Speaker 1: I'm I'm the most I'm becoming the most organized over data?
Speaker 1: Is that right, Dake?
Speaker 2: How many can I'll get on my plate?
Speaker 1: You know what else is on my plate? Bro?
Speaker 2: This is running by the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What about that alarm clock that goes off every morning
Speaker 1: on four thirty and keeps up?
Speaker 2: I know that I did it for years?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you don't do it now though?
Speaker 3: Did it go off at four thirty this morning? A
Speaker 3: little bit later?
Speaker 1: A little bit later? I shouldn't have dog do that.
Speaker 1: We're starting to get out. Let's do a big emotional
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Speaker 2: Emerging, Yeah, emerging behind the Darth Vader that his dent
Speaker 2: and camp.
Speaker 3: But welcome to the potty mate, Thanks boys, thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Good on your mate?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because you know it wasn't an easy drive
Speaker 1: over it. You were saying that, and you've invoiced just
Speaker 1: for the fuel that you need to come over here.
Speaker 1: The tolls, you.
Speaker 3: Know, I'll settle for an uppercrust pie. Oh yeah, mate,
Speaker 3: that was so. I used to just live around the
Speaker 3: corner in my first year of Manly and a freaking
Speaker 3: that frequent that a couple of times after a big night.
Speaker 1: How good is that?
Speaker 3: A few beers in the next morning, a Sunday morning. Nothing, Yeah,
Speaker 3: what type of pie? What you get? The chicken and
Speaker 3: white wine? One?
Speaker 2: Oh, white wine?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a steak, onion and cheese.
Speaker 3: I a steak and cheese would be one number two.
Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but just nice and simple for
Speaker 3: the pie. In saying that chicken and white one probably
Speaker 3: not not simple for people, but it was the signature one.
Speaker 3: So when I got Overary, everyone told me you've got
Speaker 3: to try it, and then obviously it was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, letting people know if you want the best pie,
Speaker 1: I think in New South Wales, upper crust, the northern but.
Speaker 2: It's got best pie in Australia three years running. Yeah wow,
Speaker 2: your suit on the side, I'm sorry, you can't spell.
Speaker 2: When you go past the site, the side of the premise.
Speaker 1: It does they advertise it. When you go up there
Speaker 1: at lunch time like any any day of the week,
Speaker 1: still packed mate, line around the corner like literally for
Speaker 1: so long, and it's like you've got to get there.
Speaker 1: Don't go between eleven thirty and twelve thirty. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you something because you like, you'll be line enough
Speaker 1: for ages. What else they do? Excellent stuff apple pie
Speaker 1: with whipped cream on top of Okay, yeah, yeah, it's seriously.
Speaker 3: If I was going to mix it up spinach and recorder,
Speaker 3: I don't want just like a nice spinach and recorder roll.
Speaker 3: So that was another option. Sometimes a pie and a spinach. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just depend on.
Speaker 2: I forgot to carry. I like the carry pies. I've
Speaker 2: just got into them, and the paper steak pies. But
Speaker 2: carry pies I'm sick for it.
Speaker 1: Curry ones are really good. I find it weird that
Speaker 1: like we're the only well not the only one, but
Speaker 1: we're one of the only countries that really like does
Speaker 1: the pie because America don't that you call it to
Speaker 1: mining thing a pie in America. It's like that pumpkin
Speaker 1: pie and things like that.
Speaker 2: The areas that have had a tradition of coal mining
Speaker 2: have pies because the pie originally the pastry that was
Speaker 2: just a cover for what's had within the pie when
Speaker 2: they go down the coal mines, So it was to
Speaker 2: protect whatever was in So back in the day they
Speaker 2: would open up the pastry and not in the pastry
Speaker 2: just so it's just like a lead inside. It was.
Speaker 2: It was basically, yeah, like the lid removes the lid
Speaker 2: and then the contents to protect from the gold the
Speaker 2: coal dust.
Speaker 1: Really so is there any.
Speaker 2: And then someone along the somewhere along the way, someone
Speaker 2: decided this is the whole thing. It's the same with
Speaker 2: battered fish. The batter on a fish was to protect
Speaker 2: the fish when they went down the mines.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.
Speaker 1: Because New Zealand do good pies too, Yeah, really good,
Speaker 1: really good one.
Speaker 3: There.
Speaker 1: Will Warbrick when he came over to Storm from New
Speaker 1: Zealand used to say, whenever we go get a pie, boys,
Speaker 1: and he goes Naji, the pies in New Zealand the
Speaker 1: way way better in New Zealand. Just be like grateful
Speaker 1: for the pie you're eating right now.
Speaker 3: A lot of Kiwis will back that up, like Kiwi's
Speaker 3: that's bakeries and fish and seafood. They're going to claim that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they take it personally, they do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Will Water. The seventh player for all bakes.
Speaker 1: Moses Leo, who's debut A Couples.
Speaker 2: Good to see him get a start, Yeah, really good.
Speaker 2: The more that come across the more that we'll come across.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, correct, Yeah, yeah, setting a standard.
Speaker 2: It's got nothing to do with setting a standard, setting a.
Speaker 1: Trend trend exactly.
Speaker 3: Mate.
Speaker 1: We had Cheese on the podcast a little bit ago
Speaker 1: and we told some good Byron Bay stories. Your name
Speaker 1: come up a couple of times because, of course when
Speaker 1: we went to Byron Bay after the twenty twenty Grand Final,
Speaker 1: you were up there as well with a little crew.
Speaker 1: Some good memories. I remember you were up there with
Speaker 1: Corey Norman, James c Giaro, Chicko.
Speaker 3: Was Chicka, Yes, Chico was there in a different group,
Speaker 3: but yeah.
Speaker 1: The same year he was up there and Maddie Moylan.
Speaker 3: And Moya so our crew, so Toddy Carney was there
Speaker 3: as well, and maybe there was like a Chicko become
Speaker 3: really good mates with these boys from Cranella and I
Speaker 3: believe one of them was either on their bucks or
Speaker 3: something like that going up So me, Normany and moys
Speaker 3: that jumped on last minute and just got our own
Speaker 3: little place and then we end up running to you
Speaker 3: guys and yeah, and then could jump it on the
Speaker 3: back end of jumping on.
Speaker 1: It was funny, remember we were because it was Melbourne Cup.
Speaker 1: It was to remember we were there Melbourne Cup. We
Speaker 1: ended up we all bought like blazers, like two dollars
Speaker 1: up shot blazers and we went to this pub Drumswick
Speaker 1: Hotel or something like that that was and we watched
Speaker 1: the Melbourne Cup. We had a massive day and we
Speaker 1: come out of the pub and they were remember the
Speaker 1: group of homeless people that were sitting there and they
Speaker 1: all had instruments. No, they were homeless. They were sitting
Speaker 1: on milk crates that doesn't move.
Speaker 2: They're homeless.
Speaker 1: Yeah maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: But we didn't clarify that, did we. But we just
Speaker 3: started you just started getting the gate out. You didn't
Speaker 3: you grab one of.
Speaker 1: The the guitar with him because Cheese was like, that's
Speaker 1: who Cheese running and goes bra there's a group of
Speaker 1: homeless people out there and they've got a guitar. And
Speaker 1: he knew I played a little bit.
Speaker 2: He goes, let's go.
Speaker 1: So we went out there and we started playing Better
Speaker 1: be Home soon a crowded house and.
Speaker 2: For people who haven't got home, I know, for the homeless.
Speaker 3: And remember there was the guy playing like the flute
Speaker 3: and all you boys were sitting there in arms seeing
Speaker 3: and it was a great night, mate, that was a
Speaker 3: great moment, Like, yeah, the day was awesome, but I
Speaker 3: remember sitting around. I think I've got it recorded for sure,
Speaker 3: I remember. And then and then it not only went
Speaker 3: from there. We all got in the van and some
Speaker 3: sort of uber system together and we're just bounting out
Speaker 3: songs like oas this Wonder War on the on the
Speaker 3: way home. It was Yeah, that was a that was
Speaker 3: a good little and yeah, I think it was off
Speaker 3: the back of the Melbourne Cup.
Speaker 2: So yeah, better be home soon. It should have been
Speaker 2: hope to get her home soon.
Speaker 1: Well, the rest of us were okay.
Speaker 3: Soon.
Speaker 1: But remember normally as well. Jack actually reminded me when
Speaker 1: I was when we were talking about Byron storys before this,
Speaker 1: I believe did normally like have a bit of an
Speaker 1: accident that trip as well, like urinated the bed.
Speaker 3: That's something like and and yeah, that's something normal would
Speaker 3: do though, so that doesn't stand out like even though
Speaker 3: that's like a story for Byron, potentially that's something he
Speaker 3: would be doing. Jackie, you from memory.
Speaker 4: He stayed at our place and we had the double
Speaker 4: mattress downstairs. It was a mattress on top of a
Speaker 4: lounge that he'd fit on, and I believe he pissed
Speaker 4: the He pissed the bed so much that night that
Speaker 4: there was actually it went through both mattresses and there
Speaker 4: was a puddle of piss underneath the double mattress.
Speaker 3: It was.
Speaker 4: It was awesome.
Speaker 3: That's why I don't remember it, because we'd come over
Speaker 3: the next day and I sort of didn't have as
Speaker 3: big one as Normy obviously, and you guys and he
Speaker 3: crashed at your place, Me and Moyser come over in
Speaker 3: the morning to potentially and I remember you were going,
Speaker 3: come on, like he's been here for a while. He
Speaker 3: wouldn't that homeless crew.
Speaker 1: That was the night that one of my favorite memories
Speaker 1: of it, where I was sitting there. It was me, me,
Speaker 1: Shandle and Normy and somebody we all our shirts off,
Speaker 1: sitting behind like the table, playing music, and somebody go,
Speaker 1: I think it was Connor Watson. Connor Watson goes, hey,
Speaker 1: look that's Shandor. That's Shandor at twenty one. That's Shandor
Speaker 1: at thirty one, pointing to Shandal that and then points
Speaker 1: at normal and goes and that's Shandor at forty one
Speaker 1: and everyone was laughing. Everyone's laughing and Shandor lent in
Speaker 1: to Normy and he goes, I will never not have abs.
Speaker 1: Everyone needs to call him because he had normally had
Speaker 1: that just notorious pot belly. Yeah mutters, Yeah, it would
Speaker 1: have never had a never had a set.
Speaker 3: That's what that's my nickname for him, mutters because the mudguts,
Speaker 3: like he was the only one half in the game
Speaker 3: that could get away with the mudguts and still play
Speaker 3: at a high level.
Speaker 2: There's a field and going around at the mat. It's
Speaker 2: a story in the Sport. Oh it's a big one.
Speaker 2: It's a magazine associated with the New York Times, and
Speaker 2: they explained the dadboard off mahomes. They was saying that
Speaker 2: people who Cameron Smith's another one. Yep, he just said
Speaker 2: before Normy Cameron Munster. Cameron Munster in the fact that
Speaker 2: they said, they're almost like a Swiss army and if
Speaker 2: they can do it, a little bit of everything makes them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I remember money Munster said when he actually
Speaker 1: lost weight and got people found it easier to tackle
Speaker 1: it because he was so thick around the gut, like
Speaker 1: just from his poor diet habits at the time that
Speaker 1: he was actually so hard to like, you know what
Speaker 1: it's like to try to wrestle someone. You try to
Speaker 1: get double underhooks and then pop the loll back. He
Speaker 1: was so thick that you couldn't pop his lower back
Speaker 1: because it was like a lot of belly.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you look at fighters, if fighters
Speaker 2: go down sometimes just a kilo or to lose a
Speaker 2: little bit, it gets to a point from fitness to
Speaker 2: you start to lose strength.
Speaker 3: So even with the UFC fighters I'm thinking about it now,
Speaker 3: is we're talking about like Habiben and Makachev and all
Speaker 3: those guys like they're they're not totally ripped, are they
Speaker 3: They're really good mauls and wrestlers. But and the other
Speaker 3: one with the quarterbacks is there's a Tennessee Titans quarterback
Speaker 3: called Will Levice. Yep, he's way too ripped his mechanics
Speaker 3: and that it doesn't suit it.
Speaker 2: So Brock Jarvis when he was fighting, like Thurman said,
Speaker 2: but he's before the fight, Keith Thurman said, he's too repped.
Speaker 2: He's got too much muscle, he can't move. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it's interesting, we said I seen one before. What was
Speaker 2: it when we're talking about something coup you said something before.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think NFL might have been NFL. And
Speaker 2: we'll come back to you're.
Speaker 3: Talking about money. He's talking about money.
Speaker 2: In the underreap, we're sort of peace in this rule.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about a little bit? It was
Speaker 2: worthwhile saying, but I just forget what it was. I
Speaker 2: just continue true Deli True Evans before we talk about
Speaker 2: his current plight. Daily's wedding. It seems to be that
Speaker 2: seems to be sort of the point that's almost the
Speaker 2: pebble in the pond, that where the reverberation started. A
Speaker 2: certain mc they're pointing out that gez des Hazle is here,
Speaker 2: but not Anthony Seuerbold and certainly not Tony mess I reckon.
Speaker 1: He's brought this up on every podcast the last four weeks.
Speaker 1: He's relentless.
Speaker 3: A lot of people have been bringing it up with
Speaker 3: me because of the relationship as well, so a lot
Speaker 3: of people have been trying to get information you were
Speaker 3: outstanding to by the way, and Jack you clipping up
Speaker 3: that the pod you did with Brad Parker about me
Speaker 3: dressing to go to Warfie. So many people sent me
Speaker 3: that little Luki Stowe sent me that originally and I
Speaker 3: had a good laugh.
Speaker 1: You kept an unnecessary astray there, Yeah, because you were dressed. Look,
Speaker 1: you weren't in a standard suit. You were dressed like
Speaker 1: you were going to Warfie. But I don't think Parks
Speaker 1: was referring to you when he was trying to throw
Speaker 1: you under the bus.
Speaker 3: I know, loocause you're going after him and he's trying
Speaker 3: to deflect, so he's trying to deflect away. So there
Speaker 3: was me and a couple of the Islander boys, Sipley
Speaker 3: and Perseco. We were a little bit more underdressed than others.
Speaker 3: But Jackie, I know you're behind it. You put it
Speaker 3: in the clip that you're me money in chairs and
Speaker 3: they're in a bag of fruit as well. They're looking
Speaker 3: the mickey and I'm standing there looking like I'm going
Speaker 3: to walk next.
Speaker 2: For what fit for what? That's what I was going
Speaker 2: to say. You know, people aren't ripped. It's like, I mean,
Speaker 2: what is fitness fit for what? So if you can
Speaker 2: play rugby league, if fits for rugby league, you fit
Speaker 2: for UFC, you're fit for running four hundred meter. They're
Speaker 2: all different. Yeah, Hence let's continue for instance, have you
Speaker 2: ever been the peaky of powers when you're playing rugby
Speaker 2: league and you're fit for rugby league, but then you
Speaker 2: walk up a set of stairs with your wife and
Speaker 2: she's fine and you're exhausted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know what fit for what I was
Speaker 1: actually thinking, I didn't know where you were going. Without
Speaker 1: the start, I thought, well, I we'll cut this out.
Speaker 1: But I do understand what you talk about now, because
Speaker 1: I was thinking about this yesterday. You went from Paramatta
Speaker 1: to Manly, which we're going to get into. But every
Speaker 1: rugby league team they all train hard, but they all
Speaker 1: kind of do different drills which are kind of hard.
Speaker 1: I remember going from Melbourne, who trained really really hard,
Speaker 1: but then going to Manly, who train very hard as well,
Speaker 1: but the running type of stuff they do more long
Speaker 1: distance stuff, and it felt like even though I was
Speaker 1: fit from my time in Melbourne, it felt like I
Speaker 1: was like seventeen again shit fitness because it was just
Speaker 1: my body was not fit for that kind of running.
Speaker 3: It was completely different because we had Steve Kerney and
Speaker 3: Brad Arthur from Melbourne, so we trained you guys. They
Speaker 3: were trying to implement that Paramatta when I was there,
Speaker 3: so it it took a massive adjustment, Like the training
Speaker 3: was completely different at Manly. But the one thing I
Speaker 3: sort of remember from from that time is we would
Speaker 3: getting sort of similar to what you're saying about money.
Speaker 3: I would have been about a Paramatta about ninety five
Speaker 3: ninety six kilos during the Kearney and when Brad Darthur
Speaker 3: took over, because we would we would just you know,
Speaker 3: those wrestle sessions. They found a shed out at Paramatta
Speaker 3: that they tried to replicate what Melbourne had been doing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it was a really high intensity sort of setup. And
Speaker 3: then when I got to Manly, like we trained hard,
Speaker 3: but everyone loves the skin up and it's like the
Speaker 3: older boys had the runs on the board. So like,
Speaker 3: especially during my time keep before you got there, it
Speaker 3: was the older boys. Yeah, the older boys would come
Speaker 3: in three days a week in pre season, which I loved,
Speaker 3: but whenever they come in the intensity of those sessions
Speaker 3: would be top tier. And then us younger guys we
Speaker 3: would try five days a week like normal. But you know,
Speaker 3: it's just completely different. Like Donnie knew, Donnie Sinch and
Speaker 3: Jeff Twovy and that they knew that they had the
Speaker 3: runs on the board, so it was it was tweaked
Speaker 3: a little bit different to suit more of the older boys,
Speaker 3: and then I imagine like it would have changed the
Speaker 3: regime change and was Donnie still around when Donnie moved on?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's moved on. Yeah, that's so funny that you
Speaker 1: say that. I can't believe that they so how many
Speaker 1: of the boys would only come in three times? So
Speaker 1: that's from November.
Speaker 3: To what till December? After Christmas? Yeah, everyone would start
Speaker 3: back together, so Monday TOOS Monday, Wednesday Friday would be
Speaker 3: the Sessions day rock up and then obviously all the
Speaker 3: rest of us do Tuesday on Thursday. But that was
Speaker 3: Brett Glenn, Steve Matdeye, Anthony Walmo, Jamie Lyon. This is
Speaker 3: this is like a couple of years. Maybe Chucky was
Speaker 3: playing Australian in the Australian team, so we didn't even
Speaker 3: see him at all. Jason King, Brent Kyte, Maddy Ballen.
Speaker 3: So there was a large portion that's half your first
Speaker 3: guard to me. Yeah. Yeah. But so because Donnie gave
Speaker 3: them the freedom, a lot of them would still turn
Speaker 3: up on the Tuesday and Thursday and going the gym
Speaker 3: and just do their own stuff. They'd be visible. They
Speaker 3: might come in do a little morning session and take off,
Speaker 3: but they could they had the runs on the board,
Speaker 3: and we knew, like Donnie knew that he wasn't They
Speaker 3: weren't going to let him down on the field. Then
Speaker 3: we'll just rip in and Tuesdays and Thursdays would be
Speaker 3: a bit of a downer. But Monday, Wednesday, Friday was
Speaker 3: the mickey, like we would all be up and yeah
Speaker 3: they'd be and they'd be flying, and yeah, we got
Speaker 3: to we've got the best out of it.
Speaker 2: It's interesting to say about that about when Blake's got
Speaker 2: the runs on the board or yeah, the muscle memory.
Speaker 2: They've been training for a long long time. I remember
Speaker 2: at Melbourne's Alex Corvo, who was the strength conditioner there
Speaker 2: for a long time, he was saying when they would
Speaker 2: bring young players in from coming down from Brisbane or
Speaker 2: wherever is, that they would train them in high volume
Speaker 2: in the weight room, so'd be like five sets to
Speaker 2: sixteen slow and things like that, and he said what
Speaker 2: it was about was building your base so that when
Speaker 2: they're at the club for five six years, they can
Speaker 2: come back in mid January putting those in the clock. Now,
Speaker 2: but it's really interesting when you blokes are talking about
Speaker 2: that different ways of training. One of the big mysteries
Speaker 2: when I was coming through was that you could run
Speaker 2: four hundreds, eight hundreds, two hundreds, you know, ten one
Speaker 2: hundreds all pre season, NonStop. You could be fit as
Speaker 2: you've ever been, But as soon as you get on
Speaker 2: out on the field, you knack it. And we used
Speaker 2: to say, right, what is match fitness? Well, match fitness
Speaker 2: is wrestling a lot of ways.
Speaker 3: Isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like it just wasn't done really in the nineties.
Speaker 1: And even now, like even it doesn't matter how big
Speaker 1: your preseason is. Now come trial game one, Like, no
Speaker 1: matter how much wrestling you do, how much running, you're
Speaker 1: still so gassed. Obviously they do it because it helps
Speaker 1: like prepare your body for a big season. It stops
Speaker 1: injury prevention and things like that. But nothing like that.
Speaker 1: There is no training you can do that replicates gets
Speaker 1: your match fitness up.
Speaker 2: The Wigan boys when we're at Wigan, there are a
Speaker 2: couple of the blokes that used to go to this
Speaker 2: legendary place in We're going to do some wrestling. It
Speaker 2: was called the snake Pit, and they called it that.
Speaker 2: There was a bloke who was a really legendary trainer there,
Speaker 2: and the bridge Wich Bulldogs would be there sometimes, David
Speaker 2: boy Smith from the British Bullets. It was a wiganer
Speaker 2: they reckon. They went in there once and Brett Hart
Speaker 2: was in there. So yeah, a few of the boys
Speaker 2: used to go and train in that place. It sounds
Speaker 2: sounded to me a little hardcore. You know, you wouldn't really, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it was probably pretty hard core.
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're alluding to. I'm not talking about.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about, you know, wrestling where get your
Speaker 1: hooks in. I'm talking about you know, bloke's getting held
Speaker 1: in in certain holes and screaming.
Speaker 3: Oh god.
Speaker 1: The current manly side. Would you consider yourself a manly
Speaker 1: Are you a manly fan or a paramount of fan?
Speaker 3: Spent three three three three split of them, probably more
Speaker 3: mainly because we had more success there.
Speaker 1: What I wanted to ask you, because this year is
Speaker 1: started phenomenally. You're a former back roller for the mainly
Speaker 1: Seagulls played. You've played off chairs perform just only slightly different,
Speaker 1: only slightly different. Still, you broke as many tackles as him.
Speaker 1: Audio thoughts on the Big Fail because he's got every
Speaker 1: string to his bow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love it. I remember when he first hit
Speaker 3: the scene. You know, could only you know, last thirty
Speaker 3: or forty minutes before the big fellow gas out, which
Speaker 3: is understandable. But he's you know, he's really developed into
Speaker 3: a proper eighty minute back row who can be just
Speaker 3: as effective at the start of the game as he
Speaker 3: is at the back end. Now you look at that
Speaker 3: on the weekend when he it's the you know, the
Speaker 3: the losing by a fair beer sixty five minute chez
Speaker 3: I think throws him aboard just nothing doing bang wushka,
Speaker 3: fine sabi and puts him away like a couple of
Speaker 3: the back rollers now in the competition on the other side,
Speaker 3: Ali Katoa, Villiarmi kickl on the left.
Speaker 1: Yeah, even like Jake Preston.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a weapon.
Speaker 1: He could play, but not not the mold of that Katoa.
Speaker 1: And but he's smart to know how Yeah yeah, but
Speaker 1: just goes hard to like. But Amole, I feel like
Speaker 1: this year he's got he's got a work rate that
Speaker 1: he hasn't had the ye's gone. He's always been a
Speaker 1: game breaker, but you've seen the first few rounds like
Speaker 1: his defensive efforts like he's he's not it's not just
Speaker 1: blokes running at him and he's flogging him like he's
Speaker 1: chasing blokes and like just blokes are running sideways backwards
Speaker 1: get away from him.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I thought a really good sign in the off
Speaker 3: season was when they promoted him to vice captain or
Speaker 3: part of the leadership group. So it must have shown
Speaker 3: how much work he's put in over the last couple
Speaker 3: of years under Seves and he must have had I'd
Speaker 3: imagine it would have been disrupted did he play for Tonga,
Speaker 3: he would have. Yeah, so he must have had a
Speaker 3: really good January February gone into the season because that
Speaker 3: was announced, And yeah, a great sign for Hemole and
Speaker 3: chairs on that right. Edgewall currently.
Speaker 2: The rooster, but he not love with I look at Himlee,
Speaker 2: and I think to myself, like at the moment, it's
Speaker 2: feed to Malee early. He wants the ball early. But
Speaker 2: for him, if he takes that next step in his
Speaker 2: career and actually starts to take a leaf out of
Speaker 2: say Preston or Britain Nicker's book and actually start to
Speaker 2: whack mate, honestly, he's unstoppable. Like you saw the difference
Speaker 2: a few years ago with David Feeder operating on that left,
Speaker 2: and he was a player just like, oh, give me
Speaker 2: the ball early, and then all of a sudden he
Speaker 2: had a really good twelve months because he had Kieran
Speaker 2: foran teaching about the science of the game, you know,
Speaker 2: and that's that's like Preston, Jacob Preston. Would he survive
Speaker 2: if he just kept getting the ball early? You know? Maybe,
Speaker 2: but would he be as good to play it? No
Speaker 2: way in the world. It's learning that sort of science
Speaker 2: of the game with a lot of players. It's next step.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much did like you've played with Chas, how
Speaker 1: much of an impact does Chess have for his back rollers?
Speaker 3: Because I imagine it was tough. I really struggled because
Speaker 3: I started with Kieren on the left, so when I
Speaker 3: was on the left, Kieran as you know, like it
Speaker 3: was krying it there as well for us here.
Speaker 1: He just got to the Titans. H have some salary
Speaker 1: cap for me.
Speaker 3: Big money signing from the Dylan Brown of Manly. Fozzy
Speaker 3: was so detailed prepared before games and then would even
Speaker 3: just see cues as the game was on flowing, so
Speaker 3: he might tell me becuzzy you're going to be getting
Speaker 3: it mad He get it, Maddi's inside shoulder. A couple
Speaker 3: of plays before we're going to I want you to
Speaker 3: lay that line, but we've got something else coming to
Speaker 3: the right. So I was like, always had a plan
Speaker 3: with fozz with chairs. There was none of that, and
Speaker 3: that was maybe it's changed over time. He's probably got
Speaker 3: better better at over the years, but I used to
Speaker 3: just have to react. And there was a couple of
Speaker 3: games we were really struggling, so Tubs and Dave Penner,
Speaker 3: where he was the assistant coach, He's like, here, you're
Speaker 3: going on the right and I said, oh, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's just trying to figure it out, but yeah, we'll
Speaker 3: get there. And they said, oh, well it's not working.
Speaker 3: We're going to flick your back over to the left.
Speaker 3: So I spent some time back on the left, and
Speaker 3: then out of necessity, i'd actually been sort of just
Speaker 3: fell out of favor a little bit in fifteen, and
Speaker 3: then in order to get myself back in the team,
Speaker 3: I had to play on the right. And I actually
Speaker 3: ended up fitting finishing twenty fifteen really good with him,
Speaker 3: because I started to realize, all right, you just got
Speaker 3: to be ready for everything. It's not. It's not like
Speaker 3: Fozz so his mannerisms and and you know he'd start
Speaker 3: sharp as he looks like he's about to tack in
Speaker 3: behind the markers, but then he'd kick out. All right,
Speaker 3: So now I'm dropping under. Just little things like that
Speaker 3: I got, I had to get better at. And it's
Speaker 3: a little bit different, like I said, a little bit different.
Speaker 1: With Yeah, I always found that. I found that very
Speaker 1: surprising when I got to mainly like for someone who
Speaker 1: you know, played Australia, played Origin, Chez wasn't a big
Speaker 1: like of community, a communicator for what he was going
Speaker 1: to do. He was just so off the cuff and
Speaker 1: it was like you the players around him need to
Speaker 1: know what he's going to do. Like he's still very
Speaker 1: much like that, Like you know, he would just float
Speaker 1: and he's so good. He's got such a good iq
Speaker 1: of just reacting to the defense, which a lot of
Speaker 1: people don't. Munster's got that. Remember when Trent le Aero
Speaker 1: first went into first grade, he played on the left
Speaker 1: edge with Munster and they really struggled for the year
Speaker 1: because Trent was someone that needed to know like I'll
Speaker 1: do whatever you tell me, but I need to know,
Speaker 1: like what you need to tell me, and Money go yeah, yah,
Speaker 1: sweet and wouldn't tell anything and then just take off, yeah,
Speaker 1: and then just take off and like he just do.
Speaker 1: We used to call it mun ball, which is like
Speaker 1: only not even mone knows what he's doing, So how's
Speaker 1: the defense going to know? But then Train obviously moved
Speaker 1: into the middle and he was like, oh, I found
Speaker 1: my game. So it benefited me so much more because
Speaker 1: in the middle it's so stocked, standard structured. But you
Speaker 1: see Sean Blaher on that left edge. Now he's very
Speaker 1: good at reacting to what Money does.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what makes a great combination, isn't it. Like
Speaker 2: if you look at Chairs and Kieran. You've got Kieran
Speaker 2: who can set structure up and tell you who's getting
Speaker 2: to it and be really thorough. And then on the
Speaker 2: other side of the field you got a wild a
Speaker 2: maverick who just jumps around. You can find that happy
Speaker 2: you meet him in Melbourne twenty seventeen. He had Cooper
Speaker 2: Krank operating around the field and you had Munster who
Speaker 2: was just playing completely on instinct. It's a great combination.
Speaker 2: Otherwise you've got two halves here trying to play halfback.
Speaker 3: That's why. So before I moved over there, that was
Speaker 3: the year that Gift he had moved on Glenn Stewart.
Speaker 3: So Glenn Steward and Jamie Lyon that was his right
Speaker 3: edge to begin his career. They're just out and out
Speaker 3: footy players. Yes, Like I've seen you talk about him
Speaker 3: before Matty in years past. Like they were just really
Speaker 3: like top tier park footy players. You know, they play
Speaker 3: exactly what's in front of him. So like Glenn Stewart
Speaker 3: had a few moves that he would work each game,
Speaker 3: but off you know, those three on that right edge,
Speaker 3: whatever they've seen and if it was if they got numbers,
Speaker 3: it didn't it didn't matter. No one had to felt
Speaker 3: like they didn't have to say anything and they were
Speaker 3: just in sync and they'll just take like they'll just
Speaker 3: go after it mate.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was so good for Dali when he
Speaker 2: got in there. You have for Blake's a great running game.
Speaker 2: I have the advantage line, you know, dip out if
Speaker 2: he likes what he sees, take him on if he
Speaker 2: doesn't feed Glenn early, Yep, it's a great way.
Speaker 3: Glenn would just sit there. We used to have a playoff.
Speaker 3: What was called still maybe something like Freshly short side
Speaker 3: fresh or something. We used to sit there and imagine
Speaker 3: they've changed the name now. Glenn would sit there three
Speaker 3: on three and then you know, if he got three
Speaker 3: on three or even two, like they're taking it, but
Speaker 3: he'd just go, Chess, let's go. And then Chess would
Speaker 3: just start ripping from the open side of the plate
Speaker 3: down the short side, and then I just crowded. And
Speaker 3: then you know that silky little play that used to
Speaker 3: do at the back of the center that was just
Speaker 3: always off the calf. That wasn't that was never planned really,
Speaker 3: that was just whatever Gifty saying did.
Speaker 1: Imagine like when you're doing edge v edge of training,
Speaker 1: if you're on the left edge defending those four was
Speaker 1: that just a nightmare?
Speaker 3: It was the best. Like that's why improved so much
Speaker 3: in thirteen and fourteen, Like I just learned how to
Speaker 3: play like rugby league, even though I couldn't execute the
Speaker 3: same as what those those guys did. It was just
Speaker 3: learning the game. So like there was and the battle
Speaker 3: between Stevie Mattowe and Jamie Lyon, they used to be
Speaker 3: really competitive against each other. So training, you know, I
Speaker 3: always say this all the time, like training sessions were
Speaker 3: harder than games. Sometimes wow, Like it was just on
Speaker 3: and it was a great environment and I'd just be
Speaker 3: observing everything and just trying to you know, I try
Speaker 3: to do those moooths. I said, you enjoy a little
Speaker 3: short side fresh of this week and you get like
Speaker 3: just put it in the back pocket, even the tools. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just from me inside three men.
Speaker 2: Look at Jamie Lyne. I haven't seen many more pure
Speaker 2: footballers than killer. I mean you're talking about dad, like
Speaker 2: James Draham. I've said before it turned up when he
Speaker 2: turned up a Saint Helen's from we wore they went
Speaker 2: look at this blog and they did fitness and he
Speaker 2: was so far behind everyone. But as soon as the
Speaker 2: ball hit his hands over her and went sheesus Christy with.
Speaker 3: This bloke played against him for a couple of years
Speaker 3: before we got there. He's a player that I didn't
Speaker 3: appreciate enough until I got there. Just a really good
Speaker 3: gym and really good locker room guy. He's obviously our skipper,
Speaker 3: but just yeah, he dusted us up so much on
Speaker 3: that left first right, just training, just doing little moves
Speaker 3: and subtleties that you're just like, wow, Like I got
Speaker 3: to see it every pretty much every week.
Speaker 2: You know what about the market at the moment we're
Speaker 2: talking about this before the podcast, and you know, like
Speaker 2: the DCE situation, which we've spoken about, don't I spoke
Speaker 2: to you a bit. It's when we're on the radio
Speaker 2: to say, there are so few quality pure number seven's
Speaker 2: out there that I thought there is no way that
Speaker 2: mainly are going to allow him to wander out the
Speaker 2: door if someone pinch him. And now what the Dylan
Speaker 2: Brown contractor has done to the rest of the market
Speaker 2: suddenly got locky Galvin, some people saying five years, a
Speaker 2: million dollars a year lock He must be going Jesus,
Speaker 2: I could just sit on my ars and my price
Speaker 2: is going to go up. And then you've got a
Speaker 2: little bit of a story. The Fletch said to me,
Speaker 2: as we're recording this just recently on Isaiah Atoa. That
Speaker 2: might be proven wrong as this is put out, but
Speaker 2: talk that he's unsettled at the Dolphins, well, the reason
Speaker 2: he's unsettled just to say his managers had to look
Speaker 2: at the money going around and thought to himself, mate,
Speaker 2: I could probably get one point three A mean one
Speaker 2: point three million a year for Isaiah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially because I've seen the clip when you're
Speaker 3: talking to Fletch about it. He just did his deal too,
Speaker 3: So there might be a little bit of frustration from
Speaker 3: not only the players if they've just got a deal
Speaker 3: done because of the Dylan Brown situation, but even the
Speaker 3: manager's gone Jesus could have put it a little bit
Speaker 3: more or how can we figure out a way to
Speaker 3: sort of get this reupt.
Speaker 2: Because he is a player. They just can't let go
Speaker 2: no Dolphins, so they have to find any means possible
Speaker 2: to keep him in that club.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the hearts coming through in the
Speaker 1: next five years when your Chess's and that sort of
Speaker 1: the leaders that are in there now, Monster's hues he
Speaker 1: come towards the end, it's Katowa Galvant like, they're going
Speaker 1: to be the next you know, they're going to be
Speaker 1: the next Origin Stars. And if you don't retain those blokes,
Speaker 1: now there's going to be They're going to be in
Speaker 1: a world I heard for ten years who is playing
Speaker 1: against them?
Speaker 2: But you know, on the manly situation again with DC,
Speaker 2: what has confirmed probably the madness of letting him go
Speaker 2: is have a look at the difference and this guy
Speaker 2: is not a seven, but he's a clever player operates
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. Have look at the
Speaker 2: difference that Dylan Walker made when he came on the
Speaker 2: field the other day from Aramund. Immediately he got into
Speaker 2: that middle field, he alleviated the pressure off Hawkins and
Speaker 2: Dylan Brown and make his past selection. Everything changed, the
Speaker 2: tempo of their attackers went through the roof. That's purely experienced.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's a free Dan Brown end up running
Speaker 3: about eighteen times off the back of that.
Speaker 2: Didn't he make You just saw the difference scope because
Speaker 2: he just took the pressure of him as far as
Speaker 2: decision making and pushing the side around the park.
Speaker 1: Hey, going back to let's go back to into your
Speaker 1: VID of your career for a sec. Started a paramount
Speaker 1: up some of the players that you played with, because
Speaker 1: the I think the skipper when you were there was
Speaker 1: Matthew's colleague Nathan hein Marsh.
Speaker 3: The first year was Kaylo Nathan Caylis and then Heindi
Speaker 3: eleven twelve.
Speaker 1: What was because Heindi is a Matthew, He's a look
Speaker 1: he was an outstanding player three hundred gamer, but his
Speaker 1: personality I find he would have been a very strange
Speaker 1: sort of captain mate.
Speaker 3: I was always all right with Heindi. For some reason,
Speaker 3: he was hard on younger guys, like he was a
Speaker 3: bit of an old school.
Speaker 2: Very old school guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he tries to keep it up now on
Speaker 3: the show sometimes with players. I don't know how to
Speaker 3: explain it. I don't know, because I'd spent a lot
Speaker 3: of similar to you guys, Coop and Jack, because you
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time around n ROL players. Because
Speaker 3: of my dad playing first grade, I probably didn't get
Speaker 3: as star struck early on that which some players go
Speaker 3: through when they you know, when they start off, they
Speaker 3: can be a bit tentative. So yeah, I never really
Speaker 3: felt like that with Heindy, but I used to see
Speaker 3: him sometimes. He used to put it on and and
Speaker 3: you know, he's the sort of guy to you know,
Speaker 3: might put someone on show but then give you a
Speaker 3: wink like when they walk past and all that sort
Speaker 3: of stuff. But yeah, he was mad. He was good.
Speaker 3: He was good. He was at the back end, a
Speaker 3: legend of the club. What's that that old award when
Speaker 3: it was like the fans voted.
Speaker 2: For him every single year, like he hated it getting
Speaker 2: club into They did not.
Speaker 3: Like it because then you know it was like, yeah,
Speaker 3: the nicest guy in the w Ward basically in which
Speaker 3: he was like he was, you know, he was a legend.
Speaker 3: He was really good to the fans. Unreal player. You know,
Speaker 3: the Premiership thing sucks for him, but you know he
Speaker 3: did everything else. But yeah, he was. He was good.
Speaker 3: I got I got along with him some of the
Speaker 3: other boys. You know, I took a little bit to
Speaker 3: get used to Haindi, but I was always We used
Speaker 3: to sit next to each other in the in the
Speaker 3: auditorium and we do like video sessions and that, and
Speaker 3: he says tell these like shitty little jokes. Weren't funny.
Speaker 2: He's not funny.
Speaker 3: It was not funny at all. But I'd laugh at
Speaker 3: how awkward it was, because you know, he's a three
Speaker 3: hundred game, he's an origin player, trying to get on
Speaker 3: his good side. He's trying to be quirky. And then
Speaker 3: it would just get crickets and I would just be going.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's quirky, and there's quirky. That's doubly quirky
Speaker 2: when you're sitting in there yard. God, that's not even funny.
Speaker 2: Here's the strangest opendons on things sometimes. Mind it. We'll
Speaker 2: get there on the show and he'll just say something
Speaker 2: before and I'll say, do you really mean that?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, mate, that's that's that's fair enough. Just
Speaker 2: go with it. It was a negative.
Speaker 1: One was Jared Haynes was he was there, a young
Speaker 1: Jared Haynes there as.
Speaker 3: Well with you Hainsey. So me and Haines were really
Speaker 3: close because we went to school together. And then also
Speaker 3: he lived with my family, so my parents were house
Speaker 3: parents with Paramatta for a six year period and when
Speaker 3: Hainesy first hit first grade, he was living in Campbelltown
Speaker 3: with his mother and it was too far to travel,
Speaker 3: so they moved him in with our family, and yeah,
Speaker 3: he went on that crazy run he moved. So he
Speaker 3: lived two thousand and seven and eight with us and
Speaker 3: then O nine was the.
Speaker 2: D M Ye yeah, yeah right, that was incredible nine
Speaker 2: watching him at start of that year. Dean Leanson played
Speaker 2: him at six. I believe he was playing him at six,
Speaker 2: And we commentated a game one night and like scope,
Speaker 2: he was uninterested, like he was standing out there like
Speaker 2: I've been watching the game. Game, mate, look at the talent.
Speaker 2: This guy is completely wasting the talent that God gave him.
Speaker 2: And then they moved him back to fullback halfway through
Speaker 2: the season. Jesus tear. What you talk about greatest runs?
Speaker 2: He Calen Pong, Barber, Ben Barber, Tommy Turbo and I
Speaker 2: think I think that is the greatest run I've ever seen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you go maybe probably further in the
Speaker 3: year than Turbo because it was like a ten week
Speaker 3: period with ains, right, Like the start of that year
Speaker 3: was pretty bad. Like I was in the full time
Speaker 3: squad at that time, so like people forget the start
Speaker 3: of the year, how the form was and probably you
Speaker 3: know what you're alluding to there, Maddy, But when he
Speaker 3: went on that run, that was there's probably no I
Speaker 3: haven't seen anything like that in my footy career. The
Speaker 3: energy around, like the crowds, you know, the one, the
Speaker 3: one that stands out is to the prelim final against
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs. That's the best atmosphere I've ever been involved in.
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even a player. I was just part
Speaker 3: of the squad at the time, so we all would
Speaker 3: get to you know, it's like you get you get
Speaker 3: tickets and you sit there and I remember looking around,
Speaker 3: I think it felt like it was one hundred thousand.
Speaker 3: I don't have to they brought it in by that
Speaker 3: stage at the call, but it was Bulldogs first Paramatta
Speaker 3: to go onto the Grand Final and it was electric
Speaker 3: and incredible. And that was the backer then and.
Speaker 1: D of the run of what hang fiery team like
Speaker 1: the fans of those two clubs are as fire as
Speaker 1: you get.
Speaker 2: Well, the Roosters at that point that week brought over
Speaker 2: a young South African kid. He was a fullback and
Speaker 2: they were trying to they were going to sign him,
Speaker 2: and I remember I was talking to Peter. It was
Speaker 2: Peter Solom and Bryan Smith at the time, and they
Speaker 2: brought him over here to just have a look and say, mate,
Speaker 2: run through some drills and we'll see what you think.
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, you know, you could see his
Speaker 2: very talent kid. Then they said we're going to what
Speaker 2: we're going to do tonight. We're going to take him
Speaker 2: to the Paramatta versus the Bulldogs and just tell him,
Speaker 2: I mate, this is just a normal game. Well it
Speaker 2: did the reverse. He went there with the nature of
Speaker 2: the crowd, how hostile it was, and then this type
Speaker 2: of game it was and when there's no fucking way
Speaker 2: I'm signing, I'm not sign I'm not signing. I'm going
Speaker 2: to need this game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you and you and dad actually shared a
Speaker 1: teammate crossing roads Tamana tahu Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I was looking when I was looking at that squad,
Speaker 1: but T would have been in the back end of
Speaker 1: his career there.
Speaker 3: He was the opposite behind you. He was really welcoming
Speaker 3: to all the young Easter. I felt like T went
Speaker 3: out of his way to make sure we all felt comfortable.
Speaker 3: And that sounds a baud if you just listening to
Speaker 3: the body now, but like there's a quirky side to
Speaker 3: what haines. He was in that old school manner, but
Speaker 3: I think T wanted to make sure, especially maybe being
Speaker 3: Kiwi as well, that was maybe a factor. But yeah,
Speaker 3: T was awesome, and I was very lucky because I
Speaker 3: went from Tamaara to Steve Maddeye in the centers and
Speaker 3: I was a back roller and I played on their edge,
Speaker 3: so there was a certain level of protection that I
Speaker 3: felt when I played with those two. But T was
Speaker 3: unreal and then we had a pretty cool moment. They
Speaker 3: must have got him back in twenty ten because then
Speaker 3: we played in the New Zealand Maltis together at the
Speaker 3: end of the year in an exhibition game and he
Speaker 3: was our captain. He was our co captain. Him and
Speaker 3: Clinton Torpy had never played for the New Multi before
Speaker 3: but at the back end of their career and they
Speaker 3: wanted to represent that side of their family. So yeah,
Speaker 3: that would have been twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Were talking about the good players there. Clinton Torby was
Speaker 2: some sort of player, but Timmarna like just just freakish.
Speaker 2: The presence he had on his edge. Now when he
Speaker 2: really matured as a player and he became as good
Speaker 2: in defense as attack made, the presence he had it
Speaker 2: was terrifying. Remember two thousand and seven, there was a
Speaker 2: Grand Final qualifier at the Telstradome whatever it's called, the
Speaker 2: Marvel Stadium down there, Paramatta versus Storm and two was
Speaker 2: against Israel and he just tore his role to pieces.
Speaker 2: Melbourne won the game, but Timarna was the best player
Speaker 2: in the field by mile. I remember at full time
Speaker 2: belly A went up and grabbed Timaa because it was
Speaker 2: Timara's last game three. He went back to Union just
Speaker 2: grabbed him and said, mate, I've fucking never seen a
Speaker 2: performance like that before he was.
Speaker 3: He was amazing because like we all like from your time, Matie,
Speaker 3: and you know when he started Newcastle he was this
Speaker 3: highlight reel on the on on the wing and the
Speaker 3: flick passes from kids and all that. By the time
Speaker 3: he got to us. I remember twenty ten. Actually there
Speaker 3: was a game where Sammy Burgess first year and he
Speaker 3: smokes Daniel Mortimer like proper, got him bad and then
Speaker 3: and he was our left he was my left edge
Speaker 3: half and then Tamarna went after and got Sammy your
Speaker 3: beauty in that game. Just there's a bit of a payback, yeah,
Speaker 3: because Sammy was a right edge back rower when he
Speaker 3: first got avery and then he I think maybe puts
Speaker 3: some moret he took it to the line. Sammy smokes
Speaker 3: him and then Tomato made sure he got payback for
Speaker 3: our age.
Speaker 1: We'll try to find that Jack, We'll try to get
Speaker 1: that vision. Is that the Eels in comparison to Manly
Speaker 1: You spoke about beers at Manly put on a little
Speaker 1: bit of weight. Is it work hard? Play hard? Because
Speaker 1: there's so many different cultures of different teams based on
Speaker 1: you know, the players you got in and the culture
Speaker 1: of the club manly is very much like that. You
Speaker 1: train hard, but you get on the beers with all
Speaker 1: the boys. Was paramatta like that, No, No, it was opposite.
Speaker 1: It was another way around. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, the year so that because Steve come from Melbourne
Speaker 3: and he was trying to implement the Melbourne way, he's
Speaker 3: a lot more detailed. The first year was a little
Speaker 3: bit loose, not loose as in probably wasn't as strict
Speaker 3: and we enjoyed a beer. Like my first year felt like,
Speaker 3: you know, we had some good times and you know,
Speaker 3: I'm a rookie and going out and enjoying all that
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. Then Steve Kerney arrived and he had
Speaker 3: a strict no drinking policy after the game. So no
Speaker 3: matter wherever we went, if we traveled, we never went
Speaker 3: out and you weren't allowed to have terms. You recover
Speaker 3: in the morning, you do recovery, so completely different regime.
Speaker 1: So with that, so not even with that meaning you
Speaker 1: go the whole year basically without drinking.
Speaker 3: The whole the whole You could have a drink on
Speaker 3: the following day if the schedule allowed it. But he
Speaker 3: was pretty like Steve was pretty full.
Speaker 2: I think that can be counteractive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it's like and letting people know that
Speaker 1: rarely do you get seven day eight day turnarounds. When
Speaker 1: you do get him, you're like, far, this is awesome.
Speaker 1: We can have a beer, which is like if you
Speaker 1: play Saturday the following Saturday, so to push it back
Speaker 1: another day, you're not allowed to drink after the game.
Speaker 1: There'd probably only be three times a year.
Speaker 3: Like, we're young too, so we had some rap bags
Speaker 3: in the team, well, sneaking away, having.
Speaker 1: A skin feel free to throw on the bus, but.
Speaker 3: We weren't ready. Matur Wren was leading the way. You
Speaker 3: can't get in trouble now, so there was a laugh
Speaker 3: at it now. Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a
Speaker 3: bit of a game where you know, I would break
Speaker 3: away and you know then you know, try to test
Speaker 3: the rules as much as and and look, you think
Speaker 3: you getting away with it too at the time because
Speaker 3: you're young, and they know, like they're finding out when
Speaker 3: we're sneaking off to the cross or something after a
Speaker 3: game when we're not supposed to, and there's a certain
Speaker 3: amount of rules. But yeah, that was the rule though,
Speaker 3: and and and yeah, those a couple of rough years.
Speaker 3: We weren't winning games as well, so as you know,
Speaker 3: as you know, sometimes you know, after after a loss,
Speaker 3: sometimes you just want to have a schooner and just
Speaker 3: get some stuff off your chest and with others.
Speaker 1: Sometimes the answer is that the bottom of the of
Speaker 1: like a bottle.
Speaker 2: Literally Saturday Night Live, a couple of beers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shane Gillis, Shane Gillis the other one a little bump.
Speaker 1: Not that we can done that sort of thing, absolutely not, no, no,
Speaker 1: But I remember when we were at Melbourne, same thing,
Speaker 1: a few rat like we had a little bit of
Speaker 1: a rat pack and we go out like, no, you're
Speaker 1: not supposed to go out seven day turnaround sometimes, you know,
Speaker 1: let's go out six day turnarounds. We're supposed to review
Speaker 1: the next day. And we go out. Now stupid to us,
Speaker 1: we go to the one place that we're really hooked
Speaker 1: up at and that was the Albion in South Melbourne
Speaker 1: because Robbie Kerns was part owner of it. So the
Speaker 1: Kurrn Dog, we ring the kern Dog. He's at home
Speaker 1: having dinner with his family mate. You get us in yeah,
Speaker 1: by the Oath boys, like like we thought we were
Speaker 1: going to get away with it when we're going to
Speaker 1: an old Player's Club who was still employed by the club,
Speaker 1: and we'd roll in the next day, all we winking
Speaker 1: at each other, like telling stories to the locker room.
Speaker 1: We'd go up to the video session and then then
Speaker 1: be like, hey, yeah, can I can Coops Munster, Harry Brandon,
Speaker 1: Can you guys just stay back as well? And we're going, Oh, ship,
Speaker 1: you think.
Speaker 3: You're getting away with it when you're winning too, right,
Speaker 3: if you're winning, you think you can sneak in there
Speaker 3: and then and then you're just like, there's no way
Speaker 3: we're getting away with it. But you're young, naive, You're naive, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you don't. You're good too much, good fun.
Speaker 1: So what were the circumstances and going to mamily then?
Speaker 1: Were you let go buy eels or do you do?
Speaker 1: You just go for it.
Speaker 3: I've got the punt. I got the punt from Sticky,
Speaker 3: So join the club, Ricky. Yeah, this is this is
Speaker 3: one of my like one of my most famous stories
Speaker 3: that I've told on podcasts now over the years. But
Speaker 3: we'll pretend like, yeah, first this is the first time
Speaker 3: for you guys, so and your audience potentially, but do
Speaker 3: you remember the story about Ricky Stewart having the board
Speaker 3: up the head projector the projector and it was like
Speaker 3: nine names on it, and he's like, you guys, you
Speaker 3: know you're not required at the club. Did it all
Speaker 3: together in front of the players as well, that where
Speaker 3: that was still going to stay at the club, and yeah,
Speaker 3: so if you can find another spot, yep, so go
Speaker 3: chat to your managers. You're not going to be required
Speaker 3: next year probably, I think it was even you can
Speaker 3: go as as quickly as you want anyway, So that
Speaker 3: was a whole big deal. I was. I was pre board,
Speaker 3: so I was. He punted me before he'd even rocked up,
Speaker 3: so before he'd got to the club, he had to
Speaker 3: get there and see you know, nine or ten players
Speaker 3: and figure out all right, I don't want anything to
Speaker 3: do that.
Speaker 2: So you were p o G.
Speaker 3: You were pre overhead, pre overhead, pre overhead. So he
Speaker 3: just called my manager before it even arrived at the club,
Speaker 3: hadn't had a conversation with us, and then goes, look,
Speaker 3: he's not he's just going to be playing yourself wells
Speaker 3: Cup next year. If you want to find a gig
Speaker 3: and all that, then you can you can do that.
Speaker 3: So it was a blessing in disguise It worked out
Speaker 3: really well for me because I went to Manly. But
Speaker 3: there was a period of about two months where because
Speaker 3: he was so and I respected that about him now
Speaker 3: like whether he meant that for me to to go
Speaker 3: on to greener pastures or whatever it was. But because
Speaker 3: I got clarity so early on, I could make the
Speaker 3: decision go to Manly. It worked out really well for
Speaker 3: me in hindsight, went to the Grand Final the next
Speaker 3: year after I wouldn't spoon year the year before, so
Speaker 3: it gave me the time to sort of plan and
Speaker 3: figure it out. But the two months from about maybe
Speaker 3: July into October, I didn't have a club, so I
Speaker 3: was like every under started back preseason and I wasn't
Speaker 3: back doing Like I didn't have a club and I
Speaker 3: was going to probably go to Super League early, so
Speaker 3: got to figure it out, got to Manly and yeah
Speaker 3: it worked out really well.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, because Twos was your coach the whole What
Speaker 1: about Twos?
Speaker 2: Like how close I was sitting there before the twenty
Speaker 2: thirteen Grand Final, you placed leading in a half time. Now,
Speaker 2: if you're going to win that game, which looked very likely,
Speaker 2: that halftime is by far the better team, Like where
Speaker 2: where does twos. What's twos doing now? I mean that
Speaker 2: second half. It just shows you how quickly things change.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even like Brad Arthur right from a couple of
Speaker 3: years ago. You know, he gets like different circumstances, he
Speaker 3: gets dusted, but then he's gone within a year or two.
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about that scope playing for Paramatter,
Speaker 2: do you feel the pressure?
Speaker 3: Probably not to my level, because but I understand I know,
Speaker 3: like the top tier guys did I know, like Jared Felder,
Speaker 3: obviously he stands out. He was not only an important
Speaker 3: player for Paramatter but league wide, especially when I made
Speaker 3: that decision to go to the NFL. Now, just because
Speaker 3: I guess my level will play like where I stood
Speaker 3: in the locker room, I always just knew that like
Speaker 3: I was, the pressure for me was fighting to make
Speaker 3: the seventeen each week, So I always had that pressure
Speaker 3: every week. I didn't really feel any external pressure around
Speaker 3: club pressure or anything like that, even though I understood
Speaker 3: the history because my dad was a Paramatter, he will
Speaker 3: play it too, So I understood the history, but not
Speaker 3: the pressure to just sort of live up to any
Speaker 3: expectations or the long drought of what parody Matter had
Speaker 3: gone through.
Speaker 2: It's the most boom it will bust club in the league.
Speaker 2: If you go back certain years, like two thousand and
Speaker 2: one they made the Grand Final, they dropped off from
Speaker 2: there the golfs one like two thousand and two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine and twenty ten, dramatic drop off and we've
Speaker 2: we're like twenty twenty two they made the Grand Final
Speaker 2: against Penrith and the next two years after that really
Speaker 2: again dramatic drop off.
Speaker 3: They miss it the eight and then battling for the
Speaker 3: spoon in twenty four. Man, it's crazy how it just
Speaker 3: that happens like that. Yeah, it really is.
Speaker 2: How some sides just maintain and others just golf a cliff.
Speaker 2: That's the end of part one, right that, time to
Speaker 2: jump over for part two, which I hope you enjoy
Speaker 2: every bit as much I know you will.