1 00:00:05,921 --> 00:00:07,281 Speaker 1: Apoche Production. 2 00:00:10,801 --> 00:00:13,360 Speaker 2: Welcome to Secrets of the Underworld. I am Neil the 3 00:00:13,441 --> 00:00:16,881 Speaker 2: Muscle comments and in this episode I speak with Contessa 4 00:00:16,961 --> 00:00:20,121 Speaker 2: Williams from Stripping and King's Cross to Adult World in 5 00:00:20,241 --> 00:00:21,601 Speaker 2: poorn Oh. 6 00:00:21,681 --> 00:00:23,921 Speaker 1: I was drunk twenty four to seven on that show. 7 00:00:25,241 --> 00:00:27,841 Speaker 1: It's like crenographed sex and then they say, then they 8 00:00:27,881 --> 00:00:29,681 Speaker 1: fix their hair cut, fix the makeup. I was like, 9 00:00:29,681 --> 00:00:32,321 Speaker 1: come on, and then he said you should be a dominatrix, 10 00:00:32,361 --> 00:00:33,840 Speaker 1: would be so good at it, and I said I'd 11 00:00:33,841 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: love to. He was from overseas and she branded her 12 00:00:36,561 --> 00:00:40,721 Speaker 1: initials into his penis so I would attach pads to 13 00:00:40,801 --> 00:00:44,400 Speaker 1: his balls and put a road inside his urethra. I've 14 00:00:44,441 --> 00:00:45,521 Speaker 1: got videos if you want to see. 15 00:00:50,721 --> 00:00:55,161 Speaker 2: All right, Tess, thank you for coming on. This is Yeah, 16 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:56,961 Speaker 2: this has been a bit of an exciting interview. I 17 00:00:56,961 --> 00:00:58,601 Speaker 2: can't wait to do this one. Before we get into 18 00:00:58,681 --> 00:01:01,121 Speaker 2: nitty gritty about tell me a bit about you, your 19 00:01:01,321 --> 00:01:05,041 Speaker 2: you know, growing up, your family, you know what made you. 20 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:10,521 Speaker 1: You a complex tale. Yeah, I grew up. I was 21 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,401 Speaker 1: born in South Africa, came over when I was very 22 00:01:13,481 --> 00:01:17,161 Speaker 1: very young, and I grew up in the church. Yes 23 00:01:17,521 --> 00:01:22,241 Speaker 1: Wow Brethren Church, very strict and constantly being told when 24 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 1: I was a child, you're not good enough, you're not 25 00:01:24,241 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 1: good enough, you're not good enough. No, your grades are 26 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:28,720 Speaker 1: not good enough, you're not smart enough, you're not this. 27 00:01:28,961 --> 00:01:31,041 Speaker 1: And it was just always that acceptance. I was craving 28 00:01:31,241 --> 00:01:34,881 Speaker 1: that acceptance to be just yeah. And I think that's 29 00:01:35,121 --> 00:01:37,681 Speaker 1: kind of how I got into the industry. It was 30 00:01:37,721 --> 00:01:40,321 Speaker 1: being bullied at school and then having a sister who 31 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:43,321 Speaker 1: was by ultimate bully when I got home, and then 32 00:01:43,481 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: when I got to Mum had this brilliant idea to 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:48,641 Speaker 1: put me in modeling, which was like getting fuel to 34 00:01:48,681 --> 00:01:52,921 Speaker 1: the fire because you're being told every casting and even 35 00:01:52,921 --> 00:01:54,721 Speaker 1: if you get the job, you're not good enough, honey, 36 00:01:54,801 --> 00:01:56,681 Speaker 1: lose weight, do this. Even if you're booking the job 37 00:01:56,721 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: and you're doing the job, there's still being put down. 38 00:01:59,001 --> 00:02:02,041 Speaker 1: So teenage girl being told that. On top of that, 39 00:02:02,121 --> 00:02:04,481 Speaker 1: my self esteem was just in the gutter. And then 40 00:02:04,561 --> 00:02:06,281 Speaker 1: I think a lot of boyfriends picked up on that 41 00:02:06,401 --> 00:02:10,281 Speaker 1: and just fed into that. They picked up on those insecurities, 42 00:02:10,921 --> 00:02:12,761 Speaker 1: and the first time I went to a strip club, 43 00:02:12,841 --> 00:02:15,641 Speaker 1: oh my goodness, Like I was scared to go. My 44 00:02:15,641 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: boyfriend dragged me there. He thought I was going to 45 00:02:17,321 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: be jealous and then I saw the most beautiful woman 46 00:02:21,001 --> 00:02:23,761 Speaker 1: I've ever seen in my whole life on stage. These 47 00:02:23,800 --> 00:02:26,121 Speaker 1: girls were not like the strippers today. These were like 48 00:02:26,201 --> 00:02:29,601 Speaker 1: Baywatch glamor girls. And one was like around the same 49 00:02:29,641 --> 00:02:32,401 Speaker 1: age as me, and I thought, this is who I 50 00:02:32,441 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: want to be. That girl and she's just got the attitude. 51 00:02:35,441 --> 00:02:40,041 Speaker 1: She's beautiful and she's dancing. And then my boyfriend saw that. 52 00:02:40,401 --> 00:02:42,801 Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. I was like, wow, look at that girl. 53 00:02:42,921 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Like I was tipping her. I'm like, well, you're so beautiful, 54 00:02:45,161 --> 00:02:48,881 Speaker 1: You're so beautiful. And then he said, no, I'm going 55 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,881 Speaker 1: to take her for our lap dance. And she went, 56 00:02:51,001 --> 00:02:53,241 Speaker 1: that is so rude. Take a girlfriend as well. And 57 00:02:53,281 --> 00:02:55,721 Speaker 1: then all the compliments he was paying to her, she 58 00:02:55,761 --> 00:03:00,081 Speaker 1: was redirecting back at me like true sisterhood, Like yeah, 59 00:03:00,121 --> 00:03:01,841 Speaker 1: and then he went to go touch her, to go 60 00:03:01,881 --> 00:03:04,081 Speaker 1: onto a ted g string, and she slapped him in 61 00:03:04,081 --> 00:03:06,041 Speaker 1: the face like I've never seen anyone do that. I've 62 00:03:06,081 --> 00:03:08,561 Speaker 1: never seen him so scared in his life, and he 63 00:03:08,601 --> 00:03:10,881 Speaker 1: got dragged up by security. And before I left, she 64 00:03:10,921 --> 00:03:12,961 Speaker 1: grabbed me by the arm and said, what are you 65 00:03:13,001 --> 00:03:14,841 Speaker 1: doing here? I mean, what are you doing here with 66 00:03:14,881 --> 00:03:15,321 Speaker 1: that loser? 67 00:03:15,401 --> 00:03:15,561 Speaker 2: Yah? 68 00:03:16,201 --> 00:03:19,361 Speaker 1: I went, that's my boyfriend. She goes, you should work here. 69 00:03:19,881 --> 00:03:22,081 Speaker 1: I said, no way, I'm not pretty like you. She goes, 70 00:03:22,201 --> 00:03:23,881 Speaker 1: you are good enough to work here. What are you 71 00:03:23,921 --> 00:03:25,721 Speaker 1: talking about. It's like the first time I heard that 72 00:03:25,761 --> 00:03:28,201 Speaker 1: word you're good enough, and this is by the most 73 00:03:28,201 --> 00:03:30,921 Speaker 1: beautiful girl that I wanted to be. Saying this to 74 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,161 Speaker 1: me was like a huge impact. I was like, Wow, 75 00:03:33,281 --> 00:03:35,161 Speaker 1: you really think I'm good enough? She goes, Oh, yeah, 76 00:03:35,281 --> 00:03:37,281 Speaker 1: you do so well here. You break so many hearts 77 00:03:37,321 --> 00:03:40,761 Speaker 1: and you just destroy so many wallets in the process. 78 00:03:41,361 --> 00:03:45,881 Speaker 1: And that was all just my brain chemistry just shifted 79 00:03:45,881 --> 00:03:47,641 Speaker 1: that day. I thought, yep, I'm going to be a 80 00:03:47,641 --> 00:03:51,041 Speaker 1: stripper back. No. I had to to get away from 81 00:03:51,081 --> 00:03:53,521 Speaker 1: that guy. I had to get two restraining orders and 82 00:03:53,601 --> 00:03:55,641 Speaker 1: relocate to a different shape. Yeah. 83 00:03:56,081 --> 00:03:57,521 Speaker 2: So you took your advice on you. That's how you 84 00:03:57,921 --> 00:03:58,681 Speaker 2: got in the industry. 85 00:03:58,801 --> 00:04:02,481 Speaker 1: Yeah, wow, And I just needed I was still modeling 86 00:04:02,481 --> 00:04:04,241 Speaker 1: at the time, and the last job I did with 87 00:04:04,321 --> 00:04:07,121 Speaker 1: modeling was the least commercial, and I'm made twenty grand. 88 00:04:07,121 --> 00:04:09,201 Speaker 1: And I took that twenty grand and I bought breast implants, 89 00:04:09,721 --> 00:04:12,041 Speaker 1: and I thought, this is how determined. I was. 90 00:04:13,881 --> 00:04:16,001 Speaker 2: Like, you're going all out? Yeah, so which was the 91 00:04:16,041 --> 00:04:16,921 Speaker 2: first strip for me went to? 92 00:04:17,281 --> 00:04:18,481 Speaker 1: It was Twin Peaks. 93 00:04:18,801 --> 00:04:21,241 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, and you went nervous. 94 00:04:21,521 --> 00:04:23,841 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. I was begging every guy not to not 95 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:25,841 Speaker 1: to book me for a dessert. I was saying, no, 96 00:04:25,921 --> 00:04:27,721 Speaker 1: I can't do it. I'm sorry, no, no, no, and 97 00:04:27,761 --> 00:04:29,641 Speaker 1: the owner went, come here, come here, come here. You 98 00:04:29,641 --> 00:04:31,801 Speaker 1: need to work while you're here. You can't tell every 99 00:04:31,841 --> 00:04:33,481 Speaker 1: guy no, don't take me, don't take me. That's not 100 00:04:33,561 --> 00:04:36,601 Speaker 1: how it works. Come back when you're ready. So I 101 00:04:36,641 --> 00:04:37,681 Speaker 1: came back the next day. 102 00:04:37,961 --> 00:04:41,561 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Wow. But then you don't regret that. 103 00:04:41,601 --> 00:04:44,001 Speaker 2: You never regretted a bit like starting off the way 104 00:04:44,001 --> 00:04:46,281 Speaker 2: you did and just escalated the way I did for 105 00:04:46,401 --> 00:04:48,121 Speaker 2: you. You know what I mean. You don't look back up 106 00:04:48,161 --> 00:04:49,001 Speaker 2: and no regrets for it. 107 00:04:49,481 --> 00:04:51,080 Speaker 1: No. I had no direction at the time. I was 108 00:04:51,121 --> 00:04:54,841 Speaker 1: completely lost, not knowing where to go because I didn't 109 00:04:54,880 --> 00:04:57,121 Speaker 1: finish high school and then I went straight into modeling. 110 00:04:57,161 --> 00:05:00,481 Speaker 1: From there, I did some childcolate working at a dacare center. 111 00:05:00,641 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: But it's not knowing where I wanted to go. But 112 00:05:02,721 --> 00:05:05,521 Speaker 1: I knew this was it, this industry, and it wasn't 113 00:05:05,521 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: so much the money. It was just how I saw 114 00:05:08,361 --> 00:05:10,641 Speaker 1: this girl, how I saw the girls in the industry, 115 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,361 Speaker 1: I saw them as confident. They were more beautiful and 116 00:05:13,401 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 1: more confident than the models that I've ever worked with. 117 00:05:16,041 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 1: Models had such low self esteem, but these strippers just 118 00:05:18,721 --> 00:05:23,361 Speaker 1: had attitude and attitude you develop it over time. 119 00:05:23,801 --> 00:05:27,161 Speaker 2: Yeah, you didn't like like a home practice year. 120 00:05:27,440 --> 00:05:30,001 Speaker 1: No, No, I practice my dancing at home. Yeah, but 121 00:05:30,361 --> 00:05:32,121 Speaker 1: not the attitude. You kind of pick it up over 122 00:05:32,161 --> 00:05:34,681 Speaker 1: time because you need it to protect yourself. Especially there's 123 00:05:34,681 --> 00:05:36,881 Speaker 1: a lot of gronksit coming to the so you need 124 00:05:36,921 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: to be witty and snap back at them. 125 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,521 Speaker 2: So tell me about that. The first time that you 126 00:05:41,561 --> 00:05:43,481 Speaker 2: had to do a dance then, like and you had 127 00:05:43,521 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 2: to get a private like. 128 00:05:45,841 --> 00:05:48,841 Speaker 1: A girl said to me, listen, come on stage with me. 129 00:05:49,161 --> 00:05:51,161 Speaker 1: This girl named Bridget said, come on stage with me. 130 00:05:51,401 --> 00:05:53,041 Speaker 1: Don't look at the guys, look at me. We will 131 00:05:53,081 --> 00:05:55,121 Speaker 1: just focus on each other and dance. And I did 132 00:05:55,121 --> 00:05:57,241 Speaker 1: that for like five seconds, and I was like, oh, 133 00:05:57,281 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: this is cool. The worst slap dance in my whole life. 134 00:06:02,121 --> 00:06:05,401 Speaker 1: I was kind of like freestyle dancing this guy. I thought, 135 00:06:05,401 --> 00:06:07,961 Speaker 1: who is this? And then I thought, oh this is good. 136 00:06:08,361 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 1: I can do this. I got this. So I stayed 137 00:06:11,481 --> 00:06:12,881 Speaker 1: there for a little while. Then I moved on to 138 00:06:13,161 --> 00:06:15,081 Speaker 1: Pure Platinum for a little bit, then Minx I stayed 139 00:06:15,081 --> 00:06:17,761 Speaker 1: there for a while. Who then focused on my pole 140 00:06:17,880 --> 00:06:19,241 Speaker 1: dancing and show girl work. 141 00:06:19,961 --> 00:06:23,361 Speaker 2: Now there's something that I've done a bit of recharge. Yeah, right, 142 00:06:23,961 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 2: you were on Temptation, aren't Yes? 143 00:06:25,481 --> 00:06:25,921 Speaker 1: I was. 144 00:06:26,401 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 2: Was that before or after you started stripping? 145 00:06:29,001 --> 00:06:32,641 Speaker 1: That was before, but I knew how you go from that. 146 00:06:33,841 --> 00:06:37,281 Speaker 2: I'm being so like placid and don't believe in yourself 147 00:06:37,361 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: to go on a show that. 148 00:06:39,401 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 1: Oh I was drunk twenty four to seven on that show. 149 00:06:43,481 --> 00:06:46,440 Speaker 1: I ask anyone who was on that show with me, 150 00:06:46,521 --> 00:06:49,601 Speaker 1: and they'll remember Artessa was so drunk. Now I've developed 151 00:06:49,641 --> 00:06:53,681 Speaker 1: an immunity to I can't drink anymore. I get allergic reaction. 152 00:06:54,281 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 1: But back then I drank so much on that show. 153 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,121 Speaker 1: I was modeling at the time. I did search for 154 00:06:58,161 --> 00:07:01,521 Speaker 1: a supermodel, and then from search for a supermodel, I 155 00:07:01,561 --> 00:07:04,681 Speaker 1: was contacted by a lot of different bits and pieces 156 00:07:05,081 --> 00:07:07,600 Speaker 1: and one of them was Temptation Ireland and I watched 157 00:07:07,601 --> 00:07:09,201 Speaker 1: it on TV and I thought this is going to 158 00:07:09,281 --> 00:07:11,681 Speaker 1: look like fun. So I just went there to have 159 00:07:11,721 --> 00:07:12,801 Speaker 1: a good time and. 160 00:07:14,681 --> 00:07:16,081 Speaker 2: Was what was the reason for you going on there 161 00:07:16,121 --> 00:07:18,441 Speaker 2: was it to open doors or was it just the experience? 162 00:07:19,041 --> 00:07:22,681 Speaker 1: The experience? It was like reality TV back then was 163 00:07:22,721 --> 00:07:24,881 Speaker 1: not as serious as it is now. We could just 164 00:07:25,441 --> 00:07:27,601 Speaker 1: do what we wanted to and have fun and it 165 00:07:27,761 --> 00:07:29,921 Speaker 1: wasn't about views and social media and all of that. 166 00:07:30,801 --> 00:07:31,841 Speaker 1: And it was a free holiday. 167 00:07:33,001 --> 00:07:33,801 Speaker 2: Where was it at the time? 168 00:07:35,601 --> 00:07:38,041 Speaker 1: Okay, and some of us are still friends from that show. 169 00:07:38,161 --> 00:07:41,841 Speaker 2: Yeah, any bad experiences from the from the industry that is, 170 00:07:42,121 --> 00:07:44,281 Speaker 2: like has stayed in your head, like from and you 171 00:07:44,321 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: know you've either gone through or you've seen or you've witnessed, 172 00:07:48,441 --> 00:07:51,881 Speaker 2: or from modeling, not from probably from stripping. 173 00:07:52,241 --> 00:07:56,161 Speaker 1: So many, so many, Oh my goodness, because I know 174 00:07:56,201 --> 00:07:56,521 Speaker 1: a lot. 175 00:07:56,401 --> 00:07:58,721 Speaker 2: Of the girls, like when I was looking after a 176 00:07:58,721 --> 00:08:01,121 Speaker 2: few venues, I know that they get paid and the 177 00:08:01,161 --> 00:08:03,841 Speaker 2: money straight away went onto drugs or alcohol, you know 178 00:08:03,881 --> 00:08:05,801 Speaker 2: what I mean, or a boy friend yeah, or a 179 00:08:05,801 --> 00:08:07,681 Speaker 2: boyfriend yeah. And it was never it was never to 180 00:08:07,761 --> 00:08:10,281 Speaker 2: save and make a goal of themselves. And I don't 181 00:08:10,281 --> 00:08:12,241 Speaker 2: know what the industry's like now, but you know what 182 00:08:12,321 --> 00:08:14,441 Speaker 2: was it? What was your incentive for doing it? 183 00:08:14,801 --> 00:08:18,521 Speaker 1: Oh? My incentive was it was the only industry that 184 00:08:18,561 --> 00:08:21,041 Speaker 1: I thought I could do. Yeah that because I was 185 00:08:21,081 --> 00:08:23,081 Speaker 1: married at the time. I think that time that I 186 00:08:23,081 --> 00:08:26,161 Speaker 1: first met you, I was married and I had was 187 00:08:26,201 --> 00:08:29,321 Speaker 1: in an abusive relationship. This guy wanted everything fifty to fifty. 188 00:08:29,321 --> 00:08:30,761 Speaker 1: Even when I was sick and I had to go 189 00:08:30,761 --> 00:08:33,841 Speaker 1: into hospital, I still left odin money for the bills 190 00:08:33,841 --> 00:08:35,841 Speaker 1: that he was covering. Wow, he was one of those. 191 00:08:35,921 --> 00:08:39,241 Speaker 1: So after a while he had destroyed my ID so 192 00:08:39,321 --> 00:08:41,081 Speaker 1: I couldn't get any other job. So I had to 193 00:08:41,121 --> 00:08:45,601 Speaker 1: say in that industry, wow, and yeah, I thought, Okay, 194 00:08:45,641 --> 00:08:48,761 Speaker 1: this industry, it's gonna support me for the rest of 195 00:08:48,761 --> 00:08:50,841 Speaker 1: my life because I've seen sex workers that are in 196 00:08:50,881 --> 00:08:54,201 Speaker 1: the eighties. I've seen Yeah, there's no cutoff age for it. 197 00:08:54,241 --> 00:08:57,921 Speaker 1: I thought it was the ultimate safetynner. So I stayed 198 00:08:57,921 --> 00:09:00,321 Speaker 1: in that industry. But a lot of stuff I saw, 199 00:09:00,721 --> 00:09:03,121 Speaker 1: and a lot of stuff that I'm trying to speak 200 00:09:03,161 --> 00:09:05,761 Speaker 1: out about now is how girls are treated in venue. 201 00:09:06,161 --> 00:09:11,521 Speaker 1: It's yeah, one venue in particular, take sixty percent commission 202 00:09:12,441 --> 00:09:17,041 Speaker 1: and then girls were actually beaten up by customers, beaten up, 203 00:09:17,481 --> 00:09:20,441 Speaker 1: blood coming down and out of her nose, and the 204 00:09:20,441 --> 00:09:23,441 Speaker 1: guy wasn't banned from the venue when I made a 205 00:09:23,441 --> 00:09:26,401 Speaker 1: complaint about it. She the owner at the time. She 206 00:09:26,521 --> 00:09:28,601 Speaker 1: used to look after the girls, and then her husband 207 00:09:28,601 --> 00:09:31,521 Speaker 1: got caught getting too friendly with the girls on multiple occasions, 208 00:09:31,681 --> 00:09:35,441 Speaker 1: and she turned against us. And then suddenly she was yep, 209 00:09:36,081 --> 00:09:38,241 Speaker 1: whatever happened to us, she was on the customer side. 210 00:09:38,441 --> 00:09:38,881 Speaker 2: Wow. 211 00:09:38,921 --> 00:09:42,001 Speaker 1: So she said, well, us girls were behaving like bogans 212 00:09:42,041 --> 00:09:45,161 Speaker 1: at the time, and that's how the men retaliate. I'm like, dude, 213 00:09:45,161 --> 00:09:47,761 Speaker 1: I was just sitting in my seat. Why is there 214 00:09:47,761 --> 00:09:49,641 Speaker 1: a guy like throwing a chair across the room. Another 215 00:09:49,641 --> 00:09:51,881 Speaker 1: one jumped on stage and poured his champagne over the 216 00:09:52,001 --> 00:09:55,281 Speaker 1: girl stripping, and she was told they told security, don't 217 00:09:55,281 --> 00:10:00,041 Speaker 1: do anything. Security that did do something was fired. Wow, 218 00:10:01,201 --> 00:10:04,801 Speaker 1: we can't ven that was on Pitt Street. 219 00:10:06,681 --> 00:10:09,841 Speaker 2: Okay, there's not many officially, so that wow. 220 00:10:10,081 --> 00:10:12,481 Speaker 1: Really Yeah, And when I looked at the reviews recently, 221 00:10:12,521 --> 00:10:16,321 Speaker 1: it's still going on, and I'm thinking it's not just 222 00:10:16,841 --> 00:10:19,601 Speaker 1: stripping venues. I'm like the industry in general. It's what 223 00:10:19,721 --> 00:10:22,521 Speaker 1: I've noticed. Okay, you've made it legal in Australia, now 224 00:10:22,561 --> 00:10:25,601 Speaker 1: make it safe. Make it safe like every other industry 225 00:10:26,121 --> 00:10:29,321 Speaker 1: needs to be. I think heavily regulated, because it's one 226 00:10:29,441 --> 00:10:33,201 Speaker 1: industry where I'm still I'm shocked. This is Australia and 227 00:10:33,241 --> 00:10:34,481 Speaker 1: you're still treating people like this. 228 00:10:34,961 --> 00:10:36,681 Speaker 2: Did you ever come up against something like that, like 229 00:10:36,721 --> 00:10:39,881 Speaker 2: any situations like that yourself where you were scared and 230 00:10:39,921 --> 00:10:41,561 Speaker 2: you didn't get the help from the venue. 231 00:10:41,361 --> 00:10:44,201 Speaker 1: Or no, or you only in that venue. But when 232 00:10:44,241 --> 00:10:47,681 Speaker 1: I moved to temporary stripping at King's Cross, I dreamed girls. 233 00:10:47,881 --> 00:10:50,801 Speaker 1: I felt so safe. Okay, Michael looked after the girls. 234 00:10:50,801 --> 00:10:53,961 Speaker 1: Michael fought the guys that would try to touch us. 235 00:10:54,001 --> 00:10:57,361 Speaker 1: And I was dating another toxic guy. Michael banned this guy, 236 00:10:57,401 --> 00:10:59,281 Speaker 1: even though the guy tried to take on all the security. 237 00:11:00,081 --> 00:11:03,321 Speaker 1: Michael just stood up for me. Know, if that happened 238 00:11:03,321 --> 00:11:05,921 Speaker 1: at any other venue, they would have yeah, yeah, let 239 00:11:05,961 --> 00:11:06,681 Speaker 1: it slide girls. 240 00:11:07,681 --> 00:11:10,481 Speaker 2: Is there any positives in that kind of industry? That's 241 00:11:10,481 --> 00:11:12,961 Speaker 2: the money, you know, is it? Or is it really 242 00:11:13,001 --> 00:11:14,641 Speaker 2: just all negative? 243 00:11:14,921 --> 00:11:17,721 Speaker 1: I used to say that, Oh no, it's a fun job, 244 00:11:18,121 --> 00:11:20,361 Speaker 1: you get to choose your own hours, it's a you 245 00:11:20,441 --> 00:11:23,681 Speaker 1: got a high earning potential. But if they after a while, 246 00:11:23,761 --> 00:11:26,721 Speaker 1: it's the negative outweighs the positive. The only thing that 247 00:11:26,801 --> 00:11:29,281 Speaker 1: I did have fun in and a good time was 248 00:11:29,281 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: when I moved into b DSM and became a dominatrix. 249 00:11:32,521 --> 00:11:35,921 Speaker 1: After the stripping. That was the good time that I had. 250 00:11:35,961 --> 00:11:39,841 Speaker 1: But after a while, it's just, yeah, like everything that 251 00:11:40,201 --> 00:11:43,121 Speaker 1: the whole industry as a whole is like drugs. It's 252 00:11:43,161 --> 00:11:45,441 Speaker 1: great in the beginning, having fun, and then slowly it 253 00:11:45,481 --> 00:11:46,481 Speaker 1: starts to weigh down. 254 00:11:46,601 --> 00:11:49,361 Speaker 2: Because I've noticed a lot of girls from past and 255 00:11:49,401 --> 00:11:52,961 Speaker 2: even present now of moved from stripping to escorting. Yeah. 256 00:11:53,041 --> 00:11:53,801 Speaker 1: I did that for a while. 257 00:11:53,881 --> 00:11:57,281 Speaker 2: Yea, Well it's and it's weird. I like I remember 258 00:11:57,401 --> 00:11:58,801 Speaker 2: back in the day when I was in the cross, 259 00:11:59,241 --> 00:12:00,801 Speaker 2: escorts and strippers. 260 00:12:00,361 --> 00:12:01,601 Speaker 1: Would hate each other. 261 00:12:01,721 --> 00:12:03,721 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, you don't talk to them, you 262 00:12:03,721 --> 00:12:06,361 Speaker 2: can't talk. We don't want you our venue. But now 263 00:12:06,841 --> 00:12:09,521 Speaker 2: I can see most of them are now switching to 264 00:12:09,641 --> 00:12:10,401 Speaker 2: go to escorting. 265 00:12:10,481 --> 00:12:13,521 Speaker 1: Some of them are just doing both as well. They 266 00:12:13,561 --> 00:12:18,201 Speaker 1: are like the waitresses escorts. They Yeah, now it's a 267 00:12:18,201 --> 00:12:21,761 Speaker 1: big gray area of everyone that's just moving around. You 268 00:12:21,761 --> 00:12:23,401 Speaker 1: want to move where the money is. 269 00:12:23,401 --> 00:12:25,001 Speaker 2: Is that what you did for you or is it 270 00:12:25,041 --> 00:12:27,081 Speaker 2: just like you were over stripping and over. 271 00:12:27,001 --> 00:12:29,761 Speaker 1: Stripping and I was running on fumes and then when 272 00:12:30,321 --> 00:12:32,641 Speaker 1: I decided to, yeah, once and for all, kick my 273 00:12:32,961 --> 00:12:36,121 Speaker 1: ex husband out, and then I moved into just doing 274 00:12:36,161 --> 00:12:38,721 Speaker 1: a couple of pawns, and then it was more what 275 00:12:38,761 --> 00:12:42,401 Speaker 1: the porn was more to get back at him. That 276 00:12:42,521 --> 00:12:44,121 Speaker 1: is what got him out of the house. I'm like, Jesus, 277 00:12:44,121 --> 00:12:45,121 Speaker 1: I should have done this earlier. 278 00:12:48,161 --> 00:12:49,441 Speaker 2: So that was just to get at him. 279 00:12:49,561 --> 00:12:52,641 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I was also seeing a guy that did 280 00:12:53,441 --> 00:12:55,361 Speaker 1: did a couple of videos and I just said to him, listen, 281 00:12:55,401 --> 00:12:57,441 Speaker 1: I just want to do a couple with you. And 282 00:12:57,481 --> 00:13:01,961 Speaker 1: then I remember when he found out as well. I 283 00:13:02,001 --> 00:13:06,121 Speaker 1: was so happy. He came home work angry and then 284 00:13:06,121 --> 00:13:08,201 Speaker 1: he goes Contesta doll and I'm like, yep, that's me. 285 00:13:08,681 --> 00:13:10,721 Speaker 1: And then he goes, yeah, I'm moving out, and I'm 286 00:13:10,761 --> 00:13:13,121 Speaker 1: like finally, yes, Wow. 287 00:13:13,241 --> 00:13:14,921 Speaker 2: So what how did he find out that you were 288 00:13:14,961 --> 00:13:17,521 Speaker 2: doing a porn? How did you make sure it was left. 289 00:13:17,321 --> 00:13:19,561 Speaker 1: On the z or no? I kind of made sure 290 00:13:19,561 --> 00:13:22,201 Speaker 1: it was on social media. I know that my excesstream 291 00:13:22,241 --> 00:13:24,601 Speaker 1: life was a big busy body go through my stuff, 292 00:13:24,641 --> 00:13:27,841 Speaker 1: but everything was out in the open on my social media, okay, 293 00:13:28,001 --> 00:13:30,881 Speaker 1: because he was also openly cheating and bringing girls back 294 00:13:30,881 --> 00:13:33,001 Speaker 1: to our house and stuff, I would find it little. 295 00:13:33,361 --> 00:13:35,281 Speaker 1: Oh really, And I would always tell him they just 296 00:13:35,481 --> 00:13:38,521 Speaker 1: divorced me. You're doing everything but divorce me, Like I 297 00:13:38,561 --> 00:13:41,361 Speaker 1: don't get it. We're destroying my ID. I could survive 298 00:13:41,441 --> 00:13:43,601 Speaker 1: without you, like I'm not surviving with you anyway. 299 00:13:43,801 --> 00:13:48,161 Speaker 2: Wow, that's insane. Okay, Wow was it? Was it only 300 00:13:48,201 --> 00:13:49,961 Speaker 2: how many ponds did you do? Is that just the 301 00:13:50,001 --> 00:13:51,401 Speaker 2: only thing you did just to get back at him? 302 00:13:51,401 --> 00:13:53,321 Speaker 2: And then you started I did or did you enjoy? 303 00:13:53,401 --> 00:13:53,761 Speaker 2: In the end? 304 00:13:54,961 --> 00:13:59,561 Speaker 1: Small boring than modeling? Were really boring, really like, yeah, 305 00:13:59,761 --> 00:14:02,161 Speaker 1: it's like choreographed sex and then they say cut and 306 00:14:02,241 --> 00:14:03,961 Speaker 1: then fix their hair, cut, fix the makeup. 307 00:14:03,961 --> 00:14:07,921 Speaker 2: I was like, come on, just ron freely, it's all stopped. Ah, 308 00:14:08,161 --> 00:14:08,881 Speaker 2: that's disappointment. 309 00:14:09,001 --> 00:14:11,801 Speaker 1: It is really disappointing. It doesn't. I never looked at 310 00:14:11,801 --> 00:14:13,641 Speaker 1: poorn the same way, especially when the girls hair and 311 00:14:13,641 --> 00:14:16,641 Speaker 1: makeup is perfect, you know, and someone's holding your leg 312 00:14:16,681 --> 00:14:20,241 Speaker 1: off to the side because I wasn't that flexible, yea, 313 00:14:20,401 --> 00:14:24,001 Speaker 1: then cameraman trying to get in there, and yeah, it's 314 00:14:24,201 --> 00:14:24,921 Speaker 1: just curry bright. 315 00:14:25,001 --> 00:14:26,841 Speaker 2: No it didn't. It wasn't it was a good moneymaker 316 00:14:26,881 --> 00:14:27,841 Speaker 2: or not a good money maker. 317 00:14:28,041 --> 00:14:31,281 Speaker 1: No, it wasn't really a good moneymaker, especially in Australia. 318 00:14:31,321 --> 00:14:33,161 Speaker 1: And I did have offers to go overseas, and I 319 00:14:33,201 --> 00:14:35,481 Speaker 1: did have people from overseas coming to film with me. 320 00:14:35,841 --> 00:14:38,081 Speaker 1: But because I didn't have idea, I couldn't film overseas 321 00:14:39,361 --> 00:14:41,241 Speaker 1: at all. But I did have a lot of offers 322 00:14:41,321 --> 00:14:43,881 Speaker 1: and being asked, even by Lisa Ann herself, and then 323 00:14:43,921 --> 00:14:47,001 Speaker 1: Marcus London came to film with me over here, so 324 00:14:47,201 --> 00:14:50,081 Speaker 1: I did have the opportunity to go, but yeah, I 325 00:14:50,121 --> 00:14:50,881 Speaker 1: just couldn't take it. 326 00:14:51,201 --> 00:14:55,921 Speaker 2: Wow, someone who was so at a young age didn't 327 00:14:55,921 --> 00:14:57,961 Speaker 2: think they were pretty or good enough to do something. 328 00:14:58,201 --> 00:15:02,121 Speaker 2: You just went hell forver, like it's like, you know 329 00:15:02,201 --> 00:15:04,201 Speaker 2: what's on this, but I think I must have been 330 00:15:04,201 --> 00:15:07,121 Speaker 2: that girl from It just opened up the whole doors 331 00:15:07,121 --> 00:15:08,441 Speaker 2: for you to just say, you know what, you are 332 00:15:08,481 --> 00:15:09,001 Speaker 2: good enough? 333 00:15:09,241 --> 00:15:09,961 Speaker 1: Yeah? 334 00:15:10,001 --> 00:15:11,881 Speaker 2: Wow? So what was it like when you went to 335 00:15:12,241 --> 00:15:16,161 Speaker 2: you left stripping to go to escorting. Yeah. 336 00:15:16,201 --> 00:15:18,161 Speaker 1: Yeah. I did a bit of pawn in between that 337 00:15:18,961 --> 00:15:20,481 Speaker 1: I was only meant to do like one or two, 338 00:15:20,521 --> 00:15:23,001 Speaker 1: but then they kept filming me going oh you should, 339 00:15:23,081 --> 00:15:26,401 Speaker 1: I mean asking me up to other stuff. So okay, 340 00:15:26,401 --> 00:15:27,841 Speaker 1: it's a bit of a moneymaker on the side, but 341 00:15:27,881 --> 00:15:29,961 Speaker 1: it wasn't a lot. But then I just needed the 342 00:15:29,961 --> 00:15:32,801 Speaker 1: money from escorting because my exit left and I'm paying 343 00:15:32,881 --> 00:15:35,201 Speaker 1: the rent of two people and I can't move into 344 00:15:35,201 --> 00:15:38,681 Speaker 1: a smaller house once again, no id, So I just 345 00:15:38,721 --> 00:15:40,841 Speaker 1: needed that money. In the meantime, I didn't stay there 346 00:15:40,921 --> 00:15:43,881 Speaker 1: very long before it's BDSM that came calling. 347 00:15:44,401 --> 00:15:47,681 Speaker 2: Really so with the escort was up privately or working 348 00:15:47,681 --> 00:15:48,241 Speaker 2: from brothel? 349 00:15:48,521 --> 00:15:51,681 Speaker 1: Was I was working from an agency? 350 00:15:51,281 --> 00:15:51,601 Speaker 2: Okay? 351 00:15:52,121 --> 00:15:55,041 Speaker 1: It just wasn't for me in one way. I missed 352 00:15:55,081 --> 00:15:57,521 Speaker 1: the being around a bunch of girls in a strip club, 353 00:15:58,321 --> 00:15:59,921 Speaker 1: but at the same time the money was. 354 00:15:59,881 --> 00:16:02,041 Speaker 2: Just you never got scared going to j oh. 355 00:16:02,081 --> 00:16:03,881 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course there was a lot of times I thought, oh, 356 00:16:03,921 --> 00:16:06,281 Speaker 1: this could be the last time, and I would call 357 00:16:06,401 --> 00:16:10,681 Speaker 1: up a friend to say after So what came calling 358 00:16:10,721 --> 00:16:11,081 Speaker 1: after that? 359 00:16:11,601 --> 00:16:11,761 Speaker 2: Oh? 360 00:16:11,801 --> 00:16:17,121 Speaker 1: BDSM. BDSM was always there. Yeah. Yeah. It was from 361 00:16:17,201 --> 00:16:20,641 Speaker 1: reading books from the Marquis Desa, you know, the grandfather 362 00:16:20,681 --> 00:16:23,921 Speaker 1: of BDSM, and being so disgusted by those books and 363 00:16:23,961 --> 00:16:26,001 Speaker 1: I could not finish them at all. Is like a 364 00:16:26,041 --> 00:16:28,841 Speaker 1: train wreck, you just can't look away. And then going 365 00:16:28,921 --> 00:16:32,081 Speaker 1: people are really into this stuff, like serious, and then 366 00:16:32,161 --> 00:16:36,401 Speaker 1: even researching and just yeah, I don't know why. It 367 00:16:36,481 --> 00:16:38,761 Speaker 1: called me so strong. And then I met a guy 368 00:16:38,801 --> 00:16:41,481 Speaker 1: who was like a master that kind of showed me 369 00:16:41,761 --> 00:16:43,761 Speaker 1: the ropes train me. I worked as a sub for 370 00:16:43,801 --> 00:16:46,241 Speaker 1: a year and then he said you should be a dominatrix. 371 00:16:46,281 --> 00:16:47,761 Speaker 1: He'd be so good at it, and I said, I'd 372 00:16:47,761 --> 00:16:49,601 Speaker 1: love to. Oh my goodness, he got me a job 373 00:16:49,641 --> 00:16:50,561 Speaker 1: at my first venue. 374 00:16:50,721 --> 00:16:52,561 Speaker 2: So what did you have to go through like to 375 00:16:52,561 --> 00:16:54,401 Speaker 2: be one of them? Like is a training or is 376 00:16:54,441 --> 00:16:56,001 Speaker 2: you've got to be accepted by Yeah. 377 00:16:55,841 --> 00:16:57,441 Speaker 1: I had a bit of training from when I was 378 00:16:57,441 --> 00:17:00,321 Speaker 1: working as not working, but I was. We had a 379 00:17:00,321 --> 00:17:03,561 Speaker 1: bit of fun just doing sub work and seeing how 380 00:17:03,601 --> 00:17:06,161 Speaker 1: much pain I can tolerate. And yeah, I would asking 381 00:17:06,241 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: people into this, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, even worse than you. 382 00:17:10,120 --> 00:17:11,801 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I had the sex slave on here. But 383 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,921 Speaker 2: that's this is totally different like that. And he was amazed. 384 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 2: He was like a sex slave to some owner and 385 00:17:17,521 --> 00:17:19,080 Speaker 2: slept in a cage. But you didn't go that far, 386 00:17:19,201 --> 00:17:19,561 Speaker 2: did you? Like? 387 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:21,961 Speaker 1: It wasn't like, yeah, I got to go home after 388 00:17:22,281 --> 00:17:22,561 Speaker 1: you did? 389 00:17:22,681 --> 00:17:25,321 Speaker 2: You didn't, okay, But what kind of pain would you like? 390 00:17:25,761 --> 00:17:28,001 Speaker 2: Would you get pain or would you give the pain? 391 00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:32,241 Speaker 1: Give and take? I would switch, But when later when 392 00:17:32,241 --> 00:17:35,240 Speaker 1: I worked as a dominatrix, no, I was just full dominatrix. 393 00:17:35,201 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 1: Why it be once in a while would allow myself 394 00:17:36,921 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 1: to get whipped. 395 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:40,361 Speaker 2: But I was whipped and was just the final show 396 00:17:40,400 --> 00:17:42,281 Speaker 2: and nothing else, like, there's no other pain. That's the 397 00:17:42,321 --> 00:17:43,561 Speaker 2: most pain you got whipped. 398 00:17:43,761 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: The electricity, of course. 399 00:17:45,321 --> 00:17:48,481 Speaker 2: Electricity. Yeah, what do you mean by let you see? 400 00:17:48,801 --> 00:17:51,240 Speaker 1: I used to attach little stuff to me? 401 00:17:51,681 --> 00:17:52,281 Speaker 2: Really yeah. 402 00:17:53,041 --> 00:17:53,880 Speaker 1: It was was that. 403 00:17:53,961 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 2: To get them off or to just would you get. 404 00:17:56,281 --> 00:18:00,561 Speaker 1: That private life? Really yeah, And this is when the 405 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: guys were not there at the time, so I'd be 406 00:18:02,681 --> 00:18:06,201 Speaker 1: connecting it to me and just going higher and higher. 407 00:18:06,281 --> 00:18:08,600 Speaker 1: You know. It's almost like how the emos cut themselves 408 00:18:08,801 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: to feel That's almost what it was like. Because I 409 00:18:11,521 --> 00:18:14,840 Speaker 1: was on so much medication at the time, had depression 410 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: developing over the time, and the amount of medication that 411 00:18:17,921 --> 00:18:20,521 Speaker 1: I was on was even part of my name. Contessa 412 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:23,201 Speaker 1: doll Dollars, you know, is another name for hills, So 413 00:18:23,481 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: that's what my name came from. I was on so 414 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,561 Speaker 1: much meds, tranquilizers and antidepressants, and that I couldn't feel 415 00:18:29,561 --> 00:18:30,321 Speaker 1: pain after a while. 416 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,281 Speaker 2: But you're also saying that you because you were on 417 00:18:32,321 --> 00:18:34,081 Speaker 2: so much meds that you didn't know what you were 418 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:35,281 Speaker 2: doing sometimes. 419 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:36,801 Speaker 1: You know, No, No, I was very coherent. I knew 420 00:18:37,001 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: exactly what I was doing but I just couldn't electricity. 421 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,041 Speaker 2: Yeah, how you get off on that? 422 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,761 Speaker 1: It was just there's a gets to a point of 423 00:18:44,921 --> 00:18:46,321 Speaker 1: pain where it becomes euphoric. 424 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 2: What the fuck? 425 00:18:50,441 --> 00:18:52,760 Speaker 1: And that's what a lot of these men are chasing. 426 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 1: Is that euphoric feeling of pain. 427 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, but you're asking for the pain. I thought you 428 00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:57,561 Speaker 2: were giving it. 429 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:59,561 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm giving it, but I'm also from my. 430 00:19:00,120 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: What's the worst pain you gave someone? 431 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,880 Speaker 1: I've got videos if you want to see the video, 432 00:19:05,880 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 1: I still got the video, like if I ever want 433 00:19:08,600 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: to write a book. At least one guy came there 434 00:19:12,761 --> 00:19:16,280 Speaker 1: and he was a sex addict and he needed the 435 00:19:16,321 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 1: pain and he wanted his private area electrocuted. So I 436 00:19:21,721 --> 00:19:24,761 Speaker 1: would attach pads to his balls and put a rod 437 00:19:24,761 --> 00:19:28,360 Speaker 1: inside his urethra. Say again, yeah, a rod, yeah, in 438 00:19:28,481 --> 00:19:31,321 Speaker 1: the sounding rod inside his urethra, and I would just 439 00:19:31,400 --> 00:19:33,321 Speaker 1: toast the hell out of him, and I swear it 440 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,401 Speaker 1: used to smell it bacon in that room. Afterwards, when 441 00:19:35,400 --> 00:19:37,441 Speaker 1: I was done with him, and this guy would get 442 00:19:37,481 --> 00:19:38,481 Speaker 1: off on it and ejaculate. 443 00:19:38,521 --> 00:19:39,440 Speaker 2: How long would you do that for? 444 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:41,361 Speaker 1: Like how until he ejaculated? 445 00:19:41,521 --> 00:19:44,321 Speaker 2: Which would be what? Like how long you're talking? 446 00:19:44,801 --> 00:19:48,801 Speaker 1: Session was like an hour. What the fuck like this guy? 447 00:19:49,041 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 1: It turned purple after a while, it turned into a 448 00:19:51,441 --> 00:19:55,920 Speaker 1: giant and a lot of men. 449 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:56,761 Speaker 2: He walks away happy. 450 00:19:57,201 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, really, they all walked away really happy. That's what 451 00:20:00,441 --> 00:20:03,441 Speaker 1: he's come for, Yes, to be hurt, because a lot 452 00:20:03,481 --> 00:20:06,561 Speaker 1: of these men are so wealthy that sex doesn't turn 453 00:20:06,561 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: them on anymore. And they would tell me sex doesn't 454 00:20:08,441 --> 00:20:10,481 Speaker 1: turn me on. Women don't turn me on because they've 455 00:20:10,481 --> 00:20:13,401 Speaker 1: lived this high dopamine life that only pain gets them off. 456 00:20:13,441 --> 00:20:15,521 Speaker 2: Now are these normal people like that? Yeah? 457 00:20:15,561 --> 00:20:17,481 Speaker 1: You would not even make talking. 458 00:20:17,241 --> 00:20:18,801 Speaker 2: Like lawyers and doctors and sharp. 459 00:20:18,761 --> 00:20:20,761 Speaker 1: And one pastor not past up with a priest. 460 00:20:21,281 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 2: Really. 461 00:20:21,681 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, he couldn't have sex, of course, so he thought 462 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: the loophole was to get pain. Yes, what was his pain? Oh? 463 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,001 Speaker 1: He was into everything perverted. 464 00:20:32,201 --> 00:20:37,521 Speaker 2: Yeah, perverted? Yeah, yeah, but he was Oh my god. 465 00:20:38,041 --> 00:20:39,921 Speaker 1: He also had a I don't want to. 466 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,080 Speaker 2: The speech. 467 00:20:44,281 --> 00:20:48,521 Speaker 1: He had a what he was branded by another dominatrix 468 00:20:48,521 --> 00:20:51,721 Speaker 1: on his penis really in his own country. He was 469 00:20:51,761 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: from overseas and she branded her initials into his penis. 470 00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:59,041 Speaker 1: Oh my, so it was property of so and so 471 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: in there. Wow, And I just kept thinking, dude, go 472 00:21:03,761 --> 00:21:06,281 Speaker 1: have sex to kill yourself. 473 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:14,201 Speaker 2: Kathleen was Jesus. I want him on the podcast too. 474 00:21:14,441 --> 00:21:16,281 Speaker 1: He actually cried the day that he had to go back. 475 00:21:16,321 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: I remember came to visit me at work and he 476 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,201 Speaker 1: was holding on to me crying, I'm going to miss 477 00:21:20,201 --> 00:21:22,641 Speaker 1: you so much. I'm like you, Jesus. 478 00:21:23,201 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 2: Sounds like you really enjoyed it. Oh. 479 00:21:25,241 --> 00:21:28,080 Speaker 1: I did for a while. It next made me see 480 00:21:28,281 --> 00:21:29,561 Speaker 1: human nature in a different way. 481 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:31,801 Speaker 2: Did you like giving the pain? Well? Did you like 482 00:21:31,840 --> 00:21:34,281 Speaker 2: pain or giving it or taking it? What was the 483 00:21:34,321 --> 00:21:34,680 Speaker 2: best for you? 484 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:37,841 Speaker 1: Oh? Of course giving? Does he kind of really get 485 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,201 Speaker 1: to know the person? Yeah? 486 00:21:39,281 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: No, But it's watching them suffer. I don't know if 487 00:21:41,761 --> 00:21:42,321 Speaker 2: I could do that. 488 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:46,241 Speaker 1: Some of them. The thing is with BDSM, you only 489 00:21:46,241 --> 00:21:49,961 Speaker 1: stop when they say mercy okay, and it's discussed beforehands 490 00:21:50,001 --> 00:21:51,680 Speaker 1: Like a lot of guys would say, don't touch my 491 00:21:51,721 --> 00:21:54,761 Speaker 1: penis because it'll turn me off, And then you cannot 492 00:21:55,441 --> 00:21:58,281 Speaker 1: break those boundaries at all if he says, yeah, stop, 493 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,680 Speaker 1: leave me alone, don't help don't because I did that 494 00:22:01,721 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 1: once because I thought the guy was really really unhappy, 495 00:22:04,561 --> 00:22:08,001 Speaker 1: and then he lost it at me. Yeah, he said 496 00:22:08,001 --> 00:22:10,521 Speaker 1: I didn't say mercy, did I? Okay? I've ruined the 497 00:22:10,521 --> 00:22:11,721 Speaker 1: mood and everything, so. 498 00:22:11,761 --> 00:22:15,081 Speaker 2: He wanted to keep going. What were you doing to him? 499 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 2: Can you remember? 500 00:22:16,441 --> 00:22:19,441 Speaker 1: I think it was a fisting session, which was so. 501 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:27,881 Speaker 2: Fisting yeah, which was yeah the back side. Yeah, what 502 00:22:27,921 --> 00:22:30,201 Speaker 2: the men doing the fisting? That's what the sex leaves 503 00:22:30,241 --> 00:22:30,561 Speaker 2: said to. 504 00:22:30,481 --> 00:22:33,241 Speaker 1: Me too, I'm telling you. In BD s M, every 505 00:22:33,321 --> 00:22:37,001 Speaker 1: second guy wanted an anal session. Every second guy would 506 00:22:37,041 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: come there and say they want something in their ars. 507 00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:41,801 Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, really, you put your fist off their fist, 508 00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:47,241 Speaker 1: finger toys, everything, anal hawks, the works, your fist to 509 00:22:47,441 --> 00:22:52,321 Speaker 1: my elbow? You want to see the video? 510 00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: Oh my god? Wow? Like I had to get promote 511 00:22:58,640 --> 00:23:01,880 Speaker 2: the episode with that. With that video, I. 512 00:23:01,761 --> 00:23:04,281 Speaker 1: Had gloves you know for the hows that you get 513 00:23:04,321 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: from the yeah, but they used for the cows when 514 00:23:07,201 --> 00:23:09,241 Speaker 1: they Yeah, I had those. 515 00:23:09,041 --> 00:23:12,001 Speaker 2: And it went up to your elbow. Yes, how the 516 00:23:12,041 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 2: fuck can you get our way? Oh? 517 00:23:14,120 --> 00:23:17,041 Speaker 1: Well, I could show you the video. I didn't hold back. 518 00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: This guy had a lot put up there, and a 519 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,801 Speaker 1: lot of guys needed that as well, Like I didn't 520 00:23:22,801 --> 00:23:25,561 Speaker 1: think someone needed it, and a lot of there was 521 00:23:25,721 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: a few guys. I'm not laughing, I'm not shaming them 522 00:23:28,761 --> 00:23:32,721 Speaker 1: that were born with an inverted penis, which means it's 523 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: facing inside the body and they can't really get off, 524 00:23:36,281 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: they can't really have sex, so you had to go 525 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,721 Speaker 1: from inside there aus fucking. 526 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:47,361 Speaker 2: Hell when the fucking cand of Williams. Wow, because I'm 527 00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,160 Speaker 2: just it's funny you're saying all this because I've just 528 00:23:49,201 --> 00:23:53,001 Speaker 2: got an invitation because of the Sex Live episode that 529 00:23:53,041 --> 00:23:56,481 Speaker 2: I did in Melbourne. They've reached out to me now 530 00:23:56,681 --> 00:23:59,400 Speaker 2: and I can go into a fetish house. Okay, And 531 00:23:59,441 --> 00:24:00,961 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm going in for here because 532 00:24:01,001 --> 00:24:02,801 Speaker 2: they says they they'll come on the podcast to do 533 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,321 Speaker 2: an interview. But what is the fucking fetish house? Have 534 00:24:05,321 --> 00:24:07,561 Speaker 2: you ever been to one? What's a fetish house? 535 00:24:08,481 --> 00:24:12,041 Speaker 1: Just a lot of different toys around. Everyone's kind of 536 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 1: a yeah one, yes, been to a lot of fetish parties, 537 00:24:16,481 --> 00:24:18,400 Speaker 1: fetish houses, dungeons. 538 00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 2: Wow, you look so sweetening this and. 539 00:24:22,921 --> 00:24:25,241 Speaker 1: So do a lot of dominatrixes outside of work. You 540 00:24:25,281 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't think that sweet old granny that was walking into 541 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: the building was actually one of the fiercest dominatrixes out there. 542 00:24:31,801 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: I think what you needed to be a dominatrix. 543 00:24:34,241 --> 00:24:37,721 Speaker 2: Is not when someone's personality really comes out, is he. 544 00:24:38,001 --> 00:24:40,761 Speaker 1: From what I was told by the owner of the place, 545 00:24:40,801 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: the best dominatrixes have empathy because they can read a 546 00:24:43,441 --> 00:24:45,920 Speaker 1: situation and they know when to stop, pull back or 547 00:24:45,961 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: two you kind of a psychopath doing the job, because 548 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,880 Speaker 1: they would kill the person. So you've got to know 549 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:54,400 Speaker 1: what amount of pressure to use, or when to stop, 550 00:24:54,481 --> 00:24:56,880 Speaker 1: or when to go harder. So I think that's what 551 00:24:58,001 --> 00:25:00,360 Speaker 1: just towards the end, I got very popular because I 552 00:25:00,481 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: knew how to use that. I had a lot of 553 00:25:03,441 --> 00:25:06,120 Speaker 1: repeat clients as well. They would always come back every week. 554 00:25:06,761 --> 00:25:09,761 Speaker 2: I can see how much like you're trying to keep 555 00:25:09,761 --> 00:25:13,801 Speaker 2: the smile, but you have much you enjoyed it, but 556 00:25:14,961 --> 00:25:17,721 Speaker 2: how can you like surely then how can you beat 557 00:25:17,761 --> 00:25:20,401 Speaker 2: that if you're into all this kind of stuff and 558 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 2: sexual wise, Really, to me, sex wouldn't do it for you. 559 00:25:27,001 --> 00:25:29,400 Speaker 1: I wasn't having sex after you went, so. 560 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,281 Speaker 2: There's no sex. He was just beat it like campaign, 561 00:25:32,441 --> 00:25:32,721 Speaker 2: that's it. 562 00:25:32,921 --> 00:25:35,880 Speaker 1: A lot of guys that want that. It's very rarely 563 00:25:36,001 --> 00:25:38,920 Speaker 1: that someone would want full service afterwards. If they wanted it, 564 00:25:38,961 --> 00:25:42,480 Speaker 1: they wanted it. If they yeah, they pay extra, but 565 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,001 Speaker 1: a lot it was just even in my private life 566 00:25:46,041 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: I was going home alone. Maybe once in a while 567 00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:50,881 Speaker 1: I just see a guy that I was filming with. 568 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:53,561 Speaker 1: But other than that, no, it was. 569 00:25:53,681 --> 00:25:55,201 Speaker 2: You miss that. Do you miss it or you don't 570 00:25:55,241 --> 00:25:55,600 Speaker 2: miss it? 571 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: Just being around people and getting to know them like that, 572 00:25:59,201 --> 00:26:02,840 Speaker 1: because I really got to understand men in a different way, 573 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,041 Speaker 1: like they biggest, most scary yes men would come there 574 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: and just let the mask slip and just tell me 575 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,360 Speaker 1: this is why I'm getting it done. This is why 576 00:26:10,360 --> 00:26:11,241 Speaker 1: I need to get it done. 577 00:26:11,961 --> 00:26:14,681 Speaker 2: I couldn't like I can't even picchu it, like yeah, 578 00:26:14,721 --> 00:26:20,481 Speaker 2: to me, maybe I'm just fucking borantorant. I just don't. Yeah, 579 00:26:20,521 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 2: Like that's just a new will to me that, you 580 00:26:22,201 --> 00:26:22,961 Speaker 2: know what I mean, Like. 581 00:26:22,921 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: It's wow, I just after I was never one of 582 00:26:26,521 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 1: those little you know, those dominatrixes that just give them 583 00:26:29,281 --> 00:26:30,680 Speaker 1: a bit of a smack on the bomb and say 584 00:26:30,721 --> 00:26:33,521 Speaker 1: you nady boy. I got into the hardcore no degree. 585 00:26:33,921 --> 00:26:35,721 Speaker 1: Worst of the worst was. 586 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:37,881 Speaker 2: It was it a bit like before you ever did 587 00:26:37,921 --> 00:26:41,161 Speaker 2: it and you did your first want, were you kind 588 00:26:41,201 --> 00:26:43,561 Speaker 2: of like nervous to do it or you were just yes. 589 00:26:43,681 --> 00:26:47,321 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they just said okay, this guy's into cock 590 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,121 Speaker 1: and bull torture. 591 00:26:48,961 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 2: Bull torture. 592 00:26:49,721 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I had to go in there and I 593 00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: was like, okay, yeah, now what so what did you 594 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: have to do for cock and bull torture? I just 595 00:26:57,681 --> 00:26:59,561 Speaker 1: I did not know what to do. I tried a 596 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,041 Speaker 1: moose around his penis. I kicked him between the legs. 597 00:27:02,201 --> 00:27:03,401 Speaker 2: What you kicked him? 598 00:27:03,481 --> 00:27:04,561 Speaker 1: Yeah? A few times? 599 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:06,521 Speaker 2: You actually kicked him. How hard you talk? 600 00:27:06,561 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: We talk quite a few times. 601 00:27:08,321 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what he wanted to do, kip me 602 00:27:09,961 --> 00:27:10,281 Speaker 2: in the ball. 603 00:27:10,521 --> 00:27:12,481 Speaker 1: And later on I realized there's more that I could 604 00:27:12,521 --> 00:27:15,601 Speaker 1: have done, Like what, oh, there's weights I could have used, 605 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,321 Speaker 1: I could have used the sounding rods, I could have 606 00:27:17,921 --> 00:27:19,521 Speaker 1: done anything else electrically. 607 00:27:19,721 --> 00:27:21,880 Speaker 2: You have the run of the thing to do what 608 00:27:21,921 --> 00:27:22,801 Speaker 2: you want to give him pain. 609 00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. Later on, when I worked at another establishment because 610 00:27:26,360 --> 00:27:28,721 Speaker 1: that one closed down, and straight away this other establishment 611 00:27:28,761 --> 00:27:34,000 Speaker 1: said we need you here because my clients, hell, because 612 00:27:34,041 --> 00:27:36,321 Speaker 1: we have these sorts of men that are coming here 613 00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:39,601 Speaker 1: and owning the services and we don't can't find a dominatrix. 614 00:27:39,681 --> 00:27:42,281 Speaker 1: At the time, I was I didn't look like a 615 00:27:42,321 --> 00:27:43,321 Speaker 1: standard dominatrix. 616 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:43,880 Speaker 2: No, you don't. 617 00:27:45,001 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: Most of them were. Most of them were scary, and 618 00:27:48,001 --> 00:27:50,281 Speaker 1: I kind of had the little glimmer girl thing going on. 619 00:27:50,681 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: So I came and worked today, and then I would 620 00:27:53,241 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 1: speak to the guys first and say, okay, what do 621 00:27:55,041 --> 00:27:57,201 Speaker 1: you want and how hard do you want it? And 622 00:27:57,241 --> 00:27:59,081 Speaker 1: I make them point to the equipment that they want 623 00:27:59,120 --> 00:27:59,401 Speaker 1: to use. 624 00:27:59,761 --> 00:28:01,241 Speaker 2: Are we talking suit people? 625 00:28:01,281 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 1: Here? 626 00:28:01,441 --> 00:28:02,521 Speaker 2: By England suits? 627 00:28:02,761 --> 00:28:07,441 Speaker 1: And even grandma and grandpa no came. Oh, they were 628 00:28:07,681 --> 00:28:09,960 Speaker 1: just this sweet couple that came in and they. 629 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:14,921 Speaker 2: They can't be hitting each other, surely with paint. 630 00:28:13,761 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 1: Whip that had her name engraved into it, so when 631 00:28:18,120 --> 00:28:20,561 Speaker 1: her name would be all over his body after they 632 00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,001 Speaker 1: had all their stuff custom made, and she was getting 633 00:28:23,001 --> 00:28:28,041 Speaker 1: too old with arthritis to hit him anymore, so she 634 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,080 Speaker 1: said he had to, like she brought him there. He 635 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,801 Speaker 1: was really nervous. She said, well, mistress contested, all can 636 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,121 Speaker 1: help you out? And she sat and she watched, and. 637 00:28:37,201 --> 00:28:39,001 Speaker 2: How could you do that to smort old guy? You 638 00:28:39,041 --> 00:28:40,720 Speaker 2: can't really hear that old guy? Can? Yes? 639 00:28:40,801 --> 00:28:41,081 Speaker 1: I can? 640 00:28:41,521 --> 00:28:43,841 Speaker 2: Oh could you of course? But you're old? 641 00:28:44,081 --> 00:28:45,281 Speaker 1: Oh he was fine. 642 00:28:47,081 --> 00:28:49,321 Speaker 2: You didn't go too hard on him when. 643 00:28:49,521 --> 00:28:51,561 Speaker 1: I always tell them how hard. And I can also 644 00:28:52,161 --> 00:28:54,641 Speaker 1: hit people without leaving marks. I can tenderize the skin. 645 00:28:54,721 --> 00:28:56,841 Speaker 1: I can, and they'd be fine to go to work afterwards. 646 00:28:59,121 --> 00:29:00,521 Speaker 2: Did you ever see any of them out of work? 647 00:29:01,041 --> 00:29:02,481 Speaker 2: You would walk past anyone and just go. 648 00:29:02,601 --> 00:29:05,921 Speaker 1: Oh no, maybe just one I saw when I was 649 00:29:05,921 --> 00:29:08,041 Speaker 1: getting my nails done, but he pretended he didn't see me. 650 00:29:08,441 --> 00:29:12,161 Speaker 2: Wow, test, Like you just look so innocent, innocent. 651 00:29:12,281 --> 00:29:13,841 Speaker 1: Yeah. 652 00:29:14,441 --> 00:29:14,921 Speaker 2: Wow. 653 00:29:15,401 --> 00:29:17,121 Speaker 1: A lot of people are shocked that I was a dominatrix, 654 00:29:17,161 --> 00:29:18,081 Speaker 1: and I tell them. 655 00:29:18,041 --> 00:29:19,641 Speaker 2: Well, I'm shocked because I didn't know. 656 00:29:19,641 --> 00:29:21,601 Speaker 1: That that was the biggest part of my career, was 657 00:29:21,641 --> 00:29:25,121 Speaker 1: being a dominatrix. Yeah. Yeah, because you don't. 658 00:29:25,401 --> 00:29:28,401 Speaker 2: Like, I know, I remember when you used to work 659 00:29:28,401 --> 00:29:31,721 Speaker 2: at Minksnore like that, but not from like I wouldn't 660 00:29:31,721 --> 00:29:36,001 Speaker 2: have thought like that. Like that's just like insane. When 661 00:29:36,001 --> 00:29:37,401 Speaker 2: I look at you now, it's like he looks this 662 00:29:37,441 --> 00:29:42,041 Speaker 2: sweet and innocent person. It's like, what the fuck? So 663 00:29:42,081 --> 00:29:43,041 Speaker 2: what made you get out. 664 00:29:42,881 --> 00:29:46,921 Speaker 1: In during COVID lockdown? It was I was steady working, 665 00:29:47,001 --> 00:29:50,681 Speaker 1: I was so busy, and then COVID lockdown happened and 666 00:29:50,721 --> 00:29:55,081 Speaker 1: it was like wow end and then I couldn't get 667 00:29:55,121 --> 00:29:58,480 Speaker 1: access to government funds. I couldn't I couldn't pay like 668 00:29:58,561 --> 00:29:59,801 Speaker 1: my rent and my bills, and I had to go 669 00:29:59,841 --> 00:30:02,601 Speaker 1: through all my savings on expensive rent and bills and stuff, 670 00:30:03,041 --> 00:30:06,041 Speaker 1: and yeah, that's when I was so I had to think, 671 00:30:06,321 --> 00:30:08,601 Speaker 1: this is really what I want to do, Like i'd 672 00:30:08,641 --> 00:30:11,281 Speaker 1: be looking at families, going I didn't have a family 673 00:30:12,201 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: wanted Yeah, but then I had to marry this gronk 674 00:30:14,961 --> 00:30:19,081 Speaker 1: and things completely changed. And then I just around that 675 00:30:19,481 --> 00:30:21,401 Speaker 1: my cat died and my best friend died within the 676 00:30:21,401 --> 00:30:23,361 Speaker 1: same month, and that was it. I was like, no, 677 00:30:23,521 --> 00:30:25,561 Speaker 1: I don't want any part of this because my friend 678 00:30:25,641 --> 00:30:27,841 Speaker 1: was on the same amount of medication as me, and 679 00:30:27,921 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: we had to go for when you're on that amount 680 00:30:30,201 --> 00:30:32,121 Speaker 1: of medication, you have to go for constant blood tests 681 00:30:32,161 --> 00:30:34,121 Speaker 1: to see that it's not too high. And just one 682 00:30:34,161 --> 00:30:36,361 Speaker 1: day she didn't wake up, and I thought, that's it. 683 00:30:36,361 --> 00:30:40,001 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go like that. Yeah, this girl 684 00:30:40,041 --> 00:30:42,681 Speaker 1: had a lot to live for. This girl was amazing 685 00:30:43,321 --> 00:30:46,881 Speaker 1: and just being like even her funeral, her parents will 686 00:30:47,001 --> 00:30:49,361 Speaker 1: just like, no, no heads saw nothing. That's it into 687 00:30:49,401 --> 00:30:51,601 Speaker 1: the ground with you. So I thought. I was crying 688 00:30:51,601 --> 00:30:53,161 Speaker 1: at the funeral to one of my friends and I said, 689 00:30:53,161 --> 00:30:54,561 Speaker 1: I'm not going to go like this. I'm not going 690 00:30:54,601 --> 00:30:56,601 Speaker 1: to go like this. So that's when I decided I 691 00:30:56,641 --> 00:30:59,881 Speaker 1: need to get off this medication slowly, slowly, and I 692 00:30:59,921 --> 00:31:01,641 Speaker 1: was getting the worst thing you can get off is 693 00:31:01,681 --> 00:31:05,841 Speaker 1: those antidepressants. It's just the worst feeling. And then also 694 00:31:05,961 --> 00:31:09,201 Speaker 1: having to go to an awards ceremony as well, when 695 00:31:09,201 --> 00:31:12,441 Speaker 1: I was coming down off stuff and even winning. My God, 696 00:31:13,001 --> 00:31:16,081 Speaker 1: when I was coming down everything best fettish fantasy. 697 00:31:18,721 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 2: What was the best fetis fantastic? What was it? 698 00:31:20,521 --> 00:31:22,361 Speaker 1: Basic? Obedia Sam, Oh my god. 699 00:31:25,241 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: Do you think the meds that the meds you were 700 00:31:27,841 --> 00:31:30,641 Speaker 2: using them because of being in the industry or was 701 00:31:30,241 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 2: it because of your. 702 00:31:31,281 --> 00:31:35,401 Speaker 1: Ex I think it was just everything leading up because 703 00:31:35,441 --> 00:31:37,401 Speaker 1: I went one day to the When I went to 704 00:31:37,401 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: the doctor the first time, I said, listen, I just 705 00:31:39,241 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: this was another friend's funeral. I've been to a lot 706 00:31:41,201 --> 00:31:43,641 Speaker 1: of funerals in that industry. I said, listen, I need 707 00:31:43,681 --> 00:31:46,761 Speaker 1: to work still, and I can't because I just yeah. 708 00:31:46,801 --> 00:31:49,441 Speaker 1: And then they recommended that, and from the side effects 709 00:31:49,441 --> 00:31:51,321 Speaker 1: so that they recommended something else, and from the side 710 00:31:51,361 --> 00:31:54,361 Speaker 1: effects so that they recommend something else, which then I 711 00:31:54,401 --> 00:31:56,721 Speaker 1: was on way so much stuff, more stuff that I 712 00:31:56,721 --> 00:31:58,961 Speaker 1: could handle that was so unnecessary. And that's when I thought, 713 00:31:59,001 --> 00:32:01,601 Speaker 1: I need to get off all this. Wow, get off 714 00:32:01,601 --> 00:32:04,761 Speaker 1: this and get out of this industry altogether, and as 715 00:32:05,121 --> 00:32:07,121 Speaker 1: you're coming off it, the realization of what I've been 716 00:32:07,121 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: doing was hitting me and that just unable to handle it. 717 00:32:10,761 --> 00:32:13,521 Speaker 1: Then panicking because I can't pay my bills at the 718 00:32:13,521 --> 00:32:16,961 Speaker 1: same time, and then a lot of people in that industry, 719 00:32:16,961 --> 00:32:19,801 Speaker 1: instead of helping, they kind of take advantage. Well, if 720 00:32:19,801 --> 00:32:21,881 Speaker 1: you film with me, then I can. Yeah, no, I 721 00:32:21,921 --> 00:32:25,121 Speaker 1: need money, not a film. And then a family member, 722 00:32:25,361 --> 00:32:27,921 Speaker 1: my sister, of course, got word off that I was 723 00:32:27,961 --> 00:32:30,201 Speaker 1: going through a rough time, and that's when she went 724 00:32:30,241 --> 00:32:33,121 Speaker 1: in for the attack. She told everyone, don't help her. 725 00:32:33,121 --> 00:32:35,121 Speaker 1: She's a junkie, she's of this, and that I was 726 00:32:35,241 --> 00:32:38,401 Speaker 1: using CBD oil and some cannabis to help with her withdrawals, 727 00:32:38,561 --> 00:32:40,841 Speaker 1: which some people do, but according to her, I'm a 728 00:32:40,881 --> 00:32:44,361 Speaker 1: full blown junkie. So she was telling people don't help her, 729 00:32:44,441 --> 00:32:47,281 Speaker 1: she's a junkie. Let her learn, and then telling family 730 00:32:47,321 --> 00:32:51,481 Speaker 1: members as well that I was just doing this work 731 00:32:51,561 --> 00:32:54,841 Speaker 1: to feed my drug habits. Everything. And then she got 732 00:32:54,881 --> 00:32:56,841 Speaker 1: in contact with a friend of mine who I'd fallen 733 00:32:56,881 --> 00:32:58,961 Speaker 1: out with then. And this is a friend I've fallen 734 00:32:58,961 --> 00:33:00,961 Speaker 1: out with because I told her the boyfriend she's dating 735 00:33:01,041 --> 00:33:03,801 Speaker 1: is using her common sense. If your boyfriend's quitting his 736 00:33:03,881 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 1: job to live off you, and you're a sex worker. 737 00:33:07,081 --> 00:33:10,241 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, he's using you. She contacted a few people 738 00:33:10,281 --> 00:33:12,601 Speaker 1: that I'd fallen out with over the years to try 739 00:33:12,641 --> 00:33:15,001 Speaker 1: and get them to spill stuff about me. They lied 740 00:33:15,041 --> 00:33:16,881 Speaker 1: and said, I've been in jail. I've never been in jail, 741 00:33:17,161 --> 00:33:20,081 Speaker 1: never once. I'm working with kids now, I know, yeah, 742 00:33:20,161 --> 00:33:22,721 Speaker 1: and studying in medical. Of course you do so many 743 00:33:22,721 --> 00:33:24,961 Speaker 1: background checks. So but I've never been to jail. I've 744 00:33:25,001 --> 00:33:29,000 Speaker 1: never been homeless. I've never But apparently they've told her 745 00:33:29,001 --> 00:33:32,241 Speaker 1: all this stuff that she believed and tried to write 746 00:33:32,241 --> 00:33:38,361 Speaker 1: in a statement that about me, and uh no, no, no, no, no, 747 00:33:38,401 --> 00:33:40,001 Speaker 1: She's tried to get in contact with me. I'm like, 748 00:33:40,041 --> 00:33:41,961 Speaker 1: are you kidding? No, thank you, honey. 749 00:33:42,081 --> 00:33:44,041 Speaker 2: So what made you go down the path that you did? Now? 750 00:33:44,481 --> 00:33:45,361 Speaker 2: What made you go there? 751 00:33:46,041 --> 00:33:48,841 Speaker 1: I was just it was like the end of my rope, 752 00:33:48,961 --> 00:33:50,841 Speaker 1: like I was going to lose my house. My well 753 00:33:50,881 --> 00:33:52,801 Speaker 1: I can think about was my cat, my new cat 754 00:33:52,841 --> 00:33:55,081 Speaker 1: that I got, And I'm thinking, oh no, like I'm 755 00:33:55,081 --> 00:33:57,081 Speaker 1: going to be homeless on the streets with this cat. 756 00:33:57,281 --> 00:33:59,121 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm going to do next. And 757 00:33:59,121 --> 00:34:02,321 Speaker 1: that's when I decided, okay, got the rope, got a nurse, 758 00:34:02,441 --> 00:34:05,281 Speaker 1: and then I yeah, tied it to the stairs, and 759 00:34:05,321 --> 00:34:07,321 Speaker 1: that's when I climbed up, had it over my head 760 00:34:07,361 --> 00:34:09,481 Speaker 1: and I went, okay, no, I've got it done on 761 00:34:09,521 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: my knees and I went, God, I'm so sorry I 762 00:34:12,481 --> 00:34:15,321 Speaker 1: did this to myself. I brought myself here like, just 763 00:34:15,361 --> 00:34:17,761 Speaker 1: forgive me for what I'm about to do. Because they 764 00:34:17,761 --> 00:34:20,401 Speaker 1: always say if you're repent at the last minute, you 765 00:34:20,441 --> 00:34:22,361 Speaker 1: weren't really good to al So I was just saying, God, 766 00:34:22,401 --> 00:34:24,401 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. And it was at that moment I 767 00:34:24,441 --> 00:34:26,321 Speaker 1: felt something come around me and say you're going to 768 00:34:26,321 --> 00:34:31,641 Speaker 1: be okay, like keep going. And that's when I just said, God, 769 00:34:31,681 --> 00:34:34,001 Speaker 1: where do I go from here? I've made such a 770 00:34:34,041 --> 00:34:37,201 Speaker 1: mess of my life. And then I felt something say 771 00:34:37,401 --> 00:34:39,841 Speaker 1: open the Bible. Read the Bible. And that's when I 772 00:34:39,841 --> 00:34:42,041 Speaker 1: opened the Bible. The first thing I see at the 773 00:34:42,081 --> 00:34:44,201 Speaker 1: top is Mark. And then I thought, okay, let me 774 00:34:44,241 --> 00:34:46,401 Speaker 1: just call my friend Mark. I called Mark and Mark said, 775 00:34:46,841 --> 00:34:48,520 Speaker 1: come and move in with me. I've got a spare 776 00:34:48,561 --> 00:34:51,681 Speaker 1: bedroom here. So I'm thinking, okay, maybe all my answers 777 00:34:51,721 --> 00:34:55,241 Speaker 1: are in the Bible. And I read in the Bible God. 778 00:34:55,361 --> 00:34:58,921 Speaker 1: I always had this thing that God was praised of virgins, 779 00:34:59,841 --> 00:35:02,841 Speaker 1: and no, there was prostitutes in the Bible. Some of 780 00:35:02,881 --> 00:35:06,001 Speaker 1: the best women in the Bible, like Rahab, the prostitute 781 00:35:06,161 --> 00:35:07,841 Speaker 1: is made an example of, and she was the great 782 00:35:07,841 --> 00:35:10,561 Speaker 1: grandmother of Jesus. So he didn't just come from a 783 00:35:10,601 --> 00:35:13,681 Speaker 1: blind of pure virgins like Mary like me, hung around 784 00:35:13,681 --> 00:35:19,801 Speaker 1: with some of the degenerates and that, and I'm thinking that, Yeah, 785 00:35:19,841 --> 00:35:23,401 Speaker 1: this is what I've been looking for. So I thought, Okay, 786 00:35:23,481 --> 00:35:25,281 Speaker 1: even though I knew I did not know where I 787 00:35:25,321 --> 00:35:27,841 Speaker 1: was going. I was clueless. I did not know where 788 00:35:27,841 --> 00:35:30,281 Speaker 1: I wanted to go next. I just felt there was 789 00:35:30,321 --> 00:35:33,241 Speaker 1: something inside me going just put it all in my hands. 790 00:35:33,441 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: I put everything in God's hands and then just said, God, 791 00:35:36,681 --> 00:35:38,841 Speaker 1: You're taking the wheel, like Jesus, take the wheel to 792 00:35:38,841 --> 00:35:41,481 Speaker 1: where I'm going to go next. So I yeah, when 793 00:35:41,521 --> 00:35:44,081 Speaker 1: I moved out to my friend Mark, I just thought, 794 00:35:44,921 --> 00:35:47,161 Speaker 1: I need to start attending church. I need to get 795 00:35:47,161 --> 00:35:49,561 Speaker 1: around these people. I need to cut ties with that industry. 796 00:35:49,681 --> 00:35:53,081 Speaker 1: Like they called me after lockdown and said, We've got 797 00:35:53,161 --> 00:35:56,001 Speaker 1: ninety people that have asked for you since I got back. 798 00:35:56,041 --> 00:35:57,721 Speaker 1: Even though I was struggling for money, I said, no, 799 00:35:57,921 --> 00:36:00,921 Speaker 1: I'm not coming back, take my photos down. So I 800 00:36:00,961 --> 00:36:03,561 Speaker 1: went there and I just I just wanted to be 801 00:36:03,601 --> 00:36:06,441 Speaker 1: alone and isolated. Around that time, I started talking to 802 00:36:06,441 --> 00:36:08,761 Speaker 1: my mum again. I told her every She just said, 803 00:36:08,761 --> 00:36:10,601 Speaker 1: how can I help you? I said, I need my ID. 804 00:36:10,881 --> 00:36:13,281 Speaker 1: It's the only thing I need. So she helped me 805 00:36:13,361 --> 00:36:15,961 Speaker 1: and I got my ID. So I just isolated myself 806 00:36:16,001 --> 00:36:19,881 Speaker 1: alone with God, like starting over from absolutely nothing. Took 807 00:36:19,921 --> 00:36:22,841 Speaker 1: those awards and I threw them in Sydney Harbor. Oh really, 808 00:36:25,841 --> 00:36:28,721 Speaker 1: And that was like the empowering moment for me. I'm like, 809 00:36:28,921 --> 00:36:32,721 Speaker 1: these awards bought nothing but yeah, misery for me. And 810 00:36:32,841 --> 00:36:34,841 Speaker 1: now I see how people are scrambling to get votes 811 00:36:34,841 --> 00:36:37,481 Speaker 1: for awards. I'm like, you can get mine Sydney Harbor. 812 00:36:37,921 --> 00:36:42,201 Speaker 1: Get on a went suit, and so I got two. 813 00:36:42,321 --> 00:36:45,281 Speaker 1: I was going to a church, but it just didn't 814 00:36:45,321 --> 00:36:47,281 Speaker 1: really even though I loved the message, there wasn't really 815 00:36:47,321 --> 00:36:49,801 Speaker 1: a feeling of community. But I was just there to 816 00:36:49,801 --> 00:36:52,681 Speaker 1: be with God. And then I was walking past the 817 00:36:52,761 --> 00:36:54,801 Speaker 1: church that I am at now, which is Echo Church, 818 00:36:55,441 --> 00:36:58,361 Speaker 1: and I heard the speakers from outside say you belong here, 819 00:36:58,961 --> 00:37:01,761 Speaker 1: and then I thought, Okay, I'll come back next week. 820 00:37:02,201 --> 00:37:05,801 Speaker 1: And so I as soon as I walked week later, 821 00:37:06,281 --> 00:37:09,361 Speaker 1: I've told Mom, I'm going to this church. And I 822 00:37:09,441 --> 00:37:13,441 Speaker 1: walked in and that not just greeted by smiles and everything, 823 00:37:13,481 --> 00:37:16,881 Speaker 1: and everyone's so nice and like a family welcoming. And 824 00:37:17,401 --> 00:37:19,641 Speaker 1: then the past of the female past has said to me, so, 825 00:37:19,881 --> 00:37:22,761 Speaker 1: what do you do or what's your testimony? And I said, 826 00:37:22,761 --> 00:37:26,681 Speaker 1: I can't tell you. And then I told Mom that 827 00:37:27,121 --> 00:37:28,921 Speaker 1: I can't tell these people what I used to do, 828 00:37:29,321 --> 00:37:31,241 Speaker 1: and she goes tell them and if they judge you, 829 00:37:31,281 --> 00:37:34,481 Speaker 1: there's another church that'll accept you. So okay. I went 830 00:37:34,521 --> 00:37:36,801 Speaker 1: back that week and she asked the same question, what 831 00:37:36,841 --> 00:37:39,161 Speaker 1: do you used to do and what's your testimony? Like 832 00:37:39,201 --> 00:37:41,521 Speaker 1: this time she was really like, yeah, what And I said, 833 00:37:41,561 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 1: I used to be a sex worker. And that's when 834 00:37:44,161 --> 00:37:46,521 Speaker 1: everything I told her, and she was listening, and that's 835 00:37:46,521 --> 00:37:47,881 Speaker 1: when she hugged me and said, you're not a sex 836 00:37:47,881 --> 00:37:49,281 Speaker 1: worker anymore. You're a child of God. 837 00:37:50,481 --> 00:37:51,041 Speaker 2: Wow. 838 00:37:51,921 --> 00:37:55,161 Speaker 1: And no one's really like I'm not saying all Christians 839 00:37:55,161 --> 00:37:57,241 Speaker 1: are perfect, but a majority of people in that church 840 00:37:57,321 --> 00:38:00,841 Speaker 1: is so accepting and how can we help you? Which 841 00:38:00,881 --> 00:38:04,521 Speaker 1: is the way I judge the church as I thought 842 00:38:04,561 --> 00:38:07,361 Speaker 1: the church was judge and sex workers were open. It's 843 00:38:07,361 --> 00:38:10,121 Speaker 1: the other way around, like the people in the church 844 00:38:10,161 --> 00:38:13,641 Speaker 1: were more open and loving and accepting of someone's past 845 00:38:13,681 --> 00:38:15,201 Speaker 1: than some of the sex workers are. 846 00:38:15,801 --> 00:38:17,721 Speaker 2: You must have regrets then, because if you're throwing your 847 00:38:17,761 --> 00:38:21,001 Speaker 2: trophies in the harbor in the harbor water, then you 848 00:38:21,081 --> 00:38:23,161 Speaker 2: must have regrets about your past life. 849 00:38:23,241 --> 00:38:26,801 Speaker 1: I always think regrets are useless. You can't go back 850 00:38:26,801 --> 00:38:28,761 Speaker 1: and change it. It's just you're going to dwell on it. 851 00:38:28,881 --> 00:38:30,881 Speaker 1: What you can do in is accept it as God 852 00:38:31,081 --> 00:38:34,721 Speaker 1: can turn everything a negative into a positive. Now I'm 853 00:38:34,801 --> 00:38:36,441 Speaker 1: using my experience to help girls. 854 00:38:36,481 --> 00:38:36,761 Speaker 2: Now. 855 00:38:37,081 --> 00:38:39,641 Speaker 1: I'm with the outreach team. We're going to different brothels 856 00:38:39,881 --> 00:38:41,361 Speaker 1: and we're speaking to the girls and a lot of 857 00:38:41,401 --> 00:38:43,681 Speaker 1: the girls do recognize me from the old day. So 858 00:38:43,881 --> 00:38:45,561 Speaker 1: I just want to be there as a friend to 859 00:38:45,841 --> 00:38:47,801 Speaker 1: speak to them because I know the suicides are quite 860 00:38:47,881 --> 00:38:49,921 Speaker 1: high in that industry. I've been to a lot of 861 00:38:49,961 --> 00:38:52,881 Speaker 1: funerals and it's hard to find a friend in that 862 00:38:53,121 --> 00:38:57,041 Speaker 1: industry that you can really speak to. I always tell 863 00:38:57,041 --> 00:38:58,481 Speaker 1: them I'm here if you want to talk to me. 864 00:38:58,601 --> 00:39:00,481 Speaker 2: If you do, a lot of girls reach out to you. 865 00:39:00,601 --> 00:39:02,081 Speaker 1: I've had a lot of girls reach out. 866 00:39:03,121 --> 00:39:04,481 Speaker 2: So what's the future hole for testing. 867 00:39:05,161 --> 00:39:08,481 Speaker 1: I'd like to do more in helping people get out 868 00:39:08,481 --> 00:39:11,601 Speaker 1: of the industry, Like I want to be brutally honest 869 00:39:11,601 --> 00:39:13,841 Speaker 1: about the industry. I'm sick of it being sugarcoated and 870 00:39:13,881 --> 00:39:17,161 Speaker 1: being told that it's empowering. I think it's anything but empowering. 871 00:39:17,641 --> 00:39:22,601 Speaker 1: And now that it's being turned so mainstream, and I'm thinking, 872 00:39:22,641 --> 00:39:25,081 Speaker 1: girls need to be made aware of the dangers in 873 00:39:25,161 --> 00:39:27,441 Speaker 1: it and what's the long term effect, and listen to 874 00:39:27,481 --> 00:39:29,921 Speaker 1: the ones that have left, like all the veterans that 875 00:39:30,001 --> 00:39:33,001 Speaker 1: have left. Oh, look at all the suicides that's happened 876 00:39:33,001 --> 00:39:36,841 Speaker 1: only this even this year with big names committing suicide. 877 00:39:37,241 --> 00:39:40,561 Speaker 1: Learn from that. Not everyone's going to be Anapaul and 878 00:39:40,641 --> 00:39:42,721 Speaker 1: there's only one and of Paul And a lot of 879 00:39:42,721 --> 00:39:44,881 Speaker 1: these girls lie about what they're earning on only fans 880 00:39:45,241 --> 00:39:47,881 Speaker 1: and you're falling into it and then finding out, oh, no, 881 00:39:47,961 --> 00:39:49,881 Speaker 1: I'm not making a lot of money here. Maybe I 882 00:39:49,881 --> 00:39:51,681 Speaker 1: should go to the strip club. Maybe I should go 883 00:39:51,681 --> 00:39:52,241 Speaker 1: to the brothel. 884 00:39:53,161 --> 00:39:55,001 Speaker 2: It's funny because when I was at SEXPO, I've seen 885 00:39:55,001 --> 00:39:57,201 Speaker 2: a lot of young girls who are like nineteen twenty, 886 00:39:57,601 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 2: and the way the attitude is for being a sex 887 00:40:01,041 --> 00:40:06,361 Speaker 2: worker or a stripper. It's weird how they they they 888 00:40:06,361 --> 00:40:10,161 Speaker 2: expressed themselves so easily about Oh I love my job, 889 00:40:10,201 --> 00:40:11,961 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? And you're only twenty nineteen 890 00:40:12,041 --> 00:40:13,681 Speaker 2: years old yet you know what I mean. It's I 891 00:40:13,681 --> 00:40:15,081 Speaker 2: feel like sometimes saying to them, so what are you 892 00:40:15,081 --> 00:40:16,321 Speaker 2: going to say to your kids? What you wear? You 893 00:40:16,401 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 2: know what I mean? And how are you getting treated 894 00:40:18,041 --> 00:40:20,841 Speaker 2: at the moment? Are you're getting treated? All right? Just 895 00:40:21,201 --> 00:40:23,401 Speaker 2: going into a room with fucking five people, you know 896 00:40:23,401 --> 00:40:25,761 Speaker 2: what I mean? But they love it. It's it's weird out. 897 00:40:25,961 --> 00:40:27,841 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And now a lot of them say, oh no, 898 00:40:27,921 --> 00:40:29,601 Speaker 1: one day I'll be dropping my kids at school in 899 00:40:29,601 --> 00:40:32,081 Speaker 1: a Lamborghini. I don't see too many Lamborghinis on the 900 00:40:32,081 --> 00:40:34,921 Speaker 1: street at the moment. Everyone seems to be a sex worker, 901 00:40:34,961 --> 00:40:36,761 Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of Lamborghini's dropping off kids 902 00:40:36,801 --> 00:40:40,561 Speaker 1: at school. So yeah, the money in the beginning is good, 903 00:40:40,801 --> 00:40:42,161 Speaker 1: and then it's going to go down. Then you have 904 00:40:42,201 --> 00:40:45,561 Speaker 1: to keep reinventing yourself like I did over time, and 905 00:40:46,161 --> 00:40:49,521 Speaker 1: it's oversaturated. The money is not there anymore unless you're well. 906 00:40:49,521 --> 00:40:51,281 Speaker 2: A lot of the brothels are closing down now, you 907 00:40:51,281 --> 00:40:52,961 Speaker 2: know what I mean. Like even what's the name of 908 00:40:53,241 --> 00:40:55,081 Speaker 2: I don't know if Tiffany's is getting borught or sold 909 00:40:55,121 --> 00:40:58,681 Speaker 2: off or knockdown, that's that's going. And then what's the 910 00:40:58,721 --> 00:41:01,761 Speaker 2: one in the King's Cross that was next to why You? 911 00:41:02,041 --> 00:41:03,921 Speaker 2: That's closed down now too. So there's a lot of 912 00:41:03,921 --> 00:41:06,321 Speaker 2: brothels closed now, but a lot of we're doing privately now, yeah, 913 00:41:06,401 --> 00:41:06,761 Speaker 2: a lot of. 914 00:41:06,841 --> 00:41:08,521 Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of girls are doing private. 915 00:41:08,321 --> 00:41:10,081 Speaker 2: Does she get girls like that who privately or you 916 00:41:10,081 --> 00:41:11,081 Speaker 2: mostly just go to brothels? 917 00:41:11,161 --> 00:41:13,841 Speaker 1: I mostly just go to brothels like a lot of 918 00:41:14,201 --> 00:41:17,521 Speaker 1: girls in the industry don't like usally, Yeah, because I 919 00:41:17,521 --> 00:41:20,201 Speaker 1: think it's the whole stigma you're making it. There's been 920 00:41:20,201 --> 00:41:23,001 Speaker 1: a stigma since a dawner time. Please with that industry. 921 00:41:23,241 --> 00:41:24,801 Speaker 1: It's not going to take me to do it. I'm 922 00:41:24,801 --> 00:41:27,841 Speaker 1: just going here to tell people the truth about what's happening, 923 00:41:28,161 --> 00:41:31,201 Speaker 1: and it's an unsafe job. People need to be aware 924 00:41:31,201 --> 00:41:35,001 Speaker 1: of what happens behind closed doors, what happens in these brothels, 925 00:41:35,401 --> 00:41:38,041 Speaker 1: and girls are telling me what is happening now as well, 926 00:41:38,081 --> 00:41:41,761 Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, what how is this allowed? Like one 927 00:41:41,761 --> 00:41:44,201 Speaker 1: told me that she's not allowed to take breaks, and 928 00:41:44,281 --> 00:41:46,601 Speaker 1: she's told to work and then when she started bleeding, 929 00:41:46,921 --> 00:41:49,041 Speaker 1: the guy told her to sponge it up and keep going, 930 00:41:49,321 --> 00:41:50,921 Speaker 1: to rub a bit of numbing cream on her self 931 00:41:50,961 --> 00:41:54,681 Speaker 1: and keep going. Wow, I'm thinking this is Australia. Like 932 00:41:54,721 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: I never went through that when I was working because 933 00:41:56,961 --> 00:41:59,001 Speaker 1: I was making good money. But I don't I know 934 00:41:59,041 --> 00:42:00,521 Speaker 1: that it did happen with other girls. 935 00:42:00,761 --> 00:42:03,001 Speaker 2: What's one word you could say about the industry? 936 00:42:03,201 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 1: One word? I'd just say, it's not empowering. No, it's 937 00:42:06,961 --> 00:42:08,041 Speaker 1: everything but empowering. 938 00:42:09,361 --> 00:42:10,881 Speaker 2: How long do you reckon the industry's got left? Do 939 00:42:10,921 --> 00:42:11,601 Speaker 2: you think it's dying? 940 00:42:11,961 --> 00:42:14,001 Speaker 1: I think it's going to hit a wall and then 941 00:42:14,041 --> 00:42:17,601 Speaker 1: everyone's just going to go conservative because you can see 942 00:42:17,601 --> 00:42:19,841 Speaker 1: it slowly happening now with a lot of young men 943 00:42:20,441 --> 00:42:25,681 Speaker 1: that they're going no, thank you because it's in their face. No, 944 00:42:25,881 --> 00:42:29,241 Speaker 1: it's mainstream. It used to be a little dirty, little secret, 945 00:42:30,041 --> 00:42:31,801 Speaker 1: that's how we made our money back in the days. 946 00:42:31,801 --> 00:42:35,241 Speaker 1: But everyone's doing it. And there's nothing empowering about the 947 00:42:35,321 --> 00:42:38,641 Speaker 1: women in the industry either. They're as dangerous as the clients. 948 00:42:39,121 --> 00:42:41,001 Speaker 1: I think I feared more of the other girls than 949 00:42:41,041 --> 00:42:42,081 Speaker 1: I did off the clients. 950 00:42:44,081 --> 00:42:47,201 Speaker 2: Well, thank you, Tess. That was very interesting. I really 951 00:42:47,281 --> 00:42:48,521 Speaker 2: enjoyed that interview 952 00:42:48,401 --> 00:42:50,521 Speaker 1: And thank you for coming on, Thanks for inviting me, 953 00:42:50,721 --> 00:42:51,041 Speaker 1: Thank you