WEBVTT - Justin 'Scope' Horo | Part 1 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:03.320 I'm I'm the most I'm becoming the most organized over data? 0:00:03.360 --> 0:00:04.000 Is that right, Dake? 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:05.640 How many can I'll get on my plate? 0:00:05.800 --> 0:00:07.160 You know what else is on my plate? Bro? 0:00:08.080 --> 0:00:09.039 This is running by the way. 0:00:09.200 --> 0:00:09.440 Yeah. 0:00:09.440 --> 0:00:11.399 What about that alarm clock that goes off every morning 0:00:11.400 --> 0:00:13.160 on four thirty and keeps up? 0:00:13.240 --> 0:00:14.760 I know that I did it for years? 0:00:15.040 --> 0:00:16.400 Yeah, I know you don't do it now though? 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:18.160 Did it go off at four thirty this morning? A 0:00:18.200 --> 0:00:18.759 little bit later? 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:25.520 A little bit later? I shouldn't have dog do that. 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:29.240 We're starting to get out. Let's do a big emotional 0:00:29.280 --> 0:00:32.919 intro that we do for everyone justin Horror aka Scope 0:00:34.159 --> 0:00:40.800 Eels Legend mainly Seagle's Legend media behemoth doing excellent. 0:00:40.440 --> 0:00:43.360 Emerging, Yeah, emerging behind the Darth Vader that his dent 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:44.000 and camp. 0:00:46.400 --> 0:00:48.760 But welcome to the potty mate, Thanks boys, thanks for having me. 0:00:49.920 --> 0:00:50.600 Good on your mate? 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.520 Yeah yeah, because you know it wasn't an easy drive 0:00:52.560 --> 0:00:54.440 over it. You were saying that, and you've invoiced just 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.760 for the fuel that you need to come over here. 0:00:56.560 --> 0:00:58.040 The tolls, you. 0:00:58.000 --> 0:01:01.400 Know, I'll settle for an uppercrust pie. Oh yeah, mate, 0:01:01.480 --> 0:01:03.280 that was so. I used to just live around the 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.559 corner in my first year of Manly and a freaking 0:01:06.640 --> 0:01:09.200 that frequent that a couple of times after a big night. 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:09.920 How good is that? 0:01:10.080 --> 0:01:13.119 A few beers in the next morning, a Sunday morning. Nothing, Yeah, 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.560 what type of pie? What you get? The chicken and 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:16.319 white wine? One? 0:01:16.480 --> 0:01:17.480 Oh, white wine? 0:01:18.400 --> 0:01:20.440 Yeah, I'm a steak, onion and cheese. 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:22.920 I a steak and cheese would be one number two. 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.000 I don't hate it, but just nice and simple for 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.920 the pie. In saying that chicken and white one probably 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:35.240 not not simple for people, but it was the signature one. 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.160 So when I got Overary, everyone told me you've got 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:39.039 to try it, and then obviously it was. 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:42.560 Yeah, yeah, letting people know if you want the best pie, 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:46.720 I think in New South Wales, upper crust, the northern but. 0:01:46.840 --> 0:01:49.840 It's got best pie in Australia three years running. Yeah wow, 0:01:50.600 --> 0:01:52.480 your suit on the side, I'm sorry, you can't spell. 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.160 When you go past the site, the side of the premise. 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.320 It does they advertise it. When you go up there 0:01:58.320 --> 0:02:00.800 at lunch time like any any day of the week, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.200 still packed mate, line around the corner like literally for 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.160 so long, and it's like you've got to get there. 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:09.239 Don't go between eleven thirty and twelve thirty. I'm gonna 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:11.079 tell you something because you like, you'll be line enough 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:14.600 for ages. What else they do? Excellent stuff apple pie 0:02:14.840 --> 0:02:19.000 with whipped cream on top of Okay, yeah, yeah, it's seriously. 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.320 If I was going to mix it up spinach and recorder, 0:02:22.840 --> 0:02:25.079 I don't want just like a nice spinach and recorder roll. 0:02:25.200 --> 0:02:28.959 So that was another option. Sometimes a pie and a spinach. Yeah, 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:29.920 just depend on. 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:32.960 I forgot to carry. I like the carry pies. I've 0:02:33.000 --> 0:02:34.680 just got into them, and the paper steak pies. But 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:36.240 carry pies I'm sick for it. 0:02:36.240 --> 0:02:38.120 Curry ones are really good. I find it weird that 0:02:38.200 --> 0:02:40.560 like we're the only well not the only one, but 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.720 we're one of the only countries that really like does 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.359 the pie because America don't that you call it to 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:49.720 mining thing a pie in America. It's like that pumpkin 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:50.720 pie and things like that. 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:53.440 The areas that have had a tradition of coal mining 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:58.480 have pies because the pie originally the pastry that was 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.080 just a cover for what's had within the pie when 0:03:01.120 --> 0:03:03.320 they go down the coal mines, So it was to 0:03:03.400 --> 0:03:06.120 protect whatever was in So back in the day they 0:03:06.120 --> 0:03:07.880 would open up the pastry and not in the pastry 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:10.440 just so it's just like a lead inside. It was. 0:03:10.560 --> 0:03:13.000 It was basically, yeah, like the lid removes the lid 0:03:13.040 --> 0:03:16.000 and then the contents to protect from the gold the 0:03:16.280 --> 0:03:16.800 coal dust. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:18.640 Really so is there any. 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:21.440 And then someone along the somewhere along the way, someone 0:03:21.520 --> 0:03:23.799 decided this is the whole thing. It's the same with 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.640 battered fish. The batter on a fish was to protect 0:03:28.160 --> 0:03:29.799 the fish when they went down the mines. 0:03:29.880 --> 0:03:30.240 Yeah. Wow. 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.760 Because New Zealand do good pies too, Yeah, really good, 0:03:33.120 --> 0:03:33.760 really good one. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:33.960 There. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:36.880 Will Warbrick when he came over to Storm from New 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.640 Zealand used to say, whenever we go get a pie, boys, 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:42.880 and he goes Naji, the pies in New Zealand the 0:03:42.920 --> 0:03:47.600 way way better in New Zealand. Just be like grateful 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.160 for the pie you're eating right now. 0:03:49.200 --> 0:03:51.560 A lot of Kiwis will back that up, like Kiwi's 0:03:51.760 --> 0:03:56.640 that's bakeries and fish and seafood. They're going to claim that. 0:03:56.880 --> 0:03:58.880 Yeah, they take it personally, they do. 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:03.360 Yeah, Will Water. The seventh player for all bakes. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.440 Moses Leo, who's debut A Couples. 0:04:05.600 --> 0:04:08.360 Good to see him get a start, Yeah, really good. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:10.880 The more that come across the more that we'll come across. 0:04:11.120 --> 0:04:14.560 That makes sense, correct, Yeah, yeah, setting a standard. 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:17.880 It's got nothing to do with setting a standard, setting a. 0:04:17.839 --> 0:04:19.280 Trend trend exactly. 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:19.720 Mate. 0:04:19.720 --> 0:04:21.800 We had Cheese on the podcast a little bit ago 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:24.480 and we told some good Byron Bay stories. Your name 0:04:24.520 --> 0:04:26.600 come up a couple of times because, of course when 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:29.000 we went to Byron Bay after the twenty twenty Grand Final, 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:31.960 you were up there as well with a little crew. 0:04:32.640 --> 0:04:34.800 Some good memories. I remember you were up there with 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:39.040 Corey Norman, James c Giaro, Chicko. 0:04:38.760 --> 0:04:41.520 Was Chicka, Yes, Chico was there in a different group, 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:42.080 but yeah. 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:44.200 The same year he was up there and Maddie Moylan. 0:04:44.000 --> 0:04:49.560 And Moya so our crew, so Toddy Carney was there 0:04:49.560 --> 0:04:53.920 as well, and maybe there was like a Chicko become 0:04:53.960 --> 0:04:55.720 really good mates with these boys from Cranella and I 0:04:55.760 --> 0:04:58.400 believe one of them was either on their bucks or 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.000 something like that going up So me, Normany and moys 0:05:02.000 --> 0:05:03.720 that jumped on last minute and just got our own 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.360 little place and then we end up running to you 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:08.240 guys and yeah, and then could jump it on the 0:05:08.320 --> 0:05:09.960 back end of jumping on. 0:05:10.960 --> 0:05:13.600 It was funny, remember we were because it was Melbourne Cup. 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.240 It was to remember we were there Melbourne Cup. We 0:05:16.320 --> 0:05:19.560 ended up we all bought like blazers, like two dollars 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:21.680 up shot blazers and we went to this pub Drumswick 0:05:21.680 --> 0:05:23.720 Hotel or something like that that was and we watched 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:25.919 the Melbourne Cup. We had a massive day and we 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.440 come out of the pub and they were remember the 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.480 group of homeless people that were sitting there and they 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:37.200 all had instruments. No, they were homeless. They were sitting 0:05:37.240 --> 0:05:38.960 on milk crates that doesn't move. 0:05:38.960 --> 0:05:39.560 They're homeless. 0:05:39.960 --> 0:05:40.800 Yeah maybe I don't know. 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:43.520 But we didn't clarify that, did we. But we just 0:05:43.560 --> 0:05:45.560 started you just started getting the gate out. You didn't 0:05:45.560 --> 0:05:46.080 you grab one of. 0:05:46.080 --> 0:05:49.080 The the guitar with him because Cheese was like, that's 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.440 who Cheese running and goes bra there's a group of 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:53.680 homeless people out there and they've got a guitar. And 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:54.760 he knew I played a little bit. 0:05:54.800 --> 0:05:55.440 He goes, let's go. 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:59.200 So we went out there and we started playing Better 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.640 be Home soon a crowded house and. 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.719 For people who haven't got home, I know, for the homeless. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:08.479 And remember there was the guy playing like the flute 0:06:08.760 --> 0:06:11.400 and all you boys were sitting there in arms seeing 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.200 and it was a great night, mate, that was a 0:06:14.240 --> 0:06:16.760 great moment, Like, yeah, the day was awesome, but I 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:19.640 remember sitting around. I think I've got it recorded for sure, 0:06:19.760 --> 0:06:22.280 I remember. And then and then it not only went 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:24.520 from there. We all got in the van and some 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:27.440 sort of uber system together and we're just bounting out 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:30.400 songs like oas this Wonder War on the on the 0:06:30.440 --> 0:06:32.200 way home. It was Yeah, that was a that was 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:33.920 a good little and yeah, I think it was off 0:06:33.960 --> 0:06:34.960 the back of the Melbourne Cup. 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:38.880 So yeah, better be home soon. It should have been 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:40.120 hope to get her home soon. 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:42.560 Well, the rest of us were okay. 0:06:43.800 --> 0:06:44.080 Soon. 0:06:44.320 --> 0:06:47.400 But remember normally as well. Jack actually reminded me when 0:06:47.400 --> 0:06:49.680 I was when we were talking about Byron storys before this, 0:06:50.720 --> 0:06:52.960 I believe did normally like have a bit of an 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:58.200 accident that trip as well, like urinated the bed. 0:06:58.880 --> 0:07:03.240 That's something like and and yeah, that's something normal would 0:07:03.279 --> 0:07:05.479 do though, so that doesn't stand out like even though 0:07:05.520 --> 0:07:09.359 that's like a story for Byron, potentially that's something he 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:11.400 would be doing. Jackie, you from memory. 0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.960 He stayed at our place and we had the double 0:07:14.960 --> 0:07:17.360 mattress downstairs. It was a mattress on top of a 0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:20.320 lounge that he'd fit on, and I believe he pissed 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:22.160 the He pissed the bed so much that night that 0:07:22.160 --> 0:07:24.720 there was actually it went through both mattresses and there 0:07:24.720 --> 0:07:27.040 was a puddle of piss underneath the double mattress. 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:27.440 It was. 0:07:28.360 --> 0:07:29.040 It was awesome. 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:31.040 That's why I don't remember it, because we'd come over 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:33.120 the next day and I sort of didn't have as 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:36.000 big one as Normy obviously, and you guys and he 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.480 crashed at your place, Me and Moyser come over in 0:07:39.520 --> 0:07:43.880 the morning to potentially and I remember you were going, 0:07:45.160 --> 0:07:48.880 come on, like he's been here for a while. He 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.560 wouldn't that homeless crew. 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:53.400 That was the night that one of my favorite memories 0:07:53.400 --> 0:07:56.800 of it, where I was sitting there. It was me, me, 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.760 Shandle and Normy and somebody we all our shirts off, 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:04.560 sitting behind like the table, playing music, and somebody go, 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.120 I think it was Connor Watson. Connor Watson goes, hey, 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.640 look that's Shandor. That's Shandor at twenty one. That's Shandor 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:12.880 at thirty one, pointing to Shandal that and then points 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:14.840 at normal and goes and that's Shandor at forty one 0:08:15.640 --> 0:08:18.280 and everyone was laughing. Everyone's laughing and Shandor lent in 0:08:18.360 --> 0:08:20.960 to Normy and he goes, I will never not have abs. 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:25.000 Everyone needs to call him because he had normally had 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:28.200 that just notorious pot belly. Yeah mutters, Yeah, it would 0:08:28.240 --> 0:08:30.000 have never had a never had a set. 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:32.640 That's what that's my nickname for him, mutters because the mudguts, 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:35.560 like he was the only one half in the game 0:08:35.720 --> 0:08:37.840 that could get away with the mudguts and still play 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:38.480 at a high level. 0:08:38.520 --> 0:08:40.040 There's a field and going around at the mat. It's 0:08:40.040 --> 0:08:44.199 a story in the Sport. Oh it's a big one. 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:47.080 It's a magazine associated with the New York Times, and 0:08:47.120 --> 0:08:51.120 they explained the dadboard off mahomes. They was saying that 0:08:51.160 --> 0:08:54.120 people who Cameron Smith's another one. Yep, he just said 0:08:54.120 --> 0:08:57.400 before Normy Cameron Munster. Cameron Munster in the fact that 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.440 they said, they're almost like a Swiss army and if 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.240 they can do it, a little bit of everything makes them. 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:05.440 Yeah, well, I remember money Munster said when he actually 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:09.199 lost weight and got people found it easier to tackle 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.720 it because he was so thick around the gut, like 0:09:12.880 --> 0:09:15.480 just from his poor diet habits at the time that 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:17.040 he was actually so hard to like, you know what 0:09:17.040 --> 0:09:18.640 it's like to try to wrestle someone. You try to 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:21.360 get double underhooks and then pop the loll back. He 0:09:21.480 --> 0:09:23.640 was so thick that you couldn't pop his lower back 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.360 because it was like a lot of belly. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:26.080 Yeah. 0:09:26.160 --> 0:09:28.640 Well, I mean if you look at fighters, if fighters 0:09:28.640 --> 0:09:31.240 go down sometimes just a kilo or to lose a 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:33.640 little bit, it gets to a point from fitness to 0:09:34.000 --> 0:09:35.040 you start to lose strength. 0:09:35.920 --> 0:09:38.600 So even with the UFC fighters I'm thinking about it now, 0:09:38.679 --> 0:09:41.679 is we're talking about like Habiben and Makachev and all 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:45.439 those guys like they're they're not totally ripped, are they 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:48.480 They're really good mauls and wrestlers. But and the other 0:09:48.520 --> 0:09:51.880 one with the quarterbacks is there's a Tennessee Titans quarterback 0:09:51.920 --> 0:09:54.880 called Will Levice. Yep, he's way too ripped his mechanics 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:55.960 and that it doesn't suit it. 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.520 So Brock Jarvis when he was fighting, like Thurman said, 0:09:59.520 --> 0:10:03.120 but he's before the fight, Keith Thurman said, he's too repped. 0:10:03.160 --> 0:10:07.320 He's got too much muscle, he can't move. And yeah, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.080 it's interesting, we said I seen one before. What was 0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:12.360 it when we're talking about something coup you said something before. 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:15.800 I'm trying to think NFL might have been NFL. And 0:10:15.960 --> 0:10:16.840 we'll come back to you're. 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:18.280 Talking about money. He's talking about money. 0:10:18.280 --> 0:10:20.760 In the underreap, we're sort of peace in this rule. 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:23.280 What are you talking about a little bit? It was 0:10:23.280 --> 0:10:26.760 worthwhile saying, but I just forget what it was. I 0:10:26.920 --> 0:10:30.240 just continue true Deli True Evans before we talk about 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:35.880 his current plight. Daily's wedding. It seems to be that 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.480 seems to be sort of the point that's almost the 0:10:38.480 --> 0:10:42.320 pebble in the pond, that where the reverberation started. A 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:45.640 certain mc they're pointing out that gez des Hazle is here, 0:10:45.679 --> 0:10:48.720 but not Anthony Seuerbold and certainly not Tony mess I reckon. 0:10:48.720 --> 0:10:51.199 He's brought this up on every podcast the last four weeks. 0:10:51.200 --> 0:10:51.880 He's relentless. 0:10:52.040 --> 0:10:53.440 A lot of people have been bringing it up with 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.679 me because of the relationship as well, so a lot 0:10:55.679 --> 0:10:58.040 of people have been trying to get information you were 0:10:58.040 --> 0:11:01.200 outstanding to by the way, and Jack you clipping up 0:11:01.280 --> 0:11:04.960 that the pod you did with Brad Parker about me 0:11:05.120 --> 0:11:10.840 dressing to go to Warfie. So many people sent me 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:13.839 that little Luki Stowe sent me that originally and I 0:11:13.880 --> 0:11:14.400 had a good laugh. 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:17.840 You kept an unnecessary astray there, Yeah, because you were dressed. Look, 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.240 you weren't in a standard suit. You were dressed like 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:22.560 you were going to Warfie. But I don't think Parks 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:24.480 was referring to you when he was trying to throw 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:25.160 you under the bus. 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.120 I know, loocause you're going after him and he's trying 0:11:28.120 --> 0:11:31.400 to deflect, so he's trying to deflect away. So there 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:33.640 was me and a couple of the Islander boys, Sipley 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.840 and Perseco. We were a little bit more underdressed than others. 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.600 But Jackie, I know you're behind it. You put it 0:11:39.640 --> 0:11:41.760 in the clip that you're me money in chairs and 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:43.360 they're in a bag of fruit as well. They're looking 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:45.559 the mickey and I'm standing there looking like I'm going 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:46.199 to walk next. 0:11:49.080 --> 0:11:50.920 For what fit for what? That's what I was going 0:11:50.960 --> 0:11:54.480 to say. You know, people aren't ripped. It's like, I mean, 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:58.040 what is fitness fit for what? So if you can 0:11:58.080 --> 0:12:00.280 play rugby league, if fits for rugby league, you fit 0:12:00.320 --> 0:12:03.400 for UFC, you're fit for running four hundred meter. They're 0:12:03.400 --> 0:12:06.560 all different. Yeah, Hence let's continue for instance, have you 0:12:06.600 --> 0:12:08.960 ever been the peaky of powers when you're playing rugby 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:11.120 league and you're fit for rugby league, but then you 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:13.200 walk up a set of stairs with your wife and 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:14.559 she's fine and you're exhausted. 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:16.360 Yeah, yeah, you know what fit for what I was 0:12:16.400 --> 0:12:18.760 actually thinking, I didn't know where you were going. Without 0:12:18.760 --> 0:12:20.280 the start, I thought, well, I we'll cut this out. 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.080 But I do understand what you talk about now, because 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:24.960 I was thinking about this yesterday. You went from Paramatta 0:12:25.000 --> 0:12:27.960 to Manly, which we're going to get into. But every 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:30.000 rugby league team they all train hard, but they all 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:33.080 kind of do different drills which are kind of hard. 0:12:33.120 --> 0:12:36.400 I remember going from Melbourne, who trained really really hard, 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.360 but then going to Manly, who train very hard as well, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:43.040 but the running type of stuff they do more long 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.000 distance stuff, and it felt like even though I was 0:12:46.040 --> 0:12:49.560 fit from my time in Melbourne, it felt like I 0:12:49.640 --> 0:12:52.240 was like seventeen again shit fitness because it was just 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.680 my body was not fit for that kind of running. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:57.640 It was completely different because we had Steve Kerney and 0:12:57.640 --> 0:13:00.839 Brad Arthur from Melbourne, so we trained you guys. They 0:13:00.840 --> 0:13:03.360 were trying to implement that Paramatta when I was there, 0:13:03.679 --> 0:13:06.520 so it it took a massive adjustment, Like the training 0:13:06.600 --> 0:13:09.959 was completely different at Manly. But the one thing I 0:13:10.440 --> 0:13:12.640 sort of remember from from that time is we would 0:13:12.640 --> 0:13:15.360 getting sort of similar to what you're saying about money. 0:13:15.360 --> 0:13:17.920 I would have been about a Paramatta about ninety five 0:13:18.000 --> 0:13:21.560 ninety six kilos during the Kearney and when Brad Darthur 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:24.720 took over, because we would we would just you know, 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.000 those wrestle sessions. They found a shed out at Paramatta 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:31.600 that they tried to replicate what Melbourne had been doing. Yeah, 0:13:31.600 --> 0:13:34.520 it was a really high intensity sort of setup. And 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:37.480 then when I got to Manly, like we trained hard, 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:42.000 but everyone loves the skin up and it's like the 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:45.240 older boys had the runs on the board. So like, 0:13:45.360 --> 0:13:48.199 especially during my time keep before you got there, it 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.079 was the older boys. Yeah, the older boys would come 0:13:52.080 --> 0:13:54.360 in three days a week in pre season, which I loved, 0:13:55.080 --> 0:13:57.360 but whenever they come in the intensity of those sessions 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.559 would be top tier. And then us younger guys we 0:13:59.600 --> 0:14:02.800 would try five days a week like normal. But you know, 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:06.160 it's just completely different. Like Donnie knew, Donnie Sinch and 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:07.719 Jeff Twovy and that they knew that they had the 0:14:07.800 --> 0:14:10.080 runs on the board, so it was it was tweaked 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:13.040 a little bit different to suit more of the older boys, 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:16.040 and then I imagine like it would have changed the 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:19.920 regime change and was Donnie still around when Donnie moved on? 0:14:20.040 --> 0:14:22.560 Yeah, he's moved on. Yeah, that's so funny that you 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.760 say that. I can't believe that they so how many 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:26.640 of the boys would only come in three times? So 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.600 that's from November. 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.120 To what till December? After Christmas? Yeah, everyone would start 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.760 back together, so Monday TOOS Monday, Wednesday Friday would be 0:14:35.760 --> 0:14:37.440 the Sessions day rock up and then obviously all the 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:39.400 rest of us do Tuesday on Thursday. But that was 0:14:40.960 --> 0:14:46.000 Brett Glenn, Steve Matdeye, Anthony Walmo, Jamie Lyon. This is 0:14:46.280 --> 0:14:48.800 this is like a couple of years. Maybe Chucky was 0:14:48.840 --> 0:14:51.360 playing Australian in the Australian team, so we didn't even 0:14:51.360 --> 0:14:55.440 see him at all. Jason King, Brent Kyte, Maddy Ballen. 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:59.200 So there was a large portion that's half your first 0:14:59.200 --> 0:15:02.320 guard to me. Yeah. Yeah. But so because Donnie gave 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:05.040 them the freedom, a lot of them would still turn 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:07.000 up on the Tuesday and Thursday and going the gym 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.680 and just do their own stuff. They'd be visible. They 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:12.760 might come in do a little morning session and take off, 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:14.200 but they could they had the runs on the board, 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:17.360 and we knew, like Donnie knew that he wasn't They 0:15:17.360 --> 0:15:18.920 weren't going to let him down on the field. Then 0:15:19.400 --> 0:15:21.480 we'll just rip in and Tuesdays and Thursdays would be 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:23.320 a bit of a downer. But Monday, Wednesday, Friday was 0:15:23.360 --> 0:15:25.160 the mickey, like we would all be up and yeah 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:27.880 they'd be and they'd be flying, and yeah, we got 0:15:27.880 --> 0:15:29.000 to we've got the best out of it. 0:15:29.000 --> 0:15:31.920 It's interesting to say about that about when Blake's got 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.720 the runs on the board or yeah, the muscle memory. 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:35.440 They've been training for a long long time. I remember 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:38.040 at Melbourne's Alex Corvo, who was the strength conditioner there 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.120 for a long time, he was saying when they would 0:15:40.120 --> 0:15:44.040 bring young players in from coming down from Brisbane or 0:15:44.080 --> 0:15:47.240 wherever is, that they would train them in high volume 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:49.640 in the weight room, so'd be like five sets to 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:51.960 sixteen slow and things like that, and he said what 0:15:52.000 --> 0:15:54.680 it was about was building your base so that when 0:15:54.680 --> 0:15:56.640 they're at the club for five six years, they can 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.920 come back in mid January putting those in the clock. Now, 0:16:00.920 --> 0:16:03.160 but it's really interesting when you blokes are talking about 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.080 that different ways of training. One of the big mysteries 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:09.080 when I was coming through was that you could run 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.680 four hundreds, eight hundreds, two hundreds, you know, ten one 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:15.040 hundreds all pre season, NonStop. You could be fit as 0:16:15.120 --> 0:16:16.640 you've ever been, But as soon as you get on 0:16:16.960 --> 0:16:19.400 out on the field, you knack it. And we used 0:16:19.400 --> 0:16:21.840 to say, right, what is match fitness? Well, match fitness 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:24.080 is wrestling a lot of ways. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:24.200 Isn't it. 0:16:24.480 --> 0:16:27.760 Yeah, Like it just wasn't done really in the nineties. 0:16:27.640 --> 0:16:29.800 And even now, like even it doesn't matter how big 0:16:29.800 --> 0:16:32.480 your preseason is. Now come trial game one, Like, no 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:34.480 matter how much wrestling you do, how much running, you're 0:16:34.560 --> 0:16:37.960 still so gassed. Obviously they do it because it helps 0:16:38.680 --> 0:16:41.240 like prepare your body for a big season. It stops 0:16:41.360 --> 0:16:44.080 injury prevention and things like that. But nothing like that. 0:16:44.240 --> 0:16:46.720 There is no training you can do that replicates gets 0:16:46.720 --> 0:16:47.560 your match fitness up. 0:16:47.600 --> 0:16:49.680 The Wigan boys when we're at Wigan, there are a 0:16:49.680 --> 0:16:51.040 couple of the blokes that used to go to this 0:16:51.160 --> 0:16:53.840 legendary place in We're going to do some wrestling. It 0:16:53.920 --> 0:16:56.040 was called the snake Pit, and they called it that. 0:16:56.040 --> 0:16:58.640 There was a bloke who was a really legendary trainer there, 0:16:59.040 --> 0:17:01.800 and the bridge Wich Bulldogs would be there sometimes, David 0:17:01.840 --> 0:17:03.920 boy Smith from the British Bullets. It was a wiganer 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:06.119 they reckon. They went in there once and Brett Hart 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:08.240 was in there. So yeah, a few of the boys 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.439 used to go and train in that place. It sounds 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:15.920 sounded to me a little hardcore. You know, you wouldn't really, Yeah, 0:17:15.920 --> 0:17:18.640 it was probably pretty hard core. 0:17:19.880 --> 0:17:23.640 I don't know what you're alluding to. I'm not talking about. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:26.040 I'm not talking about, you know, wrestling where get your 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:29.040 hooks in. I'm talking about you know, bloke's getting held 0:17:29.040 --> 0:17:33.440 in in certain holes and screaming. 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:34.080 Oh god. 0:17:34.920 --> 0:17:37.879 The current manly side. Would you consider yourself a manly 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:39.840 Are you a manly fan or a paramount of fan? 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:44.120 Spent three three three three split of them, probably more 0:17:44.119 --> 0:17:45.640 mainly because we had more success there. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.800 What I wanted to ask you, because this year is 0:17:49.160 --> 0:17:52.880 started phenomenally. You're a former back roller for the mainly 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:57.000 Seagulls played. You've played off chairs perform just only slightly different, 0:17:57.080 --> 0:18:00.199 only slightly different. Still, you broke as many tackles as him. 0:18:00.200 --> 0:18:03.440 Audio thoughts on the Big Fail because he's got every 0:18:03.440 --> 0:18:04.280 string to his bow. 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:06.440 Yeah, I love it. I remember when he first hit 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.359 the scene. You know, could only you know, last thirty 0:18:09.440 --> 0:18:11.360 or forty minutes before the big fellow gas out, which 0:18:11.359 --> 0:18:14.800 is understandable. But he's you know, he's really developed into 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:18.119 a proper eighty minute back row who can be just 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:19.840 as effective at the start of the game as he 0:18:19.960 --> 0:18:22.280 is at the back end. Now you look at that 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:25.280 on the weekend when he it's the you know, the 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.920 the losing by a fair beer sixty five minute chez 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:31.080 I think throws him aboard just nothing doing bang wushka, 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.320 fine sabi and puts him away like a couple of 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:38.400 the back rollers now in the competition on the other side, 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:41.879 Ali Katoa, Villiarmi kickl on the left. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:44.040 Yeah, even like Jake Preston. 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:45.080 Yeah, he's a weapon. 0:18:45.200 --> 0:18:48.520 He could play, but not not the mold of that Katoa. 0:18:48.680 --> 0:18:52.359 And but he's smart to know how Yeah yeah, but 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:56.000 just goes hard to like. But Amole, I feel like 0:18:56.040 --> 0:18:58.439 this year he's got he's got a work rate that 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.960 he hasn't had the ye's gone. He's always been a 0:19:01.000 --> 0:19:03.840 game breaker, but you've seen the first few rounds like 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:07.359 his defensive efforts like he's he's not it's not just 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:09.520 blokes running at him and he's flogging him like he's 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:13.280 chasing blokes and like just blokes are running sideways backwards 0:19:13.320 --> 0:19:14.000 get away from him. 0:19:14.040 --> 0:19:15.440 Yeah. I thought a really good sign in the off 0:19:15.480 --> 0:19:18.399 season was when they promoted him to vice captain or 0:19:18.400 --> 0:19:20.560 part of the leadership group. So it must have shown 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.600 how much work he's put in over the last couple 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:25.560 of years under Seves and he must have had I'd 0:19:25.600 --> 0:19:27.600 imagine it would have been disrupted did he play for Tonga, 0:19:27.680 --> 0:19:30.000 he would have. Yeah, so he must have had a 0:19:30.000 --> 0:19:32.720 really good January February gone into the season because that 0:19:32.800 --> 0:19:36.119 was announced, And yeah, a great sign for Hemole and 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.440 chairs on that right. Edgewall currently. 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:46.920 The rooster, but he not love with I look at Himlee, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:48.800 and I think to myself, like at the moment, it's 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:51.280 feed to Malee early. He wants the ball early. But 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:53.320 for him, if he takes that next step in his 0:19:53.400 --> 0:19:55.639 career and actually starts to take a leaf out of 0:19:55.640 --> 0:19:59.320 say Preston or Britain Nicker's book and actually start to 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.960 whack mate, honestly, he's unstoppable. Like you saw the difference 0:20:04.000 --> 0:20:06.600 a few years ago with David Feeder operating on that left, 0:20:06.880 --> 0:20:08.639 and he was a player just like, oh, give me 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:10.720 the ball early, and then all of a sudden he 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:13.600 had a really good twelve months because he had Kieran 0:20:13.680 --> 0:20:16.159 foran teaching about the science of the game, you know, 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:20.000 and that's that's like Preston, Jacob Preston. Would he survive 0:20:20.080 --> 0:20:22.840 if he just kept getting the ball early? You know? Maybe, 0:20:22.880 --> 0:20:24.320 but would he be as good to play it? No 0:20:24.359 --> 0:20:26.439 way in the world. It's learning that sort of science 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.160 of the game with a lot of players. It's next step. 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:32.200 Yeah, how much did like you've played with Chas, how 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.280 much of an impact does Chess have for his back rollers? 0:20:35.400 --> 0:20:38.120 Because I imagine it was tough. I really struggled because 0:20:38.160 --> 0:20:41.000 I started with Kieren on the left, so when I 0:20:41.080 --> 0:20:43.600 was on the left, Kieran as you know, like it 0:20:43.800 --> 0:20:45.440 was krying it there as well for us here. 0:20:45.520 --> 0:20:48.560 He just got to the Titans. H have some salary 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:49.040 cap for me. 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:55.600 Big money signing from the Dylan Brown of Manly. Fozzy 0:20:55.760 --> 0:20:58.840 was so detailed prepared before games and then would even 0:20:58.960 --> 0:21:01.800 just see cues as the game was on flowing, so 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.800 he might tell me becuzzy you're going to be getting 0:21:03.800 --> 0:21:05.560 it mad He get it, Maddi's inside shoulder. A couple 0:21:05.560 --> 0:21:07.119 of plays before we're going to I want you to 0:21:07.200 --> 0:21:09.040 lay that line, but we've got something else coming to 0:21:09.080 --> 0:21:11.240 the right. So I was like, always had a plan 0:21:11.359 --> 0:21:14.679 with fozz with chairs. There was none of that, and 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:16.880 that was maybe it's changed over time. He's probably got 0:21:16.880 --> 0:21:20.439 better better at over the years, but I used to 0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:22.040 just have to react. And there was a couple of 0:21:22.040 --> 0:21:27.600 games we were really struggling, so Tubs and Dave Penner, 0:21:27.720 --> 0:21:30.320 where he was the assistant coach, He's like, here, you're 0:21:30.320 --> 0:21:31.800 going on the right and I said, oh, yeah, no, 0:21:31.920 --> 0:21:34.120 it's just trying to figure it out, but yeah, we'll 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:37.359 get there. And they said, oh, well it's not working. 0:21:37.400 --> 0:21:39.080 We're going to flick your back over to the left. 0:21:39.840 --> 0:21:41.639 So I spent some time back on the left, and 0:21:41.640 --> 0:21:44.480 then out of necessity, i'd actually been sort of just 0:21:44.520 --> 0:21:46.560 fell out of favor a little bit in fifteen, and 0:21:46.600 --> 0:21:49.000 then in order to get myself back in the team, 0:21:49.280 --> 0:21:50.800 I had to play on the right. And I actually 0:21:50.960 --> 0:21:54.560 ended up fitting finishing twenty fifteen really good with him, 0:21:54.960 --> 0:21:56.879 because I started to realize, all right, you just got 0:21:56.920 --> 0:21:58.840 to be ready for everything. It's not. It's not like 0:21:58.920 --> 0:22:03.200 Fozz so his mannerisms and and you know he'd start 0:22:03.240 --> 0:22:05.480 sharp as he looks like he's about to tack in 0:22:05.520 --> 0:22:07.679 behind the markers, but then he'd kick out. All right, 0:22:07.720 --> 0:22:10.239 So now I'm dropping under. Just little things like that 0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:13.280 I got, I had to get better at. And it's 0:22:13.280 --> 0:22:15.120 a little bit different, like I said, a little bit different. 0:22:14.920 --> 0:22:18.720 With Yeah, I always found that. I found that very 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:21.160 surprising when I got to mainly like for someone who 0:22:21.640 --> 0:22:25.359 you know, played Australia, played Origin, Chez wasn't a big 0:22:25.480 --> 0:22:27.520 like of community, a communicator for what he was going 0:22:27.600 --> 0:22:30.920 to do. He was just so off the cuff and 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:33.320 it was like you the players around him need to 0:22:33.359 --> 0:22:34.800 know what he's going to do. Like he's still very 0:22:34.880 --> 0:22:36.719 much like that, Like you know, he would just float 0:22:37.119 --> 0:22:39.960 and he's so good. He's got such a good iq 0:22:40.119 --> 0:22:42.280 of just reacting to the defense, which a lot of 0:22:42.320 --> 0:22:45.200 people don't. Munster's got that. Remember when Trent le Aero 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:47.800 first went into first grade, he played on the left 0:22:47.880 --> 0:22:50.320 edge with Munster and they really struggled for the year 0:22:50.560 --> 0:22:53.400 because Trent was someone that needed to know like I'll 0:22:53.400 --> 0:22:55.560 do whatever you tell me, but I need to know, 0:22:55.800 --> 0:22:59.119 like what you need to tell me, and Money go yeah, yah, 0:22:59.160 --> 0:23:02.040 sweet and wouldn't tell anything and then just take off, yeah, 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:03.800 and then just take off and like he just do. 0:23:04.359 --> 0:23:05.879 We used to call it mun ball, which is like 0:23:05.960 --> 0:23:08.760 only not even mone knows what he's doing, So how's 0:23:08.800 --> 0:23:10.800 the defense going to know? But then Train obviously moved 0:23:10.800 --> 0:23:13.040 into the middle and he was like, oh, I found 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:16.000 my game. So it benefited me so much more because 0:23:16.800 --> 0:23:19.439 in the middle it's so stocked, standard structured. But you 0:23:19.480 --> 0:23:21.600 see Sean Blaher on that left edge. Now he's very 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:23.520 good at reacting to what Money does. 0:23:23.680 --> 0:23:23.880 Yeah. 0:23:24.400 --> 0:23:26.359 Well, that's what makes a great combination, isn't it. Like 0:23:26.440 --> 0:23:28.879 if you look at Chairs and Kieran. You've got Kieran 0:23:28.920 --> 0:23:31.359 who can set structure up and tell you who's getting 0:23:31.400 --> 0:23:33.080 to it and be really thorough. And then on the 0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:34.480 other side of the field you got a wild a 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:37.080 maverick who just jumps around. You can find that happy 0:23:37.080 --> 0:23:40.159 you meet him in Melbourne twenty seventeen. He had Cooper 0:23:40.200 --> 0:23:42.800 Krank operating around the field and you had Munster who 0:23:42.840 --> 0:23:46.680 was just playing completely on instinct. It's a great combination. 0:23:47.119 --> 0:23:49.240 Otherwise you've got two halves here trying to play halfback. 0:23:49.320 --> 0:23:51.920 That's why. So before I moved over there, that was 0:23:51.960 --> 0:23:53.800 the year that Gift he had moved on Glenn Stewart. 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:56.760 So Glenn Steward and Jamie Lyon that was his right 0:23:56.840 --> 0:23:59.360 edge to begin his career. They're just out and out 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:02.239 footy players. Yes, Like I've seen you talk about him 0:24:02.280 --> 0:24:05.520 before Matty in years past. Like they were just really 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:07.880 like top tier park footy players. You know, they play 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:11.200 exactly what's in front of him. So like Glenn Stewart 0:24:11.200 --> 0:24:13.600 had a few moves that he would work each game, 0:24:13.680 --> 0:24:16.520 but off you know, those three on that right edge, 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:19.240 whatever they've seen and if it was if they got numbers, 0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.359 it didn't it didn't matter. No one had to felt 0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:23.720 like they didn't have to say anything and they were 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:25.439 just in sync and they'll just take like they'll just 0:24:25.440 --> 0:24:26.400 go after it mate. 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:28.560 I mean, it was so good for Dali when he 0:24:28.600 --> 0:24:31.160 got in there. You have for Blake's a great running game. 0:24:31.320 --> 0:24:33.679 I have the advantage line, you know, dip out if 0:24:33.720 --> 0:24:36.240 he likes what he sees, take him on if he 0:24:36.280 --> 0:24:39.240 doesn't feed Glenn early, Yep, it's a great way. 0:24:39.320 --> 0:24:41.200 Glenn would just sit there. We used to have a playoff. 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:45.760 What was called still maybe something like Freshly short side 0:24:45.760 --> 0:24:47.840 fresh or something. We used to sit there and imagine 0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:49.800 they've changed the name now. Glenn would sit there three 0:24:49.840 --> 0:24:52.160 on three and then you know, if he got three 0:24:52.200 --> 0:24:54.840 on three or even two, like they're taking it, but 0:24:54.920 --> 0:24:56.920 he'd just go, Chess, let's go. And then Chess would 0:24:56.920 --> 0:24:59.560 just start ripping from the open side of the plate 0:24:59.720 --> 0:25:02.399 down the short side, and then I just crowded. And 0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.359 then you know that silky little play that used to 0:25:04.359 --> 0:25:06.840 do at the back of the center that was just 0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:09.760 always off the calf. That wasn't that was never planned really, 0:25:09.800 --> 0:25:11.760 that was just whatever Gifty saying did. 0:25:12.160 --> 0:25:14.640 Imagine like when you're doing edge v edge of training, 0:25:15.200 --> 0:25:17.639 if you're on the left edge defending those four was 0:25:17.640 --> 0:25:18.680 that just a nightmare? 0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:21.040 It was the best. Like that's why improved so much 0:25:21.119 --> 0:25:23.960 in thirteen and fourteen, Like I just learned how to 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:27.040 play like rugby league, even though I couldn't execute the 0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.199 same as what those those guys did. It was just 0:25:29.359 --> 0:25:33.040 learning the game. So like there was and the battle 0:25:33.080 --> 0:25:36.199 between Stevie Mattowe and Jamie Lyon, they used to be 0:25:36.280 --> 0:25:40.399 really competitive against each other. So training, you know, I 0:25:40.480 --> 0:25:42.480 always say this all the time, like training sessions were 0:25:42.520 --> 0:25:44.760 harder than games. Sometimes wow, Like it was just on 0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:47.359 and it was a great environment and I'd just be 0:25:47.440 --> 0:25:50.520 observing everything and just trying to you know, I try 0:25:50.520 --> 0:25:55.800 to do those moooths. I said, you enjoy a little 0:25:55.800 --> 0:26:00.240 short side fresh of this week and you get like 0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.520 just put it in the back pocket, even the tools. Yeah, 0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:05.919 just from me inside three men. 0:26:07.000 --> 0:26:11.280 Look at Jamie Lyne. I haven't seen many more pure 0:26:11.320 --> 0:26:14.760 footballers than killer. I mean you're talking about dad, like 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.080 James Draham. I've said before it turned up when he 0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:19.960 turned up a Saint Helen's from we wore they went 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:22.560 look at this blog and they did fitness and he 0:26:22.640 --> 0:26:24.720 was so far behind everyone. But as soon as the 0:26:24.720 --> 0:26:27.360 ball hit his hands over her and went sheesus Christy with. 0:26:27.320 --> 0:26:29.800 This bloke played against him for a couple of years 0:26:29.800 --> 0:26:31.520 before we got there. He's a player that I didn't 0:26:31.520 --> 0:26:34.600 appreciate enough until I got there. Just a really good 0:26:34.680 --> 0:26:37.880 gym and really good locker room guy. He's obviously our skipper, 0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:40.399 but just yeah, he dusted us up so much on 0:26:40.480 --> 0:26:43.919 that left first right, just training, just doing little moves 0:26:43.920 --> 0:26:46.480 and subtleties that you're just like, wow, Like I got 0:26:46.480 --> 0:26:48.400 to see it every pretty much every week. 0:26:48.440 --> 0:26:50.520 You know what about the market at the moment we're 0:26:50.520 --> 0:26:55.800 talking about this before the podcast, and you know, like 0:26:55.880 --> 0:26:59.320 the DCE situation, which we've spoken about, don't I spoke 0:26:59.359 --> 0:27:00.720 to you a bit. It's when we're on the radio 0:27:00.880 --> 0:27:04.879 to say, there are so few quality pure number seven's 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:06.520 out there that I thought there is no way that 0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:08.720 mainly are going to allow him to wander out the 0:27:08.760 --> 0:27:11.879 door if someone pinch him. And now what the Dylan 0:27:11.920 --> 0:27:14.879 Brown contractor has done to the rest of the market 0:27:15.240 --> 0:27:18.080 suddenly got locky Galvin, some people saying five years, a 0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.119 million dollars a year lock He must be going Jesus, 0:27:20.320 --> 0:27:21.680 I could just sit on my ars and my price 0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:23.639 is going to go up. And then you've got a 0:27:23.680 --> 0:27:25.520 little bit of a story. The Fletch said to me, 0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.280 as we're recording this just recently on Isaiah Atoa. That 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:32.240 might be proven wrong as this is put out, but 0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:35.040 talk that he's unsettled at the Dolphins, well, the reason 0:27:35.040 --> 0:27:37.440 he's unsettled just to say his managers had to look 0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:39.720 at the money going around and thought to himself, mate, 0:27:40.480 --> 0:27:42.719 I could probably get one point three A mean one 0:27:42.760 --> 0:27:44.560 point three million a year for Isaiah. 0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:47.680 Yeah, yeah, especially because I've seen the clip when you're 0:27:47.680 --> 0:27:49.840 talking to Fletch about it. He just did his deal too, 0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.399 So there might be a little bit of frustration from 0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.240 not only the players if they've just got a deal 0:27:55.320 --> 0:27:58.159 done because of the Dylan Brown situation, but even the 0:27:58.200 --> 0:28:01.320 manager's gone Jesus could have put it a little bit 0:28:01.359 --> 0:28:04.760 more or how can we figure out a way to 0:28:04.880 --> 0:28:06.760 sort of get this reupt. 0:28:06.440 --> 0:28:08.399 Because he is a player. They just can't let go 0:28:08.880 --> 0:28:11.680 no Dolphins, so they have to find any means possible 0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:12.639 to keep him in that club. 0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.000 Yeah, you look at the hearts coming through in the 0:28:16.040 --> 0:28:19.760 next five years when your Chess's and that sort of 0:28:19.800 --> 0:28:21.879 the leaders that are in there now, Monster's hues he 0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:25.720 come towards the end, it's Katowa Galvant like, they're going 0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:27.680 to be the next you know, they're going to be 0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:30.520 the next Origin Stars. And if you don't retain those blokes, 0:28:30.520 --> 0:28:31.919 now there's going to be They're going to be in 0:28:31.960 --> 0:28:34.000 a world I heard for ten years who is playing 0:28:34.040 --> 0:28:34.520 against them? 0:28:34.520 --> 0:28:36.760 But you know, on the manly situation again with DC, 0:28:37.040 --> 0:28:40.040 what has confirmed probably the madness of letting him go 0:28:40.480 --> 0:28:42.280 is have a look at the difference and this guy 0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:44.440 is not a seven, but he's a clever player operates 0:28:44.480 --> 0:28:45.720 in the middle of the field. Have look at the 0:28:45.760 --> 0:28:48.160 difference that Dylan Walker made when he came on the 0:28:48.200 --> 0:28:52.480 field the other day from Aramund. Immediately he got into 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:56.320 that middle field, he alleviated the pressure off Hawkins and 0:28:56.560 --> 0:29:00.160 Dylan Brown and make his past selection. Everything changed, the 0:29:00.200 --> 0:29:03.120 tempo of their attackers went through the roof. That's purely experienced. 0:29:03.680 --> 0:29:06.160 Yeah, yeah, he's a free Dan Brown end up running 0:29:06.160 --> 0:29:08.200 about eighteen times off the back of that. 0:29:08.240 --> 0:29:10.440 Didn't he make You just saw the difference scope because 0:29:10.560 --> 0:29:12.080 he just took the pressure of him as far as 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:13.960 decision making and pushing the side around the park. 0:29:14.480 --> 0:29:17.080 Hey, going back to let's go back to into your 0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:19.360 VID of your career for a sec. Started a paramount 0:29:19.400 --> 0:29:21.440 up some of the players that you played with, because 0:29:22.000 --> 0:29:24.520 the I think the skipper when you were there was 0:29:24.680 --> 0:29:26.880 Matthew's colleague Nathan hein Marsh. 0:29:26.960 --> 0:29:30.520 The first year was Kaylo Nathan Caylis and then Heindi 0:29:30.600 --> 0:29:31.400 eleven twelve. 0:29:31.640 --> 0:29:36.960 What was because Heindi is a Matthew, He's a look 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.560 he was an outstanding player three hundred gamer, but his 0:29:39.720 --> 0:29:42.840 personality I find he would have been a very strange 0:29:42.880 --> 0:29:44.200 sort of captain mate. 0:29:44.320 --> 0:29:46.760 I was always all right with Heindi. For some reason, 0:29:48.080 --> 0:29:50.000 he was hard on younger guys, like he was a 0:29:50.040 --> 0:29:51.240 bit of an old school. 0:29:51.080 --> 0:29:51.960 Very old school guy. 0:29:52.160 --> 0:29:54.440 Yeah, and he tries to keep it up now on 0:29:54.760 --> 0:29:57.360 the show sometimes with players. I don't know how to 0:29:57.440 --> 0:29:59.800 explain it. I don't know, because I'd spent a lot 0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.400 of similar to you guys, Coop and Jack, because you 0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:05.360 spend a lot of time around n ROL players. Because 0:30:05.400 --> 0:30:10.640 of my dad playing first grade, I probably didn't get 0:30:11.040 --> 0:30:13.880 as star struck early on that which some players go 0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.120 through when they you know, when they start off, they 0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:20.360 can be a bit tentative. So yeah, I never really 0:30:20.400 --> 0:30:22.520 felt like that with Heindy, but I used to see 0:30:22.600 --> 0:30:24.800 him sometimes. He used to put it on and and 0:30:24.920 --> 0:30:27.160 you know, he's the sort of guy to you know, 0:30:27.520 --> 0:30:29.200 might put someone on show but then give you a 0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.000 wink like when they walk past and all that sort 0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:34.120 of stuff. But yeah, he was mad. He was good. 0:30:34.240 --> 0:30:37.320 He was good. He was at the back end, a 0:30:37.400 --> 0:30:41.920 legend of the club. What's that that old award when 0:30:41.920 --> 0:30:43.200 it was like the fans voted. 0:30:43.000 --> 0:30:48.520 For him every single year, like he hated it getting 0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:50.560 club into They did not. 0:30:50.680 --> 0:30:53.480 Like it because then you know it was like, yeah, 0:30:53.480 --> 0:30:56.120 the nicest guy in the w Ward basically in which 0:30:56.160 --> 0:30:58.160 he was like he was, you know, he was a legend. 0:30:58.200 --> 0:31:02.640 He was really good to the fans. Unreal player. You know, 0:31:02.680 --> 0:31:04.840 the Premiership thing sucks for him, but you know he 0:31:04.920 --> 0:31:08.360 did everything else. But yeah, he was. He was good. 0:31:08.400 --> 0:31:10.480 I got I got along with him some of the 0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.000 other boys. You know, I took a little bit to 0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:14.520 get used to Haindi, but I was always We used 0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:16.040 to sit next to each other in the in the 0:31:16.160 --> 0:31:21.240 auditorium and we do like video sessions and that, and 0:31:21.280 --> 0:31:24.120 he says tell these like shitty little jokes. Weren't funny. 0:31:24.320 --> 0:31:24.880 He's not funny. 0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:26.360 It was not funny at all. But I'd laugh at 0:31:26.400 --> 0:31:29.160 how awkward it was, because you know, he's a three 0:31:29.280 --> 0:31:31.800 hundred game, he's an origin player, trying to get on 0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:34.440 his good side. He's trying to be quirky. And then 0:31:34.480 --> 0:31:36.480 it would just get crickets and I would just be going. 0:31:36.400 --> 0:31:40.360 Yeah, like there's quirky, and there's quirky. That's doubly quirky 0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:43.240 when you're sitting in there yard. God, that's not even funny. 0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.479 Here's the strangest opendons on things sometimes. Mind it. We'll 0:31:46.480 --> 0:31:48.000 get there on the show and he'll just say something 0:31:48.080 --> 0:31:50.760 before and I'll say, do you really mean that? 0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:52.120 Yeah? 0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:56.800 Yeah, I said, mate, that's that's that's fair enough. Just 0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:58.600 go with it. It was a negative. 0:31:58.640 --> 0:32:01.480 One was Jared Haynes was he was there, a young 0:32:01.560 --> 0:32:02.320 Jared Haynes there as. 0:32:02.280 --> 0:32:04.640 Well with you Hainsey. So me and Haines were really 0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:06.840 close because we went to school together. And then also 0:32:06.880 --> 0:32:10.600 he lived with my family, so my parents were house 0:32:10.640 --> 0:32:14.400 parents with Paramatta for a six year period and when 0:32:14.480 --> 0:32:17.840 Hainesy first hit first grade, he was living in Campbelltown 0:32:17.880 --> 0:32:20.160 with his mother and it was too far to travel, 0:32:20.240 --> 0:32:24.200 so they moved him in with our family, and yeah, 0:32:24.200 --> 0:32:26.560 he went on that crazy run he moved. So he 0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:29.640 lived two thousand and seven and eight with us and 0:32:29.680 --> 0:32:30.840 then O nine was the. 0:32:30.840 --> 0:32:34.240 D M Ye yeah, yeah right, that was incredible nine 0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.920 watching him at start of that year. Dean Leanson played 0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.720 him at six. I believe he was playing him at six, 0:32:39.760 --> 0:32:43.000 And we commentated a game one night and like scope, 0:32:43.840 --> 0:32:47.040 he was uninterested, like he was standing out there like 0:32:47.160 --> 0:32:49.120 I've been watching the game. Game, mate, look at the talent. 0:32:49.760 --> 0:32:52.560 This guy is completely wasting the talent that God gave him. 0:32:52.920 --> 0:32:54.920 And then they moved him back to fullback halfway through 0:32:54.960 --> 0:32:58.600 the season. Jesus tear. What you talk about greatest runs? 0:32:58.920 --> 0:33:03.280 He Calen Pong, Barber, Ben Barber, Tommy Turbo and I 0:33:03.320 --> 0:33:05.320 think I think that is the greatest run I've ever seen. 0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.840 Yeah, yeah, if you go maybe probably further in the 0:33:08.880 --> 0:33:11.400 year than Turbo because it was like a ten week 0:33:11.440 --> 0:33:14.600 period with ains, right, Like the start of that year 0:33:14.680 --> 0:33:17.040 was pretty bad. Like I was in the full time 0:33:17.080 --> 0:33:20.560 squad at that time, so like people forget the start 0:33:20.560 --> 0:33:22.560 of the year, how the form was and probably you 0:33:22.600 --> 0:33:24.400 know what you're alluding to there, Maddy, But when he 0:33:24.440 --> 0:33:27.120 went on that run, that was there's probably no I 0:33:27.160 --> 0:33:29.840 haven't seen anything like that in my footy career. The 0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:35.160 energy around, like the crowds, you know, the one, the 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:37.760 one that stands out is to the prelim final against 0:33:37.760 --> 0:33:41.160 the Bulldogs. That's the best atmosphere I've ever been involved in. 0:33:41.200 --> 0:33:43.200 And I wasn't even a player. I was just part 0:33:43.200 --> 0:33:45.120 of the squad at the time, so we all would 0:33:45.120 --> 0:33:46.480 get to you know, it's like you get you get 0:33:46.480 --> 0:33:48.479 tickets and you sit there and I remember looking around, 0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:51.200 I think it felt like it was one hundred thousand. 0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:53.080 I don't have to they brought it in by that 0:33:53.120 --> 0:33:55.800 stage at the call, but it was Bulldogs first Paramatta 0:33:55.880 --> 0:33:58.280 to go onto the Grand Final and it was electric 0:33:58.440 --> 0:34:01.200 and incredible. And that was the backer then and. 0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.880 D of the run of what hang fiery team like 0:34:04.040 --> 0:34:06.960 the fans of those two clubs are as fire as 0:34:06.960 --> 0:34:07.320 you get. 0:34:07.400 --> 0:34:10.719 Well, the Roosters at that point that week brought over 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:13.880 a young South African kid. He was a fullback and 0:34:14.040 --> 0:34:15.840 they were trying to they were going to sign him, 0:34:16.040 --> 0:34:18.960 and I remember I was talking to Peter. It was 0:34:19.000 --> 0:34:21.279 Peter Solom and Bryan Smith at the time, and they 0:34:21.320 --> 0:34:23.799 brought him over here to just have a look and say, mate, 0:34:23.840 --> 0:34:25.359 run through some drills and we'll see what you think. 0:34:26.000 --> 0:34:27.719 And I said, oh, you know, you could see his 0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:30.279 very talent kid. Then they said we're going to what 0:34:30.320 --> 0:34:31.799 we're going to do tonight. We're going to take him 0:34:31.840 --> 0:34:34.960 to the Paramatta versus the Bulldogs and just tell him, 0:34:35.040 --> 0:34:37.680 I mate, this is just a normal game. Well it 0:34:37.760 --> 0:34:39.960 did the reverse. He went there with the nature of 0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:42.479 the crowd, how hostile it was, and then this type 0:34:42.480 --> 0:34:44.359 of game it was and when there's no fucking way 0:34:44.400 --> 0:34:48.560 I'm signing, I'm not sign I'm not signing. I'm going 0:34:48.560 --> 0:34:49.200 to need this game. 0:34:50.160 --> 0:34:53.160 Yeah, because you and you and dad actually shared a 0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.760 teammate crossing roads Tamana tahu Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, man, 0:34:58.040 --> 0:34:59.480 I was looking when I was looking at that squad, 0:34:59.760 --> 0:35:01.480 but T would have been in the back end of 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:02.040 his career there. 0:35:02.080 --> 0:35:06.680 He was the opposite behind you. He was really welcoming 0:35:06.760 --> 0:35:08.759 to all the young Easter. I felt like T went 0:35:08.760 --> 0:35:11.360 out of his way to make sure we all felt comfortable. 0:35:11.440 --> 0:35:13.880 And that sounds a baud if you just listening to 0:35:13.880 --> 0:35:17.719 the body now, but like there's a quirky side to 0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:19.839 what haines. He was in that old school manner, but 0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.520 I think T wanted to make sure, especially maybe being 0:35:23.600 --> 0:35:27.600 Kiwi as well, that was maybe a factor. But yeah, 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.040 T was awesome, and I was very lucky because I 0:35:31.080 --> 0:35:35.680 went from Tamaara to Steve Maddeye in the centers and 0:35:35.920 --> 0:35:37.840 I was a back roller and I played on their edge, 0:35:38.040 --> 0:35:39.920 so there was a certain level of protection that I 0:35:39.920 --> 0:35:43.840 felt when I played with those two. But T was 0:35:43.920 --> 0:35:47.880 unreal and then we had a pretty cool moment. They 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:51.240 must have got him back in twenty ten because then 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:54.080 we played in the New Zealand Maltis together at the 0:35:54.120 --> 0:35:56.400 end of the year in an exhibition game and he 0:35:56.520 --> 0:35:58.400 was our captain. He was our co captain. Him and 0:35:58.440 --> 0:36:01.000 Clinton Torpy had never played for the New Multi before 0:36:01.160 --> 0:36:03.480 but at the back end of their career and they 0:36:03.480 --> 0:36:06.640 wanted to represent that side of their family. So yeah, 0:36:06.640 --> 0:36:07.839 that would have been twenty ten. 0:36:07.840 --> 0:36:10.000 Were talking about the good players there. Clinton Torby was 0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:13.680 some sort of player, but Timmarna like just just freakish. 0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.040 The presence he had on his edge. Now when he 0:36:16.080 --> 0:36:18.120 really matured as a player and he became as good 0:36:18.160 --> 0:36:21.520 in defense as attack made, the presence he had it 0:36:21.560 --> 0:36:24.880 was terrifying. Remember two thousand and seven, there was a 0:36:24.880 --> 0:36:28.719 Grand Final qualifier at the Telstradome whatever it's called, the 0:36:28.880 --> 0:36:33.000 Marvel Stadium down there, Paramatta versus Storm and two was 0:36:33.000 --> 0:36:35.840 against Israel and he just tore his role to pieces. 0:36:36.280 --> 0:36:38.919 Melbourne won the game, but Timarna was the best player 0:36:38.960 --> 0:36:40.640 in the field by mile. I remember at full time 0:36:40.640 --> 0:36:42.799 belly A went up and grabbed Timaa because it was 0:36:42.800 --> 0:36:45.040 Timara's last game three. He went back to Union just 0:36:45.040 --> 0:36:47.960 grabbed him and said, mate, I've fucking never seen a 0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.319 performance like that before he was. 0:36:50.480 --> 0:36:53.600 He was amazing because like we all like from your time, Matie, 0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:56.560 and you know when he started Newcastle he was this 0:36:56.719 --> 0:36:59.279 highlight reel on the on on the wing and the 0:36:59.320 --> 0:37:02.000 flick passes from kids and all that. By the time 0:37:02.040 --> 0:37:03.880 he got to us. I remember twenty ten. Actually there 0:37:03.920 --> 0:37:06.560 was a game where Sammy Burgess first year and he 0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.560 smokes Daniel Mortimer like proper, got him bad and then 0:37:10.719 --> 0:37:13.000 and he was our left he was my left edge 0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.440 half and then Tamarna went after and got Sammy your 0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:20.200 beauty in that game. Just there's a bit of a payback, yeah, 0:37:20.200 --> 0:37:22.160 because Sammy was a right edge back rower when he 0:37:22.200 --> 0:37:25.680 first got avery and then he I think maybe puts 0:37:25.680 --> 0:37:27.760 some moret he took it to the line. Sammy smokes 0:37:27.840 --> 0:37:30.440 him and then Tomato made sure he got payback for 0:37:30.520 --> 0:37:30.879 our age. 0:37:32.400 --> 0:37:33.960 We'll try to find that Jack, We'll try to get 0:37:33.960 --> 0:37:38.240 that vision. Is that the Eels in comparison to Manly 0:37:38.280 --> 0:37:41.239 You spoke about beers at Manly put on a little 0:37:41.280 --> 0:37:43.879 bit of weight. Is it work hard? Play hard? Because 0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.359 there's so many different cultures of different teams based on 0:37:46.600 --> 0:37:48.080 you know, the players you got in and the culture 0:37:48.080 --> 0:37:50.000 of the club manly is very much like that. You 0:37:50.080 --> 0:37:51.719 train hard, but you get on the beers with all 0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.240 the boys. Was paramatta like that, No, No, it was opposite. 0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:57.600 It was another way around. Yeah. 0:37:57.960 --> 0:38:01.160 Well, the year so that because Steve come from Melbourne 0:38:01.200 --> 0:38:03.040 and he was trying to implement the Melbourne way, he's 0:38:03.080 --> 0:38:06.120 a lot more detailed. The first year was a little 0:38:06.120 --> 0:38:10.760 bit loose, not loose as in probably wasn't as strict 0:38:11.160 --> 0:38:13.360 and we enjoyed a beer. Like my first year felt like, 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:15.880 you know, we had some good times and you know, 0:38:15.920 --> 0:38:18.000 I'm a rookie and going out and enjoying all that 0:38:18.000 --> 0:38:21.399 sort of stuff. Then Steve Kerney arrived and he had 0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:24.600 a strict no drinking policy after the game. So no 0:38:24.640 --> 0:38:27.719 matter wherever we went, if we traveled, we never went 0:38:27.800 --> 0:38:31.680 out and you weren't allowed to have terms. You recover 0:38:31.760 --> 0:38:34.920 in the morning, you do recovery, so completely different regime. 0:38:35.040 --> 0:38:38.120 So with that, so not even with that meaning you 0:38:38.160 --> 0:38:39.920 go the whole year basically without drinking. 0:38:39.600 --> 0:38:41.319 The whole the whole You could have a drink on 0:38:41.440 --> 0:38:45.040 the following day if the schedule allowed it. But he 0:38:45.200 --> 0:38:46.719 was pretty like Steve was pretty full. 0:38:46.880 --> 0:38:48.120 I think that can be counteractive. 0:38:48.480 --> 0:38:52.120 Yeah, yeah, because it's like and letting people know that 0:38:52.280 --> 0:38:55.000 rarely do you get seven day eight day turnarounds. When 0:38:55.040 --> 0:38:56.840 you do get him, you're like, far, this is awesome. 0:38:56.840 --> 0:38:58.239 We can have a beer, which is like if you 0:38:58.280 --> 0:39:01.000 play Saturday the following Saturday, so to push it back 0:39:01.000 --> 0:39:02.719 another day, you're not allowed to drink after the game. 0:39:03.080 --> 0:39:04.719 There'd probably only be three times a year. 0:39:05.440 --> 0:39:07.160 Like, we're young too, so we had some rap bags 0:39:07.160 --> 0:39:08.640 in the team, well, sneaking away, having. 0:39:08.440 --> 0:39:10.360 A skin feel free to throw on the bus, but. 0:39:10.239 --> 0:39:15.400 We weren't ready. Matur Wren was leading the way. You 0:39:15.440 --> 0:39:19.080 can't get in trouble now, so there was a laugh 0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.040 at it now. Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a 0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:22.719 bit of a game where you know, I would break 0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:26.000 away and you know then you know, try to test 0:39:26.040 --> 0:39:28.040 the rules as much as and and look, you think 0:39:28.080 --> 0:39:30.040 you getting away with it too at the time because 0:39:30.080 --> 0:39:32.799 you're young, and they know, like they're finding out when 0:39:32.800 --> 0:39:35.200 we're sneaking off to the cross or something after a 0:39:35.200 --> 0:39:36.880 game when we're not supposed to, and there's a certain 0:39:36.960 --> 0:39:38.879 amount of rules. But yeah, that was the rule though, 0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:44.560 and and and yeah, those a couple of rough years. 0:39:45.560 --> 0:39:48.279 We weren't winning games as well, so as you know, 0:39:48.320 --> 0:39:52.560 as you know, sometimes you know, after after a loss, 0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:54.000 sometimes you just want to have a schooner and just 0:39:54.000 --> 0:39:58.640 get some stuff off your chest and with others. 0:39:58.680 --> 0:40:00.759 Sometimes the answer is that the bottom of the of 0:40:01.160 --> 0:40:01.720 like a bottle. 0:40:01.840 --> 0:40:07.720 Literally Saturday Night Live, a couple of beers. 0:40:05.600 --> 0:40:12.560 Yeah, Shane Gillis, Shane Gillis the other one a little bump. 0:40:15.200 --> 0:40:18.239 Not that we can done that sort of thing, absolutely not, no, no, 0:40:18.320 --> 0:40:20.440 But I remember when we were at Melbourne, same thing, 0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.040 a few rat like we had a little bit of 0:40:22.040 --> 0:40:25.680 a rat pack and we go out like, no, you're 0:40:25.719 --> 0:40:27.839 not supposed to go out seven day turnaround sometimes, you know, 0:40:28.000 --> 0:40:30.440 let's go out six day turnarounds. We're supposed to review 0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:33.560 the next day. And we go out. Now stupid to us, 0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:35.880 we go to the one place that we're really hooked 0:40:35.920 --> 0:40:38.320 up at and that was the Albion in South Melbourne 0:40:38.320 --> 0:40:41.520 because Robbie Kerns was part owner of it. So the 0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:43.359 Kurrn Dog, we ring the kern Dog. He's at home 0:40:43.400 --> 0:40:45.839 having dinner with his family mate. You get us in yeah, 0:40:45.880 --> 0:40:48.840 by the Oath boys, like like we thought we were 0:40:48.840 --> 0:40:50.640 going to get away with it when we're going to 0:40:50.719 --> 0:40:54.120 an old Player's Club who was still employed by the club, 0:40:54.520 --> 0:40:56.200 and we'd roll in the next day, all we winking 0:40:56.200 --> 0:40:58.359 at each other, like telling stories to the locker room. 0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:01.120 We'd go up to the video session and then then 0:41:01.160 --> 0:41:05.800 be like, hey, yeah, can I can Coops Munster, Harry Brandon, 0:41:05.800 --> 0:41:08.400 Can you guys just stay back as well? And we're going, Oh, ship, 0:41:08.600 --> 0:41:09.040 you think. 0:41:08.840 --> 0:41:10.520 You're getting away with it when you're winning too, right, 0:41:10.960 --> 0:41:12.680 if you're winning, you think you can sneak in there 0:41:12.719 --> 0:41:15.080 and then and then you're just like, there's no way 0:41:15.120 --> 0:41:19.640 we're getting away with it. But you're young, naive, You're naive, Yeah, 0:41:19.640 --> 0:41:21.680 you don't. You're good too much, good fun. 0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:23.759 So what were the circumstances and going to mamily then? 0:41:24.320 --> 0:41:26.600 Were you let go buy eels or do you do? 0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:27.400 You just go for it. 0:41:27.560 --> 0:41:29.240 I've got the punt. I got the punt from Sticky, 0:41:29.320 --> 0:41:33.799 So join the club, Ricky. Yeah, this is this is 0:41:33.800 --> 0:41:37.000 one of my like one of my most famous stories 0:41:37.000 --> 0:41:38.880 that I've told on podcasts now over the years. But 0:41:39.400 --> 0:41:41.600 we'll pretend like, yeah, first this is the first time 0:41:41.640 --> 0:41:45.520 for you guys, so and your audience potentially, but do 0:41:45.600 --> 0:41:48.720 you remember the story about Ricky Stewart having the board 0:41:48.800 --> 0:41:51.480 up the head projector the projector and it was like 0:41:51.560 --> 0:41:55.080 nine names on it, and he's like, you guys, you 0:41:55.080 --> 0:41:58.279 know you're not required at the club. Did it all 0:41:58.320 --> 0:42:00.279 together in front of the players as well, that where 0:42:00.760 --> 0:42:04.279 that was still going to stay at the club, and yeah, 0:42:04.320 --> 0:42:07.400 so if you can find another spot, yep, so go 0:42:07.480 --> 0:42:09.240 chat to your managers. You're not going to be required 0:42:09.600 --> 0:42:11.640 next year probably, I think it was even you can 0:42:11.680 --> 0:42:15.360 go as as quickly as you want anyway, So that 0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:18.880 was a whole big deal. I was. I was pre board, 0:42:19.080 --> 0:42:21.640 so I was. He punted me before he'd even rocked up, 0:42:21.640 --> 0:42:24.680 so before he'd got to the club, he had to 0:42:24.719 --> 0:42:27.760 get there and see you know, nine or ten players 0:42:27.760 --> 0:42:29.560 and figure out all right, I don't want anything to 0:42:29.560 --> 0:42:29.759 do that. 0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:30.880 So you were p o G. 0:42:31.080 --> 0:42:34.080 You were pre overhead, pre overhead, pre overhead. So he 0:42:34.160 --> 0:42:36.400 just called my manager before it even arrived at the club, 0:42:36.520 --> 0:42:39.439 hadn't had a conversation with us, and then goes, look, 0:42:39.480 --> 0:42:41.279 he's not he's just going to be playing yourself wells 0:42:41.360 --> 0:42:43.759 Cup next year. If you want to find a gig 0:42:43.800 --> 0:42:45.600 and all that, then you can you can do that. 0:42:45.680 --> 0:42:47.759 So it was a blessing in disguise It worked out 0:42:47.800 --> 0:42:49.880 really well for me because I went to Manly. But 0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.840 there was a period of about two months where because 0:42:53.840 --> 0:42:56.560 he was so and I respected that about him now 0:42:56.960 --> 0:43:00.400 like whether he meant that for me to to go 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.960 on to greener pastures or whatever it was. But because 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:06.200 I got clarity so early on, I could make the 0:43:06.280 --> 0:43:09.319 decision go to Manly. It worked out really well for 0:43:09.360 --> 0:43:11.080 me in hindsight, went to the Grand Final the next 0:43:11.120 --> 0:43:14.120 year after I wouldn't spoon year the year before, so 0:43:15.080 --> 0:43:17.480 it gave me the time to sort of plan and 0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:22.000 figure it out. But the two months from about maybe 0:43:23.719 --> 0:43:26.480 July into October, I didn't have a club, so I 0:43:26.560 --> 0:43:29.520 was like every under started back preseason and I wasn't 0:43:29.560 --> 0:43:30.920 back doing Like I didn't have a club and I 0:43:30.920 --> 0:43:32.480 was going to probably go to Super League early, so 0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:36.239 got to figure it out, got to Manly and yeah 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:37.160 it worked out really well. 0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:40.719 Yeah right, because Twos was your coach the whole What 0:43:40.800 --> 0:43:41.360 about Twos? 0:43:41.440 --> 0:43:43.720 Like how close I was sitting there before the twenty 0:43:43.719 --> 0:43:46.440 thirteen Grand Final, you placed leading in a half time. Now, 0:43:46.440 --> 0:43:49.359 if you're going to win that game, which looked very likely, 0:43:49.360 --> 0:43:52.799 that halftime is by far the better team, Like where 0:43:52.880 --> 0:43:55.480 where does twos. What's twos doing now? I mean that 0:43:55.560 --> 0:43:58.480 second half. It just shows you how quickly things change. 0:43:58.160 --> 0:44:01.440 Yeah, even like Brad Arthur right from a couple of 0:44:01.520 --> 0:44:04.880 years ago. You know, he gets like different circumstances, he 0:44:04.880 --> 0:44:07.160 gets dusted, but then he's gone within a year or two. 0:44:07.160 --> 0:44:09.719 I want to ask you about that scope playing for Paramatter, 0:44:09.920 --> 0:44:10.920 do you feel the pressure? 0:44:13.640 --> 0:44:17.000 Probably not to my level, because but I understand I know, 0:44:17.160 --> 0:44:20.680 like the top tier guys did I know, like Jared Felder, 0:44:20.719 --> 0:44:23.920 obviously he stands out. He was not only an important 0:44:23.920 --> 0:44:27.279 player for Paramatter but league wide, especially when I made 0:44:27.280 --> 0:44:31.160 that decision to go to the NFL. Now, just because 0:44:31.640 --> 0:44:34.000 I guess my level will play like where I stood 0:44:34.040 --> 0:44:36.160 in the locker room, I always just knew that like 0:44:36.239 --> 0:44:38.120 I was, the pressure for me was fighting to make 0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.160 the seventeen each week, So I always had that pressure 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:44.880 every week. I didn't really feel any external pressure around 0:44:44.880 --> 0:44:47.600 club pressure or anything like that, even though I understood 0:44:47.600 --> 0:44:49.839 the history because my dad was a Paramatter, he will 0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.520 play it too, So I understood the history, but not 0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:54.560 the pressure to just sort of live up to any 0:44:54.560 --> 0:44:58.160 expectations or the long drought of what parody Matter had 0:44:58.200 --> 0:44:58.560 gone through. 0:44:58.640 --> 0:45:01.200 It's the most boom it will bust club in the league. 0:45:01.239 --> 0:45:03.480 If you go back certain years, like two thousand and 0:45:03.800 --> 0:45:06.080 one they made the Grand Final, they dropped off from 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:09.880 there the golfs one like two thousand and two thousand 0:45:09.880 --> 0:45:13.239 and nine and twenty ten, dramatic drop off and we've 0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.439 we're like twenty twenty two they made the Grand Final 0:45:15.480 --> 0:45:19.280 against Penrith and the next two years after that really 0:45:19.320 --> 0:45:20.640 again dramatic drop off. 0:45:20.760 --> 0:45:23.440 They miss it the eight and then battling for the 0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.960 spoon in twenty four. Man, it's crazy how it just 0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:27.640 that happens like that. Yeah, it really is. 0:45:27.880 --> 0:45:31.440 How some sides just maintain and others just golf a cliff. 0:45:31.640 --> 0:45:33.440 That's the end of part one, right that, time to 0:45:33.520 --> 0:45:37.160 jump over for part two, which I hope you enjoy 0:45:37.280 --> 0:45:38.919 every bit as much I know you will.