WEBVTT - Sharri | 16 July 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:09.080 Line is sharing. Good evening everyone, Steve Price filling in 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:11.040 for Sharry March and all this week, and I'll be 0:00:11.080 --> 0:00:13.760 back with you, of course at six pm Eastern Time 0:00:13.880 --> 0:00:17.000 on Friday. Coming up on the program, Another busy day 0:00:17.040 --> 0:00:21.200 in politics locally and overseas. Donald Trump all bandaged up 0:00:21.280 --> 0:00:25.599 revs up his Republican convention in Milwaukee without even opening 0:00:25.600 --> 0:00:29.040 his mouth, while at the same time unveiling his running mate, 0:00:29.040 --> 0:00:33.160 a thirty nine year old military vet JD. Vance. I'll 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.839 catch up with Brianna Lyman in New York in our 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:39.559 first half hour tonight. Senior State and Federal Labor MP's 0:00:39.720 --> 0:00:43.560 running for cover as new allegations emerge about the extent 0:00:43.600 --> 0:00:47.800 of that corruption running through the Building Union the CFM EU, 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.760 including standover tactics, threats of bashings, and illegal demands to 0:00:52.920 --> 0:00:56.320 unionize building sites, including of course, the massive Big Bill 0:00:56.360 --> 0:01:00.280 projects across all of Melbourne. The opposition police spokesman Brad 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:02.640 Batten will be on the program with us later. Plus 0:01:02.680 --> 0:01:05.800 what happens when a state government runs out of money 0:01:06.160 --> 0:01:09.880 and the impact that that has on medical services, especially 0:01:10.240 --> 0:01:14.200 in regional rural towns. It's a national disgrace that large 0:01:14.240 --> 0:01:18.759 regional communities are treated like the poor cousins. Regional MP 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:23.800 Jade Benham will have the details, but first and quite rightly, 0:01:24.280 --> 0:01:27.080 as we are transfixed and glued to the coverage of 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:31.160 the attempted assassination of the potential next President of the 0:01:31.280 --> 0:01:35.600 United States, Donald Trump at that rally last weekend, and locally, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:38.440 we sit back and watch what we've known for years 0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:42.080 that the radical bullies in the CFMEU have allegedly taken 0:01:42.120 --> 0:01:48.520 over lucrative government funded infrastructure projects, gouging taxpayers with wage demands, 0:01:48.840 --> 0:01:53.400 enforcing non union aligned contractors off the site. Given all 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.920 of that, it is still the cost of living stupid 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.240 that is of most concerned in most Australians. Now, I'll 0:02:00.240 --> 0:02:03.080 get to a survey running the news limited tabloids today 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.160 that will confirm what you already know. Everything we spend 0:02:07.160 --> 0:02:09.959 on today is costing us much more. It's much more 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.040 expensive than two years ago. And that survey show is 0:02:13.080 --> 0:02:16.960 a trolley of everyday items has increased in one year 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:21.680 by fourteen percent, not the four percent of inflation, fourteen percent. 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.000 I have those details in a sec but just indulge 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:28.120 me on Premier. Just Center Allen of Victoria and her 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:33.680 donors the CFMU. I have never witnessed a better acting 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.880 performance than the one I saw from this newby premier 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.600 yesterday and again today. Let's go back to last Friday 0:02:40.680 --> 0:02:43.880 night and just after six pm we hear on Sky 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:47.760 News broke the news that longtime union heavyweight John Setka 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:52.480 had quit as the CFMEU secretary and his resignation was 0:02:52.520 --> 0:02:57.720 effective immediately happened just after six Sector agreed to be 0:02:57.760 --> 0:03:01.560 interviewed by me on the Friday Show via Zoom and 0:03:01.600 --> 0:03:04.000 then at the last minute he pulled the pin pulled out. 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:06.120 I don't know if it was because he did not 0:03:06.200 --> 0:03:08.560 want to talk to me given our history over the 0:03:08.639 --> 0:03:11.840 years when I've called out his union's tactics, but he 0:03:11.919 --> 0:03:15.079 quit the Zoom cross and that was that. Shortly after 0:03:15.120 --> 0:03:18.040 going to air, we learned that the nine newspapers in 0:03:18.080 --> 0:03:21.680 sixty Minutes, along with the Financial Review, had been conducting 0:03:21.720 --> 0:03:25.760 a lengthy behind the scenes investigation into both that union 0:03:25.880 --> 0:03:29.639 in general and Sector and others in particular who held 0:03:29.680 --> 0:03:34.120 senior jobs there. Seka's resignation came six months before he 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:36.720 was due to go. And when you watched that investigation 0:03:36.800 --> 0:03:40.440 on sixty Minutes and images of secor himself dumping a 0:03:40.480 --> 0:03:43.640 suitcase on the driveway with a threatening message on it. 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.920 His immediate departure made more sense. Fast forward to yesterday 0:03:48.200 --> 0:03:51.120 and today to Senor Allen, the premier who replaced the 0:03:51.160 --> 0:03:54.840 much low Daniel Andrews as Victorian Premier, had the cheek 0:03:54.880 --> 0:03:57.400 to stand up two days in a row and talk 0:03:57.440 --> 0:04:01.000 about union thugs and thagish behavior and talked about how 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.840 this behavior had no place in her state. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:08.200 This is a rotten culture that must be pulled out 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:11.200 by its roots, which is why today I want to 0:04:11.240 --> 0:04:14.600 outline a range of immediate actions that we are taking 0:04:14.800 --> 0:04:19.719 to address this fuggish bullying, intimidatory. 0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:24.040 Behavior, crimea river. This woman was the minister in charge 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:27.920 of those big bill projects. Everyone but blind Freddy has 0:04:28.040 --> 0:04:31.800 known for years that claims the CFMEU were using government 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:35.479 projects to line their pockets. Sector brag publicly about it, 0:04:35.560 --> 0:04:39.480 confirming stop Go sign holders could earn over two hundred 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.240 thousand dollars a year while nurses and teachers were on 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.800 eighty thousand. He said Ford would not have enough Ford 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:49.200 Ranger utes to go around. As his apprentices picked up 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:52.159 a new wage deal with increases of over twenty percent 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:55.159 over four years. That deal has now been put on hold. 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:58.839 Then we learned an indigenous labor higher firm was threatened, 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:02.400 according to the nine VS instigation with extreme violence on 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:07.719 a Monash Freeway extension project, leading to that firm writing 0:05:07.760 --> 0:05:11.880 to both the Premier Premier Allen and interestingly to the 0:05:11.920 --> 0:05:15.400 Prime Minist Anthony Albanezi, now here's how the Premier tried 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:18.040 to weasel her way out of that little pickle. 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:22.680 Today, we need to establish new and clear processes for 0:05:22.720 --> 0:05:28.159 whistleblowers and complainants about construction companies and construction unions because 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:30.919 what we have seen, and I acknowledge this, what we 0:05:31.040 --> 0:05:34.240 have seen shows that there are gaps in current reporting 0:05:34.440 --> 0:05:35.760 and complainant systems. 0:05:36.760 --> 0:05:40.240 Seriously, we've had two royal commissions, you've got a Commission 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:43.520 of corruption that looks at your own government and the 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:47.680 own own state. But as the Federal Opposition leader Opposition 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:51.680 Michaulia Cash said today, labor governments across the country have 0:05:51.800 --> 0:05:55.359 been relying on CFMU donations and of course the Albanezy 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:58.719 government in one of its first moves, abolished the Union 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.039 Heated Building and consus Struction Commission that was charged with 0:06:02.080 --> 0:06:03.360 stopping this very behavior. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.800 All of Australians know that the corruption, the bullying, the 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:11.599 thuggery and the intimidation it was never limited to the 0:06:11.680 --> 0:06:12.760 Victorian branch. 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:17.279 This is endemic across Australia. We need mister alban Easy 0:06:17.360 --> 0:06:18.320 to stand. 0:06:18.040 --> 0:06:22.720 Up front the media explain himself to the Australian people. 0:06:24.960 --> 0:06:27.719 Industry Relations Minister Tony Burgh, of course, was charged with 0:06:27.760 --> 0:06:30.640 the job of shutting the BCC and has bragged about it. 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.360 Since no one should fall for this false narrative from 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.520 the most senior labor politicians in the country that sorry, 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.640 we didn't know, we didn't see any of this. We 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:42.680 condemn this awful behavior, no place for it in our country. 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:46.200 What bs that all is? And trust me, just watch 0:06:46.640 --> 0:06:49.880 how some half baked inquiry will be set up with 0:06:50.000 --> 0:06:53.520 no teeth and everyone involved will live happily ever after. 0:06:53.880 --> 0:06:57.000 And also, don't believe those promises that we will not 0:06:57.120 --> 0:07:01.680 take money from that union ever again. Some how, some way, 0:07:01.720 --> 0:07:04.440 the union money will continue to flow. It has to 0:07:04.560 --> 0:07:07.480 because the unions rely on labor governments to deal them 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:16.240 into taxpayer funded big projects. Watch this space just for 0:07:16.360 --> 0:07:19.760 I get to my first panel tonight. That survey of 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:22.320 grocery items I mentioned now John Rolf in the News 0:07:22.360 --> 0:07:25.160 Limited Newspapers has found that a basket of the most 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:28.240 basic groceries you can imagine will cost you fourteen percent 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:31.480 more today than it did a year ago. Fourteen percent. 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:35.080 And that's all the while your mortgage payments have gone 0:07:35.160 --> 0:07:37.320 up what is it now thirteen times in a row 0:07:37.360 --> 0:07:39.920 and two years your electricity and gas bills are through 0:07:39.960 --> 0:07:44.280 the roof, albeit with some recent relief. Insurance rises are cruel. 0:07:44.320 --> 0:07:46.840 You name it. If you are being smashed, and if 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:49.400 you have children looking to buy a first house, good 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.560 luck with that. Now this basket that John found a 0:07:52.640 --> 0:07:55.640 family spending three hundred dollars a week at the supermarket, 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:59.400 That fourteen percent adds up to one thousand dollars annual 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:02.560 increase in food costs alone. The price of things like 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:05.800 eggs if you can find them, bread, cereal, chocolate, chips, 0:08:06.200 --> 0:08:09.680 and canned tomatoes all up, and they're hardly luxuries. And 0:08:09.720 --> 0:08:12.240 by the way, that fourteen percent figure is based on 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.440 the cheapest shopping alternative at AUDI. So as the political 0:08:15.560 --> 0:08:19.840 attention concentrates on America and its violence and union thuggery, 0:08:19.880 --> 0:08:23.320 back here, that cost of living struggle is what's capturing 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:27.480 the attention of average Australians. Let's bring in tonight's panel. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.560 Joining me is Sky News' host Caleb Bond and former 0:08:30.640 --> 0:08:35.160 Speaker of the House Broman Bishop. Great to see you both, Broman, 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:36.920 how's your flat tire? 0:08:38.600 --> 0:08:41.560 Well, I had a very generous neighbor who came and 0:08:41.559 --> 0:08:43.080 picked me up and got me here on time. 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.400 So neighborhoods are terrific. 0:08:47.840 --> 0:08:49.839 I imagine though, that if you needed to, you could have 0:08:49.880 --> 0:08:52.960 got the wheelbrace out and whip the tire off yourself. 0:08:52.960 --> 0:08:55.280 You know how to change a tire, and so many youngs, 0:08:55.559 --> 0:08:57.480 anyone under the age of thirty wouldn't even know how 0:08:57.520 --> 0:08:57.920 to do it. 0:08:58.880 --> 0:09:01.440 Well, the unfortunate. I think it's only a half wheel. 0:09:01.520 --> 0:09:04.679 A half wheel anyway, and I don't know that I 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:05.960 would manage that very well. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.000 Got to run, Caleb. You could have gone around the 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:11.560 Caleb and sorted that out. 0:09:12.480 --> 0:09:14.640 I could have, but I would have paid good money 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:17.240 to watch Bronwin do that. I reckon if you go 0:09:17.360 --> 0:09:20.760 on the Sky News Australia YouTube channel and we had 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:22.720 vision of that, I reckon it would leave all the 0:09:22.760 --> 0:09:24.160 Trump stuff for dead tonight. 0:09:26.080 --> 0:09:28.480 I reckon you're probably right now. I mentioned Victorian Premier 0:09:28.559 --> 0:09:32.280 just sent to Alan. She's confirmed Labour's National executive has 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:36.840 begun the process of suspending the state CFMU Construction Division. 0:09:37.400 --> 0:09:41.319 I think another state today has also suspended its division, Bromwin. 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.280 This is a replay of a horror story that we've 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.040 witnessed for the last forty years. 0:09:48.200 --> 0:09:51.680 This is a replay of the d registration of the 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:57.120 BLF when Bob Hawk finally close it down in nineteen 0:09:57.120 --> 0:09:59.640 eighty six and Norm Galligher went to jail for taking 0:09:59.679 --> 0:10:03.559 bride some companies Bob Hawk had the courage to de 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.959 register Burke and Co. A lot of them are all saying, oh, no, 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:12.440 we can't deregister. It would hurt the employees. No, it 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.360 wouldn't begin to start to clean up the mess that 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:23.200 has been left after Burke delivering for the CFMU and 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:31.400 abolishing the watchdog that commission, the Australian Building and Construction Commission, 0:10:31.520 --> 0:10:35.080 was an essential part of keeping that industry on the 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:38.880 straight and narrow. And the Labor Party gets millions and 0:10:38.920 --> 0:10:42.640 millions of dollars from that union, and they know where 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:46.520 that money comes from. And I am just so over 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:51.360 socialists who lie and socialists who behave in this way. 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:56.199 And then prepared, prepared to say, oh, look, we're indignant 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:58.880 we didn't know about it at all, when it is 0:10:58.960 --> 0:11:01.360 quite clear known about it all the time. 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:03.839 Hypocrisy is just. 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:07.800 Caleb has been Caleb. It's been an open secret. I 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:10.760 mean I've written columns about it week after week after 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:13.200 week for the last three years. I mean everyone in 0:11:13.240 --> 0:11:16.439 Melbourne knew that the big build projects and I'm talking 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.080 about the suburban rail loop that no one wants. The 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:22.440 Monash Freeway was widened, you had the Northeast Tunnel, You've 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:26.000 got the Westgate Tunnel. It's all manned by CFME EU 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:30.360 workers who've got John Sepka to thank for inflated wages 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.680 where stop go sign holders are getting two hundred thousand 0:11:33.679 --> 0:11:34.360 dollars a year. 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.679 I know, it's extraordinary, isn't it. And the idea of 0:11:38.080 --> 0:11:41.360 thuggery on these CFMU work sites. I mean, look, I 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:44.000 have to say that the work that has been done 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:47.240 by the Nine Papers and Sixty Minutes, and in particular 0:11:47.520 --> 0:11:50.600 Nick Mackenzie on this has been excellent. But I had 0:11:50.600 --> 0:11:53.680 to chuckle a little bit when they revealed that there 0:11:53.760 --> 0:11:57.920 was allegedly infiltration of organized crime in the CFMU. Well, 0:11:58.000 --> 0:12:01.680 I just thought the CFMU was an organized crime gang itself. 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.160 To be perfectly. 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:05.320 Honest, I remember when I was at the Herald Suner's 0:12:05.360 --> 0:12:07.839 weekend chief of staff, and I occasionally had to handle 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.400 your column, Steve, and we ran a story about a 0:12:12.480 --> 0:12:15.880 proper riot that broke out on one of these big 0:12:15.920 --> 0:12:19.200 build projects, because that was the lay of the land. 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.880 This is how the CFMEU operates. If someone steps out 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.400 of line, if someone isn't a member of the union, 0:12:25.400 --> 0:12:28.760 if they dare to question the hierarchy, they are in 0:12:28.840 --> 0:12:34.760 big trouble. Criminality and thuggery on CFMEU sites is nothing new. 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:37.840 It's about as old as the Bible, to be perfectly honest, 0:12:37.920 --> 0:12:40.280 and if you watch the way that the Victorian branch 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:43.800 of the CFMU, led by Setko, then went after the 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:47.680 South Australian branch of the CFMEU and they took that over. 0:12:47.840 --> 0:12:50.640 He was an expansionist leader who was a very good 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.000 union leader. You have to say, for his members he 0:12:53.080 --> 0:12:57.040 delivered exactly what they wanted. But they have had a chokehold, 0:12:57.160 --> 0:13:01.839 a stranglehold on work sites for a very long time, 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.640 and for the federal government in particular to dismantle the 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:09.000 building and construction Commission, which I am told in the 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:12.200 cases it pursued through the Federal Court had a success 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:15.360 rate of more than ninety percent, which proves that the 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:19.120 work it was doing was needed and vital and legitimate 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:22.560 for them to pull that apart and now say, oh, 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.440 we have a problem in the CFMAU. We must do 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.880 something about it. Pull the other one. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.120 Rom and you sat around a cabinet table when the 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:36.319 Maritime Union of Australia shut down the docks because Patrick 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.439 Corporation was trying to make them work properly. I went 0:13:39.480 --> 0:13:43.440 down to Port Melbourne to cover that picket line that 0:13:43.520 --> 0:13:46.440 was set up there and I came back tomcar all 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.360 four tires had been jabbed with a screwdriver so that 0:13:49.400 --> 0:13:51.960 I couldn't drive away. One of the presenters from our 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.960 radio station went down there to broadcast and was spat at. 0:13:55.160 --> 0:13:57.839 I mean, why is everybody in the labor movement trying 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.200 to pretend that the Unit the Unions of Australia are 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:02.640 some sort of goodie two shoes. 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:06.199 Well, the important thing about that, the memory of what 0:14:06.280 --> 0:14:11.719 happened with Costigan, the Warves and so on, was that 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:15.800 John Howard and Peter Reath showed courage. They had courage 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:18.240 to take them on, and they had courage to deal 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:21.560 with it, just as Bob Hawk had shown courage in 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.200 shutting down the BLF in eighty six. 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.480 But the problem is this, the CFM. 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.760 E U was the inheritor of the inherited the BLF, 0:14:31.200 --> 0:14:36.120 and it took over all its nastiness. But the important 0:14:36.160 --> 0:14:40.280 thing was, while Howard was the Prime Minister, that industrial 0:14:40.280 --> 0:14:47.320 relations was made an absolute tenant of presiding over peaceful, 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.280 honest construction industry. 0:14:51.400 --> 0:14:55.200 And it worked. But then, of course when we had the. 0:14:57.280 --> 0:15:01.640 Loss with the shall we say, the stronger laws that 0:15:01.680 --> 0:15:04.880 went in place and allowed the labor and the unions 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.640 to come back and fight against the industrial relations laws, 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.680 and then it kind of went on the back burner 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.800 and it's grown up again. But to the extent that 0:15:15.840 --> 0:15:22.040 we've seen the Premier Allen when she was in charge 0:15:22.040 --> 0:15:26.120 of all that big build saying that builders had to 0:15:26.160 --> 0:15:30.040 go to the CFMAU, the AWU was being pushed right out. 0:15:31.800 --> 0:15:36.440 And the story that Channel nine showed that young Aboriginal 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.800 boy who had gone there to work, but because he 0:15:38.880 --> 0:15:41.520 was in the wrong union, they just bullied him and 0:15:41.520 --> 0:15:44.680 he finally took his life. I mean, how hideous is 0:15:44.720 --> 0:15:46.680 that story. 0:15:47.880 --> 0:15:51.240 It's awful, it's heartbreaking and those politicians need to have 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:53.320 a good heart look at themselves. I'm not sure Premier 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:56.640 Allen's going to survive this. Just quite the quiet CAYLB. 0:15:56.640 --> 0:15:58.080 What did you make of that poll in the nine 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.640 papers today that showed Peter Dutton has got his nose 0:16:01.680 --> 0:16:05.120 ahead of Anthony Albanesie preferred PM. I think the two 0:16:05.120 --> 0:16:09.440 party preferreds fifty to fifty now and the Labor primary 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.680 vote is down in the twenties. I mean, it's quite 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:13.680 a turnaround, isn't it. 0:16:14.880 --> 0:16:17.240 It's not terribly surprising that I have to say. I mean, look, 0:16:17.680 --> 0:16:21.360 let's be perfectly frank. If the federal government goes to 0:16:21.640 --> 0:16:24.920 an early election, which of course has been touted as 0:16:24.960 --> 0:16:28.440 a possibility, if it's not that it'll probably be in 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.200 May next year, and why would you want to give 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.520 up the opportunity to govern for as long as possible 0:16:32.560 --> 0:16:35.800 unless you're worried about interest rate rises coming through and 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.360 killing you, which which they very well could do. But 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.440 when and if they go to an election, what are 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.560 they going to sell to the public as an achievement 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:47.760 of their government. I mean, there's very little to crow 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.360 about all the things that they said they were really 0:16:50.400 --> 0:16:53.640 wanted to achieve, apart from maybe deconstructing the Building and 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:56.480 Construction Commission, and here we are talking about the CFMU tonight. 0:16:57.120 --> 0:17:00.320 But you know, the voice was a total failure. Was 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:04.719 the whole thing that Alberanize basically staked his political capital on. Now, 0:17:04.720 --> 0:17:07.640 it didn't kill him as Prime Minister, but the one 0:17:07.720 --> 0:17:10.880 thing he really wanted to do is PM totally failed 0:17:11.119 --> 0:17:13.320 to do. The other thing he's really wanted to do 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:17.920 as PM is bring inflation down and ultimately deliver an 0:17:17.960 --> 0:17:20.480 interest rate cut so that he can then go into 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:23.480 an election that he sells on We've done the hard yards, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.959 we've improved things. We need your support to help us 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.240 finish the job off. Well, in all likelihood, he's going 0:17:30.280 --> 0:17:33.240 to go into an election with at least one, probably 0:17:33.520 --> 0:17:37.600 two interest rate rises between now and that point in time, 0:17:38.040 --> 0:17:40.400 so we won't be able to crow about the great 0:17:40.440 --> 0:17:44.040 work he's done to repair the economy. Alberiz he has 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:47.879 literally nothing to point to. So people are starting to 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:51.520 look at the opposition and Dutton, who increasingly looks like 0:17:51.560 --> 0:17:53.879 a good leader. The only problem is I think that 0:17:53.920 --> 0:17:59.400 it's probably statistically mathematically impossible for the Coalition to take 0:17:59.440 --> 0:18:02.280 government from the point it is currently in. But when 0:18:02.280 --> 0:18:07.280 we're talking about minority, it's not impossible to think that 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:10.520 the Coalition could form a minority government on the numbers 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:11.720 that we're starting to look at. 0:18:14.040 --> 0:18:17.160 Caleb c on late debate tonight, Bronnie, well done, Good 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:19.480 luck with the tire, Thanks for coming in. Talk to 0:18:19.520 --> 0:18:22.800 you on the program next week. Now coming up after 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:25.520 the break, we'll have another look at what's going on 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:29.119 in the United States, and we'll also continue to talk 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:33.680 with Brad Batten from the Victorian Opposition about the bugish 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:36.240 behavior of the Union movement. More on that to come. 0:18:40.760 --> 0:18:43.440 Welcome back Steve Price in for Shari Markson. Now all 0:18:43.520 --> 0:18:45.520 eyes are on the United States, of course, as the 0:18:45.960 --> 0:18:50.120 twenty four presidential election looms. Now Today was the start 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:54.840 of the Republican National Convention where Donald Trump was going 0:18:54.880 --> 0:18:56.960 to be officially announced as the party's nominee. You'll be 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:01.400 sworn in actually on Thursday, a triumph Trump. He made 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:04.439 an appearance at this conference, and of course this was 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.720 just days after that would be assassin attempted to take 0:19:07.760 --> 0:19:11.320 his life. He was met with one hell of a 0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:12.960 standing ovation have I looked at this. 0:19:13.880 --> 0:19:19.399 Please welcome the next President of the United States, Donald J. 0:19:20.200 --> 0:19:41.280 Trump, And of course the crowd there is a chanting fight, fight, fight, 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:43.760 which is what Donald Trump said as he left the 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:48.880 stage on the weekend after that bullet clipped his right ear. 0:19:49.320 --> 0:19:55.040 Joining me now is Elections correspondent at the Federalist Brian Lyman. Brian, 0:19:55.480 --> 0:19:57.919 have you come to this is a personal question, I know, 0:19:58.000 --> 0:20:00.840 but have you come to terms yet of you're living 0:20:00.880 --> 0:20:02.280 through there at the moment? 0:20:03.240 --> 0:20:05.639 God no, I mean, these last seventy two hours have 0:20:05.720 --> 0:20:08.280 been honestly a whirlwind, and I think for someone in 0:20:08.320 --> 0:20:10.760 America right now, we have lived through way too many 0:20:10.920 --> 0:20:13.760 historical events in the past three weeks. 0:20:14.119 --> 0:20:16.679 There are thousands of conspiracy theories going around and it's 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:19.159 probably a bit early to talk about them, but you know, 0:20:19.440 --> 0:20:21.639 a lot to deal in them. But there is a 0:20:21.800 --> 0:20:25.600 major security lapse here that happened at that rally. Now, 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:28.320 as each hour it seems to me goes by, the 0:20:28.400 --> 0:20:30.960 more worried you get about what they didn't do to 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:32.040 protect Donald Trump. 0:20:32.600 --> 0:20:35.200 Yeah, there's a lot of questions that need to be answered. 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.800 We are hoping that the head of the Secret Service 0:20:38.840 --> 0:20:41.320 detail will step down she's not willing to step down 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:44.120 right now. And what's really disturbing is that the more 0:20:44.160 --> 0:20:47.560 we go, as the days come on, we're finding out information, 0:20:47.640 --> 0:20:50.680 For instance, that apparently there were snipers in the very 0:20:50.720 --> 0:20:54.360 building that the assassin was resting on top of, right, 0:20:54.400 --> 0:20:56.879 So they were in that building, they clearly knew it 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:59.800 was a location to check. There's video footage a rally 0:20:59.800 --> 0:21:02.760 go alerting police moments before the shooting, I think up 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:05.800 to two minutes saying there's somebody on the roof, right, 0:21:05.800 --> 0:21:09.080 there's a suspicious man, and nothing was done. So you 0:21:09.160 --> 0:21:11.919 have to wonder was this a deliberate lack of security 0:21:12.040 --> 0:21:14.960 or was it just so coincidental that every single thing 0:21:15.000 --> 0:21:15.480 went wrong. 0:21:15.800 --> 0:21:18.080 I haven't read this morning ran out reports that a 0:21:18.200 --> 0:21:21.360 local policeman who saw the shooter on that roof, who 0:21:21.400 --> 0:21:24.520 turned around and pointed the gun at him, He then 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:26.760 dropped to the ground and did nothing else. 0:21:27.520 --> 0:21:30.320 Yeah, and that's something we've also heard. I've also heard 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:33.360 reports that that officer then radioed over and said there's 0:21:33.359 --> 0:21:35.240 someone on the roof, which is when you see I 0:21:35.240 --> 0:21:36.920 don't know if you've seen the video yet of the. 0:21:37.160 --> 0:21:38.280 Secret Service sniper. 0:21:38.600 --> 0:21:41.200 He seemingly reacts very fast and then pulls the trigger 0:21:41.200 --> 0:21:44.040 and shoots the iss. But look, when an officer takes 0:21:44.080 --> 0:21:45.880 an oath to be a police officer in the United 0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.880 States of America, they are effectively saying that they're willing 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:49.320 to put. 0:21:49.200 --> 0:21:50.280 Their life on the line. 0:21:50.840 --> 0:21:52.600 And so it was a little concerning that the police 0:21:52.600 --> 0:21:56.120 officer got scared and backed away knowing that this man 0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:58.960 had a gun pointed at the potential future president and 0:21:59.040 --> 0:22:00.000 the former president. 0:22:00.760 --> 0:22:04.640 We move forward now, obviously with the November election looming, 0:22:04.960 --> 0:22:08.560 what do you think this has done for Donald Trump's chances? 0:22:08.600 --> 0:22:11.520 And what do you believe the Biden camp must be 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:13.800 trying to work out? Now, how are they're going to 0:22:13.800 --> 0:22:14.400 react to this? 0:22:14.960 --> 0:22:18.399 Yeah, I think the Biden administration has seen hurdle after hurdle, 0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:20.879 because here's the thing, they've pulled their ads down. They 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:23.160 might have been restored today, but at least the first 0:22:23.200 --> 0:22:26.760 forty eight hours they were pulled just out of respect 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.600 for Donald Trump, right, and more importantly, you know, Joe 0:22:29.640 --> 0:22:31.399 Biden has come out and he said that the United 0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:34.119 States need to tone down the rhetoric. Right, they need to 0:22:34.160 --> 0:22:37.320 lower the temperature. The temperature has only been raised because 0:22:37.359 --> 0:22:40.159 people like Joe Biden called Donald Trump hitler. And so 0:22:40.200 --> 0:22:42.240 when you call someone hitler for the better part of 0:22:42.280 --> 0:22:45.000 eight years, what do you think that does to the 0:22:45.000 --> 0:22:45.840 public sentiment? 0:22:45.960 --> 0:22:46.120 Right? 0:22:46.359 --> 0:22:48.480 People here hitler and they rightfully think, oh my god, 0:22:48.480 --> 0:22:51.199 a horrible person who doesn't deserve to live. But Donald 0:22:51.240 --> 0:22:54.200 Trump is no hitler. They just made that comparison because 0:22:54.200 --> 0:22:56.280 they thought it made them sound good. And now they're 0:22:56.320 --> 0:22:58.480 kind of being caught flat footed because if he was 0:22:58.520 --> 0:23:01.560 really hitler like they claimed was, they wouldn't be saying 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:03.960 thank god Donald Trump survived. And so now they have 0:23:04.040 --> 0:23:06.520 to figure out a way to essentially address their voting 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:10.879 base and address independent voters without heeding that rhetoric up again. 0:23:11.040 --> 0:23:14.720 The Democrats language has been a treasure. Just we've gone 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:17.399 month after month knowing Donald Trump was going to be 0:23:17.440 --> 0:23:20.800 the nominee, and the Democrats keep talking about this man 0:23:21.000 --> 0:23:25.159 needs to be targeted. And that's exactly isn't what happened, right. 0:23:25.080 --> 0:23:27.440 Right, Joe Biden recently said, you know, it's time to 0:23:27.440 --> 0:23:29.719 put I think Donald Trump like in a bulls eye. 0:23:29.880 --> 0:23:32.919 It's that type of inflammatory rhetoric that leads people to 0:23:32.920 --> 0:23:36.359 believe that Donald Trump is a legitimate threat to democracy 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:38.359 or to the Republic and that he needs to be 0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:39.080 taken out. 0:23:39.359 --> 0:23:41.320 And it's up to democrats, I think, to one issue 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:42.120 an apology to. 0:23:42.080 --> 0:23:45.159 Donald Trump and also, too more importantly, let the American 0:23:45.200 --> 0:23:48.560 public know that this was just, unfortunately, really an appropriate 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:50.919 campaign jargon. And we have a show over here on 0:23:51.000 --> 0:23:53.320 MSNBC called Morning Joe. It's one of the worst shows 0:23:53.320 --> 0:23:56.280 you could watch, but the entire panel was pulled off 0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:58.679 EIR this morning. They weren't allowed to go on because 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.280 MSNBC executives realize that that show is ground zero for 0:24:02.400 --> 0:24:06.479 the hostile and disgusting rhetoric that leads to people thinking 0:24:06.520 --> 0:24:09.240 Donald Trump, you know, deserves to die because you know, 0:24:09.240 --> 0:24:12.919 apparently he's hitler. So that's an important first step. But 0:24:13.000 --> 0:24:15.720 I hope to see other networks and other people kind 0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.479 of take that approach. You know, let's actually tone down 0:24:18.480 --> 0:24:20.720 the ruditic, let's stop playing someone hitler because we don't 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:21.440 like their policy. 0:24:22.160 --> 0:24:24.520 The left had no shine. But you know, the Jack 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:26.639 Black comedy band, I'm not sure if you're aware this 0:24:26.680 --> 0:24:29.879 is tearing astride at the moment one of the guitarists 0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:45.159 had this decide this Trump next time? Oh quite Rightley, 0:24:45.240 --> 0:24:47.840 I've now put the tour on Hold, what did you 0:24:47.920 --> 0:24:48.320 make of that? 0:24:48.920 --> 0:24:50.240 Yeah, I saw that video today. 0:24:50.440 --> 0:24:53.159 It's so disheartening and disgusting and it's part of a 0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:56.280 larger problem here in American Hollywood. And then clearly now 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:58.600 unfortunately in Australia, you know, you go back to it. 0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:01.280 I think it was twenty seventeen, Kathy Griffin, a really 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:04.679 unfunny woman. She held a decapitated Donald Trump head. She 0:25:04.720 --> 0:25:07.399 held it up with the picture. Snoop Dogg put up 0:25:07.400 --> 0:25:09.760 a video basically calling for Donald Trump to be killed. 0:25:10.400 --> 0:25:12.760 Now you have Jack Black laughing at someone saying that 0:25:12.800 --> 0:25:16.480 Donald Trump unfortunately survived an assassination attempt. And so when 0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.480 you have these people with these very large platforms making 0:25:19.520 --> 0:25:22.080 it permissible to say these horrible things and to do 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:26.240 these grotesque photo shoots, it again sends the message that 0:25:26.400 --> 0:25:28.399 Donald Trump, you know, needs to be taken out, that 0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:32.280 that's okay. They're trying to downplay assassination attempts by like 0:25:32.320 --> 0:25:33.200 cushioning the blow. 0:25:33.320 --> 0:25:36.920 Essentially, Brandy, you've covered Donald Trump for a long time. 0:25:37.040 --> 0:25:40.600 Are you surprised at how calm he's been since this 0:25:40.680 --> 0:25:43.440 has all happened. Then the discipline he and his team 0:25:43.440 --> 0:25:45.600 are now showing Donald. 0:25:45.280 --> 0:25:47.879 Trump has been a very different Donald Trump than twenty 0:25:47.920 --> 0:25:51.080 sixteen and twenty twenty in this election cycle, especially this 0:25:51.160 --> 0:25:54.880 past month since the debate, he's been relatively quiet. Right, 0:25:55.200 --> 0:25:57.360 you never interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake. 0:25:57.680 --> 0:26:01.160 Then this assassination attempt comes, and Donald Trump's initial reaction 0:26:01.280 --> 0:26:03.760 is to let the crowd know to fight. Right, It's 0:26:03.800 --> 0:26:06.640 okay to be strong. He's safe, And I think that 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.919 is a great juxtaposition to someone like Joe Biden. Right, 0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:12.320 Joe Biden goes on a few international trips because he 0:26:12.359 --> 0:26:14.479 signed up to do that job as president, and then 0:26:14.560 --> 0:26:17.640 hides in his camp Camp David for a week, hides 0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:20.520 out of the public view. Meanwhile, Donald Trump is literally 0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:24.560 nearly assassinated. He this much, he almost died. And the 0:26:24.600 --> 0:26:26.680 next day he's out golfing, and then today he's out 0:26:27.040 --> 0:26:29.960 seeing the public at the RNC convention. That's his show 0:26:30.000 --> 0:26:32.600 of unity and strength that Americans are looking for right 0:26:32.640 --> 0:26:34.919 now and that we've been sorely lacking for four years. 0:26:35.440 --> 0:26:39.360 President Biden. Look, he's unusually been doing some one on 0:26:39.359 --> 0:26:42.440 one interviews. He sat down with NBC. He was asked 0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:46.240 about his ritrick that you and I just spoke about. 0:26:46.280 --> 0:26:47.840 He was his reaction, you. 0:26:47.760 --> 0:26:51.480 Called your opponent an existential threat. On a call a 0:26:51.520 --> 0:26:53.639 week ago, he said it's time to put Trump in 0:26:53.680 --> 0:26:57.520 the bullseye. There's some dispute about the context, but I 0:26:57.520 --> 0:26:59.000 think you appreciate. 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:01.320 Crosshairs focus on. 0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:03.720 Look, the truth of the matter was that I guess 0:27:03.720 --> 0:27:07.040 I was talking about at the time was there's very 0:27:07.080 --> 0:27:09.720 little focus on Trump's agenda. 0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:10.639 Do you buy that? 0:27:11.680 --> 0:27:12.400 No, not at all. 0:27:12.920 --> 0:27:16.240 Joe Biden the reason he won in twenty twenty, what 0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:19.600 he campaigned on was I'm not Donald Trump. He didn't 0:27:19.640 --> 0:27:22.359 have a message, he didn't have politics or policies that 0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.520 made sense. It was simply, I'm the lesser of two evils, 0:27:25.560 --> 0:27:28.879 and that worked in twenty twenty, and polling now indicates 0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:31.800 that that same messaging doesn't work. People are disillusioned with 0:27:31.840 --> 0:27:35.119 Biden for the past four years, especially Black voters, young 0:27:35.280 --> 0:27:38.120 black voters, and so they don't really feel that same way. 0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:41.200 And Democrats have tried to make this race a referendum 0:27:41.240 --> 0:27:44.120 once again on Donald Trump. But the reality is, after 0:27:44.160 --> 0:27:46.639 four years of Joe Biden's policies versus four years of 0:27:46.680 --> 0:27:50.400 Donald Trump, hearing you know, threat to democracy doesn't hit 0:27:50.440 --> 0:27:52.840 the same way did in twenty twenty when you realize 0:27:52.880 --> 0:27:55.680 that you'd rather someone be a fake threat to democracy 0:27:55.720 --> 0:27:58.639 because he's not, and have lower gas prices than have 0:27:58.720 --> 0:28:00.960 high gas prices, can for to eat and can barely 0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.080 put a roof over your head, and at least have 0:28:03.200 --> 0:28:05.080 someone who you know is quiet. 0:28:05.119 --> 0:28:07.560 He doesn't say things that people necessarily don't want to hear. 0:28:08.160 --> 0:28:11.040 The big announcement today is obviously Donald Trump's running night. 0:28:11.119 --> 0:28:14.800 He has picked JD. Vance. I don't know much about him. 0:28:14.840 --> 0:28:16.040 What do you know about him? 0:28:16.560 --> 0:28:18.960 Jadie Vance was a surprising pick for me. I think 0:28:19.040 --> 0:28:20.480 Donald Trump he. 0:28:20.520 --> 0:28:23.560 Had certainly had easier pathways to reelection someone like Senator 0:28:23.600 --> 0:28:28.119 Marco Rubio, Governor Glenn Youngkin. They appeal to suburban, college 0:28:28.240 --> 0:28:30.360 educated voters, and that is one of the most important 0:28:30.400 --> 0:28:33.000 voting blocks for Donald Trump because he had them in 0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:35.840 twenty sixteen. He lost them a little bit in twenty twenty, 0:28:36.040 --> 0:28:38.560 which forced which didn't help him get over the edge 0:28:38.560 --> 0:28:42.120 in Georgia in Pennsylvania, I don't necessarily know Vance is 0:28:42.160 --> 0:28:44.480 going to be that person to bridge that gap. That 0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:48.120 being said, Vance appeals to midwesterners. He appeals to middle 0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:51.360 working class Americans and Donald Trump has now created this 0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:54.480 very geographically, very ticket. Right he has the East coast, 0:28:54.560 --> 0:28:57.440 Jade Vance has the Midwest, and so I do think 0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:00.920 jade Vance brings that to the table. He is someone 0:29:00.920 --> 0:29:03.440 who's been a senator for two years, so it's not 0:29:03.520 --> 0:29:06.880 a kind of experience. That being said, about eighty percent 0:29:06.880 --> 0:29:09.000 of people don't know who ged Vance is, and that 0:29:09.160 --> 0:29:11.720 is a benefit because Republicans will not have to run 0:29:11.800 --> 0:29:15.120 defense for ged Vance and he'll actually have the opportunity 0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.600 to craft his own narrative about who he is as 0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:19.720 a senator and who he will be as the vice president. 0:29:19.960 --> 0:29:23.000 Well, Branda, we're in fascinating times. I really appreciate you 0:29:23.080 --> 0:29:26.680 staying up late for us. Brianna Lyman, thank you very much. 0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:28.320 Thank you so much for having me. 0:29:30.800 --> 0:29:33.479 And of course that convention continues tomorrow. We'll have some 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:36.000 more highlights tomorrow night on the program back Home. Now, 0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.640 as I mentioned at the beginning of the program tonight, 0:29:38.960 --> 0:29:42.200 with the saga with the CFMAU and the Victorian government, 0:29:42.480 --> 0:29:45.560 it's a complete not a mess today. Cindra Allen, the Premier, 0:29:45.640 --> 0:29:49.440 confirmed that a union suspension is underway. She defended her 0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:53.840 actions on the allegations the CFMEU officials were threatening violence 0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:57.680 to contractors. Joining me now is Victoria's shadow please, Minister 0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:01.080 Brad Batten. I'm not buying. I mean, it's been an 0:30:01.080 --> 0:30:04.200 open secret, hasn't it, Brad about anyone who wanted to 0:30:04.240 --> 0:30:07.760 have a look that the CFMU were acting corruptly on 0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:08.680 big building sites. 0:30:09.640 --> 0:30:12.480 Yeah, good morning or good evening, Steve. It's great to 0:30:12.520 --> 0:30:14.360 be on again. And it's very interesting you say that. 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:17.600 I think this has been raised with Jacinta Allen when 0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:20.520 she's been the premier. And also we can't forget she 0:30:20.600 --> 0:30:23.160 was the minister in control of the big build projects, 0:30:23.200 --> 0:30:26.320 dealing with the cf for MEU, signing off on contracts 0:30:26.600 --> 0:30:29.320 and encouraging what organizations would be taking over those big 0:30:29.320 --> 0:30:30.120 build projects. 0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:31.360 This is not new. 0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:34.520 This is over ten years old, where Justinta Allen has 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.080 seen what has been happening on our building sites and 0:30:37.120 --> 0:30:40.520 the changes we've had. And it's very easy to get stuck, Steve, 0:30:40.600 --> 0:30:42.720 into the financial side of it. And we know there's 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:45.880 been cost blowouts. Every person's heard about that, but we've 0:30:45.880 --> 0:30:49.000 also seen evidence of one child now who has gone 0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:52.120 home and taken his life. We can't forget that suicide 0:30:52.240 --> 0:30:56.240 in our construction industry. It's at its highest here in 0:30:56.240 --> 0:30:57.960 this state. We've had it in a long period of time. 0:30:58.360 --> 0:30:59.960 You have to actually then go, Okay, why aren't we 0:31:00.040 --> 0:31:03.040 even investigating that? Why aren't we looking at why these 0:31:03.120 --> 0:31:05.960 young men are going into this industry and then there's 0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.240 got them coming out with mental health issues and taking 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:10.840 their lives. This is something that's just beyond money. I 0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:13.320 think we need to be having a full and formal 0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:17.320 investigation into this, and two labor governments, the Victorian government 0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:19.840 and the federal government, need to start explaining why they've 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.640 removed all the powers from effectively the police on construction 0:31:22.760 --> 0:31:25.760 sites in both levels of government that have allowed this 0:31:25.800 --> 0:31:28.320 to occur across the state. My answer is quite simple. 0:31:28.600 --> 0:31:30.760 They get a lot of donations from the sea for me, you, 0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:34.360 and they can't afford to not get them. 0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.920 Yeah, millions of dollars of donations and it shouldn't be 0:31:38.000 --> 0:31:42.240 up to And I must congratulate the nine papers and 0:31:42.360 --> 0:31:44.880 sixty minutes in the financial review they've done on our 0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:47.720 standing job on this investigation, although as you point out, 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.880 some of what they've revealed is not you we already 0:31:50.920 --> 0:31:53.200 knew about it, but they pulled this whole package together 0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:56.680 to show just how corrupt this union was. And I 0:31:56.840 --> 0:31:59.200 was on air on Friday night when Seka announced that 0:31:59.280 --> 0:32:01.120 he was quitting. He was going to come on the 0:32:01.120 --> 0:32:03.760 show and speak, and then he disappeared and turned his 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:06.560 zoom off. So I'm not quite sure what happened there, 0:32:06.560 --> 0:32:10.040 but it shouldn't take the media had to have to 0:32:10.040 --> 0:32:13.080 find this given we've had two Royal commissions, and we 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:16.880 did have until the Federal Labor Government Brad knocked it 0:32:16.920 --> 0:32:21.040 on the head the Australian Building Construction Commission, the ABCC 0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:24.680 that was doing an outstanding job and then sector bullied 0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:26.920 the blok who used to run that, who's now running 0:32:26.960 --> 0:32:28.680 the umpiring in the AFL. 0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:31.760 IF people want a better example, and I refer to 0:32:31.760 --> 0:32:33.560 the football a lot, and you can tell by what's 0:32:33.640 --> 0:32:36.560 behind me. When he reacted the way he did when 0:32:36.560 --> 0:32:39.320 Steve McBurney got his job, that was exactly what the 0:32:39.360 --> 0:32:42.880 CFMAU is with their management and their structure. It is 0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:46.160 bullied or costs, it is ensuring they get their own way. 0:32:46.760 --> 0:32:49.320 We've seen now evidence and I know Mick Nick McKenzie's 0:32:49.320 --> 0:32:51.240 done an amazing job in what he's done in his 0:32:51.280 --> 0:32:53.920 research in this but it's actually highlighting the fact of 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:57.360 the criminal elements that are within the sector now on 0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:01.959 the construction sites here continuously, the drug taking increase and 0:33:02.000 --> 0:33:05.400 the use sales on construction sites here in our state. 0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:09.479 These aren't private construction sites. These are government construction sites. 0:33:09.880 --> 0:33:11.640 Most of the building going on in this state at 0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:15.320 the moment is the big build project. They've effectively running 0:33:15.360 --> 0:33:17.680 everything that is being controlled in this state. We've seen 0:33:17.680 --> 0:33:19.520 it when we've had in the past with violence on 0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:22.840 the streets from the CFMU that started over ten twelve 0:33:22.960 --> 0:33:25.280 years ago, when we saw it where horses were attacked, 0:33:25.280 --> 0:33:27.880 the Victoria police were attacked on the street by these 0:33:27.960 --> 0:33:31.000 thugs who are out there not protesting, not trying to 0:33:31.040 --> 0:33:33.120 say they want to pay rise or keep their sites safe. 0:33:33.160 --> 0:33:35.800 They just wanted to attack police. So this is not 0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.560 new within this industry. We need to stamp it out. 0:33:38.600 --> 0:33:41.479 And the way you can do that the Victorian Liberal 0:33:41.480 --> 0:33:44.400 Party and National Parties are committed to having the construction 0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:47.960 enforcement Victoria. We want to make sure that we've got 0:33:48.000 --> 0:33:51.400 the police on the ground using organizations to ensure we 0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:53.600 can stamp this out. If the FEDS won't do it, 0:33:53.720 --> 0:33:56.000 we will. We want to make sure that's going to happen. 0:33:56.000 --> 0:33:59.320 It is essential, but we need an independent formal investigation 0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:02.640 now to find out what connections not just from John Seca, 0:34:02.760 --> 0:34:06.280 what connections come from just into Allen's office, how many 0:34:06.280 --> 0:34:09.720 connections are in government, how many members of the current 0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.279 Parliament who are Labor Party members are attached to or 0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:16.880 taking donations from the CFMU. We want that evidence on 0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:18.759 the table because at the end of the day, the 0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.839 fish rots from the head. We've seen massive concerns through 0:34:21.920 --> 0:34:25.600 Victoria and that's starting with the current Premier, the former premier, 0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.200 and nearly every minister that sits at the table controlling 0:34:28.200 --> 0:34:29.080 Treasury at the moment. 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:32.480 And I'll tell you who else wants to know about 0:34:32.480 --> 0:34:35.800 all of those inner details, Brad, and that's the Victorian 0:34:35.840 --> 0:34:38.680 tax players who are being ripped off as these projects 0:34:38.760 --> 0:34:40.799 blow out in costs. Brad batanall was a pleasure, Thank 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:43.160 you very much for joining us. That's Brad Baton. They're 0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:47.800 still to come talking about communities in the regions suffering 0:34:47.960 --> 0:34:51.440 under tough budget targets. It's always the bush that cops it. 0:34:51.880 --> 0:34:55.360 A hospital in one country town in Australia is considering 0:34:55.680 --> 0:34:59.359 shutting its Emergency Department if you believe it. Plenty more 0:34:59.360 --> 0:35:01.680 to come after the break the Green's new plan for 0:35:01.760 --> 0:35:05.319 the next election, plus an investigation reveals the extent of 0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:13.120 the cost of living crisis. Welcome back to the program. 0:35:13.160 --> 0:35:17.680 Filling in of course tonight on sky Look I mentioned 0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:19.160 at the start of the program and I get sick 0:35:19.200 --> 0:35:23.160 and tired of the fact that regional and rural Australia 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.120 gets treated like the poor cousins when it comes to 0:35:26.239 --> 0:35:29.080 the provision of health services. Now we all know Victoria 0:35:29.200 --> 0:35:31.480 is broke. I mean that's just a fact and it's 0:35:31.520 --> 0:35:33.680 going to be broke for a very long time. So 0:35:33.719 --> 0:35:35.920 what the treasure at Tim Pallas and the Premier to 0:35:35.960 --> 0:35:38.319 Cinder Allen, who we've talked a lot about tonight, what 0:35:38.360 --> 0:35:41.600 they've had to do is telehealth providers that they've got 0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.960 to cut their budgets. I mean there's simply no money 0:35:43.960 --> 0:35:47.680 around and this is going to deliver a crisis for 0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.560 region and rural Victoria. Now they're scrambling to cut costs 0:35:51.640 --> 0:35:55.120 in a bid to ease that crippling debt. Now tens 0:35:55.120 --> 0:35:57.560 of thousands of Victorians that's reported in the Herald Sun 0:35:57.640 --> 0:36:03.000 this week are now facing being left without critical emergency care. Now. 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:06.280 One of the places most badly affected is the Mildurra 0:36:06.400 --> 0:36:09.839 based hospital. Now Heraldsun reported that the only way that 0:36:09.920 --> 0:36:13.879 hospital can meet Labour's tough new targets is by can 0:36:13.920 --> 0:36:16.560 you believe this and if you know Milduro, it's quite remote, 0:36:16.880 --> 0:36:19.239 very remote. In fact, it's in the most remote corner 0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:21.680 of Victoria. The only way they can meet those targets 0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:26.279 is by shutting down their emergency department, ending pediatric care. 0:36:26.520 --> 0:36:30.359 There was even talk about having to shut down other 0:36:30.600 --> 0:36:33.719 arms of the hospital. Joining me to discuss this is 0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:38.160 National's member for Mildura, Jade Benham Jade. What the hell 0:36:38.239 --> 0:36:39.400 has has this come to? 0:36:40.719 --> 0:36:43.920 I mean, it's if you needed a reality check on 0:36:44.040 --> 0:36:47.839 how dire the system is in Victoria as far as 0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:48.640 public health goes. 0:36:48.719 --> 0:36:49.200 This is it. 0:36:49.600 --> 0:36:53.760 When you have a health minister telling the local board 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.280 and the local management that they need to do better 0:36:57.320 --> 0:37:00.920 than the practical measures the board had already outlined. 0:37:01.680 --> 0:37:04.640 It is just abhorrent. It's insanity. 0:37:04.719 --> 0:37:10.080 And given that our nearest health service is four hundred 0:37:10.200 --> 0:37:12.960 kilometers away and will we service a tri state area, 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:15.000 you know we're far west New South Wales and the 0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:17.080 Riverland in South Australia as well. 0:37:17.320 --> 0:37:20.480 It's absolutely insane. 0:37:21.680 --> 0:37:24.640 So you're a proud Maley girl, you love that area. 0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:27.440 But I mean for the rest of Australia watching is tonight. 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.879 I mean, just explain mil Juror's as far away from 0:37:30.960 --> 0:37:33.920 Melbourne as you can get in Victoria without going across 0:37:34.000 --> 0:37:38.839 the Murray into New South Wales or west into South Australia. 0:37:38.920 --> 0:37:43.200 Where would your nearest emergency department be if God forbid 0:37:43.200 --> 0:37:45.040 the Milgeia Hospital had to shut. 0:37:44.800 --> 0:37:52.040 THEIRS, it would be Bendigo. And we can see Bendigo 0:37:52.239 --> 0:37:54.200 and it is harder to get to than it is 0:37:54.640 --> 0:37:57.480 than it is to Melbourne. It is insane. Bendigo is 0:37:57.480 --> 0:38:02.040 our nearest. There's swan Hill, but swan Hill under construction 0:38:02.120 --> 0:38:05.359 at the moment, so their capacity is even though their 0:38:05.440 --> 0:38:07.160 population is much smaller. 0:38:07.200 --> 0:38:08.719 There is an emergency room. 0:38:08.520 --> 0:38:12.280 There, but Bendigo is where they are going to push patients. 0:38:14.800 --> 0:38:16.759 So if I'm out on a farm and I'm doing 0:38:16.800 --> 0:38:20.560 some labor that requires me to use heavy machinery and 0:38:20.600 --> 0:38:23.680 I get badly hurt, am I being flown to bendigar 0:38:23.719 --> 0:38:25.160 Or Am I being packed into the back of an 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:26.720 ambulance and driven down the highway. 0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:29.960 It's you are being put in an ambulance now. 0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:33.960 I've been speaking to ambulance members over the weekend and 0:38:34.080 --> 0:38:37.000 ambulance members in the far northwest of the state, in 0:38:37.040 --> 0:38:40.839 fact statewide, are under such pressure. But when you've got 0:38:40.920 --> 0:38:44.840 ambulances even making the trip between robin Vale and Miljura 0:38:44.960 --> 0:38:49.879 because there's no emergency room in Robinvale, I mean, it's 0:38:50.200 --> 0:38:53.560 just how amb has already so overworked and to take 0:38:53.600 --> 0:38:57.680 them four hundred kilometers away is just insanity. I do 0:38:57.840 --> 0:39:02.520 know that there are twenty two medical flights per day 0:39:03.160 --> 0:39:07.120 already out of Mildura Regional Airport. That is almost one 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:09.960 an hour. It's crazy. 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:11.080 Who's paying for that? 0:39:12.880 --> 0:39:16.719 Well, I mean they're royal flying doctors and sometimes Ambulance Victoria. 0:39:16.800 --> 0:39:21.680 But Ambulance Victoria are also in huge financial strife at 0:39:21.680 --> 0:39:23.680 the moment, and I'm sure that there'll be more to 0:39:23.719 --> 0:39:27.640 come on that in the next few days. But it's 0:39:27.719 --> 0:39:31.080 essentially the taxpayer is paying for this, and it's just 0:39:31.120 --> 0:39:36.120 a brutal reminder that this allen labor government can't prioritize, 0:39:36.480 --> 0:39:39.640 certainly can't manage money or the health system, and it's 0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.839 people like us in Mildura and the Nali that are 0:39:41.880 --> 0:39:43.640 paying the price every single day. 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:48.920 We're talking to Jay Benham, who's the National's member for Mildura. 0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:52.920 Explain to me, forget about emergency apartment for a second. 0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.600 If I'm a pregnant mum and need to give birth 0:39:56.719 --> 0:39:59.759 then suddenly something might go wrong. Or if I need 0:39:59.800 --> 0:40:04.479 peace pediatric care, what's the hospital providing in mill Dura 0:40:04.560 --> 0:40:06.240 for me with these cuts in place. 0:40:07.440 --> 0:40:10.400 Well, currently we have a new pediatric unit and we 0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:14.200 have maternity. I had my two sons in Mildura. If 0:40:14.200 --> 0:40:17.719 the maternity service is there, But what the government is 0:40:17.840 --> 0:40:22.360 asking of management and the board is to illustrate that 0:40:22.480 --> 0:40:25.120 to break even and get to a break even position, 0:40:25.280 --> 0:40:30.640 they need to cut maternity services. Now that is absolutely 0:40:30.840 --> 0:40:33.440 ludicrous for a community that. 0:40:33.600 --> 0:40:34.719 Is so far away. 0:40:34.760 --> 0:40:38.240 I mean we're the most isolated regional city in the state. 0:40:39.360 --> 0:40:40.160 What would we do. 0:40:40.239 --> 0:40:43.000 We would have to either make plans to go to 0:40:43.920 --> 0:40:47.760 Bendigo or swan Hill or somewhere else that's also under 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:54.279 extreme pressure to birth. Now, I know that when you 0:40:54.360 --> 0:40:57.560 are pregnant and just about ready to give birth, things 0:40:57.560 --> 0:41:01.239 don't always go to plans, so that it's not practical. 0:41:01.400 --> 0:41:01.960 It's just not. 0:41:04.840 --> 0:41:08.160 On the jade. On the broader question, I mean, how 0:41:08.200 --> 0:41:11.960 does your community, the people of Milduror feel when they 0:41:12.000 --> 0:41:15.200 see the state labor government plowing more money and in fact, 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:17.680 the Premier de center Ala last week said we are 0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.560 plowing ahead with a suburban rail loop, which, as I've described, 0:41:21.560 --> 0:41:24.520 a train line from nowhere to somewhere no one wants 0:41:24.560 --> 0:41:27.360 to go. How do you feel as a taxpayer of 0:41:27.440 --> 0:41:30.160 Victoria when you see all of that money going into 0:41:30.239 --> 0:41:34.359 these city based projects, which to my eye are all 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:38.960 about saving labour seats in suburban Melbourne, of course they. 0:41:38.840 --> 0:41:43.839 Are, and keeping the unions like CFMAU happy. Meanwhile, us 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:45.920 up here in the great northwest of the state that 0:41:46.000 --> 0:41:48.759 are producing all of the food for the city are 0:41:49.040 --> 0:41:53.239 still without a passenger rail service. We're still without an 0:41:53.280 --> 0:41:56.920 efficiently running rail freight service, and the trucks are just 0:41:57.000 --> 0:42:00.399 getting bigger, the roads are crumbling. So when we see 0:42:00.440 --> 0:42:02.960 and this is one of my biggest bugbears, when we 0:42:03.000 --> 0:42:06.120 see all of that money and paying twenty six million 0:42:06.120 --> 0:42:09.439 dollars a day in interest free payments, when we see 0:42:09.480 --> 0:42:12.640 all of that money going into huge holes under the 0:42:12.680 --> 0:42:17.600 city and a suburban rail loop, we are just befuddled. 0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:20.359 I think is the most diplomatic way I could put 0:42:20.400 --> 0:42:21.000 it at the moment. 0:42:21.120 --> 0:42:23.719 But it is just crazy and people are angry. They 0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:24.800 have had enough. 0:42:25.200 --> 0:42:28.520 They know that Labor has been on the nose for 0:42:28.560 --> 0:42:31.880 a long time. And it's just as you said earlier, Steve, 0:42:32.520 --> 0:42:34.600 we just feel like the four cousins. 0:42:34.600 --> 0:42:36.200 We're just out here to grow the food. 0:42:38.800 --> 0:42:41.040 Well, I think it's pathetic and good luck to you. 0:42:41.560 --> 0:42:43.960 Let's keep in touch and anytime you want to ere 0:42:44.040 --> 0:42:46.520 your grievances on this issue, I'd love to have you 0:42:46.560 --> 0:42:47.280 back on the program. 0:42:47.360 --> 0:42:50.600 Jade, thanks a lot, Thanks so much, Steve, appreciate the time. 0:42:52.680 --> 0:42:54.759 How impressive is Jade. I must get her regularly on 0:42:54.760 --> 0:42:56.839 the Friday Show. Plenty more to come. The Greens new 0:42:56.920 --> 0:43:00.719 plan for the next election is one little join us 0:43:00.719 --> 0:43:08.480 as well. Welcome back to Steve Price Infushari for the 0:43:08.480 --> 0:43:10.719 rest of the week. As I mentioned, Green's leader Adam 0:43:10.760 --> 0:43:14.239 Bant has outlined his plan in The Australian Today for 0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:17.320 the next election by calling his party the robin Hood Party, 0:43:17.560 --> 0:43:19.920 whatever that might mean. He says the Greens have replaced 0:43:19.960 --> 0:43:23.480 Labor as the authentic party of the center left, adopting 0:43:23.560 --> 0:43:26.560 stronger policies to fight inequality. Well, we'll see about that. 0:43:26.880 --> 0:43:30.280 Joining me to discuss this is LMP MP Garth Hamilton 0:43:30.320 --> 0:43:34.439 with us from Queensland tonight and LABOR Daniel Molino, who 0:43:34.480 --> 0:43:37.719 is in Victoria. Welcome to you both. Daniel. Just before 0:43:37.719 --> 0:43:41.040 we get onto Adam Bant, you hold the seat of 0:43:41.080 --> 0:43:45.080 Fraser in Melbourne and Derrim. It is within that seat 0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.960 where that dreadful fire that we saw unfold at the 0:43:49.040 --> 0:43:52.160 end of last week in the chemical factory. What's the 0:43:52.200 --> 0:43:55.239 situation there now? Is it all resolved? But boy it 0:43:55.280 --> 0:44:01.000 looked very dangerous. Oh hi Steve, thanks for having me on. 0:44:01.440 --> 0:44:04.560 Yeah, look, it was very concerning and I'll be seeking 0:44:05.080 --> 0:44:09.160 a briefing from the EPA and Melbourne Water. 0:44:09.040 --> 0:44:10.279 As to the status of that. 0:44:10.320 --> 0:44:13.680 There're state agencies, but I think it's very important that 0:44:14.000 --> 0:44:18.640 they provide briefing to all levels of government and I think, 0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:21.759 as you say, what it raises is issues around the 0:44:21.800 --> 0:44:25.280 management of those sites. But of course there are potentially 0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.160 longer term issues when there are incidents like that, around 0:44:28.160 --> 0:44:32.319 the water supply, around the firefighting that needs to go 0:44:32.360 --> 0:44:34.360 on in order to bring those kinds of incidents to 0:44:34.920 --> 0:44:37.839 under control, and whether or not some of the firefighting 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.600 materials end up getting into the water supply. So fortunately, 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:45.200 my understanding is that there were no serious injuries as 0:44:45.200 --> 0:44:47.480 a result of this incident, but there have been in 0:44:48.360 --> 0:44:51.800 similar incidents in the past, so it's really worth looking 0:44:51.800 --> 0:44:52.440 at closely. 0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:57.520 Yeah, it's a miracle that nobody was heard Garth just 0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:59.360 on Adam Bant, did you I'm not sure if you 0:44:59.440 --> 0:45:02.680 read that manifesto in the Australian today. I'm thinking about 0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.120 writing about it at the weekend. What do you make 0:45:05.160 --> 0:45:08.920 of his interpretation of where the Coalition and the Labor 0:45:08.920 --> 0:45:10.879 Party sit on the left and the right. 0:45:12.560 --> 0:45:15.600 Well, look, like all times, when Adam opens his mouth, 0:45:15.640 --> 0:45:18.480 I don't think he's being entirely honest. My good friend 0:45:18.560 --> 0:45:20.480 Dan there will know this. He's down in Melbourne having 0:45:20.520 --> 0:45:23.239 to fight the Greens. Look, why would he give up 0:45:23.360 --> 0:45:26.160 being the party of complaint. I don't believe him for 0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:30.160 a second. The Greens have got this great scheme going 0:45:30.160 --> 0:45:34.720 where they tell people that he's lovely, cuddly environmentally friendly people. 0:45:35.440 --> 0:45:35.759 They're not. 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:38.160 They've got a very clear of view on what they 0:45:38.200 --> 0:45:39.880 want to do with your money. If you work for it, 0:45:39.920 --> 0:45:41.719 they want to take it and give it to somebody else. 0:45:42.440 --> 0:45:46.360 They've come up with all these wonderful slogans. But problemly 0:45:46.440 --> 0:45:48.279 is being in government, she held to accounts, you have 0:45:48.320 --> 0:45:51.520 to do things, you get some responsibility put on your shoulders. 0:45:51.520 --> 0:45:53.319 The Greens don't want that. This is all just make 0:45:53.400 --> 0:45:57.319 believe and quite frankly, I think it's a it's so 0:45:57.440 --> 0:46:01.280 fast that the Greens pretend or that we'd even imagine 0:46:01.280 --> 0:46:04.400 them taking on that sort of responsibility. They don't speak 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:05.040 of that, don't want it. 0:46:06.880 --> 0:46:09.759 Daniel, have you got a Green against you? What's your 0:46:09.760 --> 0:46:12.360 margin over them? 0:46:12.920 --> 0:46:15.440 Well, look, I've got a decent number of people who 0:46:15.520 --> 0:46:19.239 vote Green in my electorate. And look, I understand that 0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:23.640 there is a bit of frustration with both major parties 0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:26.040 at the minute, but look, my concern with the Greens 0:46:26.160 --> 0:46:28.760 is that they are offering, and I agree with Garth, 0:46:28.800 --> 0:46:33.640 they're offering a populist, superficially attractive alternative. I think when 0:46:33.640 --> 0:46:36.280 you look at the Greens over the last decade or more, 0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:38.240 I went and had to look at the Greens primary 0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.000 vote for the last five elections. In twenty ten, their 0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.640 vote was around twelve percent and it's been going up 0:46:43.640 --> 0:46:46.560 and down for the period in between then and the 0:46:46.640 --> 0:46:48.719 last election in twenty twenty two, when again it was 0:46:48.840 --> 0:46:52.040 approximately twelve percent. So look, the Greens are kind of 0:46:52.719 --> 0:46:56.440 hovering around this just over ten percent, ten to twelve 0:46:56.440 --> 0:46:59.160 percent margin. And I think what that reflects is the 0:46:59.200 --> 0:47:02.880 fact that the Greens offer what I would describe as 0:47:02.920 --> 0:47:07.160 an extremist foreign policy to the Australian community, which the 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:10.560 vast majority of people aren't interested in. And when it 0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:14.759 comes to economic policy, when it comes to their tax policy, 0:47:15.080 --> 0:47:18.080 when it comes to things like rent controls, they're not 0:47:18.160 --> 0:47:24.040 the Robin Hoods. Rather what they are economically irresponsible people 0:47:24.040 --> 0:47:26.040 who are basically trying to make everybody. 0:47:25.719 --> 0:47:30.040 For People will wake up to them, I'm sure about that. 0:47:30.440 --> 0:47:32.800 Garth Peter Dutton's got his nose in front of the poles. 0:47:34.280 --> 0:47:36.839 Well, look, you know say what all politicians say when 0:47:36.840 --> 0:47:38.600 you talk about polling, there's only one that matters, and 0:47:38.600 --> 0:47:40.880 that's the election. But I think the troubling thing for 0:47:41.520 --> 0:47:43.440 Labor would definitely be the trend that you've seen in 0:47:43.480 --> 0:47:46.759 those polling numbers, particular on the resolve pole. This has 0:47:46.760 --> 0:47:50.359 been going quite steadily downhill since mate. My take on it, 0:47:50.560 --> 0:47:52.319 like most people, I think this is what happens when 0:47:52.360 --> 0:47:55.120 you take your eye off the economy. You know, we 0:47:55.520 --> 0:47:58.200 saw eighteen months of this government focused on the voice 0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.000 and unfortunate during that time. I think that's when things 0:48:01.000 --> 0:48:04.000 were getting bad, and the government's done a lot of 0:48:04.040 --> 0:48:06.640 work to try and tell people that this is now 0:48:06.640 --> 0:48:09.600 their number one priority. To be honest, I think people 0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:11.680 are a little bit concerned about that. And when they 0:48:11.719 --> 0:48:14.040 see the price of everything going up around and they 0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:17.920 see the threat of inflation continuing, interest rate rises potentially 0:48:17.960 --> 0:48:21.080 continuing on into the future, they get worried and they 0:48:21.120 --> 0:48:23.000 turn a look at the government and they're making an 0:48:23.000 --> 0:48:25.440 assessment as to how seriously they've taken these challenges. 0:48:27.120 --> 0:48:27.279 Yeah. 0:48:27.360 --> 0:48:28.960 I said at the beginning of the program that its 0:48:29.000 --> 0:48:31.520 cost of living stupid, and that's exactly what it is. 0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:34.080 Daniel Garth, thank you very much for joining us tonight. 0:48:34.440 --> 0:48:36.000 We'll have a bit more time next week. We just 0:48:36.040 --> 0:48:39.000 got a bit jammed by Donald Trump's goings on today. 0:48:39.040 --> 0:48:41.520 Thank you very much. Coming up, I'll be back to 0:48:42.000 --> 0:48:45.759 host Shari tomorrow night. Coming up on the program after me. 0:48:46.280 --> 0:48:49.680 Well that's for me tonight. I'll see you tomorrow night.