1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Before we begin. This podcast contains graphic descriptions of violence. 2 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:10,840 Speaker 1: This is a production by The Australian and our subscribers. 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 1: Here episodes first and get full access to photos, video, 4 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,840 Speaker 1: news stories and features plus all Australia's best journalism twenty 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: four to seven. Join us at Gangstersghost dot com dot au. 6 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: Well, well, well, here he is. I found him. I'm 7 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:53,480 Speaker 2: in the Tweedheads Memorial Gardens the Lawn Cemetery and I'm 8 00:00:53,560 --> 00:01:04,919 Speaker 2: standing above the gravestone for John Edward Milligan born thirteenth 9 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,919 Speaker 2: of March nineteen forty four died the third of December 10 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:17,840 Speaker 2: nineteen ninety three. Just south of the strange red towering 11 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,080 Speaker 2: lego like signpost on the M one Highway that marks 12 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 2: the southern border between Queensland and New South Wales, you 13 00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: cross a bridge above Terra Noorah Creek and just past 14 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: the creek you turn left into Kirkwood Road. Soon after, 15 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: on your right you'll see the entrance to the Tweedhead's 16 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:45,440 Speaker 2: Memorial Gardens, a beautifully appointed place for a remembrance of 17 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 2: cremated loved ones that has been in operation since nineteen 18 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:55,880 Speaker 2: seventy two. It was here I found the last resting 19 00:01:55,920 --> 00:02:06,280 Speaker 2: place of John Edward Milligans peculiar characters in this story. 20 00:02:06,960 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 2: His little slate stone is so bland compared to the 21 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 2: life of this incredible character. This individual, who was intelligent, 22 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:31,320 Speaker 2: High Camp Florid, an extraordinary, dynamic individual, came from this 23 00:02:31,400 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 2: region amazing five lives in one real estate agent, accountant, businessman, lawyer, 24 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 2: and most importantly, near the end of his life, major 25 00:02:46,440 --> 00:02:52,080 Speaker 2: major heroin importer, one of the first wholesale heroin importers 26 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 2: into Australia in the nineteen seventies. So Milligan kicked around 27 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 2: in Brisbane in the early nineteen seventies and his life 28 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 2: became entangled with Stuart John Reagan. Reagan started spending a 29 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 2: lot of time expanding his criminal empire into Queensland in 30 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 2: the early nineteen seventies, and his go to man, his 31 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:30,280 Speaker 2: Sunshine State sidekick, was Milligan. This thin, skinny, balding, blonde haired, 32 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 2: tousl head character who would dress up in capes where 33 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: he would dress up as a priest or a bishop, 34 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: and yet lived this extraordinarily lascivious life if you like 35 00:03:48,640 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 2: underground life in Brisbane came into contact with Reagan in 36 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 2: the early seventies. It's one of the more interesting odd 37 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 2: couples in this entire story, well in criminal history. Really 38 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 2: like any couple, albeit wedded by their criminality, they had 39 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,840 Speaker 2: their ups and downs, and when they fell out, Milligan 40 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: was lucky Reagan didn't put a bullet in his head. 41 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 2: But Milligan was rat cunning, smart, meticulously organized, and had 42 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 2: lots of connections in high places. They called Milligan the 43 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 2: clown prints of drugs. He was that and a lot more. 44 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 2: He was, in fact, a very dangerous player in the 45 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:46,159 Speaker 2: then infant industry of wholesale heroine importation. He was mister 46 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 2: Asia before mister Asia, and he could be ruthless. I'm 47 00:04:53,040 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: just looking down over the lawn cemetery where mister Milligan 48 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: is interred, and it just occurred to me, with a 49 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 2: bit of a grin on my face, that I don't 50 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 2: think Reagan had a clue what he was getting into 51 00:05:11,080 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 2: when he hooked. 52 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 3: Up with Milligan. 53 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 2: I don't think he had any idea of the roller 54 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: coaster ride he was about to embark on when he 55 00:05:25,040 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 2: went up to Queensland to do business on several fronts, 56 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:39,400 Speaker 2: and there was Milligan in the fray in the picture, 57 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: his sort of sunshine sidekick, totally eccentric, unpredictable, a brilliant mind, 58 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:55,600 Speaker 2: and boy was Reagan in for a shock and a 59 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 2: surprise off they went. Know this about Stuart John Reagan. 60 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: He treated his body like a temple. No fats, no sugars, 61 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:13,480 Speaker 2: no smoking, no alcohol. He stood out as a clean 62 00:06:13,560 --> 00:06:18,160 Speaker 2: skin in a generation that was turning onto marijuana and magic, 63 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:25,360 Speaker 2: mushrooms and psychedelics. He led a clean life, but behind 64 00:06:25,360 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 2: the facade he hooked up with the hedonistic John Edward 65 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:37,200 Speaker 2: Milligan for one reason and one reason only drugs. I'm 66 00:06:37,279 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 2: journalist Matthew Condon and This is the Gangster's Ghost, a 67 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:47,400 Speaker 2: podcast from The Australian. This podcast started out as a 68 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: clinical look at one of Australia's most reviled gangsters, but 69 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: when the Reagan family came on board, the project took 70 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 2: on another dimension and the question how does a family 71 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 2: cope with the generational stain of a murderer whose death 72 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 2: was celebrated by criminals and police alike. This is episode seven, 73 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:16,800 Speaker 2: Traveling North. 74 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,880 Speaker 4: Life is great in the Sunshine State. 75 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:55,080 Speaker 5: Every Queensland heart sings a song to its table. 76 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:01,920 Speaker 2: At the dawn of the nineteen seventy Reagan looked north 77 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:07,200 Speaker 2: to Queensland to grow his businesses. If he was going 78 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 2: to be the biggest gangster in Australia, then he needed 79 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:16,760 Speaker 2: to expand. Like everything he did, Reagan operated at breakneck speed. 80 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:18,880 Speaker 6: Was mannic, had. 81 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: Quickly grown over confident, and the worst thing of all, 82 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 2: he'd lost his manners as a gangster. North of the Tweed. 83 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 2: He must have thought the banana benders would be easy pickings. 84 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:39,199 Speaker 2: It's unclear if Reagan, just in his mid twenties, was 85 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 2: aware of the unique characteristics of crime and corruption Queensland style. 86 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: It was a vastly different arrangement from the system he 87 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 2: was used to in New South Wales. Up north, there 88 00:08:55,760 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 2: were no big bosses like Paddles Andersen, Lenny McPherson and 89 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 2: George Freeman running the show from the half shadows. No 90 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: infamous overlords in control of vice, protecting their patch, staying 91 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: in their lanes and sharing the spoils of their crimes 92 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 2: with corrupt police. No, in Queensland, the big dogs who 93 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:29,320 Speaker 2: masterminded the criminal network and its operations were the police themselves. 94 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:35,080 Speaker 2: They decided who could do what in the underworld. This 95 00:09:35,360 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 2: powerful cabal of corrupt coppers owned the game. Indeed, any 96 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 2: criminals who decided to venture into their territory without permission 97 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: were summarily dealt with. Crooks from top to bottom needed 98 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: sanction from the infamous rat Pack of corrupt police Tony Murphy, 99 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 2: Glen Hallahan, Terry Lewis. To be able to work in 100 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: the Sunshine State, they had to get a sort of 101 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:12,080 Speaker 2: criminal green card. Only then could they earn and in 102 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 2: turn surrender a large percentage of the spoils with the cops. 103 00:10:19,320 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 2: The rat Pack had been working the system in Queensland 104 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: since the nineteen fifties, and by the time Reagan decided 105 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 2: to put up a shingle in their backyard, they had 106 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:37,320 Speaker 2: perfected their corruption machine, known colloquially as the Joke. But 107 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:42,080 Speaker 2: would they accept a so called psychopathic Sydney gangster like 108 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 2: Reagan on their turf. 109 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 4: All the while every mile as a sun and smile 110 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 4: and a welcome and jafel. 111 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 7: All friendship sprang in the Sunshine State. 112 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 8: The Sunshine firing. 113 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 2: By Reagan had already established his deadly reputation. Cross him 114 00:11:10,040 --> 00:11:14,520 Speaker 2: and your life could be in danger. His numerous Sydney 115 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 2: businesses were pulling in good cash. He owned dozens of 116 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: properties throughout New South Wales none were ever listed in 117 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 2: his name, and was always looking to expand his portfolio. 118 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 2: Queensland seemed like a good fit and he had some 119 00:11:30,679 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 2: powerful incentives to flex his muscle in some new territory. 120 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 2: The brothel Madam Shirley Briffman was in hiding after ratting 121 00:11:39,880 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: out criminals and corrupt police in Sydney, and she needed 122 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 2: to pay for those loose lips. Reagan, ever, the parasite, 123 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:53,600 Speaker 2: must have reasoned he could leverage her for a quid. 124 00:11:56,000 --> 00:12:05,680 Speaker 2: Then there was his curious relationship with John Edward Miller. Milligan, 125 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:11,480 Speaker 2: eccentric and demonstrably gay, was a brilliant former Brisbane judges 126 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: associate who had turned his back on the law and 127 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,320 Speaker 2: decided it was more fun and profitable to break it. 128 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 5: He was well dressed, always wore business of color, usually 129 00:12:28,440 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 5: a waistcoat. He was very dabba. He was only a 130 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 5: smallish man, a small crying and he had a receding chin. 131 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 5: He was a generalist. Wonder why he saw the hair 132 00:12:44,880 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 5: receding from the front. Didn't have a lot of hair, 133 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:50,360 Speaker 5: but he had some. 134 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 2: You know. This is former Federal Bureau of Narcotics agent 135 00:12:55,920 --> 00:12:59,800 Speaker 2: Brian Bennett. I spoke to Brian years ago about his 136 00:13:00,040 --> 00:13:03,400 Speaker 2: work on the streets, just as the drug trade was 137 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 2: gathering momentum in the late nineteen sixties and early nineteen seventies. Naturally, 138 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:13,040 Speaker 2: Brian remembered Milligan. 139 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,480 Speaker 5: When I say he was Dabba. Recall one time I 140 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:22,719 Speaker 5: was up in King's Cross in McClay Street doing the 141 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,840 Speaker 5: var on another job, and on the old Milligan walks 142 00:13:26,840 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 5: down the street. He was wearing ten striped trousers spats. 143 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,680 Speaker 5: Now I've never seen bats in my life left on 144 00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 5: Philip and he was toiling a gold top cane. It's 145 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:48,480 Speaker 5: not about theatrical. I mean, as I said, he was 146 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 5: with care for his Christal. 147 00:13:57,240 --> 00:14:00,559 Speaker 2: Milligan was fascinated with the gangster life and he found 148 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 2: its supreme embodiment in Reagan. They were the unlikeliest of 149 00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:11,199 Speaker 2: criminal partners, the stocky Reagan with his dark good looks 150 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 2: alongside the effeminate Milligan with his unconventional fashion sense that 151 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: included walking canes and capes. John Schobrook, also a former 152 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 2: Federal Bureau of Narcotics agent based in Brisbane and friend 153 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: and work colleague of Brian Bennett, would ultimately arrest Milligan 154 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy nine. And conduct a famous record of 155 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:41,040 Speaker 2: interview that would lay bare the corrupt players in the 156 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 2: Queensland underworld. Shobrook would pay dearly for being an honest 157 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: law enforcement officer stuck in a swamp of corruption. And 158 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 2: even though he was only in his early twenties when 159 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:59,880 Speaker 2: he apprehended Milligan, Schobrook knew he had dynamite on his hand. 160 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 2: Milligan was way ahead of his time as a crook. 161 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 2: He developed a filing system of small index cards. On 162 00:15:10,920 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 2: the cards, he wrote information on everyone he ever met 163 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: and kept them for future reference. Information, as they say, 164 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:26,680 Speaker 2: is power. For some reason, during their interview, Milligan opened 165 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 2: up to Shobbrook, now retired and still living in Brisbane. 166 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: I asked John about the peculiar relationship between Milligan and Reagan. 167 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:44,440 Speaker 2: I'm trying to understand what a flamboyant, bisexual ex lawyer, 168 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:49,960 Speaker 2: come real estate agent, come pimp would associate with an 169 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 2: absolute a one alpha male Sydney gangster like Stuart John Reagan. 170 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 9: Well, we've got to ask yourselves what did he offer them? 171 00:16:00,600 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 9: Maybe it was his intelligence. I don't know how intelligent 172 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 9: Stuart John Reagan was, but maybe it was Milligan's intelligence. 173 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 9: Maybe on a one to one basis. When you're speaking 174 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 9: to the man, you think he's pretty astuid, you know. 175 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 9: I mean, all I have was really spoke to him 176 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 9: about was his own drug involvement and his partners in that. 177 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:32,400 Speaker 9: We never discussed the world situation or anything else for 178 00:16:32,520 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 9: me to assess to he's a student. Perhaps he impressed them, 179 00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 9: or maybe he named you know that you know of 180 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:44,760 Speaker 9: the infamous card file he had he used to keep. Yeah, 181 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 9: he had a card file anyone that he met that 182 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 9: he thought this person could be of use in some 183 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 9: capacity into the future. He'd write down everything that he 184 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:01,160 Speaker 9: could get on or quotes from anything. And with his 185 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 9: IQ and his memory, perhaps they were impressed by his 186 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,919 Speaker 9: notice he was a walking computer. If they wanted information 187 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 9: in a pre computer day, it's probably the fastest way 188 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 9: to get it was to last John Mulligan. 189 00:17:23,560 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 2: In Brisbane, the eccentric Milligan ran a cafe called Willy's Bazaarre, 190 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 2: a known drugs hotspot at the cd northern end of 191 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 2: the CBD. I spoke to Brisbane identity and journalist Destiny 192 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 2: Rodgers about what you could expect at the cafe. Its 193 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:51,280 Speaker 2: front counter commandeered by a woman called Willie Ah. 194 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 10: She was this old woman that everyone thought was a trainee, 195 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 10: but she wasn't. With masses of piled teas, blonde hair, 196 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 10: and she. 197 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 11: Ran up as like a coffee shop. But basically she 198 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:07,280 Speaker 11: let them smoke dope. 199 00:18:07,359 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 10: I've never ever heard that she sold it. 200 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: Wow, And it was just a marijuana cafe. 201 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 10: Yes, So that was the original red light area, was there. 202 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,160 Speaker 11: So that takes you even back to the National Hotel 203 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,240 Speaker 11: In earlier days. 204 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 2: From Willie's, Milligan graduated to importing buddhisticks or Buddha of 205 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:33,560 Speaker 2: Thie sticks cannabis bud skewered on a bamboo stick and 206 00:18:33,680 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 2: dipped in cannabis oil. In the early nineteen seventies, narcotics 207 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 2: agent Brian Bennett got a tip off that Milligan was 208 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: set to take possession of a large importation of buddhisticks 209 00:18:46,840 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: at Brisbane Airport. The drugs had been concealed in two 210 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 2: roles of decorative carpet from Southeast Asia. 211 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 5: On raced out there from there Wid Street the Ta 212 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 5: Bottom Store, just in time to see Milligan, who of 213 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 5: course I knew by sight. Having to carry out surveillance 214 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 5: on walking out of the store with these two rolls 215 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 5: of clib over his shoulder like one I overside God. 216 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 5: He was a cunning basket and I approached him flashmow Idea, 217 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 5: said John Milligan, I'm the senior narcotic agent. What have 218 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:32,480 Speaker 5: you got there? And he said, oh nothing, I'm just 219 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:36,120 Speaker 5: picking these up for favor for a friend. I said, 220 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 5: you're under arrest. A handcuffed him, and he complained that 221 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 5: the cuffs were too tight. And then he said, mister Bennett. 222 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 5: Now I hadn't actually given my name, and of course 223 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:53,400 Speaker 5: he knew my name. He said, mister Bennett, there's no 224 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,880 Speaker 5: need for those handcuffs. You know, I'm not a violent person. 225 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,439 Speaker 5: The bars had actually named me, showed he had all 226 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 5: as he carried out some countless of violence, played some 227 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 5: inquiries about the viewer. You know. 228 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 2: Incredible, Incredibly, the case against Milligan fell apart in court. 229 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 2: He escaped a conviction. Years later, Milligan opened up to 230 00:20:22,880 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: John Schobrook about his relationship with Stuart John Reagan. 231 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 12: I first met Reagan in Sydney years ago, and through 232 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 12: my association with Reagan, I had a partnership with Reagan 233 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 12: at one stage until we fell out. Reagan recruited me 234 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 12: in a way in the sense that he used my expertise, 235 00:20:39,920 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 12: also used me up. 236 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:46,280 Speaker 2: Schobbrook developed a rapport with Milligan. John's interview with him 237 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:52,320 Speaker 2: derailed his police career. Showbrook, courtesy of Milligan, had uncovered 238 00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:56,119 Speaker 2: for the first time details about the inner workings of 239 00:20:56,240 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 2: Queensland corruption and the joke outlined the hierarchy with Lewis, 240 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 2: Murphy and Hallahan the triumvirate at the top. He exposed 241 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 2: how the whole system worked and its monstrous scope. So 242 00:21:12,680 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 2: honest John Shabrook, along with his milligant information were quickly 243 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 2: shut down. The revelation that Reagan appeared to have been 244 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: involved in the drug trade shocked Kelly. 245 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,160 Speaker 13: Wow, So I reckon it's coming back towards heroin and money, 246 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 13: isn't it. 247 00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:37,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean those early years of when they were 248 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,119 Speaker 2: just sorting out the importation stuff. 249 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 13: Yes, yeah, when they were just getting their grounding and 250 00:21:43,119 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 13: what was involved in Because I've always also been told 251 00:21:46,359 --> 00:21:50,640 Speaker 13: that John despised drugs and never wanted anything to do 252 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:51,119 Speaker 13: with that. 253 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,520 Speaker 2: My next door neighbor has a familiar and oft repeated 254 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 2: saying it's a small world, but I have no ordinary neighbor. 255 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 2: He is former New South Wales undercovered drug squad detective 256 00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:12,440 Speaker 2: Michael Drury, who way back in June nineteen eighty four, 257 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 2: was shot twice through the kitchen window of his home 258 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 2: in Sydney. He should have died that night, but didn't. 259 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 3: Michael's near death experience was dramatized in the acclaimed nineteen 260 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 3: ninety five television series Blue Murder, Help Me, Help Me. 261 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 2: Corrupt cop Roger Rogerson was later charged with conspiring to 262 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 2: murder Drury along with hitman Christopher mister Rentakill Flannery. Drury 263 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,880 Speaker 2: had refused a bribe to get drugs charges dropped against 264 00:22:54,920 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: Melbourne drug kingpin Alan Williams. Incredibly, Rodger was acquitted. Williams 265 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 2: would later admit he attempted to bribe Drury through Rogerson. 266 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: So yes, it's a small world that a crime journalist 267 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,520 Speaker 2: would end up befriending one of New South Wales's most 268 00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:21,159 Speaker 2: celebrated and incorruptible police officers. And in keeping with that saying, 269 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 2: Drury of course, had an encounter in his policing days 270 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 2: with Milligan in the early nineteen seventies, around the time 271 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 2: Milligan was doing business with Reagan. By this stage, Drury 272 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:39,320 Speaker 2: had been secondered to the drug squad, the youngest officer 273 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: in the history of the department, not that I remember. 274 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 7: But we actually charged him really, yes, very early seventies. 275 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 7: My two workmates and I charged him in Sydney. 276 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 6: Do you remember him? 277 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 7: Yes, he was a bad criminal. I was told that 278 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:02,199 Speaker 7: he was an ex judge's associate from a judging Queens 279 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 7: and I couldn't believe it. Yes, John Edward Milligan. I 280 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 7: was only thinking about him about a month ago. He 281 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:12,359 Speaker 7: pleaded guilty to our charge. I think our charge was 282 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:16,920 Speaker 7: in relation to possession of heroin from memory, I mean 283 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 7: he was a bad criminal in drugs. I think he 284 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 7: might have been gay. Am I correct? About five ten 285 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 7: five eleven and he had a very very good head 286 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 7: on his shoulders. And I remember speaking to him in 287 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 7: the cells at Central Police Station underneath a day or 288 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:44,480 Speaker 7: two after we charged him, because he was stilling custody 289 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 7: to make sure he was all right. He was going 290 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 7: for his first appearance before the magistrates. So we must 291 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,959 Speaker 7: have charged him on a Saturday. I thought to myself 292 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 7: at the time, this man was a judge's associate from 293 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 7: Brisbane and look at him now, look at him now 294 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,920 Speaker 7: you know? Yes, John Edward Milligan. 295 00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 2: Drury found it interesting that Milligan would team up with Reagan. 296 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:19,679 Speaker 2: They were almost polar opposites or were they? Well, he 297 00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:23,880 Speaker 2: hooked up with Reagan as friends as criminal associates. 298 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 7: Milligan was a drugs man, So that to me is 299 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 7: proof that if he was running with Reagan in Sydney 300 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 7: and or Brisbane, Reagan was involved in drugs because I 301 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 7: don't think Reagan was ac DC. He may have been, but. 302 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 2: Wow, yes, when Reagan first decided to head up to 303 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,440 Speaker 2: Queensland and do business, he was his typical bullet Gate. 304 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 2: He didn't ask the rat Pack for permission, he didn't 305 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,719 Speaker 2: tell anyone about his plans. He just hit the ground running. 306 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 2: Milligan told Shobrook that Reagan caused dramas the second he 307 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 2: arrived in the Sunshine State. He particularly infuriated corrupt detective 308 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 2: and ratpacker Glen Hallahan. This is from the transcript between 309 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 2: John Schobrook and Milligan. These are their words, but not 310 00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 2: their voices. 311 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 12: Reagan just rang up without permission from anyone, and in 312 00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 12: those days, Reagan received permission to even change suburbs from 313 00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:36,960 Speaker 12: Lenny McPherson. Reagan, without getting permission from Lenny just arrived 314 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 12: in Queensland, rang up Murphy from outside the Cecil Hotel 315 00:26:40,040 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 12: and told him to come down and meet him in 316 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,000 Speaker 12: the Cecil Hotel. Murphy refused, rang Glen Hallahan. Glenn rang 317 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 12: Lenny McPherson in Sydney and wanted an answer to the 318 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,760 Speaker 12: whole thing. That they weren't just going to turn up 319 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 12: when Reagan told them to. And anyway, apparently the phones 320 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 12: ran hot for a couple of days. 321 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 10: How do you know that, John, How do you know 322 00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:58,480 Speaker 10: the story about Reagan? 323 00:26:58,800 --> 00:26:59,439 Speaker 14: Who told you? 324 00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,360 Speaker 12: Reagan told me when he came up there, he lived 325 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 12: in my flat and he told me his side of 326 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,440 Speaker 12: the story, and Glenn I contacted him. 327 00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: According to Hallahan, Reagan was bad news. In late nineteen 328 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 2: seventy one, just as partner marg gave birth to their 329 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,760 Speaker 2: second child, a daughter, Helen. Back in Sydney, Reagan was 330 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 2: tracking the whereabouts of Shirley Briffman, the runaway squealer who 331 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,920 Speaker 2: was now giving everybody up in a series of formal 332 00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 2: interviews with Queensland and New South Wales police after whistleblowing 333 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 2: on national television. Briffman was holed up at the time 334 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 2: in her sister's old Queenslander in Leafy Brindle Street in 335 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 2: Paddington in Brisbane's in a West. Her nerves were shot. 336 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 2: Investigating police were not sure whether to believe anything she said. 337 00:27:55,920 --> 00:28:00,840 Speaker 2: I interviewed legendary Queensland detective Abe Duncan about Briffman several 338 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 2: years ago before he passed away in his nursing home 339 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 2: in Brisbane. On the day I sat down with him 340 00:28:07,840 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: in his small unit, I noticed a classic detective's black 341 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,880 Speaker 2: pork pie hat in the corner of the lounge room. 342 00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,800 Speaker 2: Old Abe instantly remembered Briffman. 343 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 15: She came in and made the coup pint about the 344 00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 15: Brisbane police. You know, I never had to round her 345 00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 15: up and chase her. I had to wait until she 346 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 15: came in and he wandered the responsible offer to interview, 347 00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 15: And I showed back night after night and took statements 348 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,520 Speaker 15: from her. 349 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 5: She's very sortful. 350 00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 2: You can't one will let she say, so, where did 351 00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 2: you interview her in the city or he may pulish 352 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: eag bought her. 353 00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 6: Yes and Abra how long was that? 354 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,760 Speaker 15: Ah Viperia about three months, I think, And she willingly 355 00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 15: came in and oh yeah, she came in. Used to 356 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 15: come in Old sort of might be half threats about 357 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 15: what would be done or nothing that we will be done. 358 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 15: And once or twice she walked out with you're being interviewed, 359 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 15: and I had to run up and start on the 360 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 15: excitement again. She said, Oh, I don't know whether anybody's 361 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:17,520 Speaker 15: doing anything for me or not, you know, But I said, look, 362 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,680 Speaker 15: I'm not taking the excitements and we'll see what happens. 363 00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 15: Then We're going to wait and see what happens in 364 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 15: your health Wild first, because she was already on a 365 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 15: chart in your Health Wild and we worked out a 366 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:33,120 Speaker 15: superseded chart in Queensland. Are going back checked up fifteen 367 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,880 Speaker 15: or twenty years with something that was current in this 368 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 15: South Wild. I continued on this pasis and I had 369 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 15: to round up and continue to attack the step. 370 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:49,680 Speaker 2: And from Griffman's agitation was understandable. She told police she'd 371 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: been confronted at her safe house by Stuart John Reagan 372 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,800 Speaker 2: and a thin young man with blonde hair that had 373 00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: to have been Milligan. This is what Brifman told police. 374 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,680 Speaker 16: Johnny Reagan came to visit me here. He came to 375 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,280 Speaker 16: where I'm living now. He came in a little red 376 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 16: sports car with a new South Wales number plate. It 377 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 16: was about two or three weeks ago. Reagan came to 378 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 16: the door and said to me, I've just come back 379 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,840 Speaker 16: from up north Mariba and Herbiton and in the mining area. 380 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,360 Speaker 16: He mentioned Clermont too. Have you got the lease of 381 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,960 Speaker 16: the mind they talk about in the paper? I said yes, 382 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 16: but I haven't got it here. I have a mine 383 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 16: at Herberton, called the Last Chance. I said, how did 384 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 16: you find out where I live? He said, I've got 385 00:30:37,560 --> 00:30:40,880 Speaker 16: ways and means. He did not threaten me, but I 386 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,440 Speaker 16: was shocked to see him. 387 00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: This was classic Reagan. He was in town on business 388 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 2: and used the Briffman situation to extort a tin mine 389 00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,360 Speaker 2: license from her and in the process do a favor 390 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:59,440 Speaker 2: for either some of his criminal mates in Sydney or 391 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 2: corrupt hops or both by intimidating her. He was an 392 00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:09,800 Speaker 2: apex predator. He took what he could get on the fly. 393 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:16,720 Speaker 2: In Brisbane, Reagan was Milligan's house guest. The law school 394 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:21,080 Speaker 2: dropout had an Art Deco style apartment in fashionable New 395 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 2: Farm on the bend of the Brisbane River, just northeast 396 00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 2: of the CBD. Milligan decided to give the Sydney tough 397 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 2: guy a tour of the local underground drug scene and 398 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 2: by complete chance, a local celebrity got caught up in 399 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:40,560 Speaker 2: the drama. 400 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 6: A very good evening, everyone, Welcome to seven National News. 401 00:31:46,800 --> 00:31:49,280 Speaker 6: I'm Mike Higgins. Very good evening everyone. My Higgins tonight 402 00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:53,160 Speaker 6: claims of widespread ripoffs in the Queensland home building industry. 403 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 6: Good after learn everyone, Mike Higgins for seven National News. 404 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 6: Australia's consumer price index rows by. 405 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 14: Three point Fiveewitness. 406 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 2: News in the big country town that was Brisbane in 407 00:32:05,280 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 2: the late nineteen sixties and early nineteen seventies, everybody knew 408 00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: newsreader Mike Higgins. 409 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 6: Strongly worded telegrams were sent today to the Prime Minister, 410 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,800 Speaker 6: Mister Whitlam and Acting Minister for Science Stocks. 411 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:32,840 Speaker 2: Higgins was young, attractive and wore a trademark handlebar mustache. 412 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: He also had a velvet voice. Born in Sydney, Higgins 413 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:42,560 Speaker 2: worked in rural radio before quickly working his way up 414 00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:46,720 Speaker 2: the TV ladder, settling at Channel seven in Brisbane as 415 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: a midnight cowboy style alpha male who read and reported 416 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,840 Speaker 2: the news. He could have walked straight out of an 417 00:32:54,840 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 2: advertisement for Marlborough cigarettes. Higgins was an instant sensation and 418 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 2: the ratings soared at Channel seven by the early nineteen seventies. 419 00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,200 Speaker 2: With a short lived marriage behind him, heart throb Higgins 420 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:14,360 Speaker 2: lived in a sharehouse in Kelvin Grove in the Inner 421 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 2: City with a group of female art and university students. 422 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 2: He quickly learned that the old Queenslander was some sort 423 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:28,480 Speaker 2: of shop and go from marijuana enthusiasts. Then an eccentric 424 00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:33,440 Speaker 2: character started turning up at the house, as Higgins writes 425 00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: in his memoir Trouserless under the news desk. Things started 426 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: to get serious when a skinny little bloke called Milligan, 427 00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 2: who supplied the girls with most of their grass, began 428 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,360 Speaker 2: to drop in. Sometimes he was a bit unhinged and 429 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: occasionally wore a priest's outfit as a disguise with a 430 00:33:55,240 --> 00:34:01,000 Speaker 2: gun hidden in its folds. As if Milligan wasn't alarming enough, 431 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 2: The arrival of Reagan, Milligan's associate, sent the dashing newsreader 432 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 2: into a spin. This was no longer a joke. This 433 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,640 Speaker 2: was getting serious. I tracked down Mike Higgins, now in 434 00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:23,760 Speaker 2: his seventies on Queensland Sunshine Coast. He remembered his encounter 435 00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,360 Speaker 2: with the underworld like it was yesterday. 436 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,600 Speaker 6: Anyway, I got home from work one day from Channel 437 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 6: seven and went into my bedroom and there was a 438 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:38,400 Speaker 6: bloke sitting on my bed, cleaning and taking apart a 439 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 6: most dangerous looking automatic weapon. I don't know whether it 440 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 6: was a sawn off weapon. I couldn't tell you exactly 441 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 6: what it was, but it gave me a hell of 442 00:34:47,160 --> 00:34:50,200 Speaker 6: a fright because there was also a suitcase on the 443 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 6: bed with little bags of white powder. And then the 444 00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:58,480 Speaker 6: penny dropped and I thought, these friends of my flatmates 445 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:03,680 Speaker 6: are not really good people. I was pretty sure it 446 00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,040 Speaker 6: was heroin or cocaine or something. I'd never used them myself. 447 00:35:07,120 --> 00:35:09,279 Speaker 6: I'd smoked a few joints, of course, as we all 448 00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:14,680 Speaker 6: did when we were twenty. But I became quite paranoid, 449 00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:18,440 Speaker 6: really now. The guy on the bed was John Reagan, 450 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,719 Speaker 6: and it wasn't until some years later that I discovered 451 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 6: how lucky I had been. 452 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 2: I emailed Higgins's photographs of Reagan in his twenties, and 453 00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 2: the old newsreader confirmed that it was the magician he 454 00:35:32,239 --> 00:35:36,400 Speaker 2: saw in his bedroom that night. He had no doubt 455 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:40,560 Speaker 2: Reagan was associated with Milligan in the drugs trade. He 456 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 2: recalled Milligan. 457 00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 6: He was a pretty smart cookie. He was also very 458 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,200 Speaker 6: hyper and well for a start, he was a heroin dealer, 459 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 6: I discovered, and he used to wear a priest's outfit, 460 00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,280 Speaker 6: and I think at one stage she had a black 461 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:01,800 Speaker 6: one like the regular black priest thing with a white collar. 462 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,279 Speaker 6: But he also had a brown one with a cow 463 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:09,799 Speaker 6: like a hood like a monk. And he used to 464 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 6: have a gun occasionally under there. And he told me 465 00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 6: that he used to bring in heroine through the airport 466 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 6: in his priest's outfit, and that Clow he did it. Now, 467 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:28,640 Speaker 6: what happened after I got home and saw John Reagan, 468 00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:32,160 Speaker 6: who I later discovered was a contract killer and a 469 00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 6: murderer and a very nasty character. I decided that I 470 00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 6: wanted to get out of the house. 471 00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 14: Now. 472 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,960 Speaker 6: This all happened in the course of a couple of days. 473 00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,239 Speaker 2: What terrified Higgins even further was that Milligan had a 474 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,280 Speaker 2: lucrative proposition for him. 475 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 6: Milligan said to me, he said, I want you to 476 00:36:53,680 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 6: fly to Sydney. I've got an offer for you. If 477 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,759 Speaker 6: you fly from Brisbane to Sydney and back again once 478 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,439 Speaker 6: a mo with a suitcase full of grass, we will 479 00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 6: give you a unit on the Gold Coast. And it 480 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:11,439 Speaker 6: was either a Ferrari or a Jaguar or some sort 481 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:14,640 Speaker 6: of sports car. I don't remember which one it was. 482 00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 6: Did you take him seriously? I meant an extraordinary Oh. 483 00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 6: I took him very seriously, very seriously, because I did 484 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:26,279 Speaker 6: make the mistake of I went to a dinner one 485 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,279 Speaker 6: night at a Chinese restaurant in the valley. Now there 486 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:34,240 Speaker 6: was John Reagan, there was John Milligan, and a couple 487 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 6: of blokes allegedly who were I don't know whether they 488 00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:42,399 Speaker 6: were in the tow Cutters gang or whether they were 489 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 6: connected to the toe Cutters gang. I'm not sure. Anyway, 490 00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,440 Speaker 6: Milligan said, you know, will you go down and bring 491 00:37:49,480 --> 00:37:53,400 Speaker 6: back a bag of marijuana, a suitcase full of marijuana 492 00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 6: once a month, because it would be you'd be beyond suspicion. 493 00:37:57,360 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 6: Being a television news reader. You know, they wouldn't think 494 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 6: that anyway. I realized, after having seen the contract killer 495 00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:11,040 Speaker 6: on my bed with a gun and what appeared to 496 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,600 Speaker 6: be either heroine or cocaine or something. But what suitcase 497 00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,960 Speaker 6: that I'd been asking me, It would never just contain grass. 498 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:23,080 Speaker 6: It would have had heavy, dangerous drugs in the suitcase. 499 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:29,200 Speaker 6: So I said, sorry, no, thank you. Milligan's response was 500 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:31,480 Speaker 6: if you don't do this, I'm going to shoot you 501 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 6: in the kneecaps. Now. The very next day I left Brisbane. 502 00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:42,400 Speaker 2: Higgins in fear for his life, literally bolted. 503 00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:47,359 Speaker 6: The fear suddenly became very real, and Surge and I 504 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,360 Speaker 6: and my future wife then, who worked at a radio station, 505 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,160 Speaker 6: we all took off an headed north, got away from 506 00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,080 Speaker 6: Brisbane as soon as possible. Well, we only got a 507 00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,080 Speaker 6: few hundred kilometers up to Queensland coast and I walked 508 00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:04,080 Speaker 6: out one Sunday morning and my face was plastered over 509 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:09,279 Speaker 6: every newsstand, you know, the little wire news stands outside newsagents, 510 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 6: and I thought, oh my god, I'm everywhere. So at 511 00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:17,760 Speaker 6: that point in my mind I had Reagan and Milligan 512 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 6: looking for me. I also had the police looking for me, 513 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:26,160 Speaker 6: which was a fact because Channel seven had enlisted me 514 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 6: as a missing person. The police went up to my 515 00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:32,719 Speaker 6: locker at Channel seven and broke it open to try 516 00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:34,200 Speaker 6: and find where I'd gone. 517 00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 2: Ken Digger Blanche of the popular Brisbane Sunday Sun newspaper 518 00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 2: eventually tracked down Higgins in Mount Isa, the mining town 519 00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,000 Speaker 2: in the far northwest of the state. The newspaper and 520 00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:50,279 Speaker 2: Blanche trumpeted. 521 00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:54,240 Speaker 8: Mike Higgins, former golden boy of Brisbane television, is today 522 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,640 Speaker 8: running for his life. Higgins told me in an exclusive 523 00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,840 Speaker 8: interview that he had split from Brisbane to a ho 524 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:02,840 Speaker 8: half months ago, fearing death or maiming at the hands 525 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 8: of criminals deeply involved in Australia wide drug pushing. For 526 00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 8: the past five weeks, twenty five thousand Northwestern Queenslanders have 527 00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,600 Speaker 8: listened to the golden voice of Mike Higgins thinking they 528 00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 8: were listening to a suave breakfast session announcer named Mike Morrison. 529 00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:20,719 Speaker 8: The radio station bosses knew who Higgins was, but they 530 00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 8: kept it a close secret to protect him. 531 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:26,800 Speaker 2: Higgins eventually found his way back to his news desk 532 00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 2: at Channel seven up on Mount Coother in Brisbane. 533 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 6: Thanks to you for joining us tonight from seven National 534 00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,360 Speaker 6: News around Australia and from Mike Higgins here in Brisbane. 535 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:36,400 Speaker 12: Good night to you at Gobless. 536 00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:42,760 Speaker 2: Apart from terrorizing Brisbane celebrity newsreaders, Reagan also found time 537 00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 2: to do a few real estate deals. Noel Barbie was 538 00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:49,360 Speaker 2: a young solicitor who'd put up a shingle in the 539 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,200 Speaker 2: city's historically seedy suburb of Fortitude Valley, just north of 540 00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:58,640 Speaker 2: the Brisbane, CBD. It had once been a major shopping hub, 541 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 2: but over the years its prestige had slipped away. Barbie, 542 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,560 Speaker 2: who specialized in criminal law, was a sole practitioner who 543 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,880 Speaker 2: mainly did business with fallow Italians. He would go on 544 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:17,720 Speaker 2: to legally represent members of the city's reputed Bellino crime family, 545 00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:24,280 Speaker 2: particularly brothers Geraldo and Tony Geraldo or Jerry was jailed 546 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,800 Speaker 2: following the Fitzgerald Royal Commission into Police and political corruption 547 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:33,000 Speaker 2: in Queensland in the late nineteen eighties, but back in 548 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:37,160 Speaker 2: the early seventies Barbie was a young talented lawyer on 549 00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:40,760 Speaker 2: the make. Barbie agreed to be interviewed in his offices 550 00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:44,080 Speaker 2: above a low rise shopping complex in the now elite 551 00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:49,880 Speaker 2: riverside suburb of Newfarm, the same suburb John Edward Milligan 552 00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:54,040 Speaker 2: once called home Knowls still practicing on the turf, he 553 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,160 Speaker 2: claimed when he first started out as a lawyer. 554 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,480 Speaker 17: I remember Milligan, and you know there's a pale fellow, 555 00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 17: well met and then as fair as that's concerned, sociable, affable, 556 00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:09,160 Speaker 17: you knew his way round land matters etc. And you'd 557 00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 17: come across him if you were dealing with a client. 558 00:42:11,120 --> 00:42:14,360 Speaker 17: And then there was some transaction and there was Milligan 559 00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,200 Speaker 17: in the middle of it, and I think he might 560 00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:20,360 Speaker 17: have used some of that bona fides or credentials because 561 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,440 Speaker 17: of the associate thing he was in to go and 562 00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,799 Speaker 17: develop that so that he could say he could use it. 563 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:30,240 Speaker 17: But it was always something where it was shady or 564 00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,240 Speaker 17: some sort of problem with it. There was always something 565 00:42:33,280 --> 00:42:34,080 Speaker 17: going on like that. 566 00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:38,200 Speaker 2: And it was through Milligan that Barbie met Stuart John 567 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,240 Speaker 2: Reagan at that time. 568 00:42:40,600 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 17: In relation to Reagan, the only thing that I can 569 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,040 Speaker 17: recall now the sticks out a lot since you've called 570 00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,640 Speaker 17: me I thought about it, is that there was a fellow. 571 00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 17: I don't know whether he frequented Brothers Rugby club or not, 572 00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:57,920 Speaker 17: but there was a fellow there called Pat Oswald at Brothers. 573 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,000 Speaker 17: He was a brother stall at, a roll boy or something. 574 00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:03,200 Speaker 17: Reagan must have got a shine with him, or knocked 575 00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:08,280 Speaker 17: around at Brothers or mixed whatever. Oswald had an aunt 576 00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,800 Speaker 17: or some relation that had property here in Elliston Road 577 00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,239 Speaker 17: in New Farm and somewhere or other. He must have 578 00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 17: had some sway with the yard to sell it to Reagan. 579 00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,319 Speaker 17: There's a block of flats there now or units that 580 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,719 Speaker 17: they built, and I'm pretty sure I didn't do the 581 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 17: conveyance as such, but it was that sort of thing. 582 00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:31,400 Speaker 17: I don't think I've ever appeared for him in a 583 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:32,040 Speaker 17: court matter. 584 00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,400 Speaker 2: Later I went to see Reagan's ambitious development just around 585 00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,480 Speaker 2: the corner from Noel Barbie's office and a stone's throw 586 00:43:41,560 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 2: from Milligan's former home in the Art deco apartment building 587 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,279 Speaker 2: overlooking New Farm Park. So I'm standing outside of a 588 00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:55,640 Speaker 2: block of units at fifteen Elliston Road and New Farm 589 00:43:55,800 --> 00:44:00,440 Speaker 2: This is where Solicitor Noel Barbie said that Reagan bought 590 00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:06,040 Speaker 2: this land off the auntie of someone he met in 591 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:11,360 Speaker 2: Brisbane and clearly demolished the house, huge block and built 592 00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:18,960 Speaker 2: this three level block of cream brick flats. It's called 593 00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:25,040 Speaker 2: Rosedale Lodge. It's ten second walk to Newfarm Park, beautiful spot, 594 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:33,280 Speaker 2: incredible and it backs onto the New Farm Bowls Club. 595 00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:39,919 Speaker 2: It's a big block of apartments. It looks like garages 596 00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 2: on the ground level, breethes through besser brick, cream brick 597 00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:50,359 Speaker 2: and then two levels of apartments. I'm just looking at 598 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:58,239 Speaker 2: the letterboxes, so we've got eleven apartments. Can't believe he 599 00:44:58,320 --> 00:45:04,839 Speaker 2: had the foresight too take this huge suburban block in 600 00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:09,719 Speaker 2: the early seventies and had the vision to build this 601 00:45:11,200 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 2: massive apartment complex incredible and there's even an old Hill's 602 00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 2: house out the back. So, according to Noel Barbie, this 603 00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:31,919 Speaker 2: was a Reagan investment and it must have paid off 604 00:45:31,960 --> 00:45:33,800 Speaker 2: incredibly handsomely. 605 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:35,840 Speaker 12: At that point. 606 00:45:38,160 --> 00:45:44,359 Speaker 2: Yet another example of Reagan's real estate entrepreneurship right here, 607 00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:59,200 Speaker 2: I'll have to rink Kelly. A huge question started to 608 00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,880 Speaker 2: loom the more we learned about Reagan's real estate activities 609 00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,880 Speaker 2: in Brisbane, and as we'd soon find out further up 610 00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:12,640 Speaker 2: the coast and even into rural Queensland. That question was this, 611 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:17,200 Speaker 2: Where did Reagan, at this stage, only about twenty six 612 00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:22,160 Speaker 2: or twenty seven years old, secure the significant finances needed 613 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:27,319 Speaker 2: to fund investments like Rosedale Lodge? Where did all the 614 00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:32,800 Speaker 2: money come from? Former New South Wales drug squad operative 615 00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:36,200 Speaker 2: and my neighbor Michael Drury had no doubt that Reagan, 616 00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:40,760 Speaker 2: through his association with Milligan, had to be involved in drugs. 617 00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:45,040 Speaker 2: We have the hapless newsreader Mike Higgins bumping into Reagan 618 00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,160 Speaker 2: cleaning a gun with an open suitcase of drugs beside him. 619 00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:52,720 Speaker 2: I began to suspect that Reagan was a bigger player 620 00:46:52,719 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 2: in the drug trade than anyone knew, a fact obscured 621 00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,279 Speaker 2: in the half century since his death, and that his 622 00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:04,399 Speaker 2: business partner, John Edward Milligan, too was far more than 623 00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:09,520 Speaker 2: the clown prince of a rapidly growing drug trade. I 624 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:13,560 Speaker 2: turned to my mate Jim Slade for advice. Jim is 625 00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 2: one of the most honest and decent people you'll ever meet. 626 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,400 Speaker 2: His refusal to accept a bribe as a Queensland Police 627 00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:24,360 Speaker 2: officer in the nineteen seventies and eighties literally led to 628 00:47:24,360 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 2: the Queensland Government setting up the Royal Commission into Corruption, 629 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:33,799 Speaker 2: headed by Tony Fitzgerald in nineteen eighty seven. That inquiry 630 00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,000 Speaker 2: brought down the rat Pack and the government of long 631 00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:42,400 Speaker 2: term Premier Jobioki Pedison. But before the Fitzgerald drama, Jim 632 00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:46,040 Speaker 2: was a prodigy as an undercover agent for the Queensland 633 00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:51,880 Speaker 2: Police's Bureau of Criminal Intelligence. He put together a picture 634 00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,319 Speaker 2: of drug manufacture and importation into Australia that was so 635 00:47:56,440 --> 00:48:01,440 Speaker 2: comprehensive that it was taken by corrupt police and disseminated 636 00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:07,719 Speaker 2: to select drug dealers. The crooks were using Jim's information 637 00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,320 Speaker 2: as a template on how to avoid detection and arrest. 638 00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,520 Speaker 2: Jim had conducted some covert surveillance on Milligan at his 639 00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,839 Speaker 2: block of flats in Newfarm and that's how he learned 640 00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:25,680 Speaker 2: about Reagan. Jim was and remains convinced that Reagan was 641 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 2: a serious player in the heroin trade at the time. 642 00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there was no doubt about it. But 643 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:35,920 Speaker 4: what an absolute incredible man Reagan was. 644 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:39,720 Speaker 3: Why do you say that? Oh, you know, like, how. 645 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,760 Speaker 4: Can a human being be so different? In one minute 646 00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,120 Speaker 4: he's doing this thing and the next minute he's doing 647 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:51,239 Speaker 4: another incredible body criminal act, and then he's involved with 648 00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,920 Speaker 4: all of these body criminals, and then he's able to 649 00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:59,120 Speaker 4: move between these groups which at that time were bloody 650 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,959 Speaker 4: dead against each other, like they were adversaries, and yet 651 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:06,719 Speaker 4: he was able to move freely between them all. 652 00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:11,239 Speaker 2: Do you think even Reagan could have got in over 653 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:14,000 Speaker 2: his head with the big drug gamer? 654 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:17,239 Speaker 4: I think, you know, there's two ways of looking at that. 655 00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:20,399 Speaker 4: There's that one, but the one I look the one 656 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,759 Speaker 4: that I favor, is that he saw he didn't have 657 00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 4: to go to all of that trouble, that he could 658 00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,040 Speaker 4: deal with Neddie Smith and Milligan and those after the 659 00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:34,840 Speaker 4: drugs came in. So why worry about that one? Just 660 00:49:34,960 --> 00:49:37,439 Speaker 4: do that and he would have put money in. There's 661 00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:39,680 Speaker 4: no doubt in my mind that he was happy to 662 00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,719 Speaker 4: triple his money and then buy the heroine for his 663 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,600 Speaker 4: own business once it got into Australia. 664 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,880 Speaker 2: And is that smart or is it more dangerous? 665 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:51,280 Speaker 6: No? 666 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,279 Speaker 4: No, I think it's smart because number one, all of 667 00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:58,000 Speaker 4: that group could see that Reagan wasn't going to be 668 00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,279 Speaker 4: a threat to them. He was being used because he 669 00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:05,600 Speaker 4: was putting money into the big imports and he was 670 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:08,080 Speaker 4: being given a deal. And what it looks like when 671 00:50:08,160 --> 00:50:13,240 Speaker 4: you look back over from informants and history, Reagan's heroin 672 00:50:13,719 --> 00:50:16,439 Speaker 4: was very very strong. So that tells me that it's 673 00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,040 Speaker 4: being obtained very close to the importer. If that heroin 674 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:23,960 Speaker 4: had sort of come down to about fifty percent, I 675 00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:27,440 Speaker 4: wouldn't go along with that idea that I've got, because 676 00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:31,360 Speaker 4: that heroin would have been obtained well down the line 677 00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,160 Speaker 4: from ready Smith and Milligan. 678 00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:35,279 Speaker 2: Right, so he was closer to the source, and then 679 00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:36,960 Speaker 2: he could cut it all down and make more. 680 00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,480 Speaker 6: Profit, exactly right. 681 00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:41,080 Speaker 4: And because he was doing that, and because he was 682 00:50:41,120 --> 00:50:44,839 Speaker 4: one of the investors, everything went along fine. 683 00:50:44,680 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 2: But he didn't carry the risk of the importation exactly right, Yep. 684 00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:55,000 Speaker 2: At some point Reagan and Milligan had a huge falling 685 00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,080 Speaker 2: out in Brisbane. Jim Slayer believes it involved a failed 686 00:50:59,120 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 2: heroin importation at the time. As it turned out, Federal 687 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:08,000 Speaker 2: Narcotic's agent Brian Bennett ended up meeting Reagan in a 688 00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 2: backstreet near the Lord Alfred Hotel on Petrie Terrace, in 689 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,640 Speaker 2: the shadow of the famous rugby league field Lang Park 690 00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:21,080 Speaker 2: now known as sun Corpse Stadium in the Cities Inner West. 691 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,600 Speaker 2: Reagan had contacted an officer he knew in the Queensland 692 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:29,160 Speaker 2: Police Department offering to give up a major drug dealer, 693 00:51:29,719 --> 00:51:34,799 Speaker 2: namely Milligan. But the Queensland cop felt the matter was 694 00:51:34,920 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 2: too big for the local constabulary and called in Bennett 695 00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 2: and the Knarks. If this was true, it could be 696 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:46,480 Speaker 2: a major bust. It also showed how there was no 697 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:52,360 Speaker 2: honor among thieves. Reagan didn't hesitate to rat out Milligan 698 00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,120 Speaker 2: when it suited him. Bennett and his partner went to 699 00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:00,200 Speaker 2: meet Reagan, though they didn't yet know the identity of 700 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:01,760 Speaker 2: this new drugs informer. 701 00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 5: The rendezvous was said there was a lame way on 702 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:12,440 Speaker 5: the northern side of that raid. A lane went in 703 00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,959 Speaker 5: and then it did a dog leg to the Rock 704 00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:19,440 Speaker 5: and that's where we had to meet this side and 705 00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,719 Speaker 5: I drove the car. Vince was got into the back. 706 00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:29,080 Speaker 5: We pulled up and it was John Reagan. Uh huh, 707 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,640 Speaker 5: who was later murdered at marathle in nineteen seventy four. 708 00:52:35,120 --> 00:52:36,880 Speaker 5: John Reagan, Yeah, what was he like? 709 00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:37,719 Speaker 10: I loved him here. 710 00:52:40,520 --> 00:52:46,080 Speaker 5: He had the colder eyes. Yeah, blue eyes, chillingly blue eyes. 711 00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 5: He had the colder's eyes on a human being. I 712 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:52,360 Speaker 5: have the scene there was extremely fit. I remember seeing 713 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,879 Speaker 5: when he was sitting in the car his eyes sort 714 00:52:56,920 --> 00:52:59,879 Speaker 5: of bulged with muscle. He was like a you think 715 00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:03,320 Speaker 5: he been a soccer player or something, which are standing 716 00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:07,520 Speaker 5: knocked around the dog league in this flight waiting for us. Anyway, 717 00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,600 Speaker 5: he told us that he was a businessman from Sidney 718 00:53:11,400 --> 00:53:18,000 Speaker 5: and he was in Brisbane demolishing and renovating homes. He 719 00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:23,360 Speaker 5: said that he'd met this fellow Milligan, John Edward Milligan. 720 00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:28,640 Speaker 5: I can't recall the circumstances how he met him, but anyway, 721 00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:32,359 Speaker 5: he discovered that Milligan was heavily involved in the importation 722 00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:36,960 Speaker 5: of drugs on a large scale, and he said, I 723 00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 5: am against drugs personally. Now I happen to know that 724 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:46,719 Speaker 5: John Reagan did in fact former a citizens group of 725 00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:52,400 Speaker 5: naive people which was sort of aim mainly a corrupt police, 726 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,400 Speaker 5: but it was basically under the umbrella of anti drugs. 727 00:53:57,160 --> 00:54:01,960 Speaker 5: I mean, that's documented anyway for this skin too around 728 00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:05,480 Speaker 5: that killer al right, I mean he said have been 729 00:54:05,600 --> 00:54:10,280 Speaker 5: responsible for thirday murders, thirday name murders, including that five 730 00:54:10,360 --> 00:54:12,359 Speaker 5: year old boy of one of his prostitutes. 731 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 14: That's right. 732 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,120 Speaker 3: What was the point of him giving you that information? 733 00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:22,640 Speaker 5: You think, well, very strange because I mean obviously he 734 00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:27,080 Speaker 5: believed that Milligan had enough on him that could destroy him, 735 00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:30,680 Speaker 5: but he couldn't get at it. I mean, obviously he 736 00:54:30,800 --> 00:54:35,399 Speaker 5: believed Milligan had planted evidence in a solicitor's office or 737 00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,680 Speaker 5: with someone safe where the evidence would emerge if in 738 00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,319 Speaker 5: fact John just shot it. You know, obviously he was 739 00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:48,000 Speaker 5: scared of the repercussion of actually killing Milliger. Now, he 740 00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:54,279 Speaker 5: produced photagraphs, he was extremely professional. I mean, it's been said, 741 00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:59,200 Speaker 5: and I believe it that Stuart John Reagan was one 742 00:54:59,239 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 5: of the first criminal in Australia the adopted American organized 743 00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:07,720 Speaker 5: crime methods, you know, modern you sort of neplid. 744 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 2: It's interesting that Brian Bennett mentioned here how Reagan had 745 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:17,200 Speaker 2: absorbed criminal techniques from the United States, that as a 746 00:55:17,239 --> 00:55:21,719 Speaker 2: gangster he was way ahead of the curve. Time and 747 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,359 Speaker 2: again in our research down the years, we've come across observers, 748 00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,080 Speaker 2: both police and criminals, who'd mentioned that Reagan, especially towards 749 00:55:31,120 --> 00:55:34,920 Speaker 2: the end of his life, had adopted a Chicago style 750 00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:42,120 Speaker 2: of gangsterism. And what did that mean? Thinking big, overwhelming 751 00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:47,080 Speaker 2: your rivals, being quicker and smarter, and taking out your 752 00:55:47,200 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 2: enemies when necessary, irrespective of any so called loyalty to 753 00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,880 Speaker 2: a pecking order. Brian Bennett continued with his one and 754 00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:58,560 Speaker 2: only meeting with Reagan. 755 00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:05,480 Speaker 5: He produced these photographs big blow up Old Milligan, taken 756 00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:09,160 Speaker 5: front and side, just like a mugshot. And obviously he 757 00:56:09,480 --> 00:56:12,640 Speaker 5: or someone else had a gun on Milligan because Milligan 758 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:17,320 Speaker 5: was pasing, not looking happy, of course front and side photographs. 759 00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,160 Speaker 5: And he gave us a number of quite a number 760 00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 5: of documents belonging to Milligan, so he claimed, and amongst 761 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:29,240 Speaker 5: those documents I've never forgotten this was a best ofs 762 00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:34,400 Speaker 5: card on Peter Weir. Peter Weir, of course now is 763 00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:39,120 Speaker 5: a well known Australian film director made Delipoli and so forth. 764 00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:42,960 Speaker 5: But in those days. Apparently he was only in the 765 00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:48,520 Speaker 5: strugg Off Street or in very early career. And Reagan 766 00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:51,920 Speaker 5: told us that the Illigan was the sort of black 767 00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:54,400 Speaker 5: who would document. 768 00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:55,280 Speaker 14: Everyone he met. 769 00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,600 Speaker 5: He'd run a little diary entry on them and indicate 770 00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:03,520 Speaker 5: their potential and their weaknesses. You know, he had an 771 00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,200 Speaker 5: eye for the future. And Peter Weired's card was attached 772 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,600 Speaker 5: to a filing card and I forget the comments on it, 773 00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 5: but they were. They weren't adverse to Peter Weird or complimentary. Actually, 774 00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:21,680 Speaker 5: something along the lines of this fire very smart and 775 00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:24,560 Speaker 5: will probably go far in his profession. 776 00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:28,520 Speaker 14: For extraordinary thing to do for Milligon find of this well, 777 00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:33,000 Speaker 14: I mean, Reagan wasn't the only one using advance organized 778 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,960 Speaker 14: prime type methods anyway, So Reagan claimed that they were 779 00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:43,880 Speaker 14: sort of business partners in this renovation business office buildings 780 00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:44,680 Speaker 14: and so forth. 781 00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,840 Speaker 5: Anyway, obviously it had been a split and that was 782 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,760 Speaker 5: the result someone pulled a gun on Milligan and adding 783 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 5: posts for photographs and ripped off all his paperwork. Ben 784 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 5: Reagan said, Okay, well I'm going back to Sydney. Sho 785 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:04,520 Speaker 5: go for this blacky big time. It all pay off. 786 00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:09,440 Speaker 5: And I think that was the only major contact we 787 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:10,400 Speaker 5: had with Reagan. 788 00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 2: In the meantime, Reagan was still buzzing around Brisbane trying 789 00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:21,200 Speaker 2: to drum up business. He wanted to expand his prostitution 790 00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:25,960 Speaker 2: business into western Queensland and up the coast. He was 791 00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 2: also keeping track of Shirley Briffman. While she was singing 792 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:35,200 Speaker 2: like a canary to the police down in police headquarters 793 00:58:35,200 --> 00:58:39,440 Speaker 2: in Roma Street, Reagan was meeting associates not far away 794 00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 2: in the fancy Lennon's hotel. Back in Sydney, Reagan's long 795 00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:50,800 Speaker 2: suffering de facto Margaret was coping with a newborn Helen, 796 00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 2: but Reagan's entrepreneurship took precedence and he was more intent 797 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,919 Speaker 2: on tracking down a former lover and intitute who worked 798 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:05,240 Speaker 2: for him, a young woman called Sheryl Ann Mitchell. She 799 00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:09,320 Speaker 2: had fled Reagan and Sydney and ultimately decided to hide 800 00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:12,280 Speaker 2: out in Brisbane. She was kicking around with a crook 801 00:59:12,360 --> 00:59:17,120 Speaker 2: called Leslie Giggler. Gigler managed some so called health studios 802 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:21,680 Speaker 2: on the Gold Coast. Reagan was intent on killing them both. 803 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 2: As Shirley Briffman told police when this was all happening. 804 00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,480 Speaker 16: I've seen Reagan four times the time I saw him 805 00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:34,840 Speaker 16: in Lennon's. He did not see me. I think informant 806 00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,800 Speaker 16: would probably be blondeheaded joker. They were looking for Gigler. 807 00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,400 Speaker 16: You must have contacts to find out where he is, 808 00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:46,000 Speaker 16: Reagan said. Nobody double crosses me or something. He's got 809 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:49,480 Speaker 16: a girl with him that he shouldn't have. Also something 810 00:59:49,480 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 16: to do with the car. Nobody takes something which belongs 811 00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:54,600 Speaker 16: to me. I'm going to shoot him when I get him, 812 00:59:54,600 --> 00:59:55,959 Speaker 16: when I find him. 813 00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,760 Speaker 2: Mitchell was found dead of a drug overdose in her 814 00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:03,280 Speaker 2: fl at on Old Burley Road in Surface Paradise in 815 01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:08,480 Speaker 2: late October nineteen seventy one. During Mitchell's inquest, it was 816 01:00:08,520 --> 01:00:11,880 Speaker 2: alleged that she had left behind a letter that predicted 817 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:18,360 Speaker 2: her own death. Reagan featured prominently in the letter, to. 818 01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,160 Speaker 18: Whom it may concern, this is to say that it 819 01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,040 Speaker 18: is my belief that a man by the name of 820 01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:26,760 Speaker 18: John Reagan, of fifty six Duke Street, Kensington, will make 821 01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,200 Speaker 18: an attempt on my life. Up until several months ago, 822 01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:32,480 Speaker 18: I was living with him, and he was taking the 823 01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,000 Speaker 18: money that I earned as a prostitute in King's Cross. 824 01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:39,840 Speaker 18: He had consistently annoyed and persecuted my friends and family. 825 01:00:41,640 --> 01:00:45,200 Speaker 2: Another witness who knew Mitchell told the inquest. 826 01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 19: She was a nice, quiet type of person. She told 827 01:00:49,120 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 19: me John Reagan was a gangster in Sydney and that 828 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:53,680 Speaker 19: she used to go with him, and when she broke 829 01:00:53,800 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 19: up with him, that he threatened to get her. That's 830 01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,080 Speaker 19: why she came to Brisbane. She said she was frightened 831 01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 19: of Reagan, very frightened of him, and that he'd probably 832 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:03,080 Speaker 19: get her in the end. 833 01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:13,760 Speaker 2: It's difficult to weed out fact from fiction here, given 834 01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:17,640 Speaker 2: Mitchell's letter about her impending death somehow found its way 835 01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:22,960 Speaker 2: into the hands of ratpacker Glendon Patrick Hallahan, and it 836 01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:26,480 Speaker 2: was Hallahan who was pushing the theory that Reagan had 837 01:01:26,640 --> 01:01:31,560 Speaker 2: murdered Mitchell. Reagan was a threat to the harmony of 838 01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:35,600 Speaker 2: the corrupt system known as the Joke. If Reagan got 839 01:01:35,600 --> 01:01:39,360 Speaker 2: a foothold in Queensland, then the floodgates might open to 840 01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:45,320 Speaker 2: Southern criminals taking over. What is inescapable is that Reagan 841 01:01:45,480 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 2: was sowing chaos left, right and center, and what shines 842 01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,800 Speaker 2: through is one of his underlying character traits that made 843 01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:59,919 Speaker 2: him then and today such a disagreeable, some would say, 844 01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:07,160 Speaker 2: despicable human being. Beneath almost everything he did was violence 845 01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:13,120 Speaker 2: towards women, his de facto margh lovers sex workers in 846 01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:18,560 Speaker 2: his employ He had an infantile attitude when he said 847 01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:22,120 Speaker 2: that nobody took one of his women. How much of 848 01:02:22,160 --> 01:02:27,720 Speaker 2: this hatred stemmed back to the Colonel. Amidst the madness, 849 01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:31,200 Speaker 2: Reagan also found time to enter a business partnership with 850 01:02:31,360 --> 01:02:37,320 Speaker 2: psychopath Queensland gangster Vince o'dempsey, who not only worshiped Reagan 851 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 2: but modeled his entire criminal persona on him. More of 852 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,560 Speaker 2: Reagan's deadly doppelganger in the next episode. And in these 853 01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:51,160 Speaker 2: later years, and at the peak of his powers, Reagan 854 01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:56,640 Speaker 2: perpetuated a monstrous cash rich real estate scam that was 855 01:02:56,720 --> 01:03:01,960 Speaker 2: so successful it outlived him. But all of this pales 856 01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,200 Speaker 2: in comparison to the mass murder at the Whiskey, a 857 01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,200 Speaker 2: go go nightclub on Saint Paul's Terrace in Brisbane's Fortitude 858 01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:15,080 Speaker 2: Valley in the early hours of March eighth, nineteen seventy three. 859 01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:21,320 Speaker 2: Fifteen innocent people perished, crooks and corrupt police ran for cover. 860 01:03:22,360 --> 01:03:25,800 Speaker 2: Reagan said he was in Sydney when the Whisky went up. 861 01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:31,439 Speaker 2: He even volunteered his services to police to track down 862 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:36,720 Speaker 2: the dastardly killers. Yet half a century later, the true 863 01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:40,480 Speaker 2: story of who was behind the Whiskey massacre has never 864 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:46,680 Speaker 2: been told. And the biggest question is this, on that 865 01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:51,440 Speaker 2: deadly night, was Johnny Reagan where he said he was? 866 01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,280 Speaker 2: But to get to the truth of the Whiskey this 867 01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:02,480 Speaker 2: story must base the court wops of Vice Queen Shirley 868 01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:08,560 Speaker 2: Margaret Briffman. In the next episode of The Gangster's Ghost. 869 01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,000 Speaker 20: Well, obviously the rig Mornison tagging, but she was laying 870 01:04:14,120 --> 01:04:19,160 Speaker 20: back on pillows and Jahan was frozen like this, up 871 01:04:19,200 --> 01:04:22,080 Speaker 20: in the air, and she was in that position. 872 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,720 Speaker 1: The Gangster's Ghost is a production of The Australian. It's 873 01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,240 Speaker 1: written and presented by Senior writer Matthew Condon and produced 874 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:43,440 Speaker 1: and edited by multimedia editor Leat samaglu Our. Executive producer 875 01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:48,040 Speaker 1: is Me, Editorial director Claire Harvey. 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