1 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: You can listen to the Front on your smart speaker 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: every morning to hear the latest episode, just say play 3 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: the News from The Australian. From The Australian, I'm Claire Harvey. 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:25,280 Speaker 1: A special bonus episode of The Front for you Today. 5 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 1: Over six weeks, The Australian is publishing six essays by 6 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 1: remarkable Australians to mark our mast Head's sixtieth anniversary. Today 7 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: journalist Chris Yulman, who's recently joined The Australian and Sky 8 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: News as a commentator. He's writing on the theme of power. 9 00:00:59,280 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: This January remarks a big anniversary for troops who fought 10 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 2: an Operation Desert Storm. Of Operation Desert Storm amount of 11 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 2: Desert Storm thirty years ago, one of the largest air 12 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: campaigns in our military's history took place Operation Desert Storm. 13 00:01:14,319 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: Operation Desert Storm the United Nations led response to Iraq's 14 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:24,360 Speaker 1: invasion of Kuwait. Here's how then US President George Herbert 15 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: Walkerbush announced it to the world on January seventeenth, nineteen 16 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:30,760 Speaker 1: ninety one. 17 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 2: Just two hours ago, Allied air forces began an attack 18 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:39,959 Speaker 2: on military targets in Iraq and Kuwait. These attacks continue 19 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,400 Speaker 2: as I speak. Five months ago Sadam Nssein started this 20 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 2: cruel war against Kuwait tonight. The battle has been joined. 21 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: A bit over a month later, the ground assault came 22 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: his General Colin Powell. 23 00:01:57,320 --> 00:01:59,960 Speaker 2: Our strategy to go after this army is very very simple. 24 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: First we're going to cut it off, and then we're 25 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: going to kill it. 26 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: At the time, Kuwait was occupied by Iraqi forces. They'd 27 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 1: been there for seven months. 28 00:02:12,520 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 2: The answer to that question and will splitter is at 29 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: your old workplace to the undergo. 30 00:02:17,040 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: Newsrooms around the world watched this stunning assault, Operation Desert 31 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: Storm unfold in real time via a CNN live feed. 32 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 3: The President maybe going on television later this evening. 33 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 2: To explain what I'm sorry to winter rupt. We're going 34 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,000 Speaker 2: back to Baghdad now because we can and we have. 35 00:02:36,160 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 3: But we are then include them. 36 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 2: Okayrding, go ahead, I can hear you and can record 37 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 2: Please come in to us from Baghdad. 38 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,040 Speaker 1: Journalist Chris Hulman watched it from the news floor of 39 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: the Canberra Times, where a rare mid morning edition of 40 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: that paper had been sent to the printers, but it 41 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:56,679 Speaker 1: became old news almost immediately. 42 00:02:58,080 --> 00:03:00,679 Speaker 3: We were standing to take a photograph with the mid 43 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 3: morning edition that had done. We'd all work very very 44 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 3: hard on It was to keep the good Burghers of 45 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,280 Speaker 3: Canberra across all of the details. And there was a 46 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 3: television in the corner, just one television, and it was 47 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 3: streaming CNN, one of the local stations. I can't remember 48 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 3: which one had CNN on full time. And you might 49 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: recall at that time they were the only ones who 50 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:21,520 Speaker 3: stayed in Iraq for the war. And they had a 51 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,680 Speaker 3: single camera which was on the balcony at the hotel, 52 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,400 Speaker 3: so it actually recorded the first shots of the war. 53 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,000 Speaker 3: It was the thing that made CNN. But as we 54 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: were lining up for the photograph, what happened was that 55 00:03:32,360 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 3: it cut dramatically to tele Aviv and there was a 56 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 3: reporter in a gas mask it looked like a World 57 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 3: War One issue gas mask, who said that a SCUD 58 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: missile had fallen in Tel Aviv and it could be 59 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:46,400 Speaker 3: carrying a chemical payload. Now that was the great fear 60 00:03:46,640 --> 00:03:49,240 Speaker 3: that Israel would be dragged into this war and there'll 61 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 3: be a broader Middle Eastern war. Now we didn't know 62 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 3: at the time that that wasn't the case. It wasn't 63 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: carrying chemical weapons. But I looked at that television and 64 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: at the front page, which was out of date before 65 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 3: the print run had finished, and thought, this changes everything, 66 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,040 Speaker 3: and it did. 67 00:04:11,000 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: Desert Storm was a turning point in the way we 68 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: report the news, both because of the dawn of the 69 00:04:16,480 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: twenty four hour news cycle and of the Internet. In 70 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: twenty oh seven, the smartphone followed. 71 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 2: It's the Internet in your pocket. 72 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: For the first time ever. Suddenly everyone everywhere had access 73 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: to information, news, ideas, entertainment all the time. It was 74 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:42,920 Speaker 1: a technological revolution with implications we couldn't imagine. 75 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,920 Speaker 3: But this much is certain. We're living through the greatest 76 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 3: power shift in human history. 77 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,159 Speaker 1: That's Chris Yulman reading excerpts of the essay he's written 78 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,080 Speaker 1: for The Australian. 79 00:04:56,279 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: Because the well head of power does not flow down 80 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,400 Speaker 3: from monarchies to tyrannies or democracies, but up from the 81 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:06,039 Speaker 3: air and flow of ideas that transform crowds into mobs. 82 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: Ideas are the source of all power in human affairs, 83 00:05:10,839 --> 00:05:14,239 Speaker 3: as rational animals. Ideas are the ground of our being 84 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 3: because we only make sense of ourselves and the world 85 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:21,280 Speaker 3: by standing on the mental flagstones of our culture. That's 86 00:05:21,320 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: both a blessing and a curse, because cultures can be 87 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,400 Speaker 3: wildly divergent. Two people witnessing the same event can take 88 00:05:28,480 --> 00:05:32,040 Speaker 3: pole or opposite views on it based entirely on their worldview. 89 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:37,160 Speaker 3: In a politically diverse, multicultural democracy, those differences exist in 90 00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: the same postcode. 91 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 1: To explain this, Yulman invokes John Milton's epic poem Paradise Lost, 92 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: published in the seventeenth century. Milton's masterpiece explores over ten 93 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: thousand lines the biblical conflict between God and Satan over 94 00:05:57,200 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: the devil's corruption of humanity. 95 00:06:01,520 --> 00:06:04,680 Speaker 3: No one better encapsulated the power of the human psyche 96 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 3: to shape its own reality than John Milton in Paradise Lost. 97 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: When he's fallen, Satan decides it's better to rule in 98 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 3: hell than to serve in heaven. The mind is its 99 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: own place, and in itself can make a heaven of 100 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 3: hell or a hell of heaven. Political power may grow 101 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:24,279 Speaker 3: out of the barrel of a gun, but it is 102 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,479 Speaker 3: an idea that compels someone to pull the trigger to 103 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:29,800 Speaker 3: raise an army to start a war. 104 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: Coming up. If power flows from ideas, where can we 105 00:06:38,880 --> 00:06:42,480 Speaker 1: expect it to land. The Australian has been holding power 106 00:06:42,520 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 1: to account for six decades and our subscribers are the 107 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: first to read our lively commentary, in depth analysis and 108 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 1: game changing news. Join us at the Australian dot com 109 00:06:53,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: AU and we'll be back after this break. The Internet 110 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:22,560 Speaker 1: and smart devices have facilitated an unprecedented information exchange, but 111 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: they've also helped miss and disinformation to spread unchecked. 112 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 3: The best and worst desires of almost every human heart 113 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:37,200 Speaker 3: have now been grafted to an irresistible Internet appendage, just 114 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 3: a hair brained thought away from international broadcast. The portal 115 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,400 Speaker 3: to all this is in your pocket. Step through the 116 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 3: looking glass, and all manner of wonder and horror abound, 117 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: and it comes with the illusion that you are in control. 118 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 1: All this chaos springs from ideas and from our unfettered 119 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: access to them. But if, as Chris Yilman argues in 120 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 1: his essay for the Australian Power is born of ideas, 121 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: who's going to end up holding it? 122 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 3: Well, it's impossible to know. And that's just it. All 123 00:08:11,840 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 3: of us want to know the future. It's one of 124 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,280 Speaker 3: the great human longings. I'm constantly being asked, who's going 125 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:17,840 Speaker 3: to win the next election? Have been all of my 126 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: political career. I don't know. It's the answer to that question. 127 00:08:20,400 --> 00:08:22,960 Speaker 3: Sometimes you can have some sort of idea about where 128 00:08:23,000 --> 00:08:25,440 Speaker 3: things are heading. But we can't stand the idea that 129 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: we don't know what's going to happen next. All that 130 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:33,520 Speaker 3: I know is that the most powerful things are human ideas. 131 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 3: The great changes that we see in history, the monumental events, 132 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,040 Speaker 3: are all driven by the invisible changes in human ideas. 133 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,239 Speaker 3: And you might think that power comes down from monarchies, 134 00:08:45,320 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 3: or from tyrannies, or from democracies. It flows up from 135 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 3: the mob to those people in power. And when the 136 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 3: ideas of the mob change, it doesn't matter what form 137 00:08:55,920 --> 00:09:00,680 Speaker 3: of government you have, then government's full. So it's the 138 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:04,320 Speaker 3: power of ideas, I think, which are the driving force 139 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:07,000 Speaker 3: of change in the world and have always have been 140 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:10,400 Speaker 3: in human events because our culture is the ground of 141 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 3: our being, and our culture decides everything that we perceive. 142 00:09:17,800 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: What makes a good idea good and a bad idea 143 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 1: bad then is a matter of perspective, not speed. 144 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 3: It's bewildering. We can't keep up with the rate of 145 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,600 Speaker 3: ideas as they flow and things change. That wherein constant 146 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 3: takes a state of flux, now of chaos, and human 147 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 3: ideas have always thrown up good ideas and bad ideas. 148 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 3: We all know that as as far as government forms go, 149 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 3: I think fascism is a bad idea. I think communism 150 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 3: has turned out to be a pretty bad idea in democracy, 151 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 3: for all of its faults, turns out to be one 152 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:50,040 Speaker 3: of the best ideas about how you should order human affairs. 153 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 3: But all these forms of governments now face their challenges 154 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 3: with this, and they're all responding in different ways. In 155 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 3: Hujing things, China is essentially locking down the Internet and 156 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 3: making sure that only the ideas that are sanctioned by 157 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 3: the government can be put before the people. He spends 158 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: more time and more money policing his own people than 159 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,559 Speaker 3: he does in building his enormous defense force. In a democracy, 160 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:15,280 Speaker 3: it's much more difficult, you know, how do we be 161 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,080 Speaker 3: gatekeepers to these ideas that a lot of people talking 162 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:20,800 Speaker 3: at the moment about the ideas that they would like ban. 163 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 3: And I think sometimes the only difference between left and 164 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 3: right are the things that they want to ban. And 165 00:10:26,920 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 3: it is a difficult thing when you believe, as I do, 166 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 3: that free speech is a foundation stone of a liberal democracy, 167 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 3: and yet some of these ideas are clearly destructive. Free 168 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 3: speech has always been regulated in some way, but I 169 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: don't know how liberal democracy confronts this challenge. And what's 170 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:48,880 Speaker 3: happening is that we are being eaten apart internally by 171 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:51,839 Speaker 3: the warring tribes. And that's not just cultural differences, that's 172 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:56,280 Speaker 3: political differences. We're constantly being told about the threats from 173 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 3: the right, and we saw that with Donald Trump not 174 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 3: wanting to leave power in the United States, and that's 175 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,679 Speaker 3: clearly a threat because the defining feature of democracy is 176 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 3: the governments willingly give up power. If you decide you're 177 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 3: going to challenge that, then you really are starting to 178 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,480 Speaker 3: make a challenge of the foundation stones of democracy. But 179 00:11:13,520 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: there's also a project on the left which would appear 180 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:19,080 Speaker 3: to be that it wants to lift up every flagstone 181 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 3: of the ideas that have built our society and dismissed 182 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 3: them all as a white, colonial, racist project. And when 183 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 3: they rip up the last flagstone, where will we stand? 184 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: Wherell we plant our feet? So I genuinely think that 185 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 3: at the moment, liberal democracies face the biggest threat from 186 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: what we're seeing and the expansion and the sort of 187 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 3: rapid changing of ideas and of the chaos that that 188 00:11:42,840 --> 00:12:00,080 Speaker 3: sort of has engendered in society. 189 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:11,160 Speaker 1: You can read Chris Yuelman's sixtieth anniversary essay at the 190 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,959 Speaker 1: Australian dot com dot au. This episode of the Front 191 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: was produced by Kristin Amiot