WEBVTT - Credlin | 9 September 0:00:07.850 --> 0:00:10.590 Good evening. Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up tonight. 0:00:11.090 --> 0:00:13.250 And exclusive for you this evening, a copy of a 0:00:13.270 --> 0:00:16.520 letter from Angus Taylor to the Prime Minister outlining the 0:00:16.579 --> 0:00:21.599 Coalition's non-negotiable lines of the sand on immigration. If Labor's 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:25.610 to expect their support in overdue reforms in the Parliament. 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.680 The federal watchdog called in over allegations of fraud and rorting. 0:00:29.700 --> 0:00:34.729 This is Labor's $ 7 billion battery scheme. And questions today 0:00:34.810 --> 0:00:38.120 about just how long Chris Bowen's known all about it. 0:00:38.950 --> 0:00:43.050 Alarming details in an alleged Avalon Airport hijacking case sits 0:00:43.110 --> 0:00:48.040 now before the courts. Why have counter-terrorism investigators asked the 0:00:48.080 --> 0:00:52.060 presiding Supreme Court judge to conceal the identities of the 0:00:52.100 --> 0:00:56.540 foreign entities linked to the teenage accused? And Liberal Andrew 0:00:56.640 --> 0:00:59.720 Hastie hits back over claims he was slandered by Pauline 0:00:59.740 --> 0:01:02.920 Hanson and Barnaby Joyce, as once again the looming trial 0:01:02.970 --> 0:01:06.810 involving Ben Robert Smith makes the headlines, but Hanson denies 0:01:07.050 --> 0:01:08.890 this has anything to do with it. 0:01:09.709 --> 0:01:12.050 Well, I would say that Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce 0:01:12.069 --> 0:01:15.210 are lying cowards. And I'll say it again, so there's 0:01:15.250 --> 0:01:17.160 no ambiguity, they are lying cowards. 0:01:20.190 --> 0:01:21.870 I'll come back to that in a moment with the panel. 0:01:21.890 --> 0:01:24.190 But first, Labor's new digital duty of care is a 0:01:24.330 --> 0:01:29.300 masterclass in policy deception. As I exposed last night, it's 0:01:29.459 --> 0:01:34.100 not about protecting children online. It's about control, not care. 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:38.460 And adults are the primary target. Julia Gillard tried to 0:01:38.500 --> 0:01:41.130 go down this path in 2013, and it was a 0:01:41.230 --> 0:01:46.510 shocking failure. But having been successful at creating online censorship 0:01:46.569 --> 0:01:50.360 for those under the age of 16, Anthony Albertese is 0:01:50.380 --> 0:01:53.400 now going to use this as ruse to do what 0:01:53.480 --> 0:01:57.020 Gillard failed to do, and that's to control what you 0:01:57.080 --> 0:02:01.100 consume and to manipulate public debate. For a long time, 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:04.590 Labor's waged a war against the Murdoch media, with former 0:02:04.630 --> 0:02:07.670 PM Kevin Rudd famously even trying to get up a 0:02:07.730 --> 0:02:11.750 royal commission. Never mind that the Murdoch media, News Corp, 0:02:11.790 --> 0:02:15.240 which is owns this network, News 24, has been just 0:02:15.300 --> 0:02:18.660 as tough on the Coalition at times as its opponents. 0:02:19.260 --> 0:02:23.139 Labor's modus operandi is to destroy those who disagree with 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:28.130 its worldview rather than debate them. Already, we've got a 0:02:28.220 --> 0:02:33.790 federal taxpayer system shelling out some $ 67 million to, quote, 0:02:33.950 --> 0:02:39.990 protected trusted news services under Labor's Journalism Assistance Fund. And 0:02:40.030 --> 0:02:45.050 some 184 commercial players, well, they all receive a sling. 0:02:46.030 --> 0:02:50.290 Not so News Corp or News 24. We don't get 0:02:50.340 --> 0:02:53.920 a thing. And now here comes this digital duty of 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:59.540 care legislation designed to curtail free speech and hand communications 0:02:59.600 --> 0:03:05.060 minister Annika Wells unfettered powers to act as Australia's information umpire. 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:08.480 In a train wreck interview this morning with my colleague 0:03:08.500 --> 0:03:14.070 Laura Jays, Minister Wells was forced to admit that via regulation, yes, 0:03:14.389 --> 0:03:18.270 she will determine what content is harmful, with advice from 0:03:18.350 --> 0:03:21.850 Australia's eSafety Commissioner, Julie Inman Grant. 0:03:23.290 --> 0:03:26.440 Is there a definition of harm in the legislation? 0:03:28.730 --> 0:03:32.060 So the test for what would constitute a new serious 0:03:32.090 --> 0:03:38.360 harm would ultimately be, I guess, made by me on 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:44.520 the expert technical advice of the eSafety Commissioner. However, it's 0:03:44.540 --> 0:03:47.380 a disallowable instrument. So it is the Parliament that ultimately 0:03:47.420 --> 0:03:48.720 determines whether I've got. 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:49.240 That right or wrong. 0:03:50.240 --> 0:03:56.110 Right, but essentially it's you with advice from the eSafety Commissioner. 0:03:56.150 --> 0:03:58.760 Do you see... potential problem with that? 0:04:00.520 --> 0:04:02.520 I think it's a distortion to say that the Digital 0:04:02.540 --> 0:04:05.560 Duty of Care is about this particular action. 0:04:07.660 --> 0:04:10.540 Well, it's not a distortion. If you're making the regulations, Minister, 0:04:11.020 --> 0:04:13.500 you are heavily involved, the government's heavily involved, and that 0:04:13.540 --> 0:04:17.529 means politics is involved. And that the scope of these 0:04:17.589 --> 0:04:21.330 regulations too, this is important, they won't even be known 0:04:21.390 --> 0:04:24.390 at the time that MPs will vote on these bills. 0:04:24.990 --> 0:04:28.220 That says it all. It's a Trojan horse. designed to 0:04:28.260 --> 0:04:31.080 be ran through the parliament by Christmas so that the 0:04:31.120 --> 0:04:35.490 new regime's up and running before the next election. That's 0:04:35.550 --> 0:04:40.370 because Wells, under questioning, was forced to admit that, yes, 0:04:40.770 --> 0:04:44.589 her powers as the new digital czar would extend to 0:04:44.770 --> 0:04:50.030 news sites, thus exposing Labor's end game. Yeah, the duty 0:04:50.070 --> 0:04:52.770 of care legislation is so broad it could capture more 0:04:52.810 --> 0:04:53.820 than social media, though. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.280 It could capture news websites, no? 0:04:57.150 --> 0:04:58.250 Well, sorry, yes, it does. 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:03.440 The Digital Duty of Care, my apologies, does go to 0:05:03.580 --> 0:05:04.540 all online services. 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:07.780 So that's a problem, isn't it? That's a tricky one. 0:05:07.839 --> 0:05:08.480 Why is that a problem? 0:05:08.500 --> 0:05:11.520 Well, because it's news sites and that would amount to censorship, 0:05:11.560 --> 0:05:14.820 wouldn't it not? Because I'm wondering who then defines harm, 0:05:14.900 --> 0:05:17.279 because if it's the e-safety commissioner. 0:05:18.500 --> 0:05:22.400 And then you deciding. It's not about content. 0:05:22.440 --> 0:05:27.469 It's about identifying risks that, the online services maybe offering 0:05:27.750 --> 0:05:28.250 their viewers? 0:05:28.330 --> 0:05:30.350 What risks is a news site offering its viewers? Well, 0:05:30.370 --> 0:05:31.070 what's the risk? 0:05:33.089 --> 0:05:33.490 That's right. 0:05:33.529 --> 0:05:35.650 I'm saying what risks do they need to identify? This 0:05:35.690 --> 0:05:36.690 is a problem, isn't it, Minister? 0:05:36.870 --> 0:05:40.150 The complexity of this and the broadness of this legislation 0:05:40.250 --> 0:05:42.990 could capture news sites, and then who is it up 0:05:43.029 --> 0:05:45.110 to to say what is harmful and. 0:05:45.089 --> 0:05:45.770 What is the risk? 0:05:47.190 --> 0:05:49.450 I don't accept the premise of this argument. It is 0:05:49.540 --> 0:05:52.190 not captured by the Digital Duty of Care. News websites 0:05:52.250 --> 0:05:53.420 are not a function and feature of. 0:05:53.380 --> 0:05:58.070 An online platform. Yes, they are. They're on online platforms. 0:05:59.690 --> 0:06:00.590 How are they a functional feature? 0:06:00.610 --> 0:06:04.030 Because if you were turning off the algorithm, that would 0:06:04.550 --> 0:06:06.970 change how news websites would be seen, would it not? 0:06:08.850 --> 0:06:09.860 Well, you as a user. 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:12.620 would be making a choice about whether you wish to 0:06:12.660 --> 0:06:14.740 follow the algorithm or whether you wish to follow your 0:06:14.820 --> 0:06:18.360 following feed, which is your friends and the online creators 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:20.320 that you choose to follow. So if you choose to 0:06:20.360 --> 0:06:25.099 follow News 24 on your following feed, you'd see it. 0:06:27.690 --> 0:06:29.350 Could it be any more embarrassing than that? I mean, 0:06:29.390 --> 0:06:31.770 she was all over the shop. She doesn't even know 0:06:31.870 --> 0:06:34.850 her own policy. I was a chief of staff at 0:06:34.930 --> 0:06:39.180 one time, two-way communications minister. And my minister was never 0:06:39.240 --> 0:06:43.260 that ill-prepared to debate legislation as seismic as this. She 0:06:43.300 --> 0:06:47.240 was caught out well and truly. Labor's true agenda exposed 0:06:47.279 --> 0:06:50.590 by Laura Jay's. This is not a digital regime aimed 0:06:50.630 --> 0:06:53.730 at protecting children. This is a way to protect Labor's 0:06:53.770 --> 0:06:57.370 grip on power. After all, Anthony Albanese can hardly be 0:06:57.410 --> 0:07:01.520 labelled a liar if Australians are barred from knowing he lied. 0:07:03.080 --> 0:07:05.800 Can you rule out any changes to negative gearing and 0:07:05.860 --> 0:07:06.670 capital gains tax? 0:07:06.839 --> 0:07:07.119 Yes. 0:07:07.779 --> 0:07:09.780 How hard is it for the 50th time? 0:07:09.820 --> 0:07:14.280 I believe that when you go to an election and 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.500 you make commitments, you should stick to them. I told 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:20.670 people we wouldn't make changes. The proof's in the pudding, Andrew. 0:07:20.690 --> 0:07:24.450 If we were going to make changes, then why haven't we? 0:07:24.510 --> 0:07:26.490 Were those statements promises? 0:07:27.890 --> 0:07:32.250 They were statements. And we have changed our positions. 0:07:34.940 --> 0:07:38.340 Voters only know now that you lied because we were 0:07:38.380 --> 0:07:41.420 allowed to show you all of that. But how long 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:43.600 is that going to be allowed if a Labor minister 0:07:44.020 --> 0:07:46.840 is now going to make the rules? Again, imagine if 0:07:46.880 --> 0:07:50.580 this regime was in place during the voice referendum. Australians 0:07:50.620 --> 0:07:53.550 would never have discovered the truth about the Uluru Statement 0:07:53.570 --> 0:07:56.170 from the Heart and the radical agenda it was, an 0:07:56.590 --> 0:07:59.350 agenda of treaty and reparations that people like me were 0:07:59.870 --> 0:08:05.270 able to publicise via documents obtained under FOI. But with, quote, 0:08:05.470 --> 0:08:10.430 harmful content soon to be defined by government, how long 0:08:10.490 --> 0:08:13.030 will the free media last in this country? How long 0:08:13.050 --> 0:08:16.150 will we be able to challenge our governments if government 0:08:16.190 --> 0:08:19.050 gets to decide what Australians are allowed to know? If 0:08:20.050 --> 0:08:24.120 this duty of care, this digital duty of care becomes law, 0:08:24.140 --> 0:08:27.440 the eSafety Commissioner will be free to act on comments 0:08:27.460 --> 0:08:31.870 she made in 2022 at Davos because Annika Wells was 0:08:31.970 --> 0:08:36.460 forced to admit That, this woman, this digital commissioner, is 0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:39.780 at the heart of the regime. And she's already admitted 0:08:39.840 --> 0:08:44.290 to a willingness to recalibrate your right to free speech. 0:08:45.070 --> 0:08:49.110 We are finding ourselves in a place where we have 0:08:49.150 --> 0:08:53.960 increasing polarisation everywhere. And everything feels binary when it doesn't 0:08:54.000 --> 0:08:56.040 need to be. So I think we're going to have 0:08:56.059 --> 0:08:58.520 to think about a recalibration of a whole range of 0:08:58.600 --> 0:09:00.800 human rights that are playing out online, you know, from 0:09:01.230 --> 0:09:04.410 freedom of speech to the freedom to, you know, to 0:09:04.470 --> 0:09:06.150 be free from online violence. 0:09:06.170 --> 0:09:12.250 I mean, what does recalibration of your right to free 0:09:12.290 --> 0:09:16.650 speech look like? This so-called digital duty of care legislation 0:09:16.690 --> 0:09:21.930 is designed to change forever how you access information. Even 0:09:22.250 --> 0:09:26.190 if the initial parameters sound defensible, once in place, they'll 0:09:26.210 --> 0:09:29.290 be open to abuse and can be changed to deliver 0:09:29.309 --> 0:09:33.380 a political outcome. This bill is not about protecting Australians. 0:09:34.080 --> 0:09:38.179 It's about protecting the left. It's about entrenching Labor power. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:42.340 And it's about denying Australians access to a broad range 0:09:42.380 --> 0:09:46.020 of legitimate information sources so that you can make up 0:09:46.260 --> 0:09:49.360 your own mind. Now I'll say it again, this is 0:09:49.420 --> 0:09:52.830 about as nuclear as it gets in the fight for 0:09:52.870 --> 0:09:59.490 free speech. Let's go to Canberra now for the headlines. 0:09:59.940 --> 0:10:01.959 Our political reporter, Trudy McIntosh. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:07.060 Liberal MP Andrew Hastie is ramping up his attacks on 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:07.679 One Nation. 0:10:07.780 --> 0:10:10.960 Pauline Hanson and Barnaby Joyce are lying cowards. But when 0:10:10.980 --> 0:10:13.240 you start calling me a traitor to my own country, 0:10:13.960 --> 0:10:15.070 then we have a big, big problem. 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:17.949 Pointing to this One Nation cartoon is evidence of a 0:10:17.990 --> 0:10:19.270 smear campaign against him. 0:10:19.600 --> 0:10:21.819 And it's all my fault because I'm a stupid traitor. 0:10:22.900 --> 0:10:25.080 Why is everyone calling me a traitor then? Because you 0:10:25.220 --> 0:10:25.740 are a traitor. 0:10:25.780 --> 0:10:27.420 I was speaking to Pauline this morning about this. 0:10:28.100 --> 0:10:29.420 She never called him a traitor. 0:10:29.740 --> 0:10:32.250 Barnaby Joyce backed her in. They're both on the hook 0:10:32.780 --> 0:10:34.690 and I brought the receipts. You can see them for yourself. 0:10:35.170 --> 0:10:38.270 The former SAS captain claims One Nation is targeting him 0:10:38.410 --> 0:10:41.690 because he gave evidence against VC recipient Ben Robert Smith. 0:10:42.429 --> 0:10:44.089 It's not just about me. It's about the other veterans. 0:10:44.250 --> 0:10:46.210 Are they saying the same thing of the other veterans? 0:10:46.210 --> 0:10:49.969 20 SAS combat veterans who gave evidence under oath in 0:10:49.990 --> 0:10:52.579 the federal court, are they also traitors to their country? 0:10:52.890 --> 0:10:55.560 Mr Joyce cautioning supporters to temper the language. 0:10:56.020 --> 0:11:00.439 And I dearly hope that nobody is threatening Andrew or 0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:02.920 his family and certainly not premising on anything. 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:03.579 To do with One Nation. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.319 A digital detox in the classroom is on the cards 0:11:06.679 --> 0:11:09.760 as Australian school results slip to the lowest level on record. 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:13.300 The latest PISA results for Year 9 students show declines 0:11:13.380 --> 0:11:17.579 in maths and reading. teachers battling concerns about bad behaviour 0:11:17.820 --> 0:11:18.960 and digital disruptions. 0:11:19.679 --> 0:11:22.620 Our kids need to learn digital skills, but I think 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.080 there is a good argument that we need to. 0:11:24.040 --> 0:11:24.920 Wind it back a bit. 0:11:25.240 --> 0:11:28.590 And the Prime Minister led tributes today for renowned biographer 0:11:28.640 --> 0:11:32.930 Blanche Delpute. The widow of legendary Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke, 0:11:33.270 --> 0:11:36.470 Blanche died aged 82 after a battle with cancer. 0:11:37.410 --> 0:11:40.670 She was so full of joy and it was always 0:11:40.690 --> 0:11:44.610 a splendid privilege to be in her company. Our hearts 0:11:44.670 --> 0:11:48.350 right now are with her family and all who loved 0:11:48.550 --> 0:11:50.350 this much-loved Australian. 0:11:50.630 --> 0:11:52.910 Trudy McIntosh, News 24, Canberra. 0:11:54.860 --> 0:11:57.520 All right, One Nation's back in front of Labor as 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.680 I bring in our Chief Election Analyst, Tom Connell, to 0:12:00.820 --> 0:12:03.800 get you across the latest detail from the Sky News 24, 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:05.250 goodness me, the News 24 Pulse Poll. 0:12:14.700 --> 0:12:17.400 Peter, another big poll for One Nation, a real surge 0:12:17.460 --> 0:12:20.360 just within this one survey compared to the last one 0:12:20.850 --> 0:12:23.110 and also a pretty long-term trend in terms of gains 0:12:23.150 --> 0:12:23.490 and losses. 0:12:23.510 --> 0:12:24.250 Let's have a look, though. 0:12:24.370 --> 0:12:26.970 One Nation up four percentage points, as I said, just 0:12:27.010 --> 0:12:28.990 in this poll. So it's the biggest lead they've had 0:12:29.010 --> 0:12:31.750 over Labor, 4% ahead of Labor, which is down, and 0:12:31.830 --> 0:12:33.910 the biggest ahead of the Coalition, which is down to 18. 0:12:33.910 --> 0:12:34.860 The gap between. 0:12:35.320 --> 0:12:37.599 The Coalition and One Nation on the two surveys ago 0:12:37.640 --> 0:12:39.520 was two percentage points, so it's grown a lot. 0:12:39.860 --> 0:12:42.479 What about over time? So this is tracking back just 0:12:42.500 --> 0:12:43.160 since November. 0:12:43.460 --> 0:12:46.000 One Nation had already surged then, but since then it's 0:12:46.059 --> 0:12:49.630 up 12% further and it's basically taken that off Labor 0:12:49.670 --> 0:12:53.410 and Coalition. So where, what sort of voters are deserting 0:12:53.450 --> 0:12:54.590 the major parties. 0:12:54.550 --> 0:12:55.490 For One Nation? 0:12:55.510 --> 0:12:57.090 Let's have a look first of all at the One 0:12:57.150 --> 0:12:59.950 Nation gains in terms of cohorts. So Millennials are going 0:13:00.010 --> 0:13:02.900 over in big numbers now, up 15% since November. 0:13:03.380 --> 0:13:06.280 Outer Metro as well. We know that could well mean seats. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:11.380 50,000 to 99,000 household income. So lower middle income doubled 0:13:11.420 --> 0:13:14.790 and up to 38%. Maybe these are Pauline's battlers. Language 0:13:14.830 --> 0:13:17.510 other than English at home, interestingly enough, has doubled as well, 0:13:17.510 --> 0:13:18.650 12 to 24. 0:13:18.650 --> 0:13:19.450 And those renting. 0:13:19.570 --> 0:13:21.710 So a lot of people on here basically doing it tough, 0:13:22.130 --> 0:13:24.880 going to One Nation. In terms of who Labor is losing, 0:13:25.170 --> 0:13:27.800 New South Wales, the biggest state, the most seats, it's 0:13:27.840 --> 0:13:28.900 lost a third of its vote. 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:32.079 Out of Metro, so people going from Labor to... to 0:13:32.200 --> 0:13:32.760 One Nation. 0:13:33.140 --> 0:13:36.160 Income under 50k, so those on low income are deserting 0:13:36.210 --> 0:13:38.970 Labor as well. And language other than English at home, 0:13:39.030 --> 0:13:42.170 so again, people going from Labor to One Nation. And finally, 0:13:42.550 --> 0:13:45.750 owning a house outright, so people looking at slumping house 0:13:45.790 --> 0:13:48.180 prices over the past couple of months in particular and 0:13:48.240 --> 0:13:48.900 not too happy. 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:52.360 As for the Coalition, they've got a few problems. Older voters, 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:52.480 65 plus. 0:13:53.760 --> 0:13:56.440 They've had a big haircut there, but also millennials, so 0:13:56.580 --> 0:13:59.730 younger voters are also deserting them at a rate of 9%. 0:13:59.730 --> 0:14:03.270 And here's a bad combination, Queensland and provincial, so down 0:14:03.290 --> 0:14:06.950 by 11 and 14. So think of Queensland, where the 0:14:07.010 --> 0:14:10.150 National Party holds eight out of those 10 seats in 0:14:10.170 --> 0:14:13.130 the provincial areas. So basically on these numbers, they would 0:14:13.170 --> 0:14:16.090 likely all be gone. And finally, the pitch towards blue-collar 0:14:16.130 --> 0:14:18.770 workers for the Coalition, not working right now, at least 0:14:18.790 --> 0:14:22.280 when it comes to TAFE educated. They've also deserted the Coalition. 0:14:22.620 --> 0:14:23.600 in the past 10 months. 0:14:30.090 --> 0:14:32.150 Plenty of food for thought there. Let's bring in the 0:14:32.190 --> 0:14:35.710 panel news 24 senior reporter Carolyn Marcus and senior fellow 0:14:35.730 --> 0:14:38.770 with the Menzies Research Centre, Nick Cater. I'll get to 0:14:38.790 --> 0:14:40.670 the polling detail in a moment, but I want to 0:14:40.710 --> 0:14:44.900 go to a fiery exchange just before this program began 0:14:45.060 --> 0:14:50.150 with Chris Kenny and Pauline Hanson. Launching a furious defence, 0:14:50.270 --> 0:14:53.720 this is Hanson, over claims from Andrew Hastie that he's 0:14:53.760 --> 0:14:57.380 been slandered by One Nation. Now, he said today these 0:14:57.420 --> 0:15:00.740 claims relate to his military service. That's certainly how he's 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:03.550 taken them and he wants these claims of him being 0:15:03.590 --> 0:15:08.190 a traitor in one of the Hanson cartoons removed online. 0:15:08.850 --> 0:15:10.630 But the One Nation leader, well, she says this has 0:15:10.650 --> 0:15:13.390 got nothing to do with that. This was about flak 0:15:13.430 --> 0:15:16.520 he copped from his own supporters after he did a 0:15:16.550 --> 0:15:19.700 backflip to support Labor's hate speech laws. 0:15:21.030 --> 0:15:25.150 Actually, it wasn't even over Ben Robert Smith because when 0:15:25.220 --> 0:15:29.480 he actually told his constituency that he would vote against 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.080 the Labor Party's hate speech laws and then he did 0:15:34.360 --> 0:15:37.940 end up voting with it, that's when people on his 0:15:38.380 --> 0:15:42.160 own page called him a traitor for that because he 0:15:42.220 --> 0:15:44.560 vowed that he wasn't going to support it and he did. 0:15:44.580 --> 0:15:47.800 Alright, Nick, your thoughts here? 0:15:48.570 --> 0:15:51.859 Well, look, we criticise the ABC for its so-called satirical 0:15:52.720 --> 0:15:55.660 programme about Gina Reinhart and loose language. I think we 0:15:55.700 --> 0:16:00.080 criticise this cartoon for exactly the same reasons. Even in 0:16:00.140 --> 0:16:03.200 the context of satire, if you want to call it that, 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:06.670 it's pretty tough calling somebody a traitor to their country, 0:16:07.090 --> 0:16:09.910 particularly when it's somebody who has served their country with 0:16:09.970 --> 0:16:13.290 great distinction and great bravery. So I really do think 0:16:13.330 --> 0:16:15.050 that they're out of line here. And I think Pauline 0:16:15.070 --> 0:16:17.960 Hanson's attempt to sort of shift this debate to some 0:16:18.020 --> 0:16:20.740 other issue other than Ben Robert Smith, who's a little 0:16:20.780 --> 0:16:24.820 bit twee. But in the end, I think Andrew Hastie, 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.240 he's a tough guy. He should roll with the punches 0:16:28.300 --> 0:16:29.460 because that's politics. 0:16:31.330 --> 0:16:34.150 What about Pauline Hanson's claim, Nick, that this is part 0:16:34.190 --> 0:16:37.450 of positioning by Hastie, who, you know, a lot of 0:16:37.470 --> 0:16:38.910 people say he's been in a bit of a funk 0:16:38.970 --> 0:16:42.230 this year after that blowback about the change of heart 0:16:42.250 --> 0:16:44.750 on hate speech laws, and I think impacted too by 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:48.730 by criticisms in relation to Ben Robert Smith, that this 0:16:48.780 --> 0:16:51.610 is now him getting out and about and part of 0:16:51.630 --> 0:16:53.370 sort of positioning himself for the leadership. 0:16:53.850 --> 0:16:55.490 Well, I don't know about that. I mean, I think 0:16:55.510 --> 0:16:58.370 we'd all like to see Andrew Hastie using his considerable 0:16:58.450 --> 0:17:03.100 brain and intellect and experience to do some more solid 0:17:03.130 --> 0:17:05.700 policy work, you know, but there's room for that down 0:17:05.740 --> 0:17:08.399 the track. He's a very good local member, incidentally. He 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.780 gets a lot of support in that electorate of his. 0:17:11.890 --> 0:17:14.609 And I think it'd be great, very unfortunate if he 0:17:14.650 --> 0:17:18.800 had to face a concerted effort from one nation that 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:22.580 was built on some kind of feud over Ben Robert Smith. 0:17:22.619 --> 0:17:25.640 I think it's really very unfortunate if politics comes down 0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:28.659 to that. But that's the kind of ugly world we're in, 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:29.600 I think, Peter. 0:17:31.369 --> 0:17:33.909 Let's go to that polling that we just played you 0:17:33.930 --> 0:17:37.869 there with Tom Connell. This is the new 24 poll. 0:17:37.890 --> 0:17:41.130 Of course, Caroline comes out every fortnight. But then also 0:17:41.150 --> 0:17:45.030 the admissions of drug use yesterday from the One Nation 0:17:45.070 --> 0:17:47.449 leader in Victoria, Warren Pickering. Of course, the poll was 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:52.119 taken prior to those admissions. But given the demographic splits 0:17:52.140 --> 0:17:54.399 that Tom went through there about the sort of people 0:17:54.740 --> 0:17:58.670 who are in now the One Nation base and Will 0:17:59.030 --> 0:18:03.369 those comments yesterday from Pickering hurt or hinder him and 0:18:03.390 --> 0:18:04.910 the party's chances in Victoria? 0:18:05.710 --> 0:18:07.760 I can't see it hurting him. 0:18:07.940 --> 0:18:12.040 If anything, I think it may even give One Nation 0:18:12.080 --> 0:18:15.000 a bit of a bump because I think the story 0:18:15.119 --> 0:18:19.320 is legitimate, what the Australian reported, the claims from his 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:23.780 former partner. But the fact that despite denying the allegations 0:18:23.859 --> 0:18:27.520 entirely to start with, Warren Pickering actually fronted the media 0:18:27.540 --> 0:18:29.389 and He gave a press conference. 0:18:29.430 --> 0:18:30.670 He answered questions. 0:18:31.030 --> 0:18:34.360 He denied possibly some of the worst allegations that he 0:18:34.390 --> 0:18:37.980 had used the drug ice. He was supported by his 0:18:38.040 --> 0:18:40.000 daughter and his steps. And I think all of these 0:18:40.020 --> 0:18:42.200 things actually work in his favour. And I think a 0:18:42.260 --> 0:18:44.369 lot of One Nation voters and people who are turning 0:18:44.400 --> 0:18:48.060 to One Nation are thinking, well... we may have skeletons 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.380 in our own closets. So what if he has done 0:18:50.420 --> 0:18:52.639 drugs in the past, as long as he's turned his 0:18:52.740 --> 0:18:57.760 life around and then served the country in the Defence 0:18:57.820 --> 0:19:01.750 Force and is now running in One Nation? I think 0:19:02.230 --> 0:19:04.230 that they would cut him a little bit of slack 0:19:04.270 --> 0:19:06.290 for that. So I don't see it hurting him. It 0:19:06.890 --> 0:19:07.570 may even help. 0:19:09.190 --> 0:19:10.990 I thought it was a bit reached to by some 0:19:11.010 --> 0:19:13.390 in the media and certainly plenty of politicians with the 0:19:13.450 --> 0:19:17.310 commentary about drug use in their 20s just one week 0:19:17.450 --> 0:19:20.190 after the New South Wales Labor government announces that they're 0:19:20.210 --> 0:19:23.869 going to have pill testing at festivals so that kids 0:19:23.930 --> 0:19:27.469 today can have illicit drugs more safely. And we want 0:19:27.490 --> 0:19:29.149 to hang a bloke who says he used them 20 0:19:29.150 --> 0:19:31.649 years ago, but then took it upon himself in his 0:19:31.990 --> 0:19:35.040 20s to raise the children of somebody else and then 0:19:35.060 --> 0:19:37.400 went into the military. But anyway, we'll leave that there. 0:19:37.420 --> 0:19:41.460 Victorians will be the judge. Hey, Nick, digital duty of care. 0:19:41.880 --> 0:19:45.580 I say this is nuclear. In relation to free speech, 0:19:45.619 --> 0:19:49.280 a train wreck interview this morning from the Minister, Annika Wells, 0:19:49.900 --> 0:19:53.160 wasn't really sure what's in the legislation, forced to admit 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:56.100 that actually she'll be the umpire under regulations that are 0:19:56.160 --> 0:19:58.899 yet to be made, and also tried to deny that 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.160 youth services would be captured by these rules, and then 0:20:02.260 --> 0:20:04.640 forced to admit under a bit of pressure that yes, 0:20:04.740 --> 0:20:05.220 they will. 0:20:06.230 --> 0:20:10.889 That's right. And look, I may be plagiarising your editorial yesterday, Peter, 0:20:11.250 --> 0:20:13.810 I don't know, but I think this is Trojan horse legislation, 0:20:13.890 --> 0:20:15.649 isn't it? I mean, I've got no problem with the 0:20:15.730 --> 0:20:18.119 idea you can opt out of the algorithm. I mean, 0:20:18.140 --> 0:20:21.060 the algorithm is a politically neutral thing, as far as 0:20:21.140 --> 0:20:23.600 I can see, that's just there to put us something 0:20:23.660 --> 0:20:26.740 in our way that's going to grab our attention. And 0:20:26.810 --> 0:20:28.630 if we want to opt out of that, well, fair enough. 0:20:28.730 --> 0:20:34.130 But the real strength of this legislation... is in what 0:20:34.150 --> 0:20:37.250 it is saying about the power of the minister to 0:20:37.290 --> 0:20:41.800 decide what is misinformation, disinformation, all under the guise of 0:20:41.930 --> 0:20:45.000 saving children from harm. I mean, I think it is 0:20:45.540 --> 0:20:48.780 dangerous legislation. We know how this will be used. We 0:20:48.840 --> 0:20:53.080 saw it used during COVID, the kind of shutdown of disagreement, 0:20:53.200 --> 0:20:55.000 which on points of view that turned out to be 0:20:55.060 --> 0:20:59.109 absolutely right in the end. So it's very dangerous to 0:20:59.130 --> 0:21:02.730 give ministers these kind of powers And I really hope 0:21:02.869 --> 0:21:07.450 that Parliament, including the Greens, recognise that this is completely 0:21:07.470 --> 0:21:09.990 the wrong way for a country like Australia to go. 0:21:11.740 --> 0:21:14.820 Caroline, I thought of you when I saw these global 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:18.320 numbers come out about Australia's place in the world rankings 0:21:19.180 --> 0:21:22.210 for primary school maths and reading and other things, of course. 0:21:22.230 --> 0:21:24.510 We'll put them up on the screen. But we're really 0:21:24.570 --> 0:21:27.810 struggling in Australia in both mathematics and reading. And I 0:21:27.830 --> 0:21:30.869 looked at Singapore. I knew you grew up in Singapore. 0:21:31.590 --> 0:21:34.800 We spend billions in this country. What are they doing 0:21:34.880 --> 0:21:37.639 right in Singapore in the education system that we are 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:39.800 not doing right in Australia? 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:43.100 Let me start with what they're not doing in Singapore. 0:21:43.140 --> 0:21:48.220 They're not running schools and having teachers who are completely 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:53.820 consumed with activism and pushing far-left progressive causes on their students. 0:21:53.859 --> 0:21:57.369 They're just concentrating on the basics and They don't care 0:21:57.430 --> 0:22:01.790 about pronouns there. They don't care about wear it purple 0:22:01.830 --> 0:22:05.770 day or encouraging students to walk out for climate change 0:22:06.210 --> 0:22:10.300