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Speaker 1: Here's one that will introduce our next topic. It's from

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Speaker 1: fighting service and broader community. As firefighters, we're dedicated to

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Speaker 1: the accumulated exposure to carcinogens. We're well aware our industry

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Speaker 1: is listed as one of the most dangerous occupations. We're

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Speaker 1: us and our families is the high risk of developing cancer,

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Speaker 1: which can shorten our lives and place financial burdens on

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Speaker 1: surviving family members. We're asking for the community to reciprocate

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Speaker 1: the support we extend to them by asking the government

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Speaker 1: to acknowledge and accept the bill put to Parliament for

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Speaker 1: the proposed list of presumptive cancers we're at high risk

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Speaker 1: of developing over our career. Please support us and our

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Speaker 1: family kind regards Firefighter fas good on you, Faz. Let's

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Speaker 1: talk about that with Max Adlam, Secretary United Firefighters Union, Max,

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Speaker 1: Good morning, So this sad morning. This legislation will go

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Speaker 1: before Parliament. Now will it state by state presumptive legislation schemes?

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Speaker 1: You want money put aside and increased in what is

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Speaker 2: Well, Matthew, we do in fact have twelve cancers that

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Speaker 2: were introduced in twenty twelve on a bipartisan way and

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Speaker 2: that's happened around Australia. As the science emergers showing the

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Speaker 2: incident of further cancers, they have been extended around Australia

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Speaker 2: and recently in Queensland an additional eleven were included and

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Speaker 2: we've asked the government to do that and we've been

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Speaker 2: in overian uterine and cervical women's reproductive cancers and why

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Speaker 2: we welcomed those. We have also sought coverage for other

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Speaker 2: as well as reducing esophagal cancer eligibility time from twenty

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Speaker 2: consistent with legislation around Australia. And we've called on the

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Speaker 2: We understand that's happened, but for some reason they've hit

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Speaker 1: So you can't get a meeting. Is that unusual?

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Speaker 1: Frankly, Okay, So where to now? Do you need to

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Speaker 2: Matthew will do whatever is necessary at the moment. We're

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Speaker 2: we find it mystifying as to why the state labor

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Speaker 1: Obviously, the issue here is for individual firefighters, even once

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Speaker 2: We can't fully encapsulate firefighters yet and so they are

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Speaker 2: And it's just appalling that the government would turn its

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Speaker 1: Just before you go and speak with Frank Pangelo on

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Speaker 2: I'm concerned, and shows a contempt by this government for

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I think we'd all regard

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Speaker 1: Thank Matthew. Max Adlam, Secretary United Firefighters Union Frank Pangalo

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Speaker 1: seeking to have men legislation before Parliament that includes the

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Speaker 3: Good morning Matthew, and I'm speaking to you just as

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Speaker 3: probably heading off to another dangerous situation. But these firefighters

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Speaker 3: And that's what they were doing, putting their lives on

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Speaker 1: I think most South Australians would expect that any cancers

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Speaker 1: when it comes to firefighting, would have to be covered

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Speaker 1: surely by bad state government.

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Speaker 3: Well, and what Max said was just shocking in itself

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Speaker 3: I mean, that is just absolutely outrageous, it really is.

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Speaker 3: But this is really mean spirited, any pinching by the government.

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Speaker 3: They're covering three female cancers, great, that's good, but they

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Speaker 3: So they shows you, they just provide lip service to

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Speaker 1: Well, as I said, I expect every South Australian would

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Speaker 1: That is not a big ask and very much what

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Speaker 3: Well they know, well, look they know of course that

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Speaker 3: not just trying to save money by avoiding it. Now,

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Speaker 3: and I believe I do have this now, Frank, those amendments.

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Speaker 1: Are you aware are police covered similarly? Because in an

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Speaker 1: firefighters could be there first. I'm aware of police getting

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Speaker 3: that's something we need to look at. But again, I'll

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Speaker 3: go back to my post traumatic stress disorder bill and

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Speaker 3: think of the conference. You know, the situations that confront

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Speaker 3: types of incidents they get called out to and the

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Speaker 3: impact that that would have on their lives. You know,

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Speaker 3: when they go in and make claims rather than put

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Speaker 3: all sorts of hurdles in their way to make it

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Speaker 3: difficult for them.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely appreciate your time. Thank you,