WEBVTT - #2023 "I've Done My Research" - Dr. Bill Sullivan 0:00:00.320 --> 0:00:02.679 I get a team. It's a new project. Doctor Bills back. 0:00:04.040 --> 0:00:05.960 I was going to say my absolute favorite, but that's 0:00:06.000 --> 0:00:08.680 probably not fair, but definitely in my top five favorites. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.959 And we have a lot of people here and appreciate you, sir. 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:15.239 It's great to have you back. I love chatting with you. 0:00:15.320 --> 0:00:17.120 I was just pumping up your tires. Have you heard 0:00:17.160 --> 0:00:19.239 that expression pumping up your tires? 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:22.040 No, but I can gather what it means. 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:25.240 Yeah, that's an Australian expression for kind of you know, 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:26.960 telling you you're amazing. 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:27.920 Yeah. 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:30.400 Yeah, So if you're pumping up someone's tires, you're making 0:00:30.400 --> 0:00:33.120 them feel good. But it's you know, in this case, 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:34.880 it's genuine how have you been? 0:00:35.880 --> 0:00:36.520 I've been great? 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:38.560 And let me just say it's it's always a pleasure 0:00:38.640 --> 0:00:41.879 to come back to your podcast. It's you know, I 0:00:41.960 --> 0:00:43.199 really enjoy speaking with you. 0:00:44.479 --> 0:00:44.680 Is it? 0:00:45.560 --> 0:00:48.720 What are you not necessarily about this one? But in general, 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.919 like doing this is probably the easiest, and by easiest, 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:57.280 I just mean the less, the least pressure, the most comfortable. 0:00:57.800 --> 0:01:00.680 This is almost the easiest way to do right. 0:01:02.200 --> 0:01:05.720 Probably most of the other interviews are more formal, and 0:01:05.760 --> 0:01:11.240 they play into my credentials in biomedicine, and the advice 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:15.280 that I might be giving is, you know, more like 0:01:15.360 --> 0:01:16.920 standard of care type of thing. 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:19.039 So it is a pleasure to. 0:01:19.000 --> 0:01:21.119 Come on here in a little more of an informal 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:25.759 atmosphere and you know, just shoot the breeze about various topics. 0:01:27.720 --> 0:01:30.319 I used to work in television for a little bit, 0:01:30.360 --> 0:01:32.080 and by a little bit I mean a few years, 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:36.280 but like a weekly thing, and my weekly thing was 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:41.039 anywhere between five and seven minutes. So I'd literally leave home, 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:44.240 drive into the city. You know, you've done it before, 0:01:44.280 --> 0:01:46.240 you've done television, and you go in and you get 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.760 you sit in makeup, and they put stuff on you, 0:01:48.800 --> 0:01:51.600 and you get prepped and they wire you up and 0:01:51.640 --> 0:01:56.920 then and it's just this, it's a really impractical, impossible 0:01:57.000 --> 0:02:00.720 way to deliver quality information and build any kind of 0:02:00.760 --> 0:02:04.520 connection and rapport because you walk onto the TV set 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.360 between ads, you sit down, they count you down, and 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:11.040 then they kind of intro the show, and then they 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.960 intro you, and then they talk to you for three 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.240 or four minutes, and half the talking is them, and 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:20.320 then it's like that's quite carperence, you know, and it's like, oh, 0:02:20.360 --> 0:02:23.920 there are so many things that we can't say, you know, 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:30.480 we really it's a really difficult way to share genuine 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:34.920 insight and helpful information because the practical reality of the 0:02:35.000 --> 0:02:37.520 situation is you've got almost no time to talk. 0:02:38.560 --> 0:02:39.080 That's true. 0:02:39.320 --> 0:02:42.600 You got time enough for maybe three or four bullet points, 0:02:42.760 --> 0:02:46.840 and you don't have time to discuss caveats or pitfalls 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:49.400 with any of those. So your message really has to 0:02:49.440 --> 0:02:53.560 be filtered to a degree where sometimes it's almost meaningless. 0:02:54.560 --> 0:02:56.960 So it can be frustrating at times. 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:02.440 Yeah, exactly, especially when especially the interviewer or interviewers have 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:05.800 they've got a little b in their bonnet about a 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:09.520 particular angle, or they want to know, they want to 0:03:09.560 --> 0:03:13.800 dive in on something, and they have an opinion and 0:03:13.840 --> 0:03:16.360 they almost want your endorsement when you're like, well. 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.760 It isn't exactly that. And then but don't you think though, 0:03:20.960 --> 0:03:23.880 you know, it's like you know, now, we're about opinion, 0:03:23.880 --> 0:03:27.360 we're not about science or information. But yeah, that's what 0:03:27.440 --> 0:03:29.720 I love about this. I mean for me being able 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:31.520 to talk. You know, you and I can talk for 0:03:31.560 --> 0:03:33.840 twenty minutes, we can talk for an hour, We can 0:03:33.880 --> 0:03:36.320 go wherever we want to go. We don't need to 0:03:36.320 --> 0:03:38.160 throw to an ad we don't need to keep the 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:42.080 sponsors happy. We have sponsors, but you know, there's no interruption, 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:45.760 you know. So for me, the free range kind of 0:03:46.440 --> 0:03:49.800 capacity to be able to just conversationally go wherever we 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:56.120 want is quite liberating in especially in a time twenty 0:03:56.160 --> 0:04:00.800 twenty five where everything is five second posts in ten 0:04:00.880 --> 0:04:04.120 second reels and sound bites and grabs. You know. 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:06.800 Now, it's really refreshing to be able to go deeper 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.440 on some of these issues and you get at the 0:04:09.520 --> 0:04:12.600 nuance of some of these topics. And the other bonus 0:04:12.640 --> 0:04:14.960 is that when you post these on your Facebook, Craig, 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:19.440 your listeners are fantastic. They ask some intelligent questions or 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.920 ask for resources, and it's great to be able to 0:04:21.960 --> 0:04:23.479 have that venue to follow up on. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.760 Yeah, exactly. And if you are a listener and you don't, 0:04:28.560 --> 0:04:30.440 you're not part of the Facebook group. So it's just 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:35.799 the You Project podcast Facebook group. And yeah, we post 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.640 every episode that goes up, We talk about it and 0:04:39.880 --> 0:04:41.640 feel free to jump in there. And if you've got 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:44.880 a question or you've got any thoughts on potential guests, 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.080 hit us up and we'll see how we go. But 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.160 we love having that community, and I love creating something 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:54.040 that's you know, thankfully for the most part, very positive. 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:57.000 We have very very little negativity in that space, which 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:01.400 is just a little bit of a light in the 0:05:01.400 --> 0:05:04.640 the social media darkness sometimes. So I'm very grateful to 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:06.920 that for all of that from all of our listeners. 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:11.400 Speaking of such things, I was looking at something on 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:17.240 something came across my social media landscape, and that was 0:05:17.279 --> 0:05:22.159 some guy being hysterical about the fact that this new 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:24.680 study is out and we're not going to dive into 0:05:24.680 --> 0:05:26.520 the study. I just want to talk about this thing. 0:05:26.560 --> 0:05:32.080 This where you know, there's there's apparently that the COVID 0:05:32.160 --> 0:05:34.920 vaccine is causing all this cancer and blah blah blah, 0:05:35.000 --> 0:05:38.159 and it's it's a new research study. It's out from 0:05:38.200 --> 0:05:41.680 South Korea. And I thought, well, one, either that's crap, 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.000 or two they're you know, they're misinterpreting something or or 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.040 it doesn't exist right. And quite often these things when 0:05:49.080 --> 0:05:51.240 you go to try to find that research, the research 0:05:51.279 --> 0:05:54.440 doesn't exist. Anyway, the paper does exist, and I had 0:05:54.440 --> 0:05:57.360 a look at it, and yes, the video clip was 0:05:57.480 --> 0:06:02.600 quite misrepresentative to say the least, But does that frustrate 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:07.120 you being a researcher and being someone who's only interested 0:06:07.160 --> 0:06:10.440 in truth and facts and science where you see things 0:06:10.520 --> 0:06:14.200 or things get brought to your attention which are super 0:06:14.279 --> 0:06:18.080 duper misleading and very very incomplete. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.760 Yeah, well it concerns me on a number of levels 0:06:22.880 --> 0:06:27.480 because when and just full disclaimer, I have not read 0:06:27.520 --> 0:06:30.560 that study. In fact, Craig was one of the first 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.920 to bring it to my attention today. It's brand new, 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.920 so I don't have you know, I can't speak one 0:06:36.920 --> 0:06:38.800 way or the other on it. All I can tell 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:40.480 you is there's a lot of other studies that have 0:06:40.560 --> 0:06:44.080 been done that's say, the exact opposite, absolutely no link 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:47.599 between COVID nineteen and increased cancer. So it's probably a 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:52.400 red herring. But the upshot of the question boils down 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.440 to this sensationalism or you know, a study that comes 0:06:57.480 --> 0:07:02.600 out that may bolster someone's by or preconceived notions gets 0:07:02.600 --> 0:07:06.080 a lot more press than the many other studies that 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:09.600 are that show the opposite result. And this is known 0:07:09.640 --> 0:07:13.600 as confirmation bias. And when you're cherry picking data and 0:07:13.720 --> 0:07:16.400 just representing one side of the story that happens to 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:19.720 align with whatever your personal beliefs might be, that does 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:24.040 a disservice to the entire biomedical community. It does a 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:28.760 disservice to your listeners. I think it's irresponsible to not, 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:33.960 you know, weigh both sides of the equation with you know, 0:07:34.040 --> 0:07:39.640 an equal you know, an equal amount that correlates with 0:07:39.720 --> 0:07:42.080 the amount of evidence that's out there. You know, if 0:07:42.080 --> 0:07:44.840 you're going to say this one study shows this, I 0:07:44.840 --> 0:07:48.480 think it's responsible to say there are many other studies, however, 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:49.240 that do. 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:50.239 Not show this effect. 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:54.640 I think that is just giving the audience fair and 0:07:54.720 --> 0:07:55.680 balanced information. 0:07:56.760 --> 0:07:59.520 Yeah, totally great. And even the ULSA is in that pipe, 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:02.520 which that the highlight real thing that I saw on 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:07.320 social media didn't mention this. Authors basically say this doesn't 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:12.040 in any way reflect causation and it may not. Like 0:08:12.080 --> 0:08:14.320 there's lots of more research that needs to be done, 0:08:14.480 --> 0:08:19.600 so they actually weren't claiming anything but that paper if 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:24.440 people want to look at it, it is one year. 0:08:24.560 --> 0:08:28.840 Risks of Cancer associated with COVID nineteen vaccination was published 0:08:29.280 --> 0:08:33.400 September twenty six. But if you want to save yourself 0:08:33.440 --> 0:08:37.880 some time, I had a scan this morning and it's 0:08:38.120 --> 0:08:43.120 relatively inert. It doesn't really say a whole lot more 0:08:43.200 --> 0:08:46.360 than what we've just spoken about. Speaking about things that 0:08:46.440 --> 0:08:50.520 might affect our body. There has been will definitely affect 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:56.800 our body. There was a bit of controversy about what's 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.600 called thailand ol in the States, and we call it paracetamol, 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:05.400 and an alleged link between that and autism. And I 0:09:05.480 --> 0:09:07.200 might get some of this wrong. I'm not all over it, 0:09:07.240 --> 0:09:11.200 but I'm pretty sure RFK, who for some reason is 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.640 like the health minister or something. What is his job? 0:09:15.280 --> 0:09:17.040 How the fun did you get that job? 0:09:17.800 --> 0:09:21.800 That's a really great question. Well, he got that job 0:09:21.840 --> 0:09:26.880 because he's a Trump loyalist. Basically, he is woefully unqualified 0:09:27.240 --> 0:09:31.280 to be the Secretary of HHS, which is the American 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:35.600 Health and Human Services. This is a guy who literally said, 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:39.600 no one should be taking medical advice from me. But 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.320 that's his freaking job. It's to give medical advice. So 0:09:43.800 --> 0:09:47.040 your question is really on point. How in the world 0:09:47.240 --> 0:09:51.319 did we come to this point. It's an excellent question, 0:09:51.360 --> 0:09:53.920 and it boils down to politics. Unfortunately, it does not 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.040 boil down to what's in the public's best interest. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:10:01.640 Hmmm. Yeah, it's like, yeah, like me being a direct 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:04.720 point of the creative director of the bolsho or ballet 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:06.719 or something. I don't know. It's like, no, Craig, you're 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.080 not a good bit for that. You have no talent, 0:10:09.120 --> 0:10:14.960 you're not creative, you can't dance. So the allegation or 0:10:15.000 --> 0:10:20.560 the message was that it causes potentially there's a lot 0:10:20.679 --> 0:10:24.440 doesn't cause, but there's a potential link to increased rates 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.720 of autism with women, pregnant women, was it? I think, yeah, 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:34.040 pregnant women using tailanol. Where did that claim come from? 0:10:34.200 --> 0:10:37.440 And what's the actual skinny on it? What's the truth? 0:10:39.400 --> 0:10:39.679 Yeah? 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:42.920 So this this was a disastrous press conference on a 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:47.719 number of different levels. First of all, they completely mischaracterized 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:51.760 what autism really is as a you know, as a condition, 0:10:52.440 --> 0:10:57.960 and very insensitively painted everyone on the spectrum with a 0:10:58.080 --> 0:11:02.120 very wide, you know, a very broad brush, and it 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.800 really misrepresented and offended a lot of people with who 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:09.800 are on the ASD spectrum. It's autism spectrum disorder. But 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:13.280 getting to the point about the drug, a set of 0:11:13.360 --> 0:11:17.360 menafin or what we call tailanol in the States, paracetamol, 0:11:17.360 --> 0:11:20.160 I guess is what you guys referred to it as 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:27.079 all the same drug, same molecule, And this press conference 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:32.079 pointed to a series of very dubious studies that were 0:11:32.120 --> 0:11:36.400 summarized in a review article suggesting that there may be 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:43.160 a link between people who are pregnant taking tylenol and 0:11:43.200 --> 0:11:47.880 then having children who have an increase increased risk for 0:11:48.000 --> 0:11:54.559 developing autism. So there was no nuance provided here and 0:11:54.600 --> 0:11:58.640 no mention of studies that proved otherwise. So it was 0:11:58.679 --> 0:12:04.560 a really irrespondsible announcement. Just unbelievable that this came from 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:09.040 an HHS secretary in the States, because that position commands 0:12:09.120 --> 0:12:13.840 a great deal of attention worldwide. You know, many people 0:12:13.840 --> 0:12:17.319 outside of the US pay attention to what our Human 0:12:17.400 --> 0:12:22.520 and Health Services Office states. So this has the potential 0:12:22.559 --> 0:12:30.960 to be, you know, quite devastating for families because what 0:12:31.040 --> 0:12:35.000 it might end up doing is steering pregnant people away 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:40.400 from taking a medication that could be very important with 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:46.680 respect to curing pain and fever during a pregnancy. Pain 0:12:46.720 --> 0:12:52.560 and fever are known to produce miscarriage, stillbirths, birth defects, 0:12:52.920 --> 0:12:58.280 and wait for it, autism. So by discouraging people from 0:12:58.320 --> 0:13:03.600 taking this medication, you actually may be increasing the risk 0:13:03.640 --> 0:13:07.200 of autism. So it boils down to your question, where 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:09.240 did this come from? Well, it came from this one 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:13.880 dubious review article that cherry picks studies that showed a 0:13:14.280 --> 0:13:19.040 very tiny risk which was not emphasized in this press conference. 0:13:19.080 --> 0:13:24.360 The risk is extremely small of autism being developed, and 0:13:24.400 --> 0:13:28.120 they failed to mention two studies that were much larger, 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.160 much better controlled, and did what we call a sibling 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:37.439 pair analysis, which controlled for a confounding variable of genetics, 0:13:38.160 --> 0:13:40.560 because that is the main driver of autism. If you 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:44.320 talk to anyone with a medical or scientific background, it 0:13:44.400 --> 0:13:49.720 boils down to genetics. But this paper, what this press 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:53.000 conference was trying to say, Actually, I think I have 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.160 a quote here from Trump, who had to chime in, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.320 of course. He said tail and all is quote not good, 0:14:00.720 --> 0:14:03.640 quite like hell, not to take it, and even admonished 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:08.840 women to just tough it out. You know, just you 0:14:08.880 --> 0:14:11.120 have a fever of one hundred and five, just tough 0:14:11.120 --> 0:14:13.160 it out. You're going to tell the fetus to tough 0:14:13.200 --> 0:14:17.640 it out too, you know. It was extraordinarily insensitive and 0:14:17.679 --> 0:14:27.320 irresponsible from from a biomedical scientist's position. And we can 0:14:27.360 --> 0:14:30.120 we can go over some of the data which I 0:14:30.160 --> 0:14:32.960 think might help your listeners understand a little bit better 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:33.960 where I'm coming from. 0:14:34.000 --> 0:14:36.080 But does everything make sense so far? Great? 0:14:36.880 --> 0:14:43.440 Plain? Yeah, Yeah, I just I know Trump has no filter, 0:14:43.680 --> 0:14:46.760 but it just to me, I'm like, even he must 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.600 realize sometimes surely, surely you're not the guy to comment 0:14:51.720 --> 0:14:54.840 and even if you think something, you don't know it 0:14:55.640 --> 0:14:58.440 and I don't anyway. Yep, all right, give us give 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:00.520 us some of the stuff. Anton. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:04.160 I actually that that reminds me of something, Craig. I 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:08.240 would love to hear your interpretation, you know, as being 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:12.200 a representative of all of Australia, which I'm sure you are. Yeah, 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:17.400 what you what your country thinks of what has happened 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:21.200 with respect to you know, this press conference and so on, 0:15:21.240 --> 0:15:25.560 How how your government agencies responded. I'm sure they refuted 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:30.400 the claims and encouraged your medical professions to continue giving 0:15:31.080 --> 0:15:35.760 paracetamol during pregnancy for pain and fever, as did like 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:43.840 every other worldwide uh medical organization. So we can circle 0:15:43.880 --> 0:15:45.920 back to that at the end, because I'd love to hear, 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:51.240 you know, an outsider's perspective on how you're perceiving the US. 0:15:51.280 --> 0:15:54.520 Now, yeah, let's let's get to that light. But definitely, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:57.800 I mean they're just my thoughts, but yeah, so give us, 0:15:57.920 --> 0:16:00.320 give us the deeper kind of understanding of what we're 0:16:00.360 --> 0:16:05.200 not understanding with this tile now autism kind of issue. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:08.560 Yeah, absolutely, so, first, a little bit of common sense, 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:13.000 you know, that can dispel it pretty quickly. Two thirds 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.400 of pregnant women in the US take Thailand all for 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:19.040 pain and fever, and the standard of care is to 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:23.840 give as little as possible for as short as possible. Okay, 0:16:24.080 --> 0:16:26.800 that's that's just the standard of care. That's not a 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.880 great revelation that RFK made. So when you consider the 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:33.360 sheer number of pregnant women in the US taking Thailand 0:16:33.400 --> 0:16:36.320 all already, and the fact that two thirds of our 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:40.200 kids do not have ASD you know, it's actually less 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:43.280 than one it's actually less than three percent, and only 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.000 one fourth of that three percent have the severe and 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:52.240 profound autism that RFK misled people to believe that's what 0:16:52.320 --> 0:16:58.680 everybody with autism is like, gross misrepresentation. You can see 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:01.040 right off the bat that these number don't make any sense. 0:17:01.080 --> 0:17:04.800 They don't align, you know, in any meaningful way. Many 0:17:04.840 --> 0:17:11.359 people use thailanol without incident. Autism cases have been documented 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:14.520 prior to the introduction of tailanol. It wasn't mass marketed 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:16.919 until the late fifties, but there's plenty of cases in 0:17:16.960 --> 0:17:21.639 the literature for autism, spectrum disorder, and even profound autism. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:25.400 So that doesn't make any sense. The studies that they 0:17:25.400 --> 0:17:29.399 were citing were correlational, just like the South Korean study 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:34.840 that you mentioned claiming a correlation between the COVID vaccine 0:17:34.840 --> 0:17:42.359 and certain cancers. It's not causation. There's a wonderful meme 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:47.840 that circulates that illustrates the dangers of drawing conclusions from 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:49.200 correlative studies. 0:17:49.920 --> 0:17:50.680 You can make a. 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:58.159 Graph of rising autism diagnoses and the amount the popularity 0:17:58.560 --> 0:18:03.400 of organic foods in marketplace and low and hold they correlate. Okay, 0:18:03.640 --> 0:18:06.480 both of those graphs go up in the same direction. 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.480 So what RFK might have you believe if he was 0:18:10.520 --> 0:18:13.600 reading this graph based on his interpretation of this data, 0:18:13.800 --> 0:18:20.000 is that, oh, organic foods cause autism. So correlation doesn't 0:18:20.040 --> 0:18:25.119 mean anything unless you have a biological mechanism, So we 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:29.560 have to keep that limitation in mind. The association, as 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:33.719 I mentioned before, is also very small. It's one point 0:18:33.760 --> 0:18:38.800 one times more. That translates to less than ten percent 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:43.919 greater risk. To put that in perspective, let's consider the 0:18:44.080 --> 0:18:48.800 increased risk that smoking does for lung cancer. That's a 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:53.000 ten to twenty times greater risk, which translates to almost 0:18:53.040 --> 0:18:59.000 a thousand percent greater risk. So these studies that they 0:18:59.000 --> 0:19:05.760 were citing were marginal at best. Okay, no dose dependent 0:19:05.840 --> 0:19:09.320 effect was ever recorded, which means, like you would expect 0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:14.679 that the more tail and all taken during pregnancy, the 0:19:14.800 --> 0:19:18.120 higher the risk or more severe autism should show up. 0:19:18.520 --> 0:19:21.440 That's not the case. There's that that doesn't hold up, 0:19:22.160 --> 0:19:24.639 and there's no mechanism that's been proposed. If you're going 0:19:24.720 --> 0:19:27.280 to tell me Thailand all causes autism, I want you 0:19:27.320 --> 0:19:29.840 to tell me at a molecular level how that's happening. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.240 And nothing like that exists. Same with the COVID nineteen 0:19:34.320 --> 0:19:39.000 vaccine and this cancer link. Okay, fine, tell me how 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.600 in the world that can possibly happen. I haven't heard 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.800 any plausible model. So those are the things that I 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:50.879 need in place before my government makes some kind of 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:56.320 you know, sledge hammer demand that we should stop using 0:19:56.600 --> 0:19:59.919 a seat of menafin during during pregnancy. 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:03.600 I've got yeah, go ahead, ask a question. 0:20:03.600 --> 0:20:06.040 I'm just sorry, I'm just I'm being completely silly here, 0:20:06.080 --> 0:20:10.400 but I'm thinking about correlation versus causation, right, I'm thinking, well, 0:20:10.480 --> 0:20:12.639 I'm going to do a graph. In fact, I probably 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:15.080 might do this on social media because I'm a fucking idiot. 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:18.480 But like in the last ten years, we've seen both 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.160 electric cars, the use of electric cars go through the roof, 0:20:22.280 --> 0:20:23.160 and diabetes. 0:20:23.760 --> 0:20:28.680 Now I'm not obviously Craig, you know those electric cars 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:30.160 are causing diabetes. 0:20:30.240 --> 0:20:33.800 Well, I mean that can't just be a coincidence, Professor 0:20:33.840 --> 0:20:36.280 Bill Happy, I mean. 0:20:37.200 --> 0:20:38.800 Go publish it, Go publish it. 0:20:38.920 --> 0:20:42.240 I think I think I've just solved the type two 0:20:42.280 --> 0:20:46.560 diabetes crisis. We just got to, I think, go back 0:20:46.600 --> 0:20:52.639 to internal combustion engines, get rid of electric cars. Problem solved. 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:57.399 You welcome world. That sounds ridiculous, but it's not that 0:20:57.600 --> 0:20:58.600 far away, is it. 0:20:59.359 --> 0:21:02.119 No principle, that's exactly what's happening here. 0:21:02.640 --> 0:21:07.280 Because what you need to think about in these studies 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:14.720 tailan al. They're claiming there's an association with autism. There's 0:21:14.720 --> 0:21:17.680 no plausible mechanism for how that can happen, at least 0:21:17.720 --> 0:21:21.000 nothing that I've read. So what that might be indicating 0:21:21.040 --> 0:21:25.360 to us is that it's an indirect effect. What are 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:30.560 these pregnant people taking the tilenol for. Is it an infection? 0:21:31.760 --> 0:21:35.320 Is it some kind of pain disorder. Maybe that's what's 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.040 causing the autism. You know, that's a study that's worth 0:21:39.200 --> 0:21:42.160 following up on. But you don't come out and say, 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.840 Thailand All's causing it, because that could be a total 0:21:44.880 --> 0:21:48.480 red herring, meaning it could be totally an indirect effect, 0:21:48.720 --> 0:21:51.200 and you're going to miss out on what the direct 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:55.680 effect is. Okay, you can, you can take away tailand 0:21:55.680 --> 0:21:59.120 all from pregnant women, but still not fix this problem 0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:03.640 because that wasn't the issue to begin with. So that's 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:08.359 that's why these these types of reckless announcements are just 0:22:08.440 --> 0:22:13.159 so dangerous and not serving the public well. And the 0:22:13.920 --> 0:22:19.240 biggest sin that they committed at this press conference was 0:22:19.280 --> 0:22:22.840 that bigger and better studies have been done and there's 0:22:23.000 --> 0:22:26.480 no link whatsoever between the use of a set of 0:22:26.560 --> 0:22:30.199 menace and during pregnancy and the risk of autism. And 0:22:30.240 --> 0:22:34.560 what those studies have found point to the confounding variable 0:22:34.680 --> 0:22:37.680 of genetics, and the way they do that is they 0:22:37.720 --> 0:22:41.080 compare siblings, which is something these other studies never did. 0:22:42.200 --> 0:22:46.000 And when you compare siblings, which rules out the genetic 0:22:46.080 --> 0:22:50.280 factor or you know, allows it to be considered, there's 0:22:50.320 --> 0:22:54.800 no link whatsoever that the set of metaphemetic medication was 0:22:54.920 --> 0:22:58.199 not a player here. So what are these two studies? Well, 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:01.240 there was one in Sweden conduct in twenty twenty four. 0:23:01.720 --> 0:23:04.840 It's the largest study on this topic ever conducted to date. 0:23:05.240 --> 0:23:09.680 It involved two point five million children monitored over twenty 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:12.880 six years. You couldn't ask for a better and more 0:23:12.880 --> 0:23:16.400 comprehensive study, and they found no link when they did 0:23:16.440 --> 0:23:20.720 disibling pair analysis. And if one study is not good 0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:23.520 enough for you, well in Japan there was another study 0:23:23.560 --> 0:23:27.840 done just this year two hundred thousand children. It's not 0:23:27.920 --> 0:23:30.480 in the millions, but two hundred thousands in appreciable study. 0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:34.800 I would call that a good size. Again, found absolutely 0:23:34.840 --> 0:23:38.720 no link when the sibling pair when genetics was considered. 0:23:40.400 --> 0:23:43.399 All the scientific and medical societies that I'm aware of, 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:49.120 including the American Academy for Pediatrics, American College of Obgyn, 0:23:49.760 --> 0:23:52.320 and the World Health Organization, all of them denounced this 0:23:52.400 --> 0:23:57.720 press conference and reiterated that tailanol is absolutely safe to 0:23:57.720 --> 0:24:01.320 give for pain and fever during pregnancy, and in fact 0:24:01.359 --> 0:24:04.159 it should be given because that can cause complications if 0:24:04.160 --> 0:24:07.000 you don't treat it, and there's no other medicine that's safer, 0:24:07.960 --> 0:24:10.280 and there's no compelling evidence of the link, you know, 0:24:10.359 --> 0:24:13.159 based on these two very large recent studies that have 0:24:13.200 --> 0:24:20.160 been conducted. The AAP, the American Academy of Pediatrics characterized 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:23.760 this press conference as quote filled with dangerous claims and 0:24:23.800 --> 0:24:28.719 misleading information. And that's just inexcusable in our government officials. 0:24:30.880 --> 0:24:37.359 You know what's interesting is that like the actual lack 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:44.879 of transparency and scientific kind of integrity, Like they're standing 0:24:44.920 --> 0:24:47.119 up there going, this is the real science. This is 0:24:47.160 --> 0:24:50.520 what they don't want you to know. And it's really 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.520 just a it's just as you were talking about before. 0:24:53.560 --> 0:24:58.440 It's really just confirmation bias playing out where we're looking 0:24:58.480 --> 0:25:01.280 at this thing which is not a very well run 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:05.080 study with this dodgy what we call an Australia dodgy 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:12.000 evidence or whatever interpretation of results versus these mega studies 0:25:12.080 --> 0:25:16.160 that we're not talking about that actually contradict what we're 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:21.600 talking about. I mean, it's the funny thing about science 0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:25.880 and scientists is that every scientist has got an opinion 0:25:26.040 --> 0:25:30.080 and emotions and an identity and a brand. And I'm 0:25:30.119 --> 0:25:33.040 not saying I'm doing a PhD. So I'm not throwing 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:36.240 me and you under the bus. But the problem is 0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:40.080 that it's so hard to find people who are truly 0:25:40.320 --> 0:25:44.360 truly I mean especially in the public space. I mean 0:25:44.440 --> 0:25:49.080