Speaker 1: The public has had a long held fascination with detectives.
Speaker 1: Detective see a side of life the average person's never
Speaker 1: exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop.
Speaker 1: For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers.
Speaker 1: That's what I did for a living. I was a
Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,
Speaker 1: I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated.
Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories
Speaker 1: from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw
Speaker 1: and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some
Speaker 1: of the content and language might be confronting. That's because
Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.
Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two of my chat with Michael
Speaker 1: Casidis and he's good mate Marty Cornish, who both had
Speaker 1: interesting lives and are now challenging their energy in the
Speaker 1: boom role models for men whose lives are heading in
Speaker 1: the wrong direction, teaching them about lessons learnt through their
Speaker 1: own life and encourage them to be the best possible
Speaker 1: versions of themselves. Welcome back, guys, Thank you awesome. It's
Speaker 1: good to have you back glad to run off. Just
Speaker 1: to clarify, and we mentioned it in part one that
Speaker 1: you know, what you're trying to deliver here is not
Speaker 1: based on reading textbooks or academic studies. This is from
Speaker 1: life experience and that's what you're bringing bringing to the
Speaker 1: table when we're talking about helping helping people. Is that
Speaker 1: fair to say?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So basically, well, Marty unpacks the information from my mind.
Speaker 2: We'll be having some conversations and he's like, oh, guys,
Speaker 2: you're so intelligent. He goes, how do you you know?
Speaker 2: And he says, how do you know this? Or how
Speaker 2: do you know that? And I would say, well, at
Speaker 2: this point in my life, I went to Vegas and
Speaker 2: this happened, and I did this and that, and he goes, oh.
Speaker 2: He goes, look, I'm just going to put down, unpack
Speaker 2: this and put it like we're going to write some
Speaker 2: notes and then we'll take some notes. So then what
Speaker 2: we've done is we've recorded all these experience that I've
Speaker 2: had and then put them into textbook, back into my modules,
Speaker 2: training modules. So whether it be basics from A to
Speaker 2: B in boxing, or whether it be with your mindset
Speaker 2: and confidence and things associated with that and then he's
Speaker 2: just got all documented and recorded. So now you've got
Speaker 2: people all over the world who want to know what
Speaker 2: Michael cal said, this has been through and how he
Speaker 2: did what he did, and how he achieved what he did,
Speaker 2: and what mindset he adopted to achieve such things. They
Speaker 2: can do that themselves from home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And like the boxing, And I get into trouble
Speaker 1: here on thy catch killers because I lean into boxing stories.
Speaker 1: But it's amazing how there's an interelate between the criminal
Speaker 1: world that I understand and boxing. But the thing about boxing,
Speaker 1: if you strip of the way, it can be another sport,
Speaker 1: a completely different sport, a different passion of different interest.
Speaker 1: But what you get and I'm asking you because Michael,
Speaker 1: you're in the thick of it. So this is from
Speaker 1: money looking outside that boxing does teach life lessons in
Speaker 1: that you get rewarded for the effort that you put in.
Speaker 1: You can step in the ring and you can be fear.
Speaker 1: How do you overcome the fear? How do you overcome
Speaker 1: adversity when the person's on top of you? That type
Speaker 1: of thing? Would you agree with that? Why? It's a
Speaker 1: very simplistic view of it, but it does teach life lessons. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing was before we start on this
Speaker 3: journey as we did, I thought that a lot of
Speaker 3: the people would come reach out to us would be
Speaker 3: more about the boxing and the thing that I'm really loving,
Speaker 3: it's more about the mental training, the mental toughness side
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You know, we've got guys that have had a first
Speaker 3: loss and now they've lost their their confidence has gone,
Speaker 3: and they're coming to Michael going, look, I've I've lost
Speaker 3: all belief in myself. And then we've got people that
Speaker 3: aren't into boxing that just want because he was renowned
Speaker 3: for this warrior through some of these stories we can
Speaker 3: maybe touched on. So it it's more I look at
Speaker 3: it for a lens now of this these modules because
Speaker 3: it backed in a lot of sports psychology and psychology,
Speaker 3: and that's how we've structured it, and we're really building
Speaker 3: the person. Like there's Michael is going to do the
Speaker 3: boxing on another kind of course. But the main thing
Speaker 3: we're focusing on right now is the bulletproof mindset program
Speaker 3: find your Best, And I look at it through that
Speaker 3: lens of it's really applicable to a corporate, high achieving
Speaker 3: corporate person and what we've done like say for example.
Speaker 3: One of the modules is called say for example like focus.
Speaker 3: And as I've documented Michael these stories, I've just I've
Speaker 3: learned at a deeper level, one how committed he was
Speaker 3: and for example, and also to build the confidence when
Speaker 3: you went to Brooklyn. And so he's gone to Brooklyn
Speaker 3: and at the time it correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: This was the heart of some of the best lightweights
Speaker 3: in the world. So before he went and fought Graham
Speaker 3: Ole in the UK, they went into train in camp
Speaker 3: over New Year's Eve in Brooklyn, and I let Michael
Speaker 3: tell the story. But the sparring that went on and
Speaker 3: you're a you're a little bit kind of there's some
Speaker 3: big guys there.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so yeah, okay. So when you when you're
Speaker 2: walking to a gym and it's called Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn,
Speaker 2: it's one of the most famous hymns in the world.
Speaker 1: It's a tough guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like on Wednesdays is
Speaker 2: the main sparring night. There's got they get so passionate
Speaker 2: about it. They're like fighting out in the street. There's
Speaker 2: big dark dudes, big Mexican dudes, and big white guys,
Speaker 2: you know, like wow, just mix it in together, and
Speaker 2: just the whole place is roaring. They've got like eight
Speaker 2: different rings in this massive, big area. And and we'd
Speaker 2: walk in there that the skipping groups going, the speedballs gone,
Speaker 2: guys getting bashed up and beat up, and goes, come on,
Speaker 2: you want to show me something, come on, fighting on
Speaker 2: and and so we just went in there. Mate, there
Speaker 2: you going, you know, yeah, not bad. It's good to
Speaker 2: meet you. You know, as a guy called Hector over
Speaker 2: there and he's and his love to me. It's actually good.
Speaker 2: Someone told me that they run into him in and
Speaker 2: he you know, we went into this gym and it's
Speaker 2: an intimidating feeling, right yeah. So we've gone in there
Speaker 2: and we started training and we earned our respect in
Speaker 2: that gym. We earned our respect and we started we
Speaker 2: started working out. This was one guy who was a
Speaker 2: Polish guy and he emulated. He looked exactly like the
Speaker 2: guy I was fighting in Graham Mellon in England on
Speaker 2: February seventeen, two thousand and seven, when I won my
Speaker 2: first world titles. So that's the guy I was preparing
Speaker 2: to fight. And this guy was a bigger, sold more
Speaker 2: solid version of exactly like him, and he was just
Speaker 2: like knocking everyone out and the big wars and he
Speaker 2: was like the tough guy, you know, he's always marked up.
Speaker 2: And so Brennan's gone up to his after his trainer
Speaker 2: and said, hey, you think we could get like do
Speaker 2: eight rounds with your boy on next Wednesday, you know,
Speaker 2: and he goes, hmmm, We'll see how you feel after two.
Speaker 1: So I'm intimidating.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see you feel after two rounds, you know.
Speaker 2: So then, so I've just been prepping and prepping and
Speaker 2: prepping and in boxing watching it to help build with
Speaker 2: your confidence, and people will people can use this as
Speaker 2: a bit of an analogy. You need to have a kill,
Speaker 2: so you need to execute. Okay, So he was the
Speaker 2: perfect guy. He had a bad attitude, he was the
Speaker 2: perfect guy to execute the kill against. So basically, in
Speaker 2: my mind, if I was to win my world title,
Speaker 2: I had to beat this guy. I think this guy
Speaker 2: a good beat down, you know. And so so like
Speaker 2: we were really doing the hard work. We were staying
Speaker 2: this big, old, old, big old cold house at Brooklyn
Speaker 2: of six levels high and we just scored it somehow
Speaker 2: for really cheap. We're staying in Brooklyn. We were wore
Speaker 2: these stairs every day, go all the way up these stairs,
Speaker 2: through these subways, change subways, go these stairs, and we
Speaker 2: go to the train and do our work. And this
Speaker 2: is mediculous, meticulous, meticulous. And I had this one gold
Speaker 2: mindset in mind that I had to beat this guy.
Speaker 2: So then that meant that I could win the world
Speaker 2: title because it was exactly like the guy was fighting.
Speaker 2: I knew how to do that, and I sparred this
Speaker 2: guy and I wrecked him after one round. You I
Speaker 2: wrecked him, and the whole gym just stopped and they
Speaker 2: looked they loved us.
Speaker 1: Were well to get respect in that environment. Now, yeah,
Speaker 1: you reference the Rocky movie, so I think when Apollo
Speaker 1: crewed takes him back to Yeah, the.
Speaker 2: Wrecked him and built him from ushold at hemate and
Speaker 2: he's I'm telling you like that. The like to this
Speaker 2: very day is like, what is it now? Twenty four
Speaker 2: years later, the twenty twenties, I was still getting like
Speaker 2: the less than that. So fifteen years ago, but I
Speaker 2: was still getting messages from people over there who were
Speaker 2: there there and then you know, and yeah, Bruce Silverglade
Speaker 2: is the name of the owner right, hopefully still alive
Speaker 2: from Gleason's gym. But yeah, that's like one of them stories.
Speaker 1: That Okay, so those stories, it's hard to match stories
Speaker 1: like that that is cutting edge, Bravardo walking in there,
Speaker 1: like the intimidation. Yeah, and these people it's a hurting business.
Speaker 1: So I think the simplicity of boxing, that's what that's
Speaker 1: what I like about it. But we know what the
Speaker 1: aim is, You're going to get over the top of
Speaker 1: this person. So that's where I think life lessons really
Speaker 1: come into it. Would you agree with that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, see with the lesson that Michael was talking
Speaker 3: about there. So one of the questions, well, how can
Speaker 3: I be more confident? And even in psychology they have
Speaker 3: a thing called exposure therapy where we've got to expose
Speaker 3: ourselves to the thing that we're afraid of to build
Speaker 3: the confidence. And what the lesson is there, It's like Michael,
Speaker 3: and that's how we build credibility. So when he came
Speaker 3: into the Old Fight after he had so much faith
Speaker 3: in himself because he had the runs on the board
Speaker 3: from that done the work exactly, so there's no if
Speaker 3: he would have gone straight to Earl, he probably still
Speaker 3: would have won. I'm not ever doubting that, But do
Speaker 3: you agree that that in that you're like, I've already
Speaker 3: fucked up, old mate in Brooklyn. I'm ready to roll.
Speaker 1: You've done it every everything you can. I think the
Speaker 1: nerves and it doesn't have to be boxing. It can
Speaker 1: be anything. You're preparing for an exam, you're preparing for
Speaker 1: a podcast, exactly, preparing to give evidence at court. That
Speaker 1: was a nerve run. Yeah yeah, you guys asked me
Speaker 1: in my nervous before the podcast. Yeah, yeah, I get
Speaker 1: nervous before the podcast because I care about the podcast.
Speaker 2: That's good, but it's good.
Speaker 1: Where I feel comfortable and now I've done the prep
Speaker 1: I'm ready. And that's what you got with that experience,
Speaker 1: that you've done the preparation.
Speaker 2: And I've got to say, I've got to say that's
Speaker 2: where boxing is so much like life, because there was
Speaker 2: no worse feeling when you're walking out to that ring
Speaker 2: in front of millions of people all over the world,
Speaker 2: views all over the world, and the tens of thousands
Speaker 2: that are in attendance. You're walking out there and you
Speaker 2: didn't prepare properly and you're walking out there. So it's
Speaker 2: not just like a it's just like a nervous energy.
Speaker 2: It's like a fucking worried energy. Yeah, you know you
Speaker 2: haven't done it right, but so you look at it.
Speaker 2: That look at the flip side of that. Okay. So
Speaker 2: when I went to fight Graham Mel, I was a
Speaker 2: little bit nervous, Yeah, but I just wanted to fucking
Speaker 2: show them. I just wanted to show the world what
Speaker 2: I was able to accomplish. And I was at that
Speaker 2: stage I was like, you know, I wanted I want
Speaker 2: to show I want to show him as confident as
Speaker 2: and that's what I walked into that ring with. And
Speaker 2: that fight got the fight of the decade, Fight of
Speaker 2: the year in the UK, and the second round or
Speaker 2: fourth round got the round of the decade. Check it
Speaker 2: out first.
Speaker 1: That's that's something to be proud of him in such
Speaker 1: a competitive, competitive world. But it is a good lesson
Speaker 1: in life that if you if you're prepare for something,
Speaker 1: put the effort in and the rewards will will follow.
Speaker 1: Exactly as the boxing World champion we had mentioned before,
Speaker 1: we had Matt mincham On who won a gold medal
Speaker 1: in the Olympics diving, and he said it took him
Speaker 1: a while to realize that that was he was fighting
Speaker 1: his own demons. I think I can talk about that.
Speaker 1: He's he said it on the podcast. He was fighting
Speaker 1: his own demons and he was looking for validation by
Speaker 1: achieving the gold medal, and he got the gold medal.
Speaker 1: So there, I've just proved myself. But then down the track,
Speaker 1: because he went through some dark time. So down the
Speaker 1: track he realized that doesn't define me as a person.
Speaker 1: Now at the stage, Michael, where you look at that. Okay,
Speaker 1: that was what I achieved in in the boxing world.
Speaker 1: But there's more important things in life than that too.
Speaker 2: And now, yeah, like having purpose, you know, you know,
Speaker 2: the more important things to me are the legacy that
Speaker 2: I'm going to leave behind, you know, and like like
Speaker 2: I know my kids will be watching this one day.
Speaker 2: You know, who's their dad, you know, and like the
Speaker 2: kids and who who in this world? Who we leave
Speaker 2: behind is all that we have left, you know, so
Speaker 2: you know, having that good example and being able to
Speaker 2: help others and pass on you know, like whenever you're
Speaker 2: talking about anyone that you know from the past, they
Speaker 2: would have done anything for me. You know, you look
Speaker 2: about the people that were great to you even and
Speaker 2: you even like, oh he was great, he went out
Speaker 2: of his way, he did this for me. And these
Speaker 2: are things that are starting to come back to me,
Speaker 2: like I've had had some people that have done some
Speaker 2: great things for me and and you know, and I
Speaker 2: want to be that person for someone else. You know,
Speaker 2: even if even if it's via online, it doesn't matter
Speaker 2: least least it's there. You know, it's there, something for
Speaker 2: people to reach out to and be remembered as that guy.
Speaker 1: There is something that you get from life, isn't it
Speaker 1: put in in? And you know, you could call it
Speaker 1: random acts of kindness, just helping people, being a good person.
Speaker 1: It does validate you, make him feel better about yourself,
Speaker 1: Like it's not you're making the effort to help someone else,
Speaker 1: but it does help you in help you in life, Marty,
Speaker 1: just with with your situation when you had the business
Speaker 1: and then you thought, I'm not I'm ticking these boxes,
Speaker 1: but I'm becoming And what wasn't your words? I'll say it,
Speaker 1: correct me if I'm wrong, But you were coming a
Speaker 1: bit of a dickhead and the flip what what steps
Speaker 1: did you do to adjust a little direction your life
Speaker 1: was going in? Well?
Speaker 3: I was humbled you know, and it really comes back
Speaker 3: to I believe you said Matthew the Olympian, it's seeking
Speaker 3: validation from external things to make ourselves. And that's what
Speaker 3: I was doing, was is seeking validation from external things
Speaker 3: to go, Look, I'm not this guy from Housing Commission anymore.
Speaker 3: I've made it. And you know, now, that's like you
Speaker 3: seek validation, you know, as Nick Saban, one of the
Speaker 3: best college football coaches there is, says, you know, focus
Speaker 3: on the process, not the outcome, on what it takes
Speaker 3: to be successful. So to validate yourself with the work
Speaker 3: and the man you're becoming in the process, that's where
Speaker 3: the confidence comes from. And it's even like, you know,
Speaker 3: when you when you put the validation on external things,
Speaker 3: you're you're losing all the control and power, you know,
Speaker 3: because there's a lot of things out there. There's only
Speaker 3: really three things we can control.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're quite right, and there's these things that are
Speaker 1: out of you control. You might aim for this and miss,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't mean that you haven't put in the
Speaker 1: best effort.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, so we can only control. So
Speaker 3: if I'm controlling you know, how I'm showing up every day,
Speaker 3: my habits, what I'm working towards am I being a
Speaker 3: good person for myself. As Michael's made some great points
Speaker 3: on then I'm because if I'm taking care of me,
Speaker 3: then I'm great for my family. And then if I'm
Speaker 3: great for my family, then I can be a productive
Speaker 3: member for the community. And to me, that's what it's about,
Speaker 3: healing ourselves first and then giving that paying that forward
Speaker 3: to help the next man. And that's whenever I talk
Speaker 3: about my life or being sober. And I have nothing
Speaker 3: against people in one of a couple of beers.
Speaker 2: Ok.
Speaker 3: I love a beer, you know, I'm just not drinking today.
Speaker 3: And at the moment, I'm speaking for the guy that's
Speaker 3: self medicating right now that fucking knows that he wants
Speaker 3: to quit. And that's who I'm speaking to. And because
Speaker 3: once once we overcome that, you know, that's that's when
Speaker 3: life can start, I believe.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's get into what Yeah. I think
Speaker 1: there's been dozens of movies made about it. But the
Speaker 1: world boxing champion going in the prison, Yeah, talk us
Speaker 1: through that, because people, so you walk in, you walk
Speaker 1: in the people know who you are. Talkers.
Speaker 2: You know about that, you've gone into prison before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for Summer's social experiment.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's funny that you say this because I'm on
Speaker 2: the way here. We're in an uber and I said, look,
Speaker 2: I'm about to go see Gary Jubil and I catch
Speaker 2: killers and and she goes, oh, what, You've got a
Speaker 2: story to tell her? So if you don't made me
Speaker 2: ask you, can you tell me your stories that I will?
Speaker 2: Like I was a boxer, she jumped to a trader. Oh,
Speaker 2: you know how God's drugs, saxon, drugs, sex and jail. Well, actually, yes, exactly,
Speaker 2: that's just.
Speaker 3: Exactly that that order.
Speaker 2: Yeah, lots of sex, that's the drugs and jail. You go, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: So like when you walk into when you're walking to jail,
Speaker 2: and then everyone's going Meggie, yeah, I love her, and
Speaker 2: everyone knows you. You know, you've been walking on the
Speaker 2: wrong side the fence for too long, you know. And
Speaker 2: but that.
Speaker 1: You could get caught up in the same stuff you're
Speaker 1: caught up when you're the adulation and everything that was
Speaker 1: going on when you were fighting for world titles. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in prison, because they would give you respect because you're
Speaker 1: a tough guy and you've come in the prison, so
Speaker 1: you would have had to check yourself because you could
Speaker 1: have just fallen into that you become the man in there.
Speaker 2: Well, important, it's important to remain humble and and that's
Speaker 2: something that like I kept on board, like just always
Speaker 2: just show respect to people, and like just be aware,
Speaker 2: like be aware that like there's there is that trauma,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of problems with addictions, people that off
Speaker 2: the faces completely in there. And and but just be
Speaker 2: aware of what's going on around you. And that's a
Speaker 2: big part of it. Has just been Yeah, you've been
Speaker 2: awake to what's going on. And you know, then as
Speaker 2: you get to spend time with these people to learn
Speaker 2: a lot about them. And look, there are some really
Speaker 2: great people in there. And and because I've been through it,
Speaker 2: I've been through can relate to a lot of them.
Speaker 2: And it's not until you actually, you know, suffer a
Speaker 2: conviction or something that you actually think, oh yeah, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe you can see things a bit differently. And I
Speaker 2: don't judge everybody, there's no need to judge. And but
Speaker 2: you know that a lot of these people just have
Speaker 2: no direction. There's a lot of pain, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of hurt. And the biggest thing I learned is that
Speaker 2: you know, you know, Jarl Institutions and death is order
Speaker 2: to wait those in addiction. And whilst I was in there,
Speaker 2: I learned that, you know, I was in there, I
Speaker 2: was running a narcotics anonymous program in there, you know,
Speaker 2: I found narcotics anonymous and you know that helped me.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of things in life, and I thought, well,
Speaker 2: if I'm going to keep on going the way I
Speaker 2: was going, that's the only thing that anyone anyone going
Speaker 2: on that pathway, that's all that can look forward to.
Speaker 2: Jarles Institutions and Death.
Speaker 1: When you go in, were you targeted because of your reputations?
Speaker 1: Anyone wanted to score their reputation by taking you out?
Speaker 1: How did you find it?
Speaker 2: Not really, because like I was always very polite and
Speaker 2: humble to people.
Speaker 1: So you didn't go there with an attitude.
Speaker 2: Nah, not at all, not at all. And you know
Speaker 2: I could understand where people were coming from. Look, people
Speaker 2: weren't really in yeah, people people look got understand people
Speaker 2: at the last point of their lives when they're in there,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know it's you know, sometimes if
Speaker 2: it's it's someone when someone's really angry and he may
Speaker 2: get out of my road, my road or something like that,
Speaker 2: and so you know, I would say, look, look, I
Speaker 2: can understand that you're feeling angry right now. I was.
Speaker 2: I'm only just trying to get through so I can
Speaker 2: give them some Yeah, the moment that I identified the
Speaker 2: emotion that they were feeling, that they've actually they've taken
Speaker 2: it back, and then you talk to them calmly. I don't.
Speaker 2: I never filled the fire with fire, so sometimes I
Speaker 2: could see someone starting to have a bit of a
Speaker 2: go at me. I never feeled that fire. I just
Speaker 2: let it go. I just let it go, and then
Speaker 2: let my ego go as well, because I don't.
Speaker 1: See that that's that's an important thing, because your ego
Speaker 1: part of it would be well, fuck you, I could
Speaker 1: take you, but you had to check that.
Speaker 2: And I actually did have a guy that actually because
Speaker 2: look I had fourteen cracks in down and had fourteen
Speaker 2: wins all behind door. So I never got put in
Speaker 2: the lockdown because of it. But there were things that
Speaker 2: had to happen, like it was just like in a
Speaker 2: unit with someone and they bring it on. It's just
Speaker 2: like an attitude adjustment. But basically I did have a
Speaker 2: guy right in front of everyone else said, you want
Speaker 2: to put me on show in front of people like this,
Speaker 2: But it was my ego that started to begin with,
Speaker 2: because he kept on saying, hey, they in front of everybody. Hey,
Speaker 2: you're world champion. So if I bet you, does that
Speaker 2: mean I get to get you well titled belt? And
Speaker 2: I just stood on it for twenty four hours. The
Speaker 2: next day I spoke the next day, I was I
Speaker 2: was just sitting there playing cards, and I said, mate,
Speaker 2: it takes me a minute to beat you. Then i'd
Speaker 2: be hanging out of here, you know. I said that
Speaker 2: in front of everyone, and he goes, oh, so he
Speaker 2: got put on show, and his ego was hurt. We
Speaker 2: go really really, I'd let it out of the bag,
Speaker 2: you know. And he says, all right, yo, I'll come
Speaker 2: and have a crack. Now, let's go. Now, Yo, we'll
Speaker 2: go on the Brasco.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, I look, mate, I said, look,
Speaker 2: I want to go make it back down the reds.
Speaker 2: I'm already in the bad boy books. I said, go
Speaker 2: on the Brasca than five minutes to start without me.
Speaker 2: I gave me a life, So there you go. You know,
Speaker 2: I already have him a bit, I said. I said,
Speaker 2: my piece and I should have let it go. But
Speaker 2: you know, but like that wouldn't even have got to
Speaker 2: that if I just let it go, like let him
Speaker 2: have his little say that he wants to do and
Speaker 2: let it go. Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting because I wondered because I know in
Speaker 1: that environment people will want to take you on and
Speaker 1: build a reputation. Exactly how that like spelled it out there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you had to you had to adjust
Speaker 1: your eye to get through that. That's all. It is
Speaker 1: what you had to do when you needed to.
Speaker 2: But yeah, as a young guy, as a young guy,
Speaker 2: you know, like I've first got in trouble with the
Speaker 2: law many years ago. You know, I hit someone, you
Speaker 2: know I could charge with the Sultan plan and got good.
Speaker 2: I had to do eight months jail. And the first
Speaker 2: guy that I fought and now I absolutely wrecked him.
Speaker 2: You know, it was one hundred and ten kilos. He
Speaker 2: was in there for killing a copper and he was
Speaker 2: told to make an example and look at this kid
Speaker 2: out that's a little kid that I wasn't a champion
Speaker 2: there and then that, and he wanted to take my
Speaker 2: gloves off me and I said no, I said, look
Speaker 2: you can use my gloves, but you can't have. And
Speaker 2: I to know, I'm saying, their mind now chin's and
Speaker 2: he's come at me and I've knocked him out first
Speaker 2: hit and then but I've had to knock him out
Speaker 2: five times. He kept coming at me and coming at me.
Speaker 2: He's so big, he's like one hundred and ten. At
Speaker 2: least you waited, I would have been sixty five killows.
Speaker 2: And I'm up against the wall and I've got mym friends,
Speaker 2: went hook hook in. His ear was hanging by by
Speaker 2: a thread and he's just laying in a pool of blood.
Speaker 2: And you've got guys to this very day saying that's
Speaker 2: the most violent fight they'd ever seen in jail. But
Speaker 2: that was a young ego guy, like I was a
Speaker 2: young guy. Yeah, one would have been enough, but I
Speaker 2: had an ego and I wrecked him. And look, I
Speaker 2: could have been facing more charges or anything could have happened,
Speaker 2: and this was unnecessary. But that kept me away from
Speaker 2: any more more drama. You know, going in there a
Speaker 2: bit older. You know, guy's got a bit of an
Speaker 2: attitude adjustment here and there, Like you know, I just
Speaker 2: need to pull my punches and you know, so I
Speaker 2: just didn't go on with it or like that, just
Speaker 2: a bit of a.
Speaker 1: And that that's that's the difference from when you first
Speaker 1: went into the second time A little bit was a.
Speaker 2: Second time last time?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then tell us about you to sign the form.
Speaker 1: You're not you're not going back in here on We
Speaker 1: have had a few go back after but.
Speaker 2: Anyway, okay, I've got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I've
Speaker 2: got to tell you. Okay, So I'm sitting in there.
Speaker 2: I'm sitting this is a goodsebunt moment that I had
Speaker 2: when I was in there was a light bulb moment too.
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting in the sewing shop and I'm sowing
Speaker 2: away and the big guys sitting above me, and I'm
Speaker 2: just working away. It's just sewing, you know, making you know,
Speaker 2: the prison shorts and shirts. And he's looking at me.
Speaker 2: He's got these big guy, piercing blue eyes, big bulk
Speaker 2: of a man, right and and and he goes, how
Speaker 2: are you going in here? Son? And he had an
Speaker 2: English accent, and I said, fuck, you know, could be
Speaker 2: doing something with my life. And I you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not real happy with myself. And he goes, I know,
Speaker 2: and I looked up and I said, who are you
Speaker 2: and he goes, he goes, I'm Peter McDonald. He goes,
Speaker 2: you don't remember me doing I said, no, he goes,
Speaker 2: he goes, I met you in Vegas in two thousand
Speaker 2: and seven. I trained a young fellow by the name
Speaker 2: of Ricky Hatton.
Speaker 1: Because I said, what are you doing?
Speaker 2: And he goes, more to the point, what are you
Speaker 2: doing in sunlight? It's like you know, and and he say,
Speaker 2: he used to look after the guys in protection and
Speaker 2: he always comes through to the mainstream. And he talked
Speaker 2: to me, and then you know, he'd go and just check,
Speaker 2: come in daily and just check on me and that,
Speaker 2: and other people see me talking. And I look at
Speaker 2: that dog and I said, come talking to a Yeah,
Speaker 2: who cares whatever? Yeah, anyway, but it ain't come and
Speaker 2: he talked to me and he checked in. Then after
Speaker 2: a while I sort of built up the confidence and
Speaker 2: I sort of said, hey, mate, I said, you know,
Speaker 2: I've got to go before a judge soon. You know,
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really good if I had a
Speaker 2: reference from someone in here saying that, look I'm doing
Speaker 2: and yeah, and he said, he said, he said, leave
Speaker 2: that with me. Son. So it come back like a
Speaker 2: week later or something like that, and he had had
Speaker 2: like a big thick thing of my Wikipedia and it says,
Speaker 2: here's your reference. Son. He said, don't forget who you are.
Speaker 2: Just handed me that we can't get access to printers
Speaker 2: and get handed me the papers. And I was like,
Speaker 2: I just like goosebumps, you know. He said, don't you
Speaker 2: forget who you are.
Speaker 1: It was a wake up call, that type.
Speaker 2: Of yeah, this is your reference. Don't forget who you are.
Speaker 1: Because you could lose your way in there. So the
Speaker 1: thing that you would say to people that think, okay,
Speaker 1: well let's surprise, I'm going to pay. If I'm going
Speaker 1: to live the gangster the life soul or the bad
Speaker 1: boy life style, I'm going to end up in prison.
Speaker 1: But there's no joy in prison, is there?
Speaker 2: No, there's not. There's not like people can look, people
Speaker 2: can look as far as they want, they get deep, deep,
Speaker 2: as far as as but you know, sometimes the human
Speaker 2: mind is an amazing thing and some people have to adjust.
Speaker 2: But you don't want to be in that position where
Speaker 2: you have to adjust yourself to being able to enjoy
Speaker 2: being locked away. You know, look, these days, if you're
Speaker 2: not considered to be well behaved. You're in the you're
Speaker 2: in the blocks, and in the blocks now minimum that
Speaker 2: everyone's locked down twenty hours a day. Yeah, you get
Speaker 2: out for four hours in a small courtyard where you
Speaker 2: walk up and down. It's a shit place to be.
Speaker 2: It ain't a life for anybody, you know. It's it's yeah,
Speaker 2: you don't want to go there, you know. It's just
Speaker 2: it's a strong message.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's yeah, it's good to hear from someone
Speaker 1: that's been there and someone that people look up to
Speaker 1: and respect that that's yeah, not the place to go.
Speaker 1: Is that something that you see working with Michael and
Speaker 1: doing the stuff that you do with Michael, he can
Speaker 1: give that experience.
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I feel like it really comes
Speaker 3: back to you know, I remember being a teenager and
Speaker 3: idolizing certain things I grew up, you know, really idolizing
Speaker 3: rap music. And it's like it's who we look up to,
Speaker 3: you know, if it's really kind of changing the philosophy
Speaker 3: of you know, our role models. You know, it's like
Speaker 3: with Michael, he'll tell you look. I remember we're sitting
Speaker 3: down one time having a sausage roll, and he was
Speaker 3: telling me a little bit about some of the stories
Speaker 3: and he said, there's a lot of heard in that,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of pain, you know. I mean we
Speaker 3: really get to that, and I know, like the young
Speaker 3: teenagers and we're really looking up to you know, the
Speaker 3: hip hop and then it's like they feel that they've
Speaker 3: maybe got to go to prison to earn their stripes,
Speaker 3: you know. But then guys that have been there will
Speaker 3: tell you that it's no place, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: you don't like it's it's changing that kind of outlook
Speaker 3: that we have, and I think we need people like Michael.
Speaker 3: You know, I said, I've got people in Queensland and
Speaker 3: politicians keep talking about the problem, but no one that
Speaker 3: I see it. It's about taking action, but it's the people.
Speaker 3: There's no point for a random politician or someone to
Speaker 3: speak to a teenager because they're not going to reach them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred if they speak the I think
Speaker 1: life experience car carries a lot like people. If you're
Speaker 1: those young, reckless guys, you're not going to be listening
Speaker 1: to someone you don't respect, and you've probably you're respecting
Speaker 1: the wrong people. But if you respect someone that says no,
Speaker 1: this is not the path the gap in prepping for this.
Speaker 1: There's something that you have said, Marty, and I'll just
Speaker 1: read it out and we'll discuss that. You've said that
Speaker 1: you're finding purpose, encouraging men to find their best again,
Speaker 1: healing themselves, developing new habits, finding purpose, being someone they're
Speaker 1: proud of and their families are proud of, and becoming
Speaker 1: productive members of society is at the end goal of
Speaker 1: if people come into contact and the advice between the
Speaker 1: two of you pointing someone in the right direction, is
Speaker 1: that the type of thing you're having to achieve.
Speaker 3: Essentially, we'll get somebody that comes to us at the
Speaker 3: moment and they want to go to that next level
Speaker 3: in their life, and they identify the roadblocks might be drinking,
Speaker 3: it might be self belief. So our whole mission and
Speaker 3: like I say to the clients we work with, we
Speaker 3: don't succeed unless you succeed. And I've learned that what
Speaker 3: gives me purpose is to help that person because I
Speaker 3: know what it was like being in that and when
Speaker 3: I didn't have a vision for my life and I'd
Speaker 3: lost faith because I thought things were never going to
Speaker 3: get better. Man, that's when you know suicide, ideation and
Speaker 3: things like that happens because we don't have that reason
Speaker 3: to move forward. And that's what it's about. I feel
Speaker 3: like giving young men, you know, a vision of what
Speaker 3: they can potentially if they really went for it, if
Speaker 3: they cut away to the alcohol, they cut got around
Speaker 3: the right people who actually want the best for them.
Speaker 3: And like I said to you Gary another time of camera,
Speaker 3: like some people that have broken a law with some
Speaker 3: very sophisticated supply chains, I'm as somebody that does a
Speaker 3: lot of supply chain and business, I'm like, that's fucking intelligent.
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even like you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 3: they're fucking smart.
Speaker 1: They put their energy towards something yeah, decent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't reck to society.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you could do that to a legit, Like
Speaker 3: they're valuable skill sets, and it's it's just not taking
Speaker 3: that quick buck. It's that coming back to the process
Speaker 3: and it's changing the way of what Like when I
Speaker 3: was being a dickhead or a winker, it's because I
Speaker 3: was looking up to the whim and the cars.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought was cool and examples of people
Speaker 1: and without identifying them, but just sort of circumstances where
Speaker 1: someone's made an adjustment to their life and it's pointed
Speaker 1: them in the right direction. Can you give them the example.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a gentleman who've been speaking to on Instagram.
Speaker 3: He messaged out and this is what I find really
Speaker 3: fulfilling because he's smoking weed a little bit. You know,
Speaker 3: he's drinking here and there on every couple of days.
Speaker 3: And you know, he used to be quite a handy
Speaker 3: amateur fighter, but a life turned thirty three, stopped believing
Speaker 3: in himself and just let these bad habits. And I
Speaker 3: remember speaking to him and I just said, you know,
Speaker 3: we've got a room. I said, first thing, bro, we've
Speaker 3: got to remove the vices that has got to go
Speaker 3: if you really like But the thing I do, I said,
Speaker 3: what do you actually want to go? What do you
Speaker 3: want to accomplish? And then when we work out where
Speaker 3: they want to go, and then we go, okay, well
Speaker 3: what did the rope blocker?
Speaker 2: I said? I said that I would when it comes
Speaker 2: to more boxing related stuff, I would advise mighty given
Speaker 2: an example and just asking him, just Marty said, we
Speaker 2: need to ask him what he really wants to do.
Speaker 2: Does he really want to be a boxer or do
Speaker 2: you just think that he wants to be a boxer,
Speaker 2: because if you want to be a boxer, there's a
Speaker 2: prerequisite that you have to do this maintenance program that
Speaker 2: we've got for him to do every day. He's got
Speaker 2: to get up and he's got to do that. If
Speaker 2: he doesn't do that, he doesn't really want to be
Speaker 2: a boxer. So I actually stop that question first, and
Speaker 2: if not, we can consider something else that you can
Speaker 2: get into. It's clear, but with this gentleman.
Speaker 3: And then I remember he sent a message saying that
Speaker 3: he trained, and I said to him, how do you
Speaker 3: feel right now? And he said, I'm so happy I
Speaker 3: finally did something for myself. And he goes, I feel
Speaker 3: like peace. And I said, to never forget this fear feeling.
Speaker 3: This is you're feeling alive. This is what it's about,
Speaker 3: cutting those vices and starting to feel it that confidence.
Speaker 3: You've earned it because you put in the work. And
Speaker 3: he sent a message the other day and he goes, look,
Speaker 3: I just want to thank you guys. He goes, I
Speaker 3: haven't felt this fucking alive in a long time. And
Speaker 3: that's what it's about, you know. And and that's what
Speaker 3: it's about. And that's what I and what we say
Speaker 3: is like, now you've got to obviously live stick to
Speaker 3: the code, and the code is your daily habits, and
Speaker 3: and you've got to pay it forward and help the
Speaker 3: next man. Now all women as well. We just seem
Speaker 3: to attract a lot of.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that when it comes from the right voice,
Speaker 2: I did someone that they respect, and like sometimes when
Speaker 2: I was given advice by people like I didn't really
Speaker 2: really really I'd say that I respect them, but I
Speaker 2: didn't really respect them. And then when it comes to
Speaker 2: those things like this, it's amazing and I'm like astonished
Speaker 2: that like, after what I've done, we can pass on
Speaker 2: a bit of advice and said in the right way,
Speaker 2: which Marty gets is out and and it helps him
Speaker 2: so much just to have that feedback back is really
Speaker 2: it's rewarding.
Speaker 1: Is powerful. If you can make a difference, I love
Speaker 1: it in one person's life. Yeah you're on the high.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it really really can can feel different with you, Michael.
Speaker 1: Something that has said you want to heal yourself, sharing
Speaker 1: your message to educating them power men to find their purpose,
Speaker 1: build a bulletproof mindset and accomplish their goals. So just
Speaker 1: breaking that down like healing yourself. You're on the you're
Speaker 1: on the path to healing yourself.
Speaker 2: It's I'm always healing myself. And that's it's a lifelong recovery.
Speaker 2: It doesn't just something that you decide to stop tomorrow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it just goes every day and day out. You know.
Speaker 2: The recovery program is something you need to you know,
Speaker 2: the slippery behaviors just thinks you can learn this or
Speaker 2: through narcotics anonymous or alcoholics anonymous. You know, like I
Speaker 2: find it hard to attend meetings or the time, but
Speaker 2: it is important to go in there to stay in check.
Speaker 2: You know, you have a sponsor and things like that,
Speaker 2: because look, let's just face it, it's not just a
Speaker 2: little thing. It's a fucking really big thing. Because if
Speaker 2: you start slipping, one slip is a big slip. You know,
Speaker 2: it's once too many in the thousands, never enough. So
Speaker 2: I have one drink and then he just kind of
Speaker 2: one another another another, and it becomes like who you're
Speaker 2: associating with with, you know, like Marty would never never
Speaker 2: condone me having a drink or anything that because you know,
Speaker 2: he would question like do you think you really need
Speaker 2: to do that? I'm not ready to have a drink
Speaker 2: and just leave it at that. That's That's not where
Speaker 2: I'm at in my life right now. So this is
Speaker 2: a lifelong thing that I have to keep on going
Speaker 2: on with. You know, I'm not real thick. I'm reading
Speaker 2: books and that like the Big the Narcotics Anonymous program
Speaker 2: or Aholics Anonymous. But I am proud that I can
Speaker 2: pick up the phone. I have so many people that
Speaker 2: I can talk to about things, and it's just like
Speaker 2: a It's just it's not the same with my boxing
Speaker 2: as well. It's if you want to be successful at boxing,
Speaker 2: it's not just you gotta do this program every day
Speaker 2: and do that every day. It's not like that. When
Speaker 2: you train this amount every day, it becomes a lifestyle
Speaker 2: because is the way that you live your life. So
Speaker 2: that comes to recovery as well as the way that
Speaker 2: you live your life, and that that's that's the way
Speaker 2: that I relate that too.
Speaker 1: So so what you're saying there is like every day
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a battle, but every day
Speaker 1: you've got to be conscious of keeping you making sure
Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing for yourself that's right, and
Speaker 1: sharing your message to educate and empowerment, to find their purpose. Yeap,
Speaker 1: what are you getting from that?
Speaker 2: So it's just been able to help someone. Obviously I've
Speaker 2: been able to help someone, and so in the past
Speaker 2: I couldn't even help myself, and I was trying to
Speaker 2: help some people. I'll be driving around and you know,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm a three time world boxing champ
Speaker 2: and going over someone's house to train. I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 2: are you getting paid some big bucks to do that
Speaker 2: or what? Like It's like, yeah, Like I can get
Speaker 2: a far greater widespread message out there by by passing
Speaker 2: on my analogies and my life's learnings all on recording
Speaker 2: and getting it out to many people conveniently, and then
Speaker 2: and then then getting the feedback from these people because
Speaker 2: obviously the computer literally then they had to get online,
Speaker 2: then how to use a computer. They actually take the
Speaker 2: time out to do it, and then I'll give you
Speaker 2: some feedback. And actually hearing the things, like Maty just
Speaker 2: said before, hearing those things, you know, is a big thing.
Speaker 2: It's a big win for me.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I like having my day with like little wins every day,
Speaker 2: like tiny little things. Whether it's a physical win, you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a mental win, like maybe if it's meditating
Speaker 2: for ten minutes or doing a little bit of a train,
Speaker 2: it's just like a little win, little win, and then
Speaker 2: getting something like that back is a big win.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that makes sense, and those little wins.
Speaker 1: When I left the cops, I did some stuff with
Speaker 1: a group called Swiss eight Combat Fits and they were
Speaker 1: taking like with post traumatic stress and the stuff that
Speaker 1: they come away from the army, but they were big
Speaker 1: on just doing the little things each day. Get to
Speaker 1: get a routine, get up, make your bed, get up,
Speaker 1: do this, do that.
Speaker 2: Good little things like that.
Speaker 1: And I know when I've been in low points, that's
Speaker 1: where your routine breaks down, and that's when you start
Speaker 1: to start the spiral spiral down with you. Michael, you
Speaker 1: did time for an assault, you did time for drugs.
Speaker 1: The work that you're doing now, do you feel like
Speaker 1: it's balancing the ledger for you? You must?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. As I said earlier, like gratitude and having
Speaker 2: gratitude and been thankful where I'm at, Like I'm so
Speaker 2: grateful that I've been through what I've been through in
Speaker 2: my life because I can pass on that message to
Speaker 2: someone else now like I've been through it, someone's sitting
Speaker 2: there thinking about you know, these kids with the youth
Speaker 2: crime crists are going and thinking about going this way. Well,
Speaker 2: have a look at me. I've actually lived what you've done.
Speaker 2: I've actually gone through what you've experienced, gone through at
Speaker 2: the last of lows, and and now I'm coming out
Speaker 2: the other end, so I can tell you firsthand. You
Speaker 2: know that this is the way they've got it.
Speaker 1: So it's giving back to the society, that's right. And
Speaker 1: the bit the comment of building a bulletproof mindset, We've
Speaker 1: talked on that a bit. Life is going to do
Speaker 1: you some shitty carts. So if anyone, yeah, I worry
Speaker 1: about society these days where everyone gets reward for just
Speaker 1: for turning up and all that, is it really preparing
Speaker 1: people for life because life is going to slap you down.
Speaker 1: I know that from a homicide to teke this point
Speaker 1: of view, I've seen people's lives just change dramatically in
Speaker 1: a split second, just randomly. Life. You've got to be bulletproof,
Speaker 1: haven't you. What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you manifest your own creation, so you plant
Speaker 2: the seeds in your mind, you make what you want
Speaker 2: happen to you. And some people might say they get
Speaker 2: dealt with like a wild card, and yeah, like you said,
Speaker 2: and things change in a split second. But with that
Speaker 2: comes resilience. You have to have resilience to overcome that,
Speaker 2: and then you have to you have to maintain that
Speaker 2: role that you're on and just just keep on manifesting
Speaker 2: your creation because one thing might happen and then people
Speaker 2: might go fucking throw it for the hands up there,
Speaker 2: and things just go and get worse. You can actually
Speaker 2: use that negative. It's just that an equal, powerful positive
Speaker 2: you can spin around, which is exactly what I'm doing
Speaker 2: right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, you've been tested and that's made me a better person.
Speaker 1: This adversity has made me great.
Speaker 2: How great is this? This is great? Like this is
Speaker 2: a good thing, you know, like I don't want to
Speaker 2: keep happening anymore, but this is great because I can
Speaker 2: overcome this. I can again. I know again, I know again.
Speaker 1: I've heard positive people say that type of thing that
Speaker 1: when the challenge is presented to them, they think, great,
Speaker 1: this will I can step up the meet the level.
Speaker 3: But yeah, well for me, it's like the question we
Speaker 3: ask ourselves is are we living up to our full potential?
Speaker 3: And for a lot of us, the answers are kind
Speaker 3: of maybe, and and that's where we really like to
Speaker 3: plane is really you know, introducing mental training. You know,
Speaker 3: as athletes, we often work on our nutrition and our
Speaker 3: physical training, but we often don't work on our mental training.
Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing with Michael, like we've really
Speaker 3: unpacked the principles from his journey as an eliteer fleet
Speaker 3: and then apply them to life lessons in sports, psychology
Speaker 3: and psychology in general. For example, when he fought Graham
Speaker 3: l when he left Brooklyn and got to London, like,
Speaker 3: as you know, like in live business, we've always got
Speaker 3: this noise coming at us. And one thing when Graham
Speaker 3: ll that fight was the promoters were sending sex workers
Speaker 3: in Michael's hotel to swimming exactly, and then they set
Speaker 3: off the fire alarms all fucking night at three am,
Speaker 3: and they were just trying and he said, I would
Speaker 3: rather die. This is how extreme this, God, this is
Speaker 3: how extreme. Like I'm not saying this and I'm not
Speaker 3: taking the notes. I'm like, this is fucking and he goes,
Speaker 3: you know, I would rather died in the fire than
Speaker 3: not have a good, nice sleep and jeopardize any chance
Speaker 3: I was going to lose to earl And obviously for
Speaker 3: the business world or for the average person, we don't
Speaker 3: need to go sleep in a burning building to to
Speaker 3: reach our goals. But the points are is that that
Speaker 3: will obviously prioritizing your sleep. I think we can take
Speaker 3: out of that his recovery not before the world.
Speaker 2: I'm already asleep and fuck it, I've got to sleep.
Speaker 2: I got to fight the bar.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the nature of the business. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right. So what what are you doing now? Talk
Speaker 1: about what you what you're doing. What's the setup that
Speaker 1: you've got to running.
Speaker 3: So essentially we've created the Casitas Academy and then under
Speaker 3: that we've got our main pillar, which is our mental
Speaker 3: training program and that's called Find your Best. Then over
Speaker 3: there and under that we've got people that because he
Speaker 3: would go twelve rounds against the world to elite, a
Speaker 3: lot of people want to know about the conditioning, so
Speaker 3: we've got the conditioning are also he's run program as well,
Speaker 3: and he wants a fitness we've got the nutrition side
Speaker 3: of things. Obviously we're both not nutritionists, so but there
Speaker 3: are the breakdowns of that.
Speaker 2: But Garrett, it's really simple, like it it's really simple,
Speaker 2: like keep it simple. Stupid you know, like you know
Speaker 2: when you're talking to Johnny Lewis and he says the
Speaker 2: way that he says things to you, it's just so
Speaker 2: easy to understand. And and there's the saying that goes
Speaker 2: like like, stupid people make easy things look hard, but
Speaker 2: intelligent people make hard things look easy. And it's just
Speaker 2: the way that it's just it's it's not rocket science, boxing,
Speaker 2: it ain't rocket science, but it's just amazing when you
Speaker 2: taught the specifics and how to do things properly. And
Speaker 2: that's what I do. There's as as a blueprint of
Speaker 2: my life's learnings or put into document or document and
Speaker 2: recorded for other people to have for themselves so they
Speaker 2: can learn it. And and that that that's why I'm
Speaker 2: thankful with Marty. He unpacks all that information exactly how
Speaker 2: we're saying.
Speaker 1: Well, what I think you guys bring to the table
Speaker 1: is you're keeping it simple. And sometimes the most important
Speaker 1: messages are very simple. And when when you're told it,
Speaker 1: do you think, well, let makes it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: That, but Johnny's very good at that. He can keep
Speaker 1: your right hand up. It's not that you've got to
Speaker 1: do this and do that.
Speaker 2: It's just occasionally yeah, yeah, yes, and when it has
Speaker 2: to do it so many times.
Speaker 1: Slowly, slowly. Yeah, But that's that's right because the message
Speaker 1: in some times, Yeah, when you I've been through it,
Speaker 1: you all probably have been Okay, I'm really going to
Speaker 1: dive deep into this, but it's too complicated to there's
Speaker 1: too many parts. The lessons I learned are the simple
Speaker 1: lessons that explained in a simple, simple way, and it
Speaker 1: just sort of hits. It hits you and go, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: I get it. As you said, keep your right hand up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and that one time when he goes to
Speaker 2: hit you and you catch it, Ah, musta got you,
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, But just on that.
Speaker 3: We launched a program in September basically any student that
Speaker 3: comes on board or that comes work with us, we're
Speaker 3: actually so they're going to be getting an onboarding call
Speaker 3: with myself and we're going to be getting really really
Speaker 3: clear in getting themselves a success. Then Michael is going
Speaker 3: to be doing live We're going to do they come
Speaker 3: into a private community. It's new software that we're using.
Speaker 3: We don't own the software, and it's it's like a
Speaker 3: Facebook but for learning, and Michael is going to be
Speaker 3: very hands on and this isn't hey, you just go
Speaker 3: watch these videos. We're doing it with them, and we're
Speaker 3: holding that there's going to be accountability and we really
Speaker 3: work out where these men want to go and they're
Speaker 3: going to have access to an Olympian and two times
Speaker 3: world champion all three. And then with my experience as
Speaker 3: an ultramaruth on runner, served in the Army and an
Speaker 3: advocate for personal development for the last twelve years, because
Speaker 3: I really feel the real value is actually getting access
Speaker 3: to Michael and we can talk about when people go
Speaker 3: with Michael, what was your mindset like when you walked
Speaker 3: into Brooklyn, Like what were you thinking with your self talk?
Speaker 3: And that's where we really want to but it's in
Speaker 3: a really organized modules and as I said, we've really
Speaker 3: worked out based on the sports psychology and.
Speaker 2: The accountability is good with Marty because you might be
Speaker 2: step one past the coach because there's so many people
Speaker 2: that are doing this, but then Marty's there, he documents everything,
Speaker 2: so then he goes, Michael, this person didn't do that.
Speaker 2: Then I can actually go, hey, listen, you didn't do
Speaker 2: you know what you've been held accountable for You've said
Speaker 2: that you've got to do this, and I've told this
Speaker 2: and you haven't done that. Like it's part of the
Speaker 2: team work.
Speaker 1: I think it's a great thing. And that's why I
Speaker 1: I was keen to get you on when I heard
Speaker 1: about what you guys are doing, because it's you, and
Speaker 1: good luck to you started starting something something new and
Speaker 1: having to go but you're trying to make a difference.
Speaker 1: And look, there's so many people out there that have
Speaker 1: got problems and we're looking for solutions and all that.
Speaker 1: Your set up might work for everyone, but there might
Speaker 1: be the people that does work for and that might We've.
Speaker 2: Got good support and testimonials from a lot of people
Speaker 2: that have benefited from the help that I've given in
Speaker 2: the past and with Marty and like for example, like
Speaker 2: when you're run into last night, we ran into George Campbosas.
Speaker 2: We'll be going to his gym tomorrow doing a couple
Speaker 2: of real saying gooday, catching up because I've known George
Speaker 2: for years and years, and like the support is massive.
Speaker 2: Even Johnny Lewis this morning, like you know, to endorse
Speaker 2: what we're doing once you can see our program and
Speaker 2: you know, like I love being able to pick up
Speaker 2: the phone talk to Danny Grant. I love it and
Speaker 2: the support that these guys off. It's always been there
Speaker 2: and you know, I'll bounce off than guys and have
Speaker 2: to have them guys endorse what we're doing and share,
Speaker 2: share like through my Instagram and what's going on and
Speaker 2: follow it. It's been really really good to get such
Speaker 2: a big boost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you trying to help people. And yeah,
Speaker 1: we hear you guys are from Queensland and we hear
Speaker 1: in New South Wales and we've got the same problems here.
Speaker 1: But it's just been copying more attention our youth crime
Speaker 1: in Queensland. I know when I was growing up there
Speaker 1: was a Police Boys club and when I was through
Speaker 1: the police is police boys clubs and yeah, and people
Speaker 1: shy away from it, thinking why are you getting kids
Speaker 1: that are going to cause trouble on the streets teaching
Speaker 1: them to box. It's not just about boxing anymore. It's
Speaker 1: a whole range of things. It's everyone that's a community thing.
Speaker 1: But buying into buying into a community, giving kids kids purpose.
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said and the
Speaker 1: type of messaging that you guys are getting across is
Speaker 1: not dissimilar to that be the best person you can be.
Speaker 1: And for looking up to someone like you, Michael, when
Speaker 1: you got Marty here, that's looking at you like a legend.
Speaker 1: That's Michael from your childhood. But their role models, their
Speaker 1: role models, and if we can put people in pointing
Speaker 1: them in the right direction, I think it's a great
Speaker 1: way to get thanks. So where if people want to
Speaker 1: reach out to you, where do they find you?
Speaker 3: So they can come right now on to Michael or
Speaker 3: my Instagram and then they can also send us a
Speaker 3: d M and that'll probably be the best place. And
Speaker 3: we've bought we've built out our whole online portal, but
Speaker 3: in that online portal all and this is what I'm
Speaker 3: really loving because we've got guys from London, We've got
Speaker 3: all different walks of life, not just boxes as well.
Speaker 3: Just men want to build better than so because like I,
Speaker 3: when I wasn't on my purpose, I filled myself with distractions,
Speaker 3: with vices. And that's why I'm such an advocate for
Speaker 3: men finding having a purpose. It doesn't need to be business.
Speaker 3: It can be something just outside of our partners, something
Speaker 3: to get up that's going to bring at our best
Speaker 3: and in this community they're coming, they can all interact
Speaker 3: with each other, and then they're going to be able
Speaker 3: to interact with Michael. They can message him, then we
Speaker 3: can do the zoom calls, and then eventually we can
Speaker 3: even do the meetup for we're going to run like
Speaker 3: a bit of a challenge in the summer and then
Speaker 3: we're going to get like the top five people who
Speaker 3: win the challenge, they're going to fly up to Brisbane.
Speaker 3: Well that's the plan anyway, and we've got something special
Speaker 3: lined up with Michael. And so it's really about building
Speaker 3: a community as well and helping these men get to
Speaker 3: where they want to go and enjoying that process.
Speaker 1: So I hope you have success with it. Because we
Speaker 1: talk youth crime, we also talk about the horrendous rates
Speaker 1: of domestic murders where females have been victims of the males.
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a whole range of things that why
Speaker 1: that's got to stop, the toxic masculinity and all that.
Speaker 1: But I think you need to put your hand up
Speaker 1: for men too. They need a place to go where
Speaker 1: they can yeah when they need help, that helps there.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes it happens because blokes by the
Speaker 1: very nature of who we are. We're too stupid to
Speaker 1: put their hands up and say say we need help,
Speaker 1: So anything in that space is worthwhile.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like when we see this horrendous stuff that
Speaker 3: men do in the media, you know sometimes you know,
Speaker 3: and it's I'll speaking to a mate of mine, he said,
Speaker 3: we need to hold other men accountable because I do
Speaker 3: not condone like my mum is my best friend, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And I love women, and I
Speaker 3: think we need to be better men because then we're
Speaker 3: better men for our partners, for the q unity. And
Speaker 3: that's where it's really about us showing up for ourselves
Speaker 3: and then that makes us flow better into everything else,
Speaker 3: you know, not this toxic math leny. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: not really in today.
Speaker 1: I think men have got to stand up to other
Speaker 1: men too. I've had this discussions with families of victims
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and different things, and blake's being blokes.
Speaker 1: We hear the talk where women are treated disrespectfully. These
Speaker 1: blakes need to be called on it. And if someone's
Speaker 1: you know, if you think someone might be a friend,
Speaker 1: that might be a family member, that there might be
Speaker 1: some domestic violence for a man to a female. Well,
Speaker 1: it's up to us men to stand up to that
Speaker 1: man and say it's not long.
Speaker 2: Part of our mission is to empower men to speak
Speaker 2: up about the stigma surrounding mental health. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it all starts there. You know, there's some issues. So
Speaker 2: the cerner you can get under it, the dicerner you
Speaker 2: can deal with it. Yeah, before it gets out of hand.
Speaker 1: Well, you know your situation with your when you're sexually
Speaker 1: sold as a child, but also with your brother's.
Speaker 2: Death associated all linked.
Speaker 1: If you put all the work in there at that time,
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, you wouldn't be carrying so much that you're carrying.
Speaker 1: So it's about and you see that with the army.
Speaker 1: I saw it in the cops. The blokes are struggling,
Speaker 1: but they're not going to put the hand up because
Speaker 1: it feels like weakness.
Speaker 3: Because as you know, go we're talking about off camera
Speaker 3: one time, and all these things are kind of interlink
Speaker 3: with you've crime, mental health, domestic violence. It really comes
Speaker 3: down to you know, because when we're taking control of
Speaker 3: ourselves and feeling good, we've been I know, on my
Speaker 3: best version of myself when I'm not drinking, I'm not
Speaker 3: party I'm in the gym and I'm doing my morning
Speaker 3: routine and everything flows from there. And it's like the
Speaker 3: mental health crosses are like with the youth crime. It's like, well,
Speaker 3: if these guys are running the streets, why they're running
Speaker 3: the streets, what's their home life? Like you know better
Speaker 3: than anyone with that kind of stuff, Like, you know,
Speaker 3: if they're in a dysfunctional household, there's no stability, so
Speaker 3: they want to be on the streets. Maybe maybe shit's
Speaker 3: happening to him in the fucking household. We don't know
Speaker 3: what's going on there, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: It's been able to access this correct support services that
Speaker 2: are available. Some people feel like there isn't any other
Speaker 2: options and there is no one to talk to, but
Speaker 2: there are services available. And it wasn't until you get
Speaker 2: your back to the wall and you really are searched
Speaker 2: for something that you can find it, you know, but
Speaker 2: it's there is there's ways and ways for people to
Speaker 2: deal with things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, guys, Well, look, I've really enjoyed the
Speaker 1: chat and I appreciate your your honesty and talking about
Speaker 1: your your own lives and what you're trying to achieve.
Speaker 1: And I like what you're trying to achieve, and as
Speaker 1: I said, people need help and if it's the right
Speaker 1: fit for people that are finding you guys, great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so thanks for coming on. I catch skills. I really
Speaker 1: like it. And yeah, meet Johnny's lines. You up for a.
Speaker 2: Session with me tomorrow five thirty.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when the fun starts. I've got to come
Speaker 1: back next week to record a podcast.
Speaker 3: We'll do some sparring or.
Speaker 1: Let's just be kind.
Speaker 3: It's a love day today, Share the love, share, hug
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks very much and all the best
Speaker 1: for the future to both of you. I like what
Speaker 1: you're doing.
Speaker 2: Thank you well.
Speaker 1: As you know, I always enjoy talking to those boxing
Speaker 1: types and it's good to sit down with Michael Cassidas
Speaker 1: and and his good friend Marty Cornish. But more importantly
Speaker 1: about their boxing, I like what they're trying to do
Speaker 1: with their lives now and point people help men make
Speaker 1: better people of themselves. And they haven't got the academic qualifications,
Speaker 1: but they've got the life experience and I think they're
Speaker 1: a powerful team together and full credit to them what
Speaker 1: they're trying to achieve.