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Speaker 1: Is that right, Dake?

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Speaker 2: How many can I'll get on my plate?

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Speaker 1: You know what else is on my plate? Bro?

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Speaker 2: This is running by the way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What about that alarm clock that goes off every morning

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Speaker 1: on four thirty and keeps up?

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Speaker 2: I know that I did it for years?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you don't do it now though?

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Speaker 3: Did it go off at four thirty this morning? A

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Speaker 3: little bit later?

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Speaker 1: A little bit later? I shouldn't have dog do that.

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Speaker 1: We're starting to get out. Let's do a big emotional

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Speaker 1: intro that we do for everyone justin Horror aka Scope

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Speaker 1: Eels Legend mainly Seagle's Legend media behemoth doing excellent.

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Speaker 2: Emerging, Yeah, emerging behind the Darth Vader that his dent

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Speaker 2: and camp.

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Speaker 3: But welcome to the potty mate, Thanks boys, thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Good on your mate?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, because you know it wasn't an easy drive

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Speaker 1: over it. You were saying that, and you've invoiced just

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Speaker 1: for the fuel that you need to come over here.

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Speaker 1: The tolls, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, I'll settle for an uppercrust pie. Oh yeah, mate,

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Speaker 3: that was so. I used to just live around the

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Speaker 3: corner in my first year of Manly and a freaking

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Speaker 3: that frequent that a couple of times after a big night.

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Speaker 1: How good is that?

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Speaker 3: A few beers in the next morning, a Sunday morning. Nothing, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: what type of pie? What you get? The chicken and

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Speaker 2: Oh, white wine?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a steak, onion and cheese.

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Speaker 3: I a steak and cheese would be one number two.

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Speaker 3: I don't hate it, but just nice and simple for

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Speaker 3: the pie. In saying that chicken and white one probably

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Speaker 3: So when I got Overary, everyone told me you've got

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, letting people know if you want the best pie,

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Speaker 1: I think in New South Wales, upper crust, the northern but.

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Speaker 2: It's got best pie in Australia three years running. Yeah wow,

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Speaker 2: When you go past the site, the side of the premise.

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Speaker 1: It does they advertise it. When you go up there

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Speaker 1: Don't go between eleven thirty and twelve thirty. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you something because you like, you'll be line enough

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Speaker 1: for ages. What else they do? Excellent stuff apple pie

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Speaker 3: If I was going to mix it up spinach and recorder,

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Speaker 3: I don't want just like a nice spinach and recorder roll.

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Speaker 3: So that was another option. Sometimes a pie and a spinach. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I forgot to carry. I like the carry pies. I've

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Speaker 2: just got into them, and the paper steak pies. But

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Speaker 1: Curry ones are really good. I find it weird that

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Speaker 2: The areas that have had a tradition of coal mining

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Speaker 1: Really so is there any.

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Speaker 2: And then someone along the somewhere along the way, someone

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Because New Zealand do good pies too, Yeah, really good,

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Speaker 1: Will Warbrick when he came over to Storm from New

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Speaker 3: A lot of Kiwis will back that up, like Kiwi's

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they take it personally, they do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Will Water. The seventh player for all bakes.

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Speaker 1: Moses Leo, who's debut A Couples.

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Speaker 2: Good to see him get a start, Yeah, really good.

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Speaker 2: The more that come across the more that we'll come across.

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Speaker 1: Trend trend exactly.

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Speaker 3: Mate.

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Speaker 1: We had Cheese on the podcast a little bit ago

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Speaker 1: and we told some good Byron Bay stories. Your name

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Speaker 1: Some good memories. I remember you were up there with

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Speaker 1: Corey Norman, James c Giaro, Chicko.

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Speaker 1: The same year he was up there and Maddie Moylan.

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Speaker 3: And Moya so our crew, so Toddy Carney was there

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Speaker 1: It was funny, remember we were because it was Melbourne Cup.

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Speaker 1: all had instruments. No, they were homeless. They were sitting

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Speaker 2: They're homeless.

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Speaker 1: Yeah maybe I don't know.

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Speaker 3: But we didn't clarify that, did we. But we just

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Speaker 1: The the guitar with him because Cheese was like, that's

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Speaker 1: So we went out there and we started playing Better

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Speaker 2: For people who haven't got home, I know, for the homeless.

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Speaker 3: And remember there was the guy playing like the flute

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Speaker 3: and it was a great night, mate, that was a

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Speaker 3: great moment, Like, yeah, the day was awesome, but I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, better be home soon. It should have been

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Speaker 2: hope to get her home soon.

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Speaker 1: Well, the rest of us were okay.

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Speaker 1: But remember normally as well. Jack actually reminded me when

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Speaker 3: It was.

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Speaker 4: It was awesome.

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Speaker 3: That's why I don't remember it, because we'd come over

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Speaker 1: That was the night that one of my favorite memories

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Speaker 1: Shandle and Normy and somebody we all our shirts off,

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Speaker 1: to Normy and he goes, I will never not have abs.

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Speaker 1: Everyone needs to call him because he had normally had

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Speaker 1: that just notorious pot belly. Yeah mutters, Yeah, it would

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Speaker 3: That's what that's my nickname for him, mutters because the mudguts,

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Speaker 2: There's a field and going around at the mat. It's

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Speaker 2: a story in the Sport. Oh it's a big one.

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Speaker 2: It's a magazine associated with the New York Times, and

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Speaker 2: they explained the dadboard off mahomes. They was saying that

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Speaker 2: they can do it, a little bit of everything makes them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I remember money Munster said when he actually

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Speaker 1: he was actually so hard to like, you know what

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Speaker 1: it's like to try to wrestle someone. You try to

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Speaker 1: get double underhooks and then pop the loll back. He

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Speaker 1: because it was like a lot of belly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean if you look at fighters, if fighters

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Speaker 1: He's brought this up on every podcast the last four weeks.

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Speaker 2: all different. Yeah, Hence let's continue for instance, have you

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Speaker 3: It was completely different because we had Steve Kerney and

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Speaker 1: The current manly side. Would you consider yourself a manly

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Speaker 1: Yeah, even like Jake Preston.

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Speaker 3: imagine it would have been disrupted did he play for Tonga,

438
00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,000
Speaker 3: he would have. Yeah, so he must have had a

439
00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 3: really good January February gone into the season because that

440
00:19:32,800 --> 00:19:36,119
Speaker 3: was announced, And yeah, a great sign for Hemole and

441
00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,440
Speaker 3: chairs on that right. Edgewall currently.

442
00:19:41,760 --> 00:19:46,920
Speaker 2: The rooster, but he not love with I look at Himlee,

443
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 2: and I think to myself, like at the moment, it's

444
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:51,280
Speaker 2: feed to Malee early. He wants the ball early. But

445
00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,320
Speaker 2: for him, if he takes that next step in his

446
00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,639
Speaker 2: career and actually starts to take a leaf out of

447
00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:59,320
Speaker 2: say Preston or Britain Nicker's book and actually start to

448
00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:03,960
Speaker 2: whack mate, honestly, he's unstoppable. Like you saw the difference

449
00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 2: a few years ago with David Feeder operating on that left,

450
00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:08,639
Speaker 2: and he was a player just like, oh, give me

451
00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:10,720
Speaker 2: the ball early, and then all of a sudden he

452
00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 2: had a really good twelve months because he had Kieran

453
00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:16,159
Speaker 2: foran teaching about the science of the game, you know,

454
00:20:16,200 --> 00:20:20,000
Speaker 2: and that's that's like Preston, Jacob Preston. Would he survive

455
00:20:20,080 --> 00:20:22,840
Speaker 2: if he just kept getting the ball early? You know? Maybe,

456
00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: but would he be as good to play it? No

457
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:26,439
Speaker 2: way in the world. It's learning that sort of science

458
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,160
Speaker 2: of the game with a lot of players. It's next step.

459
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:32,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, how much did like you've played with Chas, how

460
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:35,280
Speaker 1: much of an impact does Chess have for his back rollers?

461
00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,120
Speaker 3: Because I imagine it was tough. I really struggled because

462
00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: I started with Kieren on the left, so when I

463
00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,600
Speaker 3: was on the left, Kieran as you know, like it

464
00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,440
Speaker 3: was krying it there as well for us here.

465
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,560
Speaker 1: He just got to the Titans. H have some salary

466
00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:49,040
Speaker 1: cap for me.

467
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: Big money signing from the Dylan Brown of Manly. Fozzy

468
00:20:55,760 --> 00:20:58,840
Speaker 3: was so detailed prepared before games and then would even

469
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,800
Speaker 3: just see cues as the game was on flowing, so

470
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:03,800
Speaker 3: he might tell me becuzzy you're going to be getting

471
00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 3: it mad He get it, Maddi's inside shoulder. A couple

472
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,119
Speaker 3: of plays before we're going to I want you to

473
00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,040
Speaker 3: lay that line, but we've got something else coming to

474
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 3: the right. So I was like, always had a plan

475
00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:14,679
Speaker 3: with fozz with chairs. There was none of that, and

476
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:16,880
Speaker 3: that was maybe it's changed over time. He's probably got

477
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:20,439
Speaker 3: better better at over the years, but I used to

478
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: just have to react. And there was a couple of

479
00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:27,600
Speaker 3: games we were really struggling, so Tubs and Dave Penner,

480
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,320
Speaker 3: where he was the assistant coach, He's like, here, you're

481
00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,800
Speaker 3: going on the right and I said, oh, yeah, no,

482
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,120
Speaker 3: it's just trying to figure it out, but yeah, we'll

483
00:21:34,119 --> 00:21:37,359
Speaker 3: get there. And they said, oh, well it's not working.

484
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 3: We're going to flick your back over to the left.

485
00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 3: So I spent some time back on the left, and

486
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:44,480
Speaker 3: then out of necessity, i'd actually been sort of just

487
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,560
Speaker 3: fell out of favor a little bit in fifteen, and

488
00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:49,000
Speaker 3: then in order to get myself back in the team,

489
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 3: I had to play on the right. And I actually

490
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:54,560
Speaker 3: ended up fitting finishing twenty fifteen really good with him,

491
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 3: because I started to realize, all right, you just got

492
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,840
Speaker 3: to be ready for everything. It's not. It's not like

493
00:21:58,920 --> 00:22:03,200
Speaker 3: Fozz so his mannerisms and and you know he'd start

494
00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 3: sharp as he looks like he's about to tack in

495
00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:07,679
Speaker 3: behind the markers, but then he'd kick out. All right,

496
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,239
Speaker 3: So now I'm dropping under. Just little things like that

497
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,280
Speaker 3: I got, I had to get better at. And it's

498
00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 3: a little bit different, like I said, a little bit different.

499
00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,720
Speaker 1: With Yeah, I always found that. I found that very

500
00:22:18,720 --> 00:22:21,160
Speaker 1: surprising when I got to mainly like for someone who

501
00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,359
Speaker 1: you know, played Australia, played Origin, Chez wasn't a big

502
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: like of community, a communicator for what he was going

503
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,920
Speaker 1: to do. He was just so off the cuff and

504
00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:33,320
Speaker 1: it was like you the players around him need to

505
00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:34,800
Speaker 1: know what he's going to do. Like he's still very

506
00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:36,719
Speaker 1: much like that, Like you know, he would just float

507
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,960
Speaker 1: and he's so good. He's got such a good iq

508
00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 1: of just reacting to the defense, which a lot of

509
00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,200
Speaker 1: people don't. Munster's got that. Remember when Trent le Aero

510
00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:47,800
Speaker 1: first went into first grade, he played on the left

511
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: edge with Munster and they really struggled for the year

512
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,400
Speaker 1: because Trent was someone that needed to know like I'll

513
00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 1: do whatever you tell me, but I need to know,

514
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:59,119
Speaker 1: like what you need to tell me, and Money go yeah, yah,

515
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:02,040
Speaker 1: sweet and wouldn't tell anything and then just take off, yeah,

516
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 1: and then just take off and like he just do.

517
00:23:04,359 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: We used to call it mun ball, which is like

518
00:23:05,960 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 1: only not even mone knows what he's doing, So how's

519
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:10,800
Speaker 1: the defense going to know? But then Train obviously moved

520
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 1: into the middle and he was like, oh, I found

521
00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 1: my game. So it benefited me so much more because

522
00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 1: in the middle it's so stocked, standard structured. But you

523
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: see Sean Blaher on that left edge. Now he's very

524
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 1: good at reacting to what Money does.

525
00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah.

526
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: Well, that's what makes a great combination, isn't it. Like

527
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,879
Speaker 2: if you look at Chairs and Kieran. You've got Kieran

528
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,359
Speaker 2: who can set structure up and tell you who's getting

529
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: to it and be really thorough. And then on the

530
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 2: other side of the field you got a wild a

531
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 2: maverick who just jumps around. You can find that happy

532
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:40,159
Speaker 2: you meet him in Melbourne twenty seventeen. He had Cooper

533
00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 2: Krank operating around the field and you had Munster who

534
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 2: was just playing completely on instinct. It's a great combination.

535
00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 2: Otherwise you've got two halves here trying to play halfback.

536
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 3: That's why. So before I moved over there, that was

537
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: the year that Gift he had moved on Glenn Stewart.

538
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,760
Speaker 3: So Glenn Steward and Jamie Lyon that was his right

539
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,360
Speaker 3: edge to begin his career. They're just out and out

540
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,239
Speaker 3: footy players. Yes, Like I've seen you talk about him

541
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 3: before Matty in years past. Like they were just really

542
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 3: like top tier park footy players. You know, they play

543
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: exactly what's in front of him. So like Glenn Stewart

544
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,600
Speaker 3: had a few moves that he would work each game,

545
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 3: but off you know, those three on that right edge,

546
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 3: whatever they've seen and if it was if they got numbers,

547
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 3: it didn't it didn't matter. No one had to felt

548
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 3: like they didn't have to say anything and they were

549
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 3: just in sync and they'll just take like they'll just

550
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:26,400
Speaker 3: go after it mate.

551
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:28,560
Speaker 2: I mean, it was so good for Dali when he

552
00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 2: got in there. You have for Blake's a great running game.

553
00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: I have the advantage line, you know, dip out if

554
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: he likes what he sees, take him on if he

555
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:39,240
Speaker 2: doesn't feed Glenn early, Yep, it's a great way.

556
00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 3: Glenn would just sit there. We used to have a playoff.

557
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 3: What was called still maybe something like Freshly short side

558
00:24:45,760 --> 00:24:47,840
Speaker 3: fresh or something. We used to sit there and imagine

559
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 3: they've changed the name now. Glenn would sit there three

560
00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:52,160
Speaker 3: on three and then you know, if he got three

561
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,840
Speaker 3: on three or even two, like they're taking it, but

562
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:56,920
Speaker 3: he'd just go, Chess, let's go. And then Chess would

563
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 3: just start ripping from the open side of the plate

564
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: down the short side, and then I just crowded. And

565
00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 3: then you know that silky little play that used to

566
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 3: do at the back of the center that was just

567
00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 3: always off the calf. That wasn't that was never planned really,

568
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:11,760
Speaker 3: that was just whatever Gifty saying did.

569
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,640
Speaker 1: Imagine like when you're doing edge v edge of training,

570
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,639
Speaker 1: if you're on the left edge defending those four was

571
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: that just a nightmare?

572
00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 3: It was the best. Like that's why improved so much

573
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 3: in thirteen and fourteen, Like I just learned how to

574
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 3: play like rugby league, even though I couldn't execute the

575
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 3: same as what those those guys did. It was just

576
00:25:29,359 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: learning the game. So like there was and the battle

577
00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 3: between Stevie Mattowe and Jamie Lyon, they used to be

578
00:25:36,280 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 3: really competitive against each other. So training, you know, I

579
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 3: always say this all the time, like training sessions were

580
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: harder than games. Sometimes wow, Like it was just on

581
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 3: and it was a great environment and I'd just be

582
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 3: observing everything and just trying to you know, I try

583
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: to do those moooths. I said, you enjoy a little

584
00:25:55,800 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 3: short side fresh of this week and you get like

585
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 3: just put it in the back pocket, even the tools. Yeah,

586
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:05,919
Speaker 3: just from me inside three men.

587
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 2: Look at Jamie Lyne. I haven't seen many more pure

588
00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 2: footballers than killer. I mean you're talking about dad, like

589
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: James Draham. I've said before it turned up when he

590
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 2: turned up a Saint Helen's from we wore they went

591
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: look at this blog and they did fitness and he

592
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:24,720
Speaker 2: was so far behind everyone. But as soon as the

593
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 2: ball hit his hands over her and went sheesus Christy with.

594
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,800
Speaker 3: This bloke played against him for a couple of years

595
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 3: before we got there. He's a player that I didn't

596
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 3: appreciate enough until I got there. Just a really good

597
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,880
Speaker 3: gym and really good locker room guy. He's obviously our skipper,

598
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 3: but just yeah, he dusted us up so much on

599
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: that left first right, just training, just doing little moves

600
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,480
Speaker 3: and subtleties that you're just like, wow, Like I got

601
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 3: to see it every pretty much every week.

602
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 2: You know what about the market at the moment we're

603
00:26:50,520 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 2: talking about this before the podcast, and you know, like

604
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 2: the DCE situation, which we've spoken about, don't I spoke

605
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:00,720
Speaker 2: to you a bit. It's when we're on the radio

606
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 2: to say, there are so few quality pure number seven's

607
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: out there that I thought there is no way that

608
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,720
Speaker 2: mainly are going to allow him to wander out the

609
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:11,879
Speaker 2: door if someone pinch him. And now what the Dylan

610
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,879
Speaker 2: Brown contractor has done to the rest of the market

611
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,080
Speaker 2: suddenly got locky Galvin, some people saying five years, a

612
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 2: million dollars a year lock He must be going Jesus,

613
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:21,680
Speaker 2: I could just sit on my ars and my price

614
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 2: is going to go up. And then you've got a

615
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,520
Speaker 2: little bit of a story. The Fletch said to me,

616
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:29,280
Speaker 2: as we're recording this just recently on Isaiah Atoa. That

617
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 2: might be proven wrong as this is put out, but

618
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: talk that he's unsettled at the Dolphins, well, the reason

619
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: he's unsettled just to say his managers had to look

620
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: at the money going around and thought to himself, mate,

621
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,719
Speaker 2: I could probably get one point three A mean one

622
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 2: point three million a year for Isaiah.

623
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, especially because I've seen the clip when you're

624
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 3: talking to Fletch about it. He just did his deal too,

625
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: So there might be a little bit of frustration from

626
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: not only the players if they've just got a deal

627
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,159
Speaker 3: done because of the Dylan Brown situation, but even the

628
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,320
Speaker 3: manager's gone Jesus could have put it a little bit

629
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 3: more or how can we figure out a way to

630
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 3: sort of get this reupt.

631
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: Because he is a player. They just can't let go

632
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 2: no Dolphins, so they have to find any means possible

633
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:12,639
Speaker 2: to keep him in that club.

634
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you look at the hearts coming through in the

635
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: next five years when your Chess's and that sort of

636
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:21,879
Speaker 1: the leaders that are in there now, Monster's hues he

637
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,720
Speaker 1: come towards the end, it's Katowa Galvant like, they're going

638
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 1: to be the next you know, they're going to be

639
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: the next Origin Stars. And if you don't retain those blokes,

640
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:31,919
Speaker 1: now there's going to be They're going to be in

641
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: a world I heard for ten years who is playing

642
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 1: against them?

643
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 2: But you know, on the manly situation again with DC,

644
00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:40,040
Speaker 2: what has confirmed probably the madness of letting him go

645
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,280
Speaker 2: is have a look at the difference and this guy

646
00:28:42,360 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 2: is not a seven, but he's a clever player operates

647
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:45,720
Speaker 2: in the middle of the field. Have look at the

648
00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 2: difference that Dylan Walker made when he came on the

649
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: field the other day from Aramund. Immediately he got into

650
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: that middle field, he alleviated the pressure off Hawkins and

651
00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 2: Dylan Brown and make his past selection. Everything changed, the

652
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 2: tempo of their attackers went through the roof. That's purely experienced.

653
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:06,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, he's a free Dan Brown end up running

654
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: about eighteen times off the back of that.

655
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 2: Didn't he make You just saw the difference scope because

656
00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: he just took the pressure of him as far as

657
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 2: decision making and pushing the side around the park.

658
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,080
Speaker 1: Hey, going back to let's go back to into your

659
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: VID of your career for a sec. Started a paramount

660
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,440
Speaker 1: up some of the players that you played with, because

661
00:29:22,000 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: the I think the skipper when you were there was

662
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: Matthew's colleague Nathan hein Marsh.

663
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: The first year was Kaylo Nathan Caylis and then Heindi

664
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 3: eleven twelve.

665
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: What was because Heindi is a Matthew, He's a look

666
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: he was an outstanding player three hundred gamer, but his

667
00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,840
Speaker 1: personality I find he would have been a very strange

668
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: sort of captain mate.

669
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:46,760
Speaker 3: I was always all right with Heindi. For some reason,

670
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 3: he was hard on younger guys, like he was a

671
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 3: bit of an old school.

672
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 2: Very old school guy.

673
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he tries to keep it up now on

674
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 3: the show sometimes with players. I don't know how to

675
00:29:57,440 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 3: explain it. I don't know, because I'd spent a lot

676
00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 3: of similar to you guys, Coop and Jack, because you

677
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: spend a lot of time around n ROL players. Because

678
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 3: of my dad playing first grade, I probably didn't get

679
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,880
Speaker 3: as star struck early on that which some players go

680
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 3: through when they you know, when they start off, they

681
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 3: can be a bit tentative. So yeah, I never really

682
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 3: felt like that with Heindy, but I used to see

683
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: him sometimes. He used to put it on and and

684
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 3: you know, he's the sort of guy to you know,

685
00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 3: might put someone on show but then give you a

686
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: wink like when they walk past and all that sort

687
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 3: of stuff. But yeah, he was mad. He was good.

688
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 3: He was good. He was at the back end, a

689
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 3: legend of the club. What's that that old award when

690
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:43,200
Speaker 3: it was like the fans voted.

691
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: For him every single year, like he hated it getting

692
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 2: club into They did not.

693
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: Like it because then you know it was like, yeah,

694
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 3: the nicest guy in the w Ward basically in which

695
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 3: he was like he was, you know, he was a legend.

696
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 3: He was really good to the fans. Unreal player. You know,

697
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 3: the Premiership thing sucks for him, but you know he

698
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 3: did everything else. But yeah, he was. He was good.

699
00:31:08,400 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 3: I got I got along with him some of the

700
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:12,000
Speaker 3: other boys. You know, I took a little bit to

701
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 3: get used to Haindi, but I was always We used

702
00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 3: to sit next to each other in the in the

703
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 3: auditorium and we do like video sessions and that, and

704
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,120
Speaker 3: he says tell these like shitty little jokes. Weren't funny.

705
00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 2: He's not funny.

706
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 3: It was not funny at all. But I'd laugh at

707
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 3: how awkward it was, because you know, he's a three

708
00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:31,800
Speaker 3: hundred game, he's an origin player, trying to get on

709
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 3: his good side. He's trying to be quirky. And then

710
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 3: it would just get crickets and I would just be going.

711
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, like there's quirky, and there's quirky. That's doubly quirky

712
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 2: when you're sitting in there yard. God, that's not even funny.

713
00:31:43,280 --> 00:31:46,479
Speaker 2: Here's the strangest opendons on things sometimes. Mind it. We'll

714
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:48,000
Speaker 2: get there on the show and he'll just say something

715
00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: before and I'll say, do you really mean that?

716
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah?

717
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I said, mate, that's that's that's fair enough. Just

718
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 2: go with it. It was a negative.

719
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,480
Speaker 1: One was Jared Haynes was he was there, a young

720
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: Jared Haynes there as.

721
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:04,640
Speaker 3: Well with you Hainsey. So me and Haines were really

722
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 3: close because we went to school together. And then also

723
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 3: he lived with my family, so my parents were house

724
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: parents with Paramatta for a six year period and when

725
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: Hainesy first hit first grade, he was living in Campbelltown

726
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 3: with his mother and it was too far to travel,

727
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 3: so they moved him in with our family, and yeah,

728
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 3: he went on that crazy run he moved. So he

729
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: lived two thousand and seven and eight with us and

730
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 3: then O nine was the.

731
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 2: D M Ye yeah, yeah right, that was incredible nine

732
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 2: watching him at start of that year. Dean Leanson played

733
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,720
Speaker 2: him at six. I believe he was playing him at six,

734
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: And we commentated a game one night and like scope,

735
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 2: he was uninterested, like he was standing out there like

736
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 2: I've been watching the game. Game, mate, look at the talent.

737
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: This guy is completely wasting the talent that God gave him.

738
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: And then they moved him back to fullback halfway through

739
00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: the season. Jesus tear. What you talk about greatest runs?

740
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 2: He Calen Pong, Barber, Ben Barber, Tommy Turbo and I

741
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 2: think I think that is the greatest run I've ever seen.

742
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you go maybe probably further in the

743
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: year than Turbo because it was like a ten week

744
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 3: period with ains, right, Like the start of that year

745
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 3: was pretty bad. Like I was in the full time

746
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 3: squad at that time, so like people forget the start

747
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 3: of the year, how the form was and probably you

748
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 3: know what you're alluding to there, Maddy, But when he

749
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 3: went on that run, that was there's probably no I

750
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,840
Speaker 3: haven't seen anything like that in my footy career. The

751
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 3: energy around, like the crowds, you know, the one, the

752
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: one that stands out is to the prelim final against

753
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 3: the Bulldogs. That's the best atmosphere I've ever been involved in.

754
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: And I wasn't even a player. I was just part

755
00:33:43,200 --> 00:33:45,120
Speaker 3: of the squad at the time, so we all would

756
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 3: get to you know, it's like you get you get

757
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: tickets and you sit there and I remember looking around,

758
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: I think it felt like it was one hundred thousand.

759
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 3: I don't have to they brought it in by that

760
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 3: stage at the call, but it was Bulldogs first Paramatta

761
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 3: to go onto the Grand Final and it was electric

762
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,200
Speaker 3: and incredible. And that was the backer then and.

763
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: D of the run of what hang fiery team like

764
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: the fans of those two clubs are as fire as

765
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:07,320
Speaker 1: you get.

766
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 2: Well, the Roosters at that point that week brought over

767
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 2: a young South African kid. He was a fullback and

768
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: they were trying to they were going to sign him,

769
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 2: and I remember I was talking to Peter. It was

770
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 2: Peter Solom and Bryan Smith at the time, and they

771
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,799
Speaker 2: brought him over here to just have a look and say, mate,

772
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,359
Speaker 2: run through some drills and we'll see what you think.

773
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: And I said, oh, you know, you could see his

774
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,279
Speaker 2: very talent kid. Then they said we're going to what

775
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 2: we're going to do tonight. We're going to take him

776
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: to the Paramatta versus the Bulldogs and just tell him,

777
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: I mate, this is just a normal game. Well it

778
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:39,960
Speaker 2: did the reverse. He went there with the nature of

779
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,479
Speaker 2: the crowd, how hostile it was, and then this type

780
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: of game it was and when there's no fucking way

781
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm signing, I'm not sign I'm not signing. I'm going

782
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 2: to need this game.

783
00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you and you and dad actually shared a

784
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 1: teammate crossing roads Tamana tahu Oh Yeah, yeah, yeah, man,

785
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: I was looking when I was looking at that squad,

786
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: but T would have been in the back end of

787
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:02,040
Speaker 1: his career there.

788
00:35:02,080 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 3: He was the opposite behind you. He was really welcoming

789
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 3: to all the young Easter. I felt like T went

790
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 3: out of his way to make sure we all felt comfortable.

791
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 3: And that sounds a baud if you just listening to

792
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: the body now, but like there's a quirky side to

793
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:19,839
Speaker 3: what haines. He was in that old school manner, but

794
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 3: I think T wanted to make sure, especially maybe being

795
00:35:23,600 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 3: Kiwi as well, that was maybe a factor. But yeah,

796
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 3: T was awesome, and I was very lucky because I

797
00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:35,680
Speaker 3: went from Tamaara to Steve Maddeye in the centers and

798
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 3: I was a back roller and I played on their edge,

799
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,920
Speaker 3: so there was a certain level of protection that I

800
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,840
Speaker 3: felt when I played with those two. But T was

801
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 3: unreal and then we had a pretty cool moment. They

802
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,240
Speaker 3: must have got him back in twenty ten because then

803
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,080
Speaker 3: we played in the New Zealand Maltis together at the

804
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 3: end of the year in an exhibition game and he

805
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 3: was our captain. He was our co captain. Him and

806
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: Clinton Torpy had never played for the New Multi before

807
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 3: but at the back end of their career and they

808
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:06,640
Speaker 3: wanted to represent that side of their family. So yeah,

809
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 3: that would have been twenty ten.

810
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: Were talking about the good players there. Clinton Torby was

811
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: some sort of player, but Timmarna like just just freakish.

812
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,040
Speaker 2: The presence he had on his edge. Now when he

813
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: really matured as a player and he became as good

814
00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: in defense as attack made, the presence he had it

815
00:36:21,560 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 2: was terrifying. Remember two thousand and seven, there was a

816
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 2: Grand Final qualifier at the Telstradome whatever it's called, the

817
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:33,000
Speaker 2: Marvel Stadium down there, Paramatta versus Storm and two was

818
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: against Israel and he just tore his role to pieces.

819
00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 2: Melbourne won the game, but Timarna was the best player

820
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 2: in the field by mile. I remember at full time

821
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 2: belly A went up and grabbed Timaa because it was

822
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 2: Timara's last game three. He went back to Union just

823
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 2: grabbed him and said, mate, I've fucking never seen a

824
00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: performance like that before he was.

825
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,600
Speaker 3: He was amazing because like we all like from your time, Matie,

826
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 3: and you know when he started Newcastle he was this

827
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,279
Speaker 3: highlight reel on the on on the wing and the

828
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,000
Speaker 3: flick passes from kids and all that. By the time

829
00:37:02,040 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 3: he got to us. I remember twenty ten. Actually there

830
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: was a game where Sammy Burgess first year and he

831
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: smokes Daniel Mortimer like proper, got him bad and then

832
00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: and he was our left he was my left edge

833
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 3: half and then Tamarna went after and got Sammy your

834
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 3: beauty in that game. Just there's a bit of a payback, yeah,

835
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: because Sammy was a right edge back rower when he

836
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:25,680
Speaker 3: first got avery and then he I think maybe puts

837
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,760
Speaker 3: some moret he took it to the line. Sammy smokes

838
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 3: him and then Tomato made sure he got payback for

839
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:30,879
Speaker 3: our age.

840
00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: We'll try to find that Jack, We'll try to get

841
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,240
Speaker 1: that vision. Is that the Eels in comparison to Manly

842
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 1: You spoke about beers at Manly put on a little

843
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:43,879
Speaker 1: bit of weight. Is it work hard? Play hard? Because

844
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: there's so many different cultures of different teams based on

845
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, the players you got in and the culture

846
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: of the club manly is very much like that. You

847
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,719
Speaker 1: train hard, but you get on the beers with all

848
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:55,240
Speaker 1: the boys. Was paramatta like that, No, No, it was opposite.

849
00:37:55,320 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 1: It was another way around. Yeah.

850
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:01,160
Speaker 3: Well, the year so that because Steve come from Melbourne

851
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:03,040
Speaker 3: and he was trying to implement the Melbourne way, he's

852
00:38:03,080 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 3: a lot more detailed. The first year was a little

853
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 3: bit loose, not loose as in probably wasn't as strict

854
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:13,360
Speaker 3: and we enjoyed a beer. Like my first year felt like,

855
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 3: you know, we had some good times and you know,

856
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm a rookie and going out and enjoying all that

857
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: sort of stuff. Then Steve Kerney arrived and he had

858
00:38:21,400 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 3: a strict no drinking policy after the game. So no

859
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 3: matter wherever we went, if we traveled, we never went

860
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: out and you weren't allowed to have terms. You recover

861
00:38:31,760 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: in the morning, you do recovery, so completely different regime.

862
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,120
Speaker 1: So with that, so not even with that meaning you

863
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 1: go the whole year basically without drinking.

864
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 3: The whole the whole You could have a drink on

865
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 3: the following day if the schedule allowed it. But he

866
00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: was pretty like Steve was pretty full.

867
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 2: I think that can be counteractive.

868
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because it's like and letting people know that

869
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 1: rarely do you get seven day eight day turnarounds. When

870
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 1: you do get him, you're like, far, this is awesome.

871
00:38:56,840 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: We can have a beer, which is like if you

872
00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: play Saturday the following Saturday, so to push it back

873
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,719
Speaker 1: another day, you're not allowed to drink after the game.

874
00:39:03,080 --> 00:39:04,719
Speaker 1: There'd probably only be three times a year.

875
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: Like, we're young too, so we had some rap bags

876
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 3: in the team, well, sneaking away, having.

877
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: A skin feel free to throw on the bus, but.

878
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 3: We weren't ready. Matur Wren was leading the way. You

879
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:19,080
Speaker 3: can't get in trouble now, so there was a laugh

880
00:39:19,120 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: at it now. Yeah, yeah, there was. There was a

881
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: bit of a game where you know, I would break

882
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:26,000
Speaker 3: away and you know then you know, try to test

883
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,040
Speaker 3: the rules as much as and and look, you think

884
00:39:28,080 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 3: you getting away with it too at the time because

885
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 3: you're young, and they know, like they're finding out when

886
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 3: we're sneaking off to the cross or something after a

887
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 3: game when we're not supposed to, and there's a certain

888
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: amount of rules. But yeah, that was the rule though,

889
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 3: and and and yeah, those a couple of rough years.

890
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 3: We weren't winning games as well, so as you know,

891
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 3: as you know, sometimes you know, after after a loss,

892
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 3: sometimes you just want to have a schooner and just

893
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 3: get some stuff off your chest and with others.

894
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: Sometimes the answer is that the bottom of the of

895
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 1: like a bottle.

896
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:07,720
Speaker 2: Literally Saturday Night Live, a couple of beers.

897
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:12,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, Shane Gillis, Shane Gillis the other one a little bump.

898
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 1: Not that we can done that sort of thing, absolutely not, no, no,

899
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 1: But I remember when we were at Melbourne, same thing,

900
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,040
Speaker 1: a few rat like we had a little bit of

901
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: a rat pack and we go out like, no, you're

902
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,839
Speaker 1: not supposed to go out seven day turnaround sometimes, you know,

903
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: let's go out six day turnarounds. We're supposed to review

904
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: the next day. And we go out. Now stupid to us,

905
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 1: we go to the one place that we're really hooked

906
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,320
Speaker 1: up at and that was the Albion in South Melbourne

907
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,520
Speaker 1: because Robbie Kerns was part owner of it. So the

908
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 1: Kurrn Dog, we ring the kern Dog. He's at home

909
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: having dinner with his family mate. You get us in yeah,

910
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: by the Oath boys, like like we thought we were

911
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:50,640
Speaker 1: going to get away with it when we're going to

912
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 1: an old Player's Club who was still employed by the club,

913
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 1: and we'd roll in the next day, all we winking

914
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:58,359
Speaker 1: at each other, like telling stories to the locker room.

915
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 1: We'd go up to the video session and then then

916
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:05,800
Speaker 1: be like, hey, yeah, can I can Coops Munster, Harry Brandon,

917
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: Can you guys just stay back as well? And we're going, Oh, ship,

918
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 1: you think.

919
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 3: You're getting away with it when you're winning too, right,

920
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 3: if you're winning, you think you can sneak in there

921
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: and then and then you're just like, there's no way

922
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 3: we're getting away with it. But you're young, naive, You're naive, Yeah,

923
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 3: you don't. You're good too much, good fun.

924
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: So what were the circumstances and going to mamily then?

925
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 1: Were you let go buy eels or do you do?

926
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: You just go for it.

927
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 3: I've got the punt. I got the punt from Sticky,

928
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: So join the club, Ricky. Yeah, this is this is

929
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:37,000
Speaker 3: one of my like one of my most famous stories

930
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,880
Speaker 3: that I've told on podcasts now over the years. But

931
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: we'll pretend like, yeah, first this is the first time

932
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 3: for you guys, so and your audience potentially, but do

933
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:48,720
Speaker 3: you remember the story about Ricky Stewart having the board

934
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 3: up the head projector the projector and it was like

935
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 3: nine names on it, and he's like, you guys, you

936
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:58,279
Speaker 3: know you're not required at the club. Did it all

937
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: together in front of the players as well, that where

938
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 3: that was still going to stay at the club, and yeah,

939
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,400
Speaker 3: so if you can find another spot, yep, so go

940
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:09,240
Speaker 3: chat to your managers. You're not going to be required

941
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 3: next year probably, I think it was even you can

942
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: go as as quickly as you want anyway, So that

943
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 3: was a whole big deal. I was. I was pre board,

944
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 3: so I was. He punted me before he'd even rocked up,

945
00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 3: so before he'd got to the club, he had to

946
00:42:24,719 --> 00:42:27,760
Speaker 3: get there and see you know, nine or ten players

947
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 3: and figure out all right, I don't want anything to

948
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: do that.

949
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:30,880
Speaker 2: So you were p o G.

950
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 3: You were pre overhead, pre overhead, pre overhead. So he

951
00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 3: just called my manager before it even arrived at the club,

952
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 3: hadn't had a conversation with us, and then goes, look,

953
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,279
Speaker 3: he's not he's just going to be playing yourself wells

954
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: Cup next year. If you want to find a gig

955
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,600
Speaker 3: and all that, then you can you can do that.

956
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 3: So it was a blessing in disguise It worked out

957
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 3: really well for me because I went to Manly. But

958
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,840
Speaker 3: there was a period of about two months where because

959
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 3: he was so and I respected that about him now

960
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:00,400
Speaker 3: like whether he meant that for me to to go

961
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 3: on to greener pastures or whatever it was. But because

962
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 3: I got clarity so early on, I could make the

963
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:09,319
Speaker 3: decision go to Manly. It worked out really well for

964
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 3: me in hindsight, went to the Grand Final the next

965
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 3: year after I wouldn't spoon year the year before, so

966
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 3: it gave me the time to sort of plan and

967
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 3: figure it out. But the two months from about maybe

968
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 3: July into October, I didn't have a club, so I

969
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 3: was like every under started back preseason and I wasn't

970
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 3: back doing Like I didn't have a club and I

971
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,480
Speaker 3: was going to probably go to Super League early, so

972
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 3: got to figure it out, got to Manly and yeah

973
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 3: it worked out really well.

974
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: Yeah right, because Twos was your coach the whole What

975
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: about Twos?

976
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:43,720
Speaker 2: Like how close I was sitting there before the twenty

977
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 2: thirteen Grand Final, you placed leading in a half time. Now,

978
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 2: if you're going to win that game, which looked very likely,

979
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,799
Speaker 2: that halftime is by far the better team, Like where

980
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 2: where does twos. What's twos doing now? I mean that

981
00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: second half. It just shows you how quickly things change.

982
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:01,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, even like Brad Arthur right from a couple of

983
00:44:01,520 --> 00:44:04,880
Speaker 3: years ago. You know, he gets like different circumstances, he

984
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 3: gets dusted, but then he's gone within a year or two.

985
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 2: I want to ask you about that scope playing for Paramatter,

986
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 2: do you feel the pressure?

987
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 3: Probably not to my level, because but I understand I know,

988
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 3: like the top tier guys did I know, like Jared Felder,

989
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 3: obviously he stands out. He was not only an important

990
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:27,279
Speaker 3: player for Paramatter but league wide, especially when I made

991
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 3: that decision to go to the NFL. Now, just because

992
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 3: I guess my level will play like where I stood

993
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 3: in the locker room, I always just knew that like

994
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 3: I was, the pressure for me was fighting to make

995
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 3: the seventeen each week, So I always had that pressure

996
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,880
Speaker 3: every week. I didn't really feel any external pressure around

997
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 3: club pressure or anything like that, even though I understood

998
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: the history because my dad was a Paramatter, he will

999
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 3: play it too, So I understood the history, but not

1000
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: the pressure to just sort of live up to any

1001
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:58,160
Speaker 3: expectations or the long drought of what parody Matter had

1002
00:44:58,200 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 3: gone through.

1003
00:44:58,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 2: It's the most boom it will bust club in the league.

1004
00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 2: If you go back certain years, like two thousand and

1005
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 2: one they made the Grand Final, they dropped off from

1006
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: there the golfs one like two thousand and two thousand

1007
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 2: and nine and twenty ten, dramatic drop off and we've

1008
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,439
Speaker 2: we're like twenty twenty two they made the Grand Final

1009
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:19,280
Speaker 2: against Penrith and the next two years after that really

1010
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 2: again dramatic drop off.

1011
00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:23,440
Speaker 3: They miss it the eight and then battling for the

1012
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 3: spoon in twenty four. Man, it's crazy how it just

1013
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 3: that happens like that. Yeah, it really is.

1014
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,440
Speaker 2: How some sides just maintain and others just golf a cliff.

1015
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: That's the end of part one, right that, time to

1016
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: jump over for part two, which I hope you enjoy

1017
00:45:37,280 --> 00:45:38,919
Speaker 2: every bit as much I know you will.