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Speaker 1: Appoche production. Today we're going to be chatting with Levi,

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Speaker 1: Soid welcome back to the show. When we're talking about

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Speaker 1: the pain that's associated with trauma, so emotional pain, physical pain.

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Speaker 1: So we're really going to unpack that today. So as

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Speaker 1: a coach, what would you say, is there like a

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Speaker 1: more common type of pain that you see a lot

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean there's so many different pains, right, And

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Speaker 2: you can have gut pain, which is so common like

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Speaker 2: ibs that the people have got so much pain. You've

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Speaker 2: got endometriosis, which has pain associated with all the time.

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Speaker 2: You've got headache pain, migrain, you've got lower back pain,

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Speaker 2: you've got knee pain, You've got pretty much every single

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Speaker 2: disease or condition can have pain associated with it. And

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Speaker 2: sometimes conditions don't have pain associated but they're horrendously disastrous.

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Speaker 2: But pain is just exhausting. When you've got pain associated

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Speaker 2: with something, you're energy levels are just so low all

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Speaker 2: the time. It's just so fatiguing, and it's just like

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Speaker 2: carrying a heavy weight with you all day every day.

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Speaker 2: So that pain is connected to that block stress in

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Speaker 2: the body. Pain is just another beautiful signal right, But

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Speaker 2: it's just saying, hey, there's inflammation here, or hey, please

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Speaker 2: don't keep thinking this way, or please don't keep overloading

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Speaker 2: yourself like this, or hey, three hours of sleep isn't

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Speaker 2: good enough. Can you please help me a little bit recover? Right,

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Speaker 2: And we don't listen to it, and it sort of

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Speaker 2: goes okay, a little bit of pain, it shuts up,

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Speaker 2: and then it goes okay, try this for size. I'm

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Speaker 2: trying to tell you something again here, pain or any

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Speaker 2: of our conditions. You could I don't be playing tennis

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Speaker 2: and you go over on your ankle and you've got

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Speaker 2: a certain amount of pain. Now, obviously that's a contact thing.

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Speaker 2: Whether you're saying your muscles a week because you're not recovering,

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Speaker 2: or you might be going through an emotional stress, which

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Speaker 2: is that's an association, but it is. It's just a

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Speaker 2: physical majority thing where the most of my pain is

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Speaker 2: just a response to a huge amount of inflammation because

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Speaker 2: I've torn a muscle or a ligament here. Right, The

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Speaker 2: amount of times that somebody's period pain has been fixed

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Speaker 2: just through taking magnesiums in can be six and all

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Speaker 2: of a sudden they come back and they're like, I'm

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Speaker 2: a different person. We haven't cleared any trauma, but it's

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Speaker 2: just like, hey, during these times, I just need extra

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Speaker 2: amount of this nutrient, right, And because you haven't given

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Speaker 2: that to me and you haven't been able to, I'm

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Speaker 2: going to throw out these extra symptoms to say back,

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Speaker 2: the fuck off, don't do as much work. And you're like, no,

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Speaker 2: I can do it through this, and a lot of

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Speaker 2: women just push right through. And as we become more

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Speaker 2: connected to our body and listening, etc. And I've seen

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Speaker 2: that with you Ash, you back off and it's like

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Speaker 2: where you can. Life happens obviously, but you sort of

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Speaker 2: listen in and you go, I can only be at

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Speaker 2: a seven out of ten during this period. Plus I

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Speaker 2: need some extra sleep, I may need some extra nutrients.

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Speaker 2: And so a lot of times we can resolve that

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Speaker 2: pain or the excessive pain for PMS just with that

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Speaker 2: extra supplementation. So we've got there can be a physic

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Speaker 2: call cause of pain, there can be a nutritional deficiency,

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Speaker 2: but the majority of pain that people go through is

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Speaker 2: what we call chronic pain, and chronic pain is really

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Speaker 2: defined as anything that lasts over six months. Now again,

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Speaker 2: I'm at that point with chronic pain where I hate

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Speaker 2: to use percentages, but I would say ninety five percent

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Speaker 2: of chronic pain is just an unsafe nervous system. So

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Speaker 2: it's fear in the body, and majority of that isn't

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Speaker 2: the food, and it's actually the body is now, you know,

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Speaker 2: which is really smart. It goes I've perceived that this food,

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Speaker 2: this causes the bloating, and the bloating equals the pain initially,

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Speaker 2: but it's now just remembering that this is a condition,

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Speaker 2: or this is a position, or this is an emotion

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Speaker 2: that causes this. And so what we do to reverse

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Speaker 2: that is show the body that this is now safe

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Speaker 2: and people can now eat gluten again, they can now

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Speaker 2: eat dairy again. An example is you know someone that

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Speaker 2: walks in and had been through almost everything, just about

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Speaker 2: to have their backs like fused. They're having injections just

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Speaker 2: to manage the pain, and within really within an hour

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Speaker 2: and a half, they're touching their toes, they're swaying. In

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Speaker 2: a session or when you can use music and use vibration,

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Speaker 2: breathing so that your nervous systems calm and I can

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Speaker 2: help you regulate the current emotions so you're in a

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Speaker 2: then you can go back home and you're stressed or

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Speaker 2: And that's where like sometimes you get a benefit and

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Speaker 2: the nervous system's not safe. Now we need to Actually,

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Speaker 2: it's like a little light bulb that goes there's underlying

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Speaker 2: trauma or block stress there that we now have to release,

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Speaker 2: and when that's all gone, then the pain never comes back.

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Speaker 2: Anything short term up to six months. Really, it can

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Speaker 2: be just physical. In a physical pain. Let's say I've

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Speaker 2: got a knee pain and I just keep doing squats

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Speaker 2: with an imbalanced muscles and I'm creating that inflammation all

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Speaker 2: the time. Then that's also physical, right. But when we're

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Speaker 2: talking about these long term standing things where it's a year,

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Speaker 2: two years, three is twenty years of just constant migraines

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Speaker 2: or constant pain. And what we have of these conditions

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Speaker 2: a lot of the time where someone will start with

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Speaker 2: ibs this is a pattern I've seen all the time.

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Speaker 2: Then they go to fibroma allergia, which is another condition

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Speaker 2: that's basically says it's pain from unknown causes, right, whether

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Speaker 2: they have this idiopathic pain. And there's so many of

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Speaker 2: these diseases where the definition is we don't know why,

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Speaker 2: but it's just pain that we don't know in the

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Speaker 2: kidney or the bladder or the lum or whatever. Basically,

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Speaker 2: when we see this pain, when we're trying to lean

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Speaker 2: into and go because it's quite confusing, Now it goes well,

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Speaker 2: is this pain only physical or is it from a

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Speaker 2: lack of recovery or nutrition? Or is it emotional? The

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Speaker 2: first step is we ask these questions and we go okay.

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Speaker 2: First up, has it been over six months? And is

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Speaker 2: the pain still there? If it is, then that's one

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Speaker 2: little tick where we go, oh, this could be solely emotional.

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Speaker 2: Next is does my pain sort of switched and change

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Speaker 2: does it go away or does some days when I'm calm?

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Speaker 2: Is it up and down? And if we go yeah,

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Speaker 2: this could be again an emotional source of pain. Then

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Speaker 2: we go does it involve it started with one thing

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Speaker 2: and it's just keeps the adding on in different areas.

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Speaker 2: You know, I didn't fall over at tennis. There was

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Speaker 2: on top of each other. That again indicates us, this

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Speaker 2: a lot of fear inside and that this position or

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Speaker 2: what we're doing is not safe. It's just a little

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Speaker 2: oil light again, trying to get us to listen. Listen, listen,

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Speaker 2: and we're not. And the body's basically trialing some strategies

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Speaker 2: give you pain, you seem to stop doing something. If

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Speaker 2: I've got a pain in my shoulder, what happens normally

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Speaker 2: shoulder joint will hyper contract to try and basically say

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Speaker 2: lower back your ql and your so ass will squeeze

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Speaker 2: It's doing that because it cares it's trying to say

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Speaker 2: you are injuring me, stop moving, and everyone goes, I'm

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Speaker 2: just going to take extra voltare right now and still

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Speaker 2: do my movements right, still going to play stuff that's

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Speaker 2: hurting my shoulder. We obviously need to manage it. We

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Speaker 2: need to listen to that and go, Okay, this movement's

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Speaker 2: initial period, I need to listen to that sign. I

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Speaker 2: see someone like a physio or a cara or whatever

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Speaker 2: that manages these muscle imbalances and see whether, hey, maybe

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Speaker 2: my posture rounding over all the time is tighten these

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Speaker 2: side like this and now one side's tighter. There's so

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Speaker 2: many physical causes. But when we have these hyper pain.

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Speaker 2: And this is the cool thing to know that function

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Speaker 2: posture doesn't equal pain. If you go into a physio

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Speaker 2: you've got this massive posture like this, they'll be like Okay,

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Speaker 2: so you've got impingement. We can see that your burs

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Speaker 2: is inflamed, and you've got winging scapula. There's the reason,

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Speaker 2: and it's not always the reason. It is not great,

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Speaker 2: and we'd like to reverse that, but it doesn't equal pain.

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Speaker 2: But when we correlate that and to the same part,

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Speaker 2: there's been studies that show that I think it's sixty

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Speaker 2: five percent of people without back pain have bulging discs.

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Speaker 2: Just because you've got a bulging disc and we do

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Speaker 2: have lower back pain at the moment, that's correlation. It

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Speaker 2: doesn't equal why the pain is there. It just says

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Speaker 2: you might have had that bulging disc for twenty years.

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Speaker 2: We don't know. And also we have people that go

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Speaker 2: through back pain where you know, I've been through back

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Speaker 2: then all of a sudden it's better. Just so happened

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Speaker 2: to happen at a really high stress financial time. But regardless,

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Speaker 2: did my bulging discs stop then now it's probably still bulging.

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Speaker 2: So what is the cause of this pain? Right? It's

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Speaker 2: not always equal to function. That's what we see.

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Speaker 1: I have a question. I'd love to know your opinion

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Speaker 1: around it, because I one hundred percent believe there is

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Speaker 1: a time and place for certain medications and whatever. But

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Speaker 1: I do think we're living in a society where as

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Speaker 1: soon as there's any type of pain, it's just like

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Speaker 1: straight to the doctors, take this tablet, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: Even like basically Panadole and Europe and Voltaire and Excepta

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Speaker 1: and I've taken it. I'm not saying I'm fully against it,

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Speaker 1: But what's your opinion around all of that? Like how

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Speaker 1: can we always get this message out there that there's

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Speaker 1: always a root cause? And when do you think is

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Speaker 1: the time and place? Like I'm assuming you don't ever

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Speaker 1: take panadoll, what would you do with it? Creasy headache

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Speaker 1: on migraine.

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Speaker 2: So this is what we want to do is let's

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Speaker 2: say I do an injury right away, There's going to

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Speaker 2: be great inflammation in that area, and our job is

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Speaker 2: want to limit the amount of inflammation that's created. I

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Speaker 2: also want to listen in and go, okay, I'm not

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Speaker 2: going to keep moving my body in that area, so

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Speaker 2: straight away I should stop the activity. A lot of

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Speaker 2: times the muscular contraction there, you know, like say, if

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Speaker 2: like this. Then I want to add ice to it

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Speaker 2: to reduce the inflammation. Then I would also get people

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Speaker 2: we're wanting to minimize the inflammation because however much inflammation

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Speaker 2: eat that inflammation up before it can start to heal.

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Speaker 2: And so there are certain times where medication is brilliant.

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Speaker 2: And in regards to just a simple headache, if I

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Speaker 2: today and I need to be thinking clearly, take panadole,

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Speaker 2: you know, like that may help, and if it does, fantastic,

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Speaker 2: but don't just keeping taking it every day from now on.

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Speaker 2: That's not the cause of your issue. The three number

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Speaker 2: one ways that the research says that we can regulate

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Speaker 2: our emotions and mind and thoughts with our body is

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Speaker 2: breathing deep breathing in the belly using that vagus nerve.

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Speaker 2: We've got humming or singing, and touch. They're the top

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Speaker 2: three where we're using body up regulation of our body,

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Speaker 2: but movement for me, I think they've either missed that

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Speaker 2: in the research. Jumping makes sense to me as well.

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Speaker 2: Any sort of percussion or movement or anything that gets

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Speaker 2: that out is essential