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Speaker 1: Approache Production.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to another episode of Brave Always, the CEO Series.

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Speaker 2: This series, we launch into the new world of brave leadership.

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Speaker 3: Happy people create happy businesses, true.

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Speaker 1: Emotionally intelligent leadership. I've picked up vomit once on our

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Speaker 1: about our fourth flight, and.

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Speaker 3: Everybody thought, well, if it's good enough for him, I

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Speaker 3: can do it now.

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Speaker 2: We will be joined by culture and leadership experts and

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Speaker 2: some superstar CEOs who will courageously tell us the truth

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Speaker 2: behind their brave leadership journeys.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to a new series of Brave Always.

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Speaker 2: Today in the studio, I'm joined by the beautiful man,

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Speaker 2: Matt Cratick. Matt is the Chief Growth Officer at Tactic.

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Speaker 2: He's also a brand ambassador for Saint Vini's CEO Sleepout.

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Speaker 2: The CEO of Sleepod is an annual event where people

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Speaker 2: instead of CEO or business ownership positions, take to sleeping

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Speaker 2: on a piece of cardboard for the night to experience

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Speaker 2: what it might be a fraction of what life is

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Speaker 2: like as a homeless person. And I participated this year,

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Speaker 2: and we'll talk more about Savini's a bit later in

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Speaker 2: the chat, but that's how I met Matt, And yeah,

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Speaker 2: look what a character like I feel like we've become

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Speaker 2: little best buddies since. To be honest, there's so much

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Speaker 2: love about you, and a lot of I guess in

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Speaker 2: relation to what I do with Brave is the fact

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Speaker 2: that for me, Matt.

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Speaker 1: You kind of personify it.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 2: We know that Brave is old, resilient, authentic, vulnerable, empathetic.

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Speaker 2: But when I look at not just your story and

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Speaker 2: what your life has been like, but the way you

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Speaker 2: choose to approach life now, all of it, it's just

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Speaker 2: like Brave one steries.

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Speaker 1: Frankly, it's very kind. So I was really excited to

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Speaker 1: have you on here to have a bit of a chat.

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Speaker 1: And so I know you're born in Western.

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Speaker 2: Sydney and that if I'm fairly typical upbringing twelve, your

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Speaker 2: parents split and you went to live with your dad,

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Speaker 2: who himself started battling with alcohol at that time.

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Speaker 1: So then we're at fifteen years of age and the

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Speaker 1: reality is by this.

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Speaker 2: Point you've started living on the streets, probably dabbling in

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Speaker 2: drugs and getting into trouble. I was thinking about this

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Speaker 2: skipping school.

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Speaker 1: He's punched holes in.

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Speaker 3: The wall exactly how it started for me.

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Speaker 2: And he's a really nice guy and he said to me,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what to do, And I just instantly

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Speaker 2: thought of you. And when you said it started, like that?

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Speaker 2: Was it your parents breaking up? Was it dad?

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Speaker 1: And the drink?

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Speaker 2: Was there one thing you can actually think of that

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Speaker 2: started for you? Because as a parent of sons, I'm like,

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Speaker 2: how do you prevent this?

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Speaker 3: It's hard? Man, Like, I remember when I was like twelve,

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Speaker 3: I got diagnosed with ad D, and I remember we

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Speaker 3: went to see these doctors and they medicated me with ridlin,

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Speaker 3: which I didn't realize back then is essentially speed. It's

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Speaker 3: the same chemical as speed. Yes, And what it does

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Speaker 3: to a kid with ADHD is it calms them down,

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Speaker 3: whereas a kid without ADHD it hypes them up. Right.

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Speaker 3: So it's a pretty powerful example that we're all built differently.

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Speaker 3: For some of us that would work and some of

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Speaker 3: us it wouldn't. So anyway, I remember being at this

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Speaker 3: lunch with my mum and dad. They hadn't split quite then,

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Speaker 3: but it was a celebratory lunch. It's like we're celebrating

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Speaker 3: because we now know why Matt's such a problem child.

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Speaker 3: We found the answer. You know, Like I just probably

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Speaker 3: felt a bit icky as a kid, do you know

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Speaker 3: what I mean? I was a troubled kid. I was

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Speaker 3: I went to live with Dad. Dad had become an alcoholic,

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Speaker 1: So you know, was it the tough love approach?

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Speaker 2: Because I'm thinking of it, like I always like to

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Speaker 2: think of like an opportunity for someone listening to there's

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Speaker 2: a lot of kids out there being diagnosed with adhd

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Speaker 2: AD is similarly in a similar challenging age.

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Speaker 1: What could your parents have done differently that might have

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Speaker 3: Look, I was a trouble kid. I was angry, you know,

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Speaker 3: I was punching holes in all these walls. I think

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Speaker 3: what happened in hindsight is essentially I didn't have the

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Speaker 3: just think that's so important. That's a part of what

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Speaker 3: I try and do today. People ask me all the time, Hey, Maddie,

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Speaker 3: is there anything that could have happened that could have

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Speaker 3: my case is no, probably not because of such arrogant

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Speaker 3: had all the shit that I thought was cool, did

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Speaker 3: all the things that I thought were glamorous, came out

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Speaker 3: just maybe, if I'd met someone at the crossroad in

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just had so much ability and the

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Speaker 2: I'll be sharing the podcast with my friend and get

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Speaker 2: a son to listen to it, honestly thinking that. Okay,

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Speaker 2: So the next fifteen years of your life, so between

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Speaker 1: What comes to mind you sort of like looking back

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Speaker 3: Look, you know, there was good times, there was bad times.

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Speaker 3: There was certainly no strategy or planning or anything like that,

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Speaker 3: I don't know many people that wake up and going,

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Speaker 3: you know what I'm going to be. I'm going to

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Speaker 3: be a drug addictor right, that's what I want to be.

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Speaker 3: I want to be a drug dealer. I mean, sure

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Speaker 3: there's probably people out there that do, but I certainly didn't.

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Speaker 3: And I had a big future ahead of me in sport,

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Speaker 3: there was this massive future ahead of me. Well what happens, right,

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Speaker 3: You did think that, oh yeah, when I was a

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Speaker 3: and you just go, how did I get here? Like?

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Speaker 2: I know you, like you talk to the fact that

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Speaker 3: All the time, all the time? Yeah, that was a

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Speaker 1: Were you afraid of dying?

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Speaker 3: No, not at all. I look back at my life

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Speaker 2: I have to ask, so, having not been familiar with

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Speaker 2: and for good or bad purposes. When you feel like

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Speaker 2: you're part of something, can I ask you that heavier

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Speaker 2: drug use that you've had over your life, does that

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Speaker 3: Definitely? Neurologically it does. Yeah, absolutely, My lungs are pretty shit.

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Speaker 3: I would say to anyone listening, like men, drugs will

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Speaker 3: got so many great friends who who are really battling

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Speaker 3: of the shit they put their body through when we

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Speaker 3: You're going to pay for that. There's a trade off,

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Speaker 3: And you know, when I was a kid and people

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Speaker 3: a horrible big part about culture today, like drugs are everywhere.

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Speaker 3: I used to think the world was a really dark place.

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Speaker 3: In fact, I thought it was just complete darkness. But

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Speaker 3: The thing about giving up all the bad stuff, right,

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Speaker 2: I think this is like literally some of the best

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Speaker 2: But I love this idea that you're building, this muscle.

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Speaker 3: If you can come to the realization that life is

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Speaker 2: I wanted to ask you about ego because I feel

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Speaker 1: The core of it? Is it I'm not good enough?

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Speaker 1: What drives these egos?

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Speaker 3: I think it's different for different people. My whole life

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Speaker 3: Not today. But if you've ever hung out with someone

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Speaker 3: Then imagine hanging out with that person for fifteen years, right. Essentially,

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Speaker 3: it's the only eternal enemy you've got. You've got to

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Speaker 1: Where's your ego at?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I really do. My fiance is a really good

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Speaker 3: You've got to have the right scaffolding, but you've also

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Speaker 3: You know, if I have ever had a leader, and

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Speaker 3: It is a retractive It is amazing and immediately that vulnerability,

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Speaker 3: The psychology behind that is that they're going, Wow, this

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Speaker 1: It breeds it.

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Speaker 2: It's the hacker to connection, right, And my view, I

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: one day, when I quote unquote get my shit together,

433
00:18:14,721 --> 00:18:17,001
Speaker 3: you know, I can patch my relationship up with my hero,

434
00:18:17,521 --> 00:18:19,640
Speaker 3: telling him your fault, my fault. Who cares? I just

435
00:18:19,681 --> 00:18:21,400
Speaker 3: love you, you know, like you're my dad. I love you.

436
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:24,521
Speaker 3: It just really sent me off the rails. And I

437
00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:27,201
Speaker 3: mean I was already such a horrible drug addict looking

438
00:18:27,201 --> 00:18:29,961
Speaker 3: back now, subconsciously, I just started killing myself with drugs

439
00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:32,481
Speaker 3: and ended up getting kicked out of my club because

440
00:18:32,521 --> 00:18:34,801
Speaker 3: I was taking too many drugs, which is you know, I.

441
00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:36,441
Speaker 1: Mean, how do you get kicked out of the club.

442
00:18:36,561 --> 00:18:41,160
Speaker 3: Well, I can't go on the graphic detail, but obviously

443
00:18:41,201 --> 00:18:43,360
Speaker 3: it wasn't good. No, it wasn't good. Most people don't

444
00:18:43,360 --> 00:18:47,561
Speaker 3: realize this, but ice is such a horrible drug. People

445
00:18:47,600 --> 00:18:50,801
Speaker 3: don't understand this. But every outlaw motorcycle club in Australia

446
00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,360
Speaker 3: has been the use of that drug within their ranks. Wow,

447
00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,561
Speaker 3: that's a fact, right, I was breaking the rules, right,

448
00:18:56,681 --> 00:18:58,880
Speaker 3: So I ended up leaving the club and then I

449
00:18:58,921 --> 00:19:01,080
Speaker 3: moved over back to Sydney and I was living in

450
00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:02,960
Speaker 3: a park. And you know, I'm now thirty two.

451
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,640
Speaker 1: Obviously you don't get to take any of your money

452
00:19:04,681 --> 00:19:05,041
Speaker 1: with you.

453
00:19:05,120 --> 00:19:08,161
Speaker 3: Everything was just spent gone. I'm probably about thirty two

454
00:19:08,241 --> 00:19:10,321
Speaker 3: by now. So I'm in the park and it was

455
00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:13,441
Speaker 3: this park in western Sydney. And mate, this is the slumps.

456
00:19:13,481 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I've had the crazy life where I had

457
00:19:15,481 --> 00:19:18,321
Speaker 3: a great family when I was a kid, ended up

458
00:19:18,360 --> 00:19:20,400
Speaker 3: on the streets for you know, two or three years,

459
00:19:20,801 --> 00:19:23,561
Speaker 3: got off the streets, made some money, I legally gained,

460
00:19:24,441 --> 00:19:26,561
Speaker 3: lived like a rock star for a while, and now

461
00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,440
Speaker 3: I'm back in a park, right. I mean, I was

462
00:19:28,441 --> 00:19:31,041
Speaker 3: just tired. I was exhausted. I could see no way out.

463
00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:34,760
Speaker 3: There was this horrible ice addiction. I was doing shitty

464
00:19:34,761 --> 00:19:36,961
Speaker 3: little street crimes to provide for my habit. I was

465
00:19:36,961 --> 00:19:40,001
Speaker 3: probably about sixty kilos. I'm ninety two now. I was

466
00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,001
Speaker 3: really sick and I was very mentally unwell. You know,

467
00:19:43,041 --> 00:19:45,321
Speaker 3: I was hearing voices and all sorts of stuff, and

468
00:19:45,481 --> 00:19:47,841
Speaker 3: I'd be sleeping once every three nights. I just got

469
00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:49,281
Speaker 3: to the point where I'm like, mate, I don't have

470
00:19:49,321 --> 00:19:50,721
Speaker 3: the strength to go on. I'd pushed everyone out of

471
00:19:50,761 --> 00:19:52,001
Speaker 3: my life. There was no one that would answer a

472
00:19:52,001 --> 00:19:54,881
Speaker 3: phone call to me. It was the pits. I made

473
00:19:54,921 --> 00:19:57,120
Speaker 3: a decision that day I was going to end my life.

474
00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:58,680
Speaker 3: You know, I had a pen and paper there I

475
00:19:58,681 --> 00:20:00,521
Speaker 3: wrote all letter to my mum and my little brother.

476
00:20:00,681 --> 00:20:02,960
Speaker 3: I hadn't seen him for a long time, and I

477
00:20:03,080 --> 00:20:04,880
Speaker 3: just said, listen, I love you, guys. I'm so sorry.

478
00:20:06,041 --> 00:20:08,360
Speaker 3: I just don't understand how my life got to this place.

479
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,801
Speaker 3: But please know it's not your fault. This is me.

480
00:20:10,961 --> 00:20:12,921
Speaker 3: I buggered this out, and I love you, and I'm

481
00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:14,760
Speaker 3: just so sorry. Because I knew it was going to

482
00:20:14,761 --> 00:20:19,001
Speaker 3: really hurt them, I went to kill myself. And just

483
00:20:19,041 --> 00:20:20,481
Speaker 3: as I was about to, and I mean as close

484
00:20:20,521 --> 00:20:23,120
Speaker 3: as it gets, I had this vision of my little

485
00:20:23,120 --> 00:20:24,801
Speaker 3: brother and I planned around the Christmas tree and it

486
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,160
Speaker 3: would have been nineteen eighty eight and Adam would have

487
00:20:27,201 --> 00:20:30,600
Speaker 3: been three and I would have been seven. And there's

488
00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,120
Speaker 3: this big, beautiful tree in our house, and we're at

489
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:34,680
Speaker 3: our family home, and my mum and dad were on

490
00:20:34,721 --> 00:20:36,961
Speaker 3: the lambs together and they looked so happy and full

491
00:20:37,001 --> 00:20:39,840
Speaker 3: of joy, and there's unwrapped presents all over the floor,

492
00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,600
Speaker 3: and there big beautiful green Christmas tree with a gold

493
00:20:42,640 --> 00:20:45,720
Speaker 3: star on top, and red and green tensil all around it,

494
00:20:45,801 --> 00:20:48,680
Speaker 3: and here I am literally about to kill myself, and

495
00:20:48,721 --> 00:20:51,400
Speaker 3: I can see my little brother running around the Christmas tree,

496
00:20:51,681 --> 00:20:53,761
Speaker 3: and there was this one particular moment where he turned

497
00:20:53,761 --> 00:20:56,120
Speaker 3: around and looked up at me, and I could seize

498
00:20:56,201 --> 00:20:58,321
Speaker 3: three year old little face and he just lit up

499
00:20:58,481 --> 00:21:00,681
Speaker 3: like I was his hero. You know, I can still

500
00:21:00,681 --> 00:21:02,360
Speaker 3: see it now, that look about him when he just

501
00:21:02,360 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: turned around and he just looked up at me like

502
00:21:03,961 --> 00:21:06,561
Speaker 3: I was his big brother, He's big hero. And I'd

503
00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:10,241
Speaker 3: forgotten that I hadn't even thought of those things for many,

504
00:21:10,281 --> 00:21:12,801
Speaker 3: many years. So at the last moment, I changed my

505
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,480
Speaker 3: mind and I decided I wasn't going to end my

506
00:21:14,521 --> 00:21:16,640
Speaker 3: life and that I was going to try and fight.

507
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,401
Speaker 3: And I walked down I think it was like four

508
00:21:19,481 --> 00:21:22,561
Speaker 3: kilometers to an internet cafe because they were a thing

509
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:26,160
Speaker 3: back then, and I punched in rehab. You know, this

510
00:21:26,241 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 3: place came up with the Salvation Army on the Central

511
00:21:28,681 --> 00:21:31,600
Speaker 3: coast and I rang them up and I said, this

512
00:21:31,721 --> 00:21:33,561
Speaker 3: mean I need some help, and told this lady in

513
00:21:33,561 --> 00:21:35,481
Speaker 3: my story, she's bowling her eyes out on the other end.

514
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:37,921
Speaker 3: And I got in there three months later.

515
00:21:38,120 --> 00:21:41,561
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, during part of this journey is where

516
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 2: I think the big chef came for you, Like obviously

517
00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:45,760
Speaker 2: not taking your life's a big chef, right, So you've

518
00:21:45,761 --> 00:21:47,920
Speaker 2: been making this going to rehab huge chef, But you

519
00:21:47,921 --> 00:21:49,281
Speaker 2: were still an angry man when you went into it.

520
00:21:49,281 --> 00:21:52,681
Speaker 3: One hundred percent. Yeap, very very broken, very angry. In fact,

521
00:21:52,681 --> 00:21:55,160
Speaker 3: I would say I was a very angry, broken fifteen

522
00:21:55,241 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 3: year old boy in a thirty two year old man's

523
00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:58,761
Speaker 3: body is what I was. And he couldn't say that

524
00:21:58,801 --> 00:22:00,281
Speaker 3: to me at the time. I would have slapped you,

525
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,400
Speaker 3: but not you, but that's what it was, right. So

526
00:22:02,441 --> 00:22:04,920
Speaker 3: I'm in this rehabit, I'm walking around like I'm the

527
00:22:05,201 --> 00:22:07,160
Speaker 3: a rehab like what to claim to fame? That is

528
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:09,001
Speaker 3: at thirty two, there's two hundred other clients. That was

529
00:22:09,041 --> 00:22:10,761
Speaker 3: a really big one, walk around like I run the show.

530
00:22:10,801 --> 00:22:13,041
Speaker 3: And had this great case worker, a really good guy.

531
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,561
Speaker 3: His name was Jimmy and he'd been through the shit

532
00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:17,080
Speaker 3: that I'd been through and come out the other end.

533
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:20,201
Speaker 3: So that was really important and that was very intentional

534
00:22:20,360 --> 00:22:23,001
Speaker 3: on the director's behalf to put me with that guy, right. Yeah,

535
00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:25,521
Speaker 3: he was really smart. He just let me run my

536
00:22:25,561 --> 00:22:26,721
Speaker 3: own race for a while, gave me a bit of

537
00:22:26,801 --> 00:22:29,921
Speaker 3: rogue and eventually some shit would happen, and he pulled

538
00:22:29,921 --> 00:22:31,041
Speaker 3: me in and so listen, now it's not for you and

539
00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 3: me to do some work, you know. You know, we

540
00:22:33,120 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 3: had to start digging deep and figuring out what was

541
00:22:35,201 --> 00:22:38,920
Speaker 3: going on. Probably the first pivotal transformational moment of my

542
00:22:39,001 --> 00:22:42,361
Speaker 3: life was a few weeks into that program and had

543
00:22:42,360 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 3: a chapel there and I used to get it chapel

544
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,360
Speaker 3: on Wednesday nights. I'd never really been the chapel before,

545
00:22:46,481 --> 00:22:48,281
Speaker 3: but it was something that I was sort of piram

546
00:22:48,321 --> 00:22:50,801
Speaker 3: my head into opened how I look at Anyway, I

547
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:52,041
Speaker 3: was out of the front of the chapel and at

548
00:22:52,041 --> 00:22:54,081
Speaker 3: the time, I was on a phone call to then

549
00:22:54,120 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 3: on and off again ex partner. You know, she was

550
00:22:57,080 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 3: a very broken ice addict as well. She was somewhere

551
00:23:00,761 --> 00:23:03,801
Speaker 3: else in the country in another state, and we were

552
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 3: both very toxic, abusive, and you know, we'd scream at

553
00:23:06,721 --> 00:23:09,281
Speaker 3: each other and cause each other horrible names. And I

554
00:23:09,321 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 3: was on the phone out the front of the chapel

555
00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:13,001
Speaker 3: one afternoon and I'm screaming abuse and I can't remember what.

556
00:23:13,041 --> 00:23:15,561
Speaker 3: I was like, I hate you, and she's like yeah,

557
00:23:16,001 --> 00:23:17,721
Speaker 3: and blah blah blah, She's screaming at me, and I'm

558
00:23:17,761 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 3: screaming back at her, and veins are popping out and

559
00:23:20,441 --> 00:23:23,201
Speaker 3: I'm just losing it. And as I'm doing that, this

560
00:23:23,321 --> 00:23:25,160
Speaker 3: little lady walks out of the chapel and I'd never

561
00:23:25,160 --> 00:23:26,641
Speaker 3: seen it before, and she walked up to me, cool

562
00:23:26,681 --> 00:23:30,041
Speaker 3: as a cucumber, and like I'm mid venom going people

563
00:23:30,041 --> 00:23:32,921
Speaker 3: are running for their lives, and she goes, excuse me, mate,

564
00:23:32,921 --> 00:23:34,921
Speaker 3: you need to come inside, tumbles about the start right.

565
00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,521
Speaker 3: I just turned around and gave her the mouthful of

566
00:23:38,561 --> 00:23:41,960
Speaker 3: her life, like just every name under the sun, use

567
00:23:41,961 --> 00:23:44,321
Speaker 3: your imagination. We won't use that language for the listeners.

568
00:23:44,360 --> 00:23:46,001
Speaker 3: But I went nuts, called her everything and she's just

569
00:23:46,041 --> 00:23:47,920
Speaker 3: gone right o, mate, and she's gone back into the chapel,

570
00:23:47,921 --> 00:23:50,521
Speaker 3: and I haven't given another thought and anyway, put the

571
00:23:50,521 --> 00:23:52,321
Speaker 3: phone down. I'm sitting at the table similar to this,

572
00:23:52,360 --> 00:23:54,801
Speaker 3: and I'm stealing an anger. And as I'm sitting there

573
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: all frustrated about the conversation I just had with Max,

574
00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,721
Speaker 3: one of the clients on the program really carefully walked

575
00:23:59,721 --> 00:24:02,561
Speaker 3: over to me and he goes, oh, Maddy, do you

576
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:05,561
Speaker 3: know that was bro? I go who He goes, mate,

577
00:24:05,561 --> 00:24:09,801
Speaker 3: that's the boss's wife, and I just, oh, no, stops

578
00:24:09,801 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 3: your blood. You can feel it.

579
00:24:11,561 --> 00:24:12,241
Speaker 1: I'm out of here.

580
00:24:12,681 --> 00:24:16,121
Speaker 3: No, And I'm sitting there and just going no, you're idiot. Now,

581
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 3: for context, it actually took three months on a waiting

582
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,761
Speaker 3: list to get into that rear, as close as you

583
00:24:20,761 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 3: get to committing suicide. And so I made it in

584
00:24:23,921 --> 00:24:25,200
Speaker 3: there by the skin of my tooth. And this was

585
00:24:25,241 --> 00:24:27,521
Speaker 3: my last chance. There was no other chance for me.

586
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,480
Speaker 3: I'd burned every bridge, every opportunity had expired, and this

587
00:24:31,681 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 3: was the very last chance that I had. And I

588
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,361
Speaker 3: bugged it up again like I always do, except this

589
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,840
Speaker 3: time it's going to be my last. And I know

590
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:40,041
Speaker 3: what's going to happen. Signs all over the rehab no

591
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 3: threats of violence. She's going to come out with the

592
00:24:42,681 --> 00:24:46,001
Speaker 3: security guard on site, and they're going to tell me

593
00:24:46,001 --> 00:24:47,561
Speaker 3: to paint my bags, drop me off at the train

594
00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 3: station down the road. I'm just sitting there to flate it.

595
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's it, that's game over. You're an idiot.

596
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 3: You've done it again, you buged it up, and this

597
00:24:55,041 --> 00:24:56,801
Speaker 3: time I just don't have the will to go on.

598
00:24:56,961 --> 00:24:58,600
Speaker 3: I'm not going back to the park. I don't have

599
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:00,360
Speaker 3: any money. No one's going to lend me twenty bucks.

600
00:25:00,360 --> 00:25:02,761
Speaker 3: I mean I had literally a plastic bag, a couple

601
00:25:02,761 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 3: of clothes. I'm done. That's it. And so what I decided,

602
00:25:06,681 --> 00:25:08,921
Speaker 3: sadly was that when they dropped me at the train station,

603
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:10,961
Speaker 3: I was going to jump in front of trying to

604
00:25:11,041 --> 00:25:15,680
Speaker 3: finish myself off, so which was pretty scary, right, but

605
00:25:15,721 --> 00:25:17,721
Speaker 3: I was ready to go. That was it. They didn't

606
00:25:17,761 --> 00:25:20,321
Speaker 3: know that, right, And so what happens next changes my life.

607
00:25:21,160 --> 00:25:23,441
Speaker 3: This lady walks out with the security guard, cool as

608
00:25:23,441 --> 00:25:26,801
Speaker 3: a cucumber, and I'm sitting there, deflated, head in my lap,

609
00:25:26,961 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 3: going this is over. I've got nothing left, not even

610
00:25:28,561 --> 00:25:32,881
Speaker 3: going to try. She walks over to me real carefully says, mate,

611
00:25:32,921 --> 00:25:34,801
Speaker 3: can you stand up please? And I'm like yeah, So

612
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 3: I stood up, my hands in my pockets, looking at

613
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:42,200
Speaker 3: the floor. She really delicately assessed what was going on

614
00:25:42,281 --> 00:25:44,120
Speaker 3: for me, and then she walked in underneath me, and

615
00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:45,840
Speaker 3: her face got right in underneath me like that.

616
00:25:46,120 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 4: She looked up at me and she goes, mate, would

617
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 4: you mind if I gave you a hug? And I

618
00:25:51,321 --> 00:25:54,960
Speaker 4: just went, what what do you mean? I could not

619
00:25:55,321 --> 00:25:57,201
Speaker 4: fathom what she was asking me. What do you mean

620
00:25:57,561 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 4: you want to hug me? And she just looked at

621
00:25:59,521 --> 00:26:01,521
Speaker 4: me like I was you know, I should know the answer.

622
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:03,521
Speaker 4: She is, can I give you a hug? And I

623
00:26:03,561 --> 00:26:07,080
Speaker 4: said why? He says, well, obviously, because I love you.

624
00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,961
Speaker 3: Mate. I couldn't believe it, and I just went what

625
00:26:10,241 --> 00:26:12,001
Speaker 3: she goes, come here, I'm not going to hurt you.

626
00:26:12,921 --> 00:26:16,041
Speaker 3: And I just awkwardly lean in and I honestly, mate,

627
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,840
Speaker 3: I can't remember the last time I had argu and

628
00:26:18,921 --> 00:26:22,041
Speaker 3: this beautiful little lady just wrapped her arms around me.

629
00:26:22,281 --> 00:26:24,161
Speaker 3: She put her hands on my head and she said, mate,

630
00:26:24,201 --> 00:26:26,481
Speaker 3: we love you, it's okay, You're safe for you. We're

631
00:26:26,521 --> 00:26:29,801
Speaker 3: not going to hurt you. And I just exploded, mate.

632
00:26:30,160 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: I hadn't cried that my dad's funeral. Sadly, I was

633
00:26:33,681 --> 00:26:38,600
Speaker 3: just so high and just so numb in this loving

634
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,281
Speaker 3: embrace of this beautiful woman. Her name's Rachel McDonald. She

635
00:26:42,321 --> 00:26:44,160
Speaker 3: just wouldn't let me go. She just kept saying, we

636
00:26:44,201 --> 00:26:46,721
Speaker 3: love you, it's okay. And I just exploded, mate. I mean,

637
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:49,440
Speaker 3: you know, twenty years of tears just puff for a

638
00:26:49,481 --> 00:26:52,400
Speaker 3: moment there. I just stopped caring about anyone watching. I

639
00:26:52,481 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 3: just didn't care, you know, like it was the end

640
00:26:54,561 --> 00:26:56,360
Speaker 3: of the road for me, Like I was so close.

641
00:26:57,281 --> 00:26:59,081
Speaker 3: Most of the world said, hey, listen, you can tell

642
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,121
Speaker 3: him to piss off. You should tell him to piss off.

643
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:04,200
Speaker 3: You should tell him to get gone, put him on

644
00:27:04,201 --> 00:27:05,801
Speaker 3: the bus, and tell him to bugger off. That's what

645
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,801
Speaker 3: most people would say. And she said, well, no, no, no, no,

646
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:11,481
Speaker 3: My creator has called me to be much much greater

647
00:27:11,561 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 3: than that. But particularly in those moments, particularly in the

648
00:27:14,441 --> 00:27:16,801
Speaker 3: moments where the world will say it's okay for you

649
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 3: to tell this guy to piss off, that's when she knew.

650
00:27:20,681 --> 00:27:23,200
Speaker 3: They're the moment's opportunity. That's when I stand up and

651
00:27:23,241 --> 00:27:25,561
Speaker 3: I show this guy love and grace and it will

652
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 3: transform his life. She was as wise as they come. She

653
00:27:28,681 --> 00:27:31,001
Speaker 3: knew that. And I know her today. Obviously she's a

654
00:27:31,001 --> 00:27:33,921
Speaker 3: good maid of mine. She's a wonderful human being. And

655
00:27:33,961 --> 00:27:35,681
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just one of the thousands of people

656
00:27:35,761 --> 00:27:38,041
Speaker 3: she would have done that too. But she was wise

657
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:42,360
Speaker 3: enough to understand that about the human psyche, about spirituality,

658
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:43,561
Speaker 3: she just got it.

659
00:27:43,561 --> 00:27:45,961
Speaker 2: It's what empathy is, right, Like I mean, in her case,

660
00:27:46,001 --> 00:27:48,481
Speaker 2: it was kind of it was on steroids. Zip that's

661
00:27:48,521 --> 00:27:51,360
Speaker 2: what's lacking and for me with leadership, it seems to

662
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,680
Speaker 2: be the last thing that people are considering the power

663
00:27:53,761 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: of it, the power of being her to just hold

664
00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:59,001
Speaker 2: someone's emotions, but building that connection. It's funny you mentioned

665
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,001
Speaker 2: hug because I'm such an advocate for hugging like a

666
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:02,681
Speaker 2: thirty second.

667
00:28:02,721 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 1: Obviously it's but weird if I huged Di everone for

668
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: thirty seconds.

669
00:28:04,721 --> 00:28:07,401
Speaker 2: But wherever possible, when I can brief you in advance,

670
00:28:07,441 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 2: if I hug you for thirty seconds, it's because it

671
00:28:10,120 --> 00:28:12,561
Speaker 2: releases oxytocin, and you like it's this connection.

672
00:28:12,561 --> 00:28:13,841
Speaker 1: It's an amazing feeling.

673
00:28:14,521 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 2: I think that love she had for you in that moment,

674
00:28:16,521 --> 00:28:18,440
Speaker 2: and there's misunderstanding that love just has to be like

675
00:28:18,441 --> 00:28:20,680
Speaker 2: intimate love. It's just a love from one person to another.

676
00:28:21,201 --> 00:28:22,640
Speaker 2: What a saving grace that was for you.

677
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:24,921
Speaker 3: She saved my life, she did. She saved my life.

678
00:28:24,961 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: And you know, I wish I could tell you.

679
00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:28,041
Speaker 1: I think you saved your life, Matt. I think she

680
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,721
Speaker 1: showed you away.

681
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,881
Speaker 3: I think in my case, it was the right ingredients

682
00:28:31,921 --> 00:28:34,041
Speaker 3: for the perfect recipe at the right time. I just

683
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,321
Speaker 3: feel very fortunate that things happen the way they did.

684
00:28:36,721 --> 00:28:38,161
Speaker 3: I wish I could tell you, I woke up the

685
00:28:38,161 --> 00:28:42,321
Speaker 3: next day and was this amazing new guy, like just

686
00:28:43,441 --> 00:28:45,401
Speaker 3: mover and shake out, Like suddenly, let's just take over

687
00:28:45,441 --> 00:28:48,441
Speaker 3: the world because my life has changed. Didn't work that way,

688
00:28:48,441 --> 00:28:51,401
Speaker 3: It never does, Right. What did happen is I realized

689
00:28:51,441 --> 00:28:54,841
Speaker 3: I was in a place where started to feel safe

690
00:28:54,841 --> 00:28:57,041
Speaker 3: for the first time in my life. I'd never felt

691
00:28:57,081 --> 00:28:58,881
Speaker 3: that before. I hadn't felt that since I was a

692
00:28:59,041 --> 00:29:01,761
Speaker 3: very little boy. Right. And what happens is when you

693
00:29:01,801 --> 00:29:04,721
Speaker 3: don't feel safe, you're always moving, you can never sit.

694
00:29:05,481 --> 00:29:07,681
Speaker 3: So I'm in this program and I have this moment,

695
00:29:07,801 --> 00:29:10,321
Speaker 3: this revelation of being in a place where I can

696
00:29:10,521 --> 00:29:13,161
Speaker 3: actually stop for a while, right, And you know, then

697
00:29:13,201 --> 00:29:15,681
Speaker 3: we start doing the twelve steps and all that stuff.

698
00:29:15,681 --> 00:29:17,521
Speaker 3: And I mean, I remember when I went into rehab.

699
00:29:17,521 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 3: I couldn't watch a thirty minute TV show. Honestly, I

700
00:29:20,241 --> 00:29:23,121
Speaker 3: remember that I'd sit in the cabin and I'd put

701
00:29:23,121 --> 00:29:25,881
Speaker 3: on a TV show and I just couldn't watch the

702
00:29:25,921 --> 00:29:28,841
Speaker 3: whole thing. YEA, me having to sit with my emotions

703
00:29:29,121 --> 00:29:33,081
Speaker 3: for the first time since you know, twelve or something, right,

704
00:29:33,521 --> 00:29:35,641
Speaker 3: In other words, never what I did to deal with

705
00:29:35,641 --> 00:29:37,361
Speaker 3: that is a move. We've got to get out I've

706
00:29:37,361 --> 00:29:40,281
Speaker 3: got to do something right that's really unhealthy. And so

707
00:29:40,921 --> 00:29:43,041
Speaker 3: that's what started for me in that place. But it

708
00:29:43,161 --> 00:29:46,881
Speaker 3: started because she made me aware that I was in

709
00:29:46,921 --> 00:29:49,521
Speaker 3: a place where I could get well and I could

710
00:29:49,561 --> 00:29:50,361
Speaker 3: start that work.

711
00:29:50,801 --> 00:29:52,241
Speaker 2: What we haven't talked about it is that you've gone

712
00:29:52,281 --> 00:29:54,921
Speaker 2: on to have like where you've reached in your career. Now,

713
00:29:55,161 --> 00:29:57,161
Speaker 2: people who have started at nineteen, you know what I mean,

714
00:29:57,201 --> 00:29:59,161
Speaker 2: are still going there. So it's just a testament to

715
00:29:59,721 --> 00:30:01,921
Speaker 2: the way you turned your life around. But how soon

716
00:30:01,921 --> 00:30:03,921
Speaker 2: between leaving rehab and then starting your job. I think

717
00:30:03,921 --> 00:30:05,681
Speaker 2: it was at High Pages as your first, wasn't it.

718
00:30:05,761 --> 00:30:08,161
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I left the REB in twenty thirteen, so

719
00:30:08,201 --> 00:30:10,721
Speaker 3: that's eleven years ago, and then I started at High

720
00:30:10,801 --> 00:30:13,881
Speaker 3: Pages sort of six months later and made at the time,

721
00:30:13,921 --> 00:30:15,681
Speaker 3: I was just about to give up because I tried

722
00:30:15,681 --> 00:30:17,161
Speaker 3: to get so many jobs and they kept saying no.

723
00:30:17,761 --> 00:30:19,721
Speaker 3: And then at the last minute, I got this job

724
00:30:19,761 --> 00:30:21,881
Speaker 3: for this company High Pages, and I remember walking in

725
00:30:21,921 --> 00:30:24,521
Speaker 3: the door and looking around and going wow, Like at

726
00:30:24,521 --> 00:30:27,801
Speaker 3: the time, you know, I had this really high energy

727
00:30:27,961 --> 00:30:30,321
Speaker 3: sales office. I think that would have been about three

728
00:30:30,361 --> 00:30:33,161
Speaker 3: hundred odd employees in the business at the time, and

729
00:30:33,321 --> 00:30:36,401
Speaker 3: it was just pumping. I remember I remember walking in

730
00:30:36,401 --> 00:30:39,361
Speaker 3: and going, Wow, this is job bluck and everyone was

731
00:30:39,401 --> 00:30:41,841
Speaker 3: just having such a good time. You know. High Pages

732
00:30:41,921 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 3: was so progressive. They were all over the culture. For me,

733
00:30:44,321 --> 00:30:47,321
Speaker 3: it felt very much like it was googlesque. Yeah. They

734
00:30:47,321 --> 00:30:49,801
Speaker 3: were just very ahead of the curve. You know, won

735
00:30:49,801 --> 00:30:51,481
Speaker 3: all the Great Places to Work awards and all that

736
00:30:51,521 --> 00:30:53,641
Speaker 3: sort of just still weren't winning them today. But I

737
00:30:53,681 --> 00:30:55,841
Speaker 3: was really fortunate. There was this great guy called David

738
00:30:55,921 --> 00:30:58,761
Speaker 3: v Tech who this day is one of my best mates.

739
00:30:58,801 --> 00:31:01,521
Speaker 3: He was the co founder and co CEO. Robbie Sharon

740
00:31:01,641 --> 00:31:03,521
Speaker 3: Zips is the other CEO, great guy as well, but

741
00:31:03,881 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: Dave and I particularly struck a chord. And Dave was

742
00:31:07,041 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: just a really empathetic guy, like he sat down and

743
00:31:10,921 --> 00:31:13,241
Speaker 3: listened to my story and in fact, when I went

744
00:31:13,281 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 3: for the role, they had found things about me and

745
00:31:15,761 --> 00:31:17,641
Speaker 3: took that to Dave and said, hey, listen, we really

746
00:31:17,681 --> 00:31:20,241
Speaker 3: like this guy, but there's this and he's like, oh,

747
00:31:20,441 --> 00:31:22,841
Speaker 3: tell me more. Whereas everyone else would have shut it down,

748
00:31:22,881 --> 00:31:25,161
Speaker 3: he was like, Okay, well this guy's he's done a

749
00:31:25,161 --> 00:31:28,041
Speaker 3: bit of work since this and sounds like he's really

750
00:31:28,041 --> 00:31:30,361
Speaker 3: having a crack at putting his life together. Quote unquote,

751
00:31:30,361 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: this is what Dave said. I told my team that

752
00:31:32,561 --> 00:31:34,641
Speaker 3: someone needs to give this guy a go. He was

753
00:31:34,681 --> 00:31:37,321
Speaker 3: the first person to do that. Okay, you know I

754
00:31:37,361 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 3: felt I didn't belong there. I'm an ex gang member

755
00:31:40,681 --> 00:31:44,001
Speaker 3: X crackhead covered in tattoos. You know, I look like

756
00:31:44,041 --> 00:31:47,081
Speaker 3: a twat compared to everyone else in this office. I

757
00:31:47,161 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 3: clearly stand out. I remember when I started studying business

758
00:31:50,521 --> 00:31:52,841
Speaker 3: at the rear, people would say, mate, you should probably

759
00:31:52,841 --> 00:31:55,641
Speaker 3: study dragging alcohol counseling and head down that career path

760
00:31:55,641 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 3: because now I was going to take you seriously in

761
00:31:57,401 --> 00:31:58,281
Speaker 3: executive sales.

762
00:31:58,361 --> 00:31:59,761
Speaker 2: Well they did take you seriously because you go on

763
00:31:59,801 --> 00:32:01,841
Speaker 2: to become the national sales manager for my Pages and

764
00:32:01,921 --> 00:32:05,081
Speaker 2: absolutely kill it, start your own business post that, and

765
00:32:05,081 --> 00:32:07,401
Speaker 2: obviously now in your chief growth officer at Tactic, which

766
00:32:07,441 --> 00:32:10,281
Speaker 2: is just incredible. What I know of you, Maddie, the

767
00:32:10,361 --> 00:32:13,001
Speaker 2: A and the V of brave, authentic and vulnerable.

768
00:32:13,241 --> 00:32:15,001
Speaker 1: That is, you do a team right. You kind of

769
00:32:15,041 --> 00:32:15,401
Speaker 1: have to be.

770
00:32:15,761 --> 00:32:18,321
Speaker 2: But there's a price to pay for being authentic, right,

771
00:32:18,401 --> 00:32:20,200
Speaker 2: because not everyone's going to like it.

772
00:32:20,521 --> 00:32:20,681
Speaker 3: Right.

773
00:32:20,721 --> 00:32:22,761
Speaker 2: So this guy, Dave, gave you a chance. As it

774
00:32:22,841 --> 00:32:26,321
Speaker 2: mentioned the beginning, Saint Vinie's. Obviously you are the brand

775
00:32:26,321 --> 00:32:29,561
Speaker 2: ambassador for the CEO Sleepout. You are the team lid

776
00:32:29,561 --> 00:32:32,681
Speaker 2: of the Goats, which raise half a million last year.

777
00:32:32,761 --> 00:32:35,081
Speaker 1: You've gone crazy Maddie style and let's double it.

778
00:32:35,161 --> 00:32:38,081
Speaker 3: So what I love about Vinnie's and what we're doing

779
00:32:38,241 --> 00:32:40,641
Speaker 3: in the Goats team. So the Goats team, which stands

780
00:32:40,641 --> 00:32:42,761
Speaker 3: for the greatest of all time Sleepout team, just because

781
00:32:42,761 --> 00:32:45,761
Speaker 3: we had lack of creative thinking at the time we

782
00:32:45,841 --> 00:32:47,601
Speaker 3: built this team. You know, we're sitting around a water

783
00:32:47,641 --> 00:32:49,561
Speaker 3: fountain a made of mine, Andrea Vandamir and I am

784
00:32:49,601 --> 00:32:51,721
Speaker 3: and we're like, hey, how can we increase our impact

785
00:32:51,761 --> 00:32:54,521
Speaker 3: to Vini's. How do we raise more money? Andre's like, hey,

786
00:32:54,521 --> 00:32:57,041
Speaker 3: why don't we see how much the highest what's the

787
00:32:57,081 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: highest amount of funds raised by team? The Sleepout's been

788
00:33:00,001 --> 00:33:02,241
Speaker 3: going for twenty years. Next year across Australia we raise

789
00:33:02,281 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 3: about give or take ten million bucks on the coldest

790
00:33:04,521 --> 00:33:06,881
Speaker 3: nide of the year right across the country and all

791
00:33:06,881 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 3: that money is to support Sivincent de Paul Society. What

792
00:33:09,561 --> 00:33:11,601
Speaker 3: we found out was that the highest funds raised was

793
00:33:11,601 --> 00:33:13,521
Speaker 3: about two hundred and fifty grand and Andre and I

794
00:33:13,601 --> 00:33:15,641
Speaker 3: went man we can break that. We can do that easy, right,

795
00:33:15,681 --> 00:33:17,641
Speaker 3: So we built the Goats team two years ago. In

796
00:33:17,681 --> 00:33:21,761
Speaker 3: twenty two we had I think sixty four Goats members

797
00:33:22,281 --> 00:33:25,480
Speaker 3: brought together, you know, amazing leaders within our network. We

798
00:33:25,601 --> 00:33:28,361
Speaker 3: raised three hundred and ten thousand dollars, right, which was great,

799
00:33:28,401 --> 00:33:31,361
Speaker 3: So we broke the record highest fundraising team, highest amount

800
00:33:31,401 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 3: of participants. Last year we went back again and said, hey,

801
00:33:33,521 --> 00:33:35,720
Speaker 3: let's break around record. Let's raise half a million bucks.

802
00:33:35,801 --> 00:33:38,641
Speaker 3: We raised five hundred and seven five hundred. So over

803
00:33:38,681 --> 00:33:40,521
Speaker 3: the last twenty four months we've raised eight hundred and

804
00:33:40,601 --> 00:33:43,761
Speaker 3: seventeen thousand, five hundred dollars. Now, why that's an important number,

805
00:33:44,281 --> 00:33:46,521
Speaker 3: and this is what particularly moves me is that Vini's

806
00:33:46,561 --> 00:33:49,081
Speaker 3: Queensland are currently in the process of rolling out five

807
00:33:49,161 --> 00:33:51,561
Speaker 3: hundred homes. So we're committed to building five hundred homes

808
00:33:51,601 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: in five years. Tell me a more noble cause at

809
00:33:54,481 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 3: the moment than actually building homes, right, like for people

810
00:33:57,481 --> 00:34:01,201
Speaker 3: that are homeless or experiencing homelessness. So every one hundred

811
00:34:01,201 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 3: and forty thousand dollars that we raise, every dollar of

812
00:34:04,441 --> 00:34:07,281
Speaker 3: that goes to wreckly one hundred and forty thousand dollars

813
00:34:07,401 --> 00:34:09,241
Speaker 3: is the equity stack that we need to build one

814
00:34:09,281 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: of those homes. So ever, one hundred and forty grand

815
00:34:11,481 --> 00:34:13,481
Speaker 3: that the Ghats Team raises, we build one home. So

816
00:34:13,761 --> 00:34:16,281
Speaker 3: we have built so far just shy of six homes.

817
00:34:16,761 --> 00:34:21,321
Speaker 3: This year, we are bringing together the most influential, impactful

818
00:34:21,521 --> 00:34:24,521
Speaker 3: community of Brisbane based leaders and we're into the Goats

819
00:34:24,521 --> 00:34:26,521
Speaker 3: Team and we're going to raise a million dollars. We're

820
00:34:26,521 --> 00:34:28,961
Speaker 3: going to raise at least a million dollars that will

821
00:34:29,041 --> 00:34:32,041
Speaker 3: provide Venie Queensland with another seven homes, so that will

822
00:34:32,441 --> 00:34:35,241
Speaker 3: take it to thirteen homes that we've built. And you know,

823
00:34:35,321 --> 00:34:38,041
Speaker 3: that's a really powerful story for me. You only need

824
00:34:38,081 --> 00:34:40,521
Speaker 3: to look at my life at about fourteen fifteen to

825
00:34:40,601 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 3: realize what's about to happen to you, Mate, is going

826
00:34:45,041 --> 00:34:49,041
Speaker 3: to completely demolish the next two decades of your life completely.

827
00:34:49,481 --> 00:34:52,401
Speaker 3: Those two years on the streets, sleeping in the rain

828
00:34:52,841 --> 00:34:56,081
Speaker 3: in parks, not knowing where my food's coming from as

829
00:34:56,121 --> 00:34:59,681
Speaker 3: a fifteen year old boy. That ruined me. Honestly, Mate,

830
00:34:59,681 --> 00:35:02,761
Speaker 3: It had such a traumatic effect on the next two

831
00:35:02,761 --> 00:35:04,921
Speaker 3: decades of my life and it took me two d

832
00:35:05,041 --> 00:35:07,881
Speaker 3: decades to figure out who I was, where I fit.

833
00:35:08,041 --> 00:35:10,521
Speaker 3: There's still parts of me that I'm figuring out today obviously, right,

834
00:35:10,761 --> 00:35:12,441
Speaker 3: but it all came from that moment. And I just

835
00:35:12,481 --> 00:35:15,161
Speaker 3: think to myself, like, if I can stop that happening,

836
00:35:15,201 --> 00:35:16,921
Speaker 3: and you think about all the lives along the way

837
00:35:16,921 --> 00:35:19,681
Speaker 3: that I've impacted in a horrible way for two decades

838
00:35:19,761 --> 00:35:22,761
Speaker 3: is decad right, And I think about if we can

839
00:35:22,841 --> 00:35:25,561
Speaker 3: stop that from happening, even to one family, even to

840
00:35:25,641 --> 00:35:29,281
Speaker 3: one young boy or one young girl, we stop such

841
00:35:29,281 --> 00:35:31,961
Speaker 3: a huge ripple effect, then right, We're not going to

842
00:35:31,961 --> 00:35:33,321
Speaker 3: stop it for one or two. We're going to stop

843
00:35:33,321 --> 00:35:33,961
Speaker 3: it for stacks.

844
00:35:34,121 --> 00:35:36,841
Speaker 2: What staggers me time and time again is people are

845
00:35:36,841 --> 00:35:38,361
Speaker 2: crazy if they think it will never happen to them.

846
00:35:38,761 --> 00:35:39,881
Speaker 1: It's anyone, Like, it's not.

847
00:35:39,841 --> 00:35:42,241
Speaker 2: Always your story right where it starts from a youth

848
00:35:42,321 --> 00:35:45,241
Speaker 2: and a life of crime. It's often people who are

849
00:35:45,281 --> 00:35:48,481
Speaker 2: actually a normalized and something happens right an illness, a

850
00:35:48,561 --> 00:35:52,801
Speaker 2: marriage breakdown, you know, mental health issue was everybody it

851
00:35:52,881 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 2: is and it can happen like.

852
00:35:53,881 --> 00:35:57,401
Speaker 3: That, Stevens or bullshit. We will start fundraising next year.

853
00:35:57,481 --> 00:36:00,041
Speaker 3: At the beginning of next year. What I'll be focusing

854
00:36:00,161 --> 00:36:03,041
Speaker 3: my efforts on between now and Christmas is to be

855
00:36:03,081 --> 00:36:05,641
Speaker 3: funneling those big leaders in my network to the team.

856
00:36:06,201 --> 00:36:08,241
Speaker 3: My aim is to have one hundred leaders in the

857
00:36:08,241 --> 00:36:12,001
Speaker 3: team by Christmas and have circa one hundred and fifty

858
00:36:12,041 --> 00:36:14,761
Speaker 3: by the event on the nineteenth of June. I actually

859
00:36:14,761 --> 00:36:16,841
Speaker 3: wasn't going to build the ghostem again this year. Really,

860
00:36:16,881 --> 00:36:18,881
Speaker 3: it takes a lot out of here, right, And then

861
00:36:18,881 --> 00:36:20,881
Speaker 3: I just sort of took a moment, stood back and

862
00:36:20,921 --> 00:36:23,921
Speaker 3: looked at what was happening, and the momentum was too strong.

863
00:36:24,561 --> 00:36:28,521
Speaker 3: I could just see this great community of really influential

864
00:36:29,241 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 3: and amazing leaders in Brisbane coming together that haven't come

865
00:36:33,481 --> 00:36:37,001
Speaker 3: together before, many of which we now feel somewhat responsible

866
00:36:37,001 --> 00:36:40,081
Speaker 3: for bringing together, which is great, right. They're just creating

867
00:36:40,081 --> 00:36:42,961
Speaker 3: a bit of a movement and it's just expanding to

868
00:36:43,041 --> 00:36:45,241
Speaker 3: the point where I was like, we can't stop this. Now,

869
00:36:45,481 --> 00:36:47,441
Speaker 3: there's no way we can stop this. This is actually

870
00:36:47,521 --> 00:36:50,241
Speaker 3: so much more important than the money. I mean, that

871
00:36:50,281 --> 00:36:53,081
Speaker 3: sounds funny, right, coming from someone that's about to try

872
00:36:53,121 --> 00:36:54,921
Speaker 3: and raise a million bucks, but it is actually more

873
00:36:54,921 --> 00:36:57,881
Speaker 3: important than money because what I realized about me is

874
00:36:58,081 --> 00:37:01,281
Speaker 3: my greatest skill set, This is when I started to

875
00:37:01,321 --> 00:37:05,481
Speaker 3: become a successful executive, is bringing great people together to

876
00:37:05,561 --> 00:37:09,201
Speaker 3: solve complex problems. I'm certainly not brilliant, and what I

877
00:37:09,241 --> 00:37:11,721
Speaker 3: am is very good at bringing the right people together.

878
00:37:12,041 --> 00:37:14,201
Speaker 3: And so now that I've done this enough and it's

879
00:37:14,201 --> 00:37:16,201
Speaker 3: starting to get its own, you know, like the curve

880
00:37:16,321 --> 00:37:19,441
Speaker 3: and it starts to just get its own or gaming. Yeah,

881
00:37:19,481 --> 00:37:21,841
Speaker 3: it's starting to happen. People are ringing me, going, hey mate,

882
00:37:21,841 --> 00:37:23,721
Speaker 3: can I join the Goat something? You can join the

883
00:37:23,761 --> 00:37:24,241
Speaker 3: Ghats team.

884
00:37:24,241 --> 00:37:25,601
Speaker 2: But I think it comes back down fact thing you

885
00:37:25,601 --> 00:37:28,361
Speaker 2: said earlier, right, which is it's being part of something bigger,

886
00:37:28,481 --> 00:37:29,601
Speaker 2: it's giving to other people.

887
00:37:29,601 --> 00:37:31,161
Speaker 1: It's that feel good that comes with it.

888
00:37:31,241 --> 00:37:34,041
Speaker 2: So when it does open, you know, to anyone listening

889
00:37:34,081 --> 00:37:35,881
Speaker 2: to the podcast, I feel like you've got to have

890
00:37:35,921 --> 00:37:37,881
Speaker 2: a moment where you go buy that coffee, where you

891
00:37:37,921 --> 00:37:39,441
Speaker 2: go buy that bottle of wine, whatever the heck, your

892
00:37:39,521 --> 00:37:42,841
Speaker 2: vice is right. The feeling you get when you donate

893
00:37:42,921 --> 00:37:46,121
Speaker 2: that bet to this cause amazing great.

894
00:37:46,121 --> 00:37:47,841
Speaker 1: And so I'll be back on it. I'll be back

895
00:37:47,841 --> 00:37:48,761
Speaker 1: sleeping next year.

896
00:37:48,841 --> 00:37:50,201
Speaker 3: I only had one question for you today.

897
00:37:50,321 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: Can't bring you on here. I'm not perci.

898
00:37:52,801 --> 00:37:55,481
Speaker 3: I'm going to do it officially. Will you join the

899
00:37:55,481 --> 00:37:56,960
Speaker 3: Goats team for twenty twenty five?

900
00:37:57,201 --> 00:37:59,761
Speaker 1: I am in I'm going to go man, that's not

901
00:37:59,801 --> 00:38:02,601
Speaker 1: a goat. No, that's not a noise.

902
00:38:03,161 --> 00:38:05,321
Speaker 2: We've got to wrap this up because, frankly, you probably

903
00:38:05,361 --> 00:38:07,321
Speaker 2: got nine other networking meetings to have after this.

904
00:38:07,601 --> 00:38:11,281
Speaker 1: But you love solving problems. What problem haven't you solved yet?

905
00:38:11,761 --> 00:38:13,721
Speaker 3: To be honest, the problem I want to solve is homelessness.

906
00:38:13,801 --> 00:38:15,681
Speaker 3: I honestly think it's solvable.

907
00:38:15,801 --> 00:38:18,161
Speaker 2: Just a small goal, but one I love and I

908
00:38:18,201 --> 00:38:19,641
Speaker 2: will be on that journey out of year.

909
00:38:19,801 --> 00:38:20,041
Speaker 3: Nice.

910
00:38:20,121 --> 00:38:26,441
Speaker 1: Let's go back to Crinullah fifteen year old Maddie. What's

911
00:38:26,481 --> 00:38:30,521
Speaker 1: the one thing he needs to hear right now? Oh man,

912
00:38:32,001 --> 00:38:33,041
Speaker 1: what do you want to tell him?

913
00:38:33,201 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 3: I can show you a better way. I can show

914
00:38:36,001 --> 00:38:39,601
Speaker 3: you a better way that he's just gonna bring you

915
00:38:39,681 --> 00:38:44,041
Speaker 3: so much joy, take away so much pain. Just come

916
00:38:44,081 --> 00:38:46,321
Speaker 3: this way with me. Let me show you. That's what

917
00:38:46,361 --> 00:38:47,921
Speaker 3: I'd say, and I'd give him a big hug.

918
00:38:48,881 --> 00:38:52,121
Speaker 1: I love that, Mannie. It's been an absolute pleasure.

919
00:38:52,161 --> 00:38:54,961
Speaker 2: You bring joy into everyone you meet. I can't wait

920
00:38:55,001 --> 00:38:56,801
Speaker 2: to watch what the next ten years of your life

921
00:38:56,841 --> 00:39:00,521
Speaker 2: looks like. I'm so happy that you've met someone incredible

922
00:39:00,521 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: that you love and you love each other.

923
00:39:02,161 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that's incredible. I'm really happy for you. You're

924
00:39:04,441 --> 00:39:05,761
Speaker 1: a gift and I'm glad you're still here.

925
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Speaker 3: Thanks buddy, Thanks Thanks Thanks amm hm