WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 30 July 0:00:01.040 --> 0:00:05.600 Late General, welcome the Late Debate. 0:00:08.360 --> 0:00:10.399 Well, good evening, thanks for joining us on the Late Debate. 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:13.760 James Macpherson with Liz Stauer and Caleb Bond coming up. 0:00:14.000 --> 0:00:16.840 A journalist is embarrassed when he wrongly assumes the people 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.079 he's interviewing are racist, just like him. Will show you 0:00:20.160 --> 0:00:22.119 that a little later. Plus when we look at the 0:00:22.160 --> 0:00:26.680 paper's agenda, row erupts in Paris as biological men compete 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:30.280 in women's events, And what happens to regional Australia if 0:00:30.320 --> 0:00:32.199 Rex Airlines goes under All of. 0:00:32.120 --> 0:00:34.000 That coming up a little later. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.120 But first, we're all very well aware that there's a 0:00:37.280 --> 0:00:41.160 housing crisis. But in Victoria the housing crisis is being 0:00:41.200 --> 0:00:45.279 made even worse by their cultural Heritage process. Now that 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.479 process demands that land slated for development first undergoes checks 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:54.160 to see if there's any culturally significant sites or artifacts 0:00:54.480 --> 0:00:57.800 before any houses can be built. Well, according to The 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:02.279 Herald's Son, that process is laying developments by eighteen months 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.120 or more and pushing up housing prices. The developers have 0:01:06.200 --> 0:01:08.320 to pay holding costs on the land while it sits 0:01:08.400 --> 0:01:13.160 idle as indigenous groups inspect the property for artifacts, taking 0:01:13.200 --> 0:01:16.640 sometimes years to do so, and on top of that, 0:01:17.240 --> 0:01:20.880 indigenous groups are charging developers one thousand dollars a day 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:24.080 just to meet with them, and fifteen hundred dollars a 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:28.720 day for Indigenous people to oversee cultural heritage advisors also 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:34.000 being paid by developers as they search the property for artifacts. Now, 0:01:34.319 --> 0:01:38.760 Urban Development Institute of Australia CEO Linda Allison, she told 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:42.000 The Herald's son the holding costs of the delays can 0:01:42.040 --> 0:01:47.319 make projects completely unfeasible, and those costs just inevitably if 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:49.640 the development does go ahead, get passed on to the 0:01:49.640 --> 0:01:53.960 home buyer and that just makes housing even less affordable. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:56.600 So what to do about this problem? Will the liberal 0:01:56.600 --> 0:01:59.360 opposition have made themselves useful for once, and they've come 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:01.880 up with a pretty good suggestion. Why don't we put 0:02:02.000 --> 0:02:06.240 time limits on the indigenous groups to search for artifacts 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:09.359 before development can take place? And why don't we put 0:02:09.400 --> 0:02:11.840 caps on the amount of money they can charge developers 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:16.919 to give certainty and to keep costs down. Sounds pretty sensible, 0:02:17.240 --> 0:02:21.240 but Victorian Premier Jacina Allen has described those suggestions as 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:26.160 quote racist and nasty, which just goes to prove that 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:28.320 when you vote for clowns, you end up getting an 0:02:28.480 --> 0:02:32.120 entire circus Calebrin Liz. The Victorian government are claiming to 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:36.120 fight the housing crisis while exacerbating the housing crisis with 0:02:36.160 --> 0:02:38.560 a racist policy that if you dare point it out, 0:02:38.800 --> 0:02:40.400 gets you labeled racist. 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:44.239 I mean, this is beyond laughable, especially because it has 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.680 such real world effects. In the middle of housing crisis, 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:52.400 which is nationwide but also notably in Victoria, this government 0:02:52.600 --> 0:02:57.600 has committed to building two point two four million houses 0:02:58.280 --> 0:03:03.000 by twenty fifty one. That's roughly eighty thousand a year 0:03:03.600 --> 0:03:05.760 till twenty fifty one. 0:03:05.800 --> 0:03:08.240 Meanwhile, the rate at which they're. 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:12.919 Building houses currently has dropped to an all time low 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:18.200 in thirty years. This is a thirty a three decade low, 0:03:19.320 --> 0:03:22.240 and projects are being held up by this in a 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:26.480 state that has one percent Aboriginal people. 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:29.280 So it's like, who are you. 0:03:29.280 --> 0:03:34.200 Actually helping out here by tying the hands of developers 0:03:34.240 --> 0:03:37.640 who are building these dwellings that we all desperately need 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:41.720 in every single state. Don't call your set you're You're 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:45.200 not a serious government. You are not a serious government, 0:03:45.200 --> 0:03:49.640 You're not a serious leader. The premiere set on Tuesday. Oh, 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:53.720 this is these cultural heritage laws are only affecting one 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:59.360 percent of development, really one percent, I don't think. So 0:04:00.240 --> 0:04:03.400 they have to do the same as WA did, and 0:04:03.680 --> 0:04:08.640 WA ditch their cultural heritage laws just after just over 0:04:08.720 --> 0:04:12.080 one month of it coming into effect because it was 0:04:12.160 --> 0:04:15.320 simply too hard. They realized the error of their ways. 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:18.680 They ate humble Pie and they just said, look, we've 0:04:18.720 --> 0:04:19.280 repealed it. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.880 Well, I can build you two million houses within that timeframe. 0:04:22.880 --> 0:04:24.960 They'll just be made of lego. You won't actually be 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.960 able to live in them. But you never know. These days, 0:04:28.120 --> 0:04:30.279 they'll probably do something like that and say, look we 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.080 did it, here's your two million houses. But I love 0:04:33.160 --> 0:04:37.240 the fact that, of course she attacks the opposition's idea that, 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:39.680 you know, for a modest stuff, put a cap on 0:04:39.720 --> 0:04:42.040 the costs. We'll put a time frame on when all 0:04:42.040 --> 0:04:44.679 this stuff has to be done, and that there should 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:47.560 be audits of the approvals that they then give, so 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:50.520 that at least there's some oversight over the system that's 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:55.040 somehow nasty racial division. At the same time, the Allen 0:04:55.160 --> 0:04:59.719 government is reviewing these cultural heritage secretly because it knows 0:04:59.800 --> 0:05:02.560 that there's something wrong with them. But it didn't want 0:05:02.600 --> 0:05:05.719 you to know that they were reviewing the cultural hero 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:09.280 digital because because she's worried about how that might look. Oh, 0:05:09.360 --> 0:05:11.360 you know, we're admitting that there's a problem here. We 0:05:11.400 --> 0:05:14.920 couldn't possibly have anyone see that because it might be racist. 0:05:15.360 --> 0:05:18.040 I just love that, one by one, all of these 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:21.880 little things are starting to fall apart in some way, 0:05:21.960 --> 0:05:23.600 you know, And I feel like the Voice was the 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:26.480 vanguard for all of this. Once the Voice fell over, 0:05:26.920 --> 0:05:29.159 it was sort of like open season for people to 0:05:29.240 --> 0:05:32.440 actually start openly admitting that there was something wrong with 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.200 Indigenous affairs in this country because all of a sudden 0:05:35.200 --> 0:05:37.839 we felt emboldened or we I mean, we've been talking 0:05:37.880 --> 0:05:40.120 about it for a long time, but people who otherwise 0:05:40.400 --> 0:05:43.960 had previously felt uncomfortable voicing their opinion because they were 0:05:44.000 --> 0:05:46.719 worried that they'd be called racist for doing so, have 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.880 started coming out and saying, yeah, actually we have a 0:05:49.920 --> 0:05:52.599 few problems here. So little by little, whether it's the 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:57.880 laws in WA, whether it's this, whether it's concerns around spending, 0:05:58.200 --> 0:06:01.120 people are starting to speak up a little bit. But 0:06:01.160 --> 0:06:03.320 the fact that she didn't want to tell us that 0:06:03.400 --> 0:06:06.600 this investigation was going on, I think says it all. 0:06:06.720 --> 0:06:09.599 Even she, in her heart of hearts, just inter Allen 0:06:10.160 --> 0:06:13.480 knows there's something wrong here, but you can't admit it. 0:06:13.640 --> 0:06:16.840 And of course, the first part of fixing a problem 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:20.520 is admitting that there is a problem in the first place. 0:06:20.640 --> 0:06:23.440 It's pretty basic stuff. But they can't even do that. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:26.400 And that's the problem that these left progressive governments have. 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:29.400 They back themselves into a corner where they declare all 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:32.920 of these things grand moral issues. They demonize anybody who 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.800 disagrees with them, and then when they find their ideological 0:06:35.839 --> 0:06:39.359 policies aren't working, how do they ever go back on 0:06:39.400 --> 0:06:41.800 them Because they've just said anyone who questions it is 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.279 a racist, so they can't possibly backflip. They just have 0:06:45.360 --> 0:06:47.880 to try and massage things as best they can. The 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:49.479 only way you get rid of these policies is you 0:06:49.560 --> 0:06:51.880 vote them out and you get a government that is 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:56.280 going to govern according to practicalities rather than a preconceived 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:57.960 and immovable ideology. 0:06:58.600 --> 0:07:04.400 Well, I wouldn't hold we are talking about Victoria. I've 0:07:04.400 --> 0:07:06.040 got to say, though, we're not. 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.600 And I read these numbers, one thousand dollars a day 0:07:08.880 --> 0:07:10.840 just just to have a meeting. We're not even talking 0:07:10.840 --> 0:07:13.400 about the dig here. It's just all about meeting with 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.440 the developers. I keep reading this stuff and going, my god. 0:07:16.960 --> 0:07:19.560 I always said I'd never do one of those ancestry 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:21.840 dot Com tests because I didn't want to hand my 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:27.960 DNA over to some private black rock. But I really 0:07:27.960 --> 0:07:29.800 feel like I should go and take one and see 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.240 if I've got some aboriginal blood in me, because, for 0:07:32.280 --> 0:07:34.480 Heaven's sake, if I could get one thousand dollars a 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:36.920 day to do some of this work, I'm sure I 0:07:36.960 --> 0:07:38.960 could do it in conjunction with the work that I 0:07:39.040 --> 0:07:40.760 do here on sky News as well, just sort of 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.640 keep me busy during the day, I'd be rolling in it. 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:45.080 And it's the same with all the money that they 0:07:45.120 --> 0:07:48.400 give them to do welcomes to country. I mean, some 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.680 people are charging like ten thousand dollars a pop to 0:07:51.760 --> 0:07:55.840 do those welcomes to country on the basis of their 0:07:56.160 --> 0:07:59.680 race alone. And that's that's the real problem with it. 0:07:59.840 --> 0:08:02.080 I don't think there's anyone in the country who wouldn't 0:08:02.080 --> 0:08:06.400 want to preserve actual cultural artifacts if they can be 0:08:06.760 --> 0:08:10.000 found anywhere, because of course they are historical pieces that 0:08:10.080 --> 0:08:13.040 ought to be preserved. But when you hold all this 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.040 stuff up and put that above everything else, I mean, 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:17.680 for heaven's sake, what are we going to get to 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.760 the point where mum and dad want to subdivide their property. 0:08:21.160 --> 0:08:22.960 And before you do that, someone's got to come in 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:25.640 and dig the whole joint up before you can even 0:08:25.720 --> 0:08:28.160 do that. If you decide you want to put a 0:08:28.200 --> 0:08:31.000 new driveway in your house, they'll start saying, well, we've 0:08:31.040 --> 0:08:33.160 got to do a dig underneath the concrete that was 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:35.560 already there by the way, but you're replacing it, so 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:37.280 we've got to look under that as well. But where 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:38.280 does this stuff end? 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:39.800 Well, And this is the problem with a lot of 0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:43.640 this stuff, particularly with relation to indigenous affairs, is that 0:08:43.640 --> 0:08:47.080 little industries grow up around some of these exact virtue 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.480 signaling efforts, whether it's cultural heritage issues where you go 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:53.480 and you meet with a developer and your charge a fee, 0:08:53.720 --> 0:08:55.679 and then you've got some archaeologists, but we better have 0:08:55.720 --> 0:08:59.000 an indigenous person overseeing the archaeologists charge a fee. 0:08:59.240 --> 0:09:01.560 You'd like to welcome to country will charge a fee. 0:09:01.880 --> 0:09:04.280 And so to try and undo some of these things, well, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:07.120 you know now you're trying to undo entire little industries 0:09:07.120 --> 0:09:09.200 that have grown around it. People are not letting go 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:10.559 of those things easily. 0:09:10.280 --> 0:09:11.320 And neither should they. 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.240 I mean this affects homeowners, that affects farmers, that affects 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:18.600 miners big time. Not so much a big deal in Victoria, 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:23.480 but it certainly was in Wa. And so the extrapolation 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.679 of a policy that says indigenous affairs and cultural heritage 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:33.920 are more important than major infrastructure projects, we've seen several 0:09:33.960 --> 0:09:38.680 of them topple over this throughout the nation, as well 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:42.880 as just putting roofs over people's houses. To genuinely ask 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:45.640 people in the middle of a housing crisis to believe 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:49.160 that cultural heritage and finding a significant rock in your 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:54.560 backyard is more important than building homes for the future, 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.080 and not even on the for the future, where on 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:00.480 the back foot right now, we're desperately behind need to 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:05.240 build these things. Nobody's buying that, No practical person is 0:10:05.280 --> 0:10:07.520 buying that. And that's what you need in a leader 0:10:07.679 --> 0:10:10.960 to say, of course we respect cultural heritage. Of course 0:10:11.080 --> 0:10:13.640 that is one of the values that we uphold, But 0:10:14.559 --> 0:10:18.000 more so we uphold keeping a roof over people's heads. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:21.160 And with a growing population like ours, this has to 0:10:21.200 --> 0:10:24.160 be the number one priority. That's really not that hard 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:26.600 to do. But what do you see in this premiere, 0:10:26.679 --> 0:10:29.679 Like she's she's got a BA in something that, by 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:31.800 the way, I could not find what her being. I 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:36.160 challenge anyone out there to tell me what Jacinta Alan's 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:41.320 BA is. Okay, because everything we know, Bachelor of Arts 0:10:41.320 --> 0:10:42.000 are useless. 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:45.800 I can say that because I have too, but I 0:10:45.840 --> 0:10:46.720 can't find. 0:10:47.080 --> 0:10:52.360 I cannot find anywhere on the great world Wide Web 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:56.440 what her BA is in, which is a little bit troubling, 0:10:56.480 --> 0:11:01.480 but would also indicate she'd rather people didn't know the 0:11:01.520 --> 0:11:05.160 person running your state as a Bachelor of us. How 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:09.679 much real world experience does someone have when they're genuinely 0:11:09.760 --> 0:11:12.680 saying I'm more scared of being called a racist or 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.720 a bigot than I am about the housing crisis in 0:11:15.760 --> 0:11:16.240 my state. 0:11:17.559 --> 0:11:18.280 Unbelievable. 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.400 Yeah, Okay, before we move on with the other topics 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.440 we want to talk about tonight, we've just received breaking 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:28.440 news that Rex Airlines have entered voluntary administrations. 0:11:28.520 --> 0:11:30.400 That news has just come to hand. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:32.880 A bit later in the show will explain more about 0:11:32.880 --> 0:11:35.600 what that means and how that will affect people who 0:11:35.640 --> 0:11:38.679 are planning to fly on REX. But they've just entered 0:11:39.040 --> 0:11:43.200 voluntary administration. That news just breaking. Well, we've been talking 0:11:43.240 --> 0:11:45.520 about the insanity of Victoria, but there's another place you 0:11:45.520 --> 0:11:48.120 can go if you want to see some insanity and 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:49.000 sorry shames. 0:11:49.120 --> 0:11:52.480 Just before we move on, this is big news. REX 0:11:53.040 --> 0:11:57.000 going into voluntary administration and the fact that we still 0:11:57.040 --> 0:12:01.280 have in this country basically a duopoly of airlines right 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:05.319 so you've got Virgin and Quantus. Now REX it's important 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:08.520 to the regions is humongous because, as Paul was talking 0:12:08.559 --> 0:12:12.800 about on his program before, without REX, there's no way 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:15.000 to get in or out of a lot of parts 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:17.720 of the country except with a car, and we're talking 0:12:17.760 --> 0:12:20.600 about driving for hours and hours and hours to get anywhere. 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:22.960 So the essential service they provide in that way is 0:12:23.080 --> 0:12:25.720 very important. But also the work that they were trying 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:29.400 to do to get into the broader domestic market, as 0:12:29.440 --> 0:12:32.000 in they started out you know, Sydney to Melbourne and 0:12:32.080 --> 0:12:34.559 vice versa, and then with Adelaide to Melbourne, they've expanded 0:12:34.559 --> 0:12:38.479 from Adelaide to Perth recently. It was such an important 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:41.320 thing to try and break up the market, and I 0:12:41.360 --> 0:12:44.439 suspect that what is happening here is that that attempt 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:47.920 to break into that broader domestic market has failed, and 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.120 that's really worrying for what it means for consumers. In 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:54.440 terms of the prices they have to pay for an 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:59.000 airfare because Rex had very competitive prices in terms of 0:12:59.080 --> 0:13:03.120 flying with them, their service was excellent and iPhone with 0:13:03.200 --> 0:13:07.240 them many times domestically generally, their prices are much better 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:11.000 than anyone else. Their service is really good, the staff 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:14.280 are really good. By the way, they don't give an 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:18.640 acknowledgment of country on their flight, which which was encouragement 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.160 enough for me to use them. And even with such 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.920 a great product, they've fallen over. Essentially, what that means 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:30.240 for us as a country in consumers is really concerning 0:13:30.280 --> 0:13:33.080 because if you can't break into that market, and others 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:35.400 have tried, Bonds have tried to do it. If you 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.400 can't break into that market, where are we going to 0:13:38.520 --> 0:13:40.760 end up? I mean, this is just a green flag 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:44.440 to Quantus and Virgin essentially to say you have total 0:13:44.480 --> 0:13:47.800 control of the market, much like the supermarkets, and you 0:13:47.880 --> 0:13:51.280 can charge whatever you want. If the government doesn't get 0:13:51.280 --> 0:13:54.800 involved here in some way, mostly from the regional perspective, 0:13:54.800 --> 0:13:57.319 because they just can't do without these flights, we are 0:13:57.360 --> 0:13:59.280 going to be in a world of pain. I just 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:00.839 can't see how the couldn't get involved. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.240 And there's a good argument for the government to be 0:14:02.240 --> 0:14:04.760 involved because these regional centers provide so much of the 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.679 wealth of this country, provides so much of the tax 0:14:07.720 --> 0:14:10.439 revenue that the least the government can do is make 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:13.360 sure that they're able to give from place to place. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.880 Adam Bant put out a tweeked earlier today saying the 0:14:15.920 --> 0:14:18.720 government should just wholesale buy Rex Airlines. 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:20.320 I'm not sure many people would go for it. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:24.560 A bailout or a bailout subsidized. Did it for quantas 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.840 during the pandemic. People aren't opposed to a bailout for 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.640 once we can agree on a good. 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.520 Expenditure of taxpayer dollars. 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:37.280 Our government seems to love to spurge half the. 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:38.760 Things they spend our money on. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:42.400 We're like Kenya not This is something that, as you've 0:14:42.480 --> 0:14:46.120 just said, Caleb, is very important to people. We don't 0:14:46.200 --> 0:14:50.840 want to see this duopoly constantly having the monopoly on 0:14:51.040 --> 0:14:52.160 anyone who wants. 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:53.640 To board a flight in Australia. 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:58.400 And we cannot say enough with regards to Rex's importance 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.720 when it comes to the regions. So if the government 0:15:01.840 --> 0:15:04.360 is just going to allow Rex to roll. 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.000 Over here and die, how are we going? 0:15:07.320 --> 0:15:10.040 How on earth are they going to ensure that some 0:15:10.120 --> 0:15:13.720 sort of service is still available to the regions. If 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.880 they can't, then they simply can't allow this to happen. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:20.200 They can't allow REX to just well. 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:22.640 And that would be the thing, right if the government 0:15:22.680 --> 0:15:25.720 doesn't intervene here and provide some sort of bailout, then 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:28.120 the government will have to create a service. I mean, 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.880 they simply can't leave people high and dry. And that 0:15:31.000 --> 0:15:33.800 might be a mixture of state governments chucking in money 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.720 along with the federal government, but they can't leave people 0:15:36.800 --> 0:15:38.480 high and dry if you can't fly out of a 0:15:38.520 --> 0:15:41.600 place like Port Lincoln in South Australia or you know 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:45.440 the multiple other places that rec services. I know that 0:15:45.960 --> 0:15:50.240 Quantus through Quantuslink, does a lot of its own regional 0:15:50.360 --> 0:15:54.120 services now, but again we're talking about one of the 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.160 big duopoly companies, and so they will take this as 0:15:57.160 --> 0:16:00.120 a green flag to jack up their prices in terms 0:15:59.960 --> 0:16:02.880 of their regional services. But for places that are serviced 0:16:02.960 --> 0:16:06.240 only by res if they were to lose those flights, 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.920 I mean, they would be incandescent with rage and I 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:13.680 think ultimately it would cost us the taxpayer more because 0:16:13.680 --> 0:16:15.760 if they don't put something else in there, be it 0:16:15.800 --> 0:16:18.880 a government run airline or otherwise they're going to be 0:16:18.920 --> 0:16:19.600 left high and dry. 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.640 You just to be clear, are we agreeing with Adam 0:16:22.680 --> 0:16:23.360 Ban right now? 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:25.760 Well that we are to some degree. 0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:31.000 It would be cheaper to simply buy them out or 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:35.200 bail them out, then to watch them die and then. 0:16:35.160 --> 0:16:35.800 Just go Okay. 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:38.400 Now we've got to come up with something that is 0:16:38.720 --> 0:16:42.480 either state or federally funded to service the regions. I mean, 0:16:42.680 --> 0:16:45.480 all the infrastructure is there, the planes are there, the 0:16:45.520 --> 0:16:49.400 things up and running. It just needs an injection of funds. 0:16:49.640 --> 0:16:51.800 The other news that's just coming through is that apparently 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:56.160 res have canceled flights between major airports and they are 0:16:56.200 --> 0:17:01.520 currently in the process of contacting passengers who've got flights ticketed. 0:17:01.560 --> 0:17:03.160 So we'll have more about that when we look at 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:08.080 the newspapers later in the program. Obviously that's a developing story. 0:17:08.280 --> 0:17:10.520 We're talking about the madness of Victoria. The other place 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.480 you can go to see madness is the view on 0:17:13.560 --> 0:17:15.320 American television where Whoopy. 0:17:15.080 --> 0:17:18.080 Goldberg holds court. The funny thing about Woopy Goldberg is 0:17:18.080 --> 0:17:18.600 that if. 0:17:18.480 --> 0:17:20.560 Donald Trump so much it looks at so much as 0:17:20.600 --> 0:17:24.280 looks sideways, she is all upset and outraged about it. 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.520 But when Christians are mocked, slandered and ridiculed at the 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:30.200 opening ceremony of the Olympic Games, well, she says, ah, 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:32.200 it's no biggie, just change the channel. 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:32.800 Have a listen. 0:17:34.280 --> 0:17:39.080 Come on, y'all, it's the Olympics. Stop. I'm not trying 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:42.760 to do anything except talk about the history, and they're 0:17:42.800 --> 0:17:44.880 showing you the history. There are more too. 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:47.240 Many people in the picture for it to be the 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:50.359 twelve Disciples and then the seven or eight other people 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:51.359 who are in the picture. 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:52.720 The more people. 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.199 When you're not happy with something and it bothers, you 0:17:55.840 --> 0:17:59.360 don't take twenty hours to write an email. 0:18:00.000 --> 0:18:00.600 You're in the TV. 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.240 Off, watch something else. 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:07.480 Yeah, just change the channel and watch, you know, the 0:18:07.520 --> 0:18:10.680 other Olympics. You can't do that, of course, because there's 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:13.480 only one Olympic Games and it's for the entire world. 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:15.199 But Caleb, do you reckon the view would react like 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:17.680 that if it was Islam that had been mocked at 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:19.439 the Olympics. Do you think they'd be Oh, look, if 0:18:19.480 --> 0:18:21.760 you don't want to watch Islam being mocked, just change 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:22.320 the channel. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:24.760 It would have been an entirely different tune. For sure. 0:18:25.160 --> 0:18:28.359 I'm so glad that the lefties have finally woken up 0:18:28.400 --> 0:18:31.000 to the idea that if you don't like what someone 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.919 else is saying, perhaps you should just ignore it and 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:36.680 not be offended by it. I mean, are they Are 0:18:36.680 --> 0:18:39.520 they now going to make this their doctrine that they 0:18:39.600 --> 0:18:41.679 you know, like all you people who watch Guy and 0:18:41.760 --> 0:18:44.399 use and write in and every night, there's certain people 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:47.199 who write to me, like nearly every night and just 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.600 complain about what we're talking about. I'm like, why don't 0:18:49.640 --> 0:18:51.840 you just change the channel? Why do you sit there 0:18:51.960 --> 0:18:55.480 hating what you're watching every single night and getting so 0:18:55.560 --> 0:18:57.600 offended by it and then going off complaining on social 0:18:57.640 --> 0:18:59.560 media and writing in complaints to actbur and all this 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:01.880 sort of stuff. If you don't like it, switch it off. 0:19:01.920 --> 0:19:04.680 If they're going to do that in general, then I'm 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:08.399 all on board. Well, welcome to the free speech world. 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.240 I love it. I'm glad you finally worked it out. 0:19:11.400 --> 0:19:14.520 But of course we're not just talking here about you know, 0:19:14.640 --> 0:19:17.399 I'll switch it off because I don't particularly like what 0:19:17.560 --> 0:19:21.640 I'm watching. Like, we're talking about a program that is 0:19:21.920 --> 0:19:23.719 going to be watched by children. We know he's going 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.080 to be watched by children. We drag Queen's parading around. 0:19:27.240 --> 0:19:29.880 We're talking about a program, or I call it a program, 0:19:29.920 --> 0:19:32.720 but the opening ceremony, and that, as you pointed out, 0:19:32.840 --> 0:19:35.840 went after only one religion, not others. I mean, the 0:19:36.040 --> 0:19:38.920 you know, just switch it off. It's the bloody Olympics, 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:41.080 for heaven's sake. I mean she was talking about it 0:19:41.119 --> 0:19:44.560 as though it's the Olympics. It's the Olympics. What's the problem. 0:19:44.880 --> 0:19:47.600 That is the problem, that it is the Olympics. 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:50.879 Ceramon do with anything. 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.480 Let's keep in mind it wasn't just the Last Supper. 0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:58.520 At one point they had a ginormous golden calf on stage, 0:19:58.600 --> 0:20:01.960 straight out of the Book of Exodus. Then they had 0:20:02.240 --> 0:20:07.399 a beast or some weird mysterious cloaked figure writing what 0:20:07.560 --> 0:20:10.879 looked for all the world like either a pale horse 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:14.000 or a white horse straight out of the Book of 0:20:14.040 --> 0:20:18.920 Revelation right there, one of the horse riders of the Apocalypse. 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:25.200 I mean, these people were celebrating, dancing around a golden cuff. 0:20:25.440 --> 0:20:29.399 That imagery, that symbolism is powerful, and it wasn't lost 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:33.560 on anyone who is marginally familiar, much less. 0:20:33.359 --> 0:20:36.600 Belongs to the Christian faith. 0:20:36.760 --> 0:20:39.960 And for someone like Whoopi Goldberg, who is herself a 0:20:40.000 --> 0:20:42.200 member of the LGBTQ community. 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:45.040 So it's no wonder that she's like, I didn't see 0:20:45.040 --> 0:20:48.040 a problem with it. What's the matter with this? 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:52.760 Whereas for Christians, we know that all of this is 0:20:52.800 --> 0:20:57.200 actually spelled out in our Bibles. It is spelled out 0:20:57.200 --> 0:20:59.639 in our Bibles. The Bible says, as it was in 0:20:59.640 --> 0:21:02.720 the day of Sodom and Gomorrah, so shall it be. 0:21:03.000 --> 0:21:05.880 The Bible says, in the last days, mockers will come 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:09.000