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Speaker 1: Approche production.

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Speaker 2: Across the last year and a half, we've tried in

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Speaker 2: this podcast to uncover and understand which parts of all

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Speaker 2: the information we've gathered irrelevant to Eden's case. Of course,

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Speaker 2: there's been a lot of information put forward. Some of

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Speaker 2: it relates directly to Eden's death, some of it relates

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Speaker 2: to suspicions around what might have happened, and some of

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Speaker 2: it delves into the themes that have come up in

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Speaker 2: the investigation. This episode is about that final point we've

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Speaker 2: heard in the Eden Westbrook case that numerous experts and

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Speaker 2: witnesses have said that there are problems and inconsistencies on

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Speaker 2: how police handled the case from the artset. There are

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Speaker 2: questions about why some key witnesses took more than nine

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Speaker 2: years to be interviewed, and even then it wasn't a

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Speaker 2: And at the heart of this there's a family who

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Speaker 2: nearly ten years ago lost a daughter, a sister, and

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Speaker 2: a friend just one answers. Earlier this month, one of

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Speaker 2: Tasmania's coroners released an inquest into the findings of a

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Speaker 2: lady called Helen Bird. Helen was forty three and lived

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Speaker 3: In twenty ten, Helen Bird was found dead in her

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Speaker 3: shed in Hobart. A police investigation ruled it a suicide.

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Speaker 3: Thirteen years later, the case was re examined by a coroner.

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Speaker 3: He's now found her husband was responsible.

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Speaker 2: You might right now think that what's this got to

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Speaker 2: do with the in Westbrook case. Well, that team have

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Speaker 2: poured over the coronial findings of both cases and want

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Speaker 2: to address some of the striking similarities. The first is

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Speaker 2: that Helen didn't seem to have any reasons to want

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Speaker 2: to take her own life, much like Eden. At the

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Speaker 2: time of their deaths, they were planning for the future.

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Speaker 2: Eden had a camping trip planned with Jason, and.

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Speaker 4: Then she said, look, I'm gonnam, I got to get

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Speaker 4: some stuff for camp. We're going camping this weekend. I'm

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Speaker 2: Jason, I'm just going to ask you, do you remember

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Speaker 2: that drive to go and get supplies for Thanks? Talk

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Speaker 5: We just girls needed stuff camp and that weekend Dad

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Speaker 5: take me down the store and need this need that

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Speaker 5: jumped in the car went down. I stayed in the car.

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Speaker 5: I don't get out. They go and do their stuff,

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Speaker 5: they come back. It was all just simple as that.

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Speaker 2: The coroner of both cases was the same coroner. Each

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Speaker 2: case was deemed a suicide without an inquest. On the

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Speaker 2: thirty first of March twenty eleven. The original coroner found

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Speaker 2: that Helen died of asphyxia and that no other person

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Speaker 2: contributed to her death. In particular, she named Helen's husband,

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Speaker 2: who the coroner found.

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Speaker 6: Had no involvement in her death.

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Speaker 2: He's an extract from Eden's findings without inquest from the

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Speaker 2: same coroner. These are their words, but not their voice.

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Speaker 6: I am satisfied that there are no suspicious circumstances surrounding

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Speaker 3: Back to the Helen Bird case, the couple were married

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Speaker 3: She was a palliative care nurse and the bread winner.

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Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, six years after Helen was found, a

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Speaker 2: female detective got concerned. It was due to new information.

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Speaker 2: There was a fire that destroyed a house where Helen's

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Speaker 2: Mark Bird had fraudulently lodged two previous insurance claims worth

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Speaker 2: He was sent to jail for four years.

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Speaker 3: The court heard he suffered from PTSD, struggled with alcohol

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Speaker 2: Then the real work began. A detective started to investigate further.

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Speaker 2: She spoke to witnesses that said Helen wouldn't have wanted

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Speaker 2: Chief magistrate later reopened the investigation based on new evidence.

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Speaker 2: An inquest was held into Helen's death in late twenty

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Speaker 2: Helen's husband was the one that found her body. He

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Speaker 2: a surprising coincidence, the same constable who failed to undertake

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Speaker 2: one who attended Eden's crime scene. Helen's actual investigation on

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Speaker 2: the day was left to a constable without it seems

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Speaker 2: A constable was also responsible for doing the investigation into

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Speaker 2: Eden's death on behalf of the coroner. With a new

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Speaker 2: in different circumstances. The testing raised doubts and questioned her

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Speaker 2: Further testing concerning a slipknot also raised an issue about

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Speaker 2: the rope in Helen's case had not been kept. This

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Speaker 2: the ones'd just taken place, was handed down fourteen years

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Speaker 3: The coroner, Robert Webster, has found mister Bird likely forced

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Speaker 3: The coroner found mister Bird then tied his wife up

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Speaker 2: The coroner believed that Helen was incapacitated shortly before her death.

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Speaker 2: The coroner believes that the wrote was placed around her neck.

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Speaker 2: Mister Bird then made the scene look like a suicide.

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Speaker 2: He placed a phone at a photo of their kids

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Speaker 2: it seems that the letter was regarded as a suicide

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Speaker 2: new female detective who investigated further checked phone records, calls,

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Speaker 7: Were contrived by mister Bird in order to provide himself

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Speaker 2: The context of these texts in the lead up to

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Speaker 2: mister Bird had given false versions of events to police

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Speaker 2: dollars in life insurance and death benefits. Initially, this didn't

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Speaker 2: spark suspicions by the original investigating police. The coroner that

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Speaker 7: It was inadequate. Investigating police should not accept what they

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Speaker 7: a death by hanging. Such a death should be treated

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Speaker 7: as suspicious death until investigations conclusively establish otherwise.

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Speaker 2: As you've listened to the last ten minutes of content,

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Speaker 2: you can appreciate the similarities with the Westbrook case. The

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Speaker 2: key difference here is that the matter was reopened by

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Speaker 2: the direction of the Chief Magistrate and a coronial inquest

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Speaker 2: determination of the female detective. A full autopsy was done

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Speaker 2: by a highly experienced forensic pathologist in Hobart. Eden's was

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Speaker 2: done at Lonceston General Hospital by a pathologist. The autopsy

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Speaker 2: photos in Eden's case haven't been handed over to an

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Speaker 2: independent expert authorized by the Westbrooks, despite concerning evidence from

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Speaker 2: Eden's sister about the possibility of blunt for's trauma and

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Speaker 2: comments made by Kim, the delivery driver who first found Eden.

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Speaker 2: In the case of Helen's death, the forensic pathologist highlighted.

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Speaker 8: The difficulties in distinguishing are hanging by suicide, the possibility

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Speaker 2: From what we can see, it appears the pathologist undertaking

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Speaker 2: Eden's autopsy didn't consider alternative scenarios, but we have not

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Speaker 2: had the benefit of reading the autopsy report. The expert

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Speaker 2: engaged number half of the Westbrooks has but has been

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Speaker 2: stymied in finalizing the report due to the non provision

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Speaker 9: I have never faced this problem before, and I'm astounded

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Speaker 9: in other words, whether they should be viewing them or not.

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Speaker 9: But as far as I'm concerned as a consultant forensic

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Speaker 9: and it's the same for every case with the appropriate

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Speaker 9: And as I said, before they form part of the

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Speaker 9: post mortem examination. They're not just an addendum. They're there

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Speaker 9: any other investigations such as toxicology, which are always made available. Now.

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Speaker 9: Each state differs in their requirements as to what hurdles

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Speaker 9: able to obtain the photographs, although sometimes it's been somewhat.

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Speaker 10: Difficult both of these. When I read the decision in

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Speaker 10: the Helen Bird case, both hanging cases involves a victim

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Speaker 10: with no real motive to commit suicide. Both victims had

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Speaker 11: I was relieved.

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Speaker 10: I was angry today.

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Speaker 11: I was believed because I think that if we had

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Speaker 11: prove Eden did not take her own life, and that

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Speaker 11: in fact, people are using suicide as a weapon to

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Speaker 10: Was extremely concerned. I was concerned for the fact that

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Speaker 10: it proves that an office can get things wrong, and

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Speaker 10: it saddens me that it takes so many years for

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Speaker 10: someone's troops to come out. We only got to the

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Speaker 10: Helen Bird outcome due to a diligent police officer who

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Speaker 10: on the side of the desk over years looked into

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Speaker 10: this as she found it unusual death with Alan's case,

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Speaker 10: and unfortunately, as you knowj we don't have anyone like

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Speaker 10: that's willing to put it on the side of the

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Speaker 10: desk and look into this deeper.

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Speaker 2: One of the things we're most interested in the case

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Speaker 2: of Helen Bird is the investigations that was done around

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Speaker 2: the rope. That rope was never tested for DNA. The

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Speaker 2: rope in Eden's death was also the same and it

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Speaker 10: Look, it gives us leverage this outcome with the Helen

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Speaker 10: I don't know what you'd call it, is a solid

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Speaker 11: The police has said that, we said that the rope

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Speaker 11: that's the case, don't you think the police would have

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Speaker 11: something like no one.

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Speaker 1: Asked us, But they didn't.

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Speaker 11: They didn't do anything like that because it was all

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Speaker 10: Because that's what's that's why a man's a get angry.

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Speaker 1: It looks like that's what.

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Speaker 10: The conclusion of Eden committing suicide because on the morning

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Speaker 1: I did not say that as the twisting of my word,

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Speaker 10: So if that's the reason that Eden's committed susie, because

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Speaker 10: she's taken a craypot rape from the Westbrook residence on

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Speaker 10: decided to hang herself, wouldn't you, as an investigative officer

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Speaker 10: go to the Westbrook home, sees the craypot that may

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Speaker 10: have had the rope removed, to see if it was

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Speaker 10: to be done at no stays, Jahre is at no stays.

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Speaker 10: Did we see any police officers or investigating officers at

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Speaker 10: our home asking about a rope that may have come

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Speaker 10: because there was no crypts ropes taken from my home.

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Speaker 10: Eden did not leave this property with a rope. As

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Speaker 10: you know, we know the rape come from the wharf

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Speaker 10: spacific name for. In the RT eyes we can see

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Speaker 10: there's been no investigations into the source of the rope.

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Speaker 2: On the weekend just passed. Jackie Lamby visited Jason and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really really lovely.

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Speaker 10: Sod down to earth. It was like talking to my district,

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Speaker 10: you know what I mean. It was just so real,

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Speaker 10: career and defense, which I believe is in the book.

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Speaker 10: I haven't read the book. Get Jackie sorry. And she

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Speaker 10: was just around, yeah, right into our garden and the.

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Speaker 1: Fees and our way of living.

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Speaker 10: And she spoke about her mother's love for fees and

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Speaker 2: She also got the chance to join you down at

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Speaker 1: Yes, Jackie is really.

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Speaker 10: Again.

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Speaker 1: She took time out of her busy schedule to pursue

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Speaker 10: To hear it, it's different to see it.

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Speaker 9: Jay, When you're actually at the park, you feel it.

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Speaker 10: You feel where Eden died. You feel how close to

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Speaker 10: people that have listened to your podcasts that have come

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Speaker 11: And she was enthusiastic, and she has no intention of

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Speaker 1: It's moving, it's nice.

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Speaker 10: I just found it truly humbling, mate, you know. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jason and Amanda have already put some of these questions

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Speaker 2: to the Attorney General Guy Barnatt. The Helen Bird case

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Speaker 2: shows how the system can sometimes get it terribly wrong

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Speaker 2: and the length of time it takes to rectify such mistakes.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen years of unnecessary trauma and heightening grieving for family

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Speaker 2: Eden's death. Jason and Amanda Westbrook and their family deserve

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