Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. This particular little episode, we're going
Speaker 1: to focus on true crime.
Speaker 2: Joe.
Speaker 1: It's because there's a lot of people in our team
Speaker 1: who are.
Speaker 3: Obsessed with it a little too much, so so so
Speaker 3: much so scares the shit out of them, yet they
Speaker 3: continue to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's so strange when Abby turns up to work
Speaker 1: and she's literally got knives and she's like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: sorry about that. I was just I was just listening
Speaker 1: to a true crime podcast. I don't mind this, and
Speaker 1: like while they're come to blood, She's like, that'd be silly.
Speaker 3: You actually were walking around with a knife the other day.
Speaker 2: I actually was because I had to make banana bread.
Speaker 2: She'd say, sorry for sleeping through my alarm and missing
Speaker 2: my entire shift the other week. So I bought or
Speaker 2: I baked the banana bread, and then I had to
Speaker 2: go and get a knife to obviously.
Speaker 4: Cut it up.
Speaker 1: To give you all.
Speaker 3: You stopped to have a conversation with a few people
Speaker 3: when it was very disconcerned.
Speaker 1: And she stripped off, start dancing and put on Instagram
Speaker 1: Britney spears.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, channeling Britney Spears, just like a you better work.
Speaker 5: Bitch, Swiss.
Speaker 1: It's true crime.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk true crime. So we were talking about
Speaker 2: this the other week, and essentially, you know, what's your
Speaker 2: big true crime story, the one that you sort of
Speaker 2: still can't get out of your hat. Mine definitely was
Speaker 2: the Golden State Killer story. So this guy essentially all
Speaker 2: through California, he was the Versalia ransacker, he was the
Speaker 2: Golden State Killer.
Speaker 5: He had all these different names.
Speaker 2: He committed over a hundreds of crimes, right, So he
Speaker 2: would go and he'd ransack homes and then he'd stalk people,
Speaker 2: and then eventually got to the point where he was
Speaker 2: killing people as well, and they could not find him,
Speaker 2: and all these searches and everything. Obviously, back in the
Speaker 2: seventies or whatever, you didn't have all the things that
Speaker 2: you have now, like DNA and all of that. Anyway,
Speaker 2: fast forward literally thirty forty years later, and they nab
Speaker 2: the Golden State Killer from DNA. They find a DNA sample,
Speaker 2: and they also use genealogy results as well, so you
Speaker 2: go on and you look and see, you know, who's
Speaker 2: in your family and all of that sort of thing. Anyway,
Speaker 2: but there's a piece of audio and I think I
Speaker 2: think it's because of this audio. I don't think I
Speaker 2: slept without a light on for about four weeks, right,
Speaker 2: so take a listen.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: So basically what he did was he started stalking people,
Speaker 2: so he would watch people and see what their routine
Speaker 2: was like, So, oh, yeah, you live with your husband,
Speaker 2: but he leaves to work at six o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 2: You're home with your kid for a few hours, and
Speaker 2: then you go here blah blah blah. And then he
Speaker 2: would call them and just terrorize them essentially, and also
Speaker 2: after he committed a crime, so so he go to
Speaker 2: the house, he would tie them up, he would sexually
Speaker 2: assault them, all that sort of thing. Sometimes at the
Speaker 2: start he let them live, but then obviously it progressed.
Speaker 2: He killed them, but then he would like terrorize them afterwards,
Speaker 2: so he'd called them afterwards and do prank calls like
Speaker 2: that for months afterwards. The most it's the most fascinating
Speaker 2: and terrifying crime I think I've ever watched. And there
Speaker 2: was also a documentary. So there's a guy called Patty Oswald.
Speaker 2: He is a actor. His wife got asked to do
Speaker 2: a piece for a newspaper about the case, so she
Speaker 2: got all the police files obviously there's all the crime
Speaker 2: scene photos all of that. She ended up actually dying
Speaker 2: from heart issues because she was doing she was so
Speaker 2: invested in this piece and it just essentially in the end,
Speaker 2: it killed her. But they put out she put out
Speaker 2: this article and then they did I'll be gone in
Speaker 2: the dark, which is what he used to say to people,
Speaker 2: and they did this big documentary. I'm pretty sure it
Speaker 2: was Binge, and it is just terrifying. It is just
Speaker 2: terrifying the stuff that he did to these people. But
Speaker 2: then obviously, forty years later got nabbed and now he's
Speaker 2: in jail right as a seventy something year old man.
Speaker 4: So how many people did he actually kill?
Speaker 2: I think it was like ten in the end, but
Speaker 2: there was hundreds and hundreds of burglaries.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, my question is, though, if he breaks in and
Speaker 3: he assaults them and he terrorizes them, how come the
Speaker 3: police couldn't catch him.
Speaker 2: So he used to wear a ski mask number one,
Speaker 2: number two though they didn't have mobile phones even back then.
Speaker 2: So he would go and he would use like a
Speaker 2: bike or run off or whatever and go to a
Speaker 2: car that was waiting. Essentially, but they were saying in
Speaker 2: this documentary how they just didn't have that. It's not
Speaker 2: like today where you know, someone sees something or their
Speaker 2: CCTV or whatever, he'd go running into like a swamp.
Speaker 2: But he was married the whole time, and his wife
Speaker 2: said that she like, he'd say he's out fishing or
Speaker 2: he was at work or whatever. Yeah, but as they're
Speaker 2: nailing it down and it goes on, well, she's an idiot.
Speaker 2: As they're nailing it down to who it is, they
Speaker 2: essentially find out that he was a cop and he
Speaker 2: got let go from the force because he got done
Speaker 2: for shoplifting and he shoplifted spray that deters dogs, so
Speaker 2: dog repellent.
Speaker 5: And he got let go.
Speaker 2: So as they're dwindling down, they find you know, okay,
Speaker 2: this is like the people from the genealogy site. This
Speaker 2: is the people who were living in this space at
Speaker 2: the time, and blah blah blah, and they're going down.
Speaker 2: But yeah, he was a cop, so he knew to
Speaker 2: wear gloves and you know, have something over his face
Speaker 2: and things like that. And yeah, they didn't have DNA,
Speaker 2: they didn't have fingerprints, and it took them this long
Speaker 2: to be able to find out who had done it.
Speaker 5: Wow, what do you do.
Speaker 3: Honestly, I'll go home and watch morning Wars and just
Speaker 3: feel happy about my life, like.
Speaker 5: I know I need to.
Speaker 1: This is aggressive too, even Wars mornings.
Speaker 4: This is.
Speaker 3: You know what's so fascinating. You want to talk about
Speaker 3: true crime. That's true media, that's true TV. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I can sit there and go, Wow, that's my life.
Speaker 3: That's a true crime in itself.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the full from the full of the House
Speaker 2: of Usher that's on Netflix at the moment, Oh my goodness.
Speaker 5: I had nightmares.
Speaker 2: I Mum literally was pissing herself laughing because I said
Speaker 2: I wanted the hallway light left on, and Dad's, oh,
Speaker 2: for God's sakes, have you go to bed and turns
Speaker 2: it off for Mum came down and went, you.
Speaker 5: Want the whole word light on? And I was like yes,
Speaker 5: and she left it on for me.
Speaker 3: Terrified together, So I didn't realize it, I newsreader was fifteen.
Speaker 5: I literally am I have traveled back in time.
Speaker 1: Criminology is unbelievably fascinating, and also genealogy, which you're talking
Speaker 1: about before, which of course is the study of genies.
Speaker 1: It's like, how do they get in the bottle? How
Speaker 1: is such a big Genie get in the bottle?
Speaker 5: How do they grant all your wishes?
Speaker 1: How do they grant ale the wishes? How do they
Speaker 1: have such magic?
Speaker 3: How?
Speaker 1: And also your favorite Jenney of all time, it's got
Speaker 1: to be Robert Williams.
Speaker 3: And I've never seen a Jennie wearing a balaclava and
Speaker 3: gloves well, carrying rope around of you, crazy.
Speaker 1: Isn't it?
Speaker 5: Anyway?
Speaker 2: I highly recommend Golden State Killer. Yeah, it's a wild story,
Speaker 2: but it will freak you out and you will be
Speaker 2: sleeping with your dogs in your bed with the light
Speaker 2: on back in your childhood home.
Speaker 1: Okay, great, that good stuff, all right? From one messed
Speaker 1: up human to another. Let's go from Newsrey to Abby
Speaker 1: to producer Emily, who's also into torturing herself criminology.
Speaker 6: I am, guys, And the story that Abby was just
Speaker 6: talking about I listened to while I was living with
Speaker 6: Mum and dad on the farm while we were building
Speaker 6: our house.
Speaker 3: And also do people adults do we all live with
Speaker 3: our parents?
Speaker 4: Oh this is years ago and on the farm too,
Speaker 4: in the middle of nowhere.
Speaker 6: And so there's also a case File which is a
Speaker 6: great true crime podcast, which I think was a five
Speaker 6: part series, and I was listening to that when we
Speaker 6: were living there, and one of the things they were
Speaker 6: talking about is with the Golden State Killer. When he
Speaker 6: would go to some people's houses, he would go through
Speaker 6: like the back patio door, and back in the seventies,
Speaker 6: people just left it open, left it unlocked. And so
Speaker 6: one of them, one of the women who was attacked
Speaker 6: but obviously didn't get murdered, she spoke about how her
Speaker 6: little she had like a little dog that was going
Speaker 6: nuts in the middle of the night, barking, and she
Speaker 6: gets up and goes to see what's going on and
Speaker 6: turns the light on, and on the outside of the door,
Speaker 6: which she had no curtains or anything, is just the
Speaker 6: Golden State Killer standing there with the ski mask on
Speaker 6: and had ropen stuff in his hands, and she just
Speaker 6: absolutely freaked out. And so then when I'm on the
Speaker 6: farm and we've got six dogs living there and they've
Speaker 6: got to go out to the toilet in the middle
Speaker 6: of the night, you don't think that I turned seventeen
Speaker 6: lights on before I had to go open the patio door. Anyway,
Speaker 6: So that story has affected me. And I also didn't
Speaker 6: sleep a lot, and that was back when I was
Speaker 6: doing Breakfast Radio two, so not good times.
Speaker 1: So what was the what's the horror movie with the
Speaker 1: ski the hockey mask? Friday? Third time? That's Freddy Freddy,
Speaker 1: Freddy Kreeby. Yeah, it's about that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Anyway, my story that I want to tell you about
Speaker 6: I heard on another podcast called My Favorite Murder and
Speaker 6: the good thing about My Favorite Murder feeling less and
Speaker 6: less comfortable about working with these people. The good thing
Speaker 6: about that podcast is they're doing how we're doing it
Speaker 6: now and they just discuss a murder. And this was
Speaker 6: one of the earlier ones they did. So it's set
Speaker 6: in California in the seventies. A man named Lawrence Singleton
Speaker 6: is driving along one of the highways.
Speaker 1: Never trust a Lawry. Never. Your first name is Lawrence.
Speaker 6: FuG And he picked up a fifteen year old hitch hiker.
Speaker 6: And so her name is Mary Vincent. So they're in California.
Speaker 6: Her family lived in Las Vegas. She ran away because
Speaker 6: their parents were getting divorced. She had friends in California
Speaker 6: wanted to get away, but then she figured out, I'm
Speaker 6: home sick, I want to go home. And in the seventies,
Speaker 6: one of the things they did was hitchhiked, and thank goodness, well,
Speaker 6: hopefully people aren't doing that anymore, because that's the start
Speaker 6: of so many true crime stories. She is walking along
Speaker 6: the side of the highway and he pulls. He pulls
Speaker 6: up in his van and there's two hitch hikers behind her,
Speaker 6: and he goes, nup, sorry, I've only got room for
Speaker 6: one in the van, and the hitch hikers say to her,
Speaker 6: don't go in there, like the the van is empty,
Speaker 6: so he's got plenty of room, and she's like, I'm
Speaker 6: just so tired. I just want to go home.
Speaker 4: I just want to get home somehow, and she gets
Speaker 4: him was.
Speaker 1: There also the promise of candy in the van?
Speaker 3: Also, you're going home. It's just an ethereal home up
Speaker 3: in the sky.
Speaker 4: And the thing is that conventional home.
Speaker 6: Laurence Singleton was in his fifties and by all reports,
Speaker 6: had a bit of pot belly, just looked like a grandfather,
Speaker 6: so she probably thought he's harmless whatever. So she needs
Speaker 6: to go to Vegas. He said, I'm going to Reno,
Speaker 6: which is in Nevada, but it's in a completely different direction.
Speaker 6: But he goes, that's fine, I'll take you to Vegas and.
Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden, she was like a shot
Speaker 1: a man and reno.
Speaker 3: Sorry, if we're not taking your podcast, guys, you're going
Speaker 3: to learn something today, Okay.
Speaker 6: Anyway, so he said, I'll take you, and so then
Speaker 6: she sitting in the front seat and dozes off. She's
Speaker 6: super tired, she's been hitchhiking for ages. And then she
Speaker 6: wakes up and she realizes that they're going in the
Speaker 6: completely wrong direction to where they need to go.
Speaker 3: She's not playing Dolphin Treasure at a casino in Las Vegas,
Speaker 3: not yet, not.
Speaker 6: Yet, maybe not at all. So she freaks out and
Speaker 6: can fronts him and goes, what the hell are you doing?
Speaker 6: We're going the wrong way, like she knows where they
Speaker 6: need to go, and he goes, I'm so sorry. I'm
Speaker 6: an honest man, I've made an honest mistake. I've obviously
Speaker 6: taking the wrong turn. Like we'll get back on the
Speaker 6: on the right direction. So he pulls over. He's like,
Speaker 6: I just need to go the toilet before we like
Speaker 6: head off, and she gets really nervous and she's just
Speaker 6: sitting in the front seat and she looks down and
Speaker 6: her shoelaces untired, and she kind of thinks to herself.
Speaker 6: All right, if this guy tries to do anything to me,
Speaker 6: I might need to run, So I need to do
Speaker 6: my shoelace up. So she opens the van, she steps
Speaker 6: out and puts her foot up on the side to
Speaker 6: do her shoot up, and then she blacks out. He's
Speaker 6: hit her over the head with a sledgehammer.
Speaker 1: Wow, like over the back of the head.
Speaker 4: You're not going to be laughing in a second. So
Speaker 4: that's what's really.
Speaker 1: Bad, see, And all of a sudden she was out.
Speaker 6: So he ties her up in the back of the
Speaker 6: van and then he spends the rest of the night
Speaker 6: into the morning sexually assaulting it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I feel bad, Yes.
Speaker 3: You should.
Speaker 6: So the whole time she's pleading with him to stop,
Speaker 6: he keeps going and keeps going. She just says, I
Speaker 6: just want to be set free, and then he goes,
Speaker 6: all right, no worries. If you want me to set
Speaker 6: you free, I'll set you free. So get out of
Speaker 6: the get out of the van, and he unties her,
Speaker 6: and he said, all right, I'll set you free. And
Speaker 6: so then he grabs a hatchet out of the back
Speaker 6: of the van and then he cuts her left arm
Speaker 6: off below the elbow.
Speaker 1: Oh gosh, she did not see that coming.
Speaker 6: No, that, So then she's freaking out, just obviously screaming,
Speaker 6: going freaking out by this point, yep, Jesus. Then she
Speaker 6: grabs him with her right arm, so she's holding onto
Speaker 6: his arm, the good arm, the one that she has left,
Speaker 6: and she's in shock, totally confused, and so then he
Speaker 6: takes the hatchet and then starts hacking off the right
Speaker 6: arms and then she falls backwards and she's kind of confused,
Speaker 6: she's in shock whatever, and she doesn't.
Speaker 1: Realize can't break your full.
Speaker 6: That's when she realizes that her right arm has been
Speaker 6: chopped off. But she's looking around. She's got no idea
Speaker 6: what's going on. She's got blood everywhere. She sees him
Speaker 6: flicking his arm around, and she doesn't know why he's
Speaker 6: flicking his arm around, but it's because her right hand
Speaker 6: had been clawed onto his arm and he's he's flicking
Speaker 6: it off, trying to get her arm off, so it's
Speaker 6: not attached to her anymore, but it's attached to him.
Speaker 6: So then she passes out and he thinks, right, she's
Speaker 6: gonna die, she's gonna bleed out.
Speaker 4: We're all good.
Speaker 6: So then he throws her off the side of a
Speaker 6: cliff thirty foot cliff drives off yep, he thinks he's
Speaker 6: all on the cliff and the.
Speaker 1: Arm's still attached to the ute like the T one
Speaker 1: thousand terminator too.
Speaker 4: So she's passed out.
Speaker 6: She's broken four ribs as she's fallen down and her
Speaker 6: she's bleeding profusely. So she comes to, she puts her
Speaker 6: stumps into She's alive, still is.
Speaker 2: She?
Speaker 3: You're getting mad at us and taking the piss, but honestly.
Speaker 1: So let's just freak out. She's got no arm, she's
Speaker 1: got broken.
Speaker 4: Ribs and completely naked.
Speaker 1: And she's completely naked.
Speaker 6: Yeah, she's thrown her down the cliff. She she uses
Speaker 6: her stumps and puts them in the dirt to stop
Speaker 6: the bleeding.
Speaker 1: Hell of the day.
Speaker 6: She then climbs up the thirty foot ravine up, looked
Speaker 6: up the cliff and get.
Speaker 1: Climb up.
Speaker 4: Okay, I will I'll tell you the spoiler.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: The reason I know that this happened is because she
Speaker 6: tells this story on a TV show called Ice Bullshit.
Speaker 4: I'm calling bullshit.
Speaker 6: So she gets back up onto the highway and is
Speaker 6: stumbling down the highway took her all day to climb
Speaker 6: back up there with their stumps. She's it's now nighttime,
Speaker 6: stumbling along the highway, trying to find someone to save her.
Speaker 6: Two guys stop in a convertible. They see her, and
Speaker 6: they speed off because they're like, what the hell is
Speaker 6: going on?
Speaker 4: And also how.
Speaker 3: Did they know to stop because she didn't have an
Speaker 3: arm and a thumb to put out to hitch hike drives.
Speaker 1: I think she was trying to singles down. It's like
Speaker 1: she was.
Speaker 6: Making Another car drives past and it is a couple
Speaker 6: on their honeymoon.
Speaker 4: Is this story not over yet?
Speaker 1: I think you're making this about we go it line.
Speaker 4: It is not right.
Speaker 6: A couple come past, get her in the car, get
Speaker 6: at a hospital. She is able to give the police
Speaker 6: sketch artist the perfect description of him, so when they
Speaker 6: released the photo kit, his neighbor, Laurence Singleton's neighbor calls
Speaker 6: the police and goes, that is my neighbor.
Speaker 4: He was arrestedly. Didn't sketch the drawing herself.
Speaker 1: So she described the sketch artist. She didn't sketching with her.
Speaker 4: So he was arrested.
Speaker 6: Nine days later, he blames someone else and said that
Speaker 6: she was a ten dollar sex worker. Yeah, I won't
Speaker 6: use the word that he used. She testifies against him
Speaker 6: in court. She has now has prosthetic limbs. He's convicted
Speaker 6: of kidnapping, Mayhem, attempted murder, forcible rap, sodomy, and forced
Speaker 6: oral copulation. Gets fourteen years, which is the maximum sentence.
Speaker 6: He's out in.
Speaker 1: Eight Oh my gosh.
Speaker 6: So they tried to release him to back to California,
Speaker 6: where he was from, and they also tried to release
Speaker 6: him to Florida as well. In all the cities that
Speaker 6: they tried to release him to, everyone protested and rallied
Speaker 6: against it. The mayor said, no, not going to happen.
Speaker 6: So eventually I think there is about seven or eight
Speaker 6: different cities that they tried to release him to. He
Speaker 6: had to be released to a trailer on the grounds
Speaker 6: of San Quentin Prison where he had to just live
Speaker 6: out his one year of parole. But after that free
Speaker 6: to go on the community.
Speaker 3: What so many dots that can't be joined.
Speaker 1: That's America for you, though.
Speaker 4: Yeah, one of the things.
Speaker 6: So after she testified in court, she wore past him
Speaker 6: and he said to her, if it's the last thing
Speaker 6: I do, I'll kill you. So she's she's had it,
Speaker 6: Like you said, she's had a rough day.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but she's like you had a read click glass luck.
Speaker 6: So eventually, after his release, he goes back to Florida
Speaker 6: and he's off the radar until nineteen ninety seven until
Speaker 6: his neighbor calls the police. But the neighbor sees him
Speaker 6: attacking a woman in his house, so he the police arrive,
Speaker 6: open the door. He's standing there carven in blood because
Speaker 6: he has killed another woman, a mother of three, and
Speaker 6: he stabbed her twelve times in the face and chest.
Speaker 6: So then he was finally put back in jail and
Speaker 6: sentenced to death, but he died of cancer in prison
Speaker 6: a few years later. That's it, So yeah. Mary Vincent
Speaker 6: tells this story to the camera on a TV show
Speaker 6: from the US called I Survived Wow. Prosthetic Limson all, well,
Speaker 6: now you're gonna have a joke. Now do you know
Speaker 6: that she lives?
Speaker 4: And go, ah wow, a.
Speaker 1: Bit of an insight into the messed up minds of
Speaker 1: the Nova Namen nineteen Ah if you like that story
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