1 00:00:05,881 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Appoche Production. 2 00:00:10,961 --> 00:00:13,521 Speaker 2: Welcome back to the first episode of our little edy 3 00:00:13,601 --> 00:00:16,161 Speaker 2: for twenty twenty six, and to be honest, I didn't 4 00:00:16,161 --> 00:00:18,961 Speaker 2: think we'd be releasing anything so early in January, but 5 00:00:19,201 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 2: there's been a lot of activity across the last four weeks. 6 00:00:22,961 --> 00:00:26,841 Speaker 2: Most of that activity has happened via email and social media, 7 00:00:26,961 --> 00:00:30,161 Speaker 2: and it's stuff that we've explored before, but not in 8 00:00:30,241 --> 00:00:34,081 Speaker 2: this detail. In this episode, the woman we've called Kate 9 00:00:34,241 --> 00:00:37,480 Speaker 2: throughout this podcast has been active on social media and 10 00:00:37,521 --> 00:00:41,281 Speaker 2: has made some allegations, which we'll cover again. There's also 11 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,041 Speaker 2: more from social media, this time from someone who is 12 00:00:45,081 --> 00:00:48,040 Speaker 2: connected to a police officer who was on site at 13 00:00:48,161 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 2: Eden's death, and we get clarity from witnesses who back 14 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,121 Speaker 2: up the claims that Eden was on alone the night 15 00:00:55,161 --> 00:01:00,041 Speaker 2: before she was found. But let's start with the news 16 00:01:00,081 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 2: from the Tasmanian Coroner's Court given the new legislation that 17 00:01:03,401 --> 00:01:09,441 Speaker 2: passed last year. On Ye's eve, I got a message 18 00:01:09,441 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: from Jason and Amanda wishing me happy birthday and all 19 00:01:12,721 --> 00:01:15,601 Speaker 2: the best for the new year, as well as a 20 00:01:15,601 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 2: bit of a heads up they were hopeful of the 21 00:01:19,161 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 2: release from the Chief Magistrate of thirteen autopsy photos and 22 00:01:24,481 --> 00:01:28,441 Speaker 2: other material which includes a police interview that happened in 23 00:01:28,481 --> 00:01:33,161 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three with the woman we've called Kate. This 24 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:37,241 Speaker 2: woman has never been spoken to prior to this happened 25 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 2: before the TV special from Liz Hayes and the Under 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,321 Speaker 2: Investigation team. 27 00:01:43,360 --> 00:01:49,481 Speaker 1: Tonight in a small Tasmanian fishing town, A schoolgirl's mysterious depth. 28 00:01:49,841 --> 00:01:51,881 Speaker 2: How did a young girl get up a tree of 29 00:01:51,921 --> 00:01:55,321 Speaker 2: that high, tie a knot and then take her own life? 30 00:01:55,681 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: That's left her devastated parents asking there's no way. 31 00:01:59,681 --> 00:02:01,881 Speaker 3: Even would have done that to herself. It didn't even 32 00:02:01,881 --> 00:02:04,641 Speaker 3: look like she could do that to herself. She seems 33 00:02:04,641 --> 00:02:06,241 Speaker 3: so important, possible what. 34 00:02:06,601 --> 00:02:09,081 Speaker 1: Really happened to Eden wistbook. 35 00:02:12,521 --> 00:02:15,840 Speaker 2: They're also hopeful of the release to their new pro 36 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,401 Speaker 2: bono barrister, Philip Duncase of a second pathologist report which 37 00:02:21,481 --> 00:02:25,361 Speaker 2: was conducted in August of twenty twenty four. We're hoping 38 00:02:25,401 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 2: this new information in the hands of this barrister and 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:33,201 Speaker 2: their independent experts might help answer some long awaited questions. 40 00:02:37,401 --> 00:02:40,361 Speaker 2: Just four days into the new year, I got alerted 41 00:02:40,401 --> 00:02:43,561 Speaker 2: to some activity on social media. It looked like the 42 00:02:43,641 --> 00:02:46,201 Speaker 2: girl we've called Kate in this series was active and 43 00:02:46,281 --> 00:02:50,401 Speaker 2: commenting on a video that was posted about the Westbrooks fight. 44 00:02:51,081 --> 00:02:53,561 Speaker 2: The first comment is from someone else who commented that 45 00:02:53,601 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 2: they hope Jason Amanda have some answers coming. And then 46 00:02:57,561 --> 00:03:01,041 Speaker 2: the girl we've called Kate jumps in. These are her words, 47 00:03:01,041 --> 00:03:04,001 Speaker 2: but not her voice. She says, I've. 48 00:03:03,921 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 4: Got to give it to that family. They've done a 49 00:03:05,841 --> 00:03:11,681 Speaker 4: real good job convincing lawyers, podcast authors, news stations, and 50 00:03:11,761 --> 00:03:16,481 Speaker 4: a politician with their story. The answer is suicide. So 51 00:03:16,561 --> 00:03:18,881 Speaker 4: I'd hate to deal with that answer, but I'd have to. 52 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,041 Speaker 2: So what the girl called Kate is alleging is that 53 00:03:24,281 --> 00:03:27,081 Speaker 2: the Westbrooks have done a really good job convincing lawyers, 54 00:03:27,481 --> 00:03:33,321 Speaker 2: news stations, politicians, and podcast investigators like me that there's 55 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:38,761 Speaker 2: nothing to see here. Others jump in defending the Westbrooks, 56 00:03:38,761 --> 00:03:42,561 Speaker 2: saying that tas Pol aren't the most reliable police force, 57 00:03:43,001 --> 00:03:44,841 Speaker 2: and Kate continues. 58 00:03:45,801 --> 00:03:50,121 Speaker 4: The family themselves knew it was suicide. It's only years 59 00:03:50,161 --> 00:03:53,161 Speaker 4: and years later they came out with about five different 60 00:03:53,201 --> 00:03:57,241 Speaker 4: wild stories of people to blame. I'm sorry, but they're 61 00:03:57,281 --> 00:04:01,561 Speaker 4: mentally ill and cannot accept what happened. They are in 62 00:04:01,681 --> 00:04:05,961 Speaker 4: denial and will never stop blaming others. If only they'd 63 00:04:06,041 --> 00:04:10,081 Speaker 4: get help, it's pretty sad that professionals go along with 64 00:04:10,161 --> 00:04:11,001 Speaker 4: their delusion. 65 00:04:15,041 --> 00:04:16,801 Speaker 2: We're keen to see the interview that was done with 66 00:04:16,881 --> 00:04:20,081 Speaker 2: Kate and still ask questions why it took almost ten 67 00:04:20,201 --> 00:04:24,761 Speaker 2: years for her to be interviewed. But back in July 68 00:04:24,880 --> 00:04:28,121 Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, we spoke to two separate people who 69 00:04:28,201 --> 00:04:31,641 Speaker 2: confirmed the girl we're calling Kate came to their house 70 00:04:32,081 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 2: on the night before Eden was found. These are their 71 00:04:36,201 --> 00:04:39,361 Speaker 2: actual recordings from back in twenty twenty three. You may 72 00:04:39,401 --> 00:04:42,401 Speaker 2: have heard them before, but they give extra context given 73 00:04:42,841 --> 00:04:45,681 Speaker 2: what the girl we've called Kate has just posted on 74 00:04:45,721 --> 00:04:51,961 Speaker 2: social media. We've changed their voices to protect their identity. Okay, 75 00:04:52,001 --> 00:04:58,081 Speaker 2: this was recorded at three twenty six on the thirteenth 76 00:04:58,121 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 2: of June twenty twenty three in the Pod Shaped studios. 77 00:05:01,641 --> 00:05:04,601 Speaker 3: The only person in the room on my end is me. 78 00:05:07,361 --> 00:05:09,721 Speaker 5: I was a bit because. 79 00:05:12,641 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: This person went on to tell me that she was 80 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,521 Speaker 2: nervous about coming forward. You'll hear we've beat the name 81 00:05:17,601 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 2: here when you hear that beep, we're referring to the 82 00:05:20,121 --> 00:05:22,401 Speaker 2: girl with calcad I. 83 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:24,361 Speaker 5: Didn't really know what to say. I didn't want to 84 00:05:24,401 --> 00:05:25,721 Speaker 5: say the wrong things or. 85 00:05:29,961 --> 00:05:36,201 Speaker 6: Mark anything up for work. Sometimes investigation or something, But 86 00:05:39,641 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 6: now do what I need to speak. 87 00:05:43,641 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 2: Have you ever told anyone else what you're about to 88 00:05:46,961 --> 00:05:57,081 Speaker 2: tell me? Have police ever interviewed you or spoken to you? 89 00:05:57,121 --> 00:05:57,200 Speaker 7: No? 90 00:06:02,841 --> 00:06:10,521 Speaker 5: I have been going up and that came over to 91 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:15,921 Speaker 5: my house and she was getting cannabis or something called 92 00:06:15,921 --> 00:06:19,521 Speaker 5: my dead partner. I don't remember what time it was 93 00:06:20,081 --> 00:06:22,041 Speaker 5: and she came over, but it was definitely dark. In 94 00:06:22,081 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 5: out cried, so it was like night time. But I 95 00:06:25,921 --> 00:06:28,681 Speaker 5: remember at one point she had come into my bes 96 00:06:28,761 --> 00:06:34,321 Speaker 5: dream where me and my friends were, and she had 97 00:06:34,361 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 5: pretty much shucked and giving me a bag of cannabis 98 00:06:40,601 --> 00:06:42,961 Speaker 5: I didn't ask for. She pretty much chuffd it like 99 00:06:43,081 --> 00:06:46,921 Speaker 5: me like he had this. She likely I could tell 100 00:06:47,121 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 5: she was like already she had already been on drugs 101 00:06:51,521 --> 00:06:54,241 Speaker 5: or something, because she definitely wasn't her normal self. 102 00:06:55,201 --> 00:06:56,161 Speaker 7: And she told me that. 103 00:06:58,801 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 5: She was giving me the cannabis and she keeps me 104 00:07:02,121 --> 00:07:04,481 Speaker 5: and she had a bag of cannabis seas and said 105 00:07:04,521 --> 00:07:07,361 Speaker 5: that she's got to try and tell the seed because 106 00:07:07,361 --> 00:07:11,921 Speaker 5: they work more. I faintly, my friends remembered a bit 107 00:07:11,921 --> 00:07:18,801 Speaker 5: more than I do, remember her mentioning In's name, and 108 00:07:19,241 --> 00:07:25,201 Speaker 5: but my friends remember telling us that you might be 109 00:07:25,281 --> 00:07:29,401 Speaker 5: checking the time to do, and she kept saying that 110 00:07:29,801 --> 00:07:32,081 Speaker 5: she needed to go a meet in that King's Park. 111 00:07:32,721 --> 00:07:35,481 Speaker 2: Post this call with this person back in twenty twenty three, 112 00:07:35,961 --> 00:07:38,721 Speaker 2: we were able to talk with their friend that was 113 00:07:38,761 --> 00:07:42,001 Speaker 2: also there on the night. He's an excerpt from that conversation. 114 00:07:42,841 --> 00:07:47,601 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I did. I didn't understand what it was, 115 00:07:47,881 --> 00:07:50,081 Speaker 8: like what was going on with it, Like I just 116 00:07:50,921 --> 00:07:54,561 Speaker 8: like she wasn't my card onself. I didn't understand what 117 00:07:54,881 --> 00:07:57,961 Speaker 8: I thought. She just did like some hard drugs and 118 00:07:58,121 --> 00:08:02,001 Speaker 8: was like facing the consequences of it because she was 119 00:08:02,081 --> 00:08:06,681 Speaker 8: just talking like a million miles that like I thoughts 120 00:08:06,761 --> 00:08:10,241 Speaker 8: really everywhere, like couldn't keep one to one thing, and 121 00:08:10,481 --> 00:08:15,201 Speaker 8: the one thing she would talk about was not didn't 122 00:08:15,241 --> 00:08:19,121 Speaker 8: make sense. But and he like behavior was all work. 123 00:08:20,881 --> 00:08:23,121 Speaker 7: Like I just thought because I was in their kids, 124 00:08:23,161 --> 00:08:28,481 Speaker 7: then I just thought that she was just hard jokes. 125 00:08:28,561 --> 00:08:32,561 Speaker 8: But then like growing back, like growing up and looking 126 00:08:32,641 --> 00:08:35,361 Speaker 8: back like she got she would have been going through 127 00:08:35,441 --> 00:08:42,041 Speaker 8: like psychosis or something. But she gave us like weeds 128 00:08:42,761 --> 00:08:46,161 Speaker 8: and she told us to like take all the seeds 129 00:08:46,721 --> 00:08:49,881 Speaker 8: kind of like the seed, So she told us to 130 00:08:49,921 --> 00:08:53,401 Speaker 8: take all the seeds out and like put him in 131 00:08:53,441 --> 00:08:56,401 Speaker 8: a little bed and like she was going to give 132 00:08:56,481 --> 00:08:59,201 Speaker 8: him to back to the person and make them wait 133 00:08:59,361 --> 00:09:02,281 Speaker 8: to get the money. Bay, but I was thinking, and 134 00:09:02,361 --> 00:09:06,161 Speaker 8: she just but she got gold rampages and then check 135 00:09:06,281 --> 00:09:10,761 Speaker 8: the time and then say she had what was going 136 00:09:10,841 --> 00:09:16,521 Speaker 8: to go say eating. She kept flu checking the time 137 00:09:16,561 --> 00:09:19,001 Speaker 8: I asked him for the time. She kept saying she 138 00:09:19,081 --> 00:09:21,601 Speaker 8: was going to stay eating, and I thought that was 139 00:09:21,641 --> 00:09:27,761 Speaker 8: really weird because eating wasn't in our kind of wasn't 140 00:09:27,801 --> 00:09:30,841 Speaker 8: in that kind of scene. But she she kept like 141 00:09:31,361 --> 00:09:35,681 Speaker 8: going on like ramp like rambles and stuff, but then 142 00:09:35,801 --> 00:09:38,001 Speaker 8: kept like checking the time I asked him at the time, 143 00:09:38,681 --> 00:09:39,681 Speaker 8: kept saying she was going. 144 00:09:39,641 --> 00:09:44,721 Speaker 7: To go eating that King's pa And then I guess, 145 00:09:45,321 --> 00:09:46,641 Speaker 7: I think I must left. 146 00:09:46,921 --> 00:09:51,321 Speaker 8: She left, and then the next day we're kind of 147 00:09:52,081 --> 00:09:53,041 Speaker 8: found in the tree. 148 00:09:53,081 --> 00:10:00,961 Speaker 7: And then and then I went to another house and then. 149 00:10:02,401 --> 00:10:06,281 Speaker 8: She was there and she just kept like saying our sorry, 150 00:10:06,361 --> 00:10:09,281 Speaker 8: she was she could have stopped it, but and it 151 00:10:09,361 --> 00:10:13,921 Speaker 8: was like more erratic and worse behavior than the night. 152 00:10:15,161 --> 00:10:17,681 Speaker 8: It felt like it was going on for a few days. 153 00:10:18,441 --> 00:10:23,161 Speaker 8: Her behavior was and it was just but saying the 154 00:10:23,201 --> 00:10:26,681 Speaker 8: same things. And then nothing made sense, but she kept 155 00:10:26,681 --> 00:10:30,001 Speaker 8: saying she was sorry, and she could have stopped it. 156 00:10:30,881 --> 00:10:34,641 Speaker 8: And but then yeah, I just remember getting frustrated because 157 00:10:34,681 --> 00:10:39,561 Speaker 8: nothing made sense. So she gone like erratic rampages and 158 00:10:40,161 --> 00:10:44,561 Speaker 8: that it wouldn't lead to any conclusion. But I really 159 00:10:44,601 --> 00:10:49,041 Speaker 8: think looking back, it was like a psychosis or something like. 160 00:10:49,241 --> 00:10:51,801 Speaker 8: It was not like normal behavior. 161 00:10:52,281 --> 00:10:55,481 Speaker 2: Was there anything about her appearance of the days after 162 00:10:55,601 --> 00:10:57,641 Speaker 2: eating that you noticed that was different. 163 00:10:58,001 --> 00:10:58,481 Speaker 7: I was. 164 00:11:00,201 --> 00:11:04,321 Speaker 8: At her house. She was sitting on the floor and 165 00:11:04,481 --> 00:11:09,161 Speaker 8: she cut her hair. She cut her hair often. It 166 00:11:09,241 --> 00:11:12,161 Speaker 8: was like it was like a little pony tail feet 167 00:11:13,161 --> 00:11:15,281 Speaker 8: and like it was like in a braid and she's 168 00:11:15,761 --> 00:11:18,601 Speaker 8: going to put like she's going to put it at 169 00:11:18,601 --> 00:11:19,041 Speaker 8: the tree. 170 00:11:19,961 --> 00:11:23,681 Speaker 7: I put it on the tree, and then she put 171 00:11:23,761 --> 00:11:25,161 Speaker 7: like an eat in her head. 172 00:11:26,281 --> 00:11:31,081 Speaker 2: But has anyone in an authority position ever come and 173 00:11:31,121 --> 00:11:37,201 Speaker 2: asked you about what happened? Would you consider and Eden 174 00:11:37,321 --> 00:11:38,201 Speaker 2: good friends? 175 00:11:38,881 --> 00:11:38,921 Speaker 7: No? 176 00:11:41,161 --> 00:11:44,161 Speaker 8: But that's what I was trying to say, Like was 177 00:11:45,201 --> 00:11:47,601 Speaker 8: Etan was more like it was more in the popular 178 00:11:47,681 --> 00:11:50,921 Speaker 8: group than like I guess, I guess the group I'm 179 00:11:50,961 --> 00:11:53,721 Speaker 8: referred to is like the you know, the street kids. 180 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:56,841 Speaker 8: I don't know, like the like That's why when that 181 00:11:57,001 --> 00:11:59,921 Speaker 8: night she see she's saying to mego seas and I 182 00:12:00,001 --> 00:12:04,481 Speaker 8: was like, this is weird, isn't I remember that night 183 00:12:04,521 --> 00:12:09,081 Speaker 8: I went to Eden and be like, don't so, and 184 00:12:09,241 --> 00:12:13,481 Speaker 8: Rember'd be like, why I just seen Eden, But I 185 00:12:13,481 --> 00:12:16,801 Speaker 8: don't see how they see even kind of cross paths in. 186 00:12:20,841 --> 00:12:23,921 Speaker 2: We can confirm although it seems police have spoken to 187 00:12:23,961 --> 00:12:27,161 Speaker 2: the girl we call Kate in twenty twenty three, We've 188 00:12:27,241 --> 00:12:30,401 Speaker 2: checked in with these two witnesses again on January sixth, 189 00:12:30,601 --> 00:12:34,161 Speaker 2: twenty twenty six, and they still had never been. 190 00:12:34,001 --> 00:12:47,961 Speaker 3: Spoken to by police at this time of the year. 191 00:12:48,041 --> 00:12:51,281 Speaker 2: It seems some people in Saint Helen's also want to 192 00:12:51,361 --> 00:12:55,121 Speaker 2: jump in on the Eden investigation. This time it was 193 00:12:55,161 --> 00:12:58,521 Speaker 2: on a Facebook group that has over four thousand followers. 194 00:12:59,281 --> 00:13:02,241 Speaker 2: In one particular post, they talk about Jackie Lamby and 195 00:13:02,281 --> 00:13:05,561 Speaker 2: her work around the Eden case, and then some jumps 196 00:13:05,601 --> 00:13:10,041 Speaker 2: in with a now deleted comment and thread. These have 197 00:13:10,121 --> 00:13:13,161 Speaker 2: since been deleted by the admin given they name some people, 198 00:13:13,321 --> 00:13:16,601 Speaker 2: so we won't name anyone in this podcast, but will 199 00:13:16,641 --> 00:13:22,841 Speaker 2: for context paraphrase what was written. The person commenting was 200 00:13:22,881 --> 00:13:27,121 Speaker 2: someone that claims they were there when Eden was found. 201 00:13:30,401 --> 00:13:33,761 Speaker 2: They claimed that they were there when Amanda arrived to 202 00:13:33,801 --> 00:13:39,761 Speaker 2: see her daughter. They also claimed that Eden hung herself 203 00:13:40,121 --> 00:13:43,841 Speaker 2: and all of her troubles stemmed from her own family. 204 00:13:47,801 --> 00:13:51,121 Speaker 2: The person that posted these comments are a family member 205 00:13:51,201 --> 00:13:54,921 Speaker 2: of a police officer. That police officer was on site 206 00:13:55,161 --> 00:14:02,041 Speaker 2: when Eden was found. We've reached out to this person 207 00:14:02,121 --> 00:14:05,321 Speaker 2: and asked them to explain the since deleted comment and 208 00:14:05,361 --> 00:14:09,161 Speaker 2: thread and why they were one of the first crime scene, 209 00:14:09,361 --> 00:14:12,041 Speaker 2: but at the time of publishing, we've not heard back. 210 00:14:17,801 --> 00:14:20,481 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening to Our Little Lady. 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