WEBVTT - Invincible world champion to prisoner: Michael Katsidis Pt.2 0:00:01.960 --> 0:00:04.960 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives. 0:00:05.440 --> 0:00:08.119 Detective see a side of life the average person's never 0:00:08.200 --> 0:00:11.160 exposed to. I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:14.080 For twenty five of those years, I was catching killers. 0:00:14.480 --> 0:00:16.280 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.280 --> 0:00:20.600 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.640 --> 0:00:23.200 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:26.480 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.480 --> 0:00:28.840 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:31.520 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:34.680 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.720 --> 0:00:37.720 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.200 --> 0:00:40.559 Join me now as I take you into this world. 0:00:46.000 --> 0:00:48.160 Welcome back to part two of my chat with Michael 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.480 Casidis and he's good mate Marty Cornish, who both had 0:00:51.520 --> 0:00:54.080 interesting lives and are now challenging their energy in the 0:00:54.120 --> 0:00:56.720 boom role models for men whose lives are heading in 0:00:56.720 --> 0:00:59.600 the wrong direction, teaching them about lessons learnt through their 0:00:59.640 --> 0:01:02.200 own life and encourage them to be the best possible 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:06.000 versions of themselves. Welcome back, guys, Thank you awesome. It's 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.960 good to have you back glad to run off. Just 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.560 to clarify, and we mentioned it in part one that 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:15.920 you know, what you're trying to deliver here is not 0:01:16.080 --> 0:01:19.880 based on reading textbooks or academic studies. This is from 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:22.920 life experience and that's what you're bringing bringing to the 0:01:22.959 --> 0:01:25.440 table when we're talking about helping helping people. Is that 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:26.199 fair to say? 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:32.680 Yeah? So basically, well, Marty unpacks the information from my mind. 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.240 We'll be having some conversations and he's like, oh, guys, 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:38.319 you're so intelligent. He goes, how do you you know? 0:01:38.400 --> 0:01:39.760 And he says, how do you know this? Or how 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.080 do you know that? And I would say, well, at 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:44.240 this point in my life, I went to Vegas and 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.280 this happened, and I did this and that, and he goes, oh. 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:49.360 He goes, look, I'm just going to put down, unpack 0:01:49.440 --> 0:01:51.080 this and put it like we're going to write some 0:01:51.160 --> 0:01:52.880 notes and then we'll take some notes. So then what 0:01:52.920 --> 0:01:57.160 we've done is we've recorded all these experience that I've 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.440 had and then put them into textbook, back into my modules, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.440 training modules. So whether it be basics from A to 0:02:03.480 --> 0:02:07.040 B in boxing, or whether it be with your mindset 0:02:07.560 --> 0:02:10.880 and confidence and things associated with that and then he's 0:02:10.919 --> 0:02:13.600 just got all documented and recorded. So now you've got 0:02:13.639 --> 0:02:16.679 people all over the world who want to know what 0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:18.440 Michael cal said, this has been through and how he 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:20.360 did what he did, and how he achieved what he did, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.960 and what mindset he adopted to achieve such things. They 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:25.720 can do that themselves from home. 0:02:26.000 --> 0:02:29.519 Yeah, And like the boxing, And I get into trouble 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:32.760 here on thy catch killers because I lean into boxing stories. 0:02:32.760 --> 0:02:36.800 But it's amazing how there's an interelate between the criminal 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:39.520 world that I understand and boxing. But the thing about boxing, 0:02:39.560 --> 0:02:41.680 if you strip of the way, it can be another sport, 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:44.959 a completely different sport, a different passion of different interest. 0:02:45.880 --> 0:02:48.560 But what you get and I'm asking you because Michael, 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.760 you're in the thick of it. So this is from 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:56.400 money looking outside that boxing does teach life lessons in 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:58.720 that you get rewarded for the effort that you put in. 0:02:58.919 --> 0:03:00.919 You can step in the ring and you can be fear. 0:03:00.960 --> 0:03:03.079 How do you overcome the fear? How do you overcome 0:03:03.120 --> 0:03:05.760 adversity when the person's on top of you? That type 0:03:05.760 --> 0:03:07.840 of thing? Would you agree with that? Why? It's a 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.920 very simplistic view of it, but it does teach life lessons. Yeah. 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:14.800 Well, the interesting thing was before we start on this 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.720 journey as we did, I thought that a lot of 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:21.440 the people would come reach out to us would be 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:24.520 more about the boxing and the thing that I'm really loving, 0:03:25.080 --> 0:03:30.440 it's more about the mental training, the mental toughness side 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:30.640 of it. 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:31.000 Yeah. 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:34.639 You know, we've got guys that have had a first 0:03:34.639 --> 0:03:38.480 loss and now they've lost their their confidence has gone, 0:03:39.240 --> 0:03:42.680 and they're coming to Michael going, look, I've I've lost 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:45.560 all belief in myself. And then we've got people that 0:03:45.640 --> 0:03:49.040 aren't into boxing that just want because he was renowned 0:03:49.080 --> 0:03:51.560 for this warrior through some of these stories we can 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:54.920 maybe touched on. So it it's more I look at 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:59.840 it for a lens now of this these modules because 0:03:59.840 --> 0:04:02.800 it backed in a lot of sports psychology and psychology, 0:04:02.880 --> 0:04:06.040 and that's how we've structured it, and we're really building 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:08.920 the person. Like there's Michael is going to do the 0:04:09.000 --> 0:04:11.800 boxing on another kind of course. But the main thing 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:15.800 we're focusing on right now is the bulletproof mindset program 0:04:16.240 --> 0:04:18.479 find your Best, And I look at it through that 0:04:18.640 --> 0:04:23.480 lens of it's really applicable to a corporate, high achieving 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:27.480 corporate person and what we've done like say for example. 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:31.359 One of the modules is called say for example like focus. 0:04:31.920 --> 0:04:36.360 And as I've documented Michael these stories, I've just I've 0:04:36.480 --> 0:04:40.719 learned at a deeper level, one how committed he was 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:45.920 and for example, and also to build the confidence when 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.640 you went to Brooklyn. And so he's gone to Brooklyn 0:04:49.839 --> 0:04:51.719 and at the time it correct me if I'm wrong. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.520 This was the heart of some of the best lightweights 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:57.360 in the world. So before he went and fought Graham 0:04:57.400 --> 0:05:00.400 Ole in the UK, they went into train in camp 0:05:00.440 --> 0:05:03.760 over New Year's Eve in Brooklyn, and I let Michael 0:05:03.760 --> 0:05:07.080 tell the story. But the sparring that went on and 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:09.400 you're a you're a little bit kind of there's some 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:10.440 big guys there. 0:05:10.279 --> 0:05:12.800 So yeah, so yeah, okay. So when you when you're 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.200 walking to a gym and it's called Gleason's Gym in Brooklyn, 0:05:16.279 --> 0:05:18.800 it's one of the most famous hymns in the world. 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:20.719 It's a tough guy. 0:05:21.040 --> 0:05:24.359 Yeah yeah, oh yeah, yeah. Yeah. Like on Wednesdays is 0:05:24.360 --> 0:05:26.640 the main sparring night. There's got they get so passionate 0:05:26.640 --> 0:05:28.599 about it. They're like fighting out in the street. There's 0:05:28.600 --> 0:05:32.719 big dark dudes, big Mexican dudes, and big white guys, 0:05:32.760 --> 0:05:34.919 you know, like wow, just mix it in together, and 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.080 just the whole place is roaring. They've got like eight 0:05:38.120 --> 0:05:41.680 different rings in this massive, big area. And and we'd 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:45.520 walk in there that the skipping groups going, the speedballs gone, 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:48.880 guys getting bashed up and beat up, and goes, come on, 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:51.600 you want to show me something, come on, fighting on 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:54.680 and and so we just went in there. Mate, there 0:05:54.720 --> 0:05:56.719 you going, you know, yeah, not bad. It's good to 0:05:56.720 --> 0:05:59.120 meet you. You know, as a guy called Hector over 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:01.520 there and he's and his love to me. It's actually good. 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:03.599 Someone told me that they run into him in and 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.480 he you know, we went into this gym and it's 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.960 an intimidating feeling, right yeah. So we've gone in there 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.479 and we started training and we earned our respect in 0:06:12.520 --> 0:06:15.280 that gym. We earned our respect and we started we 0:06:15.320 --> 0:06:17.200 started working out. This was one guy who was a 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:21.039 Polish guy and he emulated. He looked exactly like the 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.320 guy I was fighting in Graham Mellon in England on 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.680 February seventeen, two thousand and seven, when I won my 0:06:25.720 --> 0:06:27.680 first world titles. So that's the guy I was preparing 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:31.320 to fight. And this guy was a bigger, sold more 0:06:31.360 --> 0:06:35.039 solid version of exactly like him, and he was just 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.960 like knocking everyone out and the big wars and he 0:06:38.040 --> 0:06:40.200 was like the tough guy, you know, he's always marked up. 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:43.320 And so Brennan's gone up to his after his trainer 0:06:43.360 --> 0:06:46.320 and said, hey, you think we could get like do 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:49.240 eight rounds with your boy on next Wednesday, you know, 0:06:49.360 --> 0:06:53.159 and he goes, hmmm, We'll see how you feel after two. 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:57.240 So I'm intimidating. 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:00.480 Yeah, we'll see you feel after two rounds, you know. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:02.839 So then, so I've just been prepping and prepping and 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.120 prepping and in boxing watching it to help build with 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:08.480 your confidence, and people will people can use this as 0:07:08.480 --> 0:07:10.240 a bit of an analogy. You need to have a kill, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:13.600 so you need to execute. Okay, So he was the 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:16.280 perfect guy. He had a bad attitude, he was the 0:07:16.320 --> 0:07:19.280 perfect guy to execute the kill against. So basically, in 0:07:19.320 --> 0:07:22.320 my mind, if I was to win my world title, 0:07:22.480 --> 0:07:24.520 I had to beat this guy. I think this guy 0:07:24.560 --> 0:07:28.000 a good beat down, you know. And so so like 0:07:28.080 --> 0:07:30.720 we were really doing the hard work. We were staying 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:34.280 this big, old, old, big old cold house at Brooklyn 0:07:34.320 --> 0:07:37.400 of six levels high and we just scored it somehow 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:39.920 for really cheap. We're staying in Brooklyn. We were wore 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:42.720 these stairs every day, go all the way up these stairs, 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.480 through these subways, change subways, go these stairs, and we 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.040 go to the train and do our work. And this 0:07:47.160 --> 0:07:50.240 is mediculous, meticulous, meticulous. And I had this one gold 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:52.240 mindset in mind that I had to beat this guy. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:54.440 So then that meant that I could win the world 0:07:54.480 --> 0:07:56.520 title because it was exactly like the guy was fighting. 0:07:56.680 --> 0:07:58.720 I knew how to do that, and I sparred this 0:07:58.760 --> 0:08:02.840 guy and I wrecked him after one round. You I 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:05.400 wrecked him, and the whole gym just stopped and they 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:06.680 looked they loved us. 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.880 Were well to get respect in that environment. Now, yeah, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.920 you reference the Rocky movie, so I think when Apollo 0:08:15.040 --> 0:08:17.200 crewed takes him back to Yeah, the. 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:21.920 Wrecked him and built him from ushold at hemate and 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:25.640 he's I'm telling you like that. The like to this 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:27.600 very day is like, what is it now? Twenty four 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:29.920 years later, the twenty twenties, I was still getting like 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.920 the less than that. So fifteen years ago, but I 0:08:32.960 --> 0:08:35.960 was still getting messages from people over there who were 0:08:35.960 --> 0:08:39.400 there there and then you know, and yeah, Bruce Silverglade 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:41.960 is the name of the owner right, hopefully still alive 0:08:42.840 --> 0:08:46.080 from Gleason's gym. But yeah, that's like one of them stories. 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:49.760 That Okay, so those stories, it's hard to match stories 0:08:49.840 --> 0:08:53.319 like that that is cutting edge, Bravardo walking in there, 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.280 like the intimidation. Yeah, and these people it's a hurting business. 0:08:57.280 --> 0:09:01.520 So I think the simplicity of boxing, that's what that's 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:03.720 what I like about it. But we know what the 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.439 aim is, You're going to get over the top of 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:08.000 this person. So that's where I think life lessons really 0:09:08.000 --> 0:09:09.800 come into it. Would you agree with that? 0:09:09.880 --> 0:09:12.000 Yeah, well, see with the lesson that Michael was talking 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:14.280 about there. So one of the questions, well, how can 0:09:14.320 --> 0:09:18.080 I be more confident? And even in psychology they have 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:21.640 a thing called exposure therapy where we've got to expose 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.000 ourselves to the thing that we're afraid of to build 0:09:26.000 --> 0:09:31.480 the confidence. And what the lesson is there, It's like Michael, 0:09:31.559 --> 0:09:33.920 and that's how we build credibility. So when he came 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:37.560 into the Old Fight after he had so much faith 0:09:37.600 --> 0:09:40.120 in himself because he had the runs on the board 0:09:40.280 --> 0:09:43.920 from that done the work exactly, so there's no if 0:09:43.920 --> 0:09:46.280 he would have gone straight to Earl, he probably still 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.040 would have won. I'm not ever doubting that, But do 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:51.360 you agree that that in that you're like, I've already 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:54.680 fucked up, old mate in Brooklyn. I'm ready to roll. 0:09:55.200 --> 0:09:57.600 You've done it every everything you can. I think the 0:09:57.679 --> 0:09:59.960 nerves and it doesn't have to be boxing. It can 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.680 be anything. You're preparing for an exam, you're preparing for 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:05.600 a podcast, exactly, preparing to give evidence at court. That 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:08.040 was a nerve run. Yeah yeah, you guys asked me 0:10:08.040 --> 0:10:10.760 in my nervous before the podcast. Yeah, yeah, I get 0:10:10.800 --> 0:10:13.440 nervous before the podcast because I care about the podcast. 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:14.840 That's good, but it's good. 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:17.440 Where I feel comfortable and now I've done the prep 0:10:17.559 --> 0:10:21.000 I'm ready. And that's what you got with that experience, 0:10:21.000 --> 0:10:22.319 that you've done the preparation. 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:24.240 And I've got to say, I've got to say that's 0:10:24.240 --> 0:10:26.840 where boxing is so much like life, because there was 0:10:27.080 --> 0:10:30.640 no worse feeling when you're walking out to that ring 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.480 in front of millions of people all over the world, 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:34.600 views all over the world, and the tens of thousands 0:10:34.600 --> 0:10:36.920 that are in attendance. You're walking out there and you 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:40.400 didn't prepare properly and you're walking out there. So it's 0:10:40.440 --> 0:10:42.920 not just like a it's just like a nervous energy. 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:45.480 It's like a fucking worried energy. Yeah, you know you 0:10:45.480 --> 0:10:47.360 haven't done it right, but so you look at it. 0:10:47.360 --> 0:10:49.040 That look at the flip side of that. Okay. So 0:10:49.080 --> 0:10:50.920 when I went to fight Graham Mel, I was a 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.360 little bit nervous, Yeah, but I just wanted to fucking 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:55.360 show them. I just wanted to show the world what 0:10:55.520 --> 0:10:57.320 I was able to accomplish. And I was at that 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:00.319 stage I was like, you know, I wanted I want 0:11:00.360 --> 0:11:02.680 to show I want to show him as confident as 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:05.319 and that's what I walked into that ring with. And 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.680 that fight got the fight of the decade, Fight of 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:09.880 the year in the UK, and the second round or 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.000 fourth round got the round of the decade. Check it 0:11:12.040 --> 0:11:12.960 out first. 0:11:13.960 --> 0:11:16.320 That's that's something to be proud of him in such 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.520 a competitive, competitive world. But it is a good lesson 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:21.880 in life that if you if you're prepare for something, 0:11:21.960 --> 0:11:24.839 put the effort in and the rewards will will follow. 0:11:24.880 --> 0:11:30.520 Exactly as the boxing World champion we had mentioned before, 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:33.160 we had Matt mincham On who won a gold medal 0:11:33.240 --> 0:11:36.280 in the Olympics diving, and he said it took him 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.760 a while to realize that that was he was fighting 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:42.360 his own demons. I think I can talk about that. 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.680 He's he said it on the podcast. He was fighting 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.720 his own demons and he was looking for validation by 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.760 achieving the gold medal, and he got the gold medal. 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:54.079 So there, I've just proved myself. But then down the track, 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:56.160 because he went through some dark time. So down the 0:11:56.200 --> 0:11:59.120 track he realized that doesn't define me as a person. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.440 Now at the stage, Michael, where you look at that. Okay, 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.160 that was what I achieved in in the boxing world. 0:12:06.160 --> 0:12:08.520 But there's more important things in life than that too. 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:14.040 And now, yeah, like having purpose, you know, you know, 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.120 the more important things to me are the legacy that 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:19.840 I'm going to leave behind, you know, and like like 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:21.880 I know my kids will be watching this one day. 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:24.520 You know, who's their dad, you know, and like the 0:12:25.040 --> 0:12:28.000 kids and who who in this world? Who we leave 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:31.640 behind is all that we have left, you know, so 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.160 you know, having that good example and being able to 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.719 help others and pass on you know, like whenever you're 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:38.400 talking about anyone that you know from the past, they 0:12:38.440 --> 0:12:40.719 would have done anything for me. You know, you look 0:12:40.760 --> 0:12:42.360 about the people that were great to you even and 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:44.480 you even like, oh he was great, he went out 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.200 of his way, he did this for me. And these 0:12:46.200 --> 0:12:48.160 are things that are starting to come back to me, 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.320 like I've had had some people that have done some 0:12:50.360 --> 0:12:52.640 great things for me and and you know, and I 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.000 want to be that person for someone else. You know, 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.920 even if even if it's via online, it doesn't matter 0:12:58.040 --> 0:13:00.720 least least it's there. You know, it's there, something for 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:03.200 people to reach out to and be remembered as that guy. 0:13:03.720 --> 0:13:06.240 There is something that you get from life, isn't it 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:07.920 put in in? And you know, you could call it 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.120 random acts of kindness, just helping people, being a good person. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:13.520 It does validate you, make him feel better about yourself, 0:13:13.600 --> 0:13:16.360 Like it's not you're making the effort to help someone else, 0:13:16.360 --> 0:13:19.880 but it does help you in help you in life, Marty, 0:13:20.040 --> 0:13:24.400 just with with your situation when you had the business 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:28.720 and then you thought, I'm not I'm ticking these boxes, 0:13:28.760 --> 0:13:32.000 but I'm becoming And what wasn't your words? I'll say it, 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:33.679 correct me if I'm wrong, But you were coming a 0:13:33.679 --> 0:13:40.079 bit of a dickhead and the flip what what steps 0:13:40.080 --> 0:13:42.960 did you do to adjust a little direction your life 0:13:43.000 --> 0:13:43.840 was going in? Well? 0:13:44.200 --> 0:13:46.760 I was humbled you know, and it really comes back 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:51.239 to I believe you said Matthew the Olympian, it's seeking 0:13:51.440 --> 0:13:57.400 validation from external things to make ourselves. And that's what 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:00.600 I was doing, was is seeking validation from external things 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.439 to go, Look, I'm not this guy from Housing Commission anymore. 0:14:03.520 --> 0:14:08.040 I've made it. And you know, now, that's like you 0:14:08.400 --> 0:14:10.880 seek validation, you know, as Nick Saban, one of the 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.040 best college football coaches there is, says, you know, focus 0:14:15.120 --> 0:14:17.520 on the process, not the outcome, on what it takes 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:20.880 to be successful. So to validate yourself with the work 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.520 and the man you're becoming in the process, that's where 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:28.080 the confidence comes from. And it's even like, you know, 0:14:28.160 --> 0:14:31.160 when you when you put the validation on external things, 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:34.160 you're you're losing all the control and power, you know, 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.400 because there's a lot of things out there. There's only 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:37.680 really three things we can control. 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:40.360 Yeah, you're quite right, and there's these things that are 0:14:40.360 --> 0:14:43.440 out of you control. You might aim for this and miss, 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:45.960 but it doesn't mean that you haven't put in the 0:14:45.960 --> 0:14:46.520 best effort. 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.000 Yeah, And you know, so we can only control. So 0:14:50.080 --> 0:14:53.040 if I'm controlling you know, how I'm showing up every day, 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:55.680 my habits, what I'm working towards am I being a 0:14:55.720 --> 0:14:58.920 good person for myself. As Michael's made some great points 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:01.680 on then I'm because if I'm taking care of me, 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.520 then I'm great for my family. And then if I'm 0:15:04.520 --> 0:15:06.400 great for my family, then I can be a productive 0:15:06.440 --> 0:15:09.920 member for the community. And to me, that's what it's about, 0:15:10.240 --> 0:15:15.320 healing ourselves first and then giving that paying that forward 0:15:15.360 --> 0:15:17.360 to help the next man. And that's whenever I talk 0:15:17.400 --> 0:15:21.320 about my life or being sober. And I have nothing 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:22.960 against people in one of a couple of beers. 0:15:22.960 --> 0:15:23.080 Ok. 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:26.400 I love a beer, you know, I'm just not drinking today. 0:15:26.480 --> 0:15:29.640 And at the moment, I'm speaking for the guy that's 0:15:29.640 --> 0:15:33.240 self medicating right now that fucking knows that he wants 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:37.520 to quit. And that's who I'm speaking to. And because 0:15:37.560 --> 0:15:41.720 once once we overcome that, you know, that's that's when 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:43.760 life can start, I believe. 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:48.040 Okay, all right, let's get into what Yeah. I think 0:15:48.080 --> 0:15:50.360 there's been dozens of movies made about it. But the 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:55.280 world boxing champion going in the prison, Yeah, talk us 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.800 through that, because people, so you walk in, you walk 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:00.440 in the people know who you are. Talkers. 0:16:01.440 --> 0:16:04.760 You know about that, you've gone into prison before. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:06.400 --> 0:16:07.800 for Summer's social experiment. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:08.479 Yeah. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:10.960 Yeah, it's funny that you say this because I'm on 0:16:11.040 --> 0:16:13.480 the way here. We're in an uber and I said, look, 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:15.840 I'm about to go see Gary Jubil and I catch 0:16:15.920 --> 0:16:20.440 killers and and she goes, oh, what, You've got a 0:16:20.440 --> 0:16:22.520 story to tell her? So if you don't made me 0:16:22.560 --> 0:16:25.040 ask you, can you tell me your stories that I will? 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:28.440 Like I was a boxer, she jumped to a trader. Oh, 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:34.680 you know how God's drugs, saxon, drugs, sex and jail. Well, actually, yes, exactly, 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:35.200 that's just. 0:16:35.640 --> 0:16:38.600 Exactly that that order. 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:48.560 Yeah, lots of sex, that's the drugs and jail. You go, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:16:48.640 --> 0:16:53.120 So like when you walk into when you're walking to jail, 0:16:53.480 --> 0:16:56.480 and then everyone's going Meggie, yeah, I love her, and 0:16:56.680 --> 0:16:58.360 everyone knows you. You know, you've been walking on the 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.000 wrong side the fence for too long, you know. And 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:02.600 but that. 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:05.119 You could get caught up in the same stuff you're 0:17:05.160 --> 0:17:07.919 caught up when you're the adulation and everything that was 0:17:07.960 --> 0:17:11.000 going on when you were fighting for world titles. Yeah, 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.600 in prison, because they would give you respect because you're 0:17:13.600 --> 0:17:15.560 a tough guy and you've come in the prison, so 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.040 you would have had to check yourself because you could 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.480 have just fallen into that you become the man in there. 0:17:20.560 --> 0:17:24.760 Well, important, it's important to remain humble and and that's 0:17:24.880 --> 0:17:27.520 something that like I kept on board, like just always 0:17:27.880 --> 0:17:30.399 just show respect to people, and like just be aware, 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:33.359 like be aware that like there's there is that trauma, 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:35.680 there's a lot of problems with addictions, people that off 0:17:35.720 --> 0:17:40.159 the faces completely in there. And and but just be 0:17:40.320 --> 0:17:45.399 aware of what's going on around you. And that's a 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:48.440 big part of it. Has just been Yeah, you've been 0:17:48.480 --> 0:17:50.920 awake to what's going on. And you know, then as 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.800 you get to spend time with these people to learn 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:55.080 a lot about them. And look, there are some really 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:59.080 great people in there. And and because I've been through it, 0:17:59.080 --> 0:18:01.800 I've been through can relate to a lot of them. 0:18:01.960 --> 0:18:04.480 And it's not until you actually, you know, suffer a 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.800 conviction or something that you actually think, oh yeah, right, yeah, 0:18:06.920 --> 0:18:09.000 maybe you can see things a bit differently. And I 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:13.199 don't judge everybody, there's no need to judge. And but 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:14.840 you know that a lot of these people just have 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:17.000 no direction. There's a lot of pain, there's a lot 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.320 of hurt. And the biggest thing I learned is that 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.120 you know, you know, Jarl Institutions and death is order 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.639 to wait those in addiction. And whilst I was in there, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:27.119 I learned that, you know, I was in there, I 0:18:27.160 --> 0:18:30.480 was running a narcotics anonymous program in there, you know, 0:18:30.640 --> 0:18:33.840 I found narcotics anonymous and you know that helped me. 0:18:33.920 --> 0:18:36.119 There's a lot of things in life, and I thought, well, 0:18:36.160 --> 0:18:37.840 if I'm going to keep on going the way I 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:40.840 was going, that's the only thing that anyone anyone going 0:18:40.880 --> 0:18:42.840 on that pathway, that's all that can look forward to. 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:44.440 Jarles Institutions and Death. 0:18:46.720 --> 0:18:49.560 When you go in, were you targeted because of your reputations? 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:52.680 Anyone wanted to score their reputation by taking you out? 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:54.639 How did you find it? 0:18:54.800 --> 0:18:58.000 Not really, because like I was always very polite and 0:18:58.040 --> 0:18:59.320 humble to people. 0:18:59.400 --> 0:19:01.000 So you didn't go there with an attitude. 0:19:01.119 --> 0:19:03.399 Nah, not at all, not at all. And you know 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:05.800 I could understand where people were coming from. Look, people 0:19:05.800 --> 0:19:11.240 weren't really in yeah, people people look got understand people 0:19:11.280 --> 0:19:13.640 at the last point of their lives when they're in there, 0:19:13.680 --> 0:19:16.600 you know, and you know it's you know, sometimes if 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:18.960 it's it's someone when someone's really angry and he may 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:20.840 get out of my road, my road or something like that, 0:19:20.920 --> 0:19:23.480 and so you know, I would say, look, look, I 0:19:23.520 --> 0:19:25.760 can understand that you're feeling angry right now. I was. 0:19:25.840 --> 0:19:27.560 I'm only just trying to get through so I can 0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:32.919 give them some Yeah, the moment that I identified the 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:36.600 emotion that they were feeling, that they've actually they've taken 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:38.480 it back, and then you talk to them calmly. I don't. 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.879