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Speaker 1: This episode contains discussion of suicide. If this raises any

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Speaker 2: Hi, and here we're taking a look back as some

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Speaker 2: of our incredible head Game guests. In this episode, you'll

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Speaker 2: hear from men who have faced some very tough battles.

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Speaker 2: My first guest is Pat Farmer. Pat is an ultramarathro

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Speaker 2: and runner who has pushed himself to the absolute limits

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Speaker 2: on many occasions. I sat down with him to hear

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Speaker 2: about his twenty eleven run from the North to the

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Speaker 3: You know, you talk about setbacks and difficulties and all

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Speaker 3: the rest of it. I did a run back in

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Speaker 3: twenty and eleven, and it took me from the North

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Speaker 3: Pole to the South Pile via the Americas.

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Speaker 4: There's no way on earth.

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Speaker 3: That you could possibly plan everything that could possibly go

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Speaker 3: wrong in those sorts of conditions. I mean, we're talking

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Speaker 3: the North Pole minus thirty five to forty degrees. Some

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Speaker 3: days we're picturesque, you know, just absolutely magnificent, beautiful.

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Speaker 4: Days to look at.

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Speaker 3: But still I see freezing cold, and I didn't want

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Speaker 3: to get my hands out of my gloves which were

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Speaker 3: inside another set of gloves, which inside another set of mittens,

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Speaker 3: just to be able to look at my GPS to

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Speaker 3: make sure I was on course on a regular basis,

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Speaker 3: and then because I didn't often, because the North Pole

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Speaker 3: it is turning in an anti clockwise direction, I'd be

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Speaker 3: heading towards Greenland when I should have been going towards Canada.

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Speaker 3: So you quickly learn that you just have to deal

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Speaker 3: with all the problems that go along and you just go.

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Speaker 3: You have to have the discipline and the ability and

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Speaker 3: the tenaciousness and deal with the pain just to be

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Speaker 3: able to keep moving forward, and to keep moving forward

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Speaker 3: means to be constantly aware of where the finish line

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Speaker 3: actually is.

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Speaker 1: How hard was that?

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Speaker 3: That was, without a doubt, the most most difficult thing

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Speaker 3: I could ever possibly imagine. There's so many obstacles came

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Speaker 3: up from the start. You know, we arrived there after

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Speaker 3: a year's worth of planning and putting things together and

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget myself.

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Speaker 3: My guide, Eric Phillips, and my cameraman arrived in the

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Speaker 3: North Pole. We were dropped off there by Russian helicopter,

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Speaker 3: and the first thing we had to do after we

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Speaker 3: of our three or three rifle make sure it was functioning.

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Speaker 3: It's mandatory you have to carry a rifle up there

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Speaker 3: because of the polar bears. And we were right on

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Speaker 3: the cusp of the season, so the end of winter

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Speaker 3: it's light enough to be to traverse, but it's still

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Speaker 3: dark enough and still cold enough that hopefully most of

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Speaker 3: the polar bears are still asleep, they're still hibernating. So

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Speaker 3: you get out and I'll never forget I got out there,

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Speaker 3: and I'll just tell you one story, which you know,

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Speaker 3: looking back on it's amusing, but at the time was painful.

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Speaker 3: I just got off the back of this helicopter, pulled

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Speaker 3: one hundred kilograms worth of gear. I weigh sixty five kilograms,

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Speaker 3: or I did when I started. I dropped down to

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Speaker 3: had a shot of the rifle the recoil hit my

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Speaker 3: you know, pulled on my finger, and I just felt

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Speaker 3: like I'd just been hit with a cane, you know,

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Speaker 3: and you know, then I felt to myself, you know,

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Speaker 4: And here I am out in the middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: And so I'm so fill your hand, yeah, so yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Hurry up, you know, I'm talking to myself. I'm talking

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Speaker 3: And then I finally find the zipper, but it's too late,

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Speaker 3: and I ended up urinating down my leg, which anywhere

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Speaker 3: else suggest a funny thing for somebody to do, and

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Speaker 3: you don't think much about it. But up there, of course,

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Speaker 4: And that was just the start for you even started.

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Speaker 3: That was the start, and I was just thinking to myself,

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Speaker 4: So a great start, then, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 3: So that was my first five minutes on the ice

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Speaker 3: because you know, as you can imagine, I'd already paid

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Speaker 3: I'd paid money to the guides, I'd paid money to

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Speaker 3: the camera and big, big dollars, you know, big dollars.

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Speaker 3: And it's like somebody claimbing everest. You know, the amount

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Speaker 3: They were happy to pull the plug and everybody go home.

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Speaker 3: They're already paid.

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Speaker 4: But for me, this was the commitment of my life.

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Speaker 3: I'd sold my house to try and cover off the

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Speaker 3: And consequently I was faced with the reality of what

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Speaker 4: How painful was it and how did you use that

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Speaker 4: never forget it. I remember there was this one day.

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Speaker 3: It was a particularly tough day for me, and I

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Speaker 3: keep the conditions away from your skin. I finally got

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Speaker 3: it's twenty four hour sunlight. Of course dug some snow,

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Speaker 3: and the night seemed to go so fast.

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Speaker 3: And there's this incredible saying that they have, and it

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Speaker 3: it always seems so much tougher until you actually get

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Speaker 4: And then when you get on, you get out there

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Speaker 3: Well, you know it is what it is, but you

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Speaker 3: I was trying to peel this thing off from my ear.

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Speaker 3: So what I ended up doing was I ripped the mask,

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Speaker 7: I never had any intention of doing this, wanting to

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Speaker 7: become someone or wanting to, you know, somewhat be known.

439
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:12,160
Speaker 5: It was only evident, live given.

440
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:12,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

441
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 7: Yeah, It's always been my thing, and so whatever came

442
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,679
Speaker 7: of it was just going to come of it.

443
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,200
Speaker 5: And yeah, so I left.

444
00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:21,720
Speaker 7: It was really really special leaving and then it was like, right,

445
00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:23,280
Speaker 7: we're on, We're finally I felt free.

446
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,560
Speaker 5: I felt free.

447
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 1: Because you got you felt free.

448
00:22:27,800 --> 00:22:30,600
Speaker 5: That is my absolute answer to that is like, for

449
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:33,040
Speaker 5: six months I was almost caged. Yeah, yeah, I got

450
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,679
Speaker 5: a fucking lion, just like, let me out of this

451
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 5: freaking hell hole. I need to start, and I feel this.

452
00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: Pain anticipating and unleash me. Yeah, got me.

453
00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:43,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm finally here.

454
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Speaker 2: Let's feel every you know, layer of skin for every nerve,

455
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Speaker 2: every yeah, I know you mean yeah.

456
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Speaker 7: And then so I hit I hit fifty K, and

457
00:22:52,200 --> 00:22:54,040
Speaker 7: I was like, finally I'm in it. Like I'm feeling

458
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Speaker 7: a bit of a bit of pain, but like, okay,

459
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 7: we're good, We're ready to go. And then yeah, fifty

460
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Speaker 7: k on hundred k done, got it done, prett quick,

461
00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 7: one hundred and three k that first day.

462
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Speaker 1: So how how long was that day for?

463
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Speaker 7: You say, roughly eleven and a half twelve hours, Yeah,

464
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,679
Speaker 7: And I remember we got we finished the day and

465
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 7: everyone was just like kind of the team were kind

466
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 7: of celebrating, and because this is it was a very

467
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:18,560
Speaker 7: cowboy operation.

468
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 5: It wasn't like well right.

469
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 1: You're just yeah, you've got the root.

470
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Speaker 7: Yeah, the full fuel stops, and you've got enough food

471
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Speaker 7: for the last full week. We'll get food along the way.

472
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 7: And then we got to the end of day one

473
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Speaker 7: and Dad's oh yeah sweet, and Gemma and all these

474
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Speaker 7: other everyone else was like, oh, you know, this is

475
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:38,120
Speaker 7: great and we're still probably forty minutes before I even

476
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:39,959
Speaker 7: got back to it was staying the night and I'm like,

477
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 7: this is digging into like food, time, shower, time, sleeping time,

478
00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,480
Speaker 7: and then I'm like, we're better get this sorted because

479
00:23:46,560 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 7: and then it just became like exactly like that. It

480
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 7: was like, hey, guys, we're going to get this ship.

481
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 7: Like when are you thinking about?

482
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Speaker 2: You weren't as organized as as it could have been,

483
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:59,520
Speaker 2: where you're saving yourself minutes which are food.

484
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:01,399
Speaker 1: Rest.

485
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 2: So as the time goes on, the days go on,

486
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:05,200
Speaker 2: and you get more and more frustrated.

487
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 7: Well not frustrated, but I knew that time was of

488
00:24:08,840 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 7: the essence, like we had. My days were getting longer

489
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,359
Speaker 7: because I was getting more sore and I was less

490
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 7: more tired, and I couldn't get as quick as I

491
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 7: could from A to B.

492
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Speaker 1: How did that affect you psychologically?

493
00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? Not great, because I'm very to the time. Yeah,

494
00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:23,920
Speaker 2: I'm focusing on the task ahead. You want to focus

495
00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 2: on the task ahead. You want to hand yourself over

496
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,880
Speaker 2: really and go, well, this is where you need to be,

497
00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: here's your food, here's your thing.

498
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Speaker 1: Bang on, because I can focus on my money, so

499
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 1: you'll you'll.

500
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Speaker 7: Want to think about I'm a toddler, about how do

501
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:35,879
Speaker 7: I get from A to b? Everything else would be

502
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Speaker 7: sawed and that is the role of it. And it

503
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 7: wasn't and not straight up. And then Mum got their

504
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,040
Speaker 7: day three and it.

505
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Speaker 1: Was like mom was part of your crew.

506
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 5: Yeah, but she got their day three.

507
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,159
Speaker 7: So the first three days were fucking chaos, fucking and

508
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 7: so Mom's just like leader.

509
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,040
Speaker 5: Mom's a fucking leader. Yeah, she's just rocked up and

510
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 5: going right, this is what you're doing.

511
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 7: You're cleaning this, you're taking this, you're driving here, you're

512
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,520
Speaker 7: getting this accommodation.

513
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,159
Speaker 1: Se that you're super frustration.

514
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 2: Did she see that you're distracted rather than fru street?

515
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 2: Did she see that you're distracted and you're you're you're

516
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 2: you know, you're in a.

517
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: What I had space that you should be.

518
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 7: My energy is getting consumed by what these what everyone's

519
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 7: not doing as opposed to.

520
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 5: What I should have.

521
00:25:15,280 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 7: I'm taking up energy on other things, should be thinking.

522
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:22,480
Speaker 7: People knows that, mate, She's yeah, she'll be there on

523
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 7: every event I ever do.

524
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Speaker 1: And what were you like for the first week. Let's

525
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 1: go back to that further.

526
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Speaker 5: What were you like that first week?

527
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Speaker 7: We got seven hundred and eight k in that first week,

528
00:25:32,280 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 7: and I like that as a small win. Was like,

529
00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:39,640
Speaker 7: I've just run seven hundred kilometers in a week. I've

530
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 7: never done that in my life because week ever was

531
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Speaker 7: three hundred k's. Had a pretty severe injury happened on

532
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:51,040
Speaker 7: day eleven on my shin. I anterior tibialis basically had

533
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 7: Tino sign of ittis, so like a really bad tender iis.

534
00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, I could not.

535
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 7: Run, Like I can deal with pain pretty well, but

536
00:25:58,760 --> 00:25:59,960
Speaker 7: I just could not run.

537
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,560
Speaker 1: How much pain were you in? Let's put it in

538
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 1: perspective for the listeners here.

539
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 7: By this day eleven, my mum was sitting there crying

540
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 7: at the thought I had to run again because she

541
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,359
Speaker 7: could see the waddle and the dragging of feet and

542
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 7: the cracking of everything.

543
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,240
Speaker 5: Yeah. I would wake up and I would just be like,

544
00:26:17,280 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 5: put me out as misery.

545
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,879
Speaker 4: We'll get you through it. I'm alive, You're alive.

546
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 7: Gratitude, Yeah, I think I was finally in it. And

547
00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 7: the cost I was willing to pay, the price I

548
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 7: was willing to.

549
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,600
Speaker 5: Pay was whatever got thrown at me. So the fact that.

550
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,919
Speaker 7: I'd wake up and each like a kid, you not

551
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 7: like my alarm would go off, I would not sleep right.

552
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 7: I'd be tossing turn the whole fucking night had ice

553
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 7: and Voltaire and herodoid cream all over every joint, clean

554
00:26:42,520 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 7: wrap all over it, trying to just really get it

555
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 7: to sweat and minimize anti inflammation, like anti inflammation. And

556
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 7: I would wake up in panic, like I would be

557
00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 7: screaming and like stopping my watch, like because that's what

558
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 7: I was doing all day, just like pausing my watch

559
00:26:57,680 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 7: and getting out of the side of road.

560
00:26:59,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 5: Trains and all this.

561
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:01,679
Speaker 7: And so I'd wake up at like two o'clock on

562
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,119
Speaker 7: oh no, like, oh no, this is we have to

563
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 7: go again. And then no, we've got work two hours, okay,

564
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 7: wake up again, just panic because I just knew that

565
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 7: by when four I am here, it's like shoes are on,

566
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,959
Speaker 7: You're experiencing another sixteen hours of torture.

567
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: This is phenomenal because I say when people ask me

568
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 2: the question, how do you succeed at an elite level?

569
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,680
Speaker 2: How do you succeed at the top? And I ask

570
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 2: them one question, how much are you willing to sacrifice?

571
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 2: You know, yourself, your body, you know, how much are

572
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,880
Speaker 2: you willing to sacrifice will determine how high you succeed

573
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 2: if you're willing to put everything on the line. And

574
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:40,560
Speaker 2: that's what I'd done in the military. I was willing

575
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 2: to sacrifice my life to get the job done, and

576
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: that always got me through.

577
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 5: Yeah.

578
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 7: You know the only time I have ever been in

579
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 7: this conversation where I've gone back to that moment.

580
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 5: Because I reckon, I've switched it off. Yeah, I've actually

581
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:57,560
Speaker 5: like trauma wall up. Yeah, forgotten about that.

582
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,600
Speaker 7: The only other time I ever talked about like being

583
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 7: in bed on day eleven and just like rolling around

584
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 7: and seeing it's two am and freaking out was with

585
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 7: Goggins when I was having dinner with him and twenty

586
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 7: other people and everyone's trying to understand what he's saying about,

587
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 7: you know, because I know he doesn't talk about the

588
00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:15,080
Speaker 7: actual pain he was in on you know, his hell

589
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:15,920
Speaker 7: weeks and all that stuff.

590
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 5: He just talks about references that I had to strap

591
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 5: up my legs whatever.

592
00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 7: When I was sitting there having dinner with I go,

593
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 7: I can't really talk about it because most people will

594
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 7: not understand because they no one is the only way

595
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 7: you can agree with someone is if you've been in

596
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 7: a scenario like you you have an energy of like

597
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 7: I get what you're saying, and Goggins goes, you think

598
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:39,719
Speaker 7: we're fucking masochists.

599
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 5: If if you heard what we actually went through to.

600
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 7: Go through that, and I was just like, yeah, that

601
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,000
Speaker 7: makes sense, and that's just the other that's the other time,

602
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,640
Speaker 7: only other time I ever brought that up.

603
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 5: I felt like I was borderline going to die.

604
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's the only way I'd.

605
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 5: Never talk about that. I've never never spoken about any

606
00:28:58,600 --> 00:28:59,200
Speaker 5: podcast like.

607
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,840
Speaker 7: That because people got a righter.

608
00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah no, no, no, no, yeah.

609
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,680
Speaker 7: And so I got this injury on like day eleven.

610
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,000
Speaker 7: It was just like, righter, let's how do we fucking

611
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:13,240
Speaker 7: sort this out? Because I'm not gonna stop it where

612
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 7: eleven days in, let's go, let's get it done.

613
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 8: Yeah.

614
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 5: And then the tides turn.

615
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,120
Speaker 7: Like it's like the world's going You're not gonna get

616
00:29:20,160 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 7: this done. You're not gonna get this done. And You're like, yeah,

617
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 7: I am back me up against the wall. I am

618
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 7: the motherfucking storm. Let's go.

619
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: December five, twenty twenty four, twenty eight year old Jack

620
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 2: Picture is on the home stretch of an epic cross

621
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 2: country run as his feet hit the sandy short of Bondai.

622
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 2: He claims the record for the fastest brick to run

623
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:48,280
Speaker 2: more than four thousand kilometers across Australia. Far from being

624
00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,920
Speaker 2: a professional athlete. Jack's motive for the journey was about

625
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,760
Speaker 2: his mental health.

626
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 9: Actually got into ulture running probably about four or five

627
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 9: years ago by a complete accident. Actually, so in a

628
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 9: way it was I think it was a blessing in disguise,

629
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 9: because a friend of mine said, look, you're the only

630
00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 9: crazy guy I know to run for twenty four hours.

631
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 9: I don't know anyone else that would just do it,

632
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 9: and I want you to do it with me. So

633
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 9: I got into ultra running that way to help a

634
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 9: friend out, and for me, it just felt I was

635
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 9: born to do this stuff because I had that mental

636
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 9: resilience and like you said, that psychological advantage over other people.

637
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:33,360
Speaker 9: I felt this is perfect for me to use because

638
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 9: for me, this is a walk in the park. Like

639
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 9: running for twenty four hours is absolutely nothing on dealing

640
00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 9: with your emotions for seventeen years.

641
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 8: This is nothing. I'd do this every day with my

642
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 8: eyes closed.

643
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 4: Right.

644
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 9: I was halfway through my first Ultra running for twenty

645
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 9: four hours, and I was already thinking of what I

646
00:30:52,120 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 9: could do next, and it just became something that you

647
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:58,080
Speaker 9: know what, I just feel this is right for me.

648
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 8: And then yeah, like I said, I've done multiple ultures.

649
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 9: After that, I run one hundred and three miles, which

650
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 9: is about one hundred and sixty k. I ran across

651
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 9: two days with about five hours sleep. So I don't

652
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 9: believe anyone's born to do anything, but I think you

653
00:31:14,680 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 9: can become so good at something that people start to

654
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 9: think you are born to do something.

655
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 8: And that's what it was like for me.

656
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 9: People just message me, going, maybe you've never run a

657
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,240
Speaker 9: marathon before and you're running fifty miles, sixty miles, one

658
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 9: hundred like, what's going on? And I said, I don't know.

659
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 9: I'm just letting my emotions almost take control of me.

660
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 9: I'm giving myself calm, but I'm just letting my emotions

661
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 9: drive my body. And it's hard because people ask me

662
00:31:40,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 9: for tips on running, and I find it very difficult

663
00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 9: to give people tips because a part of me is

664
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 9: like this has all come from a bit of trauma.

665
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 8: This is not like, yeah, it's internal.

666
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,360
Speaker 10: I can't help you run one hundred and sixty k

667
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 10: because you haven't had the upbringing I have, you know,

668
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 10: And I try and explain that to people and they, okay,

669
00:32:00,520 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 10: I said, you just got to find your purpose.

670
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,239
Speaker 8: You've got to find your why that's the best That

671
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 8: is the best way.

672
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,640
Speaker 2: How did Australia come about then, because it's not like

673
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:13,200
Speaker 2: you just went from you know, dipping your toe. I

674
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 2: would say, not so much dipping your toe doing one

675
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,640
Speaker 2: hundred miles or one hundred miles plus. But it literally

676
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: went from that, didn't it, to running four thousand kilometers?

677
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,520
Speaker 2: Who put that idea in your head? Or did you

678
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 2: put it in your own head?

679
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 9: So it was a friend of mine, Josh, who's currently

680
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 9: actually at Sandhurst doing his training.

681
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 8: In the Armies.

682
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: How is he?

683
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, he's he's a very very strong lad and

684
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 9: he wants to get into the parrots and he wants

685
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,240
Speaker 9: to be He's doing so.

686
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 8: Well, you know, I'm very very proud of him.

687
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 9: But we got speaking and we said, look, look, I've

688
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 9: got a year before I've got to go into the army.

689
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 9: You've seeing you run one hundred miles is so called.

690
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 9: Let's do something together if you're up for it. So

691
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 9: we started discussing down the path of what we could

692
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 9: do and we had this idea of Australia. Right, we thought,

693
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 9: how are we going to plan for this scale? This

694
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 9: is this is a joke and we we'd done so

695
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 9: much social networking. We put so much of our own

696
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 9: money into this, and this is this is a problem.

697
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,720
Speaker 9: This is this is like, you know, all these running

698
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 9: influencers get everything they want, everything paid for. You know,

699
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 9: they have all this opportunity, all reality TV stars, you know,

700
00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,520
Speaker 9: and there's just two young lads going, look, we want

701
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 9: to do this crazy run, you know. And to find

702
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,520
Speaker 9: to find people that would aid back us, believe us

703
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 9: and help us was very very hard. So we basically

704
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 9: had friends that who had local businesses that gave us,

705
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 9: you know a bit of money here and there to

706
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 9: help us out, but we we funded most of it

707
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 9: each We thought, why not, let's just do it.

708
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 8: Lives too short, and.

709
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:49,640
Speaker 9: Yeah, we got a four by four and we got

710
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 9: all our equipment and we got all our visas done

711
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 9: and the plan, originally the plan was to run the

712
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,880
Speaker 9: whole perimeter of Australia. We wanted to become the first

713
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:02,360
Speaker 9: British people to ever run the perimeter of Australia. We're

714
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 9: going to start and starting Darwin, all down the east coast,

715
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 9: all the way up to Adelaide, through the Perth, from

716
00:34:09,560 --> 00:34:11,479
Speaker 9: Perth to Darwin. We were going to be the first

717
00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:14,759
Speaker 9: Brits to ever do it, and we planned for that,

718
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:17,120
Speaker 9: and then we had a horrific car accident. We lost

719
00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,760
Speaker 9: loads of money, loads of equipment, loads of time.

720
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: Where are you when you have this car crash?

721
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,719
Speaker 9: So we flew into Melbourne, we picked our vehicle up

722
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,720
Speaker 9: from Melbourne, and then we drove from Melbourne to Darwin

723
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 9: to pick up our videographer.

724
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 8: He was flying into Darwin.

725
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:34,840
Speaker 9: So we were going to have a bit of a

726
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,600
Speaker 9: road trip, you know, from Melbourne Darwin and then we'd

727
00:34:38,600 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 9: crack on. Basically, about three days after we landed, we're

728
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,239
Speaker 9: driving down Murray Bridge. We get caught up in a

729
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 9: hoorific accident. We've had to swerve in the road. Our

730
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 9: trailers sort of lost control at the back. We're swerving

731
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 9: all over the road about eighty mile per hour. We

732
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 9: flipped about three or four times down the motorway and

733
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 9: landed in the grass and we all got out of

734
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,640
Speaker 9: the car and luckily, somehow, you know, there was a

735
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 9: god looking at for us, because we all got out

736
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 9: of the car absolutely fine, no cuts, no bruises, no

737
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:14,240
Speaker 9: breaking bones. And we looked at each other and thought, right, okay, everyone, okay.

738
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 9: Our stuff was destroyed like everything we spent thousands on

739
00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 9: is gone, and me and Josh were sat there like, right,

740
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 9: can we get some money and borrow a sprinter? We

741
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,600
Speaker 9: were still doing Australia. There was not like I'm coming home,

742
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 9: you know, I quit my job. I've spent every money

743
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 9: I had on this. I'm not coming home empty handed.

744
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 9: So we looked, and you know, it just we couldn't

745
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 9: with the money we lost, the time we lost to

746
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,359
Speaker 9: try and get a new vehicle. We looked at our

747
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 9: route and because we lost so much money in time,

748
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 9: we worked out we probably would have got down to

749
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 9: Adelaide from Darwin running and then we'd run out of money.

750
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 9: So it was either we run from Darwin to Adelaide

751
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:04,120
Speaker 9: and while we're running we try and get hold of

752
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 9: companies and say, look, can you fund us for the

753
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 9: rest of the trip, or we just basically have to

754
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,839
Speaker 9: shut up shop and plan, plan something else.

755
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,120
Speaker 2: There was no stage during that that you went, do

756
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 2: you know what, Let's just call it quits, let's go back,

757
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 2: let's reorganize, let's replan. It was it was that was

758
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 2: that decision made. As soon as you got out of

759
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 2: the car, You're like, all right, let's see what's going

760
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,360
Speaker 2: on here? Right? This is destroyed, this is destroyed, but

761
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 2: we're here, so we're going to do something.

762
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 8: It was it was the adventure in.

763
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 1: Us and that attitude never never waving.

764
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 9: Never wa you know, like I said, wow, this with

765
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 9: BRIT's man, we're adventurers, you know.

766
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 8: We didn't want to come home. We wanted to we

767
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:43,759
Speaker 8: wanted to carry on.

768
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,959
Speaker 9: And we all sat down with my team and we said,

769
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:50,839
Speaker 9: look like we've it was Josh and I's projects, so

770
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 9: our team, as much as they had suggestions, at the

771
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 9: end of the day, Josh and I said, look, this

772
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 9: is our project. We've put a lot of money into this.

773
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 9: We've done the mass. We can't do the perimeter. It's

774
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,479
Speaker 9: just impossible to do. It's too much of a risk.

775
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 9: What we're going to do is we've looked and there's

776
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 9: a British record up for grabs. Right, we would have

777
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 9: done British history by becoming the first Britge And don't

778
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 9: get me wrong, someone would have beaten it eventually, but

779
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 9: we always would have been the first British people. So

780
00:37:19,160 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 9: now it was like, right now we're up a bit

781
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 9: of a race. Now we want to get this British

782
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 9: record from Perth to Sydney. This is what we're going

783
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 9: to have to do. So we basically sold everything we had.

784
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:34,160
Speaker 9: We scrapped off four by four for literally like less.

785
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 8: Than a grand. It cost us ten grand to buy

786
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 8: that was messed up.

787
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 9: So we lost thousands like we lost thousands. And this

788
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 9: wasn't through sponsors. This was our own money. So we

789
00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 9: rented a car. We drove from Darwin to Perth without stopping.

790
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 9: We all took turns driving, we didn't stop. Luckily, we

791
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 9: had some connections in Perth where we could stay for

792
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 9: four or five days. We got some money in from family,

793
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:04,000
Speaker 9: we planned, we got food in, We rented a motor

794
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,359
Speaker 9: home from Apollo Motor Vans and that was it.

795
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 8: Mate.

796
00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:10,439
Speaker 9: We parked up on Cooslow Beach and we just touched

797
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,440
Speaker 9: the ocean at Cottslow Beach and said we're going to

798
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 9: touch the touch the sea at Bondi.

799
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 8: We're doing it.

800
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 9: Josh and I went off and we started doing forty

801
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 9: k days, fifty K days, sixty K days. We were

802
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 9: cranking it right up and we're doing we're doing seventy

803
00:38:25,120 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 9: five eighty k days in the heat through the nullerball,

804
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 9: through the hottest part of Australia in coming up to

805
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 9: their summer. You know, I was running on roads for

806
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 9: four or five hours in a row and I just

807
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 9: felt I was in the same spot. You know, it

808
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 9: was just insane. And this is when I was running

809
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 9: in a nullyball. I looked ahead of me and thought,

810
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,759
Speaker 9: this is this is what I was fucking built for.

811
00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,919
Speaker 9: There's no one on this planet currently that I felt

812
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 9: at that time it just could outwork me. That was

813
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,959
Speaker 9: the mindset I had. You know, no one on plane

814
00:39:00,200 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 9: Earth right now is running across the nuther Boar and

815
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 9: forty one degree heat for hours and hours and hours.

816
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 8: It's me.

817
00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:08,919
Speaker 9: There's no one on the planet that can not work

818
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 9: me currently. That's what I felt. And we got through

819
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:14,319
Speaker 9: it and we we'd done it, and you know, we

820
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 9: had what we what our van was doing was was

821
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 9: driving twenty k up the road and we'd run to

822
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 9: the van and we restock our water, food and we

823
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 9: go off again.

824
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: So you'd have small reference points along the way that

825
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 1: you were working towards us. I suppose, you know, breaking

826
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,320
Speaker 1: it down, which help.

827
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, it did.

828
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 9: It broke it down, you know, like it was it

829
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:36,840
Speaker 9: was seeing that van you're running for hours and you

830
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 9: see a tiny little white square in the distance and

831
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:41,920
Speaker 9: you go, that's our van, that's our pickup point.

832
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 2: But you didn't have no physios of you, no nutritionists. No,

833
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 2: you were just living. What was your food? Like, what

834
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,280
Speaker 2: food did you have? Crazy?

835
00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 9: We were living off spam, pastas, noodles, tim tams, sour patch,

836
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 9: cowboys kim yeah, cowboys fuck you know, yeah.

837
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,799
Speaker 1: You turned mate already, you've turned already.

838
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 9: Didn't have we didn't have a nutritionist, we didn't have

839
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 9: a physio. We didn't even have like an ice bas

840
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 9: We had nothing, right, And this is what I'm sure,

841
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 9: this is what I'm trying to I wish running influences

842
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 9: understood is that we had nothing, absolutely nothing. We were

843
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 9: trying to ask our family for more money just so

844
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 9: we could buy food minimalistic.

845
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 2: There was literally you were just self sustainable with with

846
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 2: a little bit of food. You had a you had

847
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:34,799
Speaker 2: a checkpoint that you had to.

848
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 1: Get through through a vehicle. That who was driving the vehicle.

849
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 8: My friend Alaric.

850
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 9: He's a good friend of mine, so he came out

851
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 9: to be the videographer. He ended up being the driver,

852
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 9: the navigator, the chef, everything mate, he done, he done everything,

853
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 9: and and you know what it was? It was I

854
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 9: had I had some old trainers, mate, I had my

855
00:40:56,520 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 9: old roof in T shirts, a bucket hat, you know.

856
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 9: And I always I won't change. That's who I am.

857
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,600
Speaker 9: I don't I don't come from a privileged background. I've

858
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 9: just come from a very normal family. I don't feel

859
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 9: the need to have all this. I've never been given

860
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 9: loads of expensive staff. I've just gone this is who

861
00:41:14,760 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 9: I am. I'm going to run my work uniform. I'm

862
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 9: going to run my Sunday league kit.

863
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,320
Speaker 1: And where were you sleeping.

864
00:41:19,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 2: In the van?

865
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 8: Mate? I had had the double bed.

866
00:41:21,960 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: But sleep sleeping bag in the van?

867
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:24,320
Speaker 8: Mate?

868
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: Did you get nice and cozy with Josh?

869
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:26,399
Speaker 2: Mate?

870
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, we had that van stunk a lot, you know,

871
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,200
Speaker 9: stunk a lot and.

872
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:35,560
Speaker 1: A mate, I can smell it from here. You feel free.

873
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,480
Speaker 9: Big And luckily we had our own bed it because

874
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 9: it was a six man van, as three of us,

875
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 9: we had our own bed. But but when you didn't

876
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,319
Speaker 9: get when you didn't get a camp site that had

877
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Speaker 9: a plugin system and it was a free camp and

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00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 9: there's no air on nothing, you know.

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Speaker 8: And but but it got to.

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Speaker 9: A point where We got maybe forty five days in

881
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Speaker 9: and Josh unfortunately had to pull out.

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Speaker 8: He had to start, he couldn't go on anymore.

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Speaker 9: And I thought, I'm doing it, and the world was

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00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 9: watching me because people were messaging me, going, mate, I've

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00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 9: just seen you on the news. I've just I'll followed

886
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,200
Speaker 9: you on Strava like you are. You're you're just a builder,

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Speaker 9: You're just You're just a normal guy. You're not a

888
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 9: professional athlete, You're not what how how how? And I

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Speaker 9: just said I'm going to do it.

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Speaker 8: I'm going to do it.

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00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 9: And and my last checkpoint I got out of the

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Speaker 9: van knowing I had to run fifteen k and I've

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00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 9: done it, and I've done it, I've done it. So

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Speaker 9: I'm getting emotional already. Oh I'll go out of the van.

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Speaker 4: And oh, so good, mate, it's so good.

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00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,480
Speaker 8: Put the Union jack around me and I put a

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00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:51,759
Speaker 8: photo over my family with me.

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00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 9: I pushed on. I had nothing left. I had nothing left.

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Speaker 9: I had nothing left.

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Speaker 8: I was hallucinating up from some Tim towns, Timtom's mate.

901
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 8: They kept me alive, I swear they did.

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Speaker 9: And you know, I pushed on and I came down

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Speaker 9: the hill in Sydney, very very hilly.

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Speaker 8: I forgot how hilly Sydney.

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Speaker 9: Is or heard it was anyway, and I came down

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00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 9: this hill, I saw the ocean and Josh, you obviously

907
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 9: had to pull out.

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00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:19,480
Speaker 8: I said, look, you're running the last couple of k

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Speaker 8: with me. Mate. We've done this together, you know, we

910
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,560
Speaker 8: started together. We're going to finish together.

911
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 9: And he was still injured, but he couldn't walk, and

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00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 9: we ran the last couple of k together, and my

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Speaker 9: family were at the beach. Everyone was there, and I

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Speaker 9: went on the sand at Bon Dai and just looked

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00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,360
Speaker 9: up at the scar and my dad and got a

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Speaker 9: dumb mate. I touched the ocean at Bon Dai and

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Speaker 9: done it and couldn't believe it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks so much for joining me on head Game. If

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Speaker 1: I'm Aunt Middleton. Catch you again next time.

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Speaker 3: H m hmm