WEBVTT - Can Victoria’s new premier save the furniture? 

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<v Speaker 1>From The Australian. Here's what's on the front. I'm Claire Harvey.

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<v Speaker 1>It's Tuesday, July twenty eighth, twenty twenty six. Justiner Allen

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<v Speaker 1>has quit as Victorian Premier after a catastrophic news poll,

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<v Speaker 1>and now Labour's new premier has just months to try

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<v Speaker 1>to save the twelve year old government or become a

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<v Speaker 1>trivial pursued question. Damon Johnston joins us to discuss how

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<v Speaker 1>it all went down. Mcgurglar for Allan.

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<v Speaker 2>This big news out of Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>The Premier to center.

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<v Speaker 3>Allan is fighting for her political life as Deputy Premier

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<v Speaker 3>Ben Carroll announces he will challenge the leadership.

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<v Speaker 4>And I could have been more proud that I supported

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<v Speaker 4>Jacinta Allen.

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<v Speaker 1>No, no, no, no, you're not.

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<v Speaker 5>Could I ask that you retract that last comment.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an incredibly just Into Alan.

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<v Speaker 3>She is too much to hide and too much to lose.

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<v Speaker 1>On Tuesday morning, before her colleagues had a chance to

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<v Speaker 1>vote her out, just Into Alan quit as Victorian Premier.

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<v Speaker 5>At the end of the day, I am and always

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<v Speaker 5>have been a team player. The most important thing I

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<v Speaker 5>want to say today is thank you, thank you, thank

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<v Speaker 5>you to the Victorian people. It has been the honor

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<v Speaker 5>of my life to serve you as your Premier. I

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<v Speaker 5>stepped down after one thousand and thirty six days in

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<v Speaker 5>this role. Not one of them wasted, not one of

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<v Speaker 5>them easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Damon Johnston is the Australian's Victorian editor. Damon justinto Allan's gone.

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<v Speaker 1>Why was she never able to capture Victorian's hearts.

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<v Speaker 4>Jacina Allen has been the chosen one since the late

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen nineties, so we're heading towards three decades in parliament.

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<v Speaker 4>So she has had a charmed career. But in the

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<v Speaker 4>thousand and thirty four days since she became Premier, so

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<v Speaker 4>two years and ten months, she's failed to do a

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<v Speaker 4>very important thing, and that is define her leadership in

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<v Speaker 4>her own right. She isn't her own woman as the

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<v Speaker 4>Premier of Victoria. She's chosen to walk alongside the ghost

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<v Speaker 4>of Daniel Andrews. And I think she'll be thinking as

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<v Speaker 4>her colleagues turn on her that perhaps she could have

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<v Speaker 4>been more decisive in defining herself as her own leader,

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<v Speaker 4>rather than just simply implementing his policies.

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<v Speaker 1>Daniel Andrews was one of those characters who even from

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<v Speaker 1>Afar it was hard not to have an opinion about him.

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<v Speaker 1>He was bombastic, he was argumentative. He could obviously be

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<v Speaker 1>quite charming when he chose to be.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I confirm that.

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<v Speaker 1>What you're saying is is that we can finally get

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<v Speaker 1>back on the beers. I don't know that I'll be

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<v Speaker 1>drinking a beer tonight.

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<v Speaker 2>I might get a little higher up the shelf.

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<v Speaker 1>How would you describe her style in public and in

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<v Speaker 1>dealing with journals like you?

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<v Speaker 4>Damon Dan was dismissive of the press corps, dismissive of

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<v Speaker 4>the major newspapers in Victoria, and he made a decision

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<v Speaker 4>that he didn't need the mainstream media, and history would

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<v Speaker 4>show that he may have been right. He won three elections,

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<v Speaker 4>and two of those elections he won whilst rebuffing the

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<v Speaker 4>main networks radio, TV and print outlets in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>Seriously, seriously, you can all shout over each other, and

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<v Speaker 1>what wonderful viewing that must make at home.

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<v Speaker 5>I've never walked away from one of these.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't today some of them.

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<v Speaker 4>She hasn't been as successful as that because she doesn't

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<v Speaker 4>have the communication skills. Dan, for all his ruthless political

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<v Speaker 4>faults and the fact that his agenda has essentially sent

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<v Speaker 4>Victoria into near bankruptcy. He could do one thing and

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<v Speaker 4>that was connect to Victorians. He could bypass the media.

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<v Speaker 4>Victorians rewarded him for that. Jacinta Allen has been unable

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<v Speaker 4>to do that. She has been bowled down by a

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<v Speaker 4>corruption scandal linked to the CFMU and the Big build.

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<v Speaker 2>For the last two years.

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<v Speaker 4>Gangland figures and other crooks have ripped off billions of

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<v Speaker 4>dollars from the taxpayer, of course, and this is one

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<v Speaker 4>of those scandals that's been running for two years, broke

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<v Speaker 4>in the media, and she's been unable to deal with it. Now.

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<v Speaker 4>The reason, the big question is why didn't she call

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<v Speaker 4>a Royal commission? And I think the answer is pretty straightforward.

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<v Speaker 4>It's because she was the responsible minister for pretty much

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<v Speaker 4>everything that the Royal.

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<v Speaker 2>Commission would look into.

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<v Speaker 4>It would reveal when she was warned what she knew

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<v Speaker 4>about the CFMU corruption and the other BIKEI linked corruption.

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<v Speaker 2>Why didn't she act? These are the things that will.

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<v Speaker 4>Emerge email chains, text messages. So I think she's essentially

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<v Speaker 4>only had one option in her own mind, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is to try and ride it out Dan Andrew's style.

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<v Speaker 4>She doesn't possess the political smarts the communication skills to

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<v Speaker 4>do that.

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<v Speaker 2>So this has really dragged her down.

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<v Speaker 4>And the important thing to remember here is that Jacinta

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<v Speaker 4>Allen was essentially Dan Andrews chief operating officer, holding all

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<v Speaker 4>those ministries that were at the heart of his agenda.

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<v Speaker 4>The comm Games, the suburban railroop, the big build, the

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<v Speaker 4>public transport Infrastructure Minister was I think the official title,

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<v Speaker 4>of course, Depputy Premier. By holding all those portfolios, Jacinta

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<v Speaker 4>Allen was Daniel Andrews chief operating officer, and I think

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<v Speaker 4>when you look at it like that, it goes some

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<v Speaker 4>way to explaining why she was felt unable to call

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<v Speaker 4>a Royal Commission into her very own inaction whilst implementing

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<v Speaker 4>her boss's agenda.

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<v Speaker 5>No, that's welcome hosts.

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<v Speaker 1>The decision not to hold the Commonwealth Games, which of

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<v Speaker 1>course are now happening in Glasgow, and we're seeing, right

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<v Speaker 1>young Australians having medals hung around their necks and lots

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<v Speaker 1>of joy. It does make you wonder how much more

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<v Speaker 1>fun would this be if it was actually happening in Melbourne.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt, from the outside damon a little bit symptomatic

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<v Speaker 1>of what was going on the bigger picture in Victoria,

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<v Speaker 1>this state which has successfully won all the big events

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<v Speaker 1>from all the other states, you know, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>home of big sporting events, big fear to spectaculars, big

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<v Speaker 1>art gallery shows, couldn't do the Commonwealth Games, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>because it seemed to be in a bit of a malaise.

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<v Speaker 1>Was that your interpretation? How did ordinary Victorian see that?

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<v Speaker 4>Look? The failed attempt to host the Commonwealth Games was

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<v Speaker 4>a catastrophic blunder by the ANDREWS.

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<v Speaker 2>Allen administration. Yes, and of course I am sorry.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm sure those athletes and I've met as I've said,

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<v Speaker 5>I've spoken to them.

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<v Speaker 4>You said you were sorry, But it kind of got

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<v Speaker 4>lost there with.

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<v Speaker 5>In my answer and what are you sorry for? What

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<v Speaker 5>are you sorry for?

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<v Speaker 3>Them?

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<v Speaker 5>I was in terms of the response to the question.

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<v Speaker 4>It was conceived for political purposes to try and win

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<v Speaker 4>the twenty twenty sixth election. The games will meant had

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<v Speaker 4>we held them, would have.

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<v Speaker 2>Been in March. I believe this year the elections in November.

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<v Speaker 4>The time frame to actually build the infrastructure, the budget

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<v Speaker 4>to build that infrastructure across regional Victoria was always unachievable.

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<v Speaker 4>There wasn't enough money there wasn't enough time, but Andrews

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<v Speaker 4>didn't care about that. He knew that it would help

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<v Speaker 4>him win the election, so he pushed ahead, such as

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<v Speaker 4>the sort of crash or crashed through nature of his

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<v Speaker 4>politics and c Cinda Allen has to wear responsibility for this.

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<v Speaker 4>She was the implementation Minister, and I think it's certainly

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<v Speaker 4>I think fitting that while she's facing her political demise,

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<v Speaker 4>potentially young athletes are doing great things for Australia overseas.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, there's a certain kind of karma about that.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Coming up is One Nation's Orange wave coming for Victoria.

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<v Speaker 1>How much credit do you think One Nation and Jess Hill,

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<v Speaker 1>the Victorian opposition leader, can take for the troubles that

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<v Speaker 1>Jaintera Allen's been facing.

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<v Speaker 4>Look, I think one of the benefits that Dan Andrews

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<v Speaker 4>had that Justinta Allen doesn't have at the moment is

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<v Speaker 4>a dispirited and appalling Liberal Party. So Dan Andrews benefited

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<v Speaker 4>from the fact that the Victorian Liberal Party was going

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<v Speaker 4>through its own crisis for much of his leadership.

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<v Speaker 2>They couldn't unite.

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<v Speaker 4>The Victorian Liberal Party could not unite and present a

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<v Speaker 4>acceptable alternative to Dan Andrews in twenty eighteen or twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty two turned on itself, was full of infighting.

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<v Speaker 2>And Andrews cleverly maximized this.

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<v Speaker 4>However, Jess Wilson was appointed as leader and since then she's.

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<v Speaker 2>Done a pretty good job.

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<v Speaker 3>We have no confidence in this Labor government and we

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<v Speaker 3>invite now Labor MPs to join with us to vote

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<v Speaker 3>for that no confidence motion and bring on an early

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<v Speaker 3>election here in Victoria.

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<v Speaker 4>She's out there talking about issues that matter. The Victorian

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<v Speaker 4>Liberal Party, notwithstanding the most recent issue with Moiret Deeming,

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<v Speaker 4>has largely stopped talking about itself and is talking about potholes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's talking about the law and order crisis, the machete crisis,

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<v Speaker 4>some of the things that Allen has had, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>a thousand and thirty four days to deal with and

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<v Speaker 4>has failed to.

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<v Speaker 2>So the Liberal.

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<v Speaker 4>Party is now presented as a acceptable alternative government and

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<v Speaker 4>that is coming through in the polling which The Australian

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<v Speaker 4>published the most recent news poll on Monday afternoon, which

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<v Speaker 4>showed that as it stands, Jess Wilson is likely to,

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<v Speaker 4>albeit with a narrow majority, be the potential next premiere

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<v Speaker 4>of Victoria's so Cinda Allen hasn't had the benefit of

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<v Speaker 4>a disunited, disaffected Liberal.

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<v Speaker 2>Party at war with itself. Dan Andrews did, what about.

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<v Speaker 1>One Nation, damon? Is it similar to New South Wales

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<v Speaker 1>where One Nation is now really the major threat to

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<v Speaker 1>the Labor government as perceived by Premier Chrismans at least.

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<v Speaker 4>So the hard numbers in the Australian's News poll on

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<v Speaker 4>Monday showed the One Nation primary vote at nineteen percent.

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<v Speaker 4>That is a much flatter result than the national one

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<v Speaker 4>Nation polls have shown. You know, Victorians historically haven't embraced

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<v Speaker 4>paul En Hanson politics and News polls suggests that One

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<v Speaker 4>Nation still has a fair amount of work now. That said,

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<v Speaker 4>they've still got nineteen percent of the primary vote, which

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<v Speaker 4>wouldn't have been foreseen this far out from the twenty

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<v Speaker 4>twenty two election, so they are likely on those numbers,

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<v Speaker 4>they're likely to win Upper House representation. It's unclear how

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<v Speaker 4>many Lie House seats they would win, but I think

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<v Speaker 4>this poll released on Monday suggests that One Nation's got

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of work to do before it can hope

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<v Speaker 4>to really be an influential player in Victorian politics.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's his take on Ben Carroll?

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<v Speaker 4>Ben Carroll's a the right, so he's more in line

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<v Speaker 4>with John Brumby and Steve Brax when it comes to

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<v Speaker 4>his politics what he stands for. So I think what

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<v Speaker 4>you'll find is Carol will adopt those philosophies of.

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<v Speaker 2>The labor right.

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<v Speaker 4>He'd be a much more prudent financial manager. Now, whether

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<v Speaker 4>he can do anything with the massive debt that Andrews

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<v Speaker 4>and Allen may leave him should he get the job

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<v Speaker 4>is another question. But philosophically he will run a much

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<v Speaker 4>more prudent budget, and I think he will be less

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<v Speaker 4>focused on social policy, and he will fill more potholes,

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<v Speaker 4>probably put more machete wielding kids in jail, and do

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<v Speaker 4>the things that you know state government should be doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He'll have one hundred and.

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<v Speaker 4>Twenty four days to save labor or at least save

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<v Speaker 4>the furniture. So sure he will get his photo on

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<v Speaker 4>the Wall of Honor when it comes to premiers, which

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<v Speaker 4>is at one treasury place of all the premiers. But

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<v Speaker 4>he would be a risk of becoming a trivial pursuit

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<v Speaker 4>question or a quiz nite question.

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<v Speaker 2>At a pub.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Oh what a fate.

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<v Speaker 4>Victoria's shortest serving premier, However, at the moment, based on

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<v Speaker 4>the numbers released on Monday, Jacindra Allen is leading labor

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<v Speaker 4>over the cliff. So it may be that there's enough

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<v Speaker 4>of his colleagues that are willing to take and he

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<v Speaker 4>is willing to take.

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<v Speaker 2>He's made it clear he's willing to take that chance.

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<v Speaker 4>I think what he'll do if he gets the job

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<v Speaker 4>at his first press conference is call a Royal commission

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<v Speaker 4>into the big build. I think he may pause the

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<v Speaker 4>suburban rail loop and redirect money towards the Airport rail link.

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<v Speaker 4>And then I think he'll do some really basic things.

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<v Speaker 4>He'll tighten law and order, he'll fill potholes and deal

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<v Speaker 4>with the things that Victorians don't like about the Allen government.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the wild ride continues. Damon, thank you very much

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<v Speaker 1>for taking the time. I know it's incredibly busy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, it's a pleasure.

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<v Speaker 1>Damon Johnston is The Australian's Victorian editor. We'll be covering

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