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Speaker 2: First, Welcome to the show. This is Better than Yesterday.

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Speaker 2: Useful tools and useful conversations to help make your day

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Speaker 2: to day better than yesterday. Every week, twice a week

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Speaker 2: since twenty thirteen, Mine Am Josha Ginsberg, and Shelley Craft

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Speaker 2: is on the show. Today Today we're gonna talk about motherhood,

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Speaker 2: aging fabulously, being comfortable in your own skin, and what

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Speaker 2: it takes to stay on our screens, stay loved enough

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Speaker 2: to be invited into people's homes via television for over

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Speaker 2: thirty years, from Saturday Disney to Funniest Home Videos, to

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Speaker 2: The Block and beyond. I do have to pay the bills,

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Speaker 2: so here's some ads. We're back with Shelly Craft at

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Speaker 2: a moment. Thank you so much for listening to the show.

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Speaker 2: I've got a question, what does it take to remain

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Speaker 2: one of the most loved names and faces on Australian

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Speaker 2: television for decades. You're gonna get some answers in the

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Speaker 2: next hour or so. Shelley Craft is our guest today.

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Speaker 2: She opens right up about how she broke through on

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Speaker 2: the way. Shelley also she's a lot of other things.

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Speaker 2: She's a mum, she's a podcaster. She has a podcast

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Speaker 2: called The Aging Project, which she says is all about

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Speaker 2: learning the holistic secrets of aging. Fabulously, she's a real

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Speaker 2: to all of that stuff today, including the importance of service,

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Speaker 2: the power in not having to be in control of everything,

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Speaker 2: of being comfortable in your own skin, being easy on yourself,

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Speaker 2: maintaining curiosity as a primary purpose in your day. Enjoy

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Speaker 2: this conversation with Shelley Craft. Shelley, I'm very happy you're

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Speaker 2: here today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Because I've done this podcast since twenty thirteen, I think

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Speaker 2: at nearly a thousand interviews that I've done, But in

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Speaker 2: all those guests, I have never felt the confidence, nay,

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I come with a good attitude.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing that if I look back at the

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Speaker 1: my god, I've had so many lucky opportunities, and that

437
00:21:56,760 --> 00:22:01,159
Speaker 1: gets very self deprecating as you move. But I'm not

438
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: a journalist. I have no other skills but being comfortable

439
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 1: with being me, and there's not many of us. I'm

440
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:10,600
Speaker 1: not an Olympian. I don't have a gold medal. And

441
00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:12,760
Speaker 1: now television is made up of a lot of people

442
00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 1: with other incredible skills and knowledge that they can bring.

443
00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:19,679
Speaker 1: I just bring again. I guess I have put it

444
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,800
Speaker 1: down to this curiosity.

445
00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 2: When you talk to young people who are keen, they

446
00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: won't be in television. But when you talk to young

447
00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 2: people who are keen to I don't know, start a

448
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:32,080
Speaker 2: YouTube channel or whatever, how do you Because often these people.

449
00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:34,160
Speaker 2: The thing about working in the environments that we came

450
00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:38,080
Speaker 2: up in, they were very collective, they were probably minimum.

451
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 2: If you're on a travel show, maybe you're always going

452
00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:43,080
Speaker 2: to be with five other people. But so many people

453
00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:45,280
Speaker 2: now they're coming up in a solo environment where the

454
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:46,959
Speaker 2: only feedback they get is a number that either goes

455
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,120
Speaker 2: up or down, and they don't know why. So when

456
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,439
Speaker 2: people come to you and they ask, you, know, what

457
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 2: advice do you have for me? Like, how do you know?

458
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:57,360
Speaker 2: I don't know advice a young woman or a young

459
00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 2: man who's coming to you asking about trying to start out, Now, Oh, it's.

460
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 1: Probably the same advice I've always given. And I did

461
00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 1: try and teach a presenter's course for a while through

462
00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 1: one of the casting companies in Sydney, and I said,

463
00:23:11,760 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 1: I don't know how I can make I don't know

464
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,800
Speaker 1: how I can spread this out over three nights a

465
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,800
Speaker 1: week for six weeks. There's nothing else to say but

466
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,479
Speaker 1: be comfortable in your own skin. And if you're not

467
00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:25,800
Speaker 1: comfortable in your own skin, this isn't the place for

468
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 1: you to be. Find something else to do. Because and

469
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 1: even this was long before, as you say, that immediate

470
00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,359
Speaker 1: feedback of numbers or comments or you know, whatever it

471
00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:38,359
Speaker 1: might be where people can actually get hold of you.

472
00:23:38,800 --> 00:23:40,720
Speaker 1: I was like, how can you do all the crazy

473
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 1: things that you asked to do, particularly on a kid

474
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: show or a travel show, if you can't get past

475
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: the fact that a million people are watching you at

476
00:23:50,520 --> 00:23:53,760
Speaker 1: home while you eat that cricket or while you you know,

477
00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 1: bungee jump or while you're getting a wedge eat, Like,

478
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: how how can you actually be in the moment if

479
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,199
Speaker 1: you're not in the moment with yourself. So that's the

480
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:06,359
Speaker 1: only advice I would still give anyone who had any

481
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,719
Speaker 1: desired drive to be in the public eye. It's just

482
00:24:10,960 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: be happy and comfortable with who you are first, or

483
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: be an actor and then you can be someone else.

484
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about with your own with your own family?

485
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 2: As you got you got kids who are starting to

486
00:24:22,600 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 2: get to the you know, time to you know, off

487
00:24:25,400 --> 00:24:28,199
Speaker 2: your pop go get a part time gig somewhere. What

488
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,480
Speaker 2: do you tell them about entering the workforce and what

489
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,040
Speaker 2: it's like to work with with other people in a team.

490
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:35,760
Speaker 1: It comes down to your work ethic, does it? And

491
00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 1: I don't know whether you're born with it. I mean

492
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 1: I say to my girls, you turn up and you

493
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 1: give one hundred percent. I don't care whether it's on

494
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 1: the sporting field, I don't care whether it's in the classroom.

495
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,879
Speaker 1: Treat school like a job, and I think it's really

496
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,920
Speaker 1: hard for kids. Now. I know that whole school environment

497
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 1: is a tricky one. I said, go there, do your job,

498
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,960
Speaker 1: and come home. That's it. The teacher is your boss.

499
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: You do what you're told and you come home and

500
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:02,919
Speaker 1: hopefully that will pay off for you.

501
00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,880
Speaker 2: But I think even there's something in knowing that you've

502
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,080
Speaker 2: done whatever you could that davinive. As you said before

503
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 2: it was only eighty percent. There is some amount of

504
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 2: satisfaction that comes just from Look, I gave it everything.

505
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 2: Whether the outcome is what we're all striving for or not,

506
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:24,680
Speaker 2: I can't control that. What I can control is my

507
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 2: effort control, and I feel good about the effort that

508
00:25:27,480 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: I've put in today.

509
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:34,240
Speaker 1: Look, you've probably worked out now. I'm pretty I'm pretty

510
00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 1: easy on myself. I know I'm not going to deliver

511
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: my best sometimes, and I don't hold that against myself.

512
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: I've worked out. I think that's being human, that you're

513
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 1: not always going to be at your best. Sometimes my

514
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:56,399
Speaker 1: best is pretty shitty, but it was still what I

515
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 1: thought was best at the time, whether it's a decision

516
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: or an effort. And I'm pretty good at not letting

517
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 1: myself off the hook, but just saying, wow, okay, you

518
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,879
Speaker 1: can well, you can do better. Okay, wasn't your best?

519
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: Let it go? Move on like it. You could say,

520
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: oh Jesus, I should have should have done this differently.

521
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:23,440
Speaker 1: Nothing you can do about it now, is there, So

522
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: get over it and move on.

523
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,520
Speaker 2: What's wonderful about the way that you and I came

524
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:31,359
Speaker 2: up As I came up through radio, you came up

525
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:34,960
Speaker 2: through television. But when it's live, you can't do anything

526
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: about it. When it's gone, it's gone in a TV whatever.

527
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,160
Speaker 2: They say, you're only as good as your last gig,

528
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Well you're only as good as your last break, all right,

529
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 2: so your last talk break. So it's okay, you can't

530
00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 2: do anything about it. You blew that caller, or you

531
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,840
Speaker 2: fucked up that whatever that reveal of the competition or whatever.

532
00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 1: At the end of this Addvrea and we've all done

533
00:26:56,640 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: it live on air, and I have I've made some

534
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: booboosh and it used to be live and disappeared and

535
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,720
Speaker 1: never seen again. And even now when it is live,

536
00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 1: somehow it's recorded and it turns up again and again

537
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 1: and again. I cannot find a frame of the first

538
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:17,359
Speaker 1: ten years of my television life. Really, they don't exist.

539
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 1: There is then nothing. Maybe you know, Charles Sim's got

540
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,960
Speaker 1: the buried somewhere deep. But yeah, everything from that point

541
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: now turns up. You know, you work walk into it.

542
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: I was at a fish and chip shop the other

543
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:30,720
Speaker 1: day and there was reruns of the block on from

544
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: a few years ago. You're like, oh, I thought that

545
00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: moment was gone, but no, here it is. So yeah,

546
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: maybe I should think about it a little bit more,

547
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,040
Speaker 1: but again, nothing I can do about it. And I

548
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: don't know. You tell me because I know I know

549
00:27:43,359 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: that you are a very deep thinker, is.

550
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 2: Am?

551
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,800
Speaker 1: I am I too lenient on myself? Should I think

552
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: about things a little bit more?

553
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: No? No, not at all? I know. And this is

554
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 2: what I'm getting at, is I think it's an enormous

555
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 2: ass it to understand the effort you put in, take

556
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:08,679
Speaker 2: a reasonable and expected amount of time to debrief and

557
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,479
Speaker 2: figure out, well, what actually happened there? It's not exactly

558
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 2: what I wanted? What could I do next time? And

559
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: then focus on that action point rather than and do

560
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 2: that thing with flinching. Oh that's why I did that

561
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: thing four years ago. And you like you remember that

562
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,719
Speaker 2: dumb thing you did once and it naunts you. It

563
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 2: takes up space in your brain. You could always be

564
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: here in the moment or you know, working on the

565
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 2: next thing. And that's an enormous asset. And the thing

566
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 2: about you know, I say quite a bit as kids

567
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: don't do what you tell them, they do what you

568
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: show them. And by doing that, you're showing your kids

569
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: this is a reasonable amount of time to you know,

570
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 2: hold yourself to account and a reasonable lot of times

571
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: are then and go all right, now, I'm just going

572
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:52,200
Speaker 2: to keep trying to do the best thing because I

573
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: can't change that thing. I'm going to work on this thing.

574
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 2: And that's an enormous thing to teach your kids.

575
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: I sometimes wish my kids knew me as a kid.

576
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 1: Do you ever think that, like now I'm a parent,

577
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,520
Speaker 1: And even the other day, I've told this story my daughter.

578
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: I was having fun in the morning, horror in the

579
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:15,200
Speaker 1: middle of everyone getting ready, you know, to go somewhere immediately.

580
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: And my little one, who's now thirteen, she basically might

581
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: me you drunk? I said, why, because you're having fun.

582
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,360
Speaker 1: You're like laughing and having fun in the morning, And

583
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,640
Speaker 1: I went, I used to laugh, And have you never

584
00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,880
Speaker 1: seen me laugh and have fun? Like I'm the most

585
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 1: fun person you're ever going to meet? Why is this

586
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: such a shock to you? And not that I'm grumpy

587
00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: in the mornings, but yeah, I went, Well, if you

588
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 1: knew me as a kid, would we have been friends?

589
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:48,600
Speaker 1: Would you have liked me? Would I have liked you?

590
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. Would we have been mates? It's a

591
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: big question.

592
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,680
Speaker 2: I wouldn't want my kids when I was a kid,

593
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 2: and I wouldn't want me to meet them. You know,

594
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 2: I was very different and a very weird person. I'm

595
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 2: very grateful I know me now.

596
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: But I don't want them to go. I don't want

597
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: you know, that whole idea of oh, you're parenting and

598
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: you'll make you you know, don't make the same mistakes

599
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 1: I made. Oh my gosh, go and make some mistakes.

600
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's also okase, but it's also and you know,

601
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:18,480
Speaker 2: you can't learn the lessons that I learned from those

602
00:30:18,520 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 2: respects mistakes if you don't make them in some form.

603
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,959
Speaker 2: So how can I protect you from the real terrible

604
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 2: version of that, but keep you safe as you explore

605
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: this and understand for yourself why that thing is not

606
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:36,760
Speaker 2: a good idea. That's also sometimes part of it. Yeah,

607
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 2: when you you got to Sydney, there was a moment

608
00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 2: where you took over a huge television franchise with funniest

609
00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 2: home videos, which was a beast of a television show.

610
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: It is before YouTube the only place to watch cute

611
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: cat videos or people falling off roofs on surfboards. There's

612
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 2: a reason those views those video get a squolion views

613
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 2: now is because it's funny.

614
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: It's funny.

615
00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 2: It's funny. Yeah, and tell me what that was like

616
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 2: to get the call up for such a massive, massive show,

617
00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: but also the pressure of I knew it like it.

618
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 1: Was our favorite show at home when we were kids,

619
00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: like my brothers and sisters. We loved it. Graham Kennedy,

620
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 1: you know whacked the old video and the JBCVCR. You

621
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: know it was catch grow not forever. The show had

622
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:33,560
Speaker 1: obviously evolved and changed a lot since since Graham hosted,

623
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: and then there had been sort of a rollout of

624
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: pretty young girls hosting the show. So I think it

625
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,880
Speaker 1: was very different. But as you say, the clips were

626
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: what made the show. And I've always said any show

627
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 1: that I've worked on, it's never been about me. It's

628
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,080
Speaker 1: been about the content. So Disney was about the cartoons,

629
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:52,600
Speaker 1: Great Outdoors was about the travel, funniest home videos was

630
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,760
Speaker 1: definitely about the videos and the blocks about the contestants.

631
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: Never been about me, which is great. That's kind of

632
00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: my disclaimer. Yes, I was a juggernaut. It was a

633
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,960
Speaker 1: staple in Australian television history and I'm thrilled to have

634
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 1: been a part of it. And I loved every single

635
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: second of it, even though some of the scripts I

636
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: did not understand and some of the jokes went over

637
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: my head. But oh my god, I think it was

638
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: the perfect show for me as a human. I thrived.

639
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: I loved it. But to be at the helm of

640
00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,040
Speaker 1: the show when it didn't return, that's a bit sad,

641
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 1: isn't it. YouTube did kill the video star and.

642
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:38,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, tell me about what that's like when because

643
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 2: I've been on shows that are canceled and everyone's going

644
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 2: to be facing a gig that not every business works.

645
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 2: You know, not everything is a success. You can't have

646
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 2: one hundred percent strike rate. You know, even the best

647
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 2: batsman gets out. Even Queensland lose the state of origin

648
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:57,800
Speaker 2: from time to time. It's going to happen. So what

649
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: did you learn about your relationship to success and your

650
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: relationship to the opposite of success when that show didn't

651
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Speaker 2: come back.

652
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Speaker 1: I can't remember the exact moment it wasn't coming back.

653
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: I was already filming Domestic Blitz as well, which was

654
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: sort of the prelude to the Block. So Scott cam

655
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: was the host and we used to go into people's

656
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,640
Speaker 1: houses and renovate them over three or four days. Then

657
00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: they'd come back.

658
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 2: Did they know you were coming? Or did you just

659
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 2: go hey? And just like Balk thrives through the door.

660
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Speaker 1: A lot of the time they didn't know we were coming,

661
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: or somebody in their family or neighborhood knew we were coming.

662
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: Some times when you rolled up at the front door

663
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Speaker 1: with the megaphone and a bus full of tradees, was

664
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Speaker 1: a little awkward. Well, be honest. And then when again,

665
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,800
Speaker 1: I'm very house proud, I completely understand that if someone

666
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: said move aside, I'm renovating your house, I would die

667
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 1: and not be thrilled about it. So I could see

668
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:00,000
Speaker 1: the look on a lot of the home owner's face.

669
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: They don't want to see it. What do we do?

670
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: Do we turn around and go back?

671
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 2: Note that's an associate producers job. I'm going to be

672
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 2: sitting in there. I'll be in the crew car if

673
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Speaker 2: you need me.

674
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Speaker 1: The planning had been going on for months and we

675
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: had had you know, architects and designers in their homes

676
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: obviously with the blessing of their family members for the

677
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: person that this was going to be a you know,

678
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,080
Speaker 1: an amazing surprise for so again sort of out of

679
00:34:26,080 --> 00:34:29,759
Speaker 1: my hands. So yes, I was already busy working on

680
00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 1: that when Funniest didn't come back, and I think I

681
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: was just devastated that the show itself was gone, not

682
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 1: that I had not a role in it, just that

683
00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: the show itself didn't exist. Why what do you mean

684
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: it's gone? Where are we going to have our fun

685
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 1: on Saturday nights? And again, you know your audience are

686
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: like ah, whether they were kids or adults. You know,

687
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: kids loved watching it, adults loved watching it before they

688
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,280
Speaker 1: went out. And every time there was a dog video

689
00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: or someone that fell off a chair backwards, you know

690
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: they have a few shots. Whatever your pre Saturday night

691
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: games were seemed to be related to funniest time videos.

692
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: It was an institution in that time slot. So I'm

693
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: just sad that my kids don't get to enjoy it.

694
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: You know, they watched clips without the stupid voiceover and

695
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: they think it's funny, and I say, let's watch some reruns.

696
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 2: I kept case said, very well out of that.

697
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:28,840
Speaker 1: Incredible. And then there were some of those little running jokes,

698
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:32,239
Speaker 1: like there was one where to go gadzooks and Gadzuks

699
00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: was kind of an inside joke for the fact that

700
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 1: we knew this video was a setup, and often it

701
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 1: was the same dude. He must have made hundreds and

702
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: hundreds of clips over the time of you know, the

703
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,080
Speaker 1: car rolling down the driveway with the door open, with

704
00:35:46,120 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: the wheelbarrow positions, like he went to a lot of

705
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: trouble to make these videos. But Gadzuks was his little,

706
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: you know, hidden clue word that hey, mate, we know,

707
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: we know you made this one. We know you've seen

708
00:35:59,080 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: him another.

709
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 2: Pre TikTok content creation. I like it absolutely. I guess

710
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 2: I was trying to get to you know, what, what

711
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 2: is it that you when you reflect on now, that

712
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 2: feeling when something doesn't go right and it's out of

713
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 2: your hands, but you are involved in it. What do

714
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 2: you do? How do you, you know, get up and

715
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 2: do the next thing.

716
00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: You always wish you'd saved a little bit better, don't you.

717
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 1: But then the other part of me goes, oh, well,

718
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: you're resourceful, you'll find something. So I guess I always

719
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: just thought, oh, well, that's my time, and I still

720
00:36:35,640 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 1: say it now when my time comes and you know

721
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 1: there's there's no job waiting for me anymore. Well, thanks

722
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,120
Speaker 1: very much, good night Australia. I've had fun and I

723
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: guess end of funniest home videos. I'd already moved on

724
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: to another show, so I was sort of filming too,

725
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: so I was still in the game of television. I

726
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: guess that's yeah, I guess that's what you're getting at.

727
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,600
Speaker 1: I was still working in an industry that I loved,

728
00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: so it didn't I didn't feel like I was losing

729
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: a part of me.

730
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:05,000
Speaker 2: But it changed. Did it change the way you thought

731
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 2: about your planning for the future though?

732
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 1: Have I started saving anymore? Nollie, No, I've I've got

733
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: another job now outside of TV, so I guess I

734
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,480
Speaker 1: do always have a little succession plan on the go

735
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 1: for the fact that I have been freelance now for

736
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: thirty years on a yearly contract for thirty years, so

737
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: really every Christmas I'm like, oh, well this might be it.

738
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 1: You know, the first of December's rolling around, this might

739
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: be it.

740
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: So yeah, this is the thing, like people have this

741
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,919
Speaker 2: idea that you sign on the show like the Block

742
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:46,240
Speaker 2: or whatever, and you sign these amazing five years, seven

743
00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 2: figured deals that hasn't existed since pre two thousand and

744
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: I think maybe four people got them. The idea that

745
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 2: if you get on TV for one season of something,

746
00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 2: you're set for life doesn't exist, and it hasn't for

747
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 2: there's maybe two people I can think of in the

748
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,360
Speaker 2: country that have those kind of deals. Oh everybody else's

749
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 2: year on you, everybody else's year to year, and you

750
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 2: just cross. Oh it's the worst.

751
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it it's sort of. I guess it's open ended,

752
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 1: and that idea I didn't. I didn't want a network

753
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: contract for the fact that then you have to do

754
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: lots of other little things like can you turn up

755
00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: to this, can it be at this? We've got this

756
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,359
Speaker 1: event happening. This is a show you have to do

757
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:35,719
Speaker 1: because you're on a contract, so it's actually quite wonderful

758
00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 1: to go, well, this is my job.

759
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 2: It's great. It's celebrity belly flops and you're going to

760
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:41,440
Speaker 2: be brilliant. We'll put you in a bikini.

761
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: But it was actually I think it was called Hole

762
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: in the Wall, and they made us wear silver Licras

763
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: suits exactly.

764
00:38:49,160 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 2: And that's how you end up with those people. That's

765
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 2: how you end up with network talent on those shows.

766
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 2: Taking a quick break from Shelley Craft, do you have

767
00:38:59,200 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: to play some ads before I do? Though? If this

768
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,160
Speaker 2: podcast is something that you're enjoying, please do share it

769
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:05,400
Speaker 2: with someone. Please do like it and follow it, subscribe

770
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 2: to it, and rate it and do all kinds of

771
00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: other things. If you want to support me, I'd love

772
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,240
Speaker 2: you to do this. Buy a copy of my books.

773
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,279
Speaker 2: All right? So what now? What is out right?

774
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:14,440
Speaker 1: Now?

775
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,839
Speaker 2: You can get links in the show notes. I might

776
00:39:16,880 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: be our last show for the year of story Club

777
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 2: on the ninth of November at the Factory Theater in

778
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: marckful Beck. Melrose who writes for Gruin, Harley Breen, Mark Humphreys,

779
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: Nina Oyama you know her from Deadlock, and one more

780
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 2: special guest yet to be announced. This one is selling

781
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,400
Speaker 2: real well, so get on top of that. The tickets

782
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:38,399
Speaker 2: are in the show notes. We'll be back with Shelley

783
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:48,359
Speaker 2: Kraft at a moment, you know, to a full transparency,

784
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 2: I went from Gold Logan nomination to unemployment. I haven't

785
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 2: worked full time in television in two years. I did

786
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,359
Speaker 2: four episodes of Dancing with the Stars. That's it. That's

787
00:39:57,400 --> 00:40:01,120
Speaker 2: what I've done. And I am fifty one, and I

788
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: am very much noticing that because I'm fifty one, there

789
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,239
Speaker 2: appetite to have someone who's my age involved in a

790
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 2: project is diminishing. And I understand it's an ageist industry,

791
00:40:17,239 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 2: and I understand that it's a lookist industry.

792
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 1: Do you think who's younger than us in television? I

793
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm fifty next year, next June. Is there

794
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: people younger than me on TV? I still think I'm

795
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:34,120
Speaker 1: one of the youngest people in television. There's not what

796
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,399
Speaker 1: we had, Osha. There's not a bunch of shows where

797
00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 1: you can cut your teeth in television. Maybe I'm just

798
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:44,680
Speaker 1: completely oblivious, Osha. But when I turn up to a

799
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:51,359
Speaker 1: Channel nine event, there's lots of beautiful well I call

800
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 1: them mature women. Maybe they don't consider themselves mature that

801
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: have all got kids, families. I think a lot has

802
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 1: changed in the time that I stay on air. I know,

803
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: you know, there was Nicky Buckley, Sail of the Century.

804
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: She was the first pregnant woman on television as far

805
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: as I can remember, And ever since then, everyone has

806
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,960
Speaker 1: had babies on air on television, they just don't shoot

807
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: you side on. I remember hosting Funniest. I had two

808
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:20,919
Speaker 1: babies while I was on Funniest. The one was hanging

809
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,680
Speaker 1: from the jolly jumper in the studio door, and I

810
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 1: was pregnant with the other one, and I'd just say

811
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:28,280
Speaker 1: to the camera and I'm not that. Just come around

812
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: a little bit more to the front. I'll just stay

813
00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:35,040
Speaker 1: front on till. I think there's a lot of beautiful

814
00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: older women on television.

815
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Speaker 2: You've never felt the pressure of being in a visual

816
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:45,320
Speaker 2: industry and getting older?

817
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: No, No, I have not. Maybe I just have this

818
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: insane ego.

819
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,840
Speaker 2: No, not at all, insane ego. You would not be

820
00:41:56,880 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 2: on TV because the time of dealing with this egos.

821
00:42:00,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: That's the other thing people think is like you can

822
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 2: be a dickhead and get away. No, No, that there's

823
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,719
Speaker 2: one person I can think of in broadcasting that is

824
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 2: hard to deal with, that still has a job, and

825
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,439
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say their name, but everybody else.

826
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 2: Is not enough time or money for dickheads.

827
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: No, there is not. And as you say, it's not

828
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,040
Speaker 1: what it was even before in the eighties. You know,

829
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: we've got this kind of idea of television and celebrities

830
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 1: and stars. I don't think it's it's certainly not that

831
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: way in my life anyway. I couldn't be more normal,

832
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: I don't think. And as you say, we're there to

833
00:42:38,120 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: help tell a story, it's not a story about me. Yeah,

834
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,759
Speaker 1: not my story. And you will never see me on

835
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 1: a reality show. I will I will never be dancing,

836
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: I will never be in a jungle. I will never

837
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 1: be swimming with sharks. It's not what I'm here for.

838
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: It's not about me.

839
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 2: It was fascinating to be on the other side of it.

840
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,080
Speaker 1: I couldn't do it. I find this hard enough talking

841
00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: to you. I'm finding this hard enough. Yeah, I couldn't

842
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:05,680
Speaker 1: do it. I couldn't be myself.

843
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: No, I'm interested you as you're approaching fifty, it's quite

844
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,440
Speaker 2: the milestone. How do you feel about getting older.

845
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 1: I'm excited about getting older. It's actually again, I think

846
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,600
Speaker 1: I've got a young outlook on life, I think, and

847
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 1: maybe a young attitude. So I'm youthful in my expression

848
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:37,080
Speaker 1: and my interest getting older. And certainly I've noticed at

849
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: first when I had kids, and it suddenly gave me

850
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: permission to be an adult. And I think I've always

851
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 1: leaned on the Disney thing as being one of the

852
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:48,040
Speaker 1: Disney kids. That's kept me very young, because by the

853
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: time I left that show, I was twenty five or

854
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,320
Speaker 1: six acting like a sixteen year old. So I'm literally

855
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 1: ten years younger than I really am. I think in

856
00:43:57,000 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 1: my mind that's me young, and it's also probably given

857
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 1: me an excuse in my own mind to stay young

858
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: and be youthful. So when I had kids, I went, wow,

859
00:44:08,560 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: I'm a grown up now, and people might treat me

860
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 1: like a grown up. And I know that turning thirty

861
00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 1: was certainly for a lot of women, it's like I'm

862
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: now an adult. I certainly didn't get treated any differently

863
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 1: at thirty than I did at twenty seven, and I

864
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 1: certainly didn't get treated any differently at forty than I

865
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 1: did at thirty. So coming on fifty, I'm hoping that

866
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I finally have some adultness.

867
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,080
Speaker 2: What does that look like? What's the adult this? I

868
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 2: mean because I know people in their eighties who are

869
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: still Grommets right, and I would love to be. And

870
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 2: that's I think from my experience, that is what I

871
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:47,640
Speaker 2: find is if you can maintain a childish curiosity about

872
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 2: the world you live in, life appears very differently for

873
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: you than if you're like another opening so many for

874
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 2: another Olympics.

875
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 1: You know, and someone for someone who has experienced a

876
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 1: heck of a lot. Because I did travel the world

877
00:45:01,880 --> 00:45:05,359
Speaker 1: for seven years on somebody else's budget. I saw a

878
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: lot of incredible things and some scary ones too. Yeah,

879
00:45:10,719 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: that that should make me a little bit ah hum

880
00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:16,400
Speaker 1: when you do. I've done that, done that, done that,

881
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 1: being there seeing that. And that's why I love traveling

882
00:45:18,960 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: with my kids, because I do get to see the

883
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 1: world through fresh eyes, and you do get to experience

884
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: them doing something for the first time. And I love that.

885
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,839
Speaker 1: I love that about being a mum that I get

886
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 1: to see my kids do things for the first time,

887
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 1: and I try to give them as many experiences as possible.

888
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: I think I've got this lovely kind of I don't

889
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 1: know what's happening now, but this I'm old enough to

890
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: not care. Yeah, but I'm also young enough to still

891
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: be curious, so I don't care what other people think. Really,

892
00:45:56,080 --> 00:45:58,080
Speaker 1: every so often I go ooh, okay, that hit a

893
00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: little bit hard, but I'm nothing I can do about

894
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: it now? Right again? Back to that, Oh, well, like

895
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: nothing I can do about it. So there is that

896
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,640
Speaker 1: not giving any fs as you get older, which is

897
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: a thing. It's an absolute thing, and for some people

898
00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,640
Speaker 1: that might kick in at twenty, but for me it's

899
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: probably kicking in it now forty nine. I'll care about

900
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: what I can, I'll control what I can. But other

901
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: than that, you're all on your own.

902
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 2: Really, you mentioned that when your kids come along it

903
00:46:28,280 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: was a transformation upon you. What are the what are

904
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: the best for people that are thinking about kids who

905
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 2: haven't had kids yet. Let's be fair here. What are

906
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:40,759
Speaker 2: the most incredible things and the most difficult things that

907
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: you've found about parenting.

908
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:47,880
Speaker 1: The most incredible things are that I just fascinated by

909
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: the fact that the baby's eyes that I looked in

910
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,680
Speaker 1: the day they were born are exactly the same eyes

911
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,359
Speaker 1: that I look in my girls now and I can

912
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: see that baby. I see the twinkle, and I see

913
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,399
Speaker 1: the cheekiness, and they look completely different obviously to everybody else,

914
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: but to me, I can see that bright eyed, fresh

915
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 1: faced new world I've just been born look in their

916
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 1: eyes and that that's incredible because it's they're fifteen and

917
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: thirteen now, but they're exactly the same as who they were.

918
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: And I know I can feel them in my tummy,

919
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:35,000
Speaker 1: which is crazy, the way that Miller, my eldest, moves now.

920
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:40,880
Speaker 1: I can still feel that there is some connection to

921
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 1: my gut with my children.

922
00:47:45,640 --> 00:47:49,160
Speaker 2: That's just us down quite crazy standing. And what about

923
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: the challenge that you didn't.

924
00:47:51,239 --> 00:48:00,560
Speaker 1: Expect seeing them get hurt or that realization of that's

925
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 1: that's the real world. Whether it's that moment in a

926
00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: friendship or a relationship or something you just go oh

927
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: and again you feel that with them for the first time,

928
00:48:13,840 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 1: and you wish you could protect them from that, but

929
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:21,080
Speaker 1: you can't. I guess when they get disappointed about humanity,

930
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 1: I think that's that hurts the most. And I've hurt them.

931
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 1: I've said things that I just go, wow, where did

932
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:33,120
Speaker 1: that come from? That was not nice?

933
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 2: You're human, I'm human.

934
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 1: And they look at you, they look at you disappointed,

935
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,560
Speaker 1: they look at it. Did my mum just say that

936
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:47,040
Speaker 1: to me to my face? It's so, that's horrible. I've

937
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 1: had a couple of those in my life. I've just gone, yeah,

938
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:52,799
Speaker 1: that was shit, that was shitty thing to say.

939
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 2: But then you have to look at it like the

940
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,920
Speaker 2: opportunity to go. Now I get to teach you about contrition,

941
00:48:59,040 --> 00:49:02,680
Speaker 2: and you get to teach about responsibility of owning the

942
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 2: consequences of your choices. And you can say, mate, this morning,

943
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:08,040
Speaker 2: when I said that to you, it wasn't okay that

944
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,600
Speaker 2: I did that. Okay, you know sometimes I get upset

945
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 2: to sometimes I lose my temper and I'm really sorry.

946
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we're still growing, Like I'm still I'm still

947
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: trying to be a better person.

948
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful I've got a chance to speak with

949
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:22,920
Speaker 2: you and thank you for being my first person I

950
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: played the Brisbane game with on this show. Oh it's

951
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: a beautiful thing. Thank you for being you, and thank

952
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,880
Speaker 2: you for making time to come on our show today.

953
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,120
Speaker 2: You are one of these people that we feel we

954
00:49:35,239 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 2: know because you do your job so well, and in

955
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: this conversation, I think you've really helped us understand why

956
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,040
Speaker 2: it is that you have remained the nast screens for

957
00:49:43,080 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 2: so long.

958
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:47,080
Speaker 1: This was literally just a pleasure for me to talk

959
00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,800
Speaker 1: to you. I hate I hate being interviewed. Oh my god,

960
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:51,799
Speaker 1: Oh my god.

961
00:49:51,920 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 2: Okay, it's like, do you hope because I just.

962
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,320
Speaker 1: Because I don't think I ever actually answered the question.

963
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: And I'm not trying to be some kind of weird

964
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: politician that goes around and around in circles. But I

965
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,160
Speaker 1: do get a little bit side tracked, and I love

966
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: a chat. And when I keep thinking back to the

967
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: better than yesterday, better than yesterday? How can I how

968
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:13,959
Speaker 1: can I prove that I do live to be better

969
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 1: than I was yesterday?

970
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 2: I can see it in your eyes, Shelly. I can

971
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,839
Speaker 2: see that you have a positivity and optimism there, and

972
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: that is a thing that has also got to be

973
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 2: I think we've got to have it.

974
00:50:25,400 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 1: You wake up every morning and go today today's day.

975
00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:30,720
Speaker 2: Well, I'm going to give it a shot today.

976
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:32,600
Speaker 1: It was my dad, I'll be honest. It was my

977
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:34,799
Speaker 1: dad when he used to pick us up every day

978
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: from school and say, who had an adventure today? And

979
00:50:38,200 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 1: you always felt like you had to come up with

980
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 1: something you couldn't just go nah, not me, Nah, I

981
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 1: just want to go home. So who had an adventure

982
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:46,640
Speaker 1: at the dinner table? It's like, oh God, we're going

983
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: around in a circle. We have to comele something good.

984
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: So I think I just have always had to look

985
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:55,799
Speaker 1: for the adventure and the excitement and something crazy and

986
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: cool in every day.

987
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: That. Ha's a brilliant technique. I do that with Wolf

988
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 2: earth Wolf every night. I ask him what went well today?

989
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 2: We ask each other. What you're doing is you're priming

990
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 2: your brain to look for possibility and look for adventure.

991
00:51:09,840 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 2: You start noticing when things are adventures exciting. You start

992
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:14,440
Speaker 2: to pursue things that are adventurous and exciting, and your

993
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: life becomes adventurers and exciting. Is technique.

994
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: I love that? And does everyone have that? This is?

995
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:24,520
Speaker 1: Does everyone have that in them?

996
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,880
Speaker 2: We have it, but we need to cultivate it.

997
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: You have to train yourself.

998
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 2: We need to train ourselves adventure.

999
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 1: And excitement because I'm sure a lot of people don't

1000
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: want adventure and they do not want excitement or gratitude.

1001
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,400
Speaker 2: Gratitude is simply training yourself to look for when things

1002
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 2: are pretty incredible.

1003
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: I am very grateful. I am very grateful, and as

1004
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 1: you say, even if you go back to the funniest

1005
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,799
Speaker 1: home videos, saying and on what other shows have I've

1006
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: been on that didn't survive, There's been a few. I

1007
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: think I was grateful that was a great experience. I

1008
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 1: was grateful for that time. I was grateful to have

1009
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: met these humans. I mean, I'm working with Camerman now

1010
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:02,480
Speaker 1: that I worked with five odd years ago. I'm grateful

1011
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 1: for those friendships and those people. It's never about the

1012
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 1: show or the medium, or you know, the minimal part

1013
00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: of your day is we're actually rolling. The rest is

1014
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 1: just hanging out with good people and enjoying the experience.

1015
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 2: But that stuff does affect. That stuff affects how the

1016
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 2: product is made, all right. If you've got a crew

1017
00:52:22,880 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 2: that is hating each other, that will come across on camera. Yes,

1018
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:29,360
Speaker 2: you know, when you're a kid and you go to

1019
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 2: your friend's house and their parents have been fighting. You sit,

1020
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 2: they're like, I don't know what, and you can't quite

1021
00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:36,880
Speaker 2: relax because there's a weirdness in the air, all right,

1022
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:43,200
Speaker 2: that the crew is at each other's throats. Whatever you

1023
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: film will be affected by that, and so that off

1024
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 2: camera stuff is as important and yes, it's like any team. Really,

1025
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 2: the product is that you're making is a product of

1026
00:52:53,400 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 2: the people that are making it. And you need to

1027
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:58,520
Speaker 2: look after the culture of a place and what you're describing.

1028
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 2: You're just making all stuff with cool people. That's what

1029
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: you want to do, really cool stuff with cool people.

1030
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,839
Speaker 1: And we're all, as you say, safe, and we all

1031
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 1: want the best.

1032
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:09,080
Speaker 2: We don't have to work, and Telly, we can try

1033
00:53:09,080 --> 00:53:10,399
Speaker 2: to cultivate that wherever you work.

1034
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely. Can you imagine oh, doing a job that you

1035
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,520
Speaker 1: didn't enjoy. And I guess that's always been my thing too.

1036
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:23,480
Speaker 1: When I've had enough, I don't like it anymore, I'll

1037
00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:28,200
Speaker 1: say thank you goodbye. I worked at Macers Kennel, Mackers,

1038
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: Interpilli Macers.

1039
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,560
Speaker 2: I worked there as well. There you go. I worked that.

1040
00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:33,400
Speaker 2: I had that yeah four months.

1041
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:35,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I am now. The girls hate it when

1042
00:53:35,800 --> 00:53:38,480
Speaker 1: I go to McDonald's or something because I refold the

1043
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 1: bag in front of the poor girl, or I ask,

1044
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:43,799
Speaker 1: you know, have a nice I say have a nice

1045
00:53:43,880 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 1: day that I said to me at the end, whatever

1046
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: it is. They don't like taking me to McDonald's and

1047
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: I want to eat Burger King hungry Jacks because I

1048
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 1: am you know that was might bring you back.

1049
00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you were always on window. You're always on

1050
00:53:56,680 --> 00:53:58,040
Speaker 2: window because you're smiling into life.

1051
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,960
Speaker 1: I did my presenting skills, did come can more?

1052
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:05,200
Speaker 2: Drive through the back, just slinging, slinging dishes, doing late

1053
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 2: night clean up and I hate it. It was the worst.

1054
00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: But it was always quality, service, cleanliness and value QSCV.

1055
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: That was the Machas rule.

1056
00:54:13,400 --> 00:54:15,919
Speaker 2: If you've got time to lean, Shelley, if you've got

1057
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 2: time to.

1058
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:20,919
Speaker 1: Lean, time to clean, and you learn how to mop

1059
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,040
Speaker 1: in a figure of eight like it was an amazing job.

1060
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: But that QSCV was something that I and now people

1061
00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 1: get sick of me saying it. So I bring this

1062
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: hopefully every day. I bring quality. I give service. I'm clean,

1063
00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:35,520
Speaker 1: and you're getting value for money, quality service, cleanliness and value.

1064
00:54:37,120 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 1: If that wasn't in your workplace, or you couldn't deliver

1065
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:42,120
Speaker 1: that in your workplace, please find something else to do

1066
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: with your life, because you are worth more than being

1067
00:54:46,239 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: miserable every day. Be happy, Choose happy.

1068
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:54,799
Speaker 2: You're the best, Shelley. Have a lovely, lovely, lovely day.

1069
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: And that's the wrap up. It's been lovely, cheddy to.

1070
00:54:58,239 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 2: Be a better out. It couldn't be a better out

1071
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:08,320
Speaker 2: than that. And my friends. That was shlley Craft. Shaley Craft.

1072
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,960
Speaker 2: She's on the official Block podcast as well as her podcast,

1073
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: The Aging Project, which you can find where you found

1074
00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 2: this podcast. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you

1075
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 2: to Adam for producing it, Adam Buncher. Like I said earlier,

1076
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 2: if you want to help us out, buy a copy

1077
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:23,719
Speaker 2: of the book So what Now? What by it for you?

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Speaker 2: Buy it for a friend and come and see story Club.

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Speaker 2: It's probably our last show for the November the ninth

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Speaker 2: at the Factory Theater in Marrickville. Tickets are in the

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Speaker 2: show notes. Mark Humphrey, Is, Harley Brown, Nina Beck, Melrose

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Speaker 2: and more to be announced. Thank you so much for listening.

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Speaker 2: If you like the show, please share it with somebody

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Speaker 2: and leave a rating, leave a review, subscribe it, follow it,

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Speaker 2: do all that kind of stuff. I'll see you Monday.