WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 10 December 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:07.480 From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello 0:00:07.560 --> 0:00:11.000 and welcome to the show. I'm Danikiti Giorgio. It's great 0:00:11.039 --> 0:00:13.800 to be filling in on the show this evening. Now, look, 0:00:13.840 --> 0:00:15.880 I've got to admit since I was here last he 0:00:15.960 --> 0:00:17.959 was only a couple of weeks ago, you might remember 0:00:18.440 --> 0:00:21.520 I haven't smoked a cigar yet. But I really am 0:00:21.720 --> 0:00:23.760 doing my very best to fill in here, So it's 0:00:23.800 --> 0:00:26.880 certainly very good to be back. Coming up this evening 0:00:26.880 --> 0:00:29.920 a huge show. Albo lives up to his nickname as 0:00:29.960 --> 0:00:33.680 the Accidental Prime Minister as he finally decides to visit 0:00:33.800 --> 0:00:37.960 Melbourne's Adas Synagogue. The RBA plays Christmas greench as rates 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:41.240 remain on hold, but it's not all their fault, and 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:43.480 we will go live to Nigel Faraj in the UK 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.040 as his Reform Party is set to make a big announcement, 0:00:47.840 --> 0:00:53.040 But first to Albo. Dear, oh dear, who today, four 0:00:53.200 --> 0:00:56.960 days of course after the fact, decided to pop on 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:00.640 a Jewish skull cap and make his long awaited belated 0:01:00.640 --> 0:01:05.560 appearance at the scene of the synagogue terror attack. Four 0:01:05.680 --> 0:01:08.880 days too late. He just he doesn't get it. He 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:11.800 doesn't get it, does he it's as if you know, 0:01:12.000 --> 0:01:14.480 he was handed the keys to the lodge, but he 0:01:14.520 --> 0:01:17.240 still hasn't quite figured out yet how to open the door. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:21.880 The accidental Prime Minister, Now, how does this sit with 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:26.160 you at home? Anthony Aarberzi was on Saturday showing off 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:29.800 his skills at the Cottaslow Tennis Club in Perth, Theories 0:01:29.920 --> 0:01:35.039 donning his white uniform, and later was whining and dining 0:01:35.120 --> 0:01:40.000 labor donors at a fundraising event, all the while a 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:44.440 synagogue was burnt in a terror attack in Melbourne. Keyword 0:01:44.480 --> 0:01:48.600 there terror. So this is a prime Minister who will 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:53.240 forever be known as the leader who played tennis dazzled 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:58.520 donors as a terror attack unfolded on home. Soil let 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:02.680 that sink in and just remember the attack happened the 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.080 day prior. So this was all on the Prime Minister. 0:02:06.200 --> 0:02:09.000 It was his call to carry on with his weekend. 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:12.600 That was the priority of the leader of this country. 0:02:13.040 --> 0:02:16.799 As the Jewish community in Melbourne and in Australia say 0:02:16.840 --> 0:02:21.480 that they are not safe in the country, he leads, I've. 0:02:21.320 --> 0:02:24.400 Heard from many, many people within the Jewish community that 0:02:24.560 --> 0:02:27.320 quite frankly, don't go into the CBD on a Sunday, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:32.280 or if they do, they will take this skull cap off, 0:02:33.160 --> 0:02:37.720 they will deidentify as Jews, for fear that if they 0:02:37.760 --> 0:02:41.320 wear this in the central business district they are at 0:02:41.360 --> 0:02:42.360 risk of being a target. 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.919 So today, four days after that fire bombing, Albo decided 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:52.880 to rock up, finally going and visiting the Adas Synagogue 0:02:52.919 --> 0:02:56.360 only after days of pressure and of course doing his best, 0:02:56.600 --> 0:03:00.280 if I may say so, to appear extremely all quit. 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.640 I went to my first bar mitzvah on Saturday. 0:03:06.440 --> 0:03:11.519 Great, great terrific. Was that before or was that after 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:14.679 the Tennis prime minister? Now you can see by the 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:17.799 vision outside the synagogue today it was certainly tense. I mean, 0:03:17.840 --> 0:03:20.959 this is a community that is rightly angry. And after 0:03:21.000 --> 0:03:25.280 inspecting the rubble and quickly posing for a photo inside 0:03:25.280 --> 0:03:28.520 there it is, Albo emerged wearing a kipper on his head, 0:03:28.560 --> 0:03:30.519 the Jewish skull cap and said. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:35.600 This, this arson attack is an act of terrorism that 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:40.040 was fueled by anti Semitism, and it was stoked by hatred. 0:03:40.840 --> 0:03:43.440 Where a country that needs to come together in unite 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:48.120 on behalf of my government that I lead into doing what. 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:49.920 We need to do to restore. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:57.440 Synagogue, including providing whatever support is necessary financially and then 0:03:58.080 --> 0:03:58.640 that was it. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:02.080 That was it. He refused to even take questions and 0:04:02.240 --> 0:04:06.680 was quickly whisked away, very quickly, no accountability. And you 0:04:06.720 --> 0:04:10.280 see the problem here is we've heard these comments over 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:14.600 and over. Yes he's condemned it, yes he's called it 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:18.719 anti Semitism, but what has he actually done since October 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:24.080 seven last year to stamp out anti Semitism? Nothing from 0:04:24.120 --> 0:04:27.640 the steps of the Sydney Opera House to preachers celebrating 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:31.120 the slaughter of twelve hundred dues week in week out, 0:04:31.200 --> 0:04:34.640 the intimidating pro Palestine rallies. Even last week there was 0:04:34.640 --> 0:04:37.800 one held in front of a synagogue. We've got Hesbula 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:43.600 flags being waved in the streets and where was Elbow, Oh? Nowhere. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.919 The accidental Prime Minister gives his usual we condemn this 0:04:48.080 --> 0:04:50.720 speech and then let's say it, wipes hands, walks away, 0:04:50.800 --> 0:04:54.960 whisked away done. You see, Labour's moral clarity has snapped, 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:59.320 driven by nothing more than Muslim votes in Southwest Sydney seats. 0:05:00.120 --> 0:05:04.760 And the problem for Albow now is his words are worthless, 0:05:05.160 --> 0:05:11.480 they don't mean anything because his priorities are skewed. On Friday, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:15.200 hours after the attack, he was donning the high viz 0:05:15.920 --> 0:05:20.600 making a manufacturing announcement in Perth on Saturday. He was, 0:05:20.640 --> 0:05:23.880 of course, pretending to be Leyton Hewitt. He then emerged 0:05:23.920 --> 0:05:26.880 on Sunday where he rocked up at the opening of 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:30.039 a train line in Perth of all things. And yesterday 0:05:30.040 --> 0:05:33.799 he was all smiles in Canberra with the President of Nauru. 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:40.120 Albo was everywhere except for in Melbourne, where he needed 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.320 to be. And the thing is, we have seen this 0:05:43.520 --> 0:05:47.040 narrative play out before. You recall after the Bondai stabbings 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:49.880 in April and after an alleged terror attack on a 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:53.560 Sydney bishop in the days after. It was certainly a 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.920 very unnerving few days in this country when we really 0:05:56.960 --> 0:06:01.240 needed leadership the most. And where was Albow While he 0:06:01.320 --> 0:06:04.800 was in Canberra, he was in Melbourne. He even went 0:06:04.880 --> 0:06:08.120 up to Gladstone in Queensland, enjoying practically a tour of 0:06:08.160 --> 0:06:12.320 the country in other states except for remaining in the 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:17.320 state that needed him his home state or how about 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:20.600 the crime crisis in Alice Springs. He was of course 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:25.240 dragged there kicking and screaming after precious from leaders. So 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:28.400 he made a five four visit, then flew out to 0:06:28.440 --> 0:06:31.280 Melbourne for the tennis because that's where his priorities were. 0:06:31.520 --> 0:06:35.200 He wiped his hands once again and moved on. Albo 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:39.040 is either never there or is never aware. 0:06:40.160 --> 0:06:43.800 Because I had commitments in Perth. Be very clear. This 0:06:43.880 --> 0:06:47.080 happened very early Friday morning. We've had these meetings today. 0:06:48.040 --> 0:06:52.360 You can only be in the room here in Canberra 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:56.279 getting national security briefings if you stick to the National 0:06:56.320 --> 0:07:01.000 Security Committee. I had the appointments in Perth. I'll be 0:07:01.080 --> 0:07:06.280 service there for three days. That was long arranged. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:10.400 And where have we heard similar excuses when he's not 0:07:10.520 --> 0:07:11.600 there or not aware. 0:07:12.960 --> 0:07:18.840 I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:20.680 advised about that. 0:07:21.120 --> 0:07:21.640 Have you ever. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:25.120 Contact with jan and dashed up following those strikes overnight? 0:07:25.680 --> 0:07:25.920 No? 0:07:26.640 --> 0:07:26.920 Hope. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.240 Well I've been here in Melbourne, so. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:35.760 No, I have not. 0:07:36.720 --> 0:07:40.720 Yes, he's been everywhere and nowhere. And as I said, 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:44.480 this is the accidental Prime minister who has no idea 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.960 how to lead because this is a national crisis of 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:52.920 Labour's own making and our both silence, his weakness, his 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.040 vanishing act when we need him the most is worse 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:02.200 than I don't hold a hose now just quickly, I 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:04.800 just want to mention that I specifically asked for one 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:08.160 very small, minor change to the man cave tonight, and 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:11.080 that is right behind me here on my left moving 0:08:11.120 --> 0:08:13.800 the Australian flag behind me. Now, don't worry, Paul Murray, 0:08:13.840 --> 0:08:15.600 if you're watching at home, I'll put it back in 0:08:15.680 --> 0:08:18.320 its original place for when you return. But look, I 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:20.680 just wanted to give you at home a bit of 0:08:20.680 --> 0:08:23.840 a visual as to what press conferences will look like 0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:27.360 under Peter Dutton next year should he be elected. Here 0:08:27.400 --> 0:08:29.960 it is he has pledged to stand in front of 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:34.400 this flag here, one flag, one flag, only our flag, 0:08:34.960 --> 0:08:39.880 the Australian flag, not three flags, but the one. And 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.319 here he was speaking to Peter Kredline. 0:08:42.800 --> 0:08:45.520 We are a country united under one flag. And if 0:08:45.520 --> 0:08:49.199 we're asking people to identify with different flags, now where 0:08:49.200 --> 0:08:54.280 the country does that, and we are dividing our country unnecessarily. 0:08:54.360 --> 0:08:56.400 That we are good on him. It is called the 0:08:56.400 --> 0:08:59.960 Trump effect, pushing back against the woke and the virtue singing, 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.440 because we should be proud of this. We should be 0:09:03.520 --> 0:09:06.880 so proud of our Australian flag. And next step, in 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:11.440 my view, get rid of the welcome to country. All right, 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:13.800 let's get into the conversation now, joining me as Liberal 0:09:13.880 --> 0:09:17.079 Senator Holly Hughes and Lisa Godard from a dony media 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:19.800 up in Brisbane. I could hear you you were seething 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:23.400 just then the Holy I could tell that that what 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:27.560 we just laid well of the Prime minister. I could 0:09:27.600 --> 0:09:28.680 tell you were getting angry. 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:30.800 He is just appalling. 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.520 And you know, I think, as we all go through 0:09:33.600 --> 0:09:35.760 every day to day and you get caught up with 0:09:35.800 --> 0:09:37.880 all different parts of your life and I'm in politics, 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.400 some of it you kind of forget, you know, you 0:09:40.440 --> 0:09:41.880 don't remember everything. 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:45.560 And you're right, everything he says is worse than I 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:46.480 don't hold a hose. 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:49.120 That was one comment Scott Morrison made, and yet it's 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:50.960 still being trotted out. 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:51.959 This is a. 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:55.760 Guy who has consistently let our nation down, who has 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.920 absolutely no idea when he needs to be seen as 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:03.840 offering strong leadership to the country. And I was listening 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.800 to you though, talk about his weakness. I'm actually starting 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.720 to think it might be more his arrogance because prime 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:14.679 ministers have very big staffs. We know labor parties need 0:10:14.760 --> 0:10:17.079 to have very big staffs. They always have much bigger 0:10:17.120 --> 0:10:21.520 staffs than when liberal coalition governments are in Where is 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:25.840 someone grabbing him and saying, get back on your favorite 0:10:25.880 --> 0:10:29.720 part of this job, the VIP and get yourself to Melbourne, 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:32.840 get yourself back to Sydney. After the stabbings in Bondi 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:37.000 Junctional when the bishop was attacked. He's obviously so arrogant 0:10:37.240 --> 0:10:40.480 because there must be and I'm giving people in labor 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:42.760 the benefit of the doubt here, there must be someone 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:45.800 in there saying this is a terror attack on home soil. 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:48.440 The fact that he was just saying, I can only 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:50.640 get briefed in this particular roming camera. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:52.440 I mean, Sach, do you remember when. 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:54.480 September eleven happened and they came in and they spoke 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.400 to George Bush while he was reading a story. 0:10:56.520 --> 0:10:57.479 I mean, God. 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:02.120 Forbid anything happened like that to us, because if you know, Albow. 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.040 Wasn't right near the National Security room. 0:11:04.080 --> 0:11:05.320 Will therefore no one could have. 0:11:05.360 --> 0:11:08.480 A gone sad have some self awareness. Okay, fine, he's 0:11:08.480 --> 0:11:10.200 got a huge team. Okay, I know. I think he's 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:12.400 got a team of ten to twelve. That would be 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:15.120 his media, that would be his meeting. That's just the media, 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:18.160 the media team. But beyond that, have some self awareness, 0:11:18.240 --> 0:11:20.800 Go okay, is this a good look? Me donning my 0:11:20.880 --> 0:11:24.920 white and going and practicing my backhand in the middle 0:11:24.960 --> 0:11:27.920 of a terrorist incident in this country? And have a look, 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:29.720 I want to play this to both of you. This 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:33.280 was some of the people outside the synagogue today. Have 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.599 a listen to what they said to Albo. We'll do 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:43.160 stayed for ten back the prime mins. Theecond name calls fancy, 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:46.160 but what are you doing for us? Lisa? As you 0:11:46.160 --> 0:11:49.520 could hear there, they were not giving him a good reception, 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.800 and rightly so, because what has he done since October 0:11:52.840 --> 0:11:55.480 seven last year to help the Jewish community. 0:11:57.679 --> 0:12:00.000 Well yeah, they've absolutely been looking to him for leadership 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:02.600 and they've had none. This has been allowed to happen 0:12:02.640 --> 0:12:06.040 because he hasn't taken a strong stand since October last year. 0:12:06.120 --> 0:12:08.760 So this is what we're now dealing with in this country. 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.520 And look, I agree with Holly. He should have had 0:12:11.720 --> 0:12:14.720 the moral compass and the leadership to say, Okay, I 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.400 need to get I need to go to Melbourne. I 0:12:16.480 --> 0:12:18.120 need to be there and I need to talk to 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.280 the Jewish people, not stay in Perth. And I don't 0:12:21.280 --> 0:12:24.120 know what his advisors were doing. I do media for 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:27.240 a living. I advise when you're in a crisis communications 0:12:27.320 --> 0:12:30.240 situation and you have to think about what is the 0:12:30.360 --> 0:12:32.280 risk of not going out there and saying something. 0:12:32.520 --> 0:12:34.360 He should have been in Melbourne. 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.040 He should not have had to be called out by 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.360 Peter Darton to say that this is a terrorist attack. 0:12:38.760 --> 0:12:40.480 He should have had the people around him and he 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.680 should have had the sense to say I'm going there 0:12:42.720 --> 0:12:44.400 and I'm going to do what I did today, and 0:12:44.440 --> 0:12:46.679 maybe he wouldn't have copped the vitriol. 0:12:46.280 --> 0:12:48.560 That he did, and rightly so look absolutely, And the 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.360 other thing is, Holly, he's got a private jet. 0:12:50.559 --> 0:12:52.240 No, it's not like he's got to ring up quantity. 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:54.640 We know he can do that. I get a person 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.880 And again he's not sitting on the line to webject 0:13:00.280 --> 0:13:03.360 is there a commercial flight getting me back to Melbourne 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:04.079 from Perth. 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:08.040 I mean, it's his favorite part of the job. He 0:13:08.200 --> 0:13:11.679 was Airbus Elbow for a reason. He loves that jet, 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:12.760 loves it. 0:13:12.840 --> 0:13:14.959 He loves that jet. But the get on that jet 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:16.760 and get back home and. 0:13:16.840 --> 0:13:19.680 You know it's sitting there waiting, ready to go. It's 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:22.079 ready at any point in time. And the fact that 0:13:22.120 --> 0:13:26.600 he is so tone death is so incapable of reading 0:13:26.960 --> 0:13:30.280 the mood of the country. And as we've acknowledged, this 0:13:30.360 --> 0:13:33.880 isn't the first incident. There's been many incidents. Whether it 0:13:34.000 --> 0:13:36.360 was the October ninth on the Opera House, whether it 0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:40.319 was the Bono Junction stabbings, whether it was the Bishop 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:44.520 Murray attack. There have been a series of incidents that 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:47.520 he has done nothing with. Like, as Lisa said, maybe 0:13:47.600 --> 0:13:49.600 she should put a pitch in, Lise, maybe they'll give 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:51.560 you a go bit of crisis. 0:13:51.160 --> 0:13:54.760 Management for the tag he might need from. 0:13:54.559 --> 0:13:57.360 You, because they've had a few trial runs and they're 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.120 just not getting it right, just not responding. So you know, 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:02.800 I don't know what's the woman that used to be 0:14:02.840 --> 0:14:04.760 at the Guardian Murpherou. 0:14:04.440 --> 0:14:07.480 Maybe what's she doing? What what does she do? 0:14:07.600 --> 0:14:11.400 I saw Murferoe swaning around it. We actually had a 0:14:11.400 --> 0:14:14.320 parliamentary sports day. You want to talk about tennis injuries, 0:14:14.320 --> 0:14:15.920 You should see the brew is still on my leg 0:14:15.960 --> 0:14:18.679 from a full fledged going for the ball there you go, 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:23.360 full athletic, a full ally athlete. But you know, we 0:14:23.360 --> 0:14:28.920 were raising money for the Combat Welfare job Gibbons Sons, 0:14:29.000 --> 0:14:31.960 the charity there and you know, but there's murferrou walking 0:14:31.960 --> 0:14:34.120 around a rugby field. But at what point was she 0:14:34.160 --> 0:14:36.560 going to say to him, Actually, maybe tennis is in 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:39.040 a good least forget yourself to melody. 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:40.800 And he's done the wine. But he was fully prepared 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:43.280 for his test, and she had the suit, the whole 0:14:43.280 --> 0:14:46.440 white suit suit going at least no, no, sorry sorry 0:14:46.440 --> 0:14:47.800 interupt Yeah, what were you saying? 0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:50.920 Well, I was going to say, but do not even 0:14:51.000 --> 0:14:53.880 stop and actually address the questions that were thrown at him. 0:14:53.880 --> 0:14:55.920 He didn't even try to take control of that situation. 0:14:56.200 --> 0:14:58.840 So he left that looking very weak. And if you 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:01.320 read I was fine with these stories. It's always interesting 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:03.280 to look at the comments, and one of them was 0:15:03.320 --> 0:15:05.920 I'm embarrassed to be a labor voter. So if you 0:15:06.040 --> 0:15:09.120 have people within the Labor party saying, well, this is 0:15:09.160 --> 0:15:11.480 a disgrace and you have let us down and you 0:15:11.520 --> 0:15:14.200 are not showing any strength as a leader, then you 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:15.600 have a big problem. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:17.680 I agree. And least. The other thing is is that 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.800 you know, he says that Jewish people have a right 0:15:20.840 --> 0:15:25.640 to feel safe. The reality is is the Friday's attack 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:30.160 actually proves why Jewish people are not safe right now 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:32.480 in this country. When we saw there, there was a 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:34.800 representative of one of the Jewish associations. He says that 0:15:34.800 --> 0:15:37.840 they're taking off that the kipper, they're taking off the 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:40.920 Jewish skull cap when they're out in public because they 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:44.080 are so scared that they're going to be set upon. 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:48.200 And for the Prime Minister just seemingly sworn in and 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:52.720 sworn out, what message is that sending them? 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.480 Yeah, look, it just didn't look sincere from a purely 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:57.680 media optics And I know there's more to play than 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.040 this and just how it's looking to the public, but 0:16:00.080 --> 0:16:03.280 from an optics perspective, it looked shockingly bad for the 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:05.760 Prime minister. It was a dereliction of what we expect 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.000 from him. He should have been showing leadership. He should 0:16:08.000 --> 0:16:11.160 have stopped, he should have addressed the questions and to 0:16:11.160 --> 0:16:12.760 go back to the main point, he should have been 0:16:12.800 --> 0:16:14.400 there three days four days ago. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.640 Yeah. Absolutely, Well, look let's move on now, because the 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:19.680 other thing I brought up in my editorial is, of 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:23.720 course this right here, this beautiful flag, Dutton's decision to 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:26.680 only stand in front of the Australian flag. But I've 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:30.160 got to play you this is Labour's reaction today, No surprises, 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.040 he was Amanda Rishworth. I think this. 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:36.160 Says Peter Dunn, just doing what he knows how to 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:38.720 do best, try and get a headline with no substance, 0:16:39.000 --> 0:16:43.320 no real policies about, for example, tackling cost of living 0:16:43.760 --> 0:16:46.000 or things that really mattered. 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:49.040 To the Australian people. Holly, Remember, I've got to say 0:16:49.080 --> 0:16:52.640 when sixty percent of us voted no to olpoth division 0:16:52.760 --> 0:16:54.760 or is that quick? That's the escape the memory of 0:16:54.800 --> 0:16:55.880 the Labor Party. 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:58.080 Already look and not to return to the previous topic. 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.360 But you know, stoking division. We saw ed husic today 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.280 and I'm surprised that Immanists didn't say it when they 0:17:04.359 --> 0:17:09.720 can't say anti Semitism without also bringing in Islamophobia. And 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:13.159 we are one nation, we are one people, and sixty 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:16.400 percent of us did say no to the voice of division. 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:17.879 And it is our flag. 0:17:17.920 --> 0:17:19.800 There is no other country in the world where you 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.679 go and they have a series of different flags. And 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:27.840 it's quite interesting to meet with people and foreign groups 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:29.919 that come particularly through the Parliament, and you meet with them, 0:17:29.960 --> 0:17:33.600 they don't actually even always know what the additional flags 0:17:33.600 --> 0:17:36.320 are because they have got their national flag and the 0:17:36.320 --> 0:17:39.159 Australian flag on the bin they don't actually know what 0:17:39.200 --> 0:17:42.280 the others are, so it's really diluting of what our 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:43.439 national identity is. 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:44.520 It is our flag. 0:17:45.240 --> 0:17:46.960 If people don't like it, well they can do something 0:17:46.960 --> 0:17:49.440 about changing it. It's not like the Aboriginal flags being 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:53.000 the flag for the past, you know, three thousand years. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:53.240 You know. 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.919 These are recent sort of adaptations of a design. But 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:59.040 that is our flag. 0:17:59.119 --> 0:18:01.520 It is one nation under the flag, and we should 0:18:01.560 --> 0:18:02.520 be proud of our flag. 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:03.360 I certainly am. 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.080 And you know where I live in an apartment quite 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:09.040 high in a building. I love to fly, particularly around Australia. 0:18:09.119 --> 0:18:09.239 Day. 0:18:09.400 --> 0:18:11.480 Good on you and you all do the same thing. 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:12.480 Well, I was a bit upset. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:13.960 I got a phone call from our building that I 0:18:14.000 --> 0:18:16.359 had to take it down a couple of days. Alfter, no, 0:18:16.400 --> 0:18:17.800 they let me keep it up for a few days. 0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:20.720 But then they were like, okay, come on, you got 0:18:20.760 --> 0:18:21.680 to take it down now. 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:24.200 See I didn't agree with that. You should be able 0:18:24.240 --> 0:18:26.800 to fly our national flag. You know, the first give 0:18:26.880 --> 0:18:28.720 this is hanging over the glass. It's not like it's 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.800 not a flag. I mean the first time at least, 0:18:31.840 --> 0:18:34.240 I've got to say that I particularly noticed this was 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:36.280 it was only a couple of weeks ago when the 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.240 King and the Queen were here in Australia, and you 0:18:38.359 --> 0:18:41.240 recall the King made and addressed to Parliament and the 0:18:41.280 --> 0:18:43.920 only thing that I noticed was where he was standing. 0:18:44.040 --> 0:18:46.879 All you could see was the Aboriginal flag behind him. 0:18:46.920 --> 0:18:48.920 Even though he was here in Australia. You couldn't even 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.199 see the Australian flag in the shot. It was just 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:53.960 the Aboriginal fag And that really struck me. I thought, well, 0:18:54.640 --> 0:18:57.159 this is just not making sense, but is done and 0:18:57.240 --> 0:18:58.680 right on this? What's your thoughts? 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.520 Yeah, look, I agree, I have to you pay respect 0:19:03.560 --> 0:19:06.400 for the Indigenous flag and the Torrestra Islander flag sure 0:19:06.440 --> 0:19:09.240 has its place, but not when you're representing the country 0:19:09.280 --> 0:19:10.760 as a whole. And I agree with Holly and I 0:19:10.800 --> 0:19:12.880 agree with you there should be one flag which says 0:19:12.880 --> 0:19:16.000 we're all Australian. Because if you want to try and 0:19:16.000 --> 0:19:19.080 break down this division that we have sort of cracking 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:21.640 through this country, you have to bring every bike back, 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.919 everybody back into being Australian first. And I think about 0:19:26.640 --> 0:19:28.800 we have a problem at the moment where we can't 0:19:28.800 --> 0:19:30.800 get people joining up to the military and the numbers 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.800 that we need now they're fighting under the Australian flag. 0:19:33.840 --> 0:19:36.280 They don't have a bevy of flags behind them. They're 0:19:36.280 --> 0:19:38.440 fighting under the Australian flag. So we need to build 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.119 people to be proud of this country again and to 0:19:41.160 --> 0:19:42.920 be one and I think that is an important step 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.040 towards it. Interestingly, David Chris A. Fuley when he became 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:48.879 premier here in Queensland, the very first press conference that 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:50.840 we saw in what we call the Tower of Power, 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:55.439 there was huge, a bit of dust and turn all 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:58.560 kicked around because he had one flag behind him, the 0:19:58.600 --> 0:19:59.399 Australian flag. 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:02.879 There you go and there you go holy and then 0:20:02.920 --> 0:20:04.159 you know the other thing is and I mentioned this 0:20:04.240 --> 0:20:06.320 in the editorial as well. It's the same thing with 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:09.600 the Welcome to country at the moment because we tread 0:20:09.720 --> 0:20:12.119 very lightly, and we shouldn't have to tread lightly, but 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.480 there's always this fear of we're going to offend somebody. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.920 You know, if the Aboriginal flag's not there, that's upsetting. 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:19.399 If we don't do a welcome to country before an 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:23.119 event or before anything, that's going to upset somebody. But 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.359 at what point do we push back? I mean, we 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:27.320 want to start pushing back and saying. 0:20:27.240 --> 0:20:31.320 No, maybe I'm not so worried about being offensive because I. 0:20:31.280 --> 0:20:33.560 Don't think any I mean, if you're filming on Sky News, 0:20:33.600 --> 0:20:35.959 you're not too cons Because Lydia Thorpe and I had 0:20:35.960 --> 0:20:37.800 a bit of a stoush one night in the Senate 0:20:37.840 --> 0:20:40.159 because in the middle of one of her speeches she 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:44.040 started doing another sort of acknowledgment of country and I 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:46.840