Speaker 1: From the Skying In Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Hello,
Speaker 1: and welcome to the show. You just had a big weekend,
Speaker 1: mostly in the backyard, and it've had fantastic Oh you
Speaker 1: got the head strimmer out, I've got the blower. I've
Speaker 1: got three different blowers. Why not just get it all done?
Speaker 1: And then a storm rolls in and it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 1: But also if I seem a little depleted tonight, it's
Speaker 1: because I cried so many dad years this weekend. Oh
Speaker 1: my goodness, my two little girls at a beautiful little
Speaker 1: concert put on by the music group that they work with.
Speaker 1: And shout out to Kylie and Rodger, who I know
Speaker 1: watch us each and every night they put it together.
Speaker 1: I'll show you some photos tomorrow night. But oh, when
Speaker 1: you see your kids sing and dance, unbelievable, right and
Speaker 1: just yet, just a beautiful experience. So I hope you
Speaker 1: had a wonderful weekend as well. Let's get on with
Speaker 1: the news that we need to know about here, including
Speaker 1: strength and love to everyone dealing with bushfires right now,
Speaker 1: it's only a fringe of bushfires, and they were in
Speaker 1: the sort of outskirts in Victoria. But again, as always
Speaker 1: were all disasters comen, doesn't matter whether it's the height
Speaker 1: of summer or the depths of winter. We talk about
Speaker 1: it and we lead our show because we have maximum
Speaker 1: sympathy for the people whose lives are turned upside down
Speaker 1: by this stuff. Here's the CFA talking about it today
Speaker 1: in Victoria. If you haven't prepared for summer, now is
Speaker 1: the time.
Speaker 2: To do so, because, as we saw yesterday, when fires
Speaker 2: do start and spread quite rapidly, they can do so
Speaker 2: with minimum morning in time.
Speaker 1: Now, obviously the weather's been a little while. Some places
Speaker 1: have been a little hotter than usual, most places have
Speaker 1: been nowhere near it. What are we a couple of
Speaker 1: weeks away from the formal start of summer and there
Speaker 1: are no real signs of it coming yet, So exactly
Speaker 1: when is it going to start to make the turn
Speaker 1: towards being warmer. I don't just say that in relation
Speaker 1: to bushfires. I just said in the relation to all
Speaker 1: of us packing away the long pants, pulling out the
Speaker 1: flip flops, or the slides in my case after losing
Speaker 1: a toe when I was a very little boy. Well,
Speaker 1: we get some information from the Bureau, and the Bureau
Speaker 1: has put forward a couple of little insights into what
Speaker 1: might be happening in the next little while. Well, Channel
Speaker 1: Line this one up, so I'm taking from their information
Speaker 1: here is that the good news is that the temperatures
Speaker 1: are expected to be nice and warm. The bad though,
Speaker 1: is there'll be plenty of rain. This is what we
Speaker 1: know about the summer forecast. Now much of the country,
Speaker 1: including the entire East Coast, Victoria's South Coast, Tasmania, the
Speaker 1: West Coast and Darwin surround, so pretty much all of
Speaker 1: Australia have a greater than seventy percent chance of hitting
Speaker 1: above median maximum temperatures. Now, that does not mean it's
Speaker 1: going to be any fifty degrees everywhere. It just means
Speaker 1: it's going to be a little warmer. When it is
Speaker 1: particularly warmer, I have a look at the map here.
Speaker 1: The rhetoric gets the more likely it is that you're
Speaker 1: going to be above average. Now, remember median is not
Speaker 1: the same as average. Median is literally the number between
Speaker 1: the coldest day and the hottest day, and the median
Speaker 1: being that middle number. Whether the middle number is going
Speaker 1: to be higher or grossly higher. Now, obviously the rhetoric
Speaker 1: gets the greater the chances of that median number being
Speaker 1: warmer than it was last summer. Another one here though,
Speaker 1: which is about fifty percent. There's actually less than fifty
Speaker 1: percent chance of maximums hitting most of the country. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's going to be warm, but don't expect super warm
Speaker 1: for super long. We'll get an official indication about the
Speaker 1: summer forecast in a couple of weeks time, but I
Speaker 1: just wanted to give you a little idea. And also
Speaker 1: when it comes to rain, you should know that rainfall
Speaker 1: is sixty to eighty percent likely. It's said to be
Speaker 1: above average for much of Eastern Australia, particularly in and
Speaker 1: around Sydney, Central Coast, South Coast and maybe into the
Speaker 1: mid North and North Coast there. But basically you can
Speaker 1: see on the map there that well, the darker the green,
Speaker 1: the more chance of rain. Surprise, surprise, the closer you
Speaker 1: get towards the equator, it is going to be a
Speaker 1: wet summer, so warmth is on its way. It will
Speaker 1: not be a scorching summer. There will be rain like
Speaker 1: it was a few years ago. But as I mentioned before,
Speaker 1: while I took great fun cleaning up the yard this weekend,
Speaker 1: police do so when it comes to your gutters because
Speaker 1: we know Ember attack, all the rest of it. Do
Speaker 1: everything you can to make your joint safe so that
Speaker 1: on the off chance something crazy happens, your house will
Speaker 1: not be one we'll be talking about in the weeks
Speaker 1: and months to come. But let's get to politics, which
Speaker 1: is always red hot. Prime Minister is overseas again. This
Speaker 1: time he's at the APEC summit. The ye well and'
Speaker 1: do you like that? Oh that's quite funny. Sorry, where
Speaker 1: they were wearing the crazy shirts. They just had a
Speaker 1: crazy scarf this time. As you know, the Prime Minister
Speaker 1: gave an interview Andrew Clonell today where he kind of
Speaker 1: dropped himself in it. The election will be at the
Speaker 1: very last minute, which would be May of next year.
Speaker 3: We have a budget scheduled for March and the election
Speaker 3: will be in May. The speculation may well, that's when
Speaker 3: it's due. It could be beforehand, but that will be
Speaker 3: a matter for me to make in conjunction with my
Speaker 3: cabinet colleagues.
Speaker 1: Geez, you'd love to play poker with display, wouldn't he.
Speaker 1: I'd love to even play uno with him? Or oh May,
Speaker 1: oh no, no, no, not May not May. But this Prime
Speaker 1: Minister is in a world of trouble. Now, there's lots
Speaker 1: of ways to look at it. You can look at
Speaker 1: his approval rating, which is lower than it was when he,
Speaker 1: of course took over, and it is now beneath where
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton is. Right now, Australia seems like on multiple
Speaker 1: poles they're ready to make a change after just three
Speaker 1: years of this government. But just as it was in
Speaker 1: the United States when people were surprised by the margin
Speaker 1: by which Donald Trump was able to win, it's not
Speaker 1: really a surprise that the most unpopular vice president lost
Speaker 1: in a condition where seventy five percent of people said
Speaker 1: the country was headed in the wrong direction. Now Australia
Speaker 1: is not in that dramatic position, but the majority of
Speaker 1: Australians think the joint is headed in the wrong direction.
Speaker 1: Two poles, the Morgan pole and the Essential pole, both
Speaker 1: show more than fifty percent, almost sixty percent in the
Speaker 1: Morgan pole. Soy, we're headed in the wrong direction or
Speaker 1: we're headed on the wrong track. But guess what number
Speaker 1: they have exactly the same, not even a third of
Speaker 1: the country, just thirty percent think that we are headed
Speaker 1: in the right direction. Now, a government wanting to go
Speaker 1: for reelection is in an awful position when it is
Speaker 1: fighting with less than a third of people behind them
Speaker 1: going into that election. And it really doesn't matter what
Speaker 1: happens between now and May. In many ways, things may
Speaker 1: be starting to be baked in now the Prime minister,
Speaker 1: who we know is going to hold on to Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 1: More on that in a second, But he was hardly
Speaker 1: trying to move away from people who were either proven
Speaker 1: losers or are assumed to be losers in a wave
Speaker 1: of change that is making its way around the world.
Speaker 1: Lots of cuddles for Joe Biden and even Justin Trudeau.
Speaker 1: Anyone paying attention to Canadian politics knows how unpopular he
Speaker 1: is at the moment. But big cuddles. Let's all pretend
Speaker 1: nothing's changed. Let's all pretend the politics of four years
Speaker 1: ago is the same politics as today. And we know
Speaker 1: that this prime minister's political fortunes well, they completely took
Speaker 1: a tumble when he decided to spend the best part
Speaker 1: of half a billion dollars on the Voice campaign, where
Speaker 1: he was distracted for an entire year trying to earn
Speaker 1: a spot in history and to buff up his Wikipedia page.
Speaker 1: But we all know what this country said and it
Speaker 1: was sixty percent. No, he has never recovered since. And
Speaker 1: just give you an idea about again the priorities of
Speaker 1: a bloke who I don't think is either match fit
Speaker 1: for an election or is making his case that he
Speaker 1: has either learnt the lessons of the failure of his
Speaker 1: term in office or try to meet the people where
Speaker 1: they are. Australia looks like we are set for another distraction.
Speaker 1: The federal government is going to work in tandem with
Speaker 1: the South Australian government to try to bid for a
Speaker 1: United Nations climate conference, the same ones that are playing
Speaker 1: out right now on the other side of the world.
Speaker 1: The suggestion is that Adelaide would be the place where
Speaker 1: they would like it to be. Turkey is trying to bid,
Speaker 1: just like it's for the Olympics, but just like a
Speaker 1: Sydney denied Istanbul all those years ago the two thousand
Speaker 1: Olympic Games. The hope would be that we will somehow
Speaker 1: beat Turkey for the chance to invite a collection of
Speaker 1: Turkeys to Australia Adelaide, specifically to talk about how terrible
Speaker 1: the planet is now. Of course, Australia is one percent
Speaker 1: of global emissions, yet according to the Global conferences which
Speaker 1: have taken place. This government has signed us up to
Speaker 1: paying millions of dollars to developing countries, Developing countries like China.
Speaker 1: China alone thirty three percent of global emissions. China, of course,
Speaker 1: had their handout last week saying that they deserve part
Speaker 1: of one point eight t for trillion dollars from the
Speaker 1: Western world advanced countries, polluting countries like Australia while they
Speaker 1: pollute far more for far longer, and even under the
Speaker 1: Paris Agreement, which now is worthless because we know Trump
Speaker 1: will tear it up as he did between his time
Speaker 1: in office last time, he will do it again for
Speaker 1: the next four years. That China doesn't have to do
Speaker 1: anything about its pollution until twenty thirty. Remember, they can
Speaker 1: continue at thirty three percent of global emissions. They can
Speaker 1: make it fifty percent if they want, and it's only
Speaker 1: at that March that they will be marked against before
Speaker 1: they have to start moving things down. Oh yeah, and
Speaker 1: twenty fifty doesn't apply to them because they're a developing country.
Speaker 1: You know, with the space station and plans to set
Speaker 1: up a moon base, they are able to have a
Speaker 1: twenty sixty net zero target, not a twenty fifty like
Speaker 1: countries like Australia, the United States, the UK, New Zealand
Speaker 1: and Canada have to look at So what does it
Speaker 1: tell you about the priorities of this government that spent
Speaker 1: a year distracting us with the issues to do with
Speaker 1: the voice that they are planning and the lead up
Speaker 1: to the next election, to be distracting us again when
Speaker 1: it comes to climate change and suggesting that Australia should
Speaker 1: be hosting a global conference, a global conference that, by
Speaker 1: the way, the Prime Minister didn't attend this year and
Speaker 1: didn't attend last year. So if it's a conference that's
Speaker 1: so important that we should host it, could somebody explain
Speaker 1: what the Prime Minister hasn't been to the last two
Speaker 1: of three that have happened on his watch. It's all
Speaker 1: about priorities and we know this bloke is nowhere near
Speaker 1: where Middle Australia is. Which brings us to the number
Speaker 1: one issue, that of course is always cost of living,
Speaker 1: has been for the best part of three years. For
Speaker 1: those who remember the ups and downs of the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two election campaign that brought this government to power,
Speaker 1: it was all about cost of living. Remember the promise
Speaker 1: that a labor government would lower the cost of living.
Speaker 1: This was their promise the best part of three years ago,
Speaker 1: and of course they have failed on every measure. Everything
Speaker 1: in the supermarket costs more than before they came to office.
Speaker 1: Your power bills are worth way more, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that they promised that it would be fixed by now
Speaker 1: and we'd be making our way towards two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy five dollars off, not not at one off, totally
Speaker 1: off your power bills. The cost of insurance and petrol
Speaker 1: has gone up by huge amounts since they came to power,
Speaker 1: not to mention twelve interest rate rises which had made
Speaker 1: it so possible for people to hold on to properties,
Speaker 1: and they've had to cut back in any number of areas.
Speaker 1: Don't forget this is also the government while all of
Speaker 1: that was happening, decided to increase taxes on ten million people.
Speaker 1: Before they came to power, you could get an automatic
Speaker 1: fifteen hundred dollars tax return, and more than thirty five
Speaker 1: percent of Australians rely upon their tax return to be
Speaker 1: able to pay some of the big bills that they
Speaker 1: have accrued in the previous year. Remember fifteen hundred dollars
Speaker 1: gone this government made that decision. But apparently the Labor
Speaker 1: Party has worked out who to blame for everything that
Speaker 1: has gone wrong on their watch despite promising for everything
Speaker 1: to get better on their watch. Peter Dutton, you may
Speaker 1: well have heard today that again there is about to
Speaker 1: be a new scare campaign auga booga music, black and
Speaker 1: white photos with the suggestion that you'll be worse off
Speaker 1: under Dutton. Now this is their sort of cleverer version
Speaker 1: of it won't be easy under our easy, but the
Speaker 1: reality was that that claim was correct in twenty twenty two,
Speaker 1: and then pretending that if you vote for Dutton then
Speaker 1: a whole series of things are going to increase. While supermarkets, food,
Speaker 1: power bills, cars, petrol, insurance and paying off a house
Speaker 1: or renting one is way more than it was since
Speaker 1: they came to power, then this is a pretty pretty
Speaker 1: wild swing they're going to take while simultaneously distracting you
Speaker 1: that despite the fact that climate change is not the
Speaker 1: top order political issue in the most recent American election, remember,
Speaker 1: less than three percent of people said that it was
Speaker 1: their number one issue. I know that plenty of people
Speaker 1: will say that it should always remain the top issue,
Speaker 1: but it just isn't. It just isn't for people right now,
Speaker 1: especially when we're one percent of the world's problem. China's
Speaker 1: thirty three percent of the world's problem. And their solution is, oh,
Speaker 1: weish you have a big talk fest in this country
Speaker 1: that the Prime Minister has deemed not important enough to
Speaker 1: attend this year or last year he went the year before,
Speaker 1: because of course he wasn't Scott Morrison. But there is
Speaker 1: also a wiyh that people are already starting to explain
Speaker 1: the economy that should be better by now about why
Speaker 1: it isn't and if it gets worse, it's definitely not
Speaker 1: their responsibility. Multiple news organizations this week have been running
Speaker 1: the scare campaign that Donald Trump is the reason why
Speaker 1: your home loan, which has gone up by thousands of
Speaker 1: dollars twelve interrastraight rises could still stay high, the reason
Speaker 1: that everything in the shops will still stay high. It's
Speaker 1: all going to be Trump's fault. What a convenient little excuse. Now,
Speaker 1: remember this government has also said that war in the
Speaker 1: Middle East was a reason why inflation was high, but
Speaker 1: of course war in the Middle East, if that was
Speaker 1: the case, would explain why America's inflation is lower than ours,
Speaker 1: the UK's is lower than ours. No, of course not.
Speaker 1: It's all just about changing the subject. This government on
Speaker 1: every front, every time finds someone else to blame. There
Speaker 1: is a point in time when the Australian public will
Speaker 1: just not buy it. And while the big caveat that
Speaker 1: I always say about this not being a one term
Speaker 1: government is how many of the teals will hold on
Speaker 1: to their seats If this wasn't nor more election than yeah,
Speaker 1: you probably would be talking about a one term government.
Speaker 1: The number one issue Australians believe this government has not
Speaker 1: done enough action on the press Gallery doesn't want to
Speaker 1: talk about their decision to increase taxes by fifteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars on ten million workers. They think that if there's
Speaker 1: one interest rate reduction somehow that will make you forget
Speaker 1: about the twelve ones that went up before one comes
Speaker 1: ever so slightly down. Just like the American population didn't
Speaker 1: care when they were being told that everything is awesome
Speaker 1: because there is a number coming out of Washington, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure that people are going to feel the same.
Speaker 1: Are not going to feel any different in this country
Speaker 1: when they keep being told by people in Canberra that
Speaker 1: everything is awesome and everything is better. But speaking of
Speaker 1: miss priorities, Parliament's back this week and guess what they're
Speaker 1: going to be talking about as Parliament returns for the
Speaker 1: next two weeks, the final two weeks of the years.
Speaker 1: She's going to be good to be aup Pont logician.
Speaker 1: Isn't it three pay rises that they have got during
Speaker 1: this term of parliament and their work effectively ends before
Speaker 1: December starts. Now, last time Parliament was there and they
Speaker 1: were trying to distract from the upgrade elbow scandal, which
Speaker 1: still hurts the Prime Minister even though he flies on
Speaker 1: one of two brand new private jets, but of course
Speaker 1: they were ordered under the previous government, so they couldn't
Speaker 1: possibly cancel. It was that they passed a law to
Speaker 1: guarantee that the NBN would never be sold. It was
Speaker 1: never for sale, no one was planning to buy it.
Speaker 1: But of course they turned around and this was a
Speaker 1: way of distracting everyone for twenty four hours. And guess what,
Speaker 1: you've even forgotten the distraction, which means that distraction wasn't
Speaker 1: particularly effective. It just was their attempt to not talk
Speaker 1: about upgrade albow in question time for a couple of days. Well,
Speaker 1: still in the communications field. The big priority for the
Speaker 1: next two weeks is not going to be doing anything
Speaker 1: about cost of living, it said, it's going to be
Speaker 1: about censoring the Internet. Now, you know, I've been banging
Speaker 1: on about this for the best part now a couple
Speaker 1: of years, because you know what the consequences of this
Speaker 1: are the federal government deciding what is or isn't allowed
Speaker 1: for you to be able to post on social media,
Speaker 1: and then effectively the pester power of these social media
Speaker 1: companies being fined for what the government believes to be
Speaker 1: misinformation as defined by far left wing fact checkers, as
Speaker 1: policed by an e Safety commissioner who of course was
Speaker 1: trying to tell Elon Musk that videos that were seen
Speaker 1: around the world could not be seen in Australia. This
Speaker 1: is again a distraction. You see what I love here
Speaker 1: is that the federal government that's going to turn around
Speaker 1: and say that the next election could be lost because
Speaker 1: of lies on the internet was completely fine when those
Speaker 1: lies were being spread by the Labor Party many years ago.
Speaker 1: Of course, when it was about the sale of Medicare,
Speaker 1: or the lies in the Queensland election which were all
Speaker 1: about abortion, many ads about those paid for by political
Speaker 1: parties know what they want is for you not to
Speaker 1: be able to see comments like this. They want to
Speaker 1: deny you the capacity to take a link from sky
Speaker 1: news dot com. That are you to post it on
Speaker 1: your Facebook page, to put it out on x or
Speaker 1: to amplify it in whatever social media platform that you
Speaker 1: are because despite the fact that, as always I show
Speaker 1: you the data and then we put our opinion on
Speaker 1: top of the data, they won't care because they'll find
Speaker 1: somebody else to find their homework, and a completely separate
Speaker 1: set of data will somehow disprove everything that I have
Speaker 1: used as the data to make my points, which are
Speaker 1: often wild right wing think tanks like the Australian Bureau
Speaker 1: of Statistics. It's why I try to quote government figures
Speaker 1: while pointing out the lies that the politicians in the
Speaker 1: government talk about. Well, this thing was pulled towards the
Speaker 1: end of last year because the first version of it,
Speaker 1: well it's stunk. Apparently the second version stinks less. But
Speaker 1: everyone who are posed it the first time now opposes
Speaker 1: it the second time. There will be a vote on
Speaker 1: it in the Senate in the next two weeks. Now,
Speaker 1: as it seems there is a great want to censor
Speaker 1: the Internet. And I've said many times, don't fall for
Speaker 1: this misinformation tag. It's about censoring the Internet, and I'm
Speaker 1: pleased the good people who make the cartoons for Paul
Speaker 1: Enhansen use that exact term in this week's ripper of
Speaker 1: a cartoon.
Speaker 4: You see Adam ask government to make control over the
Speaker 4: mainstream media for years. But oh no, everybody at start
Speaker 4: making podcasts and youtubes and thinking for themselves. Banabo. We're
Speaker 4: just the Australian government. How were supposed to sensor the
Speaker 4: entire Internet? It's easy, Adam, meet Julie the e Safety Commissioner.
Speaker 1: Blucked delete Julie, good news.
Speaker 4: I'm juilly teening debate and rushing through the Misinformation Bill
Speaker 4: under everyone's nose. This congratulations. We're giving you all the
Speaker 4: powers of the government and more said, to the Internet
Speaker 4: and label everything we don't like it's misinformation. Got my
Speaker 4: pretty go go.
Speaker 1: It's a ripper Jay the full two minutes. But obviously
Speaker 1: we've got other things to get to. I'll make sure
Speaker 1: I post it on our Facebook page while we have
Speaker 1: the time, or you can go and find it for
Speaker 1: yourself on YouTube, which is of course Pullen Hanson's Please explain, Well,
Speaker 1: it all comes down to the Senate. The Senate has
Speaker 1: had its debate, had its inquiry, and now it's time
Speaker 1: to have its vote. So let's get into the mats
Speaker 1: here because in the end, that's all it's going to matter.
Speaker 1: They need thirty nine votes to censor the Internet. If
Speaker 1: all of the Labor Party, including the President of the
Speaker 1: Senate plus the Greens vote, which they will, that's thirty six.
Speaker 1: They need thirty nine. There are five left wing cross
Speaker 1: bench votes, which means if all of them voted with
Speaker 1: the government, this thing would pass, and pass pretty easily.
Speaker 1: But I've got some good news for you. You can
Speaker 1: start to strike some numbers off that number five. David Pocock, no,
Speaker 1: Tammy Tyrell, no Fatima Payman, no, Jackie Lamby no. So
Speaker 1: that would of course mean that there are four of
Speaker 1: the five that are gone, meaning this thing's dead. Right. Well,
Speaker 1: there is a different way this could happen Lydia Thorpe
Speaker 1: of course still up for grabs. We'll find out what
Speaker 1: she has to say. If she says no, then this
Speaker 1: thing is absolutely dead on arrival. But if she is
Speaker 1: able to vote with the Greens, and that gets them
Speaker 1: and the Labour Party to thirty seven? They need two more.
Speaker 1: So where are the smokies? David Van is the former
Speaker 1: Liberal senator who is now an independent senator. There is
Speaker 1: no expectation of him being re elected. What could be
Speaker 1: offered in exchange for his vote? And I don't suggest
Speaker 1: that in a corrupt fashion. I just mean politicians always
Speaker 1: want one thing, so they do a deal over here
Speaker 1: to do a deal over there. So is there a
Speaker 1: scenario where David Van and Lydia Thorpe get together to
Speaker 1: take this thing to thirty eight votes? If that's the case,
Speaker 1: that is technically a tie in the Senate. That is
Speaker 1: when if thirty eight years thirty eight, No, what ends
Speaker 1: up happening is that the President of the Senate casts
Speaker 1: a casting vote. But because they are already counted the
Speaker 1: overall number of labor people, this thing would still fall short.
Speaker 1: Remember they need thirty nine votes to pass. Now. Again,
Speaker 1: I don't know what David Van's planning to do, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying, if Thorpe and Van it's only thirty eight,
Speaker 1: meaning where could the final vote come from. Well, it's
Speaker 1: not going to come from a one nation senator. There's
Speaker 1: two of them. It's not going to come from Ralph Babbott,
Speaker 1: the United Australian Party senator, and it's not going to
Speaker 1: come from gered Rennick, who of course has gone out
Speaker 1: on his own with a big Australian Freedom Party that
Speaker 1: he's trying to launch at the moment. Sorry, I know
Speaker 1: that's not the actual name, but you get my point.
Speaker 1: So at this moment, if everyone holds the line and
Speaker 1: even Lydia Thorpe falls in, even if a former ex
Speaker 1: Liberal is somehow able to join, then this thing will die.
Speaker 1: The government will not be able to censor the Internet.
Speaker 1: But that's me just doing the numbers on the back
Speaker 1: of the napkin. Politics has a very strange way of
Speaker 1: producing some surprise results every now and then, Wait, watch
Speaker 1: and sea. But it should be if all things are
Speaker 1: headed in the right direction, a good decision, which is
Speaker 1: that freedom of speech will continue in this country. Your
Speaker 1: capacity to tell your friends about something interesting that you
Speaker 1: read or watch or heard will be unimpeded. But watch
Speaker 1: this space. It's going to be a very interesting week.
Speaker 1: Does Labor take the vote and lose quickly or do
Speaker 1: they try to wait until the very end of the
Speaker 1: second week, after dark, when everyone's headed for the doors
Speaker 1: to find some mystery way of being able to get
Speaker 1: to their magic number of thirty nine. Don't say you
Speaker 1: weren't warned. One thing I've talked about for ten years
Speaker 1: when it comes to renewable energy is that I don't
Speaker 1: have a problem with renewable energy. My problem is with
Speaker 1: the cost of the transition to renewable energy. Great doco
Speaker 1: about this, of course, coming up on Tuesday with the
Speaker 1: Chris Yuleman. Make sure that you watch it eight o'clock.
Speaker 1: That's going to be mussed stuff. Remember a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago when Chris Kennedy did that excellent documentary about
Speaker 1: nuclear power. Well, this one is even better. It is
Speaker 1: a spectacular piece of work. I've seen a couple of
Speaker 1: rough cuts and it is an absolute belter. So make
Speaker 1: sure that you're there at eight o'clock and we'll talk
Speaker 1: about it straight after at nine o'clock astraight in eastern
Speaker 1: daylight time. But Chris Bowen, of course, is obsessed, obsessed
Speaker 1: with trying to make the change from the system that
Speaker 1: worked to the one that might work. Fingers crossed. But
Speaker 1: the cost of the transition is hundreds of billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Best case scenario is I think the CSO said about
Speaker 1: half a trillion dollars. Reality is, there's some new numbers
Speaker 1: popping up today, saying it could be closer to six
Speaker 1: hundred and forty two billion dollars, not one hundred and
Speaker 1: twenty two billion dollars as the government was claiming way
Speaker 1: back when the Prime Minister says that all of this
Speaker 1: is fine because we'll be a renewable energy superpower because
Speaker 1: we might be able to send some solar power to Singapore.
Speaker 1: But according to the model, replacing the predominantly coal fire
Speaker 1: power system with mainly solar and wind would set Australia
Speaker 1: back at least six hundred and forty two billion dollars
Speaker 1: labor promised, along with two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 1: off your energy bills. One hundred and twenty two billion dollars.
Speaker 1: More than five hundred billion dollar black hole is due
Speaker 1: to the exclusion of fixed or variable operating expenses, fuel
Speaker 1: and more than sixty billion dollars worth of transmission projects,
Speaker 1: as well as the use of an accounting treatment called
Speaker 1: net present value rather than actual prices, meaning the way
Speaker 1: they got the lowest number was by like the old
Speaker 1: way used to find sbs on your television. They were
Speaker 1: leaning really out on one side with a coat hanger.
Speaker 1: Hopefully just one second, one second, let's see is arp
Speaker 1: A winning. But surprise, surprise, the reality is not going
Speaker 1: to be what they promised. Instead, it's going to be
Speaker 1: exactly what you have experienced over the past three years,
Speaker 1: which is bills that keep going up and up and up.
Speaker 1: Why because the stuff has to be built, it will
Speaker 1: either be paid for by us the taxpayer. There's tens
Speaker 1: of billions. I would suggest we're on our way towards
Speaker 1: over one hundred billion dollars in off budget measures, which
Speaker 1: means we're paying for it. We're still borrowing money, but
Speaker 1: for some reason they don't have to report it, because
Speaker 1: that's a lovely little trick they're able to play. Or
Speaker 1: of course, it is private companies that do it, which
Speaker 1: means you the consumer. Now, of course, green energy advocates
Speaker 1: will tell you, sure, okay, there's a big expense about
Speaker 1: setting it all up, but once it's set up, everything's cheaper. Sure,
Speaker 1: but that logic's the same for everything. Once you've paid
Speaker 1: off your home, look at all that extra money that
Speaker 1: you're going to have. We're not paying a home loan.
Speaker 1: But you know how long and how arduous and how
Speaker 1: difficult and how many variables they are over the twenty
Speaker 1: to thirty years of paying off a home loan. This
Speaker 1: was Ted O'Brien, the opposition's energy spokesperson on outsiders this morning.
Speaker 5: We've seen under the Albanesi government the polar opposite. Australians
Speaker 5: are now paying among the highest prices in the world.
Speaker 5: Emissions have been going up since Labor came to office,
Speaker 5: and the market operator is saying the lights might go out.
Speaker 1: And just by the way, just the double standard stuff.
Speaker 1: Bromwin Bishop has of course educated us about years and
Speaker 1: years about one rule for them, one rule for everybody else.
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton was coppying it from client protesters because he
Speaker 1: was not planning to announce the coalition's twenty thirty target
Speaker 1: going into this election. Little only twenty thirty five target
Speaker 1: going into this election, because he says all of that's
Speaker 1: meaningless because it's just about getting a net zero and
Speaker 1: doing it by twenty fifty. Hence why nuclear energy would
Speaker 1: be part of that mix and by twenty fifty we
Speaker 1: will be able to hit that goal. At the time,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister said this when Peter Dutton would not
Speaker 1: tell us his twenty thirty or twenty thirty five targets.
Speaker 3: What Peter Dutton is saying is that he won't have
Speaker 3: a twenty thirty target.
Speaker 1: This is an extraordinary.
Speaker 3: Failure of leadership from Peter Dutton at chows. He's not
Speaker 3: up to the job of being the alternative prime minister
Speaker 3: of this country.
Speaker 1: Well well, well again, big stuff out of this interview
Speaker 1: today with Andrew Clannell asking all the right questions of
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, because the Prime Minister was leaking to
Speaker 1: the media today or his office was saying off to
Speaker 1: the media, look, we may not tell you what we're
Speaker 1: going to do with twenty thirty five before the election. Now,
Speaker 1: of course they say it's because it's complicated and we
Speaker 1: need to model things. No, the reality is if they
Speaker 1: hit a number, remember the Teals and the Greens, they
Speaker 1: wanted to be the best part of seventy five percent
Speaker 1: of emissions reductions by twenty thirty five. If it's a
Speaker 1: minority government, that's the number they will have to adhere to.
Speaker 1: Because remember the genius playing four hs of climate politics
Speaker 1: in this country passed a law about a twenty thirty
Speaker 1: target meaning that law would therefore be amended by a
Speaker 1: minority government driven by the Greens and the Teals for
Speaker 1: twenty thirty five. But they'll pretend that they don't have
Speaker 1: to tell you what that number is until after the election.
Speaker 1: When Peter Dutton had that position, it was a disgrace
Speaker 1: when it's easy doing it well, of course, it's completely okay,
Speaker 1: what's the term we have for it? When the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister says one thing and then says the exact Oh,
Speaker 1: that's right, all right. A bit about Kevin Rudd in DC.
Speaker 1: The Prime Minister said today that there will be no change,
Speaker 1: which of course will be a great relief to the
Speaker 1: current ambassador and the man who of course was originally
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister to Albo's deputy prime Minister way back
Speaker 1: when when he of course was fighting Tories but actually
Speaker 1: really fighting Julia Gillard.
Speaker 6: Do you think he'll be there for another year or more.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's Australia's ambassador to Washington and he's doing a
Speaker 3: very important job.
Speaker 6: How do we get to this point? I guess with
Speaker 6: Donald Trump saying we're going to have a perfect friendship,
Speaker 6: and then a week later one of his right hand
Speaker 6: men is tweeting this hour Glass about saying Kevin Rudd's
Speaker 6: running out of time.
Speaker 3: We had a comment on someone who I don't know
Speaker 3: and have never had a discussion with. The discussion I
Speaker 3: had with President Trump was very constructive and very positive.
Speaker 6: And didn't mention Kevin.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 1: No, Yeah, the year no name staff is a guy
Speaker 1: called Dan Scavino who has been by his side since
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, all the way through Unbroken, and he has
Speaker 1: just been named a special advisor to the President. So
Speaker 1: let's not pretend that this is some sort of figure
Speaker 1: that can be ignored. But still, the lefty drums have
Speaker 1: been beating for some time that to dare show the
Speaker 1: old comments of the former prime minister now ambassador is
Speaker 1: apparently some sort of news corp conspiracy, despite the fact
Speaker 1: that of course the four D chess there would be
Speaker 1: let's get him out of the job so he can
Speaker 1: come back to call for a Royal commission into the business. Okay. Interestingly, though,
Speaker 1: Anthony Abernei has apparently had a conversation with Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, he has made no effort during
Speaker 1: that conversation to actually say, Hey, all this tariff stuff
Speaker 1: that you're talking about will that apply to us. Now,
Speaker 1: generally speaking, this stuff doesn't apply to us. The tariff
Speaker 1: policy is all about countries specifically like China, or maybe
Speaker 1: North American countries or Central American countries, places like Mexico. Again,
Speaker 1: Albo thought that in all of the things to bring
Speaker 1: up the potential trade situation. But then again, maybe he
Speaker 1: wants the trade situation because then they can blame their
Speaker 1: economy on Donald Trump.
Speaker 6: Scott Morrison and Malcolm Turnbull were able to talk Donald
Speaker 6: Trump out of imposing tariffs on Australia. Do you think
Speaker 6: you'll be able to do the same.
Speaker 3: Well, I, of course will always stand up for Australia's interests,
Speaker 3: And when I spoke with President Trump, I pointed out,
Speaker 3: as I'm sure they did, that the United States has
Speaker 3: enjoyed a trade surplus with Australia since Truman was president,
Speaker 3: so for a long period of time. So the trade
Speaker 3: between Australia and the United States is in both of
Speaker 3: our nations interests.
Speaker 1: I love when he's just quickly looked at Google and
Speaker 1: found Truman in a day, Morman. I always knew that.
Speaker 1: I always knew that. Okay. As for Trump in the
Speaker 1: day that he had today, he turned up to the
Speaker 1: UFC same building that he had his apparently faithful, horrible,
Speaker 1: disastrous rally Madison Square Garden, and they didn't boo him.
Speaker 1: In fact, they love forty seven. It's of the president. Yes,
Speaker 1: oh my god. But despite the fact that he's winning, winning, winning, fighting, fighting, fighting,
Speaker 1: and getting plenty of people to cheer him along the
Speaker 1: way in lefty Land, Oh, let's still hurting.
Speaker 3: We've seen this before. Historically, Adolf Hitler purged the Nazi
Speaker 3: Party of Nazis.
Speaker 7: That he felt had too much power and become political enemies.
Speaker 1: Now the Touch has gone lurching back to the right.
Speaker 1: I hope it's not going as far right as that
Speaker 1: which happened in Germany in the nineteen thirties. The Nazi
Speaker 1: thing didn't work, You don't. They'll keep rolling on. And
Speaker 1: remember when the election was apparently gonna be decided by
Speaker 1: Tyler Swift getting involved. Well, some Cliver bugger with access
Speaker 1: to a computer has been able to use a little
Speaker 1: bit of AI to turn Taylor Swift and Trump will
Speaker 1: in the opposite direction. Taylor, Ed's done, just started jack in.
Speaker 1: I know that Joe and I used to be in.
Speaker 1: I'm the losing side you should have voted more like
Speaker 1: Patrick's wife, shad up brittany more more more, more, more
Speaker 1: more more she feel sale falling for the blatant life.
Speaker 1: Come a let track you with shit bouring out as
Speaker 1: abby the present and you'll be a saint. It's a
Speaker 1: jud this thing. Oh if that's the Taylor Swift song
Speaker 1: that I have to hear in my house for the
Speaker 1: next year or so, I'll be fine. The rest of
Speaker 1: them kind of the same. What a surprise. She always
Speaker 1: makes terrible choices. Quick break back with more here on
Speaker 1: Paul Murray Live. Lots to talk about with a great
Speaker 1: and cracker Jack tannel, including their prediction for the week
Speaker 1: ahead and then cyclone Tracy fifty years on. We'll go
Speaker 1: to darn with more in a second. Thanks very much
Speaker 1: for watching. Let's get straight into it right now with
Speaker 1: James Ashby, who of course did his best at the
Speaker 1: Queen's Land election, but of course continues all day every
Speaker 1: day working with Paul and Hanson there in the One
Speaker 1: Nation office, and his big brain was behind that excellent
Speaker 1: cartoon of which I was able to borrow the episode
Speaker 1: slightly a few seconds of lot. Well done, mate, I
Speaker 1: loved it. You and the step Mates team and Linda Scott.
Speaker 1: Of course, she's free of all responsibilities, so she can
Speaker 1: say whatever she wants, but it'll always be in service
Speaker 1: of the Labor Party. Now let's get to the scare
Speaker 1: campaign of all scare campaigns, which begins before the election,
Speaker 1: which definitely won't be in May, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: he said that it in May. Wow, what a card player.
Speaker 1: Here's part of this scare campaigning about Peter Dutton.
Speaker 6: The average household will be around seven six hundred dollars
Speaker 6: worse off under Dune.
Speaker 1: Dunton doesn't add up for working people. You'll be worse
Speaker 1: off underdone, James. We are worse off under ALBERNISI is
Speaker 1: anyone going to buy that? Sure? Ah?
Speaker 2: Well, sadly they do, Paul. This is where the negative
Speaker 2: advertising look. It doesn't work on people who watch this program.
Speaker 2: Clearly they're more engaged and they understand what's going on
Speaker 2: behind the scenes and in day to day politics.
Speaker 1: But for the average.
Speaker 2: Person who is more worried about paying off their mortgage
Speaker 2: or trying to get a rental at an affordable price
Speaker 2: which doesn't leave them homeless, they're not tuned into.
Speaker 1: The media like you and I are.
Speaker 2: Can I also just point out when you are not
Speaker 2: within an election period, it is half the price, if
Speaker 2: not a third of the price to do advertising of
Speaker 2: this nature. So when you enter an election cycle they've
Speaker 2: got a special rate car for the advertising of political content,
Speaker 2: but outside of that, it's a third of the price.
Speaker 2: So they are just eating away, just chipping away bit
Speaker 2: by bit by bit at the coalition here. If anything,
Speaker 2: what this advertising will probably do is favor minor parties
Speaker 2: one nation because the public who will be watching this
Speaker 2: won't necessarily want to vote for Labor either, and they go, well, listen,
Speaker 2: we'll just place out bet with one nation. So that's
Speaker 2: what's happening behind the scenes. And yes, it does work,
Speaker 2: whether you and I like it or not.
Speaker 1: Well, and this is why you know, you have to
Speaker 1: be dexterous enough to be able to respond to it.
Speaker 1: So we'll see what the Liberal Party does in the
Speaker 1: next thing. Well, Linda, does this show a proactive Labor
Speaker 1: party that's not going to have its issues defined? They
Speaker 1: will define the issues. No.
Speaker 8: I just think it shows that they're trying to get
Speaker 8: some truthful messages out there. I mean, we talked about
Speaker 8: the fact that Peter Dutton when he was the Health minister,
Speaker 8: tried to introduce a Medicare co payment. He's now got
Speaker 8: nuclear power on the cards. You know, clearly csiro is recommended.
Speaker 8: It's fifty. He sent more expensive than wind and renewable
Speaker 8: energy sources. So he's got all sorts of very expensive
Speaker 8: propositions on the table, but has also promised to go
Speaker 8: to the election with one hundred billion dollars with the cuts,
Speaker 8: but not saying where they're going to come from. Paul, So,
Speaker 8: I think we just need some honesty. The Australian people
Speaker 8: expect to know the details of the policy that the
Speaker 8: coalition is going to take to the election. They expect
Speaker 8: to know where the cuts are going to be made,
Speaker 8: and they expect to hear clearly from the leader of
Speaker 8: the Opposition how on earth it is that he is
Speaker 8: going to make commitments about things that people will trust.
Speaker 1: Well, you're talking about misinformation. I could challenge you on plenty,
Speaker 1: but let's just move on to the vote that's going
Speaker 1: to happen this week. Fatima Payment one of those key
Speaker 1: left leaning MPs and senators. They need a couple of them,
Speaker 1: they need three of them, sorry, but most of the
Speaker 1: five that are up for Grabs have said no. She's
Speaker 1: the latest to say no to censoring the internet.
Speaker 7: Freedom of speech is a pillar of our democracy and
Speaker 7: this bill threatens that. Of course, misinformation and disinformation are
Speaker 7: a problem, but this bill isn't the answer. The powers
Speaker 7: it grants could lead to over censorship, with the government
Speaker 7: deciding what does and doesn't count as the truth. That's
Speaker 7: not the Australia I believe in.
Speaker 1: I love that, James. These people have all come to
Speaker 1: the decision that you and I made two years ago
Speaker 1: when we first heard about it. Well done for skewing
Speaker 1: them again in the cartoon as you did so. Did
Speaker 1: I get the math's right when I was at the
Speaker 1: start of the show trying to explain where we are
Speaker 1: here where Basically Thorpe is the only unannounced one right now.
Speaker 1: But even if they get Thorpe and somehow there's a
Speaker 1: surprise with the former Liberal senator in David Van, this
Speaker 1: thing would be one vote short and therefore den on arrival.
Speaker 1: Is that you're reading of the numbers.
Speaker 2: Tonight, Yeah, you are fottom with those numbers. I doubt
Speaker 2: very much that Lydia Thorpe will come to the party
Speaker 2: on this and David Van I think this is a
Speaker 2: dead in the water bill. I mus take my hat
Speaker 2: off to Fatima Payman because she is not only a
Speaker 2: woman of color, but she's a migrant to this country,
Speaker 2: Ani Muslim, who believes in free speech, unlike her colleague
Speaker 2: in the Senate, Mariene Ferruci, who obviously doesn't believe in
Speaker 2: freedom of speech because of that Ade and C case.
Speaker 2: But well do under her for at least speaking out
Speaker 2: and saying she will not support this labor bill. Look,
Speaker 2: you're right when you say that one nation came to
Speaker 2: their senses years ago when the Coalition proposed this Misinformation
Speaker 2: and Disinformation bill. From the get go, you would have
Speaker 2: thought that Labor had learned a lesson when they dropped
Speaker 2: it because they didn't have the numbers.
Speaker 1: Then.
Speaker 2: I don't think they're going to have the numbers in
Speaker 2: the coming week or fortnite, because, as you say, it
Speaker 2: could be one of those late night sittings of Parliament
Speaker 2: where they try and rush this through because someone's fallen
Speaker 2: asleep on the couch in their office or gone home
Speaker 2: a little bit early. So watch this space. It's not
Speaker 2: dead yet, but with a bit of luck, they will
Speaker 2: not get this bill through.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a couple of free holidays to some backbenches from
Speaker 1: the LNP. We'll see what happens the next sort of while. Now,
Speaker 1: of course I know that Senator Senator Farouki speed dial
Speaker 1: for lawyers. Obviously she would disagree with that suggestion. She'd
Speaker 1: like to come on the program to state her case.
Speaker 1: She's more than welcome. Sorry, James, I just want to
Speaker 1: save myself from the meeting tomorrow. Now, Enough said Linda again.
Speaker 1: This misinformation bill, if it looks like it's going to fail,
Speaker 1: do you fail quickly? Just tactically, as a person who
Speaker 1: has been in a room counsel, you can see that
Speaker 1: you're going to get there by a vote or you're
Speaker 1: going to fall over by a vote. Do you wait
Speaker 1: to the end of two weeks and then basically have
Speaker 1: a two week storyline of failure or if it's going
Speaker 1: to die, idea kill it quickly.
Speaker 8: Look I think that again, it's really disappointing that the
Speaker 8: Coalition have not decided to vote for this bill. I
Speaker 8: understand that they're always going to try and make this
Speaker 8: about free speech, but for the now increasingly millions of
Speaker 8: Australians that have been scammed, they're finding false information on
Speaker 8: the Internet. And we've seen over the weekend in some
Speaker 8: of the Sydney Morning Herald papers. You know, these incredible videos,
Speaker 8: fake videos of Lee being Australian figures clearly selling fake
Speaker 8: financial products. I mean these stopping scamming.
Speaker 1: People, stopping the ability to share YouTube videos. The government ow.
Speaker 8: Things are scamming real Australians. Many Australians don't like to
Speaker 8: talk about it because they're embarrassed, but they're losing their houses.
Speaker 8: We're not talking about hundreds of thousands of dollars. And
Speaker 8: these kinds of bills are designed to prevent misinformation and
Speaker 8: disinformation and scams, take them off the Internet and give
Speaker 8: those scag social media companies to have them have a
Speaker 8: penalty if they keep that information up and online. I
Speaker 8: think Australians are listening to this, and I think they'll
Speaker 8: be disappointed that the Coalition is not trying to do
Speaker 8: everything they can to block and get in the way
Speaker 8: of those really serious and dangerous financial scams.
Speaker 1: I think there's a reason why we haven't seen much
Speaker 1: polling on this. Even left wing organizations know this thing
Speaker 1: would poll very poorly. Censoring the Internet was has always
Speaker 1: been a terrible idea again, there are plenty of laws
Speaker 1: in place about what you can say, that our outright
Speaker 1: to lives, provalized defamation, all of these different things that
Speaker 1: are there. The concept of the government doesn't like remember
Speaker 1: what they did during COVID. Anyway, we'll see what happens
Speaker 1: in the next couple of weeks. I would suggest, if
Speaker 1: it's going to die, I hope it does so quickly.
Speaker 1: But if they drag it out for two weeks hoping
Speaker 1: that they can send somebody to Tahiti for free, they're
Speaker 1: going to have a problem for yet another two week distraction.
Speaker 1: So the climate change and climate change in the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five election versus the twenty twenty two election. Now
Speaker 1: this was supposedly the climate change election. But then, of
Speaker 1: course the decisions which have been made by this government
Speaker 1: cost an awful lot of money. They tried to hide
Speaker 1: that it would cost an awful lot of money, but
Speaker 1: it has. The result is, of course, power bills have gone up,
Speaker 1: despite the fact the promise was that it was going
Speaker 1: to be the opposite direction. But then, Linda, we get
Speaker 1: the government who took us on a long journey for
Speaker 1: a year and half a billion dollars on the voice vote.
Speaker 1: Now are going to line up and try to get
Speaker 1: a conference that the Prime Minister doesn't deem important enough
Speaker 1: to attend. This year all asked to be hosted in Australia.
Speaker 1: For China to turn around and tell us that we
Speaker 1: need to collectively give them one and a bit trillion dollars.
Speaker 8: Well, look, first of all, I think the cop is
Speaker 8: a really important global process. It's really important because we
Speaker 8: know climate change is dangerous. It's based on science. You
Speaker 8: wouldn't think we're still having to make the case for
Speaker 8: the importance of acting on climate change, and yet here
Speaker 8: we are again. But more and more Australians are identifying
Speaker 8: this as a major issue. But we also know it's
Speaker 8: a global issue and Australia can act on our own.
Speaker 8: We should take actions, but without a global consensus, it's really,
Speaker 8: really difficult to have a proper measurable impact on the
Speaker 8: way that we can stop climate change. Now, I think
Speaker 8: it's important for Australia to play our part in the
Speaker 8: global community. I think it's important from a climate change perspective,
Speaker 8: but it's also important from a security perspective. We've of
Speaker 8: course got all these incredible countries America just a.
Speaker 1: Decision between basically for four years, one of the biggest
Speaker 1: players out of the game.
Speaker 8: I just don't think that's right. I mean, I do
Speaker 8: accept the fact that Donald Trump has said that he's
Speaker 8: going to rip up all their climate change commitments. But
Speaker 8: we've seen incredible jobs actually in the US come out
Speaker 8: of the renewable energy sector. It's gone a lot into
Speaker 8: those Republican states. I don't think he's going to rip
Speaker 8: vote because of those jobs. I don't think he's going
Speaker 8: to rip up those jobs. And I don't think he's
Speaker 8: going to rip up many of those projects. And when
Speaker 8: you talk to acid owners around the world, they're not
Speaker 8: going to get out of America too. So I think
Speaker 8: he may well rip up the treaty. I think it
Speaker 8: might be pretty symbolic, but I continue to think America
Speaker 8: will be pretty on track to be honest when it
Speaker 8: comes to acting on climate change, irrespective of whether Trump
Speaker 8: is the president or not.
Speaker 1: Before we talked about climate change, there was cycle on
Speaker 1: Tracy fifty years on. We'll talk about that in a
Speaker 1: moment with a great Matt mattor Cunningham who is in
Speaker 1: Darwin James, Thank you, Linda, thank you Longer. Next time
Speaker 1: I promise, but I just had to play the Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift Trump thing. All right, quick breakback with more here
Speaker 1: on Paul Murray Life. Thanks for watching Royal Report thirty
Speaker 1: minutes away from now. I don't need any excuse to
Speaker 1: talk to my mate Matt Cunningham, who was of course
Speaker 1: in Darwin. But we've got a good reason to do
Speaker 1: it right now, which is that he is working on
Speaker 1: a special to commemorate fifty years in Cyclone, Tracy. Geez,
Speaker 1: how time moves on quickly. The Great Man joins us
Speaker 1: from the most fantastic part of Australia, that being the
Speaker 1: Northern Territory, constantly free. A little too muggy at this
Speaker 1: point of the year, but still great Man. The events
Speaker 1: of Cyclone, Tracy, whether you lived through them or learnt
Speaker 1: about them, they have really defined Darwin. They've defined Darwin
Speaker 1: and everything from how things are built to the scars
Speaker 1: that have existed. And that's part of what you talk
Speaker 1: about in this special doc go up in a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks.
Speaker 9: Absolutely, and I think you know, as someone who's lived
Speaker 9: here for a long time, Paul, I think doing this
Speaker 9: documentary I really got an idea about where you know,
Speaker 9: the resilience of Darwin people has come from. I mean,
Speaker 9: it's a pretty hard place to live for parts of
Speaker 9: the year.
Speaker 1: At the best of times.
Speaker 9: But talking to some of these surviv and what they
Speaker 9: went through fifty years ago, and the fact that after
Speaker 9: they went through such a traumatic experience, they were then
Speaker 9: able really to straight away to pack their things up,
Speaker 9: to dust themselves off, and then to say, you know what,
Speaker 9: we're going to rebuild this place, and we're going to
Speaker 9: rebuild it right here and turn it into the great,
Speaker 9: vibrant tropical city that it is today.
Speaker 1: Sixty six people lost their life. Eighty eight people ended
Speaker 1: up losing their life in the Balley bombings of the
Speaker 1: early two thousands. So that's how significant a number of people.
Speaker 1: Give me an idea about the types of people that
Speaker 1: you've been able to talk to, And even for those
Speaker 1: who lived it fifty years ago, does this time of
Speaker 1: the year bring it up for them regularly.
Speaker 9: Well, we're actually talking to people as part of this documentary, Paul,
Speaker 9: who really have told us that until very recently they've
Speaker 9: been unable to talk about the experience of Christmas nineteen.
Speaker 1: Seventy four at all.
Speaker 9: One of the interesting things that people have been telling
Speaker 9: us is that there was a sound record made of
Speaker 9: Cyclone Tracy. The bishop at the time, Bishop Ted Collins,
Speaker 9: hung on a microphone out of the window and recorded
Speaker 9: the sound of Cyclone Tracy. And for years it's been
Speaker 9: played in a sound booth at the Northern Territory Museum
Speaker 9: and at Art gallery here in Darwin. And almost without exception,
Speaker 9: the people that we've spoken to the survivors of Cyclone
Speaker 9: Tracy have said that they have never been able to
Speaker 9: go back into that room because it brings back such
Speaker 9: traumatic memories. I mean, we've spoken to people. One guy
Speaker 9: we spoke to, Anthony Bullock. He was twelve years old
Speaker 9: at the time. He was walking down the stairs of
Speaker 9: his elevated house with his dad to try to get
Speaker 9: into the toilet downstairs to seek shelter when the cyclone
Speaker 9: came and basically blew the staircase and blew him and
Speaker 9: his old man ten meters off onto the lawn. There
Speaker 9: are just some incredible stories of survival and some incredible
Speaker 9: stories of trauma and hardship. Another bloke we spoke to,
Speaker 9: Alan Haynes. He and his sister were caught up in
Speaker 9: the cyclone. He was only twenty years old at the time,
Speaker 9: but his parents were living in Adelaide and as you
Speaker 9: would know, all communication from Darwin was cut, so for
Speaker 9: seven days after Cyclone Tracy hit, his mum and dad
Speaker 9: back in Adelaide had no idea whether their son and daughter,
Speaker 9: who were living in Darwen were alive, and his mum
Speaker 9: actually wrote him a letter, not knowing whether he was
Speaker 9: alive or not, just saying I really hope that you
Speaker 9: are and I love you so much. So there's some
Speaker 9: really sort of heart wrenching but also heartwarming tales that
Speaker 9: we've uncovered as part of this process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's have a little look at what's coming your
Speaker 1: way in about ten days time. Here on Scotonis time
Speaker 1: stood still and sadly we're going to die.
Speaker 9: Fifty years on. What's the overriding emotion for you? Cyclone
Speaker 9: Tracy hit Darwin in the early hours of Christmas Day.
Speaker 8: The kitchen just exploded out people, the boss houses were
Speaker 8: out there in amongst it.
Speaker 1: It's reminiscent of Piroshima. How could anyone survive? The roof
Speaker 1: kept lifting and dropping, and the wind was just horrifying.
Speaker 6: And to be the first to witness extraordinary, never before
Speaker 6: seen footage.
Speaker 1: Dad Ellen went out filming and they've really kept it.
Speaker 1: A remarkable story.
Speaker 5: It's a tale of resilience, there's no question about that.
Speaker 2: Weird bozzy men racing up into each other and giving
Speaker 2: enormous having anything.
Speaker 1: Christ You're alive. Cyclone Tracy fifty years on eight pm,
Speaker 1: November twenty seven on Sky News.
Speaker 9: Paul, that's six thirty at Darwin time, Wednesday, the twenty
Speaker 9: seventh of November. It's been I have to say, a
Speaker 9: real privilege to be able to work on this and
Speaker 9: there are just some incredible stories. Fifty years on from
Speaker 9: the day that Cyclone Tracy came and flatten Darwin.
Speaker 1: You're a very good man. Everyone should have noted just then.
Speaker 1: He never looked down for a note when it came
Speaker 1: to names. The man knows it because he loves the
Speaker 1: story and he loves that part of Australia. We love you,
Speaker 1: great man. We'll see you again very soon, all right,
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks before you get to said that
Speaker 1: here on Sky News at eight o'clock or six point
Speaker 1: thirty in Dot See you tomorrow.