1 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: From the Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey. 2 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:12,920 Speaker 1: It's Thursday April twenty five, twenty twenty five. The lawyer 3 00:00:12,960 --> 00:00:16,040 Speaker 1: representing Bruce Lemon in It to Woomba rape trial claims 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: important evidence like witness statements and CCTV footage is missing 5 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: the matter who has been adjourned until late May while 6 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: the prosecution and defense get organized. The former Liberal staffer 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 1: hasn't entered a plea, but has indicated he'll fight the chargers. 8 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,080 Speaker 1: Australians are gathering to commemorate Anzac Day around the nation. Today. 9 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: You can read about the last flight out of Vietnam 10 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: following the fall of Saigon in nineteen seventy five and 11 00:00:45,960 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: the loyal Vietnamese embassy staff left behind right now at 12 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: the Australian dot Com dot au. The Northern Territory will 13 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 1: require judges to refuse bail to alleged offenders if community 14 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: safety is at risk. That's in new laws the government 15 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,520 Speaker 1: hopes to pass when it urgently recalls Parliament on Wednesday. 16 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 1: Following the stabbing death of a seventy one year old 17 00:01:12,520 --> 00:01:15,520 Speaker 1: supermarket worker, an eighteen year old man who was on 18 00:01:15,600 --> 00:01:19,480 Speaker 1: bail at the time. Is the alleged offender today? What's 19 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:29,600 Speaker 1: gone so wrong in the Territory. In the early evenings, 20 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,120 Speaker 1: the residents of Nightcliff in Darwin get out into the 21 00:01:33,160 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: warm twilight air cycling and jogging along the beach where 22 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: the land meets the team or sea. Nightcliffe's median property 23 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 1: price is just under one million dollars. One of the 24 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: territory's most exclusive places to live, and for a long 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:52,559 Speaker 1: time it is felt a world away from the really 26 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: gritty crime that's one of the Territory's hottest political issues. 27 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: Until Wednesday afternoon, while the afterwork crowd was getting out 28 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 1: into the evening, Nightcliff's local friendly grosser, Linford Feek was 29 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:09,160 Speaker 1: living out his last moments. 30 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:13,640 Speaker 2: Laid Darwin shop owner has been fatally stabbed after confronting 31 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 2: a man trying to steal from his store. Let's go 32 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 2: back to Matt Cunning and he's live at the scene. 33 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 3: Matt. 34 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: Has the offender been caught? He was apprehended just after midnight, Pete. 35 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 2: This is a shocking incident that. 36 00:02:24,320 --> 00:02:27,520 Speaker 1: Will Territory Police said. An eighteen year old suspect handed 37 00:02:27,600 --> 00:02:29,840 Speaker 1: himself in early on Thursday morning. 38 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: The matter is currently under investigation by our major crime 39 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:37,600 Speaker 3: team with support from a myriad of other specialist areas. 40 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: As the sun rose over Darwin. On Thursday, disturbing details 41 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,239 Speaker 1: about that alleged assailant emerged. 42 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 4: His birthday was just earlier this week. He turned eighteen 43 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 4: years old. Very young boy, you could say. 44 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,919 Speaker 1: Leah Mendez is a reporter with The Australian. 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,920 Speaker 4: Now there's a bunch of charges there. Two counts of 46 00:03:00,000 --> 00:03:04,520 Speaker 4: aggravated assault, threatening injury, deprivation of liberty, to counts of 47 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:08,000 Speaker 4: sexual intercourse without consent, two counts of sexual intercourse with 48 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 4: a child under the age of sixteen years of age, 49 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 4: resisting police, two counts of assaulting police and possession of 50 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 4: metham fettermin So you know, these are incredibly serious charges 51 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 4: and there are a lot of questions right across the 52 00:03:21,760 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 4: territory by people who are wandering why was this boy on. 53 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:30,760 Speaker 1: Bail and so what do we know about that? Why 54 00:03:30,880 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: was he on bail? 55 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,399 Speaker 4: The interesting thing is that he was first taken into 56 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 4: custody towards the end of December in twenty twenty three. 57 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 4: There was an out of court bail hearing heard by 58 00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 4: an on call judge sign over the telephone. He was 59 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 4: still in the watchhouse when it happened, and it appears 60 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:50,600 Speaker 4: that he's just been given bail with hardly any conditions. 61 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: A lot of the time, for far less serious offending, 62 00:03:54,840 --> 00:03:58,720 Speaker 4: alleged defenders are often given an ankle bracelet. You see 63 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:03,000 Speaker 4: so many children walking around the territory with ankle bracelets on. 64 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,240 Speaker 4: It's something that people are just accustomed to seeing. 65 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,960 Speaker 1: So that was December twenty twenty three when this young 66 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: man was granted bail and it's now a long time on. 67 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 1: Do we know anything about what was going on in 68 00:04:16,200 --> 00:04:17,560 Speaker 1: his life between then and now? 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: Yes, So he was essentially ordered to remain at a 70 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: very small community in the territory, and he was prohibited 71 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,559 Speaker 4: to enter Darwin unless he had to attend to urgent 72 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:35,880 Speaker 4: medical dental treatment. Who was prohibited from approaching or communicating 73 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 4: either directly or indirectly with the alleged victim. And he 74 00:04:40,839 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 4: was also banned from drinking alcohol and taking drugs. 75 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,600 Speaker 1: Linford Fik is the seventy one year old man who's died. 76 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: What do we know about him? 77 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 4: He was born in Canada. He purchased this small little 78 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,000 Speaker 4: grocery store that by all accounts as a very successful 79 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 4: and family run business that he operated with his wife Margaret. 80 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:08,920 Speaker 4: He's an Australian citizen and very loved in this very 81 00:05:08,960 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: tight knit community. But this is the thing. I was 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,839 Speaker 4: talking to his son Ben, who also works at the store. 83 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 4: You know, they had seen this increase in concerning behavior 84 00:05:18,800 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 4: where they almost were of the understanding that something like 85 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:24,039 Speaker 4: this was bound to happen. 86 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 1: In the territory. There's no bigger political issue than crime, 87 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: and Liam has spent much of the past few years 88 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:35,440 Speaker 1: covering shocking, violent offending on the streets of communities like 89 00:05:35,560 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 1: Alice Springs. 90 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 4: I think this has really pushed the territory into a 91 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 4: level where they've quite possibly never been before. There is 92 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 4: a lot of anger there is, to be completely honest, 93 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 4: a lot of anger which is racially motivated. Some people 94 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,720 Speaker 4: don't want to talk about it, but that is the 95 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 4: truth of what's happening on the ground there. As sad 96 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 4: as it is, it was only earlier this month he 97 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,840 Speaker 4: saw another elderly man who was essentially hacked in his 98 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,240 Speaker 4: own home by two young boys thirteen and fourteen years 99 00:06:09,279 --> 00:06:12,480 Speaker 4: old who broke into this Also a seventy one year 100 00:06:12,520 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 4: old man's home who was left in intensive care under 101 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 4: heavy sedation after the attack, and he essentially had cuts 102 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:29,320 Speaker 4: to his bone from a machete. On my last trip 103 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:32,280 Speaker 4: to Alice Springs earlier this month, I met a gentleman 104 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 4: named bart and he was a lovely local who lived 105 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:38,240 Speaker 4: near the hospital in Alice Springs, and there was this 106 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 4: little riot that had occurred on his streets one evening. 107 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 4: I arrived just about two to three minutes after police 108 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:50,760 Speaker 4: had arrived, but was standing out on the street armed 109 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 4: with a fire poker and a large can of wasp spray. 110 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 4: And he looks at me and just says, this is 111 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:03,680 Speaker 4: how we have to live. People are arming themselves because 112 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 4: they're so fearful that people are going to either attack 113 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 4: them or come into their own homes and attack them, 114 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 4: or steal their cars. This is the reality of many 115 00:07:13,920 --> 00:07:15,880 Speaker 4: people who are living in the territory. 116 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: Sky News as Matt Cunningham spoke to the owner of 117 00:07:20,520 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 1: the local barbershop, Cathie Zaviro after mister Fike's death. I'm 118 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 1: just in shock. 119 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 3: I'm such a shock for the family, family run business. 120 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 1: I just don't know how they're going to move forward. 121 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 3: Eleven million dollars to have someone murdered right in front 122 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 3: of it. 123 00:07:35,600 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: It's a joke that eleven million dollars she's talking about. 124 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: Is the giant Nightcliff Police station right across the road 125 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: from where Linfordfick died, but it's never been used as 126 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: a working cop shop. It's the base for the territory's 127 00:07:50,760 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: tactical cops and it closes each day at four pm. 128 00:07:54,920 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 1: There are no cells or watchhouse. It's just like any 129 00:07:58,680 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 1: other office. The territory's Chief Minister is the Country Liberal 130 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: Party's Lea Finocchiaro, who was elected in twenty twenty four 131 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 1: after a tough on crime campaign. She sheded blame for 132 00:08:13,920 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: the situation home to the Labor government, which had governed 133 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: the territory for eight years. One of the crimes that 134 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:25,000 Speaker 1: got Finocchio elected was a shocking twenty twenty three murder 135 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,800 Speaker 1: a young man named Declan Lavity, who was working in 136 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: a bottle shop in the suburb of Jingly, just six 137 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:34,280 Speaker 1: minutes drive from Nightcliff. 138 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 5: Keith Keranua was found guilty of fatally stubbing mister Lavity 139 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,960 Speaker 5: during a brief but deadly knife fight inside the Airport 140 00:08:43,000 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 5: Tavern BWS on March nineteen, twenty twenty three. 141 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: There were some quite dramatic scenes here. After the verdict 142 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,079 Speaker 2: ash in factor, the court was locked down for about 143 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 2: five minutes. There were angry scenes as those supporters yelled 144 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:59,440 Speaker 2: out their anger and displeasure at the verdict. 145 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 1: Declan was twenty, his killer was just eighteen. Keith Kernawia's 146 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 1: family and friends said he was acting in self defense 147 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: when he plunged a knife five times into Declan Lavity, 148 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: but the court heard he had a history of violence, 149 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: including punching a thirteen year old boy just hours before 150 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: he killed Declan. In June twenty twenty four, the judge 151 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: gave Kerinawia the mandatory sentence life in prison with a 152 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: non parole period of twenty years. 153 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,400 Speaker 5: During sentencing, the judge described mister Laberty's murder as a 154 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 5: violent and unprovoked attack on an innocent member of the public. 155 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: It gave some relief to Declan's family. 156 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:51,960 Speaker 5: He not only suffered, but he died in agonizing death, 157 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 5: and I'm. 158 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:59,040 Speaker 2: So glad the jury could see that that's what happened. 159 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people saw the case of 160 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 4: Declan Lavity as a sort of tipping point that was 161 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,920 Speaker 4: a moment of change, and we saw Declan z ow 162 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: come in. Declan's mother, Samara, who I've spoken to today. 163 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:20,319 Speaker 4: She did a huge amount of lobbying with the government 164 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 4: and has really carried on Declan's legacy to have some 165 00:10:24,280 --> 00:10:27,920 Speaker 4: real meaningful change. But today she's in shock that this 166 00:10:27,960 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 4: has happened, and she feels like after everything she's done 167 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 4: to change some of these behaviors in the territory, all 168 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 4: of that was for nothing, just because there's been another 169 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 4: death at the hands allegedly of a young person with 170 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 4: a knife. 171 00:10:46,760 --> 00:10:50,520 Speaker 1: In twenty twenty four, one of Leah Finocchiaro's first acts 172 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:53,000 Speaker 1: was an attempt to reduce knife crime with an act 173 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 1: called Declan's Law, legislation that tightened bail laws and introduced 174 00:10:57,679 --> 00:11:00,720 Speaker 1: something that had been abolished, an offensive breach of bail 175 00:11:00,800 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 1: for young offenders aged ten to seventeen. The idea was 176 00:11:04,880 --> 00:11:07,960 Speaker 1: to keep more alleged defenders in custody while they were 177 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,360 Speaker 1: awaiting a court date. Critics of the bail law, just 178 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 1: like critics of mandatory sentencing, have long argued title laws 179 00:11:15,640 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 1: don't reduce offending. Lea Finocchiaro says she's toughening bail laws 180 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,800 Speaker 1: again and will urgently recall Parliament on Wednesday. 181 00:11:26,040 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 6: What we want for the Northern Territory is to have 182 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 6: the toughest bail laws in this country. This has been 183 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:33,480 Speaker 6: done in New South Wales and Victoria and we're confident 184 00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 6: it could really set a strong benchmark for community safety 185 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:40,439 Speaker 6: here in the Northern Territory. It means judges must consider 186 00:11:40,480 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 6: the safety of the community if they're going to bow 187 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:45,920 Speaker 6: that person before they go on and consider all of 188 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 6: those other bail factors. 189 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:50,920 Speaker 1: He's Corrections Minister Jared Mayley. 190 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 6: We know this is going to be difficult and pressure 191 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 6: on our prections offices, and we intend to make sure 192 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 6: that if you commit a crime in the Northern Territory 193 00:11:59,400 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 6: there'll be a bit for you in our correction system. 194 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 1: Lindford Fick's wife, Margaret, said they'd been married for fifty 195 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: one years and had seven grandchildren. She described Lindford as 196 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,320 Speaker 1: a beautiful man, a true gentleman and my soulmate gone forever. 197 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:31,120 Speaker 1: God bless him. Rip my darling man. Coming up. Will 198 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:49,000 Speaker 1: this effect the federal election? Federal politicians like to say, 199 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:51,319 Speaker 1: of course they do, that crime is an issue for 200 00:12:51,400 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: state and territory governments. That's true to an extent. The 201 00:12:54,880 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: states and territories handle policing injustice, but in the Territory, 202 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,920 Speaker 1: at this federal there'll be no getting away from crime. 203 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:06,079 Speaker 1: The territory has the safe Labor seat of Solomon, which 204 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: covers Darwin and surrounds and is held by Labours Luke 205 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: Gosling and Lingiari, which covers the rest of the territory 206 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 1: and the adjacent islands. It's held by Labour's Marion Scriminger 207 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: on a margin of just one point seven percent. Peter 208 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: Dutton is trying hard to make crime a national issue. 209 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 3: We will work day and night to make sure that 210 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 3: your local community, your local suburb is safer. I've always 211 00:13:31,960 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 3: been serious in my public life as a police officer 212 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 3: and since i've been in Parliament in protecting people, and 213 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:38,240 Speaker 3: I'm very genuine about that. 214 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: Perhaps the territory's most famous politician on the national stage 215 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,439 Speaker 1: is the CLP's Justiner NumPy in for Price, who's a senator. 216 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: She's not up for reelection this year, but she chimed 217 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: in on social media after this week's stabbing, saying we 218 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: must do everything we can to stamp out this abhorrent behavior. 219 00:14:01,240 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: A lot of the crime that you've covered in the 220 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: Northern territory has been late night street violence in places 221 00:14:06,280 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 1: like Alice Springs, gangs of kids who are not in 222 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: their homes for a lot of complex reasons. There's family dysfunction, 223 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: there's our cohol and drug abuse going on in those homes, 224 00:14:16,920 --> 00:14:18,720 Speaker 1: and they don't feel that it's safe to go there. 225 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:21,880 Speaker 1: Every so often a federal politician flies in to look 226 00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,560 Speaker 1: at the situation and sound concerned. How do you think 227 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: territorians regard the causes of this crime? You spoke a 228 00:14:30,440 --> 00:14:33,880 Speaker 1: little earlier about vigilante violence. What a territorian say to 229 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: you about what's actually going wrong. 230 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 4: We're talking about incredibly complex issues here. Until you've been 231 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,400 Speaker 4: to some of these remote communities, you're never going to 232 00:14:43,400 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 4: get a true understanding of what is happening on the 233 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 4: ground there. There's a lot of people that are living 234 00:14:50,520 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 4: in what could be described as third world conditions. There's 235 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 4: a level of disadvantage here where children are just not 236 00:14:57,760 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 4: going to school. You know the amount of times where 237 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 4: I've been at a town camp and in a school 238 00:15:02,240 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 4: bus coming through and there's zero children on that bus. 239 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 4: And when children are staying up until daybreak, you can 240 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 4: understand why it's impossible to get them into school. 241 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: They throughout a labor territory government. Both the Northern territories 242 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: federal electorates are held by labor. Do you think this 243 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,360 Speaker 1: will have an impact on the federal election. 244 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 4: I do, And quite interestingly, the two country Liberal Party 245 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,680 Speaker 4: candidates that I've spoken to wipe their hands clean of 246 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 4: crime issues. They're saying that is more of a territory 247 00:15:31,280 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 4: government issue. When people are being killed either at their 248 00:15:34,960 --> 00:15:39,040 Speaker 4: own workplace or there's home invasions happening constantly, I think 249 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 4: there comes a point where when is this going to 250 00:15:41,880 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 4: really become a massive federal issue. I mean, there are 251 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 4: some people that are genuinely worried that people aren't actually 252 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 4: going to want to live there anymore. For the you 253 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 4: know what they love. It's the camping, it's the outdoors, 254 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 4: It's the beautiful bushwalks and waterfalls that you can experience. 255 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 4: It's that life lifestyle. There is a territory lifestyle that 256 00:16:02,120 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 4: you can't experience anywhere else in this country, and that 257 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 4: is why people live there. And there is a real 258 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,040 Speaker 4: fear within the community. I know many people that are planning, 259 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,600 Speaker 4: genuinely planning on packing up their lives and moving somewhere 260 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 4: else because it's just gotten to the point where they 261 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 4: do not want to be living here anymore. 262 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 1: Liam Mendez is a journalist with The Australian. You can 263 00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,840 Speaker 1: read this story as well as all the nation's best news, sport, 264 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,880 Speaker 1: politics and business, plus of course, all our coverage of 265 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: ANZAC Day at The Australian dot com dot au