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Speaker 1: From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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Speaker 1: The federal government says it won't give quote preferential treatment

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Speaker 1: Iran has renegged on a promise to stop attacking its

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Speaker 1: neighbors and assaulted the Gulf States with an array of

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Speaker 1: drones and missiles. That's as the US indicates the war

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Speaker 1: is nowhere near over.

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Speaker 2: Today.

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Speaker 1: Our correspondent in the Middle East, Jonnie Basham, is here

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Speaker 1: to talk about the mood in Israel as this war widens.

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Speaker 1: Spoiler it involves a lot of comfort eating. Jonni Vashan

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Speaker 1: is the Australian's correspondent in Israel and Yonni, you're a

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Speaker 1: foodie and I've been detecting some signs that you've been

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Speaker 1: hangry over the past week or so. I know it's

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Speaker 1: not the biggest problem anyone's got in Israel right now.

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Speaker 2: But why have you been hungry?

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Speaker 3: You're not the only one who thinks I've been hungry.

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Speaker 4: One of our News Corp colleagues, Sophi Elsworth, is here

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Speaker 4: and all she ever does is ask me if I'm

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Speaker 4: tired and hungry, and if so, how far away should

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Speaker 4: she run? But it's really quite unfair, like I'm eating

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Speaker 4: reasonably well. But the problem with being a war correspondent,

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Speaker 4: or being a foreign correspondent, you don't get three meals

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Speaker 4: a day, and sometimes your meals are a handful of

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Speaker 4: cashier nuts and a protein shake if you can find it.

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Speaker 3: But that's the job, isn't it. We're not supposed to

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Speaker 3: be sitting down and having a three course meal every day.

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Speaker 1: There was a famous story about sixty minutes back in

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Speaker 1: the day, sixty minutes with the famous journo Richard Carlton

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Speaker 1: showed up and then they had to leave their hotel.

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Speaker 1: I don't know why the story was finished, basically, and

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Speaker 1: when other journals came in it was full of kind

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Speaker 1: of caveat and smoked salmon, and they had supplied themselves

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Speaker 1: incredibly well. I think that maybe the old school war

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Speaker 1: correspondents had the right idea.

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Speaker 4: Well, look, I've done this a couple of times, and

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Speaker 4: I feel like the best way to fortify yourself for

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Speaker 4: hunger is whenever you stop to get petrol by a

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Speaker 4: large number of yogurts protein bars, And that's kind of

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Speaker 4: what you have to break in case of emergency. And

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Speaker 4: there's constantly emergency around here. There's never enough food. All

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Speaker 4: the best restaurants are closed, coffee shops aren't open. Life

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Speaker 4: is sort of slowly returning to normal here, but it's

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Speaker 4: still taking a while for ordinary life to just return

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Speaker 4: to the way it was where you can just find

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Speaker 2: This is a culture that loves food.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the whole tradition of the Friday night shab

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Speaker 1: but dinner is so central to Jewish culture, in Israeli culture.

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Speaker 1: And you went off to a supermarket the other day

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Speaker 1: to speak to some moms basically about what they're cooking

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Speaker 1: for their families in these shelters to get them through

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Speaker 1: the long hours of boredom. I love to read that

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Speaker 1: it was comfort food.

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Speaker 3: It was comfort food. I expected that i'd show up.

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Speaker 4: I mean what I did was I chose a very

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Speaker 4: people as they walked out with their trolleers, and just said,

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Speaker 4: what's in there? What are you cooking, what's for dinner tonight?

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Speaker 4: How are you finding this war? What are you doing

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Speaker 3: And overwhelmingly what I found was people just buying snacks

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Speaker 1: And we want to give our kids something that they

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Speaker 1: know that we'll be on the table some.

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Speaker 2: You know homeswee home kind of feeling.

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Speaker 4: And I sort of asked them why, because we all

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Speaker 4: know it's not very sustaining to just survive on pringles

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Speaker 4: and sneakers, bars and things like that. But what they

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Speaker 4: every two hours, sometimes multiple times an hour, comfort food

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Speaker 3: Even the people who aren't cooking. There's just a mood

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Speaker 4: It's there's something comforting about reaching for food that is

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Speaker 3: There is something comforting about that don't.

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Speaker 1: You think, Oh yeah, completely, absolutely, But I mean most

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Speaker 1: lot of forbearance in Israelis, isn't there. I mean they

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Speaker 1: right now. But they're also really feisty. I'm intrigued about

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Speaker 1: war in Gaza was, although initially popular, becoming unpopular as

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Speaker 1: it dragged on, Wasn't it with Israelis to.

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Speaker 4: An extent, I think I think it would be fair

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Speaker 4: to say that the war in Gaza was seen as

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Speaker 4: there was a lot of popular support for the war

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Speaker 4: in Gaza when before the war started, So just after

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Speaker 4: October seven, there was a lot of polling that was

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Speaker 4: being done of Israelis and the support for going in

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Speaker 4: and routing Commas, which has always been the objective of

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Speaker 4: the war. It wasn't to go in at Flat and Gaza.

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Speaker 4: The popularity for going in and getting rid of this

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Speaker 4: problem that existed beyond the border and which brought a

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Speaker 4: massacre into Israel. And October seven that was always like

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Speaker 4: remarkably high. I can't record the exact figure, but it

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Speaker 4: was certainly above eighty percent. It might have even been

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Speaker 4: above ninety percent. As the war dragged on, that pared

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Speaker 4: this is a very different equation with Iran.

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Speaker 3: The support for the war on Iran is as highs

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Speaker 4: The same heights, as it was for the war on Gaza.

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Speaker 4: And it's because Israelis recognized that this is not a

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Speaker 4: sustainable situation to have a country that's not located very

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Speaker 4: far away that can launch ballistic missiles at you on

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Speaker 4: a whim. And I actually remind people who are listening,

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Speaker 4: like it doesn't take hours for a ballistic missile to

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Speaker 4: reach Israel. Ballistic missile launch from Iran takes eight or

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Speaker 4: nine minutes. And by the time you, the citizen of Israel,

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Speaker 4: get notified this five hundred kilogram warhead at times is

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Speaker 4: which is fine if you're forty one year old male

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Speaker 4: that takes the KERRALI I did a story a couple

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Speaker 4: National Ambulance Service here the again David Adam. I was

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Speaker 4: speaking to one of their representatives who told me that

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Speaker 4: this war with Iran differed from the last war that

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Speaker 4: that more people are heeding the warnings to get into

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Speaker 4: People aren't hanging around to stand on their balconies and

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Speaker 4: film the rockets coming in. And it's resulting in fewer

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Speaker 4: people being killed, obviously, and it's also resulting in far

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Speaker 4: fewer people being seriously injured. People are getting injured here,

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Speaker 4: but they're injuries are slight or minor. They're not as

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Speaker 1: So they're in this enormous personal peril. They're obviously scared

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Speaker 1: because they're taking those warnings seriously, So why are they

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Speaker 1: supporting the war? I wonder And I heard Ahod Olma,

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Speaker 1: been critical of the Garza war. He was saying, thank god,

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Speaker 1: this is not about Israel. Thank god America has attacked

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Speaker 1: Iran because Donald Trump says that Iran is a threat

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Speaker 1: to America. But it's not. It's kind of not our fault.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that's also what's going on in Israeli minds.

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Speaker 1: It is that why the war is popular, even though

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Speaker 4: Israeli see this as a just war because they've got

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Speaker 4: a neighbor in Iran, which is openly trying to obtain

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Speaker 4: a nuclear weapon. Its leadership in the IIGC. I mean,

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Speaker 4: they say things on a regular basis like death to

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Speaker 4: war is particularly popular with israelis The fact that America

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Speaker 4: Iran with a nuclear weapon poses a direct threat to

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Speaker 4: the war is certainly popular with Israelis, you would imagine

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Speaker 4: this still as Israel's war that America is fighting. I

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Speaker 1: There's been some polls that suggest that Benjamin Netna Who

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Speaker 1: He's got at least three corruption trials looming, ranging from

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Speaker 2: Who going to be the beneficiary.

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Speaker 1: Of the support for this war or do you think

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Speaker 1: israelis kind of separate that in their minds and they'll

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's an interesting question because the latest polling certainly

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Speaker 4: shows a bump for his Liquid Party. If an election

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Speaker 3: Would lose some skin.

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Speaker 4: If you spend a lot of time in Tel Aviv,

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Speaker 4: as most reporters do, including myself, you will fall into

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Speaker 3: But it's just not the case.

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Speaker 4: You do have to leave the population centers like Tel

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Speaker 4: the leader that Israel needs. There's a lot of criticism

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Speaker 4: circumstances leading up to it, but this is a guy

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Speaker 4: who's largely seen as the only person who could convince

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Speaker 4: America to join this war, to run a joint US

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Speaker 4: Israel war against Iranian regime. Much of what is occurring

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Speaker 4: at the moment, the war in Gaza, the escalating war

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Speaker 4: that we're seeing in Iran, much of that is about

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Speaker 4: legacy building and righting the wrongs that occurred on October seven.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned legacy building. I mean, there's a sort of

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Speaker 1: a conspiracy theory out there that Netanya, who has prosecuted

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Speaker 1: the war so hard in Gaza because he wants to

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Speaker 4: No, I just think there's a real simple reason for

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Speaker 4: It's really because there's a problem that exists in Gaza.

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Speaker 3: Whether that's ill conceived or not is another matter. Or

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Speaker 4: But the whole point is to try and rebuild Gaza

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Speaker 1: There coming up are the devoutly Muslim Arabian states that

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Speaker 1: Speaking of nation building, there's certainly some alliance building going

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Speaker 1: on to Donald Trump has a close relationship with Mohammed

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Speaker 1: Saudi Arabia says that it shot down twenty drones, and.

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Speaker 2: Here in Iraqi, Kurdistan.

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Speaker 3: I've been heard here in Doha in the last few minutes.

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Speaker 1: They're all expressing outrage and it's obviously bringing them closer

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Speaker 1: Is this going to end up being some sort of

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Speaker 3: I think that that was always the idea.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Israel's hope is that it can build alliances

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Speaker 3: Is saying alliance?

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Speaker 4: which is a great irony if you're Kamas and Jehisnoi,

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Speaker 4: Those created discussions may end up happening anyway, So it

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Speaker 4: was awful. Nothing Comus has been destroyed. What Iran is

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Speaker 3: It's closing the straight up homos.

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Speaker 4: It's creating a lot of anxiety and panic in countries

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Speaker 1: All of that. To fill a tank might cost you

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Speaker 4: But we can't even get a coffee these dates. But anyway,

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Speaker 4: end to this war. That is what the Iranians are

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Speaker 4: to see unfold out of this is what happens with

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're westernizing, aren't they. On the spectrum between

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Speaker 1: They're coming closer to Israel's endo the spectrum, which is

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Speaker 1: Women haven't been allowed to drive in some of those countries,

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Speaker 3: Certainly for pragmatic reasons.

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Speaker 4: And I would just add to this the additional layer

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Speaker 4: suggesting that much of this war, the distraction is to

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Speaker 4: It's fascinating to watch what's been happening in the region

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Speaker 4: I think you would assume are pragmatic. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: It's been exciting to watch well.

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Speaker 1: I hope you get at least a nice meal today

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Speaker 1: before the sirens start again overnight.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Thanks Jemmy. Thanks.

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