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Speaker 1: Lara Schultz, Welcome to the podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Paul.

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Speaker 1: I was just telling you before we come on er

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Speaker 1: that when I looked you up when you booked and

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Speaker 1: I looked you up, I'm like, I've heard about you

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Speaker 1: and your practice from a mate of mine, Eric Yeger,

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Speaker 1: I know from the days in SAP and he was

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Speaker 1: really into the stuff that I'm doing. And then once

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Speaker 1: again the coaching, but he talked about a practice in

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Speaker 1: gingder Bne doing neurotherapy. And it turns out with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a small world, isn't it.

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Speaker 1: It is a very small world. So tell our listeners.

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Speaker 1: Let let's let's start with the big picture. What is

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Speaker 1: neurotherapy first of all, and then why did you get

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Speaker 1: into it?

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Speaker 3: Okay, cool? So neurotherapy is a brain based form of

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Speaker 3: therapy where I work in a silo where I understand

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Speaker 3: brain behavior essentially. Right, So you've got three silos now

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Speaker 3: in Australia. You've got psychology, psychiatry, and now we've got

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Speaker 3: psychophysiology and so my job is to understand the brain behavior.

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Speaker 3: Psychology is about human behavior, psychiatry is about the biomedical

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Speaker 3: aspect of that, and then you've got the psychophysiology, which

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Speaker 3: is brain behavior essentially, so forever that silo has been

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Speaker 3: missing in and it's quite a key component, right, because

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Speaker 3: if we don't actually understand the psychophysiology of how the

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Speaker 3: brain behaves, we miss so many vital clues and information

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Speaker 3: when we do the deep dive into the system in

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Speaker 3: and around what's going on. So, for example, I have

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Speaker 3: elderly women and men sent to me for treatment for

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Speaker 3: dementia and Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, and so a lot of the

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Speaker 3: time what I see is a is a misdiagnosis essentially

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Speaker 3: of of what it is that the individual believes is

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Speaker 3: wrong with them. And so when we do the deep

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Speaker 3: dive and we do the EEG, and we do the ERPs,

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Speaker 3: a lot of the time I'll be like, Oh, you

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Speaker 3: don't actually have dementia, my friend. What we're dealing with

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Speaker 3: here is actually a trauma profile. And so you know,

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Speaker 3: I've had geriatricians diagnosed patients with dementia and I've seen

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Speaker 3: absolutely no sign of dementia.

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Speaker 2: And so I'm not making that assumption on my own.

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Speaker 3: I'm taking all of the the eyes open EG, the

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Speaker 3: eyes closed EEG, and the event related potentials visual which

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Speaker 3: is a cognitive assessment, and I'm throwing it into our database.

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Speaker 3: And it's an AI tool as well. Now that's just

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Speaker 3: been created in the US. And so what this tool

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Speaker 3: does is it measures all of the data that I've

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Speaker 3: thrown into the system, and it looks at it across

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Speaker 3: a database full of patients who have a clinical diagnosis

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Speaker 3: of dementia or Alzheimer's or a degenerative issue, and it

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Speaker 3: measures what that brain looks like compared to a clinically

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Speaker 3: diagnosed brain with dementia. Now I know what dementia and

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Speaker 3: the slowing looks like in the brain right when it

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Speaker 3: presents with that and when I don't see those hallmark

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Speaker 3: signs in an EEG or an ERP. And then you

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Speaker 3: throw it through the database, I will quite often get

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Speaker 3: a tool that gives me a percentage or a measurement,

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Speaker 3: which they're in the red. So if it's a positive

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Speaker 3: classification for a dementia or Alzheimer's, or if I happen

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Speaker 3: to throw it through the PDSD trauma box as well,

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Speaker 3: and then I'll get a measurement for a trauma profile.

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Speaker 3: So for example, that woman that I was talking about,

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Speaker 3: she got like a her numbers were in the green.

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Speaker 3: So there was no positive classification for dementia, and there

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Speaker 3: was a very positive classification for PTSD and trauma. And

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Speaker 3: so part of what I do when I'm working with

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Speaker 3: history with each person, right, And so for this particular woman,

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Speaker 3: she lost a child in a car accident all of

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Speaker 3: a sudden, and so her entire system shut down.

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Speaker 2: White her central nervous system was a mess. You know.

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Speaker 3: So with every EEG so brain scan that I do,

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Speaker 3: I always do it an ECG, so I'm understanding how

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Speaker 3: the brain and the heart are communicating with each other.

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Speaker 3: So I can very clearly see if we've got a

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Speaker 3: trauma profile so the central nervous system is in vital flight,

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Speaker 3: or I can see if the patient has a depressed profile.

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Speaker 1: Can we just start right, I want to go back.

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Speaker 1: We will come into the depth here, but I just

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Speaker 1: want to take a step back. My listeners will have

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Speaker 1: heard me say I'm pretty critical of psychology and psychiatry

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Speaker 1: because there are all of these conditions or dysfunctions or

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Speaker 1: whatever they label them as that has been ever expanding

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Speaker 1: and not one of them has a consistent, clear biological

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Speaker 1: signature right now. And what you're talking about here is

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Speaker 1: biological signatures like every other. And when you look at medicine,

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Speaker 1: every disease, when you get diabetes, heart disease, cancer, whatever

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Speaker 1: it is, there's a very clear, consistent, repeatable biological signature.

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Speaker 1: But my understanding, although I recently read a research paper

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Speaker 1: about major depression where there was seemingly a clear biological signal,

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Speaker 1: but the vast majority of people are going in and

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Speaker 1: getting an assessment on fiking met up questionner with leading

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Speaker 1: questions that has been ever expanding, and then they're put

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Speaker 1: on medications that widespread effects.

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Speaker 2: Don't get me started on this. It just makes me rage.

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Speaker 3: It's a box ticking exercise, right, We all know how

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Speaker 3: to manipulate a box ticking exercise. And I mean no

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Speaker 3: disrespect to the field of psychology. My mum is a

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Speaker 3: doctor of clinical psychology. We work together very closely in

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Speaker 2: There is a place for it.

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Speaker 3: I don't deny that, but I just from my experience

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Speaker 3: and over the many years, you cannot make a diagnosis

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Speaker 3: of a box ticking exercise alone must do the deep

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Speaker 2: And you know, it just speaks to like especially.

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Speaker 3: With children with ADHD autism, I see so many children

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Speaker 3: on antipsychotic medications because the experts don't actually know what

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Speaker 3: it is that they're dealing with. Children are misdiagnosed on

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Speaker 3: a daily basis. They may have a new presentation where

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Speaker 3: their sensorymotor cortex is working over time, so therefore their

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Speaker 3: frontal lobe can't switch on.

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Speaker 1: And to this point, I had a great conversation with

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Speaker 1: a psychologist yesterday involved in the LaRita Academy, and they

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Speaker 1: are basically helping disadvantage kids. But he has a background

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Speaker 1: in trauma and trauma and forign therapy and rightly points

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Speaker 1: out which I'm sure you'll be all over, that trauma

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Speaker 1: fundamentally changes the briand it puts the central nervous system,

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Speaker 1: so the in a central nervous system goes into a hyperarized,

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Speaker 1: hypervigilant st it and cognitive processing is very very different,

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Speaker 1: articularly and children who had trauma, or to your point,

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Speaker 1: an adult who goes through and when I'm saying trauma,

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Speaker 1: I'm talking big t trauma, not the little t trauma,

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Speaker 1: but an adult who's been through a very traumatic experience,

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Speaker 1: like the leader you're talking about. Just that fundamentally changes

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Speaker 2: Changes everything.

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Speaker 3: Every single aspect of how you function is permanently changed.

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Speaker 3: Your hippocampus shrinks, your memory is compromised. So and that's

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Speaker 3: why they get why people get misdiagnosed with dementia because

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Speaker 3: through the trauma process, if your hypcamp hippocampus shrinks, your

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Speaker 3: memories is compromised. Right, So we need to understand this,

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Speaker 3: and we need to have empathy and compassion and understanding

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Speaker 3: for people who are experiencing trauma and not just overlook

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Speaker 1: You know that. I interviewed a professor John Reid Right,

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Speaker 1: who is very critical of psych He actually said to

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Speaker 1: me that psychiatry is the closest part of medicine to

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Speaker 1: psycho bubble. Right. He talks about the area that he

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Speaker 1: specializes in is schizophrenia, and he said there are five

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Speaker 1: different whether it's conditions or our behaviors or I can't

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Speaker 1: remember the correct terminology. But there's five different and you

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Speaker 1: need to pick tick two of five. But you could

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Speaker 1: have two and I could have two completely different ones.

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Speaker 1: We have no over whatsoever. Yet we are both called

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Speaker 1: set schizophrenic can put on the same medications, right, which

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Speaker 3: Totally, totally. I see a lot of guys in the

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Speaker 3: military with PDSD from special forces, and the amount of

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Speaker 3: guys that are put on to any depressants and any

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Speaker 3: psychotics is terrifying because they don't know what to deal with.

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Speaker 2: It or how to deal with it.

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Speaker 3: So the first thing we do is very very safely

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Speaker 3: get them off that and stabilize their brains so that

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Speaker 3: they can then move through the trauma.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think it's important for people to Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: when I was talking about John Read he said to

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Speaker 1: and in his research, only about twenty five percent of

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Speaker 1: mental health professionals ever ask a patient if they've had

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Speaker 1: adverse childhood experiences or a history of trauma, which to

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Speaker 1: me is absolutely fucking bonkers. Right, It's way worse than

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Speaker 1: fact that adverse childhood experiences fundamentally changed the briand change

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Speaker 1: trauma does it to a greater extent. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: is professional negligence to not ask her take it into account.

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Speaker 3: Right, absolutely, It's the first question we ask in our clinic,

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Speaker 3: the number one question, you know. I had a woman

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Speaker 2: She came into my clinic.

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Speaker 3: We did, you know, all the assessments I did the

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Speaker 3: brain mapping, said, you're not depressed, my love, youre traumatized,

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Speaker 3: and let's have a discussion about your childhood. Let's let's

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Speaker 3: and out of psychiatry hospitals since she was nineteen, right

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Speaker 3: from the moment her father came back into her world. Bang,

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Speaker 3: in and did some EMDR with my mum.

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Speaker 2: I SSS two very significant events, completely different human being,

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Speaker 2: no depressants, no longer depressed. We just had to clear

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Speaker 3: Now doctor Bessel vander Kolt talks about body.

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Speaker 1: He keeps the score right.

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Speaker 3: That's how That's what I based my entire practice and

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Speaker 3: work off with trauma.

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Speaker 2: It's sitting in our system.

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Speaker 3: We just got to do the deep dive, figure out

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Speaker 1: So let's tick again a couple of steps back. You

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Speaker 1: of Let's give our listeners a little bit of an

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Speaker 1: understanding of what they are. So take us through the

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Speaker 1: different measurement tools that you may use and what they

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Speaker 1: actually show you you've already talked about. Then you can

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Speaker 1: compare it to databases, to them to see what this

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Speaker 1: pattern looks like. But just kind of talk us through it.

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Speaker 1: What happens when you come in, what do you stick

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Speaker 1: on the head, what does it show you Okay.

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Speaker 2: So patient will come in. We do the deep dive

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Speaker 3: We then pop it like a cap so it looks like,

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Speaker 3: nineteen electrodes. Right, we fill it all with gel. Start

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Speaker 3: having a look at the wiggly lines on my screen.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you're giving a little nodge rather than

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Speaker 1: heading it with the sledge.

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Speaker 3: Hummer, which is TMS. TMS is like taking a sledge

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Speaker 3: chamber to the brain. And it's just one size fits all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, And so I long, is there a standard amount

443
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Speaker 1: of time that doing that, like doing a session will

444
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Speaker 1: will change the briand like is there a typical amount

445
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Speaker 1: of sessions and frequency that people need to come in

446
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Speaker 1: with or is it very from individual to individual.

447
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Speaker 2: It's the million dollar question. It's so individual.

448
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Speaker 3: Look, I've got a fellow that I'm working with in

449
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 3: Melbourne moment who has had a stroke and his brain

450
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:10,280
Speaker 3: is so so compromised that I can't go above zero

451
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Speaker 3: point two milliamps. I think we got him up to

452
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Speaker 3: zero point three yesterday, but it was just so intense

453
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Speaker 3: on his scalp. And then he messaged me last night

454
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Speaker 3: and he said, for the first time in two years,

455
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Speaker 3: after three sessions of very low energy, he said, he

456
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 3: finally has had glimpses of how his brain used to function. Now,

457
00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 3: this is a highly intelligent, capable young man who had

458
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Speaker 3: a stroke as a result of having some medication that

459
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Speaker 3: a doctor prescribed shouldn't probably have prescribed. And so that

460
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Speaker 3: took him three sessions. And I wasn't even a clinical

461
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Speaker 3: levels of treatment. You know, that was a point two

462
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Speaker 3: and point three of a milliamp, which is absolutely nothing.

463
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Speaker 3: But that doesn't matter. Some children report getting a treatment

464
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Speaker 3: response after one session. I've seen times where patients have

465
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Speaker 3: had to have thirty sessions before the brain has just

466
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Speaker 3: let down and gone, oh, this is what you want

467
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Speaker 3: me to do now, okay, fine, I'll get on with it.

468
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Speaker 1: And so other than so, if you check people who've

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Speaker 1: had sort of trauma or things that have severely impacted

470
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Speaker 1: the brand. So that's one use kiss depression, another use

471
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Speaker 1: kiss What about ADHD? Right, this is the biggest expanding

472
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Speaker 1: diagnosis this side of the Mississippi.

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Speaker 3: It's so sad when I see these beautiful little children

474
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Speaker 3: coming in and they're all just like dulled out in

475
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Speaker 3: ADHD meds. This works so unbelievably well, and it's so

476
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Speaker 3: efficient for dealing with ADHD either hyperactive or inattentive or

477
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Speaker 3: in alpha profile ADHD. All we're doing is showing the

478
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Speaker 3: brain how to regulate so that it doesn't run too

479
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Speaker 3: slowly with an inattentive ADHD, or it's not running too

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Speaker 3: quickly for a high proactive type ADHD. And we just

481
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Speaker 3: stay use stabilizing rhythms. Now, I've seen men on ADHD

482
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Speaker 3: medication they're entire and women on ADHD medication their entire

483
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Speaker 3: life have twenty sessions of a stabilizing rhythm and no

484
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Speaker 3: longer need their ADHD meds.

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Speaker 1: Ah wow, And I presume from what you're saying that

486
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Speaker 1: there is a different profile from the inattentive to the hyperactive, right,

487
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Speaker 1: because they're opposite ends of the skill totally. And so

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Speaker 1: can you can you, like, within one measurement session, can

489
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Speaker 1: you kind of tell what that is? And can you

490
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Speaker 1: also go, actually, you probably don't have ADHD. I mean

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Speaker 1: Martin Iams, when I interviewed him, he said the research

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Speaker 1: that he's done, he said, five days of sleep deprivation,

493
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Speaker 1: your bream will look like an ADHD brand totally. There's

494
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Speaker 1: so many kids who are out there who are sleep

495
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Speaker 1: deprived plus not doing physical activity and eating a sh diet.

496
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Speaker 1: And we know that ultra processed food consumption increases common

497
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Speaker 1: mental health to sort of resk by whopping fifty three percent.

498
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Speaker 1: But for me, you put that tri factor in of

499
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Speaker 1: personally like a physical activity and a poor diet man,

500
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Speaker 1: how's the brain supposed to bloody function properly?

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Speaker 2: Diet, rest, and exercise.

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Speaker 3: Really, isn't it what Dogris talks about all the time

503
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Speaker 3: in training in the US, Diet, rest, exercise. If you

504
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 3: don't have those three down pat it's it's not great.

505
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Speaker 2: Sleep is just one one.

506
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Speaker 3: It's just one of the most important parts of mental

507
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Speaker 3: health is sleep and getting deep delta restorative rhythms.

508
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Speaker 2: Look, I can. I can.

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Speaker 3: When I can have someone plugged in and doing an

510
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Speaker 3: EEG within two minutes, if they've got an ADHD hyperactive profile,

511
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Speaker 3: I'll be able to see it because amount of beta

512
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Speaker 3: spindling in their frontal lobe, like right at the front

513
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Speaker 3: part of the brain. It's like super duper really fast rhythms.

514
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Speaker 3: I'll be like, whoa, we got a brain that's like ready,

515
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: like rip and raw, and like I've got to show

516
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 3: this beautiful Ferrari brain how to Poppy's breaks on.

517
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Speaker 2: You know all it is.

518
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Speaker 3: And every single child that comes in with ADHD or autism,

519
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Speaker 3: they are so intelligent.

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Speaker 2: Their brains are just letting them down. And it could

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Speaker 2: be from a difficult birth.

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Speaker 3: It could be you know, the lack of oxygen at

523
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Speaker 3: birth where they you know, the brain's been compromised.

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Speaker 2: It could be hereditary. It can be a number of

525
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Speaker 2: different things, but it's it could be a.

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Speaker 3: New profile and then they get misdiagnosed with ADHD like

527
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Speaker 3: I can fight start five five times in the DSM

528
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 3: where a new profile in the brain gets misdiagnosed as ADHD.

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Speaker 3: And then we're giving these children ADHD meds in the morning,

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Speaker 3: so they're on uppers in the morning. You put it

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Speaker 3: child on downers at night. They're not getting into deep

532
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Speaker 3: delta sleep. Going to set them up for a dementia

533
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Speaker 3: type profile later on in life because they're so deficient

534
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Speaker 3: in getting healthy, restorative rhythms of sleep at night.

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Speaker 2: Recipe for disaster.

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Speaker 1: You mess with sleep at your peril. I always say

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Speaker 1: to people, if you have pretty poor sleep, and you're

538
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Speaker 1: not exercising, and you're eating the standard Australian diet which

539
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Speaker 1: is pretty shit. Good luck with your mental health because

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Speaker 1: you need it. And it's not I don't say that

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Speaker 1: from a judgment perspective, it's just from a few physiology

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Speaker 1: perspective like that. Brian cannot function well without those things,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately our modern lifestyles are are very anti Brian.

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Speaker 3: Bizarre, isn't it. I say this to parents all the time.

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Speaker 3: Would you buy a vehicle and not have it serviced?

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Speaker 1: I know? Or would you would you back are and

547
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Speaker 1: just drive it in first and second gear like a

548
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Speaker 1: super high rayvs? All the time you look at a

549
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Speaker 1: Formula one car that there are high performance machines, but

550
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Speaker 1: the engine doesn't last very long at all. Right, it's

551
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Speaker 1: lasting for half a dozen races and then because it's

552
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Speaker 1: running se freak and hot, right, and people are running

553
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Speaker 1: their brilliant so bloody hot and not not servicing them

554
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Speaker 1: to your point, and it's that that stuff is the other.

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Speaker 3: Thing I say to parents is, especially with kids with

556
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Speaker 3: autism and emotional dysregulation, when we build a house, are

557
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Speaker 3: we going to put the roof on first? Because there's

558
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Speaker 3: no foundation to hold the roof up. So what we

559
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Speaker 3: do is we build the foundation. We connect all the

560
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Speaker 3: neural networks. We get the brain communicating the way it should,

561
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Speaker 3: and then you start with ots, you start with speech,

562
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Speaker 3: you start with all the other complimentary thing and you

563
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Speaker 3: watch that child take off.

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Speaker 1: So you've mentioned autism a couple of times. So when

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Speaker 1: you measure the brain of someone on autism spectrum disorder,

566
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Speaker 1: and it is a whole spectrum now, and do you

567
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Speaker 1: see clear biological signatures?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I will see a really strong new rhythm.

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Speaker 1: So what's you sorry you said? You said just a

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Speaker 1: couple of sentiment to ask you.

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Speaker 3: New new is just mu It's it's in the sensory

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Speaker 3: motor cortex at C three C four. You can see

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Speaker 3: it F three, F four, and you can see it

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Speaker 3: P three, P four, But a sensory essentially, it's in

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Speaker 3: the sensory rhythm. It's in the sensory motor cortex. So

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Speaker 3: when this part of our brain at C three C

577
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Speaker 3: four is going off and working really hard, all the

578
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Speaker 3: energies there frontal low poon't switch on. So it's a

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Speaker 3: wicket rhythm that is created. Now I see that in

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Speaker 3: seventy percent of children with autism, fifty percent of children

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Speaker 3: with ADHD create new, fifty percent of people with an

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Speaker 3: effective disorder create new, and eighteen percent of the healthy

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Speaker 3: normal population created Now when we're dealing with an effective disorder,

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Speaker 3: So someone with trauma, for example, if you've got if

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Speaker 3: you've experienced a horrific trauma, the brain will create MEW.

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Speaker 3: It's done as a protective mechanism to protect the person

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Speaker 3: from being further traumatized because it's a disassociative rhythm in

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Speaker 3: the alpha band range.

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, Okay? Interesting? And so do you find that you're

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Speaker 1: getting results? It would it be the CEM With artistic people,

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00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:45,800
Speaker 1: it's you dor partterns of stimulation with them and support

592
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:49,240
Speaker 1: of you know, helping them, giving them a dice around

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00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 1: building the fundations correctly, which by the way, can be

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Speaker 1: very difficult in artistic children, particularly around diet, because they

595
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Speaker 1: tend to be super duper fussy around diet as well.

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Speaker 3: So when you talk about that I had, I've had

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Speaker 3: this one particular child in Ginderbyne who you know, we're

598
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Speaker 3: a ski town, right, it's all in winter. This child

599
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: was so unbelievably dysregulated, could never attend a school, would

600
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Speaker 3: never wear shoes, would never wear a jumper, like not ideal,

601
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Speaker 3: living in the snow. I started working with this, this

602
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 3: gorgeous child like years ago.

603
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Speaker 2: He's now the school captain of year six.

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Speaker 3: Now it's all full time, like on the debating team,

605
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Speaker 3: like kicking goals. But had such a horrific start to

606
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 3: life in trauma, in and around the school environment that

607
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Speaker 3: he could never go back to attend a school. So,

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Speaker 3: you know, we just we just worked with that part

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Speaker 3: of the brain. We've got a protocol that we have

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Speaker 3: dubbed the mew buster. So we're essentially asking the brain

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Speaker 3: to stop creating new It's like, you know, you grab

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00:37:58,440 --> 00:37:59,880
Speaker 3: the brain, You're like, wait, knock it off. This is

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Speaker 3: not what I want you to do. This is what

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Speaker 3: I want you to do. And so we are asking

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Speaker 3: the brain to reduce that frontal lobe disengagement. And we're

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Speaker 3: engaging the frontal lobe so that children are no longer disregulated.

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Speaker 3: If I'm doing an EEG and I can see you

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Speaker 3: in the brain, I'll say to the kid, wiggle your fingers.

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Speaker 3: Movement attenuates your.

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Speaker 1: Interest that because movement forces the multi cortex of the

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Speaker 1: frontal lobes to come online.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 3: And so when we're hearing at school from teachers that

624
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Speaker 3: these naughty children won't sit still, it breaks my heart

625
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: because these children aren't naughty, you subspect, right, it's an

626
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Speaker 3: uncomfortable rhythm.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to get out of their bloody brains.

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Speaker 1: Well, you look at you look at Finland, which is

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Speaker 1: the best education system in the world. It also has

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Speaker 1: the highest amount of physical activity breaks in the world.

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Speaker 1: And we've just been bringing kids in and especially young boys,

632
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Speaker 1: and expecting them to sit on our arses all day

633
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Speaker 1: long and pay attention. It's like you look at you

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00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:22,080
Speaker 1: look at any young animal, right, they are just balls

635
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: of movement all the time. Right, All young animals are

636
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Speaker 1: just are just wrestling, running around, just doing shit and

637
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Speaker 1: end if all over a collapse. But we're trying to

638
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Speaker 1: get them to sit down and focus without any physic activity.

639
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Speaker 1: It's completely bonkers, right, It's cruel.

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Speaker 2: I really think it's cruel.

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Speaker 3: I had a situation with my son's school where they

642
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Speaker 3: were telling me, of all people, that my child needed

643
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Speaker 3: to go and have an assessment, and I was like, oh, okay,

644
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: let's have a chat about this. What's your qualification to

645
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Speaker 3: tell me that my child needs to go see a pediatrician.

646
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 3: Have you do you want understand the psychophysiology of his brain?

647
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,399
Speaker 3: And the teachers are like, no, I said, then don't

648
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Speaker 3: come to me and tell me my child needs an assessment.

649
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Speaker 3: You teachers need to go and learn how my child learns.

650
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 3: I don't work for you, You work for me, right, so

651
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 3: figure out how he learns. Come and tell me and

652
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 3: start teaching. So I just won't put up with that behavior.

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Speaker 1: It's really quite interesting because it tends to be teachers

654
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Speaker 1: are the initial driver of kids getting assessed, and then

655
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Speaker 1: they get assessed within school psychology and psychologists like, I'm

656
00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:43,760
Speaker 1: not going to I'm not going to blanket criticize psychologists,

657
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:47,600
Speaker 1: Like some brilliant psychologists need do brilliant work, but they

658
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: look at everything through the lens of condition or a diagnosis.

659
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:58,040
Speaker 1: Right when you're a hummer, everything looks like a nil.

660
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 1: I actually got slammed on social media because I highlighted

661
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 1: that one of the biggest predictors of a kid getting

662
00:41:10,600 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: a diagnosis of ADHD is actually their date of birth.

663
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: The kids who are born early in the year are

664
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Speaker 1: thirty eight percent more likely on average, And this is

665
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Speaker 1: this is a systematic review and meta analysis of a

666
00:41:30,120 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 1: number of different studies, and it ruins somewhere between twenty

667
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: and seventy percent in the different studies, but on average

668
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: thirty eight percent more likely to get a diagnosis of

669
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Speaker 1: ADHD than a kid who's born later in the year.

670
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 1: So little Johnny or Jennifer, maybe they don't have the idiotcy.

671
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: Maybe they're just six months down the developmental timeline, and

672
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,399
Speaker 1: if you give them that six months, they actually catch up.

673
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: But the teachers are going, they're inattentive, they got an issue,

674
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: they go to the charge psychologist or they get referred,

675
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 1: and then they looked through the prism of diagnosis, not

676
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:13,960
Speaker 1: from hey, what are your what's what? What's what's what's

677
00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: your sleep like? What's all of that sort of stuff?

678
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:23,439
Speaker 1: It's it is completely and utterly bonkers. And so tell

679
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: me this, what what do you think the future looks

680
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 1: like in this whole area that you're in.

681
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:35,080
Speaker 3: Well, I just I think in eg the assessment process

682
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 3: needs to be in every single school. It needs to

683
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 3: be in every single juvenile detention center, needs to be

684
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,760
Speaker 3: in every single prison, it needs to be in every

685
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 3: psychiatric clinic and hospital.

686
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Speaker 2: Because the longer we stop sorry.

687
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 3: The longer that we do not do this deep dive

688
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,360
Speaker 3: and understand someone's brain function, the longer we are harming people.

689
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 3: And I don't say that lightly at all. I see

690
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,400
Speaker 3: this every single day. People are on the wrong medication.

691
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 3: They are They're just seen as a tool to make money, essentially,

692
00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 3: and I hate that.

693
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 2: I mean, my own experience as a child was in

694
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:18,240
Speaker 2: with being.

695
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 3: Assessed by some expert that my mum found because I

696
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:26,120
Speaker 3: had learning problems. I was born hypoxic, right like I

697
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: also didn't have learning problems. So he, this expert, got

698
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 3: me in the room, told my mother and brother to leave. Now,

699
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:36,799
Speaker 3: my brother's sixteen months younger than me, asked me to

700
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,879
Speaker 3: do an exercise. I couldn't do the exercise, but when

701
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 3: he brought my mother and my sixteen month younger brother

702
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,080
Speaker 3: into the room, he explained it differently to my brother

703
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 3: and he could do it.

704
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 2: Now. I remember that.

705
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:55,879
Speaker 1: I'm going to give you sorry.

706
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: Whether he did that intentionally or not, I don't know,

707
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: but I was small good enough back then, at a

708
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:07,279
Speaker 3: really young age to call bullshit on that. And I'm

709
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: not saying all experts and specialists do that, but you

710
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 3: cannot go off a box ticking exercise alone to understand

711
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: what is what's going on with people and their system.

712
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 2: It's just it's just not right anymore.

713
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: I'll give you a reasonably similar story. Myla guy Oscar

714
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: ended up with Cushing's disease, which is a pretty horrible

715
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:35,000
Speaker 1: disease with the tumor on the peturitary that hyper secretes

716
00:44:35,080 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: cortisol and creass creates a deep, deep depression. Weir a

717
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 1: gain and you know, he was a super, super sporty

718
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: little kid, started putting on We got this big, puffy,

719
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 1: fierce and you know, when we got the diagnosis and

720
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: understood he wanted He said to me, I want to

721
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,840
Speaker 1: be the first Cushings patient to lose with it before

722
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 1: my surgery. So he became quite obsessive around that. He

723
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: did a lot of exercise anyway, but he became obsessive

724
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 1: around his food. I was trying to talk him out

725
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: of it, but he got very, very stressed, and I

726
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,280
Speaker 1: realized me and my wife realized he just needs something

727
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:15,400
Speaker 1: that he can control here, and so you know, he

728
00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,200
Speaker 1: was reduced his coverage, but it was it wasn't to

729
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:20,799
Speaker 1: the point of danger because we're both nutritionists and when

730
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 1: we were in the hospital and they weighed them and

731
00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 1: they saw that he'd lost we it. They then the

732
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 1: dietitian said, I think he might have an eating disorder.

733
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:35,399
Speaker 1: But we and we were like fucking hell. And and

734
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:41,560
Speaker 1: you know what, the minute that his and his that

735
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: he where he went through the surgery and they took

736
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: it out and when he woke up and he asked

737
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: for seconds. Right, But we were asking for psychological help

738
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: because that's the biggest thing that Cushing's patients need post surgery.

739
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 1: And the only place they could send this to was

740
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: was a local place that was generally around eating disorders.

741
00:46:02,719 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: We were supposed to get psychological support. The psychologist, who

742
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:09,919
Speaker 1: was pretty senior, took Oscar into the room, didn't want

743
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 1: us in there. And actually when they closed to do

744
00:46:12,640 --> 00:46:14,400
Speaker 1: it that there was a one way door. It was locked.

745
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 1: We started going, fuck, this is wrong. And Oscar had

746
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: he had he was twelve years old, maybe thirteen. I

747
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:27,839
Speaker 1: think he was twelve, No, he was twelve. He had

748
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:34,839
Speaker 1: two psychologists with masks and peppering him with questions, right,

749
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 1: and he said one day he was just throwing questions

750
00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:40,719
Speaker 1: out of the other one was just stirring at him.

751
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: And we came in and the psychologist went, he's definitely

752
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:49,160
Speaker 1: got an eating disorder. He has anorexia, and I hit

753
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 1: the fucking roof and actually put in a complaint. We

754
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:59,239
Speaker 1: eventually got the senior guy came on and gave us

755
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: an apology around it. But you know what that is

756
00:47:02,200 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: on his medical records forever, right, And it was such

757
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:11,239
Speaker 1: a bullshit diagnosis. And this is the problem that when

758
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: you look at somebody through the lens of a diagnosis.

759
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:20,279
Speaker 1: And I actually said to the lady, I said, so

760
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: he's got Cushing's disease. Do you know what Cushing's disease is?

761
00:47:23,760 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: And she didn't. I said, so you've done no research

762
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,920
Speaker 1: on his condition and she was like, well no, and

763
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: I went, well, it is well known that Cushing disease

764
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:39,240
Speaker 1: has obsessive compulsive disorders. Right, you have obsessive compulsive thinking.

765
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: You have a kid here who was all totally into

766
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 1: his sport and then saw himself getting fat and wanted

767
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: some level of control of that, and you have diagnosed

768
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 1: him with an eating sort and said that he's now

769
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:55,560
Speaker 1: underwig and then they give us this target weight that

770
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 1: actually would have made him fat. And I'm like, you

771
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: people are completely freaking in bunkers. Oscar has said to me,

772
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 1: if I ever have a mood disorder or any I'm

773
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: not going to a psychologist ever, he said. He said,

774
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: I will go to Barney and do some breath work

775
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,720
Speaker 1: because he ward this guy. We did a breath work session.

776
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,400
Speaker 1: It was a huge breathwork session, and Oscar just just

777
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: cried for no reason for like twenty minutes. After that

778
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,440
Speaker 1: was the he could now talk about his cushions disease

779
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 1: without tearing up. Before that, anytime he talked about his

780
00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: cushions disease, he would tear up. And that breath work

781
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 1: actually did a bit of release. That reminds me, can

782
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:43,759
Speaker 1: you just the last kind of question, AMDR, which I

783
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 1: think you said your mom does. I have heard yeah,

784
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 1: I've heard, like I'm getting lots of reports that I'm

785
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: hearing about people, particularly if I drauma and do AMDR

786
00:48:55,800 --> 00:49:00,600
Speaker 1: and go fuck may what a game changer talk as

787
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 1: long as their.

788
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:05,920
Speaker 3: Brain is in healthy alpha absolute game changer. If the

789
00:49:05,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: brain is not. If the brain is deficient, so it's

790
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 3: doing what we would call alpha blocking at T six,

791
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,839
Speaker 3: it won't work. And if you've got too much OLF

792
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: activity at T six as well, it's generally not safe

793
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,320
Speaker 3: to take the patient to the trauma.

794
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: But oh so this is the combination of briain stimulation,

795
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 1: get it in the right, steer it to then do

796
00:49:29,960 --> 00:49:33,640
Speaker 1: the therapy, and a kind of a little bit I

797
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: would draw the analogy of psychedelic therapies. I had Paul

798
00:49:39,800 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 1: Libramitski on who is the Australia's leader in this, and

799
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,800
Speaker 1: he basically said, it is like a rocket ship for therapy,

800
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:49,600
Speaker 1: but you need to know how to steer the rocket.

801
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,280
Speaker 3: So I've just done a brain scan on a patient

802
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 3: who has left to go to Mexico to do some

803
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 3: eyeber game. He's got a horrific trauma background has been doing.

804
00:50:01,600 --> 00:50:03,839
Speaker 2: I have to be careful about what I say.

805
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 3: But essentially we've done the pre brain map, he's done

806
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 3: a lot of talking therapy. When he gets back, we're

807
00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 3: going to do the after brain map to see what

808
00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:16,440
Speaker 3: the I begain and the psychedelics have done for his brain,

809
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 3: and then we'll continue on with more talking therapy. But

810
00:50:20,680 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 3: you know, it's just when, like I said, when you

811
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 3: put all three of these silos together, psychology, psychiatry and psychophysiology,

812
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: like the world really shifts a lot for these people.

813
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:39,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you mix them, so tell us. We'll talk

814
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:42,359
Speaker 1: about your practice in a minute. How many people are

815
00:50:42,400 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 1: doing this in Australia.

816
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:49,760
Speaker 3: I brought this technology out myself back in twenty nineteen.

817
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't really know of anyone else

818
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: is doing it as March.

819
00:50:57,280 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 3: I've got a colleague in New Zealand, Elizabeth Harris. Love her,

820
00:51:02,200 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: so we work together a little bits. She goes over

821
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:08,479
Speaker 3: to the US with me. Actually there is another guy,

822
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 3: but he's not doing the neurostem in Canberra.

823
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:14,560
Speaker 2: I do keep calling his practice and I'm like, can

824
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 2: you please hurry up and start.

825
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:21,720
Speaker 3: There's a guy down in Victoria, he's doing neurofeedback.

826
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,279
Speaker 2: There are so many people that do neurofeedback.

827
00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, neurofeedback is a dirty word in this country thanks

828
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:33,879
Speaker 3: to the NDIS neurofeedback. I have not done eurofeedback since

829
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:37,160
Speaker 3: I was like in my late teens when I first

830
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,840
Speaker 3: worked in this space. And as much as I love neurofeedback,

831
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 3: I can what neurofeedback takes to achieve in twelve months,

832
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 3: I can do in three months with neurostimulations. So I

833
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 3: would just never bother with neurofeedback ever. Again, what we

834
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,080
Speaker 3: do is just the gold standard. It is really sophisticated.

835
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:56,640
Speaker 3: When I was over in Santa Barbara last year and

836
00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 3: doctor Dograss is getting so excited. He's like, check how

837
00:51:59,880 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 3: my new neurofeedback program. And I'm like, I'm not doing

838
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:05,160
Speaker 3: eurofeedback with anyone.

839
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:07,400
Speaker 2: Nick. He's gone, yeah, I know. I said, why are

840
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 2: you releasing it?

841
00:52:08,120 --> 00:52:09,880
Speaker 3: He's like, because there are a lot of die hard

842
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,279
Speaker 3: neurofeedback fans out there that just love it. And I

843
00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 3: loved it two decades ago, served a phenomenal.

844
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: Purpose. But now like we've.

845
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 3: Just moved on and we get fa supurior results to

846
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 3: what neurofeedback can achieve.

847
00:52:27,080 --> 00:52:33,520
Speaker 1: So is there any criticism of neurostimulation from psychiatrist, doctors

848
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: and always people.

849
00:52:37,160 --> 00:52:41,480
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're getting criticism, it's because they don't

850
00:52:41,560 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 3: understand what it is that we're doing. I've got a

851
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:47,840
Speaker 3: few psychiatrists now that i'm working with who are just

852
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: it's so interested in what we're doing, and I'm getting

853
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:53,080
Speaker 3: referrals from them.

854
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 2: I've got a guy in Canberra that I work closely with.

855
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:59,160
Speaker 3: We're about to start a research trial for TBI for

856
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: SF like so I sas guys and commandos in and

857
00:53:05,360 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 3: around TVR because DVA doesn't recognize that.

858
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:10,320
Speaker 1: So just for the lists, that's traumatic britin injury. So

859
00:53:10,360 --> 00:53:13,720
Speaker 1: a lot of these guys, obviously our explosions, we're.

860
00:53:13,640 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: Just exposed to last injuries.

861
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 3: Concussion is akin to sorry, opening in parachute is a

862
00:53:19,160 --> 00:53:22,239
Speaker 3: kin to a concussion. DVO doesn't recognize it. So we're

863
00:53:22,239 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 3: going to do some work in that space.

864
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:30,560
Speaker 2: Shortly. What else was I saying?

865
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Speaker 1: It was just about anybody, anybody else who's who's kind

866
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: of doing it around here, or whether there's any any

867
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,080
Speaker 1: professions that are critical of it.

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Speaker 2: So what I.

869
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:44,799
Speaker 3: Do get sometimes is psychologist saying that you know, em

870
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 3: DR doesn't work. And so what I say to them is, oh, that's.

871
00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:52,080
Speaker 2: Not a that's not a reflection on em DR.

872
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:54,920
Speaker 3: That's a reflection on you as a therapist and the

873
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 3: fact that you don't understand your patient's psychophysiology. Em DR

874
00:53:58,640 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 3: works phenomenally well as long as you understand your patient.

875
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:06,719
Speaker 3: And so they don't like People generally don't like me

876
00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 3: sometimes because I'm very upfront and I'll just.

877
00:54:11,480 --> 00:54:12,839
Speaker 2: Basically say it as it is.

878
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:16,800
Speaker 3: But no, I think that the time you get pushed

879
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 3: back is when people go, oh, it's not evidence based.

880
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 3: If I had a dollar for every time someone said that,

881
00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 3: I'd be a multi millionaire. Everything we do is evidence based.

882
00:54:26,680 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 3: It is all science based. Egs have been around since

883
00:54:29,600 --> 00:54:32,040
Speaker 3: late eighteen hundreds for crying out loud, you know, like

884
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 3: grow up.

885
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:39,719
Speaker 1: So either nine published research, peer reviewed research on the

886
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:40,600
Speaker 1: efficacy of the.

887
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,880
Speaker 2: Interventions and the safety.

888
00:54:43,360 --> 00:54:47,840
Speaker 3: Like there's decades and decades and decades. It's just big

889
00:54:47,880 --> 00:54:50,000
Speaker 3: Farmer stands in the way of.

890
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 2: All of this.

891
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 3: Big Farmer used to pay for the research into this,

892
00:54:52,560 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 3: and as soon as they found.

893
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 2: Out how valuable it was for society, they cut funding.

894
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:57,239
Speaker 3: You know.

895
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 2: So there is there is just a lot of evidence

896
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 2: based research.

897
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 1: Cool. So where can people go to find out more

898
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: about you? No, presumably this is not done over zoom.

899
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: It's done in the clinic unfortunately, So and so talk

900
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,120
Speaker 1: to us about where if they if they want to

901
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: come and see you. Gingderbyne, New South Wheels, Victorian Border.

902
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,400
Speaker 2: Yep, so we've got Ginderbaye, New South Wales.

903
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,800
Speaker 3: I've got a clinic in Tamworth in New South Wales

904
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 3: Country Music State. I've got a clinic in Piran in

905
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 3: Victoria in Melbourne.

906
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, I need to come and see I'm gonna come

907
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:39,200
Speaker 1: and see you and you can have a look at

908
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: my brain and you can can you can write a

909
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: research paper on my fucked up head.

910
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 2: Mine too. And then we've got a clinic here in

911
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:50,960
Speaker 2: Western Australia.

912
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 3: So I'm in Perth today at the moment, about to

913
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,960
Speaker 3: go work with some patients and we're in West Perth

914
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,880
Speaker 3: in in w A. I think that's all. Oh, and

915
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:03,440
Speaker 3: Wogga Wogga. We're about to open on the twentieth of

916
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 3: April in Wogga Wogga at the Propatria Center. So again

917
00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:11,760
Speaker 3: Wogger is a big defense area or the little baby

918
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: recruits go to Woggar and then for some reason, so

919
00:56:14,840 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 3: many people want to like get out and transition out

920
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,680
Speaker 3: of defense.

921
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 2: In Woga and live in Woga.

922
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 3: So we're tapping into that space for a lot of

923
00:56:25,200 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: the military guys as well.

924
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: Cool and sobody. If there are a health professional councilor

925
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:35,120
Speaker 1: that's sort of seeing psychologist, psychiatrist who wants to get

926
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 1: into this area, is curious about it, where would you

927
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 1: send down? Would that be your mental Barbara?

928
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 3: Is that the what I would say is just come

929
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:49,080
Speaker 3: and talk to me to start off with I can

930
00:56:49,120 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 3: then put them in touch with DTR Dogris. Doctor Dogris

931
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 3: is actually coming to Australia in September. The answer conferences

932
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 3: on up in the Gold Coast. Tiff and Nick so

933
00:57:03,360 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: doctor Thompson, which is doctor Dogris's wife.

934
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 2: Tiff, she's a keynote speaker in and.

935
00:57:10,120 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 3: Around transcrenial alternating current stimulation technologies. And then Nick and

936
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 3: Tiff are running a boot camp course which is a

937
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: five day in depth course that you would need to

938
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,520
Speaker 3: go and do if you're wanting to get into this space.

939
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:27,360
Speaker 1: And they got to run that in Australia.

940
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:29,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Gold Coast invaluable.

941
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:33,920
Speaker 3: So I've got so my mum, like I said, she's

942
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,480
Speaker 3: a doctor of clinical site. Her one of like family

943
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:40,760
Speaker 3: friends that we grew up with. I'm trying to get

944
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:42,480
Speaker 3: a lot of them up there to go and do

945
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:45,400
Speaker 3: the course. They're all based in Sydney because I just

946
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 3: get so many people so much demand asking me to

947
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 3: open clinics in everywhere Sydney, Brisbane, South Australia. So we

948
00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:56,440
Speaker 3: will eventually get to that. But it's a lot of

949
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,640
Speaker 3: hard work for one person.

950
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 1: No, no, I appreciate that. So five day course in

951
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: the Gold course. Let me get the link off. You

952
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,919
Speaker 1: will put it in the show notes for people who

953
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,439
Speaker 1: may be interested in going to do that. And one

954
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 1: last question, what what do you need to be to

955
00:58:15,600 --> 00:58:19,640
Speaker 1: use this intervention? Presumably you need to be a certified

956
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: health professional of some description.

957
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,240
Speaker 2: No, so it's pretty scary.

958
00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 3: I'm not registered with anyone because if I get registered

959
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 3: with UPRO, they'll come after me.

960
00:58:31,560 --> 00:58:34,800
Speaker 2: So I have had to be very strategic and careful.

961
00:58:34,840 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 3: So I have a psychology background, but I yeah, you

962
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 3: can't because it's just such brand new technology.

963
00:58:42,120 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, So anybody can go and do the

964
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:45,960
Speaker 1: course if they want and want to give it.

965
00:58:46,520 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, as I would be very careful.

966
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:54,880
Speaker 3: I would always make sure someone has a background in health.

967
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, in health, cuning, that sort.

968
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 2: Of stuffy nursing, mental, all that sort of stuff.

969
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, cool, awesome, awesome, this has been this has

970
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: been fascinating stuff. So thank you for your time and

971
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,200
Speaker 1: for your expertise, for being a trail blazer of this

972
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,000
Speaker 1: in Australia.

973
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 2: I appreciate your time. To Paul, thank you