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Speaker 1: homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead,

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Speaker 1: The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories

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Speaker 1: no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged.

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Speaker 1: Join me now as I take you into this world.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to part two of my chat with Michael

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Speaker 1: Casidis and he's good mate Marty Cornish, who both had

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Speaker 1: versions of themselves. Welcome back, guys, Thank you awesome. It's

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Speaker 1: good to have you back glad to run off. Just

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Speaker 1: to clarify, and we mentioned it in part one that

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Speaker 1: based on reading textbooks or academic studies. This is from

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Speaker 2: we've done is we've recorded all these experience that I've

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Speaker 2: Michael cal said, this has been through and how he

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And like the boxing, And I get into trouble

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Speaker 1: But what you get and I'm asking you because Michael,

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Speaker 1: Were well to get respect in that environment. Now, yeah,

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Speaker 1: You've done it every everything you can. I think the

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Speaker 2: and have a crack. Now, let's go. Now, Yo, we'll

432
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,160
Speaker 2: go on the Brasco.

433
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:52,199
Speaker 3: You know.

434
00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,160
Speaker 2: And I said, I said, I look, mate, I said, look,

435
00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:57,040
Speaker 2: I want to go make it back down the reds.

436
00:20:57,080 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 2: I'm already in the bad boy books. I said, go

437
00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,520
Speaker 2: on the Brasca than five minutes to start without me.

438
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: I gave me a life, So there you go. You know,

439
00:21:06,840 --> 00:21:08,560
Speaker 2: I already have him a bit, I said. I said,

440
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:10,679
Speaker 2: my piece and I should have let it go. But

441
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,240
Speaker 2: you know, but like that wouldn't even have got to

442
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:13,879
Speaker 2: that if I just let it go, like let him

443
00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:15,399
Speaker 2: have his little say that he wants to do and

444
00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: let it go. Yeah.

445
00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:20,600
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting because I wondered because I know in

446
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 1: that environment people will want to take you on and

447
00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,280
Speaker 1: build a reputation. Exactly how that like spelled it out there.

448
00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, so you had to you had to adjust

449
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:32,439
Speaker 1: your eye to get through that. That's all. It is

450
00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:34,040
Speaker 1: what you had to do when you needed to.

451
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, as a young guy, as a young guy,

452
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:39,920
Speaker 2: you know, like I've first got in trouble with the

453
00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:42,359
Speaker 2: law many years ago. You know, I hit someone, you

454
00:21:42,400 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 2: know I could charge with the Sultan plan and got good.

455
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 2: I had to do eight months jail. And the first

456
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: guy that I fought and now I absolutely wrecked him.

457
00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:51,159
Speaker 2: You know, it was one hundred and ten kilos. He

458
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:55,879
Speaker 2: was in there for killing a copper and he was

459
00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:57,760
Speaker 2: told to make an example and look at this kid

460
00:21:57,800 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 2: out that's a little kid that I wasn't a champion

461
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: there and then that, and he wanted to take my

462
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,240
Speaker 2: gloves off me and I said no, I said, look

463
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: you can use my gloves, but you can't have. And

464
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,639
Speaker 2: I to know, I'm saying, their mind now chin's and

465
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:11,520
Speaker 2: he's come at me and I've knocked him out first

466
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 2: hit and then but I've had to knock him out

467
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,159
Speaker 2: five times. He kept coming at me and coming at me.

468
00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: He's so big, he's like one hundred and ten. At

469
00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 2: least you waited, I would have been sixty five killows.

470
00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: And I'm up against the wall and I've got mym friends,

471
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,960
Speaker 2: went hook hook in. His ear was hanging by by

472
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,439
Speaker 2: a thread and he's just laying in a pool of blood.

473
00:22:30,680 --> 00:22:32,600
Speaker 2: And you've got guys to this very day saying that's

474
00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:35,159
Speaker 2: the most violent fight they'd ever seen in jail. But

475
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,320
Speaker 2: that was a young ego guy, like I was a

476
00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:40,399
Speaker 2: young guy. Yeah, one would have been enough, but I

477
00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,480
Speaker 2: had an ego and I wrecked him. And look, I

478
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: could have been facing more charges or anything could have happened,

479
00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 2: and this was unnecessary. But that kept me away from

480
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,919
Speaker 2: any more more drama. You know, going in there a

481
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: bit older. You know, guy's got a bit of an

482
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,199
Speaker 2: attitude adjustment here and there, Like you know, I just

483
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,000
Speaker 2: need to pull my punches and you know, so I

484
00:22:59,080 --> 00:23:01,199
Speaker 2: just didn't go on with it or like that, just

485
00:23:01,240 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 2: a bit of a.

486
00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: And that that's that's the difference from when you first

487
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 1: went into the second time A little bit was a.

488
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: Second time last time?

489
00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:16,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then tell us about you to sign the form.

490
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:24,199
Speaker 1: You're not you're not going back in here on We

491
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:26,160
Speaker 1: have had a few go back after but.

492
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,479
Speaker 2: Anyway, okay, I've got it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I've

493
00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:32,160
Speaker 2: got to tell you. Okay, So I'm sitting in there.

494
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,800
Speaker 2: I'm sitting this is a goodsebunt moment that I had

495
00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:35,520
Speaker 2: when I was in there was a light bulb moment too.

496
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,600
Speaker 2: So I'm sitting in the sewing shop and I'm sowing

497
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,320
Speaker 2: away and the big guys sitting above me, and I'm

498
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: just working away. It's just sewing, you know, making you know,

499
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: the prison shorts and shirts. And he's looking at me.

500
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,640
Speaker 2: He's got these big guy, piercing blue eyes, big bulk

501
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 2: of a man, right and and and he goes, how

502
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 2: are you going in here? Son? And he had an

503
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 2: English accent, and I said, fuck, you know, could be

504
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:58,000
Speaker 2: doing something with my life. And I you know, you know,

505
00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,919
Speaker 2: I'm not real happy with myself. And he goes, I know,

506
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,720
Speaker 2: and I looked up and I said, who are you

507
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 2: and he goes, he goes, I'm Peter McDonald. He goes,

508
00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,600
Speaker 2: you don't remember me doing I said, no, he goes,

509
00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:13,439
Speaker 2: he goes, I met you in Vegas in two thousand

510
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: and seven. I trained a young fellow by the name

511
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 2: of Ricky Hatton.

512
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:18,920
Speaker 1: Because I said, what are you doing?

513
00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:20,399
Speaker 2: And he goes, more to the point, what are you

514
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 2: doing in sunlight? It's like you know, and and he say,

515
00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:27,239
Speaker 2: he used to look after the guys in protection and

516
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 2: he always comes through to the mainstream. And he talked

517
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,360
Speaker 2: to me, and then you know, he'd go and just check,

518
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,920
Speaker 2: come in daily and just check on me and that,

519
00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,359
Speaker 2: and other people see me talking. And I look at

520
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 2: that dog and I said, come talking to a Yeah,

521
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,959
Speaker 2: who cares whatever? Yeah, anyway, but it ain't come and

522
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:46,040
Speaker 2: he talked to me and he checked in. Then after

523
00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 2: a while I sort of built up the confidence and

524
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 2: I sort of said, hey, mate, I said, you know,

525
00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 2: I've got to go before a judge soon. You know,

526
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 2: I think it'd be really good if I had a

527
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,280
Speaker 2: reference from someone in here saying that, look I'm doing

528
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:58,920
Speaker 2: and yeah, and he said, he said, he said, leave

529
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 2: that with me. Son. So it come back like a

530
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 2: week later or something like that, and he had had

531
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:06,359
Speaker 2: like a big thick thing of my Wikipedia and it says,

532
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: here's your reference. Son. He said, don't forget who you are.

533
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 2: Just handed me that we can't get access to printers

534
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: and get handed me the papers. And I was like,

535
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 2: I just like goosebumps, you know. He said, don't you

536
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: forget who you are.

537
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: It was a wake up call, that type.

538
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 2: Of yeah, this is your reference. Don't forget who you are.

539
00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,680
Speaker 1: Because you could lose your way in there. So the

540
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:30,240
Speaker 1: thing that you would say to people that think, okay,

541
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:31,879
Speaker 1: well let's surprise, I'm going to pay. If I'm going

542
00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: to live the gangster the life soul or the bad

543
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,960
Speaker 1: boy life style, I'm going to end up in prison.

544
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 1: But there's no joy in prison, is there?

545
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,600
Speaker 2: No, there's not. There's not like people can look, people

546
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 2: can look as far as they want, they get deep, deep,

547
00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:46,000
Speaker 2: as far as as but you know, sometimes the human

548
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 2: mind is an amazing thing and some people have to adjust.

549
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 2: But you don't want to be in that position where

550
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: you have to adjust yourself to being able to enjoy

551
00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,840
Speaker 2: being locked away. You know, look, these days, if you're

552
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,680
Speaker 2: not considered to be well behaved. You're in the you're

553
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 2: in the blocks, and in the blocks now minimum that

554
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,080
Speaker 2: everyone's locked down twenty hours a day. Yeah, you get

555
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: out for four hours in a small courtyard where you

556
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 2: walk up and down. It's a shit place to be.

557
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 2: It ain't a life for anybody, you know. It's it's yeah,

558
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 2: you don't want to go there, you know. It's just

559
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 2: it's a strong message.

560
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's yeah, it's good to hear from someone

561
00:26:18,200 --> 00:26:20,800
Speaker 1: that's been there and someone that people look up to

562
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 1: and respect that that's yeah, not the place to go.

563
00:26:24,600 --> 00:26:26,840
Speaker 1: Is that something that you see working with Michael and

564
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: doing the stuff that you do with Michael, he can

565
00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: give that experience.

566
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. And I feel like it really comes

567
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: back to you know, I remember being a teenager and

568
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:42,879
Speaker 3: idolizing certain things I grew up, you know, really idolizing

569
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 3: rap music. And it's like it's who we look up to,

570
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, if it's really kind of changing the philosophy

571
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 3: of you know, our role models. You know, it's like

572
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 3: with Michael, he'll tell you look. I remember we're sitting

573
00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 3: down one time having a sausage roll, and he was

574
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 3: telling me a little bit about some of the stories

575
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 3: and he said, there's a lot of heard in that,

576
00:27:04,600 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of pain, you know. I mean we

577
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 3: really get to that, and I know, like the young

578
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 3: teenagers and we're really looking up to you know, the

579
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,359
Speaker 3: hip hop and then it's like they feel that they've

580
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 3: maybe got to go to prison to earn their stripes,

581
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,520
Speaker 3: you know. But then guys that have been there will

582
00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 3: tell you that it's no place, you know what I mean,

583
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 3: you don't like it's it's changing that kind of outlook

584
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:32,400
Speaker 3: that we have, and I think we need people like Michael.

585
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 3: You know, I said, I've got people in Queensland and

586
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:39,879
Speaker 3: politicians keep talking about the problem, but no one that

587
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 3: I see it. It's about taking action, but it's the people.

588
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 3: There's no point for a random politician or someone to

589
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: speak to a teenager because they're not going to reach them.

590
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, one hundred if they speak the I think

591
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:58,160
Speaker 1: life experience car carries a lot like people. If you're

592
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 1: those young, reckless guys, you're not going to be listening

593
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: to someone you don't respect, and you've probably you're respecting

594
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,240
Speaker 1: the wrong people. But if you respect someone that says no,

595
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:09,239
Speaker 1: this is not the path the gap in prepping for this.

596
00:28:09,320 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 1: There's something that you have said, Marty, and I'll just

597
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,360
Speaker 1: read it out and we'll discuss that. You've said that

598
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: you're finding purpose, encouraging men to find their best again,

599
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: healing themselves, developing new habits, finding purpose, being someone they're

600
00:28:23,280 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: proud of and their families are proud of, and becoming

601
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,199
Speaker 1: productive members of society is at the end goal of

602
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,639
Speaker 1: if people come into contact and the advice between the

603
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: two of you pointing someone in the right direction, is

604
00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: that the type of thing you're having to achieve.

605
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,200
Speaker 3: Essentially, we'll get somebody that comes to us at the

606
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,680
Speaker 3: moment and they want to go to that next level

607
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: in their life, and they identify the roadblocks might be drinking,

608
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 3: it might be self belief. So our whole mission and

609
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 3: like I say to the clients we work with, we

610
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:57,840
Speaker 3: don't succeed unless you succeed. And I've learned that what

611
00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:01,520
Speaker 3: gives me purpose is to help that person because I

612
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: know what it was like being in that and when

613
00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: I didn't have a vision for my life and I'd

614
00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 3: lost faith because I thought things were never going to

615
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,520
Speaker 3: get better. Man, that's when you know suicide, ideation and

616
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 3: things like that happens because we don't have that reason

617
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:19,080
Speaker 3: to move forward. And that's what it's about. I feel

618
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: like giving young men, you know, a vision of what

619
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: they can potentially if they really went for it, if

620
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 3: they cut away to the alcohol, they cut got around

621
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 3: the right people who actually want the best for them.

622
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 3: And like I said to you Gary another time of camera,

623
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 3: like some people that have broken a law with some

624
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 3: very sophisticated supply chains, I'm as somebody that does a

625
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,280
Speaker 3: lot of supply chain and business, I'm like, that's fucking intelligent.

626
00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: I wouldn't even like you know what I mean, Like

627
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:48,840
Speaker 3: they're fucking smart.

628
00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: They put their energy towards something yeah, decent.

629
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it doesn't reck to society.

630
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, like you could do that to a legit, Like

631
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 3: they're valuable skill sets, and it's it's just not taking

632
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 3: that quick buck. It's that coming back to the process

633
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 3: and it's changing the way of what Like when I

634
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,840
Speaker 3: was being a dickhead or a winker, it's because I

635
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 3: was looking up to the whim and the cars.

636
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:18,040
Speaker 1: That's what I thought was cool and examples of people

637
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: and without identifying them, but just sort of circumstances where

638
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,720
Speaker 1: someone's made an adjustment to their life and it's pointed

639
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: them in the right direction. Can you give them the example.

640
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a gentleman who've been speaking to on Instagram.

641
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 3: He messaged out and this is what I find really

642
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 3: fulfilling because he's smoking weed a little bit. You know,

643
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 3: he's drinking here and there on every couple of days.

644
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 3: And you know, he used to be quite a handy

645
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:47,680
Speaker 3: amateur fighter, but a life turned thirty three, stopped believing

646
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 3: in himself and just let these bad habits. And I

647
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: remember speaking to him and I just said, you know,

648
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: we've got a room. I said, first thing, bro, we've

649
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 3: got to remove the vices that has got to go

650
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,720
Speaker 3: if you really like But the thing I do, I said,

651
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 3: what do you actually want to go? What do you

652
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 3: want to accomplish? And then when we work out where

653
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: they want to go, and then we go, okay, well

654
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 3: what did the rope blocker?

655
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 2: I said? I said that I would when it comes

656
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,800
Speaker 2: to more boxing related stuff, I would advise mighty given

657
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: an example and just asking him, just Marty said, we

658
00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 2: need to ask him what he really wants to do.

659
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 2: Does he really want to be a boxer or do

660
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: you just think that he wants to be a boxer,

661
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 2: because if you want to be a boxer, there's a

662
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: prerequisite that you have to do this maintenance program that

663
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 2: we've got for him to do every day. He's got

664
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: to get up and he's got to do that. If

665
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 2: he doesn't do that, he doesn't really want to be

666
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: a boxer. So I actually stop that question first, and

667
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 2: if not, we can consider something else that you can

668
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: get into. It's clear, but with this gentleman.

669
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Speaker 3: And then I remember he sent a message saying that

670
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: he trained, and I said to him, how do you

671
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 3: feel right now? And he said, I'm so happy I

672
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 3: finally did something for myself. And he goes, I feel

673
00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 3: like peace. And I said, to never forget this fear feeling.

674
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 3: This is you're feeling alive. This is what it's about,

675
00:32:04,520 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 3: cutting those vices and starting to feel it that confidence.

676
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 3: You've earned it because you put in the work. And

677
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 3: he sent a message the other day and he goes, look,

678
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: I just want to thank you guys. He goes, I

679
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 3: haven't felt this fucking alive in a long time. And

680
00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 3: that's what it's about, you know. And and that's what

681
00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: it's about. And that's what I and what we say

682
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 3: is like, now you've got to obviously live stick to

683
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 3: the code, and the code is your daily habits, and

684
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 3: and you've got to pay it forward and help the

685
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: next man. Now all women as well. We just seem

686
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 3: to attract a lot of.

687
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Speaker 2: It's interesting that when it comes from the right voice,

688
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,200
Speaker 2: I did someone that they respect, and like sometimes when

689
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:51,080
Speaker 2: I was given advice by people like I didn't really

690
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 2: really really I'd say that I respect them, but I

691
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: didn't really respect them. And then when it comes to

692
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: those things like this, it's amazing and I'm like astonished

693
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 2: that like, after what I've done, we can pass on

694
00:33:01,080 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: a bit of advice and said in the right way,

695
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 2: which Marty gets is out and and it helps him

696
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: so much just to have that feedback back is really

697
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:11,120
Speaker 2: it's rewarding.

698
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Speaker 1: Is powerful. If you can make a difference, I love

699
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: it in one person's life. Yeah you're on the high.

700
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, it really really can can feel different with you, Michael.

701
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: Something that has said you want to heal yourself, sharing

702
00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 1: your message to educating them power men to find their purpose,

703
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: build a bulletproof mindset and accomplish their goals. So just

704
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 1: breaking that down like healing yourself. You're on the you're

705
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: on the path to healing yourself.

706
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: It's I'm always healing myself. And that's it's a lifelong recovery.

707
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't just something that you decide to stop tomorrow. Yeah,

708
00:33:47,640 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: it just goes every day and day out. You know.

709
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,360
Speaker 2: The recovery program is something you need to you know,

710
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 2: the slippery behaviors just thinks you can learn this or

711
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 2: through narcotics anonymous or alcoholics anonymous. You know, like I

712
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 2: find it hard to attend meetings or the time, but

713
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: it is important to go in there to stay in check.

714
00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, you have a sponsor and things like that,

715
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: because look, let's just face it, it's not just a

716
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 2: little thing. It's a fucking really big thing. Because if

717
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: you start slipping, one slip is a big slip. You know,

718
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: it's once too many in the thousands, never enough. So

719
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 2: I have one drink and then he just kind of

720
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:19,879
Speaker 2: one another another another, and it becomes like who you're

721
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: associating with with, you know, like Marty would never never

722
00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: condone me having a drink or anything that because you know,

723
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: he would question like do you think you really need

724
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:28,799
Speaker 2: to do that? I'm not ready to have a drink

725
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:30,919
Speaker 2: and just leave it at that. That's That's not where

726
00:34:30,960 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 2: I'm at in my life right now. So this is

727
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: a lifelong thing that I have to keep on going

728
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 2: on with. You know, I'm not real thick. I'm reading

729
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 2: books and that like the Big the Narcotics Anonymous program

730
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: or Aholics Anonymous. But I am proud that I can

731
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,120
Speaker 2: pick up the phone. I have so many people that

732
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:47,160
Speaker 2: I can talk to about things, and it's just like

733
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 2: a It's just it's not the same with my boxing

734
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 2: as well. It's if you want to be successful at boxing,

735
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: it's not just you gotta do this program every day

736
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: and do that every day. It's not like that. When

737
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 2: you train this amount every day, it becomes a lifestyle

738
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:01,560
Speaker 2: because is the way that you live your life. So

739
00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: that comes to recovery as well as the way that

740
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:06,640
Speaker 2: you live your life, and that that's that's the way

741
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 2: that I relate that too.

742
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,600
Speaker 1: So so what you're saying there is like every day

743
00:35:12,360 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be a battle, but every day

744
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,439
Speaker 1: you've got to be conscious of keeping you making sure

745
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: you're doing the right thing for yourself that's right, and

746
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: sharing your message to educate and empowerment, to find their purpose. Yeap,

747
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: what are you getting from that?

748
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: So it's just been able to help someone. Obviously I've

749
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 2: been able to help someone, and so in the past

750
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 2: I couldn't even help myself, and I was trying to

751
00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: help some people. I'll be driving around and you know,

752
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: I'm you know, I'm a three time world boxing champ

753
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 2: and going over someone's house to train. I'm like, Wow,

754
00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: are you getting paid some big bucks to do that

755
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 2: or what? Like It's like, yeah, Like I can get

756
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 2: a far greater widespread message out there by by passing

757
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 2: on my analogies and my life's learnings all on recording

758
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: and getting it out to many people conveniently, and then

759
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: and then then getting the feedback from these people because

760
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: obviously the computer literally then they had to get online,

761
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,799
Speaker 2: then how to use a computer. They actually take the

762
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:05,560
Speaker 2: time out to do it, and then I'll give you

763
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 2: some feedback. And actually hearing the things, like Maty just

764
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 2: said before, hearing those things, you know, is a big thing.

765
00:36:11,600 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 2: It's a big win for me.

766
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 1: You know.

767
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: I like having my day with like little wins every day,

768
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: like tiny little things. Whether it's a physical win, you know,

769
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 2: it's like a mental win, like maybe if it's meditating

770
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 2: for ten minutes or doing a little bit of a train,

771
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: it's just like a little win, little win, and then

772
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: getting something like that back is a big win.

773
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, And that makes sense, and those little wins.

774
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 1: When I left the cops, I did some stuff with

775
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: a group called Swiss eight Combat Fits and they were

776
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 1: taking like with post traumatic stress and the stuff that

777
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 1: they come away from the army, but they were big

778
00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: on just doing the little things each day. Get to

779
00:36:45,719 --> 00:36:48,319
Speaker 1: get a routine, get up, make your bed, get up,

780
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: do this, do that.

781
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 2: Good little things like that.

782
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 1: And I know when I've been in low points, that's

783
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: where your routine breaks down, and that's when you start

784
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: to start the spiral spiral down with you. Michael, you

785
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,760
Speaker 1: did time for an assault, you did time for drugs.

786
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: The work that you're doing now, do you feel like

787
00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:11,200
Speaker 1: it's balancing the ledger for you? You must?

788
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. As I said earlier, like gratitude and having

789
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:18,600
Speaker 2: gratitude and been thankful where I'm at, Like I'm so

790
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 2: grateful that I've been through what I've been through in

791
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,920
Speaker 2: my life because I can pass on that message to

792
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 2: someone else now like I've been through it, someone's sitting

793
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,399
Speaker 2: there thinking about you know, these kids with the youth

794
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:29,879
Speaker 2: crime crists are going and thinking about going this way. Well,

795
00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:31,959
Speaker 2: have a look at me. I've actually lived what you've done.

796
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,640
Speaker 2: I've actually gone through what you've experienced, gone through at

797
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: the last of lows, and and now I'm coming out

798
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:40,400
Speaker 2: the other end, so I can tell you firsthand. You

799
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:41,840
Speaker 2: know that this is the way they've got it.

800
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: So it's giving back to the society, that's right. And

801
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,720
Speaker 1: the bit the comment of building a bulletproof mindset, We've

802
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 1: talked on that a bit. Life is going to do

803
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 1: you some shitty carts. So if anyone, yeah, I worry

804
00:37:57,640 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: about society these days where everyone gets reward for just

805
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,240
Speaker 1: for turning up and all that, is it really preparing

806
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 1: people for life because life is going to slap you down.

807
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: I know that from a homicide to teke this point

808
00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: of view, I've seen people's lives just change dramatically in

809
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:16,160
Speaker 1: a split second, just randomly. Life. You've got to be bulletproof,

810
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,319
Speaker 1: haven't you. What's your thoughts on that?

811
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:23,240
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, you manifest your own creation, so you plant

812
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,879
Speaker 2: the seeds in your mind, you make what you want

813
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:27,879
Speaker 2: happen to you. And some people might say they get

814
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 2: dealt with like a wild card, and yeah, like you said,

815
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: and things change in a split second. But with that

816
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 2: comes resilience. You have to have resilience to overcome that,

817
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 2: and then you have to you have to maintain that

818
00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:40,360
Speaker 2: role that you're on and just just keep on manifesting

819
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: your creation because one thing might happen and then people

820
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:44,880
Speaker 2: might go fucking throw it for the hands up there,

821
00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 2: and things just go and get worse. You can actually

822
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: use that negative. It's just that an equal, powerful positive

823
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:55,359
Speaker 2: you can spin around, which is exactly what I'm doing

824
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:55,799
Speaker 2: right now.

825
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,560
Speaker 1: Okay, you've been tested and that's made me a better person.

826
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: This adversity has made me great.

827
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 2: How great is this? This is great? Like this is

828
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:04,640
Speaker 2: a good thing, you know, like I don't want to

829
00:39:04,680 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 2: keep happening anymore, but this is great because I can

830
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 2: overcome this. I can again. I know again, I know again.

831
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Speaker 1: I've heard positive people say that type of thing that

832
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: when the challenge is presented to them, they think, great,

833
00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: this will I can step up the meet the level.

834
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:22,600
Speaker 3: But yeah, well for me, it's like the question we

835
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 3: ask ourselves is are we living up to our full potential?

836
00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: And for a lot of us, the answers are kind

837
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 3: of maybe, and and that's where we really like to

838
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:38,239
Speaker 3: plane is really you know, introducing mental training. You know,

839
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 3: as athletes, we often work on our nutrition and our

840
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,280
Speaker 3: physical training, but we often don't work on our mental training.

841
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 3: And that's what we're doing with Michael, like we've really

842
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 3: unpacked the principles from his journey as an eliteer fleet

843
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 3: and then apply them to life lessons in sports, psychology

844
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: and psychology in general. For example, when he fought Graham

845
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,319
Speaker 3: l when he left Brooklyn and got to London, like,

846
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 3: as you know, like in live business, we've always got

847
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 3: this noise coming at us. And one thing when Graham

848
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 3: ll that fight was the promoters were sending sex workers

849
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 3: in Michael's hotel to swimming exactly, and then they set

850
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 3: off the fire alarms all fucking night at three am,

851
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 3: and they were just trying and he said, I would

852
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:31,880
Speaker 3: rather die. This is how extreme this, God, this is

853
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:36,080
Speaker 3: how extreme. Like I'm not saying this and I'm not

854
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 3: taking the notes. I'm like, this is fucking and he goes,

855
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 3: you know, I would rather died in the fire than

856
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: not have a good, nice sleep and jeopardize any chance

857
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,799
Speaker 3: I was going to lose to earl And obviously for

858
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 3: the business world or for the average person, we don't

859
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 3: need to go sleep in a burning building to to

860
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: reach our goals. But the points are is that that

861
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,719
Speaker 3: will obviously prioritizing your sleep. I think we can take

862
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 3: out of that his recovery not before the world.

863
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,680
Speaker 2: I'm already asleep and fuck it, I've got to sleep.

864
00:41:13,680 --> 00:41:14,400
Speaker 2: I got to fight the bar.

865
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that's that's the nature of the business. But yeah, yeah,

866
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,919
Speaker 1: you're right. So what what are you doing now? Talk

867
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: about what you what you're doing. What's the setup that

868
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,680
Speaker 1: you've got to running.

869
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 3: So essentially we've created the Casitas Academy and then under

870
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,320
Speaker 3: that we've got our main pillar, which is our mental

871
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 3: training program and that's called Find your Best. Then over

872
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 3: there and under that we've got people that because he

873
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 3: would go twelve rounds against the world to elite, a

874
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: lot of people want to know about the conditioning, so

875
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: we've got the conditioning are also he's run program as well,

876
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: and he wants a fitness we've got the nutrition side

877
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 3: of things. Obviously we're both not nutritionists, so but there

878
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,879
Speaker 3: are the breakdowns of that.

879
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:01,240
Speaker 2: But Garrett, it's really simple, like it it's really simple,

880
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: like keep it simple. Stupid you know, like you know

881
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 2: when you're talking to Johnny Lewis and he says the

882
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:08,120
Speaker 2: way that he says things to you, it's just so

883
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:11,360
Speaker 2: easy to understand. And and there's the saying that goes

884
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,400
Speaker 2: like like, stupid people make easy things look hard, but

885
00:42:14,520 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: intelligent people make hard things look easy. And it's just

886
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:21,280
Speaker 2: the way that it's just it's it's not rocket science, boxing,

887
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 2: it ain't rocket science, but it's just amazing when you

888
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,800
Speaker 2: taught the specifics and how to do things properly. And

889
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: that's what I do. There's as as a blueprint of

890
00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 2: my life's learnings or put into document or document and

891
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 2: recorded for other people to have for themselves so they

892
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 2: can learn it. And and that that that's why I'm

893
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 2: thankful with Marty. He unpacks all that information exactly how

894
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:42,920
Speaker 2: we're saying.

895
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: Well, what I think you guys bring to the table

896
00:42:45,520 --> 00:42:48,320
Speaker 1: is you're keeping it simple. And sometimes the most important

897
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: messages are very simple. And when when you're told it,

898
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: do you think, well, let makes it.

899
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know.

900
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: That, but Johnny's very good at that. He can keep

901
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 1: your right hand up. It's not that you've got to

902
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: do this and do that.

903
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 2: It's just occasionally yeah, yeah, yes, and when it has

904
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 2: to do it so many times.

905
00:43:07,719 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: Slowly, slowly. Yeah, But that's that's right because the message

906
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,040
Speaker 1: in some times, Yeah, when you I've been through it,

907
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: you all probably have been Okay, I'm really going to

908
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 1: dive deep into this, but it's too complicated to there's

909
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 1: too many parts. The lessons I learned are the simple

910
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: lessons that explained in a simple, simple way, and it

911
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: just sort of hits. It hits you and go, yeah, okay,

912
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: I get it. As you said, keep your right hand up.

913
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, and that one time when he goes to

914
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 2: hit you and you catch it, Ah, musta got you,

915
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, But just on that.

916
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 3: We launched a program in September basically any student that

917
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,560
Speaker 3: comes on board or that comes work with us, we're

918
00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 3: actually so they're going to be getting an onboarding call

919
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,759
Speaker 3: with myself and we're going to be getting really really

920
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: clear in getting themselves a success. Then Michael is going

921
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 3: to be doing live We're going to do they come

922
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:01,479
Speaker 3: into a private community. It's new software that we're using.

923
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,279
Speaker 3: We don't own the software, and it's it's like a

924
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 3: Facebook but for learning, and Michael is going to be

925
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 3: very hands on and this isn't hey, you just go

926
00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 3: watch these videos. We're doing it with them, and we're

927
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 3: holding that there's going to be accountability and we really

928
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 3: work out where these men want to go and they're

929
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 3: going to have access to an Olympian and two times

930
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:27,520
Speaker 3: world champion all three. And then with my experience as

931
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 3: an ultramaruth on runner, served in the Army and an

932
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 3: advocate for personal development for the last twelve years, because

933
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 3: I really feel the real value is actually getting access

934
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 3: to Michael and we can talk about when people go

935
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 3: with Michael, what was your mindset like when you walked

936
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:47,040
Speaker 3: into Brooklyn, Like what were you thinking with your self talk?

937
00:44:47,360 --> 00:44:49,719
Speaker 3: And that's where we really want to but it's in

938
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:53,040
Speaker 3: a really organized modules and as I said, we've really

939
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 3: worked out based on the sports psychology and.

940
00:44:57,040 --> 00:44:59,960
Speaker 2: The accountability is good with Marty because you might be

941
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 2: step one past the coach because there's so many people

942
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:06,040
Speaker 2: that are doing this, but then Marty's there, he documents everything,

943
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 2: so then he goes, Michael, this person didn't do that.

944
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: Then I can actually go, hey, listen, you didn't do

945
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,040
Speaker 2: you know what you've been held accountable for You've said

946
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: that you've got to do this, and I've told this

947
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,840
Speaker 2: and you haven't done that. Like it's part of the

948
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 2: team work.

949
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:21,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a great thing. And that's why I

950
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:22,919
Speaker 1: I was keen to get you on when I heard

951
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: about what you guys are doing, because it's you, and

952
00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 1: good luck to you started starting something something new and

953
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 1: having to go but you're trying to make a difference.

954
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: And look, there's so many people out there that have

955
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 1: got problems and we're looking for solutions and all that.

956
00:45:38,600 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 1: Your set up might work for everyone, but there might

957
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,839
Speaker 1: be the people that does work for and that might We've.

958
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: Got good support and testimonials from a lot of people

959
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:47,920
Speaker 2: that have benefited from the help that I've given in

960
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 2: the past and with Marty and like for example, like

961
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 2: when you're run into last night, we ran into George Campbosas.

962
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:56,759
Speaker 2: We'll be going to his gym tomorrow doing a couple

963
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 2: of real saying gooday, catching up because I've known George

964
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,920
Speaker 2: for years and years, and like the support is massive.

965
00:46:01,960 --> 00:46:04,720
Speaker 2: Even Johnny Lewis this morning, like you know, to endorse

966
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,239
Speaker 2: what we're doing once you can see our program and

967
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, like I love being able to pick up

968
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 2: the phone talk to Danny Grant. I love it and

969
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,919
Speaker 2: the support that these guys off. It's always been there

970
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 2: and you know, I'll bounce off than guys and have

971
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,040
Speaker 2: to have them guys endorse what we're doing and share,

972
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: share like through my Instagram and what's going on and

973
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 2: follow it. It's been really really good to get such

974
00:46:24,600 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 2: a big boost.

975
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I think you trying to help people. And yeah,

976
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 1: we hear you guys are from Queensland and we hear

977
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: in New South Wales and we've got the same problems here.

978
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:37,600
Speaker 1: But it's just been copying more attention our youth crime

979
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:41,440
Speaker 1: in Queensland. I know when I was growing up there

980
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: was a Police Boys club and when I was through

981
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: the police is police boys clubs and yeah, and people

982
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 1: shy away from it, thinking why are you getting kids

983
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,080
Speaker 1: that are going to cause trouble on the streets teaching

984
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 1: them to box. It's not just about boxing anymore. It's

985
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: a whole range of things. It's everyone that's a community thing.

986
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,680
Speaker 1: But buying into buying into a community, giving kids kids purpose.

987
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot to be said and the

988
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: type of messaging that you guys are getting across is

989
00:47:09,360 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: not dissimilar to that be the best person you can be.

990
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 1: And for looking up to someone like you, Michael, when

991
00:47:17,600 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 1: you got Marty here, that's looking at you like a legend.

992
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: That's Michael from your childhood. But their role models, their

993
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,280
Speaker 1: role models, and if we can put people in pointing

994
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 1: them in the right direction, I think it's a great

995
00:47:31,000 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: way to get thanks. So where if people want to

996
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: reach out to you, where do they find you?

997
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 3: So they can come right now on to Michael or

998
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: my Instagram and then they can also send us a

999
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 3: d M and that'll probably be the best place. And

1000
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 3: we've bought we've built out our whole online portal, but

1001
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 3: in that online portal all and this is what I'm

1002
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:54,239
Speaker 3: really loving because we've got guys from London, We've got

1003
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 3: all different walks of life, not just boxes as well.

1004
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: Just men want to build better than so because like I,

1005
00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 3: when I wasn't on my purpose, I filled myself with distractions,

1006
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,400
Speaker 3: with vices. And that's why I'm such an advocate for

1007
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 3: men finding having a purpose. It doesn't need to be business.

1008
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 3: It can be something just outside of our partners, something

1009
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,440
Speaker 3: to get up that's going to bring at our best

1010
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 3: and in this community they're coming, they can all interact

1011
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 3: with each other, and then they're going to be able

1012
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 3: to interact with Michael. They can message him, then we

1013
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 3: can do the zoom calls, and then eventually we can

1014
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:35,719
Speaker 3: even do the meetup for we're going to run like

1015
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,520
Speaker 3: a bit of a challenge in the summer and then

1016
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 3: we're going to get like the top five people who

1017
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 3: win the challenge, they're going to fly up to Brisbane.

1018
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,800
Speaker 3: Well that's the plan anyway, and we've got something special

1019
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 3: lined up with Michael. And so it's really about building

1020
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 3: a community as well and helping these men get to

1021
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,960
Speaker 3: where they want to go and enjoying that process.

1022
00:48:56,040 --> 00:48:58,800
Speaker 1: So I hope you have success with it. Because we

1023
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,760
Speaker 1: talk youth crime, we also talk about the horrendous rates

1024
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 1: of domestic murders where females have been victims of the males.

1025
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: And yeah, there's a whole range of things that why

1026
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: that's got to stop, the toxic masculinity and all that.

1027
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 1: But I think you need to put your hand up

1028
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,479
Speaker 1: for men too. They need a place to go where

1029
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:22,279
Speaker 1: they can yeah when they need help, that helps there.

1030
00:49:22,680 --> 00:49:26,279
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes it happens because blokes by the

1031
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: very nature of who we are. We're too stupid to

1032
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 1: put their hands up and say say we need help,

1033
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: So anything in that space is worthwhile.

1034
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1035
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,239
Speaker 3: Well, it's like when we see this horrendous stuff that

1036
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 3: men do in the media, you know sometimes you know,

1037
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: and it's I'll speaking to a mate of mine, he said,

1038
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: we need to hold other men accountable because I do

1039
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 3: not condone like my mum is my best friend, you

1040
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: know what I mean, And I love women, and I

1041
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 3: think we need to be better men because then we're

1042
00:49:57,360 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 3: better men for our partners, for the q unity. And

1043
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,919
Speaker 3: that's where it's really about us showing up for ourselves

1044
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 3: and then that makes us flow better into everything else,

1045
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:12,560
Speaker 3: you know, not this toxic math leny. You know, I'm

1046
00:50:12,560 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 3: not really in today.

1047
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: I think men have got to stand up to other

1048
00:50:16,239 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 1: men too. I've had this discussions with families of victims

1049
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:25,320
Speaker 1: of domestic violence and different things, and blake's being blokes.

1050
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,879
Speaker 1: We hear the talk where women are treated disrespectfully. These

1051
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:30,920
Speaker 1: blakes need to be called on it. And if someone's

1052
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, if you think someone might be a friend,

1053
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: that might be a family member, that there might be

1054
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 1: some domestic violence for a man to a female. Well,

1055
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: it's up to us men to stand up to that

1056
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:41,759
Speaker 1: man and say it's not long.

1057
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 2: Part of our mission is to empower men to speak

1058
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 2: up about the stigma surrounding mental health. Yeah, you know,

1059
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: it all starts there. You know, there's some issues. So

1060
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 2: the cerner you can get under it, the dicerner you

1061
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: can deal with it. Yeah, before it gets out of hand.

1062
00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:58,120
Speaker 1: Well, you know your situation with your when you're sexually

1063
00:50:58,120 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 1: sold as a child, but also with your brother's.

1064
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 2: Death associated all linked.

1065
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,680
Speaker 1: If you put all the work in there at that time,

1066
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,480
Speaker 1: maybe yeah, you wouldn't be carrying so much that you're carrying.

1067
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:13,600
Speaker 1: So it's about and you see that with the army.

1068
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,360
Speaker 1: I saw it in the cops. The blokes are struggling,

1069
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: but they're not going to put the hand up because

1070
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: it feels like weakness.

1071
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 3: Because as you know, go we're talking about off camera

1072
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: one time, and all these things are kind of interlink

1073
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Speaker 3: with you've crime, mental health, domestic violence. It really comes

1074
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,759
Speaker 3: down to you know, because when we're taking control of

1075
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 3: ourselves and feeling good, we've been I know, on my

1076
00:51:35,840 --> 00:51:39,400
Speaker 3: best version of myself when I'm not drinking, I'm not

1077
00:51:39,480 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 3: party I'm in the gym and I'm doing my morning

1078
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:45,880
Speaker 3: routine and everything flows from there. And it's like the

1079
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 3: mental health crosses are like with the youth crime. It's like, well,

1080
00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 3: if these guys are running the streets, why they're running

1081
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:53,839
Speaker 3: the streets, what's their home life? Like you know better

1082
00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 3: than anyone with that kind of stuff, Like, you know,

1083
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,920
Speaker 3: if they're in a dysfunctional household, there's no stability, so

1084
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 3: they want to be on the streets. Maybe maybe shit's

1085
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:03,360
Speaker 3: happening to him in the fucking household. We don't know

1086
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 3: what's going on there, you know what I mean.

1087
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Speaker 2: It's been able to access this correct support services that

1088
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: are available. Some people feel like there isn't any other

1089
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 2: options and there is no one to talk to, but

1090
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 2: there are services available. And it wasn't until you get

1091
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: your back to the wall and you really are searched

1092
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:19,960
Speaker 2: for something that you can find it, you know, but

1093
00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:23,840
Speaker 2: it's there is there's ways and ways for people to

1094
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 2: deal with things.

1095
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, guys, Well, look, I've really enjoyed the

1096
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Speaker 1: chat and I appreciate your your honesty and talking about

1097
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: your your own lives and what you're trying to achieve.

1098
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Speaker 1: And I like what you're trying to achieve, and as

1099
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 1: I said, people need help and if it's the right

1100
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 1: fit for people that are finding you guys, great. Yeah,

1101
00:52:43,120 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: so thanks for coming on. I catch skills. I really

1102
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 1: like it. And yeah, meet Johnny's lines. You up for a.

1103
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Session with me tomorrow five thirty.

1104
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's when the fun starts. I've got to come

1105
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Speaker 1: back next week to record a podcast.

1106
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Speaker 3: We'll do some sparring or.

1107
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Speaker 1: Let's just be kind.

1108
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:10,040
Speaker 3: It's a love day today, Share the love, share, hug

1109
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Speaker 3: it out.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, thanks very much and all the best

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Speaker 1: for the future to both of you. I like what

1112
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Speaker 1: you're doing.

1113
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Speaker 2: Thank you well.

1114
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Speaker 1: As you know, I always enjoy talking to those boxing

1115
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Speaker 1: types and it's good to sit down with Michael Cassidas

1116
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: and and his good friend Marty Cornish. But more importantly

1117
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Speaker 1: about their boxing, I like what they're trying to do

1118
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: with their lives now and point people help men make

1119
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Speaker 1: better people of themselves. And they haven't got the academic qualifications,

1120
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Speaker 1: but they've got the life experience and I think they're

1121
00:53:45,200 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 1: a powerful team together and full credit to them what

1122
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 1: they're trying to achieve.