WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 17 November

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<v Speaker 1>From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello,

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<v Speaker 1>and welcome to the show. You just had a big weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>mostly in the backyard, and it've had fantastic Oh you

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<v Speaker 1>got the head strimmer out, I've got the blower. I've

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<v Speaker 1>got three different blowers. Why not just get it all done?

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<v Speaker 1>And then a storm rolls in and it doesn't really matter.

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<v Speaker 1>But also if I seem a little depleted tonight, it's

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<v Speaker 1>because I cried so many dad years this weekend. Oh

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<v Speaker 1>my goodness, my two little girls at a beautiful little

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<v Speaker 1>concert put on by the music group that they work with.

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<v Speaker 1>And shout out to Kylie and Rodger, who I know

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<v Speaker 1>watch us each and every night they put it together.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll show you some photos tomorrow night. But oh, when

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<v Speaker 1>you see your kids sing and dance, unbelievable, right and

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<v Speaker 1>just yet, just a beautiful experience. So I hope you

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<v Speaker 1>had a wonderful weekend as well. Let's get on with

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<v Speaker 1>the news that we need to know about here, including

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<v Speaker 1>strength and love to everyone dealing with bushfires right now,

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<v Speaker 1>it's only a fringe of bushfires, and they were in

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of outskirts in Victoria. But again, as always

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<v Speaker 1>were all disasters comen, doesn't matter whether it's the height

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<v Speaker 1>of summer or the depths of winter. We talk about

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<v Speaker 1>it and we lead our show because we have maximum

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<v Speaker 1>sympathy for the people whose lives are turned upside down

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<v Speaker 1>by this stuff. Here's the CFA talking about it today

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<v Speaker 1>in Victoria. If you haven't prepared for summer, now is

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<v Speaker 1>the time.

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<v Speaker 2>To do so, because, as we saw yesterday, when fires

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<v Speaker 2>do start and spread quite rapidly, they can do so

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<v Speaker 2>with minimum morning in time.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, obviously the weather's been a little while. Some places

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<v Speaker 1>have been a little hotter than usual, most places have

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<v Speaker 1>been nowhere near it. What are we a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks away from the formal start of summer and there

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<v Speaker 1>are no real signs of it coming yet, So exactly

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<v Speaker 1>when is it going to start to make the turn

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<v Speaker 1>towards being warmer. I don't just say that in relation

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<v Speaker 1>to bushfires. I just said in the relation to all

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<v Speaker 1>of us packing away the long pants, pulling out the

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<v Speaker 1>flip flops, or the slides in my case after losing

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<v Speaker 1>a toe when I was a very little boy. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we get some information from the Bureau, and the Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>has put forward a couple of little insights into what

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<v Speaker 1>might be happening in the next little while. Well, Channel

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<v Speaker 1>Line this one up, so I'm taking from their information

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<v Speaker 1>here is that the good news is that the temperatures

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<v Speaker 1>are expected to be nice and warm. The bad though,

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<v Speaker 1>is there'll be plenty of rain. This is what we

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<v Speaker 1>know about the summer forecast. Now much of the country,

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<v Speaker 1>including the entire East Coast, Victoria's South Coast, Tasmania, the

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<v Speaker 1>West Coast and Darwin surround, so pretty much all of

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<v Speaker 1>Australia have a greater than seventy percent chance of hitting

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<v Speaker 1>above median maximum temperatures. Now, that does not mean it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be any fifty degrees everywhere. It just means

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be a little warmer. When it is

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<v Speaker 1>particularly warmer, I have a look at the map here.

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<v Speaker 1>The rhetoric gets the more likely it is that you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be above average. Now, remember median is not

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<v Speaker 1>the same as average. Median is literally the number between

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<v Speaker 1>the coldest day and the hottest day, and the median

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<v Speaker 1>being that middle number. Whether the middle number is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be higher or grossly higher. Now, obviously the rhetoric

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<v Speaker 1>gets the greater the chances of that median number being

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<v Speaker 1>warmer than it was last summer. Another one here though,

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<v Speaker 1>which is about fifty percent. There's actually less than fifty

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<v Speaker 1>percent chance of maximums hitting most of the country. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to be warm, but don't expect super warm

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<v Speaker 1>for super long. We'll get an official indication about the

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<v Speaker 1>summer forecast in a couple of weeks time, but I

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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to give you a little idea. And also

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to rain, you should know that rainfall

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<v Speaker 1>is sixty to eighty percent likely. It's said to be

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<v Speaker 1>above average for much of Eastern Australia, particularly in and

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<v Speaker 1>around Sydney, Central Coast, South Coast and maybe into the

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<v Speaker 1>mid North and North Coast there. But basically you can

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<v Speaker 1>see on the map there that well, the darker the green,

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<v Speaker 1>the more chance of rain. Surprise, surprise, the closer you

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<v Speaker 1>get towards the equator, it is going to be a

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<v Speaker 1>wet summer, so warmth is on its way. It will

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<v Speaker 1>not be a scorching summer. There will be rain like

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<v Speaker 1>it was a few years ago. But as I mentioned before,

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<v Speaker 1>while I took great fun cleaning up the yard this weekend,

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<v Speaker 1>police do so when it comes to your gutters because

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<v Speaker 1>we know Ember attack, all the rest of it. Do

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<v Speaker 1>everything you can to make your joint safe so that

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<v Speaker 1>on the off chance something crazy happens, your house will

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<v Speaker 1>not be one we'll be talking about in the weeks

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<v Speaker 1>and months to come. But let's get to politics, which

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<v Speaker 1>is always red hot. Prime Minister is overseas again. This

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<v Speaker 1>time he's at the APEC summit. The ye well and'

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<v Speaker 1>do you like that? Oh that's quite funny. Sorry, where

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<v Speaker 1>they were wearing the crazy shirts. They just had a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy scarf this time. As you know, the Prime Minister

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<v Speaker 1>gave an interview Andrew Clonell today where he kind of

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<v Speaker 1>dropped himself in it. The election will be at the

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<v Speaker 1>very last minute, which would be May of next year.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a budget scheduled for March and the election

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<v Speaker 3>will be in May. The speculation may well, that's when

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<v Speaker 3>it's due. It could be beforehand, but that will be

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<v Speaker 3>a matter for me to make in conjunction with my

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<v Speaker 3>cabinet colleagues.

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<v Speaker 1>Geez, you'd love to play poker with display, wouldn't he.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd love to even play uno with him? Or oh May,

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<v Speaker 1>oh no, no, no, not May not May. But this Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister is in a world of trouble. Now, there's lots

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<v Speaker 1>of ways to look at it. You can look at

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<v Speaker 1>his approval rating, which is lower than it was when he,

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<v Speaker 1>of course took over, and it is now beneath where

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton is. Right now, Australia seems like on multiple

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<v Speaker 1>poles they're ready to make a change after just three

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<v Speaker 1>years of this government. But just as it was in

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<v Speaker 1>the United States when people were surprised by the margin

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<v Speaker 1>by which Donald Trump was able to win, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>really a surprise that the most unpopular vice president lost

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<v Speaker 1>in a condition where seventy five percent of people said

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<v Speaker 1>the country was headed in the wrong direction. Now Australia

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<v Speaker 1>is not in that dramatic position, but the majority of

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<v Speaker 1>Australians think the joint is headed in the wrong direction.

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<v Speaker 1>Two poles, the Morgan pole and the Essential pole, both

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<v Speaker 1>show more than fifty percent, almost sixty percent in the

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<v Speaker 1>Morgan pole. Soy, we're headed in the wrong direction or

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<v Speaker 1>we're headed on the wrong track. But guess what number

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<v Speaker 1>they have exactly the same, not even a third of

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<v Speaker 1>the country, just thirty percent think that we are headed

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<v Speaker 1>in the right direction. Now, a government wanting to go

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<v Speaker 1>for reelection is in an awful position when it is

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<v Speaker 1>fighting with less than a third of people behind them

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<v Speaker 1>going into that election. And it really doesn't matter what

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<v Speaker 1>happens between now and May. In many ways, things may

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<v Speaker 1>be starting to be baked in now the Prime minister,

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<v Speaker 1>who we know is going to hold on to Kevin Rudd.

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<v Speaker 1>More on that in a second, But he was hardly

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<v Speaker 1>trying to move away from people who were either proven

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<v Speaker 1>losers or are assumed to be losers in a wave

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<v Speaker 1>of change that is making its way around the world.

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<v Speaker 1>Lots of cuddles for Joe Biden and even Justin Trudeau.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyone paying attention to Canadian politics knows how unpopular he

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<v Speaker 1>is at the moment. But big cuddles. Let's all pretend

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<v Speaker 1>nothing's changed. Let's all pretend the politics of four years

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<v Speaker 1>ago is the same politics as today. And we know

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<v Speaker 1>that this prime minister's political fortunes well, they completely took

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<v Speaker 1>a tumble when he decided to spend the best part

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<v Speaker 1>of half a billion dollars on the Voice campaign, where

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<v Speaker 1>he was distracted for an entire year trying to earn

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<v Speaker 1>a spot in history and to buff up his Wikipedia page.

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<v Speaker 1>But we all know what this country said and it

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<v Speaker 1>was sixty percent. No, he has never recovered since. And

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<v Speaker 1>just give you an idea about again the priorities of

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<v Speaker 1>a bloke who I don't think is either match fit

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<v Speaker 1>for an election or is making his case that he

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<v Speaker 1>has either learnt the lessons of the failure of his

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<v Speaker 1>term in office or try to meet the people where

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<v Speaker 1>they are. Australia looks like we are set for another distraction.

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<v Speaker 1>The federal government is going to work in tandem with

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<v Speaker 1>the South Australian government to try to bid for a

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<v Speaker 1>United Nations climate conference, the same ones that are playing

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<v Speaker 1>out right now on the other side of the world.

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<v Speaker 1>The suggestion is that Adelaide would be the place where

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<v Speaker 1>they would like it to be. Turkey is trying to bid,

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<v Speaker 1>just like it's for the Olympics, but just like a

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<v Speaker 1>Sydney denied Istanbul all those years ago the two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>Olympic Games. The hope would be that we will somehow

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<v Speaker 1>beat Turkey for the chance to invite a collection of

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<v Speaker 1>Turkeys to Australia Adelaide, specifically to talk about how terrible

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<v Speaker 1>the planet is now. Of course, Australia is one percent

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<v Speaker 1>of global emissions, yet according to the Global conferences which

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<v Speaker 1>have taken place. This government has signed us up to

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<v Speaker 1>paying millions of dollars to developing countries, Developing countries like China.

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<v Speaker 1>China alone thirty three percent of global emissions. China, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>had their handout last week saying that they deserve part

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<v Speaker 1>of one point eight t for trillion dollars from the

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<v Speaker 1>Western world advanced countries, polluting countries like Australia while they

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<v Speaker 1>pollute far more for far longer, and even under the

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<v Speaker 1>Paris Agreement, which now is worthless because we know Trump

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<v Speaker 1>will tear it up as he did between his time

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<v Speaker 1>in office last time, he will do it again for

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<v Speaker 1>the next four years. That China doesn't have to do

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<v Speaker 1>anything about its pollution until twenty thirty. Remember, they can

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<v Speaker 1>continue at thirty three percent of global emissions. They can

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<v Speaker 1>make it fifty percent if they want, and it's only

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<v Speaker 1>at that March that they will be marked against before

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<v Speaker 1>they have to start moving things down. Oh yeah, and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifty doesn't apply to them because they're a developing country.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, with the space station and plans to set

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<v Speaker 1>up a moon base, they are able to have a

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<v Speaker 1>twenty sixty net zero target, not a twenty fifty like

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<v Speaker 1>countries like Australia, the United States, the UK, New Zealand

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<v Speaker 1>and Canada have to look at So what does it

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<v Speaker 1>tell you about the priorities of this government that spent

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<v Speaker 1>a year distracting us with the issues to do with

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<v Speaker 1>the voice that they are planning and the lead up

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<v Speaker 1>to the next election, to be distracting us again when

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<v Speaker 1>it comes to climate change and suggesting that Australia should

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<v Speaker 1>be hosting a global conference, a global conference that, by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, the Prime Minister didn't attend this year and

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<v Speaker 1>didn't attend last year. So if it's a conference that's

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<v Speaker 1>so important that we should host it, could somebody explain

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<v Speaker 1>what the Prime Minister hasn't been to the last two

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<v Speaker 1>of three that have happened on his watch. It's all

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<v Speaker 1>about priorities and we know this bloke is nowhere near

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<v Speaker 1>where Middle Australia is. Which brings us to the number

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<v Speaker 1>one issue, that of course is always cost of living,

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<v Speaker 1>has been for the best part of three years. For

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<v Speaker 1>those who remember the ups and downs of the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two election campaign that brought this government to power,

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<v Speaker 1>it was all about cost of living. Remember the promise

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<v Speaker 1>that a labor government would lower the cost of living.

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<v Speaker 1>This was their promise the best part of three years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>and of course they have failed on every measure. Everything

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<v Speaker 1>in the supermarket costs more than before they came to office.

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<v Speaker 1>Your power bills are worth way more, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they promised that it would be fixed by now

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<v Speaker 1>and we'd be making our way towards two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>seventy five dollars off, not not at one off, totally

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<v Speaker 1>off your power bills. The cost of insurance and petrol

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<v Speaker 1>has gone up by huge amounts since they came to power,

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<v Speaker 1>not to mention twelve interest rate rises which had made

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<v Speaker 1>it so possible for people to hold on to properties,

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<v Speaker 1>and they've had to cut back in any number of areas.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't forget this is also the government while all of

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<v Speaker 1>that was happening, decided to increase taxes on ten million people.

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<v Speaker 1>Before they came to power, you could get an automatic

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen hundred dollars tax return, and more than thirty five

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<v Speaker 1>percent of Australians rely upon their tax return to be

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<v Speaker 1>able to pay some of the big bills that they

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<v Speaker 1>have accrued in the previous year. Remember fifteen hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 1>gone this government made that decision. But apparently the Labor

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<v Speaker 1>Party has worked out who to blame for everything that

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<v Speaker 1>has gone wrong on their watch despite promising for everything

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<v Speaker 1>to get better on their watch. Peter Dutton, you may

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<v Speaker 1>well have heard today that again there is about to

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<v Speaker 1>be a new scare campaign auga booga music, black and

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<v Speaker 1>white photos with the suggestion that you'll be worse off

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<v Speaker 1>under Dutton. Now this is their sort of cleverer version

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<v Speaker 1>of it won't be easy under our easy, but the

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<v Speaker 1>reality was that that claim was correct in twenty twenty two,

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<v Speaker 1>and then pretending that if you vote for Dutton then

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<v Speaker 1>a whole series of things are going to increase. While supermarkets, food,

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<v Speaker 1>power bills, cars, petrol, insurance and paying off a house

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<v Speaker 1>or renting one is way more than it was since

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<v Speaker 1>they came to power, then this is a pretty pretty

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<v Speaker 1>wild swing they're going to take while simultaneously distracting you

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<v Speaker 1>that despite the fact that climate change is not the

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<v Speaker 1>top order political issue in the most recent American election, remember,

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<v Speaker 1>less than three percent of people said that it was

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<v Speaker 1>their number one issue. I know that plenty of people

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<v Speaker 1>will say that it should always remain the top issue,

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<v Speaker 1>but it just isn't. It just isn't for people right now,

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<v Speaker 1>especially when we're one percent of the world's problem. China's

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<v Speaker 1>thirty three percent of the world's problem. And their solution is, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>weish you have a big talk fest in this country

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<v Speaker 1>that the Prime Minister has deemed not important enough to

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<v Speaker 1>attend this year or last year he went the year before,

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<v Speaker 1>because of course he wasn't Scott Morrison. But there is

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<v Speaker 1>also a wiyh that people are already starting to explain

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<v Speaker 1>the economy that should be better by now about why

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<v Speaker 1>it isn't and if it gets worse, it's definitely not

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<v Speaker 1>their responsibility. Multiple news organizations this week have been running

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<v Speaker 1>the scare campaign that Donald Trump is the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>your home loan, which has gone up by thousands of

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<v Speaker 1>dollars twelve interrastraight rises could still stay high, the reason

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<v Speaker 1>that everything in the shops will still stay high. It's

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<v Speaker 1>all going to be Trump's fault. What a convenient little excuse. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>remember this government has also said that war in the

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<v Speaker 1>Middle East was a reason why inflation was high, but

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<v Speaker 1>of course war in the Middle East, if that was

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<v Speaker 1>the case, would explain why America's inflation is lower than ours,

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<v Speaker 1>the UK's is lower than ours. No, of course not.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all just about changing the subject. This government on

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<v Speaker 1>every front, every time finds someone else to blame. There

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<v Speaker 1>is a point in time when the Australian public will

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<v Speaker 1>just not buy it. And while the big caveat that

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<v Speaker 1>I always say about this not being a one term

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<v Speaker 1>government is how many of the teals will hold on

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<v Speaker 1>to their seats If this wasn't nor more election than yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you probably would be talking about a one term government.

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<v Speaker 1>The number one issue Australians believe this government has not

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<v Speaker 1>done enough action on the press Gallery doesn't want to

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<v Speaker 1>talk about their decision to increase taxes by fifteen hundred

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<v Speaker 1>dollars on ten million workers. They think that if there's

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<v Speaker 1>one interest rate reduction somehow that will make you forget

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<v Speaker 1>about the twelve ones that went up before one comes

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<v Speaker 1>ever so slightly down. Just like the American population didn't

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<v Speaker 1>care when they were being told that everything is awesome

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<v Speaker 1>because there is a number coming out of Washington, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not sure that people are going to feel the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Are not going to feel any different in this country

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<v Speaker 1>when they keep being told by people in Canberra that

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<v Speaker 1>everything is awesome and everything is better. But speaking of

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<v Speaker 1>miss priorities, Parliament's back this week and guess what they're

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<v Speaker 1>going to be talking about as Parliament returns for the

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<v Speaker 1>next two weeks, the final two weeks of the years.

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<v Speaker 1>She's going to be good to be aup Pont logician.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't it three pay rises that they have got during

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<v Speaker 1>this term of parliament and their work effectively ends before

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<v Speaker 1>December starts. Now, last time Parliament was there and they

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<v Speaker 1>were trying to distract from the upgrade elbow scandal, which

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<v Speaker 1>still hurts the Prime Minister even though he flies on

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<v Speaker 1>one of two brand new private jets, but of course

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<v Speaker 1>they were ordered under the previous government, so they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>possibly cancel. It was that they passed a law to

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<v Speaker 1>guarantee that the NBN would never be sold. It was

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<v Speaker 1>never for sale, no one was planning to buy it.

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<v Speaker 1>But of course they turned around and this was a

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<v Speaker 1>way of distracting everyone for twenty four hours. And guess what,

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<v Speaker 1>you've even forgotten the distraction, which means that distraction wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>particularly effective. It just was their attempt to not talk

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<v Speaker 1>about upgrade albow in question time for a couple of days. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>still in the communications field. The big priority for the

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<v Speaker 1>next two weeks is not going to be doing anything

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<v Speaker 1>about cost of living, it said, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>about censoring the Internet. Now, you know, I've been banging

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<v Speaker 1>on about this for the best part now a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years, because you know what the consequences of this

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<v Speaker 1>are the federal government deciding what is or isn't allowed

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<v Speaker 1>for you to be able to post on social media,

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<v Speaker 1>and then effectively the pester power of these social media

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<v Speaker 1>companies being fined for what the government believes to be

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<v Speaker 1>misinformation as defined by far left wing fact checkers, as

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<v Speaker 1>policed by an e Safety commissioner who of course was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to tell Elon Musk that videos that were seen

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<v Speaker 1>around the world could not be seen in Australia. This

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<v Speaker 1>is again a distraction. You see what I love here

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<v Speaker 1>is that the federal government that's going to turn around

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<v Speaker 1>and say that the next election could be lost because

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<v Speaker 1>of lies on the internet was completely fine when those

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<v Speaker 1>lies were being spread by the Labor Party many years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, when it was about the sale of Medicare,

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<v Speaker 1>or the lies in the Queensland election which were all

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<v Speaker 1>about abortion, many ads about those paid for by political

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<v Speaker 1>parties know what they want is for you not to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to see comments like this. They want to

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<v Speaker 1>deny you the capacity to take a link from sky

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<v Speaker 1>news dot com. That are you to post it on

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<v Speaker 1>your Facebook page, to put it out on x or

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<v Speaker 1>to amplify it in whatever social media platform that you

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<v Speaker 1>are because despite the fact that, as always I show

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<v Speaker 1>you the data and then we put our opinion on

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<v Speaker 1>top of the data, they won't care because they'll find

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<v Speaker 1>somebody else to find their homework, and a completely separate

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<v Speaker 1>set of data will somehow disprove everything that I have

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<v Speaker 1>used as the data to make my points, which are

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<v Speaker 1>often wild right wing think tanks like the Australian Bureau

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<v Speaker 1>of Statistics. It's why I try to quote government figures

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<v Speaker 1>while pointing out the lies that the politicians in the

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<v Speaker 1>government talk about. Well, this thing was pulled towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end of last year because the first version of it,

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<v Speaker 1>well it's stunk. Apparently the second version stinks less. But

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<v Speaker 1>everyone who are posed it the first time now opposes

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<v Speaker 1>it the second time. There will be a vote on

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<v Speaker 1>it in the Senate in the next two weeks. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>as it seems there is a great want to censor

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<v Speaker 1>the Internet. And I've said many times, don't fall for

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<v Speaker 1>this misinformation tag. It's about censoring the Internet, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pleased the good people who make the cartoons for Paul

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<v Speaker 1>Enhansen use that exact term in this week's ripper of

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<v Speaker 1>a cartoon.

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<v Speaker 4>You see Adam ask government to make control over the

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<v Speaker 4>mainstream media for years. But oh no, everybody at start

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<v Speaker 4>making podcasts and youtubes and thinking for themselves. Banabo. We're

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<v Speaker 4>just the Australian government. How were supposed to sensor the

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<v Speaker 4>entire Internet? It's easy, Adam, meet Julie the e Safety Commissioner.

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<v Speaker 1>Blucked delete Julie, good news.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm juilly teening debate and rushing through the Misinformation Bill

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<v Speaker 4>under everyone's nose. This congratulations. We're giving you all the

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<v Speaker 4>powers of the government and more said, to the Internet

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<v Speaker 4>and label everything we don't like it's misinformation. Got my

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<v Speaker 4>pretty go go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a ripper Jay the full two minutes. But obviously

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<v Speaker 1>we've got other things to get to. I'll make sure

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<v Speaker 1>I post it on our Facebook page while we have

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<v Speaker 1>the time, or you can go and find it for

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<v Speaker 1>yourself on YouTube, which is of course Pullen Hanson's Please explain, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>it all comes down to the Senate. The Senate has

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<v Speaker 1>had its debate, had its inquiry, and now it's time

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<v Speaker 1>to have its vote. So let's get into the mats

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<v Speaker 1>here because in the end, that's all it's going to matter.

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<v Speaker 1>They need thirty nine votes to censor the Internet. If

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<v Speaker 1>all of the Labor Party, including the President of the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate plus the Greens vote, which they will, that's thirty six.

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<v Speaker 1>They need thirty nine. There are five left wing cross

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<v Speaker 1>bench votes, which means if all of them voted with

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<v Speaker 1>the government, this thing would pass, and pass pretty easily.

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<v Speaker 1>But I've got some good news for you. You can

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<v Speaker 1>start to strike some numbers off that number five. David Pocock, no,

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<v Speaker 1>Tammy Tyrell, no Fatima Payman, no, Jackie Lamby no. So

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<v Speaker 1>that would of course mean that there are four of

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<v Speaker 1>the five that are gone, meaning this thing's dead. Right. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>there is a different way this could happen Lydia Thorpe

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<v Speaker 1>of course still up for grabs. We'll find out what

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<v Speaker 1>she has to say. If she says no, then this

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<v Speaker 1>thing is absolutely dead on arrival. But if she is

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<v Speaker 1>able to vote with the Greens, and that gets them

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<v Speaker 1>and the Labour Party to thirty seven? They need two more.

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<v Speaker 1>So where are the smokies? David Van is the former

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal senator who is now an independent senator. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no expectation of him being re elected. What could be

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<v Speaker 1>offered in exchange for his vote? And I don't suggest

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<v Speaker 1>that in a corrupt fashion. I just mean politicians always

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<v Speaker 1>want one thing, so they do a deal over here

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<v Speaker 1>to do a deal over there. So is there a

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<v Speaker 1>scenario where David Van and Lydia Thorpe get together to

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<v Speaker 1>take this thing to thirty eight votes? If that's the case,

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<v Speaker 1>that is technically a tie in the Senate. That is

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<v Speaker 1>when if thirty eight years thirty eight, No, what ends

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<v Speaker 1>up happening is that the President of the Senate casts

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<v Speaker 1>a casting vote. But because they are already counted the

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<v Speaker 1>overall number of labor people, this thing would still fall short.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember they need thirty nine votes to pass. Now. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what David Van's planning to do, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying, if Thorpe and Van it's only thirty eight,

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<v Speaker 1>meaning where could the final vote come from. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not going to come from a one nation senator. There's

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<v Speaker 1>two of them. It's not going to come from Ralph Babbott,

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<v Speaker 1>the United Australian Party senator, and it's not going to

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<v Speaker 1>come from gered Rennick, who of course has gone out

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<v Speaker 1>on his own with a big Australian Freedom Party that

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<v Speaker 1>he's trying to launch at the moment. Sorry, I know

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<v Speaker 1>that's not the actual name, but you get my point.

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<v Speaker 1>So at this moment, if everyone holds the line and

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<v Speaker 1>even Lydia Thorpe falls in, even if a former ex

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<v Speaker 1>Liberal is somehow able to join, then this thing will die.

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<v Speaker 1>The government will not be able to censor the Internet.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's me just doing the numbers on the back

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<v Speaker 1>of the napkin. Politics has a very strange way of

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<v Speaker 1>producing some surprise results every now and then, Wait, watch

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<v Speaker 1>and sea. But it should be if all things are

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<v Speaker 1>headed in the right direction, a good decision, which is

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<v Speaker 1>that freedom of speech will continue in this country. Your

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<v Speaker 1>capacity to tell your friends about something interesting that you

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<v Speaker 1>read or watch or heard will be unimpeded. But watch

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<v Speaker 1>this space. It's going to be a very interesting week.

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<v Speaker 1>Does Labor take the vote and lose quickly or do

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<v Speaker 1>they try to wait until the very end of the

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<v Speaker 1>second week, after dark, when everyone's headed for the doors

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<v Speaker 1>to find some mystery way of being able to get

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<v Speaker 1>to their magic number of thirty nine. Don't say you

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<v Speaker 1>weren't warned. One thing I've talked about for ten years

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<v Speaker 1>when it comes to renewable energy is that I don't

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<v Speaker 1>have a problem with renewable energy. My problem is with

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of the transition to renewable energy. Great doco

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<v Speaker 1>about this, of course, coming up on Tuesday with the

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<v Speaker 1>Chris Yuleman. Make sure that you watch it eight o'clock.

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<v Speaker 1>That's going to be mussed stuff. Remember a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>years ago when Chris Kennedy did that excellent documentary about

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear power. Well, this one is even better. It is

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<v Speaker 1>a spectacular piece of work. I've seen a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>rough cuts and it is an absolute belter. So make

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<v Speaker 1>sure that you're there at eight o'clock and we'll talk

0:23:17.359 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 1>about it straight after at nine o'clock astraight in eastern

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<v Speaker 1>daylight time. But Chris Bowen, of course, is obsessed, obsessed

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<v Speaker 1>with trying to make the change from the system that

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<v Speaker 1>worked to the one that might work. Fingers crossed. But

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<v Speaker 1>the cost of the transition is hundreds of billions of dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>Best case scenario is I think the CSO said about

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<v Speaker 1>half a trillion dollars. Reality is, there's some new numbers

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<v Speaker 1>popping up today, saying it could be closer to six

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<v Speaker 1>hundred and forty two billion dollars, not one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>twenty two billion dollars as the government was claiming way

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<v Speaker 1>back when the Prime Minister says that all of this

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<v Speaker 1>is fine because we'll be a renewable energy superpower because

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<v Speaker 1>we might be able to send some solar power to Singapore.

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<v Speaker 1>But according to the model, replacing the predominantly coal fire

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<v Speaker 1>power system with mainly solar and wind would set Australia

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<v Speaker 1>back at least six hundred and forty two billion dollars

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<v Speaker 1>labor promised, along with two hundred and seventy five dollars

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<v Speaker 1>off your energy bills. One hundred and twenty two billion dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>More than five hundred billion dollar black hole is due

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<v Speaker 1>to the exclusion of fixed or variable operating expenses, fuel

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<v Speaker 1>and more than sixty billion dollars worth of transmission projects,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as the use of an accounting treatment called

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<v Speaker 1>net present value rather than actual prices, meaning the way

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<v Speaker 1>they got the lowest number was by like the old

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<v Speaker 1>way used to find sbs on your television. They were

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<v Speaker 1>leaning really out on one side with a coat hanger.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully just one second, one second, let's see is arp

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<v Speaker 1>A winning. But surprise, surprise, the reality is not going

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<v Speaker 1>to be what they promised. Instead, it's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what you have experienced over the past three years,

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<v Speaker 1>which is bills that keep going up and up and up.

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<v Speaker 1>Why because the stuff has to be built, it will

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<v Speaker 1>either be paid for by us the taxpayer. There's tens

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<v Speaker 1>of billions. I would suggest we're on our way towards

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<v Speaker 1>over one hundred billion dollars in off budget measures, which

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<v Speaker 1>means we're paying for it. We're still borrowing money, but

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<v Speaker 1>for some reason they don't have to report it, because

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<v Speaker 1>that's a lovely little trick they're able to play. Or

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<v Speaker 1>of course, it is private companies that do it, which

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<v Speaker 1>means you the consumer. Now, of course, green energy advocates

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<v Speaker 1>will tell you, sure, okay, there's a big expense about

0:25:22.480 --> 0:25:25.200
<v Speaker 1>setting it all up, but once it's set up, everything's cheaper. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>but that logic's the same for everything. Once you've paid

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<v Speaker 1>off your home, look at all that extra money that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to have. We're not paying a home loan.

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<v Speaker 1>But you know how long and how arduous and how

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<v Speaker 1>difficult and how many variables they are over the twenty

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty years of paying off a home loan. This

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<v Speaker 1>was Ted O'Brien, the opposition's energy spokesperson on outsiders this morning.

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<v Speaker 5>We've seen under the Albanesi government the polar opposite. Australians

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<v Speaker 5>are now paying among the highest prices in the world.

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<v Speaker 5>Emissions have been going up since Labor came to office,

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<v Speaker 5>and the market operator is saying the lights might go out.

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<v Speaker 1>And just by the way, just the double standard stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Bromwin Bishop has of course educated us about years and

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<v Speaker 1>years about one rule for them, one rule for everybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Peter Dutton was coppying it from client protesters because he

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<v Speaker 1>was not planning to announce the coalition's twenty thirty target

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<v Speaker 1>going into this election. Little only twenty thirty five target

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<v Speaker 1>going into this election, because he says all of that's

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<v Speaker 1>meaningless because it's just about getting a net zero and

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<v Speaker 1>doing it by twenty fifty. Hence why nuclear energy would

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<v Speaker 1>be part of that mix and by twenty fifty we

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<v Speaker 1>will be able to hit that goal. At the time,

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister said this when Peter Dutton would not

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<v Speaker 1>tell us his twenty thirty or twenty thirty five targets.

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<v Speaker 3>What Peter Dutton is saying is that he won't have

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty thirty target.

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<v Speaker 1>This is an extraordinary.

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<v Speaker 3>Failure of leadership from Peter Dutton at chows. He's not

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<v Speaker 3>up to the job of being the alternative prime minister

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<v Speaker 3>of this country.

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<v Speaker 1>Well well, well again, big stuff out of this interview

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<v Speaker 1>today with Andrew Clannell asking all the right questions of

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister, because the Prime Minister was leaking to

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<v Speaker 1>the media today or his office was saying off to

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<v Speaker 1>the media, look, we may not tell you what we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to do with twenty thirty five before the election. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>of course they say it's because it's complicated and we

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<v Speaker 1>need to model things. No, the reality is if they

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<v Speaker 1>hit a number, remember the Teals and the Greens, they

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be the best part of seventy five percent

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<v Speaker 1>of emissions reductions by twenty thirty five. If it's a

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<v Speaker 1>minority government, that's the number they will have to adhere to.

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<v Speaker 1>Because remember the genius playing four hs of climate politics

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<v Speaker 1>in this country passed a law about a twenty thirty

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<v Speaker 1>target meaning that law would therefore be amended by a

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<v Speaker 1>minority government driven by the Greens and the Teals for

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<v Speaker 1>twenty thirty five. But they'll pretend that they don't have

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you what that number is until after the election.

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<v Speaker 1>When Peter Dutton had that position, it was a disgrace

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<v Speaker 1>when it's easy doing it well, of course, it's completely okay,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the term we have for it? When the Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister says one thing and then says the exact Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, all right. A bit about Kevin Rudd in DC.

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<v Speaker 1>The Prime Minister said today that there will be no change,

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<v Speaker 1>which of course will be a great relief to the

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<v Speaker 1>current ambassador and the man who of course was originally

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<v Speaker 1>the Prime Minister to Albo's deputy prime Minister way back

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<v Speaker 1>when when he of course was fighting Tories but actually

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<v Speaker 1>really fighting Julia Gillard.

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<v Speaker 6>Do you think he'll be there for another year or more.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's Australia's ambassador to Washington and he's doing a

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<v Speaker 3>very important job.

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<v Speaker 6>How do we get to this point? I guess with

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<v Speaker 6>Donald Trump saying we're going to have a perfect friendship,

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<v Speaker 6>and then a week later one of his right hand

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<v Speaker 6>men is tweeting this hour Glass about saying Kevin Rudd's

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<v Speaker 6>running out of time.

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<v Speaker 3>We had a comment on someone who I don't know

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<v Speaker 3>and have never had a discussion with. The discussion I

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<v Speaker 3>had with President Trump was very constructive and very positive.

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<v Speaker 6>And didn't mention Kevin.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>No, Yeah, the year no name staff is a guy

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<v Speaker 1>called Dan Scavino who has been by his side since

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fifteen, all the way through Unbroken, and he has

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<v Speaker 1>just been named a special advisor to the President. So

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<v Speaker 1>let's not pretend that this is some sort of figure

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<v Speaker 1>that can be ignored. But still, the lefty drums have

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<v Speaker 1>been beating for some time that to dare show the

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<v Speaker 1>old comments of the former prime minister now ambassador is

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<v Speaker 1>apparently some sort of news corp conspiracy, despite the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that of course the four D chess there would be

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<v Speaker 1>let's get him out of the job so he can

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<v Speaker 1>come back to call for a Royal commission into the business. Okay. Interestingly, though,

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Abernei has apparently had a conversation with Donald Trump,

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<v Speaker 1>but for some reason, he has made no effort during

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:02.360
<v Speaker 1>that conversation to actually say, Hey, all this tariff stuff

0:30:02.360 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>that you're talking about will that apply to us. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>generally speaking, this stuff doesn't apply to us. The tariff

0:30:07.360 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>policy is all about countries specifically like China, or maybe

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 1>North American countries or Central American countries, places like Mexico. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>Albo thought that in all of the things to bring

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<v Speaker 1>up the potential trade situation. But then again, maybe he

0:30:25.000 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 1>wants the trade situation because then they can blame their

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<v Speaker 1>economy on Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 6>Scott Morrison and Malcolm Turnbull were able to talk Donald

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<v Speaker 6>Trump out of imposing tariffs on Australia. Do you think

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<v Speaker 6>you'll be able to do the same.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I, of course will always stand up for Australia's interests,

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<v Speaker 3>And when I spoke with President Trump, I pointed out,

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<v Speaker 3>as I'm sure they did, that the United States has

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed a trade surplus with Australia since Truman was president,

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<v Speaker 3>so for a long period of time. So the trade

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<v Speaker 3>between Australia and the United States is in both of

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<v Speaker 3>our nations interests.

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<v Speaker 1>I love when he's just quickly looked at Google and

0:31:07.640 --> 0:31:10.120
<v Speaker 1>found Truman in a day, Morman. I always knew that.

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I always knew that. Okay. As for Trump in the

0:31:13.920 --> 0:31:15.320
<v Speaker 1>day that he had today, he turned up to the

0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 1>UFC same building that he had his apparently faithful, horrible,

0:31:18.880 --> 0:31:23.080
<v Speaker 1>disastrous rally Madison Square Garden, and they didn't boo him.

0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>In fact, they love forty seven. It's of the president. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god. But despite the fact that he's winning, winning, winning, fighting, fighting, fighting,

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<v Speaker 1>and getting plenty of people to cheer him along the

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<v Speaker 1>way in lefty Land, Oh, let's still hurting.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen this before. Historically, Adolf Hitler purged the Nazi

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<v Speaker 3>Party of Nazis.

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<v Speaker 7>That he felt had too much power and become political enemies.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the Touch has gone lurching back to the right.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope it's not going as far right as that

0:32:03.480 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>which happened in Germany in the nineteen thirties. The Nazi

0:32:07.920 --> 0:32:11.760
<v Speaker 1>thing didn't work, You don't. They'll keep rolling on. And

0:32:11.800 --> 0:32:13.920
<v Speaker 1>remember when the election was apparently gonna be decided by

0:32:13.920 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 1>Tyler Swift getting involved. Well, some Cliver bugger with access

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to a computer has been able to use a little

0:32:19.400 --> 0:32:25.040
<v Speaker 1>bit of AI to turn Taylor Swift and Trump will

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<v Speaker 1>in the opposite direction. Taylor, Ed's done, just started jack in.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that Joe and I used to be in.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the losing side you should have voted more like

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<v Speaker 1>Patrick's wife, shad up brittany more more more, more, more

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<v Speaker 1>more more she feel sale falling for the blatant life.

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<v Speaker 1>Come a let track you with shit bouring out as

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<v Speaker 1>abby the present and you'll be a saint. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>jud this thing. Oh if that's the Taylor Swift song

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<v Speaker 1>that I have to hear in my house for the

0:33:06.800 --> 0:33:09.520
<v Speaker 1>next year or so, I'll be fine. The rest of

0:33:09.560 --> 0:33:11.920
<v Speaker 1>them kind of the same. What a surprise. She always

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:14.680
<v Speaker 1>makes terrible choices. Quick break back with more here on

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<v Speaker 1>Paul Murray Live. Lots to talk about with a great

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<v Speaker 1>and cracker Jack tannel, including their prediction for the week

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and then cyclone Tracy fifty years on. We'll go

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<v Speaker 1>to darn with more in a second. Thanks very much

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<v Speaker 1>for watching. Let's get straight into it right now with

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<v Speaker 1>James Ashby, who of course did his best at the

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<v Speaker 1>Queen's Land election, but of course continues all day every

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<v Speaker 1>day working with Paul and Hanson there in the One

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<v Speaker 1>Nation office, and his big brain was behind that excellent

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<v Speaker 1>cartoon of which I was able to borrow the episode

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<v Speaker 1>slightly a few seconds of lot. Well done, mate, I

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<v Speaker 1>loved it. You and the step Mates team and Linda Scott.

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<v Speaker 1>Of course, she's free of all responsibilities, so she can

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<v Speaker 1>say whatever she wants, but it'll always be in service

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<v Speaker 1>of the Labor Party. Now let's get to the scare

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<v Speaker 1>campaign of all scare campaigns, which begins before the election,

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<v Speaker 1>which definitely won't be in May, despite the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>he said that it in May. Wow, what a card player.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's part of this scare campaigning about Peter Dutton.

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<v Speaker 6>The average household will be around seven six hundred dollars

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<v Speaker 6>worse off under Dune.

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<v Speaker 1>Dunton doesn't add up for working people. You'll be worse

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<v Speaker 1>off underdone, James. We are worse off under ALBERNISI is

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<v Speaker 1>anyone going to buy that? Sure? Ah?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, sadly they do, Paul. This is where the negative

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<v Speaker 2>advertising look. It doesn't work on people who watch this program.

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<v Speaker 2>Clearly they're more engaged and they understand what's going on

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<v Speaker 2>behind the scenes and in day to day politics.

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<v Speaker 1>But for the average.

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<v Speaker 2>Person who is more worried about paying off their mortgage

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<v Speaker 2>or trying to get a rental at an affordable price

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<v Speaker 2>which doesn't leave them homeless, they're not tuned into.

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<v Speaker 1>The media like you and I are.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I also just point out when you are not

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<v Speaker 2>within an election period, it is half the price, if

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<v Speaker 2>not a third of the price to do advertising of

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<v Speaker 2>this nature. So when you enter an election cycle they've

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<v Speaker 2>got a special rate car for the advertising of political content,

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<v Speaker 2>but outside of that, it's a third of the price.

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<v Speaker 2>So they are just eating away, just chipping away bit

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<v Speaker 2>by bit by bit at the coalition here. If anything,

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<v Speaker 2>what this advertising will probably do is favor minor parties

0:35:17.360 --> 0:35:20.040
<v Speaker 2>one nation because the public who will be watching this

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<v Speaker 2>won't necessarily want to vote for Labor either, and they go, well, listen,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll just place out bet with one nation. So that's

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<v Speaker 2>what's happening behind the scenes. And yes, it does work,

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<v Speaker 2>whether you and I like it or not.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and this is why you know, you have to

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<v Speaker 1>be dexterous enough to be able to respond to it.

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll see what the Liberal Party does in the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing. Well, Linda, does this show a proactive Labor

0:35:40.719 --> 0:35:43.359
<v Speaker 1>party that's not going to have its issues defined? They

0:35:43.400 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>will define the issues. No.

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<v Speaker 8>I just think it shows that they're trying to get

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<v Speaker 8>some truthful messages out there. I mean, we talked about

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.400
<v Speaker 8>the fact that Peter Dutton when he was the Health minister,

0:35:52.560 --> 0:35:55.480
<v Speaker 8>tried to introduce a Medicare co payment. He's now got

0:35:55.560 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 8>nuclear power on the cards. You know, clearly csiro is recommended.

0:35:59.480 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 8>It's fifty. He sent more expensive than wind and renewable

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:05.800
<v Speaker 8>energy sources. So he's got all sorts of very expensive

0:36:05.840 --> 0:36:09.239
<v Speaker 8>propositions on the table, but has also promised to go

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:12.280
<v Speaker 8>to the election with one hundred billion dollars with the cuts,

0:36:12.480 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 8>but not saying where they're going to come from. Paul, So,

0:36:15.520 --> 0:36:18.000
<v Speaker 8>I think we just need some honesty. The Australian people

0:36:18.040 --> 0:36:20.560
<v Speaker 8>expect to know the details of the policy that the

0:36:20.600 --> 0:36:22.920
<v Speaker 8>coalition is going to take to the election. They expect

0:36:22.960 --> 0:36:25.280
<v Speaker 8>to know where the cuts are going to be made,

0:36:25.320 --> 0:36:28.440
<v Speaker 8>and they expect to hear clearly from the leader of

0:36:28.440 --> 0:36:31.560
<v Speaker 8>the Opposition how on earth it is that he is

0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:36.280
<v Speaker 8>going to make commitments about things that people will trust.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you're talking about misinformation. I could challenge you on plenty,

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.319
<v Speaker 1>but let's just move on to the vote that's going

0:36:41.360 --> 0:36:43.919
<v Speaker 1>to happen this week. Fatima Payment one of those key

0:36:43.960 --> 0:36:48.719
<v Speaker 1>left leaning MPs and senators. They need a couple of them,

0:36:48.800 --> 0:36:51.120
<v Speaker 1>they need three of them, sorry, but most of the

0:36:51.120 --> 0:36:53.080
<v Speaker 1>five that are up for Grabs have said no. She's

0:36:53.120 --> 0:36:55.160
<v Speaker 1>the latest to say no to censoring the internet.

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<v Speaker 7>Freedom of speech is a pillar of our democracy and

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.440
<v Speaker 7>this bill threatens that. Of course, misinformation and disinformation are

0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:08.800
<v Speaker 7>a problem, but this bill isn't the answer. The powers

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:12.560
<v Speaker 7>it grants could lead to over censorship, with the government

0:37:12.640 --> 0:37:18.160
<v Speaker 7>deciding what does and doesn't count as the truth. That's

0:37:18.200 --> 0:37:19.839
<v Speaker 7>not the Australia I believe in.

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:22.560
<v Speaker 1>I love that, James. These people have all come to

0:37:22.600 --> 0:37:24.719
<v Speaker 1>the decision that you and I made two years ago

0:37:24.760 --> 0:37:26.760
<v Speaker 1>when we first heard about it. Well done for skewing

0:37:26.800 --> 0:37:29.080
<v Speaker 1>them again in the cartoon as you did so. Did

0:37:29.080 --> 0:37:30.480
<v Speaker 1>I get the math's right when I was at the

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:32.239
<v Speaker 1>start of the show trying to explain where we are

0:37:32.320 --> 0:37:37.520
<v Speaker 1>here where Basically Thorpe is the only unannounced one right now.

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.080
<v Speaker 1>But even if they get Thorpe and somehow there's a

0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:43.920
<v Speaker 1>surprise with the former Liberal senator in David Van, this

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:46.760
<v Speaker 1>thing would be one vote short and therefore den on arrival.

0:37:46.800 --> 0:37:48.600
<v Speaker 1>Is that you're reading of the numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight, Yeah, you are fottom with those numbers. I doubt

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:54.800
<v Speaker 2>very much that Lydia Thorpe will come to the party

0:37:54.840 --> 0:37:57.560
<v Speaker 2>on this and David Van I think this is a

0:37:57.719 --> 0:38:00.839
<v Speaker 2>dead in the water bill. I mus take my hat

0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.840
<v Speaker 2>off to Fatima Payman because she is not only a

0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:06.120
<v Speaker 2>woman of color, but she's a migrant to this country,

0:38:06.440 --> 0:38:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Ani Muslim, who believes in free speech, unlike her colleague

0:38:10.640 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 2>in the Senate, Mariene Ferruci, who obviously doesn't believe in

0:38:14.320 --> 0:38:16.880
<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech because of that Ade and C case.

0:38:17.080 --> 0:38:18.919
<v Speaker 2>But well do under her for at least speaking out

0:38:18.960 --> 0:38:22.200
<v Speaker 2>and saying she will not support this labor bill. Look,

0:38:22.640 --> 0:38:24.560
<v Speaker 2>you're right when you say that one nation came to

0:38:25.040 --> 0:38:29.239
<v Speaker 2>their senses years ago when the Coalition proposed this Misinformation

0:38:29.320 --> 0:38:32.799
<v Speaker 2>and Disinformation bill. From the get go, you would have

0:38:32.800 --> 0:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>thought that Labor had learned a lesson when they dropped

0:38:34.800 --> 0:38:36.120
<v Speaker 2>it because they didn't have the numbers.

0:38:36.160 --> 0:38:36.319
<v Speaker 1>Then.

0:38:36.440 --> 0:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they're going to have the numbers in

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:41.600
<v Speaker 2>the coming week or fortnite, because, as you say, it

0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.040
<v Speaker 2>could be one of those late night sittings of Parliament

0:38:44.080 --> 0:38:47.320
<v Speaker 2>where they try and rush this through because someone's fallen

0:38:47.320 --> 0:38:49.319
<v Speaker 2>asleep on the couch in their office or gone home

0:38:49.360 --> 0:38:51.799
<v Speaker 2>a little bit early. So watch this space. It's not

0:38:51.960 --> 0:38:54.480
<v Speaker 2>dead yet, but with a bit of luck, they will

0:38:54.520 --> 0:38:55.520
<v Speaker 2>not get this bill through.

0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, a couple of free holidays to some backbenches from

0:38:58.560 --> 0:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the LNP. We'll see what happens the next sort of while. Now,

0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 1>of course I know that Senator Senator Farouki speed dial

0:39:05.000 --> 0:39:08.319
<v Speaker 1>for lawyers. Obviously she would disagree with that suggestion. She'd

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 1>like to come on the program to state her case.

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.600
<v Speaker 1>She's more than welcome. Sorry, James, I just want to

0:39:12.600 --> 0:39:16.200
<v Speaker 1>save myself from the meeting tomorrow. Now, Enough said Linda again.

0:39:16.360 --> 0:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>This misinformation bill, if it looks like it's going to fail,

0:39:18.960 --> 0:39:21.759
<v Speaker 1>do you fail quickly? Just tactically, as a person who

0:39:21.800 --> 0:39:24.040
<v Speaker 1>has been in a room counsel, you can see that

0:39:24.080 --> 0:39:25.480
<v Speaker 1>you're going to get there by a vote or you're

0:39:25.480 --> 0:39:27.359
<v Speaker 1>going to fall over by a vote. Do you wait

0:39:27.400 --> 0:39:29.400
<v Speaker 1>to the end of two weeks and then basically have

0:39:29.480 --> 0:39:31.879
<v Speaker 1>a two week storyline of failure or if it's going

0:39:31.920 --> 0:39:33.360
<v Speaker 1>to die, idea kill it quickly.

0:39:33.920 --> 0:39:37.000
<v Speaker 8>Look I think that again, it's really disappointing that the

0:39:37.120 --> 0:39:39.560
<v Speaker 8>Coalition have not decided to vote for this bill. I

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:42.360
<v Speaker 8>understand that they're always going to try and make this

0:39:42.440 --> 0:39:46.080
<v Speaker 8>about free speech, but for the now increasingly millions of

0:39:46.080 --> 0:39:51.040
<v Speaker 8>Australians that have been scammed, they're finding false information on

0:39:51.080 --> 0:39:54.399
<v Speaker 8>the Internet. And we've seen over the weekend in some

0:39:54.440 --> 0:39:58.160
<v Speaker 8>of the Sydney Morning Herald papers. You know, these incredible videos,

0:39:58.239 --> 0:40:03.040
<v Speaker 8>fake videos of Lee being Australian figures clearly selling fake

0:40:03.239 --> 0:40:06.399
<v Speaker 8>financial products. I mean these stopping scamming.

0:40:06.400 --> 0:40:09.560
<v Speaker 1>People, stopping the ability to share YouTube videos. The government ow.

0:40:09.480 --> 0:40:13.560
<v Speaker 8>Things are scamming real Australians. Many Australians don't like to

0:40:13.560 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 8>talk about it because they're embarrassed, but they're losing their houses.

0:40:17.120 --> 0:40:19.880
<v Speaker 8>We're not talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. And

0:40:19.920 --> 0:40:24.080
<v Speaker 8>these kinds of bills are designed to prevent misinformation and

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:28.239
<v Speaker 8>disinformation and scams, take them off the Internet and give

0:40:28.320 --> 0:40:33.799
<v Speaker 8>those scag social media companies to have them have a

0:40:33.840 --> 0:40:36.840
<v Speaker 8>penalty if they keep that information up and online. I

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:38.919
<v Speaker 8>think Australians are listening to this, and I think they'll

0:40:38.920 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 8>be disappointed that the Coalition is not trying to do

0:40:41.719 --> 0:40:44.560
<v Speaker 8>everything they can to block and get in the way

0:40:44.640 --> 0:40:47.640
<v Speaker 8>of those really serious and dangerous financial scams.

0:40:47.760 --> 0:40:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a reason why we haven't seen much

0:40:49.480 --> 0:40:53.080
<v Speaker 1>polling on this. Even left wing organizations know this thing

0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:55.840
<v Speaker 1>would poll very poorly. Censoring the Internet was has always

0:40:55.920 --> 0:40:58.760
<v Speaker 1>been a terrible idea again, there are plenty of laws

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:01.760
<v Speaker 1>in place about what you can say, that our outright

0:41:01.840 --> 0:41:04.759
<v Speaker 1>to lives, provalized defamation, all of these different things that

0:41:04.800 --> 0:41:07.720
<v Speaker 1>are there. The concept of the government doesn't like remember

0:41:07.719 --> 0:41:10.000
<v Speaker 1>what they did during COVID. Anyway, we'll see what happens

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.480
<v Speaker 1>in the next couple of weeks. I would suggest, if

0:41:11.480 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 1>it's going to die, I hope it does so quickly.

0:41:13.680 --> 0:41:15.960
<v Speaker 1>But if they drag it out for two weeks hoping

0:41:16.239 --> 0:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>that they can send somebody to Tahiti for free, they're

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.960
<v Speaker 1>going to have a problem for yet another two week distraction.

0:41:22.480 --> 0:41:25.239
<v Speaker 1>So the climate change and climate change in the twenty

0:41:25.280 --> 0:41:28.359
<v Speaker 1>twenty five election versus the twenty twenty two election. Now

0:41:28.400 --> 0:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>this was supposedly the climate change election. But then, of

0:41:30.960 --> 0:41:33.160
<v Speaker 1>course the decisions which have been made by this government

0:41:33.200 --> 0:41:36.240
<v Speaker 1>cost an awful lot of money. They tried to hide

0:41:36.239 --> 0:41:37.640
<v Speaker 1>that it would cost an awful lot of money, but

0:41:37.680 --> 0:41:39.799
<v Speaker 1>it has. The result is, of course, power bills have gone up,

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:41.560
<v Speaker 1>despite the fact the promise was that it was going

0:41:41.600 --> 0:41:44.160
<v Speaker 1>to be the opposite direction. But then, Linda, we get

0:41:44.200 --> 0:41:48.080
<v Speaker 1>the government who took us on a long journey for

0:41:48.120 --> 0:41:52.680
<v Speaker 1>a year and half a billion dollars on the voice vote.

0:41:53.400 --> 0:41:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Now are going to line up and try to get

0:41:55.920 --> 0:41:58.439
<v Speaker 1>a conference that the Prime Minister doesn't deem important enough

0:41:58.440 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>to attend. This year all asked to be hosted in Australia.

0:42:02.239 --> 0:42:04.440
<v Speaker 1>For China to turn around and tell us that we

0:42:04.560 --> 0:42:08.160
<v Speaker 1>need to collectively give them one and a bit trillion dollars.

0:42:08.840 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 8>Well, look, first of all, I think the cop is

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 8>a really important global process. It's really important because we

0:42:13.960 --> 0:42:18.440
<v Speaker 8>know climate change is dangerous. It's based on science. You

0:42:18.440 --> 0:42:20.440
<v Speaker 8>wouldn't think we're still having to make the case for

0:42:20.480 --> 0:42:23.239
<v Speaker 8>the importance of acting on climate change, and yet here

0:42:23.239 --> 0:42:27.200
<v Speaker 8>we are again. But more and more Australians are identifying

0:42:27.200 --> 0:42:29.600
<v Speaker 8>this as a major issue. But we also know it's

0:42:29.640 --> 0:42:32.719
<v Speaker 8>a global issue and Australia can act on our own.

0:42:32.760 --> 0:42:37.360
<v Speaker 8>We should take actions, but without a global consensus, it's really,

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:42.000
<v Speaker 8>really difficult to have a proper measurable impact on the

0:42:42.320 --> 0:42:45.080
<v Speaker 8>way that we can stop climate change. Now, I think

0:42:45.080 --> 0:42:47.560
<v Speaker 8>it's important for Australia to play our part in the

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:51.480
<v Speaker 8>global community. I think it's important from a climate change perspective,

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:54.040
<v Speaker 8>but it's also important from a security perspective. We've of

0:42:54.080 --> 0:42:57.319
<v Speaker 8>course got all these incredible countries America just a.

0:42:57.320 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 1>Decision between basically for four years, one of the biggest

0:43:00.000 --> 0:43:00.959
<v Speaker 1>players out of the game.

0:43:01.280 --> 0:43:03.120
<v Speaker 8>I just don't think that's right. I mean, I do

0:43:03.239 --> 0:43:05.839
<v Speaker 8>accept the fact that Donald Trump has said that he's

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.200
<v Speaker 8>going to rip up all their climate change commitments. But

0:43:09.320 --> 0:43:12.040
<v Speaker 8>we've seen incredible jobs actually in the US come out

0:43:12.040 --> 0:43:14.600
<v Speaker 8>of the renewable energy sector. It's gone a lot into

0:43:14.640 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 8>those Republican states. I don't think he's going to rip

0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.040
<v Speaker 8>vote because of those jobs. I don't think he's going

0:43:19.040 --> 0:43:20.480
<v Speaker 8>to rip up those jobs. And I don't think he's

0:43:20.480 --> 0:43:22.440
<v Speaker 8>going to rip up many of those projects. And when

0:43:22.480 --> 0:43:24.200
<v Speaker 8>you talk to acid owners around the world, they're not

0:43:24.200 --> 0:43:27.120
<v Speaker 8>going to get out of America too. So I think

0:43:27.160 --> 0:43:29.279
<v Speaker 8>he may well rip up the treaty. I think it

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 8>might be pretty symbolic, but I continue to think America

0:43:32.920 --> 0:43:34.799
<v Speaker 8>will be pretty on track to be honest when it

0:43:34.840 --> 0:43:37.600
<v Speaker 8>comes to acting on climate change, irrespective of whether Trump

0:43:37.640 --> 0:43:38.560
<v Speaker 8>is the president or not.

0:43:38.719 --> 0:43:41.040
<v Speaker 1>Before we talked about climate change, there was cycle on

0:43:41.120 --> 0:43:43.239
<v Speaker 1>Tracy fifty years on. We'll talk about that in a

0:43:43.239 --> 0:43:45.359
<v Speaker 1>moment with a great Matt mattor Cunningham who is in

0:43:45.480 --> 0:43:48.560
<v Speaker 1>Darwin James, Thank you, Linda, thank you Longer. Next time

0:43:48.600 --> 0:43:50.359
<v Speaker 1>I promise, but I just had to play the Taylor

0:43:50.360 --> 0:43:52.440
<v Speaker 1>Swift Trump thing. All right, quick breakback with more here

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.960
<v Speaker 1>on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching Royal Report thirty

0:43:55.080 --> 0:44:01.960
<v Speaker 1>minutes away from now. I don't need any excuse to

0:44:01.960 --> 0:44:03.680
<v Speaker 1>talk to my mate Matt Cunningham, who was of course

0:44:03.760 --> 0:44:05.719
<v Speaker 1>in Darwin. But we've got a good reason to do

0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:07.480
<v Speaker 1>it right now, which is that he is working on

0:44:08.239 --> 0:44:11.800
<v Speaker 1>a special to commemorate fifty years in Cyclone, Tracy. Geez,

0:44:11.800 --> 0:44:14.520
<v Speaker 1>how time moves on quickly. The Great Man joins us

0:44:14.560 --> 0:44:17.319
<v Speaker 1>from the most fantastic part of Australia, that being the

0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:20.400
<v Speaker 1>Northern Territory, constantly free. A little too muggy at this

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:24.160
<v Speaker 1>point of the year, but still great Man. The events

0:44:24.160 --> 0:44:26.439
<v Speaker 1>of Cyclone, Tracy, whether you lived through them or learnt

0:44:26.480 --> 0:44:31.520
<v Speaker 1>about them, they have really defined Darwin. They've defined Darwin

0:44:31.680 --> 0:44:35.160
<v Speaker 1>and everything from how things are built to the scars

0:44:35.200 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that have existed. And that's part of what you talk

0:44:37.200 --> 0:44:38.919
<v Speaker 1>about in this special doc go up in a couple

0:44:38.960 --> 0:44:39.840
<v Speaker 1>of weeks.

0:44:42.200 --> 0:44:45.279
<v Speaker 9>Absolutely, and I think you know, as someone who's lived

0:44:45.320 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 9>here for a long time, Paul, I think doing this

0:44:47.840 --> 0:44:50.880
<v Speaker 9>documentary I really got an idea about where you know,

0:44:50.920 --> 0:44:54.000
<v Speaker 9>the resilience of Darwin people has come from. I mean,

0:44:54.000 --> 0:44:56.480
<v Speaker 9>it's a pretty hard place to live for parts of

0:44:56.480 --> 0:44:57.000
<v Speaker 9>the year.

0:44:56.800 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>At the best of times.

0:44:58.239 --> 0:45:01.200
<v Speaker 9>But talking to some of these surviv and what they

0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:04.840
<v Speaker 9>went through fifty years ago, and the fact that after

0:45:04.880 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 9>they went through such a traumatic experience, they were then

0:45:07.360 --> 0:45:11.040
<v Speaker 9>able really to straight away to pack their things up,

0:45:11.239 --> 0:45:13.239
<v Speaker 9>to dust themselves off, and then to say, you know what,

0:45:13.239 --> 0:45:14.960
<v Speaker 9>we're going to rebuild this place, and we're going to

0:45:14.960 --> 0:45:17.640
<v Speaker 9>rebuild it right here and turn it into the great,

0:45:17.719 --> 0:45:19.560
<v Speaker 9>vibrant tropical city that it is today.

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.480
<v Speaker 1>Sixty six people lost their life. Eighty eight people ended

0:45:23.520 --> 0:45:25.719
<v Speaker 1>up losing their life in the Balley bombings of the

0:45:25.760 --> 0:45:29.120
<v Speaker 1>early two thousands. So that's how significant a number of people.

0:45:29.440 --> 0:45:31.120
<v Speaker 1>Give me an idea about the types of people that

0:45:31.120 --> 0:45:33.480
<v Speaker 1>you've been able to talk to, And even for those

0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.279
<v Speaker 1>who lived it fifty years ago, does this time of

0:45:37.360 --> 0:45:39.759
<v Speaker 1>the year bring it up for them regularly.

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:45.799
<v Speaker 9>Well, we're actually talking to people as part of this documentary, Paul,

0:45:45.840 --> 0:45:49.520
<v Speaker 9>who really have told us that until very recently they've

0:45:49.560 --> 0:45:53.880
<v Speaker 9>been unable to talk about the experience of Christmas nineteen.

0:45:53.520 --> 0:45:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Seventy four at all.

0:45:55.960 --> 0:45:57.959
<v Speaker 9>One of the interesting things that people have been telling

0:45:58.080 --> 0:46:01.080
<v Speaker 9>us is that there was a sound record made of

0:46:01.160 --> 0:46:04.160
<v Speaker 9>Cyclone Tracy. The bishop at the time, Bishop Ted Collins,

0:46:04.200 --> 0:46:08.960
<v Speaker 9>hung on a microphone out of the window and recorded

0:46:08.960 --> 0:46:11.600
<v Speaker 9>the sound of Cyclone Tracy. And for years it's been

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 9>played in a sound booth at the Northern Territory Museum

0:46:15.960 --> 0:46:19.840
<v Speaker 9>and at Art gallery here in Darwin. And almost without exception,

0:46:20.080 --> 0:46:22.640
<v Speaker 9>the people that we've spoken to the survivors of Cyclone

0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:25.799
<v Speaker 9>Tracy have said that they have never been able to

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:28.560
<v Speaker 9>go back into that room because it brings back such

0:46:28.719 --> 0:46:31.719
<v Speaker 9>traumatic memories. I mean, we've spoken to people. One guy

0:46:31.760 --> 0:46:34.440
<v Speaker 9>we spoke to, Anthony Bullock. He was twelve years old

0:46:34.480 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 9>at the time. He was walking down the stairs of

0:46:36.880 --> 0:46:39.320
<v Speaker 9>his elevated house with his dad to try to get

0:46:39.560 --> 0:46:43.120
<v Speaker 9>into the toilet downstairs to seek shelter when the cyclone

0:46:43.160 --> 0:46:46.160
<v Speaker 9>came and basically blew the staircase and blew him and

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<v Speaker 9>his old man ten meters off onto the lawn. There

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<v Speaker 9>are just some incredible stories of survival and some incredible

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<v Speaker 9>stories of trauma and hardship. Another bloke we spoke to,

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<v Speaker 9>Alan Haynes. He and his sister were caught up in

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<v Speaker 9>the cyclone. He was only twenty years old at the time,

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<v Speaker 9>but his parents were living in Adelaide and as you

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<v Speaker 9>would know, all communication from Darwin was cut, so for

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<v Speaker 9>seven days after Cyclone Tracy hit, his mum and dad

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<v Speaker 9>back in Adelaide had no idea whether their son and daughter,

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<v Speaker 9>who were living in Darwen were alive, and his mum

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<v Speaker 9>actually wrote him a letter, not knowing whether he was

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<v Speaker 9>alive or not, just saying I really hope that you

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<v Speaker 9>are and I love you so much. So there's some

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<v Speaker 9>really sort of heart wrenching but also heartwarming tales that

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<v Speaker 9>we've uncovered as part of this process.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, let's have a little look at what's coming your

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<v Speaker 1>way in about ten days time. Here on Scotonis time

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<v Speaker 1>stood still and sadly we're going to die.

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<v Speaker 9>Fifty years on. What's the overriding emotion for you? Cyclone

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<v Speaker 9>Tracy hit Darwin in the early hours of Christmas Day.

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<v Speaker 8>The kitchen just exploded out people, the boss houses were

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<v Speaker 8>out there in amongst it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's reminiscent of Piroshima. How could anyone survive? The roof

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<v Speaker 1>kept lifting and dropping, and the wind was just horrifying.

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<v Speaker 6>And to be the first to witness extraordinary, never before

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<v Speaker 6>seen footage.

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<v Speaker 1>Dad Ellen went out filming and they've really kept it.

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<v Speaker 1>A remarkable story.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a tale of resilience, there's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Weird bozzy men racing up into each other and giving

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<v Speaker 2>enormous having anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Christ You're alive. Cyclone Tracy fifty years on eight pm,

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<v Speaker 1>November twenty seven on Sky News.

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<v Speaker 9>Paul, that's six thirty at Darwin time, Wednesday, the twenty

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<v Speaker 9>seventh of November. It's been I have to say, a

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<v Speaker 9>real privilege to be able to work on this and

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<v Speaker 9>there are just some incredible stories. Fifty years on from

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<v Speaker 9>the day that Cyclone Tracy came and flatten Darwin.

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<v Speaker 1>You're a very good man. Everyone should have noted just then.

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<v Speaker 1>He never looked down for a note when it came

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<v Speaker 1>to names. The man knows it because he loves the

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<v Speaker 1>story and he loves that part of Australia. We love you,

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<v Speaker 1>great man. We'll see you again very soon, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks before you get to said that

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<v Speaker 1>here on Sky News at eight o'clock or six point

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<v Speaker 1>thirty in Dot See you tomorrow.