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Speaker 1: today's Bestie segment. Absolutely, Hey, ladies, I'm in two minds.

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Speaker 1: Here's the backstory. I went to school with my husband

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Speaker 1: and we married at twenty years old. We're now forty

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Speaker 1: all pretty typical. We've been through a lot together, changed

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Speaker 1: and morphed as indie jewels and as couples many many times.

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Speaker 1: I've been working on my childhood trauma in therapy sessions

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Speaker 1: and it's brought up a lot for me. One aspect

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Speaker 1: I've worked on hard to unlearn is sexual shame and

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Speaker 1: repression that was drummed into me as a young girl.

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Speaker 1: Only now at forty am I truly coming into my

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Speaker 1: sensuality and my sexual expression. I self pleasured for the

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Speaker 1: first time.

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Speaker 2: Ever last year. Oh wow, I had my first orgasm

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Speaker 2: recently and have gone from missus missionary to missus f Yeah,

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Speaker 2: let's try it in such a short.

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Speaker 1: Such a short spend time. This is amazing.

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Speaker 2: We give most things to go in the bedroom. Now

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Speaker 2: it's been liberating, fun, connecting, and healing. I've also learned

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Speaker 2: that my biggest turn on is jealousy. When I was young,

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Speaker 2: I felt it as jealous anger, and frustration if he

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Speaker 2: But I had a physical response to my jealousy. It

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Speaker 2: was arousal, arousal that I never acknowledged was there, and

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Speaker 2: I don't think that I knew what the sensation really was.

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Speaker 2: I've recently shared with him my jealousy kink. He was

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Speaker 2: initially worried that I seriously wanted him to go and

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Speaker 2: just like to fantasize. I asked him for his fantasy

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Speaker 2: but he always just says you. We've been using these

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Speaker 2: mate up stories of him fucking other girls as full play.

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Speaker 2: But the more we talk about it, the more I

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Speaker 2: need to take part or watch. I just love to

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Speaker 2: hear his stories when he gets home. But what if

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Speaker 2: he took that step and he agreed to do it.

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Speaker 2: That can't be undone. What if him being with another

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Speaker 2: girl tormented me forever or ruined what we have together?

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Speaker 2: Would I feel like I've been cheated on, even though

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Speaker 2: it was my idea?

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Speaker 1: But what if he.

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Speaker 2: Unleashes a higher level of lust and desire? What if

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Speaker 2: we go up another few levels of connection, intimacy and

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Speaker 2: mind blowing sex. Once it's done, it's done, But I

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Speaker 1: Help, Well, it's so interesting. Oh my goodness, there's so

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Speaker 1: many layers to that, so many layers. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: thank you for coming forward and like just being open

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Speaker 1: and vulnerable even though we have no idea who you are.

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Speaker 1: Like I can imagine that would be scary to have

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Speaker 1: that you've brought it in. Yeah, firstly for me, like

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Speaker 1: I can relate in some level. I used to be

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Speaker 1: like over the last five years, I've definitely found it

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Speaker 1: I feel like I've spoken about this before that i'd

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, And I think I don't know because I haven't

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Speaker 1: Guys are pretty clear though, Yeah, if you guys have.

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Speaker 2: There's no harm in having that conversation if that's what

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Speaker 1: He might not actually even be slightly interested in doing

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Speaker 2: That sounds like the biggest thing is like getting clear

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Speaker 1: And I think because like you said, it's long term

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Speaker 1: and they've got such a solid foundation I think, and

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Speaker 1: really good communication. They're talking about everything, they're open about it.

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Speaker 1: There's no shame, it's okay to have these things come forward.

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Speaker 1: And now it's I think, just really having faith in

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Speaker 1: it's exciting. I talk about the jealousy thing, but when

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Speaker 1: I've spoken about it before, it's like a healthy jealousy, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Jealousy, I think there's a healthy jealousy comes from when

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Speaker 2: when you don't feel stable in it, when.

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Speaker 1: You're not secure within yourself as well. That's the relationship

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Speaker 1: and yourself. Like I definitely I've shared with you that

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Speaker 1: there's been different stories that Steve's told me the past.

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Speaker 1: It used to make me so angry and jealous and

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Speaker 1: then the last couple of years, I'm like, can you

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Speaker 1: why is this a trap? I'm like, no, but what

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Speaker 1: but it turns me on in a way. It's like,

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Speaker 2: And the cool thing about this is like that jealousy

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Speaker 2: So it's like you know that that's something that would

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Speaker 1: But I've also had to bring it forward without shame.

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Speaker 1: People don't talk about this stuff. That's so true. Ever

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Speaker 1: hear anyone talk about a jealousy king. It's like a

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Speaker 1: taboo thing to talk about. You want to talk about kinks, right,

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Speaker 1: we want to talk about anything. No, we're talking about

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Speaker 1: kings the other day, and like you taught me what

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Speaker 1: to know? Absolutely? Absolutely we want same here. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: it's like, who made that wrong? Yes, who along the

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Speaker 2: And the interesting thing about topics like this is that

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Speaker 2: only person who can know what feels good for you

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Speaker 1: And if you're still not sure, I feel like I

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Speaker 1: talking about it sometimes talking about it, yeah, because it's

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Speaker 1: it's like there's one thing to fantasize about. It doesn't

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Speaker 1: super healing for us in our friendship is like we

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Speaker 2: I don't want to explore that, but having just spoken

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Speaker 2: about it allows me to just explore it in my mind,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, good, Yeah, so maybe that might

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Speaker 2: be for you, or maybe you might want to explore

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Speaker 2: it and you'll figure that out with your husband.

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Speaker 1: I'm so curious what his thoughts will be around this, Like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't imagine if I it said

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Speaker 1: another woman without me there? Yeah, I don't know. I

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Speaker 2: And then it's also exploring okay with your partner saying oh, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: You communicate them. You asked him his fantasy just says you,

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Speaker 1: I'd so love to dig deeper on that. Yeah. I

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Speaker 1: I can only speak from experience, but my fantasy that

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Speaker 1: it's like cool, and that's awesome. That's an interesting thing, right.

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Speaker 2: shame is sexual shame. It's heavy, it's hard, and it's

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Speaker 2: So you never want to jeopardize what that person is

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Speaker 1: That's what you don't want. It's so scary to think

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Speaker 1: act on it. Yeah, I just keep doing what you're doing,

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Speaker 2: If you have more that you want to share, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Drop an updates. Honestly, if you decide to go ahead,

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Speaker 2: I'd love an update on the conversation. When did he expect?

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Speaker 2: Did he share with you his fantasies? What that conversation

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Speaker 1: And it's cool that you're sharing yours because hopefully it

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Speaker 1: because no few years to me, it's been enough just

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Speaker 2: Oh, good luck, my love, So let us know how you.

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Speaker 1: Go yeah, update would be amazing. Sounds good guys, Bye bye,