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Speaker 1: Approache production.

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Speaker 2: If you get arrested, make sure it's before midday because

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Speaker 2: you go to sil Water. Anything after the mid day

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Speaker 2: you're going to Parkley.

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Speaker 3: That's true.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so I did.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you've got to cause the scene for

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Speaker 2: a couple of hours, you know late, that's a little

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Speaker 2: bit of a intake at silver Water finishes at I

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Speaker 2: think midday because the transport truck stopped all that sort

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Speaker 2: of stuff, and anything coming after that they go to

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Speaker 2: Parkley because intake stops at midday silk Water for whatever

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Speaker 2: the reason, so they'll stop taking in mates in. Anything

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Speaker 2: that's coming after that goes directly to Parkley. So they're

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Speaker 2: both are remand centers for New South Wales. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: out of Surrey Hills or court locations straight to Parkley.

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Speaker 2: That's obviously the males privately owned.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, probably owned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so when I was working there it was Gudeo

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Speaker 2: Group and the last couple of months it was MTC

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Speaker 2: Broad Spectrum. So yeah, both the owned just transferred over.

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Speaker 3: And what what what's what's the what what's the main

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Speaker 3: difference of being privately owned and being like a normal

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Speaker 3: like civil water jail.

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Speaker 1: What's the difference privately owned very understaffed.

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Speaker 3: So prison guards are same the same, or they get

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Speaker 3: their own.

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Speaker 1: No, look it's it's different.

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Speaker 2: Look there's it's understaffed in terms of and very very

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Speaker 2: unsafe to working. That's just from my experience. I'm not

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Speaker 2: too sure speaking on behalf anyone else. You're in a

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Speaker 2: wing with one hundred crims men and there's two or

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Speaker 2: three officers, you know what I mean, So you think

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Speaker 2: about if something breaks off, but I don't. I don't

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Speaker 2: care how big you are or how good you are

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Speaker 2: at fighting. It's it's it's basically one hundred verse three,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. So I learned a lot

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Speaker 2: from it, learned a lot of I guess, more so

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Speaker 2: life skills man and and how to deal with situations

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Speaker 2: and reading reading the room, I guess is the right

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Speaker 2: term for for the for this time. And once you

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Speaker 2: work in there, you know when when the tensions up

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Speaker 2: and it's about to kick off, and you know where

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Speaker 2: to position yourself in terms of you body position. Never

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Speaker 2: corn yourself, you know what I mean. Never be in

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Speaker 2: a blind spot where you don't know what's around you,

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Speaker 2: and you always be someone else. It's the first thing

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Speaker 2: that they taught us. Never go anywhere in the jail alone. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it doesn't matter if you're under the fucking toilet like legit,

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Speaker 2: Like if you're walking into the wing on your own.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter how good you've had it or how

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Speaker 2: good that the rapport is with the inmates. Always going

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Speaker 2: with someone else. Always make sure that you know what

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Speaker 2: you're doing is the right thing to do, because I

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Speaker 2: guess with the type, with the caliber of people you're

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Speaker 1: That's the That's the way I've seen it.

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Speaker 3: So's a lot of them try and make friends with you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot, man, a lot. The first week was fun,

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Speaker 2: ay like it was, I don't know for me it was,

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Speaker 2: it was enjoyable. I never really look, don't get me wrong,

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Speaker 2: to shit myself. The first week I walked in there,

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Speaker 2: I went straight up to Area five in Parkley, and

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Speaker 2: it's just so.

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Speaker 3: What is Area five? Just as people who want to

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Speaker 3: know what's Area five?

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Speaker 2: Area five is the mains So obviously it's split up

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Speaker 2: into three different wings five, A, B and C. So

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Speaker 2: when I was there, five as the working pot. So

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Speaker 2: generally people that obviously want to you know, make do

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Speaker 2: to five. A good thing about that is half the

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Speaker 2: wings cleared out in the morning, so you're only dealing

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Speaker 2: with half the inmates. So about thirty plus five B

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Speaker 2: and five C you're dealing with. I guess you know

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Speaker 2: some pretty hard ass criminals and boys that are you know,

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Speaker 2: very very very hard to deal with, and a lot

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Speaker 2: you've got to think about it this way. They're not sentence,

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Speaker 2: they're waiting to be sentenced. They could be sitting in

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Speaker 2: Parkley for years man before before they know how long

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Speaker 2: they're Therefore, so for them, there's there's no in game

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Speaker 2: at the moment, especially when they've there's boys that have

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Speaker 2: they might go to lift go Bathurst or another remands out.

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Speaker 2: So that's that main area there. Then it's separated into

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Speaker 2: the smaps in l A's so the protection So I

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Speaker 3: Who's mostly in that one pedophiles. I guess sex offenders.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, main majority of them sex defenders, and I guess

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Speaker 2: ones that that that come into jail, and they know

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Speaker 2: jail's not for them, and they probably go up to

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Speaker 2: area place like Area five, get stood over or carry

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Speaker 2: a crew one inside and then straight there, you know

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Speaker 2: what I mean. So but look, I guess from what

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Speaker 2: doesn't matter what area you're in, they'll get you. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: but yeah, five five, Area five was like I said

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Speaker 3: Going back to that, how did how did it get it?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: Is it the guards are paid off?

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Speaker 1: Is it?

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Speaker 3: How did it get here? Like an inmate wants to

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Speaker 3: get a pedophile or inmates to get to someone who

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Speaker 3: who knows just come in for protection, how would he

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Speaker 2: Look, there's there's certain things that happened in the jail,

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Speaker 2: worked with that that were paid off and stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: The one thing I learned I guess early on is

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Speaker 2: you know, take your emotions out of the job, because

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Speaker 2: if you bring your emotions in that place, it's going

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Speaker 2: to be very difficult to do your job properly. You

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Speaker 2: know what I mean, you're judging, you're judging pedophiles. Like,

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Speaker 2: don't get me wrong with it, everyone's gonna judge them.

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Speaker 2: But when you're trying to do a job properly and

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Speaker 2: your I guess your judgment's obscured based on what you know,

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Speaker 2: it's fucked. And same with the boys in Area five.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: They've bashed someone on the day before, you ain't gonna

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Speaker 2: judge them for it, you know what I mean. And

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Speaker 2: that's something that I guess probably the best thing I

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Speaker 1: Whatever happens the day before.

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Speaker 3: Did you ever turn the blind?

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Speaker 1: None? Ever turn the blind? Die.

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Speaker 2: My rule and what I learned with the boys is

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Speaker 2: regardless of what they're in for. If kill someone drugs,

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Speaker 2: Don't do it in front of me, because then I

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Speaker 2: after write stuff. A very simple rule. It wasn't nothing,

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Speaker 2: you know what you gain a lot of respect that way.

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Speaker 2: You don't come into your house and I'll tell you

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Speaker 2: what to do it in the you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: that's your fucking house. So whether it's jail or whether

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Speaker 2: I'm coming over to your home on the outside, it's

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Speaker 2: the same thing, you know what I mean, You're always

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Speaker 1: That's the way I looked at it.

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Speaker 2: Always had a lot of respect for the people in there,

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Speaker 2: because think about it this way, man, I've worked in

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Speaker 2: the jails for what three three and a half years.

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Speaker 2: These blokes have been in jail for twenty plus years

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Speaker 2: some of them, and you know, going in there and

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Speaker 2: I found it disrespectful. I found the job a lot

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Speaker 1: I took that approach.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, some learned the hard way, and you just got

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Speaker 2: to adapt to all the situations, man like, because you

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Speaker 2: can go for weeks for nothing happening.

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Speaker 1: You can go for two weeks with fights every day.

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Speaker 3: You know, when you've been a new guard, did you

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look we did when we did our little I

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Speaker 2: know when there's like I guess, a new a new

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they test your Yeah, they test you a lot

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Speaker 2: They test you in obviously trying to bring stuff in

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Speaker 2: like being on the outside, your mind sticking, you're busy,

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Speaker 2: you're doing everything. These boys know me, and like they

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Speaker 1: They deal with you every day. Man.

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Speaker 2: They judge your they observe you, look at your head

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Speaker 2: know everything. Man, they know if your shirt's not. I

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Speaker 2: and they know they see your your demeanor diminished, they

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Speaker 3: Did some of them trying to get into your privately

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Speaker 3: or not?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 1: No, man, absolutely, Look I'm fortunate enough.

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Speaker 2: No, I went into work to work, not to to

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Speaker 2: save the day, or it will be a RoboCop. I

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Speaker 2: think you've spoken about this old affair and that's the

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Speaker 2: best way to approach it. So anyone that actually wants

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Speaker 2: to do the job just going and treat it as

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Speaker 2: a job. Man, don't ever think it. Don't go in

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Speaker 2: there thinking that more creamsy charge inside of the jail,

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Speaker 2: the more fucking whatever it is you going to get.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't work like that, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 2: So getting your job, make sure all the boys are

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Speaker 1: Go home. The less PaperWorks, the better, I guess.

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Speaker 3: It's like any job that's that sounds like when I

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Speaker 3: was like I was working on the Cross and I

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Speaker 3: used to do a lot of standovers. It's like I

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Speaker 3: I go to the Cross and I'm putting it on

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Speaker 3: fucking people who or what you like that, it's a

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Speaker 3: different me. Yeah, And that's what I felt like it

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Speaker 3: would be like for you guys. You go in there

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Speaker 3: and it's like you could be the most family person

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Speaker 3: but when you go to work.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I got. I got pretty comfortable

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Speaker 2: I got to a point where I was sitting in

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Speaker 3: So they didn't get much privileges like that. Well was

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Speaker 2: No, Look, there's there's not that much privilege, man like,

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Speaker 3: In one day how many how many hours did they

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Speaker 3: Turn it up and you're thinking it, who's fucking necked

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Speaker 2: Fortunately enough I didn't have to open a door and

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Speaker 2: for obvious reasons, there's more chance of a pedophile neck

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Speaker 2: high profile bliky et cetera, et cetera. You know, these boys,

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Speaker 2: It's for them, and there's a lot of I guess

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Speaker 2: three times a day. Sorry, I'll get my medical stuff

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