Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello
Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. I'm Danikiti Giorgio. It's great
Speaker 1: to be filling in on the show this evening. Now, look,
Speaker 1: I've got to admit since I was here last he
Speaker 1: was only a couple of weeks ago, you might remember
Speaker 1: I haven't smoked a cigar yet. But I really am
Speaker 1: doing my very best to fill in here, So it's
Speaker 1: certainly very good to be back. Coming up this evening
Speaker 1: a huge show. Albo lives up to his nickname as
Speaker 1: the Accidental Prime Minister as he finally decides to visit
Speaker 1: Melbourne's Adas Synagogue. The RBA plays Christmas greench as rates
Speaker 1: remain on hold, but it's not all their fault, and
Speaker 1: we will go live to Nigel Faraj in the UK
Speaker 1: as his Reform Party is set to make a big announcement,
Speaker 1: But first to Albo. Dear, oh dear, who today, four
Speaker 1: days of course after the fact, decided to pop on
Speaker 1: a Jewish skull cap and make his long awaited belated
Speaker 1: appearance at the scene of the synagogue terror attack. Four
Speaker 1: days too late. He just he doesn't get it. He
Speaker 1: doesn't get it, does he it's as if you know,
Speaker 1: he was handed the keys to the lodge, but he
Speaker 1: still hasn't quite figured out yet how to open the door.
Speaker 1: The accidental Prime Minister, Now, how does this sit with
Speaker 1: you at home? Anthony Aarberzi was on Saturday showing off
Speaker 1: his skills at the Cottaslow Tennis Club in Perth, Theories
Speaker 1: donning his white uniform, and later was whining and dining
Speaker 1: labor donors at a fundraising event, all the while a
Speaker 1: synagogue was burnt in a terror attack in Melbourne. Keyword
Speaker 1: there terror. So this is a prime Minister who will
Speaker 1: forever be known as the leader who played tennis dazzled
Speaker 1: donors as a terror attack unfolded on home. Soil let
Speaker 1: that sink in and just remember the attack happened the
Speaker 1: day prior. So this was all on the Prime Minister.
Speaker 1: It was his call to carry on with his weekend.
Speaker 1: That was the priority of the leader of this country.
Speaker 1: As the Jewish community in Melbourne and in Australia say
Speaker 1: that they are not safe in the country, he leads, I've.
Speaker 2: Heard from many, many people within the Jewish community that
Speaker 2: quite frankly, don't go into the CBD on a Sunday,
Speaker 2: or if they do, they will take this skull cap off,
Speaker 2: they will deidentify as Jews, for fear that if they
Speaker 2: wear this in the central business district they are at
Speaker 2: risk of being a target.
Speaker 1: So today, four days after that fire bombing, Albo decided
Speaker 1: to rock up, finally going and visiting the Adas Synagogue
Speaker 1: only after days of pressure and of course doing his best,
Speaker 1: if I may say so, to appear extremely all quit.
Speaker 3: I went to my first bar mitzvah on Saturday.
Speaker 1: Great, great terrific. Was that before or was that after
Speaker 1: the Tennis prime minister? Now you can see by the
Speaker 1: vision outside the synagogue today it was certainly tense. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a community that is rightly angry. And after
Speaker 1: inspecting the rubble and quickly posing for a photo inside
Speaker 1: there it is, Albo emerged wearing a kipper on his head,
Speaker 1: the Jewish skull cap and said.
Speaker 3: This, this arson attack is an act of terrorism that
Speaker 3: was fueled by anti Semitism, and it was stoked by hatred.
Speaker 3: Where a country that needs to come together in unite
Speaker 3: on behalf of my government that I lead into doing what.
Speaker 4: We need to do to restore.
Speaker 3: Synagogue, including providing whatever support is necessary financially and then
Speaker 3: that was it.
Speaker 1: That was it. He refused to even take questions and
Speaker 1: was quickly whisked away, very quickly, no accountability. And you
Speaker 1: see the problem here is we've heard these comments over
Speaker 1: and over. Yes he's condemned it, yes he's called it
Speaker 1: anti Semitism, but what has he actually done since October
Speaker 1: seven last year to stamp out anti Semitism? Nothing from
Speaker 1: the steps of the Sydney Opera House to preachers celebrating
Speaker 1: the slaughter of twelve hundred dues week in week out,
Speaker 1: the intimidating pro Palestine rallies. Even last week there was
Speaker 1: one held in front of a synagogue. We've got Hesbula
Speaker 1: flags being waved in the streets and where was Elbow, Oh? Nowhere.
Speaker 1: The accidental Prime Minister gives his usual we condemn this
Speaker 1: speech and then let's say it, wipes hands, walks away,
Speaker 1: whisked away done. You see, Labour's moral clarity has snapped,
Speaker 1: driven by nothing more than Muslim votes in Southwest Sydney seats.
Speaker 1: And the problem for Albow now is his words are worthless,
Speaker 1: they don't mean anything because his priorities are skewed. On Friday,
Speaker 1: hours after the attack, he was donning the high viz
Speaker 1: making a manufacturing announcement in Perth on Saturday. He was,
Speaker 1: of course, pretending to be Leyton Hewitt. He then emerged
Speaker 1: on Sunday where he rocked up at the opening of
Speaker 1: a train line in Perth of all things. And yesterday
Speaker 1: he was all smiles in Canberra with the President of Nauru.
Speaker 1: Albo was everywhere except for in Melbourne, where he needed
Speaker 1: to be. And the thing is, we have seen this
Speaker 1: narrative play out before. You recall after the Bondai stabbings
Speaker 1: in April and after an alleged terror attack on a
Speaker 1: Sydney bishop in the days after. It was certainly a
Speaker 1: very unnerving few days in this country when we really
Speaker 1: needed leadership the most. And where was Albow While he
Speaker 1: was in Canberra, he was in Melbourne. He even went
Speaker 1: up to Gladstone in Queensland, enjoying practically a tour of
Speaker 1: the country in other states except for remaining in the
Speaker 1: state that needed him his home state or how about
Speaker 1: the crime crisis in Alice Springs. He was of course
Speaker 1: dragged there kicking and screaming after precious from leaders. So
Speaker 1: he made a five four visit, then flew out to
Speaker 1: Melbourne for the tennis because that's where his priorities were.
Speaker 1: He wiped his hands once again and moved on. Albo
Speaker 1: is either never there or is never aware.
Speaker 3: Because I had commitments in Perth. Be very clear. This
Speaker 3: happened very early Friday morning. We've had these meetings today.
Speaker 3: You can only be in the room here in Canberra
Speaker 3: getting national security briefings if you stick to the National
Speaker 3: Security Committee. I had the appointments in Perth. I'll be
Speaker 3: service there for three days. That was long arranged.
Speaker 1: And where have we heard similar excuses when he's not
Speaker 1: there or not aware.
Speaker 3: I've been traveling in the car, so I haven't been
Speaker 3: advised about that.
Speaker 5: Have you ever.
Speaker 6: Contact with jan and dashed up following those strikes overnight?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 7: Hope.
Speaker 3: Well I've been here in Melbourne, so.
Speaker 8: No, I have not.
Speaker 1: Yes, he's been everywhere and nowhere. And as I said,
Speaker 1: this is the accidental Prime minister who has no idea
Speaker 1: how to lead because this is a national crisis of
Speaker 1: Labour's own making and our both silence, his weakness, his
Speaker 1: vanishing act when we need him the most is worse
Speaker 1: than I don't hold a hose now just quickly, I
Speaker 1: just want to mention that I specifically asked for one
Speaker 1: very small, minor change to the man cave tonight, and
Speaker 1: that is right behind me here on my left moving
Speaker 1: the Australian flag behind me. Now, don't worry, Paul Murray,
Speaker 1: if you're watching at home, I'll put it back in
Speaker 1: its original place for when you return. But look, I
Speaker 1: just wanted to give you at home a bit of
Speaker 1: a visual as to what press conferences will look like
Speaker 1: under Peter Dutton next year should he be elected. Here
Speaker 1: it is he has pledged to stand in front of
Speaker 1: this flag here, one flag, one flag, only our flag,
Speaker 1: the Australian flag, not three flags, but the one. And
Speaker 1: here he was speaking to Peter Kredline.
Speaker 9: We are a country united under one flag. And if
Speaker 9: we're asking people to identify with different flags, now where
Speaker 9: the country does that, and we are dividing our country unnecessarily.
Speaker 1: That we are good on him. It is called the
Speaker 1: Trump effect, pushing back against the woke and the virtue singing,
Speaker 1: because we should be proud of this. We should be
Speaker 1: so proud of our Australian flag. And next step, in
Speaker 1: my view, get rid of the welcome to country. All right,
Speaker 1: let's get into the conversation now, joining me as Liberal
Speaker 1: Senator Holly Hughes and Lisa Godard from a dony media
Speaker 1: up in Brisbane. I could hear you you were seething
Speaker 1: just then the Holy I could tell that that what
Speaker 1: we just laid well of the Prime minister. I could
Speaker 1: tell you were getting angry.
Speaker 10: He is just appalling.
Speaker 11: And you know, I think, as we all go through
Speaker 11: every day to day and you get caught up with
Speaker 11: all different parts of your life and I'm in politics,
Speaker 11: some of it you kind of forget, you know, you
Speaker 11: don't remember everything.
Speaker 12: And you're right, everything he says is worse than I
Speaker 12: don't hold a hose.
Speaker 11: That was one comment Scott Morrison made, and yet it's
Speaker 11: still being trotted out.
Speaker 10: This is a.
Speaker 11: Guy who has consistently let our nation down, who has
Speaker 11: absolutely no idea when he needs to be seen as
Speaker 11: offering strong leadership to the country. And I was listening
Speaker 11: to you though, talk about his weakness. I'm actually starting
Speaker 11: to think it might be more his arrogance because prime
Speaker 11: ministers have very big staffs. We know labor parties need
Speaker 11: to have very big staffs. They always have much bigger
Speaker 11: staffs than when liberal coalition governments are in Where is
Speaker 11: someone grabbing him and saying, get back on your favorite
Speaker 11: part of this job, the VIP and get yourself to Melbourne,
Speaker 11: get yourself back to Sydney. After the stabbings in Bondi
Speaker 11: Junctional when the bishop was attacked. He's obviously so arrogant
Speaker 11: because there must be and I'm giving people in labor
Speaker 11: the benefit of the doubt here, there must be someone
Speaker 11: in there saying this is a terror attack on home soil.
Speaker 11: The fact that he was just saying, I can only
Speaker 11: get briefed in this particular roming camera.
Speaker 1: I mean, Sach, do you remember when.
Speaker 11: September eleven happened and they came in and they spoke
Speaker 11: to George Bush while he was reading a story.
Speaker 1: I mean, God.
Speaker 11: Forbid anything happened like that to us, because if you know, Albow.
Speaker 10: Wasn't right near the National Security room.
Speaker 12: Will therefore no one could have.
Speaker 1: A gone sad have some self awareness. Okay, fine, he's
Speaker 1: got a huge team. Okay, I know. I think he's
Speaker 1: got a team of ten to twelve. That would be
Speaker 1: his media, that would be his meeting. That's just the media,
Speaker 1: the media team. But beyond that, have some self awareness,
Speaker 1: Go okay, is this a good look? Me donning my
Speaker 1: white and going and practicing my backhand in the middle
Speaker 1: of a terrorist incident in this country? And have a look,
Speaker 1: I want to play this to both of you. This
Speaker 1: was some of the people outside the synagogue today. Have
Speaker 1: a listen to what they said to Albo. We'll do
Speaker 1: stayed for ten back the prime mins. Theecond name calls fancy,
Speaker 1: but what are you doing for us? Lisa? As you
Speaker 1: could hear there, they were not giving him a good reception,
Speaker 1: and rightly so, because what has he done since October
Speaker 1: seven last year to help the Jewish community.
Speaker 13: Well yeah, they've absolutely been looking to him for leadership
Speaker 13: and they've had none. This has been allowed to happen
Speaker 13: because he hasn't taken a strong stand since October last year.
Speaker 13: So this is what we're now dealing with in this country.
Speaker 13: And look, I agree with Holly. He should have had
Speaker 13: the moral compass and the leadership to say, Okay, I
Speaker 13: need to get I need to go to Melbourne. I
Speaker 13: need to be there and I need to talk to
Speaker 13: the Jewish people, not stay in Perth. And I don't
Speaker 13: know what his advisors were doing. I do media for
Speaker 13: a living. I advise when you're in a crisis communications
Speaker 13: situation and you have to think about what is the
Speaker 13: risk of not going out there and saying something.
Speaker 1: He should have been in Melbourne.
Speaker 13: He should not have had to be called out by
Speaker 13: Peter Darton to say that this is a terrorist attack.
Speaker 13: He should have had the people around him and he
Speaker 13: should have had the sense to say I'm going there
Speaker 13: and I'm going to do what I did today, and
Speaker 13: maybe he wouldn't have copped the vitriol.
Speaker 1: That he did, and rightly so look absolutely, And the
Speaker 1: other thing is, Holly, he's got a private jet.
Speaker 11: No, it's not like he's got to ring up quantity.
Speaker 11: We know he can do that. I get a person
Speaker 11: And again he's not sitting on the line to webject
Speaker 11: is there a commercial flight getting me back to Melbourne
Speaker 11: from Perth.
Speaker 12: I mean, it's his favorite part of the job. He
Speaker 12: was Airbus Elbow for a reason. He loves that jet,
Speaker 12: loves it.
Speaker 1: He loves that jet. But the get on that jet
Speaker 1: and get back home and.
Speaker 11: You know it's sitting there waiting, ready to go. It's
Speaker 11: ready at any point in time. And the fact that
Speaker 11: he is so tone death is so incapable of reading
Speaker 11: the mood of the country. And as we've acknowledged, this
Speaker 11: isn't the first incident. There's been many incidents. Whether it
Speaker 11: was the October ninth on the Opera House, whether it
Speaker 11: was the Bono Junction stabbings, whether it was the Bishop
Speaker 11: Murray attack. There have been a series of incidents that
Speaker 11: he has done nothing with. Like, as Lisa said, maybe
Speaker 11: she should put a pitch in, Lise, maybe they'll give
Speaker 11: you a go bit of crisis.
Speaker 10: Management for the tag he might need from.
Speaker 11: You, because they've had a few trial runs and they're
Speaker 11: just not getting it right, just not responding. So you know,
Speaker 11: I don't know what's the woman that used to be
Speaker 11: at the Guardian Murpherou.
Speaker 1: Maybe what's she doing? What what does she do?
Speaker 11: I saw Murferoe swaning around it. We actually had a
Speaker 11: parliamentary sports day. You want to talk about tennis injuries,
Speaker 11: You should see the brew is still on my leg
Speaker 11: from a full fledged going for the ball there you go,
Speaker 11: full athletic, a full ally athlete. But you know, we
Speaker 11: were raising money for the Combat Welfare job Gibbons Sons,
Speaker 11: the charity there and you know, but there's murferrou walking
Speaker 11: around a rugby field. But at what point was she
Speaker 11: going to say to him, Actually, maybe tennis is in
Speaker 11: a good least forget yourself to melody.
Speaker 1: And he's done the wine. But he was fully prepared
Speaker 1: for his test, and she had the suit, the whole
Speaker 1: white suit suit going at least no, no, sorry sorry
Speaker 1: interupt Yeah, what were you saying?
Speaker 13: Well, I was going to say, but do not even
Speaker 13: stop and actually address the questions that were thrown at him.
Speaker 13: He didn't even try to take control of that situation.
Speaker 13: So he left that looking very weak. And if you
Speaker 13: read I was fine with these stories. It's always interesting
Speaker 13: to look at the comments, and one of them was
Speaker 13: I'm embarrassed to be a labor voter. So if you
Speaker 13: have people within the Labor party saying, well, this is
Speaker 13: a disgrace and you have let us down and you
Speaker 13: are not showing any strength as a leader, then you
Speaker 13: have a big problem.
Speaker 1: I agree. And least. The other thing is is that
Speaker 1: you know, he says that Jewish people have a right
Speaker 1: to feel safe. The reality is is the Friday's attack
Speaker 1: actually proves why Jewish people are not safe right now
Speaker 1: in this country. When we saw there, there was a
Speaker 1: representative of one of the Jewish associations. He says that
Speaker 1: they're taking off that the kipper, they're taking off the
Speaker 1: Jewish skull cap when they're out in public because they
Speaker 1: are so scared that they're going to be set upon.
Speaker 1: And for the Prime Minister just seemingly sworn in and
Speaker 1: sworn out, what message is that sending them?
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, it just didn't look sincere from a purely
Speaker 13: media optics And I know there's more to play than
Speaker 13: this and just how it's looking to the public, but
Speaker 13: from an optics perspective, it looked shockingly bad for the
Speaker 13: Prime minister. It was a dereliction of what we expect
Speaker 13: from him. He should have been showing leadership. He should
Speaker 13: have stopped, he should have addressed the questions and to
Speaker 13: go back to the main point, he should have been
Speaker 13: there three days four days ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, Well, look let's move on now, because the
Speaker 1: other thing I brought up in my editorial is, of
Speaker 1: course this right here, this beautiful flag, Dutton's decision to
Speaker 1: only stand in front of the Australian flag. But I've
Speaker 1: got to play you this is Labour's reaction today, No surprises,
Speaker 1: he was Amanda Rishworth. I think this.
Speaker 5: Says Peter Dunn, just doing what he knows how to
Speaker 5: do best, try and get a headline with no substance,
Speaker 5: no real policies about, for example, tackling cost of living
Speaker 5: or things that really mattered.
Speaker 1: To the Australian people. Holly, Remember, I've got to say
Speaker 1: when sixty percent of us voted no to olpoth division
Speaker 1: or is that quick? That's the escape the memory of
Speaker 1: the Labor Party.
Speaker 11: Already look and not to return to the previous topic.
Speaker 11: But you know, stoking division. We saw ed husic today
Speaker 11: and I'm surprised that Immanists didn't say it when they
Speaker 11: can't say anti Semitism without also bringing in Islamophobia. And
Speaker 11: we are one nation, we are one people, and sixty
Speaker 11: percent of us did say no to the voice of division.
Speaker 12: And it is our flag.
Speaker 11: There is no other country in the world where you
Speaker 11: go and they have a series of different flags. And
Speaker 11: it's quite interesting to meet with people and foreign groups
Speaker 11: that come particularly through the Parliament, and you meet with them,
Speaker 11: they don't actually even always know what the additional flags
Speaker 11: are because they have got their national flag and the
Speaker 11: Australian flag on the bin they don't actually know what
Speaker 11: the others are, so it's really diluting of what our
Speaker 11: national identity is.
Speaker 12: It is our flag.
Speaker 11: If people don't like it, well they can do something
Speaker 11: about changing it. It's not like the Aboriginal flags being
Speaker 11: the flag for the past, you know, three thousand years.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 12: These are recent sort of adaptations of a design. But
Speaker 12: that is our flag.
Speaker 11: It is one nation under the flag, and we should
Speaker 11: be proud of our flag.
Speaker 12: I certainly am.
Speaker 11: And you know where I live in an apartment quite
Speaker 11: high in a building. I love to fly, particularly around Australia.
Speaker 3: Day.
Speaker 1: Good on you and you all do the same thing.
Speaker 10: Well, I was a bit upset.
Speaker 11: I got a phone call from our building that I
Speaker 11: had to take it down a couple of days. Alfter, no,
Speaker 11: they let me keep it up for a few days.
Speaker 11: But then they were like, okay, come on, you got
Speaker 11: to take it down now.
Speaker 1: See I didn't agree with that. You should be able
Speaker 1: to fly our national flag. You know, the first give
Speaker 1: this is hanging over the glass. It's not like it's
Speaker 1: not a flag. I mean the first time at least,
Speaker 1: I've got to say that I particularly noticed this was
Speaker 1: it was only a couple of weeks ago when the
Speaker 1: King and the Queen were here in Australia, and you
Speaker 1: recall the King made and addressed to Parliament and the
Speaker 1: only thing that I noticed was where he was standing.
Speaker 1: All you could see was the Aboriginal flag behind him.
Speaker 1: Even though he was here in Australia. You couldn't even
Speaker 1: see the Australian flag in the shot. It was just
Speaker 1: the Aboriginal fag And that really struck me. I thought, well,
Speaker 1: this is just not making sense, but is done and
Speaker 1: right on this? What's your thoughts?
Speaker 13: Yeah, look, I agree, I have to you pay respect
Speaker 13: for the Indigenous flag and the Torrestra Islander flag sure
Speaker 13: has its place, but not when you're representing the country
Speaker 13: as a whole. And I agree with Holly and I
Speaker 13: agree with you there should be one flag which says
Speaker 13: we're all Australian. Because if you want to try and
Speaker 13: break down this division that we have sort of cracking
Speaker 13: through this country, you have to bring every bike back,
Speaker 13: everybody back into being Australian first. And I think about
Speaker 13: we have a problem at the moment where we can't
Speaker 13: get people joining up to the military and the numbers
Speaker 13: that we need now they're fighting under the Australian flag.
Speaker 13: They don't have a bevy of flags behind them. They're
Speaker 13: fighting under the Australian flag. So we need to build
Speaker 13: people to be proud of this country again and to
Speaker 13: be one and I think that is an important step
Speaker 13: towards it. Interestingly, David Chris A. Fuley when he became
Speaker 13: premier here in Queensland, the very first press conference that
Speaker 13: we saw in what we call the Tower of Power,
Speaker 13: there was huge, a bit of dust and turn all
Speaker 13: kicked around because he had one flag behind him, the
Speaker 13: Australian flag.
Speaker 1: There you go and there you go holy and then
Speaker 1: you know the other thing is and I mentioned this
Speaker 1: in the editorial as well. It's the same thing with
Speaker 1: the Welcome to country at the moment because we tread
Speaker 1: very lightly, and we shouldn't have to tread lightly, but
Speaker 1: there's always this fear of we're going to offend somebody.
Speaker 1: You know, if the Aboriginal flag's not there, that's upsetting.
Speaker 1: If we don't do a welcome to country before an
Speaker 1: event or before anything, that's going to upset somebody. But
Speaker 1: at what point do we push back? I mean, we
Speaker 1: want to start pushing back and saying.
Speaker 11: No, maybe I'm not so worried about being offensive because I.
Speaker 1: Don't think any I mean, if you're filming on Sky News,
Speaker 1: you're not too cons Because Lydia Thorpe and I had
Speaker 1: a bit of a stoush one night in the Senate
Speaker 1: because in the middle of one of her speeches she
Speaker 1: started doing another sort of acknowledgment of country and I
Speaker 1: made a comment to a fellow senator.
Speaker 11: You know, oh god, how many times are we going
Speaker 11: to do this today? And you know, she told me
Speaker 11: she felt unsafe in her workplace and it was racism.
Speaker 11: And it led to quite the to and fro. But
Speaker 11: you know it is it's becoming ridiculous, it's becoming pointless.
Speaker 11: It's becoming one of those things that are just token istic,
Speaker 11: and it's losing any value.
Speaker 12: And again, this is not a tradition. This is not.
Speaker 11: Something that goes back thousands of years. This was started
Speaker 11: by Ernie Dingo in like the seventies.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 11: This is the most insane thing behind it. You know,
Speaker 11: not only the cost, it's the absolute ridiculous nature that
Speaker 11: it's every time someone turns around, you get welcome to
Speaker 11: your own country. I was on flights today. I don't
Speaker 11: even listen anymore. I must be virgin, don't do it.
Speaker 1: No, people have said that quantas have sort of stopped
Speaker 1: doing it recently.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I must say I didn't take any notice today,
Speaker 11: but I did notice on this on all their posters
Speaker 11: getting onto the plane.
Speaker 12: Not a mention of Christmas. Lots of happy holidays.
Speaker 1: Yes, see again seasons. It's an offensive. We've got to
Speaker 1: be very careful. We've got to trade around people.
Speaker 12: We talk about the silent majority.
Speaker 11: Yeah, my message is if you're part of the silent majority,
Speaker 11: it's time to stop being silent.
Speaker 1: I because if the.
Speaker 11: Majority don't start standing up, it is these loonies on
Speaker 11: the left who will keep pushing this war agenda down
Speaker 11: our throats, and there's faux outrage every time something's not
Speaker 11: done right. You know, the silent majority won't be the
Speaker 11: majority for much longer if they keep staying well.
Speaker 1: It's a Trump effect, hopefully, Lisa, because we saw this
Speaker 1: happen in the US where Americans said, no, we're sick
Speaker 1: of the woke, we're sick of the virtue signaling. They
Speaker 1: voted Donald Trump in. I mean, he's already plans to,
Speaker 1: you know, make so many different changes when it comes
Speaker 1: to this. But even in your home state up there
Speaker 1: in Queensland, recently there was an indigenous group who said,
Speaker 1: no enough, we're not doing the Welcome to country anymore
Speaker 1: because it's just gone absolutely beyond a joke, Lisa, But.
Speaker 13: It's exactly what Holly said. So the elder's up near
Speaker 13: Townsville said, it's basically lost its value. It's happening too much.
Speaker 13: It's basically grown what we would consider a cottage industry.
Speaker 13: So you look back, not a few months ago we
Speaker 13: had the figures what local councils were spending on these
Speaker 13: welcome to countries ceremony, little welcomed country speeches that weres
Speaker 13: we made to sit through. What I find interesting too
Speaker 13: from a corporate perspective, do you know how many conversations
Speaker 13: I had in boardrooms or with comm's teams and executives
Speaker 13: about how many times we have to say a welcome
Speaker 13: to country?
Speaker 1: Who has said it?
Speaker 13: Will that be enough to take us through the duration
Speaker 13: of the event, or do I have to say it now?
Speaker 13: Can I do it abbreviated one? And then who do
Speaker 13: we get to do it? It's a conversation that's being
Speaker 13: held in boardrooms around this country every day at Ausium.
Speaker 1: It certainly is. I mean there was only that one
Speaker 1: that went for nine minutes recently. I think it was
Speaker 1: in Melbourne nine minutes. Again, it's just getting silly. Now. Look,
Speaker 1: let's talk interest rates. The RBA played the role of
Speaker 1: Christpas Grench today keeping those rates on hold at four
Speaker 1: point three five percent. Here's what Michelle Bullock said was
Speaker 1: the board's reasoning.
Speaker 14: The Board judges that monetary policy remains restrictive and is
Speaker 14: working as anticipated. We discussed today that perhaps some of
Speaker 14: those as upside risks to inflation appear to have eased,
Speaker 14: but they haven't gone away. The Board still assesses that
Speaker 14: the level of aggregate demand is above the economy's supply capacity,
Speaker 14: even though that gap is closing.
Speaker 1: And it will come as no surprise to you at
Speaker 1: home that Jim Chalmers played it off as reasons for
Speaker 1: us to be thankful for his economic management.
Speaker 6: I note in the Reserve Bank statement that they talk
Speaker 6: about how inflation has fallen substantially and that the Board
Speaker 6: is gaining some confidence that inflationary pressures are declining. This
Speaker 6: has been our focus as a government, what we've been
Speaker 6: able to do in the face of significant cost of
Speaker 6: living pressures and global economic uncertainty. Is to keep the
Speaker 6: economy growing, see inflation, come off very substantially, get real
Speaker 6: wages growing again, create more than a million new jobs.
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, doctor Chalmers, thank you, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: There holy not that you know our power bills. I've
Speaker 1: gone in the other direction. The cost of living crisis
Speaker 1: is going up. But no, doctor Chalmers, thank you so much.
Speaker 1: Should be fair to Jim.
Speaker 12: I think he looked as shocked as anybody there.
Speaker 11: I don't think he actually was really believing what he
Speaker 11: was reading out that someone's written for him. But I mean,
Speaker 11: I think the question for everyone at home and everyone
Speaker 11: when they are speaking to people about what they want
Speaker 11: to do in the upcoming election is are you better
Speaker 11: off than you were two and a half years ago.
Speaker 11: And I can't think of an Australian who is going
Speaker 11: to say, yeah, everything's awesome. I love paying my mortgage
Speaker 11: or my rent every month and going to the grocery store,
Speaker 11: well that's just a happy experience.
Speaker 1: Everyone putting petrol in the car, keeping the lights on.
Speaker 11: This has all become increasingly harder. And when you think
Speaker 11: of we were coming out of a global pandemic and
Speaker 11: life was so much better than it is now. It's
Speaker 11: taken an extraordinary talent to manage to stuff this up.
Speaker 11: But I think what today's figures show us. I think
Speaker 11: the RBA Michelle Bullock's statement, I think we can all
Speaker 11: go to Christmas being reasonably comfort evident that we will
Speaker 11: have an election called before Parliament resumes in the first
Speaker 11: week of February. I do not think the Prime Minister
Speaker 11: is going to go back. He's going to be holding
Speaker 11: on that first week of February meeting of the RBA,
Speaker 11: is going to deliver a rate cut and he's going
Speaker 11: to be able to do it coming into an election,
Speaker 11: and I think I think that's what today was probably
Speaker 11: the most insightful thing.
Speaker 1: All right, well let me ask you this then, Lisa,
Speaker 1: just on, just to go on Holly's point, there will
Speaker 1: a rate cut save Anthony Albanezi.
Speaker 13: No, I don't think it will, and I can tell
Speaker 13: you why. So A lot of work that I do
Speaker 13: is salvation army. So I've got shorts on now because
Speaker 13: this morning I was in a very hot warehouse helping
Speaker 13: pack toy hampers for children. Now they say to me,
Speaker 13: they've never seen it worse, and it's not just the
Speaker 13: people you would normally see going to the salvation army.
Speaker 13: It's people who they say are the working poor, who
Speaker 13: are now the working homeless. We're talking about nurses, we're
Speaker 13: talking about teachers who are living with children in cars.
Speaker 13: And what really disturbed me was someone who does financial
Speaker 13: counseling said, now, and couldn't believe you were saying it,
Speaker 13: but if you have a car, you're considered to have
Speaker 13: secure accommodation. How frightening is that. So you've got the
Speaker 13: sway of people across this country who can't afford their rent,
Speaker 13: who are struggling in are behind your mortgage payments, a
Speaker 13: sixty percent increase in prices if you go to the
Speaker 13: grocery store or are trying to buy anything. And at
Speaker 13: the other end, you have people who are actually out
Speaker 13: there working, keeping the society moving, and they're living in
Speaker 13: cars or living intents. They're not going to look at
Speaker 13: any of this word sellar today from the treasurer or
Speaker 13: the Prime Minister or the RBA. All they know is
Speaker 13: that tonight maybe they're not eating so that their children.
Speaker 1: Can meet well, said spot On. And this is the
Speaker 1: frightening part. I even saw the other day that homelessness
Speaker 1: is once again on the rise in this country. So
Speaker 1: well done, Labor, good, good work. All right, before I
Speaker 1: let you both go, your winner and loser of the year, Holly.
Speaker 11: So it's a toss up between Trump and the IDF
Speaker 11: when you've looked at what they've done, and particularly what
Speaker 11: they did in Lebanon and those targeted strikes.
Speaker 12: I think the IDF are up there for a big winner.
Speaker 11: On what they managed to achieve, and I think what
Speaker 11: will continue to see them achieved.
Speaker 12: But of course I think Trump.
Speaker 11: Is going to be seen to really be the big
Speaker 11: winner of twenty twenty four. I mean, really, how can
Speaker 11: it not be Albo being the twenty twenty four closely
Speaker 11: followed by Kamala.
Speaker 1: Oh, the two icons there, and then can I like
Speaker 1: a Vegan in third? Oh, we can like her so much?
Speaker 12: Just any chance?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's a good top three. I can't
Speaker 1: quite like that, Lisa, over to you, you're winner and
Speaker 1: loser of the year.
Speaker 13: Well, saying Albanezi would be an easy one, so I'll
Speaker 13: put that to one side. Look, I think the loser
Speaker 13: of the year are the Jewish people, espeticularly here in Australia.
Speaker 13: After what they've had to enduring and is still enduring.
Speaker 13: Winner here in Queensland. I think we're going to see
Speaker 13: a turnaround in youth justice. You've got David christopfully right now,
Speaker 13: I believe, trying to push through those adult crime adult
Speaker 13: time laws and I think that's a huge win for
Speaker 13: this state.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about time. It's about time something happens when
Speaker 1: it comes to youth crime. Holly Hughes, Lisa God I'd
Speaker 1: great to have you both on tonight. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for Johnny me here in the man Cave. Well,
Speaker 1: much more to discuss after the break, including labor ramping
Speaker 1: up the fear campaign about liberal misinformation. That's next. Welcome back,
Speaker 1: Daniki di Giorgio filling in tonight for Paul Murray on
Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live. Let's continue our wonderful debate this evening.
Speaker 1: Johnny b Is Sky News contributor Preu McSween and libertarian
Speaker 1: commentator Kristin Abraham. Hi to both of you. Great to
Speaker 1: have you on tonight. Now, look, let's start with nuclear
Speaker 1: because the opposition leader Peter Dutton has urged those who
Speaker 1: oppose nuclear energy to change their ways and has challenged
Speaker 1: them to finally become the adults in the room. Now.
Speaker 1: Dutton has called on state premiers like Peter Malanowskis and
Speaker 1: Chris Mins to actually support nuclear energy. He says, because
Speaker 1: it's zero emissions technology and it's the only way we're
Speaker 1: going to shore up renewables and get to net zero
Speaker 1: by twenty fifty. I've got to say, though, speaking of
Speaker 1: behaving like adults, let's take a look at what Labor
Speaker 1: MP Bill Shorten said yesterday on Dunton's nuclear plan.
Speaker 15: The leading scientific body in Australia, who I think Peter
Speaker 15: Dutton would simply like to call fake news in a
Speaker 15: left wing front, the CSIRO, which they're not an AEMO.
Speaker 15: They've looked at generation costs. They've said that it's a
Speaker 15: nuclear power is an expensive proposition, more expensive than other propositions.
Speaker 15: It's not going to be here like ossies are paying
Speaker 15: energy bills now in twenty twenty four. The idea that
Speaker 15: mister Dutton's going to ride in on a nuclear unicorn
Speaker 15: in two thousand and forty four with some new energy source,
Speaker 15: we don't have two decades to wait.
Speaker 1: A nuclear unicorn. Prue, how's that? I mean? You know,
Speaker 1: we don't even have a proper debate about nuclear or
Speaker 1: energy for that matter, in this country, while Labour's sailing
Speaker 1: off on their own unicorn of renewables fantasy, in some
Speaker 1: sort of utopian fantasy. But I mean, really, can Labor
Speaker 1: actually have a proper energy debate?
Speaker 10: Well, I don't think they can.
Speaker 16: I think we're dealing with moron's masquerading as MPs. You know,
Speaker 16: these flat earthers who are too scared to even have
Speaker 16: a conversation about it. You know, they're so convinced that
Speaker 16: what they're doing is correct when we all know we're
Speaker 16: all starting to experience energy shortage, energy shortages every time
Speaker 16: we open an energy bill, we see that Labour's policy
Speaker 16: is not working.
Speaker 10: So for him to be talking.
Speaker 16: About unicorns, you know, mate, get off the You know,
Speaker 16: I don't know what you've been smoking, but what is
Speaker 16: the agenda? For goodness sake? Why are they so against it?
Speaker 16: Have they got investments that we don't know about. Why
Speaker 16: is Labor bearing its head in us in the sand
Speaker 16: and treating us all like ignorant fools When we look
Speaker 16: around the world and we see all these G twenty
Speaker 16: comfort countries and more who are all investing in nuclear
Speaker 16: and reinvesting in nuclear because it's working. Why the hell
Speaker 16: should let Australia be the little more on at the
Speaker 16: end of the earth who wants to just keep going
Speaker 16: chasing our own unicorns courtesy of Labor.
Speaker 1: Well that's it, and then they keep spinning this fantasy
Speaker 1: when realistically around the world they've got nuclear and all
Speaker 1: is good. And this is a problem at Kristen because
Speaker 1: Labor is not willing to have a proper debate on this.
Speaker 1: Yet here in New South Wales, only two weeks ago
Speaker 1: we were told turn off your appliances between the hours
Speaker 1: of three and eight PM because we might have rolling
Speaker 1: blackouts and at the time it wasn't even summer, so
Speaker 1: how can we trust Labor to keep the lights on.
Speaker 7: There are some Australians out there that are going to
Speaker 7: see it come full circle if Labor is allowed to
Speaker 7: continue down their renewal walls path where they saw electricity
Speaker 7: come in, and they're going to see it be phased
Speaker 7: out because we don't have reliable energy. The Libertarian Party
Speaker 7: has gone to the last election and we've been massive
Speaker 7: advocates through nuclear for quite some time and it's let
Speaker 7: the market decide. Leave the innovation to the specialists, not
Speaker 7: the politicians, and you can do that by lifting the prohibitions.
Speaker 7: The thing that annoys me the most about the whole
Speaker 7: nuclear debate, and you can largely thank Labor for putting
Speaker 7: it this way to the Australian people, is they continue
Speaker 7: to talk about nuclear waste, but they never talk about
Speaker 7: waste about solar or wind turbines. It costs approximately twenty
Speaker 7: eight dollars to recycle a a solar panel, compared to
Speaker 7: four dollars fifty to send it off to landfill, but
Speaker 7: no one ever talks about those things or the impacts
Speaker 7: that the wind turbines have. Nuclear has such success in
Speaker 7: France as well, and honestly the misinformation that Labor spits
Speaker 7: about nuclear energy. I say, I agree with Dutton. Let's
Speaker 7: have a debate. Sky News can host it. I don't
Speaker 7: think that you should have to wait to an election
Speaker 7: to see the position leader and the Prime minister debate
Speaker 7: a hot topic and let the Australian people decide at
Speaker 7: the ballot box. Come on to me, youa organize them, I.
Speaker 1: Know, come on, if anyone, if you're listening out there,
Speaker 1: Sky News, we've got to get let's make this happen
Speaker 1: let's let's grow. I'd love to chat to Bowen when
Speaker 1: they have a fandom bring going on. We'd love to
Speaker 1: chat to you please. We would just to have you on,
Speaker 1: come on, come into the man cave. We'll have a
Speaker 1: really good chat. But you know, no one ever, so
Speaker 1: nobody ever, but I would love to. I love to
Speaker 1: interview it now. But you know, Kristen makes a really
Speaker 1: good point there, Prue, because what we don't hear from
Speaker 1: Labor is actually the environmental impacts of their wind turbine fantasy.
Speaker 1: And Duns already said he wants to tear up the
Speaker 1: plans for a wind farmer up in Port Stevens. I
Speaker 1: think it was. But you know, you don't hear that.
Speaker 1: Labor don't tell you all these details. They're out there
Speaker 1: spooking this unicorn that doesn't exist.
Speaker 10: Well, there's a number of things. They've never been honest.
Speaker 16: About the true cost of what they're proposing. They just
Speaker 16: talk about, oh, it's so much cheaper, But they're not
Speaker 16: talking about the inefficiencies of battery storage or the transmission lines,
Speaker 16: the carving up of our environment, the desecration of Australia
Speaker 16: to do this fantasy. And we know then it's also
Speaker 16: going to need a backup base load power, which is gas,
Speaker 16: which they've demonized until we can get the nuclear. They
Speaker 16: keep saying, well, even if we start a nuclear could
Speaker 16: be twenty years off. Well will be more than that
Speaker 16: if these morons don't start talking about it.
Speaker 10: So we can press the button.
Speaker 16: I mean, they're just treating us like absolute fool.
Speaker 1: Mugs, mugs, I think we're dumb, you know, really, they
Speaker 1: just think we're so dumb. Now, look, I want to
Speaker 1: talk to you both about disinformation. This is hilarious because
Speaker 1: Labor has already been caught pleading for money from voters
Speaker 1: ahead of the upcoming federal election. It's been revealed the
Speaker 1: ALP assistant National Party secretary contacted its supporters today in
Speaker 1: an attempt to raise more than sixty four thousand dollars
Speaker 1: for it's a digital team. But here's the laugh because
Speaker 1: it also called out the liberal parties disinformation tactics at
Speaker 1: one line I'll share with you even read over the
Speaker 1: coming months, you'll see the liberals lie about their agenda
Speaker 1: to cut public services, lower your wages, and jack up
Speaker 1: your power prices. At Christen I mean, let's not forget
Speaker 1: Christian that Labour's actually been caught out many times for
Speaker 1: its own misinformation. If I recall Andrew Giles telling people
Speaker 1: that drones are monitoring detainees for goodness sake, it is
Speaker 1: Labor that's the problem.
Speaker 7: Have you ever seen a toxic relationship, Donaka, That's what
Speaker 7: you have seen with you know, Daniel Andrews. We see
Speaker 7: it with the Federal Labor Party as well, where they
Speaker 7: accuse you of what they are actually doing. And I
Speaker 7: will give credit where credit is due. The one, you know,
Speaker 7: not misinformation that I saw in the last election was
Speaker 7: it won't be easy under alban easy. That completely rings
Speaker 7: true today. But I'm sick of the misinformation and disinformation
Speaker 7: arguments here. They're trying to silence their competition by saying
Speaker 7: it's misinformation and it's disinformation. It sounds like what a
Speaker 7: communist regime would be trying to do to their competition,
Speaker 7: to stamp it out. And this rhetoric didn't work in America,
Speaker 7: it did not work in their elections. So why does
Speaker 7: Anthony Albanezi think the Australian people are so unintelligent to
Speaker 7: you know, believe all the lies that all the misinformation
Speaker 7: that he's putting forward spot.
Speaker 1: On this is and now they want money for it.
Speaker 1: Pro Now they're saying, give us, give us donations so
Speaker 1: we can investigate.
Speaker 16: Disintorations back bankrolling them. Why are they calling on these
Speaker 16: poor buggers who are scraping around the back of the
Speaker 16: lounge to be able to pay their energy bills to
Speaker 16: find a few coins and they want them to cough
Speaker 16: up for their their propaganda.
Speaker 10: They've got to be kidding. This is the hide and
Speaker 10: the delusionment of this party. They're unbelievable.
Speaker 16: But you know they've had made disinformation and misinformation and
Speaker 16: art form. You know, when you look at the voice,
Speaker 16: you look at immigration numbers, look everywhere you go budget,
Speaker 16: you look every part of what a labor policy is,
Speaker 16: it's all, you know, disinformation.
Speaker 1: It's sort of.
Speaker 16: Skimming the truth or half truth. You couldn't believe them
Speaker 16: if they open their mouths. You have to say they're
Speaker 16: lying as far as I'm concerned, You've.
Speaker 1: Got to question everything that they say because they're the
Speaker 1: problems here. Now let's touch on the tills, because a
Speaker 1: new report shows the staggering figures in which they are
Speaker 1: siding with the Greens in the last term of parliament. Now,
Speaker 1: this data was obtained by the coalition, revealing that Monique
Speaker 1: Ryan voted with the Greens seventy seven percent of the time,
Speaker 1: Zalie Stegel's seventy five percent of the time, both Zoe
Speaker 1: Daniel and Sophie Scomp's eighty one percent of the time,
Speaker 1: and outgoing North Sydney and p Kylie Tink ninety four
Speaker 1: percent of the time. Now outgoing Liberal and P Paul Fletcher,
Speaker 1: who of course today announced his shock retirement. He didn't
Speaker 1: mince his words when talking about the Teals. Have a
Speaker 1: look at this.
Speaker 4: At the last election, the Teals for an eye known quantity.
Speaker 4: Now they are a known quantity and we will be
Speaker 4: making sure that people understand that the Teals have consistently
Speaker 4: voted with the radical extremist grants exactly.
Speaker 1: It's very telling. Kristin, what does this data tell you?
Speaker 7: Well, I wasn't sure what you meant by teals because
Speaker 7: I thought all together they're the labor coalitions, not exactly
Speaker 7: but the voters. But the voters have been lied to.
Speaker 7: They you know, blue and Green equals teal. They were
Speaker 7: meant to be, you know, liberals that were also climate
Speaker 7: conscious when they went to the Poles and that's why
Speaker 7: most people voted for them. But in actual fact they
Speaker 7: are well dressed, mature, professional Greens, which you don't really
Speaker 7: see very often. And look, I think in terms of
Speaker 7: if Teals are going to continue to be on the
Speaker 7: horizon in that seat, it makes sense that Paul Fletcher
Speaker 7: is not running again because he had a fifteen percent
Speaker 7: swing against him last time around. I reckon Liberals, if
Speaker 7: they were smart, they would put a female candidate in
Speaker 7: that seat, because there's nothing more the Teals like to
Speaker 7: do than to say that Liberal Party is a boys club.
Speaker 7: To be completely.
Speaker 1: Honest, they love that line, don't they. The Tills seem
Speaker 1: to have certain lines that they trundle out all the time,
Speaker 1: one of which being oh, there's a gender problem within
Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. But you know, this is what concerns
Speaker 1: me about this data pro in particular, because in the
Speaker 1: event of a minority, you'll have Anthony Abernesi prime minister.
Speaker 1: You'll have the de facto Adam Bant, a couple of
Speaker 1: Teals scattered here and there, and they're siding with the Greens.
Speaker 1: It will be an absolute mess of a Parliament.
Speaker 10: Well it totally would you know?
Speaker 16: Climate two hundred Simon Holmes a court was very clever
Speaker 16: and having a joke, you know when he called them teals,
Speaker 16: because we all know they're pale green and rarely greener
Speaker 16: than green in a lot of ways. This is a
Speaker 16: collective of kin artists, clowns in coture. Let's face this,
Speaker 16: this is what they are and we're onto them now.
Speaker 16: You know, their timing was excellent when they you know,
Speaker 16: in the last selection, because people were a bit shitty
Speaker 16: with the you know, the limbs, and they wanted that change.
Speaker 1: And they wanted that change spot on that. We're running
Speaker 1: out of time, but just very quickly, I want to
Speaker 1: get your winners and losers of the year, Kristen take
Speaker 1: it away. Who have you got for us?
Speaker 7: Well, Holly Hughes mentioned before athleticism and all I could
Speaker 7: think about was a ray gun for being my winner
Speaker 7: of the year. She gave definition to all publicity is
Speaker 7: good publicity. She is famous, she's rubbing shoulders with the
Speaker 7: right people now, so all the power to her. And
Speaker 7: losers of the week and losers of the Year unfortunately
Speaker 7: has to be the Australian people. We have more social
Speaker 7: division than ever. We are being taxed to death and
Speaker 7: a government that's completely out of touch. So hopefully we'll
Speaker 7: see a change next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we are poor for it, are we not proved?
Speaker 1: The losers of.
Speaker 10: The loser is of course Albanese. It was a touch.
Speaker 1: We know we're all going with our bow tonight.
Speaker 10: Well I could have been a little bit lydia thoughte that.
Speaker 10: I thought, now I'll go with him.
Speaker 16: He's lost his moral compass and his own general compass.
Speaker 10: He doesn't know which way to turn.
Speaker 16: The guys at total loser the winner, of course, has
Speaker 16: to be done.
Speaker 1: And I've completely spot on. I completely agreed pro mcsway.
Speaker 1: Christen Abraham, it's been wonderful to have you in the
Speaker 1: man Cave this evening. Thank you so much for joining
Speaker 1: me on the show. Well stay with us after the
Speaker 1: break Reform UK leader Nigel Farage, who's has some big
Speaker 1: news on the party's new treasure. I stay tuned for that.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to Paul Murray Live. Dannickiti Giorgio here filling
Speaker 1: in tonight for the great Man. While it's now my
Speaker 1: pleasure to cross to Reform UK leader Nigel Farage in London. Nigel,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us on the show
Speaker 1: this evening. Now you're about to announce a major coup
Speaker 1: for Reform UK to do with former Conservative Party donor
Speaker 1: Nick Candy. Now, many Australians here have probably only heard
Speaker 1: of Nick Candy because of his wife, Holly the Lance
Speaker 1: who used to be on neighbors. But what does disappointments
Speaker 1: say about the evolution of reform that you are able
Speaker 1: to recruit rich tycoons like Nick Candy.
Speaker 8: Yes, I mean some newspaper reports say Holly Valence's husband
Speaker 8: becomes a Reform treasurer. So she's loved David. So don't
Speaker 8: think that she's just an Australian treasure She's not. We've
Speaker 8: very much taken her to our hearts here as well.
Speaker 8: Nick has been an active member of the Conservative Party
Speaker 8: since two thousand and nine, a personal friend of prime ministers,
Speaker 8: cabinet ministers, a major party donor, someone that's raised millions.
Speaker 1: Of pounds for them.
Speaker 8: And I think Nick's just decided too many broken promises,
Speaker 8: open borders, crackpot neet, zero agenda, split down the middle.
Speaker 8: I mean half of our half of our Conservatives ought
Speaker 8: to be in Reform and the other half ought to
Speaker 8: be with the Labor Party. That's how split they are
Speaker 8: so now for Nick to do this, it's a big
Speaker 8: move for him and it says a lot about what
Speaker 8: I think is going on in the UK at the moment.
Speaker 8: And I believe and all right, you may say, Nigel,
Speaker 8: you have a self interest, but I actually believe that
Speaker 8: we are witnessing one of those once every hundred year
Speaker 8: moments when an established British political party gets obliterated and
Speaker 8: replaced by somebody else. That I believe is what's going on.
Speaker 1: Well, look, it's going to be absolutely fascinating. But you're right.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is really great for Reform to get this,
Speaker 1: but this isn't the only good news for the party
Speaker 1: at the moment, because a recent nationwide pole in the
Speaker 1: UK has Reform ahead of the Labor government and only
Speaker 1: two percent behind the leading Conservatives. Nigel first leg and well,
Speaker 1: what's your reaction. What do you make of this polling?
Speaker 8: We've got the big m going with us momentum. It's happening.
Speaker 8: People are out there, they're talking at breakfast tables in pubs.
Speaker 8: They're saying, you know what, Actually the Conservatives broke all
Speaker 8: their promises. Labor are our breaking theirs. They're both as
Speaker 8: bad as each other. We need something fresh, we need
Speaker 8: something new. The truth is Britain is broken. Nothing works.
Speaker 8: Our health service, our infrastructure, nothing works and we're getting
Speaker 8: poorer of that. There is no question our society is
Speaker 8: breaking down and we need something radical to turn this around.
Speaker 8: We did a dose of optimism and that's what we're about.
Speaker 8: We believe this country can be turned around. We believe
Speaker 8: we can make things better. We believe we can encourage
Speaker 8: business entrepreneurs to make us all better off. And that's
Speaker 8: why that's why we've got this big momentum. It's because
Speaker 8: we're optimistic about the future and everybody else is miserable
Speaker 8: and accepts gradual decline. We don't no.
Speaker 1: Good on you and this is all because of you,
Speaker 1: Nigel Faras. You've just been such a force our for reform.
Speaker 1: It's so good to see them from the other side
Speaker 1: of the world. Now, look, I want to move on
Speaker 1: to a tricky area of swords, the overthrow of the
Speaker 1: Asade dictatorship in Syria, because it presents quite a problem
Speaker 1: for Britain. There is likely now to be a wave
Speaker 1: of refugees fleeing the country for Europe, and there will also,
Speaker 1: of course be a lot of asylum, claims Nigel, A
Speaker 1: number of Brits went over to Syria to fight for
Speaker 1: the Islamic State. Are they going to come back to
Speaker 1: Britain once they are let out of jail, given that
Speaker 1: the rebels are letting these people out.
Speaker 8: Now, as far as I'm concerned, they left our state,
Speaker 8: they joined the Islamic State. I don't want a single
Speaker 8: one of them back. And this is the problem that
Speaker 8: when you get boats crossing the English Channel, no doubt
Speaker 8: there are some people in those boats who are fleeing horror.
Speaker 8: I don't doubt that for a minute. But the problem is,
Speaker 8: and by the way, ISIS said this back in twenty fifteen,
Speaker 8: they said they would flood the continent of Europe with
Speaker 8: their operatives even if one in a thousand that crosses
Speaker 8: into our port of Dover, if one of one thousand
Speaker 8: is an ISIS activist, intent on mayhem, intent on murder,
Speaker 8: intent on mass killing, that I'm sorry. We can't have anybody.
Speaker 8: Yes we'll give food aid, Yes we'll give medical aid,
Speaker 8: will help people around the world in genuine distress. We
Speaker 8: cannot open our borders and risk terrorism. And frankly, the
Speaker 8: first duty of government is to protect the nation and
Speaker 8: protect its people. We must not take that risk.
Speaker 1: No, And I mean you've already got a migrant crisis
Speaker 1: over there and this is the last thing that you need.
Speaker 1: And what about the other way around? In light of
Speaker 1: the Syrians returning back home. Now, how many who sought
Speaker 1: asylum in Britain do you think will actually go back
Speaker 1: or you think that they're done, they'll stay.
Speaker 8: Well, we have a backlog of asylum claims from Syrians,
Speaker 8: including one who was publicly threatened to kill me repeatedly,
Speaker 8: which is very charming. He's currently in police custody. If
Speaker 8: the reason for claiming asylum was that a SAD was
Speaker 8: in power, well then surely it's time for them more
Speaker 8: to go home. And that is why lots of European
Speaker 8: countries yesterday, including US reluctantly in the end, have said, right,
Speaker 8: we're not pro assessing anymore of the existing claims, not
Speaker 8: taking any more new ones Austria or even talking about
Speaker 8: returning people to Siria. Now, you know, it's a complex situation.
Speaker 8: We don't know whether what comes will be even worse
Speaker 8: than a SAD, but let's have some degree of optimism
Speaker 8: that people can go back. Fourteen million people in all
Speaker 8: have been displaced from Syria over the last decade and
Speaker 8: for that country to prosper it needs them to go
Speaker 8: back home.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a really, really fair point. Nigel Faraj, it's
Speaker 1: been wonderful to speak with you. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us on the show this evening. Appreciated. Well
Speaker 1: that is it from me this evening. Thank you for
Speaker 1: your time and thanks for Paul Murray for letting me
Speaker 1: back into the man cave. Yeah, I'm going to move
Speaker 1: the Aussie flag back, don't worry, but I've proudly had
Speaker 1: it behind me for the rest of this evening. Stay
Speaker 1: with us, So the late debate is up next. Good Night,