Speaker 1: Predo Quedlin live from New twenty four.
Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the show. Now, of course we
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Speaker 2: He's what's coming up tonight on Predline. A massive day
Speaker 2: today in Victorian politics. Just sent to Allen's leadership looking terminal,
Speaker 2: but it appears she wants a bloody battle and digging
Speaker 2: in plenty to get you across tonight, plus a bad
Speaker 2: news poll for her this afternoon. We'll also speak with
Speaker 2: Liberal leader Jess Wilson. Does it matter who she faces
Speaker 2: in November? The Federal Court rejecting Pauline Hanson's appeal are
Speaker 2: Polly that she racially villified Green Senator Marine Farouki. So good,
Speaker 2: Hanson take this now to the High Court. Her chief
Speaker 2: of staff James Ashby, will join me plus plenty to
Speaker 2: look at from the AOP conference, the wash up over
Speaker 2: the weekend stage managed yes, but on foreign affairs the
Speaker 2: debate was shut down. What's worse, Labor refusing to agree
Speaker 2: that Harmas should disarm and the PM's train wreck interview
Speaker 2: evasive when questions were raised about his high role as
Speaker 2: dinner last week in Sydney.
Speaker 3: I tend lots of dinners in lots of places, and
Speaker 3: I don't talk about private dinners. I've held a number
Speaker 3: this week.
Speaker 2: But first, there's a saying in politics, in any race,
Speaker 2: back the horse self interest, and that's never been truer
Speaker 2: than tonight. Inside Victorian Labor has moves to our premier.
Speaker 2: Just Sinta Allen come to a head with yet more
Speaker 2: polling showing that Labour's in catastrophic trouble when it all
Speaker 2: gets boiled down, and mp fearing they'll lose their seat,
Speaker 2: will always look to dump the leader rather than admit
Speaker 2: they bear any responsibility for their party's poor performance. This
Speaker 2: afternoon's Special News poll lays bare Labour's dilemma. A primary
Speaker 2: voter just twenty eight percent, meaning that on a two
Speaker 2: party preferred basis, the coalitions in front of Labor fifty
Speaker 2: two forty eight. As to who voters won as their premier,
Speaker 2: Liberal leader Jess Wilson's way ahead of Allan fifty one
Speaker 2: percent of those Victorians poles, so that's a majority of
Speaker 2: voters won her over just Into Allan and Allan's well
Speaker 2: behind on.
Speaker 4: Thirty two percent.
Speaker 2: And here's the shocker that makes Justin to Allen the
Speaker 2: most unpopular premier and used pole history. So forget all
Speaker 2: that clap trap from the left about gender and quotas
Speaker 2: Labour's talks cheap. It's not a chromosomes that are killing
Speaker 2: to sin to Allen, but her baggage is Dan Andrews's
Speaker 2: deputy in a gross mismanagement of the big build so
Speaker 2: mid In allegations of union and organized crime corruption, that's
Speaker 2: the problem. Now, let me remind you something. Most in
Speaker 2: the media forget. Allan was never elected premier at the
Speaker 2: last election. Dan Andrews was. That's right, when he'd forgotten this.
Speaker 2: Despite world record lockdowns the last state election in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty two, the Liberals under two time leader Matthew Guy,
Speaker 2: well they actually went backwards. So Dan Andrews survived, only
Speaker 2: to resign a year later, grabbing his big pension before
Speaker 2: heading off to make his money via his mates in Beijing.
Speaker 4: And on the way out, of course.
Speaker 2: He installed his mate, fellow Left faction loyalist, just into Alan.
Speaker 2: So installed, not elected, and just like the unelected Joan
Speaker 2: Kerner before her, will Allan'll make history for all the
Speaker 2: wrong reasons.
Speaker 4: Although yes, unelected.
Speaker 2: By the people liked us into Alan, at least kerner
Speaker 2: faced voters at an election, So please spare me the
Speaker 2: constant by about women from the left. In the end,
Speaker 2: it's competence, performance and merit that matters more than anything else,
Speaker 2: and it's the lack of all three. It's been the
Speaker 2: problem for Allan from day one. Although good luck to
Speaker 2: Ben Carolyn explaining this about face to his daughter after
Speaker 2: using her as some sort of human shield in recent
Speaker 2: weeks when asked if he's still supported just into.
Speaker 5: Alan, I want to serve you, Cinteria Allen, and I
Speaker 5: want to make sure No.
Speaker 6: Look that's my people. I've got a.
Speaker 5: Young daughter at home, and I'm going to be more
Speaker 5: proud to make sure she grows up knowing that I
Speaker 5: supported your Cintera Allen to be a world class premier
Speaker 5: and get re elected in her own role.
Speaker 7: Are you going to try to get the premier's job tomorrow?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 2: Are you going to ask her to step beside?
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 8: Can you look her in the eye so that I.
Speaker 2: Can say that, Premier, it's only been six weeks. It
Speaker 2: has an aged well, has it? Now, what's clear tonight
Speaker 2: is that Alan has lost majority of support amongst her
Speaker 2: labor colleagues. Added to which she's this exclusive tonight of
Speaker 2: the Age website that reads a secret briefing to Premier
Speaker 2: to send to Alan reveals her most senior advisors sought
Speaker 2: to warn her in writing in June twenty twenty three
Speaker 2: that the big bill she was overseeing as minister was
Speaker 2: being taken over by a lawless CFMAU and that this
Speaker 2: could cause major blowouts and bikers and criminals had reportedly
Speaker 2: infiltrated taxpayer funded projects. So, if that's right, Alan, you
Speaker 2: fifteen billions now being wasted and she was warned, So
Speaker 2: she's gone.
Speaker 4: She's gone.
Speaker 2: The real issue now is how bloody does she want
Speaker 2: this order become. Does she resign and hand over cleanly
Speaker 2: tomorrow to Ben Carroll that's clearly what the factions were
Speaker 2: hoping for last night, Or is she made plane in
Speaker 2: a letter today to head office. Does she continue you
Speaker 2: to stay and fight and if she does, or what
Speaker 2: does that look like? Dragging it out over the next
Speaker 2: four weeks, running internal hatreds through the media to end
Speaker 2: up with what we know is already a foregone conclusion
Speaker 2: Alan out Caroline, is that what will happen or will
Speaker 2: party elders get to her and urge some common sense.
Speaker 2: With just four months now between today and the November
Speaker 2: state election, at what point does Alan's determination to fight
Speaker 2: for her job become self indulgent? At what point does
Speaker 2: her active defiance against the numbers make her, politically speaking,
Speaker 2: a suicide bomber for Labour's opponents. That's what she needs
Speaker 2: to weigh up this evening now. When faced with a
Speaker 2: similar decision Julia Gillard, who stole Kevin Rudd's job midway
Speaker 2: through his first term, she fought on now it didn't
Speaker 2: help her, As we know, the caucus went ahead and
Speaker 2: rolled Labour's first female leader, the first female prime minister.
Speaker 2: Or anyway, they reinstalled Rudd just months out from the
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen election, and the same will happen here. Remember
Speaker 2: what I said earlier, I remember that horse called self interest. Well,
Speaker 2: just like in twenty thirteen, I don't think changing the
Speaker 2: leader will make a scrap of difference to the result
Speaker 2: in November. But with these important caveats, if the Labor
Speaker 2: leadership does change, the Liberals have got to hold their nerve. Now,
Speaker 2: I can't tell you the number of times we had
Speaker 2: Liberals in opposition, people like the then Deputy Julie Bishop.
Speaker 2: I mean it completely obsessed about how we were going
Speaker 2: to handle the prospect that Labor might dunk Gillard and
Speaker 2: put Rudd back in Before polling day now, honestly, Bishop
Speaker 2: was almost paralyzed with the thought that we would lose Gillard,
Speaker 2: who at the time, just like Jacinta Allen, was a
Speaker 2: big vote winner for the Coalition, and every time she
Speaker 2: and others raised it, Tony Abbott would say this to them.
Speaker 2: He'd say, look, we've got no control over who we
Speaker 2: face at the election. We only have control over what
Speaker 2: we say and the policies we take to the Australian people.
Speaker 2: And the moment we become so obsessed about our opponent
Speaker 2: that we lose sight of that, that we're god Now
Speaker 2: as it was spot on, he's stuck to his strategy
Speaker 2: and he won in a landslide, even with Kevin Rud's return.
Speaker 2: So that's my message tonight to liberals. Not one of
Speaker 2: you has a vote in the Labor caucus. None of
Speaker 2: you can influence what Labor will do. The only thing
Speaker 2: you can control now is how you react to it,
Speaker 2: and in that respect, this is where you must stick
Speaker 2: to your strategy in the end. In the end, it
Speaker 2: doesn't matter who captains the labourship. That ship's sinking, and
Speaker 2: it's your job to ensure that the ship ends up
Speaker 2: at the bottom of Port Phillip Bay.
Speaker 4: The real risk for liberals.
Speaker 2: Is that media on the internal machinations of labor take
Speaker 2: away airtime that they weren't focused on the solutions they
Speaker 2: have to fix the broken state of Victoria. So as
Speaker 2: distracting as all of this might be, and there's a
Speaker 2: real risk that some liberal front benches will see the
Speaker 2: mess inside labor is a bit of an excuse to
Speaker 2: get lazy in terms of their own work ethic over
Speaker 2: the next few months. What's happening right now with the
Speaker 2: labor leadership should in fact spur them on to go
Speaker 2: even harder, because I come from the school of politics
Speaker 2: where if you've got your foot on the throat of
Speaker 2: your opponent, you keep it there, You keep your foot
Speaker 2: on their neck until the better end. So as the
Speaker 2: phones run hot in Victorian labor tonight, watch this space.
Speaker 2: Plenty of headlines will go there now to Canberra and
Speaker 2: get them. Political reporter Riven Spargo.
Speaker 10: Good Evening. Pauline Hansen has lost her appeal against the
Speaker 10: court ruling which found she racially discriminated against a Green senator.
Speaker 10: The One Nation leader told Green's deputy leader Marine Ferruki
Speaker 10: to go back to where she came from.
Speaker 11: This yesterday is our fight back against the.
Speaker 10: Far right Senator Hanson is flagging a potential High Court appeal.
Speaker 10: The Prime Minister is evading questions about a secretive Sydney dinner.
Speaker 10: Anthony Albernizi seemingly confirmed he attended the family mansion of
Speaker 10: Felix Lee, who the Nine Papers report was offering a
Speaker 10: substantial donation to the Labor Party. Mister Lee's father faces
Speaker 10: allegations of deceiving the ATO to funnel money from China
Speaker 10: into Australia.
Speaker 3: Oh look, I attend lots of functions. I attend lots
Speaker 3: of functions in lots of places.
Speaker 4: What about the sinner at point part.
Speaker 3: I attend lots of functions. You want to ask that
Speaker 3: One Nation leader.
Speaker 10: Pauline Hansen claims if Labor didn't have double standards, they
Speaker 10: wouldn't have any A Liberal MP is likening the ALP's
Speaker 10: national conference with something out of North Korea Unions, rank
Speaker 10: and file members, MPs and factional powerbrokers gathered in Adelaide.
Speaker 7: It's a political conference that would have done Kim Jong
Speaker 7: un proud. Clearly, no one was allowed to descent at all,
Speaker 7: and we know that's the motors of Brandi tata.
Speaker 10: Is He the Prime Minister, claims it was the most
Speaker 10: transparent political conference in Australia and Labor is unified.
Speaker 4: All right.
Speaker 2: Before I bring in my panel and other things, I
Speaker 2: want to go back to that massive day today in
Speaker 2: Victorian politics. It'll be a long night tonight for the
Speaker 2: Labor MPs, the factional bosses of course, hitting the phones.
Speaker 2: Joining me now for the latest at Victorian and political
Speaker 2: reporter in the hot seat, Georgie Dickinson. Well news twenty
Speaker 2: four We haven't even been going twenty four hours yet, Georgie,
Speaker 2: but we were first with the news. We've run it
Speaker 2: hard all day. The speculation's been there for weeks, of
Speaker 2: course it is.
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 2: When it started to move earlier this morning, it moved fast,
Speaker 2: didn't it.
Speaker 11: It certainly picked up pace very quickly. Good evening to you, Peter.
Speaker 12: It was before a cabinet meeting that was scheduled to
Speaker 12: start at eleven o'clock that members of the premier's ministry
Speaker 12: had visited her, including the Police Minister as well as
Speaker 12: her Infrastructure Minister, Gabrielle Williams. At this meeting, before the
Speaker 12: cabinet meeting had even started, they had asked the Premier
Speaker 12: to resign, to step aside and make way for the
Speaker 12: Deputy Premier Ben Carroll. She clearly refused to do so.
Speaker 12: She in turn actually asked those ministers visiting her to
Speaker 12: resign themselves, which clearly.
Speaker 11: They weren't going to do now.
Speaker 12: Of course, as you played earlier, that snippet from the
Speaker 12: deputy Premier Ben Carroll just six weeks ago saying that
Speaker 12: he wasn't coming for the top job.
Speaker 11: Today a completely different story.
Speaker 12: He released this statement online and he had said that
Speaker 12: it is clear that the Premier had lost the majority
Speaker 12: of her caucus, and he had said in that statement
Speaker 12: that he'd.
Speaker 11: Gone to the Premier to inform her.
Speaker 12: That he would be nominating for the leadership of the
Speaker 12: Labor Party. So certainly an extremely different tune to see
Speaker 12: weeks ago. And of course we've seen the Premier saying
Speaker 12: that she will contest the leadership if it comes to that.
Speaker 12: But of course, Peter, that'll all happen at that party
Speaker 12: room meeting at ten o'clock tomorrow morning.
Speaker 2: Okay, Parliament is sitting. If she's adamant that she won't
Speaker 2: go take us through what happens, then Georgie, well, clearly.
Speaker 12: They have the numbers for a successful leadership spill, So
Speaker 12: there's a few different scenarios that can play out. So
Speaker 12: that is the most likely that there will be a
Speaker 12: successful leadership spill. Then Ben Carroll will likely and will
Speaker 12: nominate for the leadership. But of course then the real
Speaker 12: question is if Jacinta Allen will stand by her word
Speaker 12: and that statement that she'd sent to the State Secretary
Speaker 12: that she would contest the leadership. If that is the case,
Speaker 12: that is really turmoil for the Labor Party.
Speaker 11: Then it could be a two month long process.
Speaker 12: Of course, we're only just over four months out from
Speaker 12: the state election, so the focus really.
Speaker 11: Needs to remain on the election ahead.
Speaker 12: So that will be the real sticking point whether she
Speaker 12: stands by her word tomorrow morning, and that will all
Speaker 12: be decided at ten o'clock when the party room meets.
Speaker 4: Now this is a.
Speaker 2: Question without notice, Georgie and you might need to take
Speaker 2: it away and find out for me. But what a
Speaker 2: caucus room decides is that is the rules for a
Speaker 2: leadership ballot. They can also change, just like the Liberal
Speaker 2: Party can. So when they decided when they moved away
Speaker 2: from a caucus only elected leader and moved into a
Speaker 2: scenario where it's a mixture of caucus and rank and file,
Speaker 2: well there's nothing to stop the caucus tomorrow moving a
Speaker 2: motion to rescind that and have it just a decision
Speaker 2: only of the caucus.
Speaker 4: Do you know if that's on the table.
Speaker 11: We haven't heard about that yet, Peter.
Speaker 12: I suppose the real message that the Labor Party tonight
Speaker 12: would be wanting to have is that they don't even
Speaker 12: have to get to that stage. They want, obviously just
Speaker 12: into Alan to resign before it gets to that stage
Speaker 12: and gets even messier than the situation currently already is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, someone's got to knock on the door and say, love,
Speaker 2: it's not about you, it's no longer about you. You
Speaker 2: have to go. It's about the party. But we'll see
Speaker 2: what happens overnight. Thank you, Georgie, go and rest up.
Speaker 2: You'll be busy again tomorrow. I suspect let's bring in
Speaker 2: my panel on our News twenty four host Jamie Rodgers
Speaker 2: and national affairs editor of a Daily Telegraph, also part
Speaker 2: of the stable of News twenty four too, James Morrow,
Speaker 2: let's start with Victorian leadership. I have to play these
Speaker 2: comments from just six weeks ago again by the aspirant
Speaker 2: Ben Carroll.
Speaker 5: I want to serve your Cintia Rallan, and I want
Speaker 5: to make sure No.
Speaker 6: Look that's my people.
Speaker 5: I've got a young daughter at home and I'm going
Speaker 5: to be more proud to make sure she grows up
Speaker 5: knowing that I supported your Cinta Allen to be a
Speaker 5: world class premier and get re elected in her own role.
Speaker 7: Are you going to try to beat the premier's job tomorrow?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: Are you going to ask you to step aside?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 8: Can you look her in the eye?
Speaker 4: So look, say that Premier, Jamie, Javi Jamie.
Speaker 2: For all they talk about women, I tell you Labor
Speaker 2: have all got a gold medal for the way they
Speaker 2: roll their female leaders. So let's not take any any
Speaker 2: advice from Labor when it comes to women in politics.
Speaker 2: But what's interesting here, how does Ben Carroll explain that
Speaker 2: one away not just to his daughter, but to Victorians.
Speaker 13: That's a very good point, Peter, because that interview certainly
Speaker 13: hasn't aged well and it's going to be perfect material
Speaker 13: for the Liberals to be rolling out constantly if he
Speaker 13: is elected as the next Labor leader and premier of
Speaker 13: the Victorian state leading into the election November, because it
Speaker 13: shows that he looked Justinter Allen in the eye and
Speaker 13: said that he wasn't going to contest the leadership, and
Speaker 13: then six weeks later, here we are. But he also
Speaker 13: used his daughter almost as a little bit of a
Speaker 13: political win there to say, I want to be able
Speaker 13: to tell her that I backed just Cinter Allen and
Speaker 13: now he's contesting the leadership. But it's going to be
Speaker 13: interesting the response to Ben Carroll though, Peter, because he
Speaker 13: has stood side by side with Justinter Allen as the
Speaker 13: crime has been escalating, has the debt has been continuing
Speaker 13: to grow, so he effectively is still tarnished by the
Speaker 13: same brush as what Justintera.
Speaker 11: Allen has been. It's going to be very interesting to.
Speaker 13: Watch, and I am amazed that Justinta Allen is holding on.
Speaker 13: She's certainly not doing what's best for her party. But
Speaker 13: I really hope this is a big positive for the
Speaker 13: Liberals going into November.
Speaker 4: I will give him points.
Speaker 2: So I'll give him credit, Jamie, because after Daniel Andrews
Speaker 2: resigned and Alan was installed by the numbers that were
Speaker 2: orchestrated actually by Daniel Andrews. As he walked out the door,
Speaker 2: Carol was told not to run his deputy, but he
Speaker 2: sort of said stuff you to Andrews and to the
Speaker 2: left faction, and he.
Speaker 4: Ran and was successful. So he's got a bit of spine.
Speaker 2: But I think, like the Prime minister, he's got a
Speaker 2: real labor trust deficit now doesn't he?
Speaker 11: Well he does.
Speaker 13: And to my point before, this is why the Liberals
Speaker 13: can really jump on this and continue to play that
Speaker 13: vision over and over again where he looked just Inter
Speaker 13: Allen in the eye and said he wasn't going to
Speaker 13: do that if he had any form of political ambition.
Speaker 13: Politicians are brilliant, Peter not being able to answer a question,
Speaker 13: so he should have been bouncing around and not done that,
Speaker 13: because this is the sort of stuff that doesn't age
Speaker 13: well and we'll come back to bite him. As I said,
Speaker 13: this is brilliant material for the Liberals to be using.
Speaker 13: Labor would be using it if it was the other
Speaker 13: way around. So the Liberals need to get out with
Speaker 13: their advertising campaign. It should be out as soon as
Speaker 13: he is announced as a leader. That needs to be rolling.
Speaker 2: They put some stuff out today about deceit and labor
Speaker 2: being focused on itself and not by voters. And I'll
Speaker 2: give them credit there to James and I made the point,
Speaker 2: and I hope, I hope liberals are listening tonight.
Speaker 4: There was this whole.
Speaker 2: Internal kerfuffle in twenty thirteen as we headed into that election.
Speaker 2: You know what happens if they put Kevin run back in.
Speaker 2: Julia Gillard is our great gift in a polling sense.
Speaker 2: Without Gillard, he's going to struggle to win. And Tony
Speaker 2: said to all the nervous now, chief among them, as
Speaker 2: I see, was Julie Bane, don't least focus, stick to
Speaker 2: the strategy, don't drop your bundle.
Speaker 4: And of course hey did.
Speaker 2: The Libs did, and they wanted a landslide. That's what's
Speaker 2: going to happen here.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, Peter, that is what has to happen here.
Speaker 1: And my information is that in fact, the campaign has
Speaker 1: war gained out the whole idea that this would happen,
Speaker 1: that there would be a change of leadership. I don't
Speaker 1: think they would have gone into this campaign necessarily expecting
Speaker 1: that just Sinda Allen was going to be the candidate
Speaker 1: that they wound up standing against at the end of
Speaker 1: November later this year. The message is still the same,
Speaker 1: and what we're seeing now, we're going to start to
Speaker 1: see tongues of now for as long as this leadership
Speaker 1: fight goes on. And this is where the real advantage
Speaker 1: is for the Coalition is that this internal fight between
Speaker 1: the two it's already getting so ugly. We've seen leaks
Speaker 1: in the Age this afternoon about how the premiere was
Speaker 1: told back in twenty twenty three and a highly confident
Speaker 1: briefing that the CFMU was getting involved corruptly into all
Speaker 1: sorts of big build projects and that you know that
Speaker 1: there was a lot of concerns about money going out
Speaker 1: the door and corruption. And she's now saying, oh, I
Speaker 1: didn't know about that briefing, So you know, clearly already
Speaker 1: the knives are out. It's the longer this goes on,
Speaker 1: the more both parties in this get completely muddied, and
Speaker 1: obviously the better it is for the Liberals.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all credit there too to the Age. They've got
Speaker 2: that story up. I'd had it rumored to me from
Speaker 2: legal circles that there is the existence of these emails.
Speaker 2: It's written material about the warning about corruption and the
Speaker 2: big build, but they've clearly stood it up to get
Speaker 2: it out there on the front pages this afternoon. The
Speaker 2: ALP conference it wrapped up on the weekend, you know,
Speaker 2: a highly staged, managed, great big kumbaia. Everybody agreed on
Speaker 2: everything until it got to the issue of Israel and Palestine.
Speaker 2: But what I found, frankly soul destroying was this this
Speaker 2: inability of labor to demand that when they discuss Israel
Speaker 2: and Palestine that Hamas must disarm and the Palestinian authority
Speaker 2: must reform before any money goes into Gaza from Australian taxpayers.
Speaker 2: Well we know Jamie Penny Wong is pouring the millions
Speaker 2: back into Gaza, and she's got all of those ministers
Speaker 2: and the Prime Minister over the weekend, all of them
Speaker 2: going to ground, refusing to answer any of the questions
Speaker 2: that we've all had about these thirteen Australian men connected
Speaker 2: to ISIS in prison in Iraq that they have kept secret.
Speaker 2: I mean, they are treating voters like idiots.
Speaker 13: Here they absolutely are Peter, the doctor g Hard and
Speaker 13: the room with thirteen other Isis men over in Iraq.
Speaker 13: It is certainly concerning because the Labor government has a
Speaker 13: history here as we saw with the Isis brides.
Speaker 11: And their children.
Speaker 13: And I know we don't like using the term brides,
Speaker 13: but that's what they They've been in the headlines. But
Speaker 13: they came back even though they kept telling Australians that, oh,
Speaker 13: we're not assisting them. But let's be real here. And
Speaker 13: I think to your comment before, Peter, when we look
Speaker 13: at the national conference and the wording around her Mass
Speaker 13: and the Palestinian authority, the thing that I found really
Speaker 13: disappointing is when you are dealing with a terrorist organization,
Speaker 13: you don't weaken the language around it. If anything, we
Speaker 13: should be strengthening it and not rewarding her Mass for
Speaker 13: horrific behavior and atrocities of what they did on October
Speaker 13: seven and what else that came out of that with
Speaker 13: Richard Miles, who himself had reportedly said to the right
Speaker 13: faction of the Labor Party that the language wasn't right here,
Speaker 13: but he said to his side, let's still just vote
Speaker 13: on it to ensure that we have unity and I
Speaker 13: read that and I thought, there's the Labor Party that
Speaker 13: yet again they're going to put unity amongst themselves ahead
Speaker 13: of Australians and what's best for the country. And that's
Speaker 13: this continuum behavior and pattern that we see from this
Speaker 13: government where they put their own interests ahead of the
Speaker 13: rest of the nation.
Speaker 2: Well, look, let's not forget to the Richard Mirles, a
Speaker 2: so called leader of the Rite, is a surrender monkey.
Speaker 4: He's the Defense Minister.
Speaker 2: And if that's his attitude, if you know, he's more
Speaker 2: Chamberlain than Churchill, if he's into appeasement, he should resign
Speaker 2: that post to put someone in there who cares about
Speaker 2: holding a line and going to fight if necessary. James
Speaker 2: not on the isis of the trying to Berry. Of course,
Speaker 2: what about this exchange over that secret dinner last week
Speaker 2: between the PM and the son of the Chinese billionaire.
Speaker 2: We know that the father is facing allegations that he
Speaker 2: deceived the Australian Tax Office about his business affairs. The
Speaker 2: dad is a Philip Dongfang Lee. Now the PM, listen
Speaker 2: to the way he dodges scrutiny here with David pitt Spears.
Speaker 10: Did you attend a dinner at the home of Felix
Speaker 10: Lee in Point Piper.
Speaker 3: I attend lots of functions. I attend lots of functions
Speaker 3: in lots of places, including last night right here.
Speaker 6: What about a dinner in Point Pipe?
Speaker 3: I attend lots of functions.
Speaker 11: And you want to ask.
Speaker 4: Decepted tricky?
Speaker 2: I mean, this is becoming, this is really becoming his
Speaker 2: political persona adam in in the night. Later's got to
Speaker 2: payback every single dollar in the the you know, acclaimed
Speaker 2: one million donations they got from this dinner.
Speaker 1: Surely well yeah, Peter, I mean, you know, Albanezi certainly
Speaker 1: loves a bit of hospitality, doesn't he. You know, this
Speaker 1: is a really bizarre one because yeah, okay, you're a politician.
Speaker 1: You go to a lot of dinners, you would know, Peter.
Speaker 1: You know, there's a lot of rubber chicken functions and
Speaker 1: you know, different sort of galla bank. What's he got
Speaker 1: to go to? Most of those dinners are not coming
Speaker 1: with a million dollar check attached. That we've been reportedly
Speaker 1: a million dollars at the multi tens of millions of
Speaker 1: dollars Point Piper mansion. That, by the way, apparently the
Speaker 1: Ato has some sort of caveat over. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: beyond anything else who's doing the advancing for the prime minister,
Speaker 1: that this sort of food is allowed to occur, and
Speaker 1: then to be tricky about it. Well, you know we've
Speaker 1: all spoken about the hypocrisy around the way labor carries
Speaker 1: on about Oh, Gina rein Hart game I played na
Speaker 1: Pauline Hanson. Well, you know, I'm sorry that was all.
Speaker 1: You know, Pauline Hanson never said, well, I may have
Speaker 1: a plane, but I don't know where it came from.
Speaker 1: But you know I get lots of planes, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean she came out and said it. Anthony Albanezi there,
Speaker 1: he won't even say confirmed that he was at the dinner.
Speaker 1: The whole thing stinks. It looks really really bad. And
Speaker 1: you know, this is supposed to be the Party of
Speaker 1: the people, the Party of the workingman.
Speaker 6: Peter, I, what a joke.
Speaker 2: Your point about advancing spot on, you know, because Albanzy
Speaker 2: has more people in his staff on his staff in
Speaker 2: his office than any prime minister in Australian history, and
Speaker 2: what not. One of them could dig into the back
Speaker 2: room of this young bloke and wonder why twenty five
Speaker 2: year old's got a multimillion dollar mansion and wants to
Speaker 2: sling you a million dollars be asking questions on that
Speaker 2: basis a line. Look, all of this makes me think
Speaker 2: he doesn't care about the next election, because I think
Speaker 2: he'll be long gone fingers crossed.
Speaker 4: I'm right, but we'll see. Thank you to you both.
Speaker 4: Now you go first.
Speaker 2: Night on News twenty four to a great panel like that,
Speaker 2: or right, we'll go to a break, but we'll come
Speaker 2: back because I want to look at this dire holding
Speaker 2: for Labor out of newspol of Southternoon, very bad for
Speaker 2: the premier, or she might be the premiere only for
Speaker 2: twenty four hours.
Speaker 4: We'll see. We'll get to that in the moment.
Speaker 2: Welco about coming out Victorian and Opposition leader Jess Wilson
Speaker 2: as she's spooked by the thought of facing off against
Speaker 2: Ben Carroll and her new energy policy. Have we finally
Speaker 2: dumped fossil fuel objections inside the Victorian Liberals?
Speaker 4: But first if it wasn't already bad enough for just
Speaker 4: Into Allen.
Speaker 2: New polling has dropped the Southternoon in the Australia, showing
Speaker 2: just how untenable her position as leader is. Labour's primary
Speaker 2: votes now at a very low twenty eight percent. The
Speaker 2: Coalition well ahead on a primary thirty one percent, one
Speaker 2: nation rounding out the pack on nineteen. But it's worth
Speaker 2: remembering the coalition's got a big margin to win government
Speaker 2: in its own right, it needs sixteen seats, something like
Speaker 2: a seven to eight percent swing. But what's most damaging
Speaker 2: here for Allen is the fact that only thirty two
Speaker 2: percent of voters favor her as premier. Jess Wilson's got
Speaker 2: a massive fifty one percent, so a statewide majority, and
Speaker 2: I'm whopping seventy one percent of Victorian voters so that
Speaker 2: they are dissatisfied with just into Allan. Now that's a
Speaker 2: record in Newspoll terms, making Allen the most unpopular premier
Speaker 2: in Australian political history. Jointed to me now to discuss
Speaker 2: all of this, Victorian political editor at The Australian, Anthony Galloway, Well,
Speaker 2: good news for us. In a Sans Anthony, we rebrand
Speaker 2: here at News twenty four Lorin the first night we're
Speaker 2: on air, we get confirmation that there will be a
Speaker 2: spill on the Victorian premier. That's what we're heading for.
Speaker 2: We'll go through those numbers in a moment. But what's
Speaker 2: the latest you're hearing tonight.
Speaker 7: Yeah, your first night on air is one of the
Speaker 7: craziest days I've seen in Australian politics, where you've got
Speaker 7: a wide cross section of MPs and ministers. So you
Speaker 7: had two ministers from the left, Ingrid Skit and Gabrielle Williams,
Speaker 7: and two ministers from the right, Colin Brooks and Anthony Carbines,
Speaker 7: go to Premier Justinter Allen this morning and urge her
Speaker 7: to resign, informing her that she no longer has the
Speaker 7: support of the Labor Caucus, to Cinter aling just CenTra
Speaker 7: Allen refusing to resign, and then sending a letter to
Speaker 7: the Labor Parties organizational wing saying prepare for a six
Speaker 7: week leadership campaign, you know, four months out from the election.
Speaker 7: Under Labour Party rules, if the leadership is contested, there
Speaker 7: has to be this campaign where both the membership and
Speaker 7: the caucus get the vote. Shortly after she did that,
Speaker 7: Ben Carroll, the Deputy Premier, informed her that.
Speaker 4: He is challenging.
Speaker 7: So as it stands, where heading to a caucus meeting
Speaker 7: tomorrow at ten am where there will be a spill.
Speaker 7: But Jacintarellen, as it stands tonight is saying, even if
Speaker 7: she loses that spill, which I understand she will overwhelmingly,
Speaker 7: she's going to contest the leadership again against against Ben Carroll.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I had a quick question to Georgie on this a
Speaker 2: little earlier. The rules at play about the Labor leadership
Speaker 2: in Victoria were determined by the caucus. So, just like federally,
Speaker 2: I guess the caucus can move emotion and change their
Speaker 2: rules about how you change the leader.
Speaker 4: Surely they could do that tomorrow.
Speaker 2: You know, they could do an indicative show of hands,
Speaker 2: spill the leadership, and then take another vote, presumably to
Speaker 2: say this will now be the one and only final decision.
Speaker 2: Given the proximity to the election, we will not go
Speaker 2: out to party red and file.
Speaker 4: Is that possible.
Speaker 7: It's absolutely possible, Peter, just as you mentioned, just as
Speaker 7: it is federally. So these rules are made by the caucus.
Speaker 7: They can be taken away.
Speaker 6: By the caucus.
Speaker 7: I tend to think, justsinter Allen, is you know a
Speaker 7: creature of the Labor Party that this is all of
Speaker 7: an idle threat, and many people believe that is that,
Speaker 7: you know, once a leader loses a spill, it's very
Speaker 7: rare that they can test the election. I think the
Speaker 7: only one I can think of in recent history was
Speaker 7: probably Malcolm Turnbull in two thousand and nine. I think
Speaker 7: it was when he was opposition leader and actually keeps
Speaker 7: a susue shock after he lost the spills. Yes, yes,
Speaker 7: I can't actually think of another example where a leader
Speaker 7: recently has lost a spill and then goes on to
Speaker 7: contest a leadership ballot. So I think this is all
Speaker 7: of an idle threat seenior figures in Victorian Labor Party tonight.
Speaker 7: I hope it is. They're urging justinter Allen that hey,
Speaker 7: if you lose a bill for the benefit of the
Speaker 7: party to not derail the party less than four months
Speaker 7: out from the November election, you can't force this on
Speaker 7: that you will not contest the leadership. Let's have a
Speaker 7: bloodless kind of, you know, handover of power to Ben Carol,
Speaker 7: given he is the only challenger.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 2: One of the beauties that of having the same mobile
Speaker 2: number I have for about twenty five years is it's
Speaker 2: been well shared amongst the political types and I got
Speaker 2: just as many little bits of information from labor people
Speaker 2: as I did from liberals today, and a lot of
Speaker 2: them are saying that we don't necessarily think that Ben
Speaker 2: Carroll can win the election, but he'll save the furniture.
Speaker 2: It'll be he'll put us in a position we're perhaps
Speaker 2: out for one to only and then we're back and
Speaker 2: we're back in control, and we've learned the lessons of
Speaker 2: a pretty shocking eight years under Andrews. And of course, Allen,
Speaker 2: you've seen the numbers in news poll. What's your assessment.
Speaker 7: I think today's Newsport was extraordinary in the sense of
Speaker 7: it showed that one nation vote down on nineteen percent,
Speaker 7: you know, Coalition on thirty one, labor on twenty eight.
Speaker 7: Unlike any other recent poll it is showing. It is
Speaker 7: showing a two party contest between the major parties in Victoria.
Speaker 7: So perhaps I mean, I'm a bit biased towards newsporpt,
Speaker 7: but perhaps all the other polls had too much federal
Speaker 7: overlay and that it is a different dynamic in Victoria.
Speaker 11: The poll is being used by.
Speaker 7: Ben Carroll supporters and supporters of a change to argue, hey,
Speaker 7: there is this pathway to victory. It's just cinter Allen,
Speaker 7: that's been the drag on the vote. You know, seventy
Speaker 7: one percent dissatisfied. You mentioned that's a record in news
Speaker 7: poll history which goes all the way back to Jobiaki
Speaker 7: Pedson's dying days. So they're arguing there is a pathway
Speaker 7: that but we need to change the leader just center
Speaker 7: Allen is the key block to that pathway.
Speaker 4: Right, you're down at Parliament House. I let you go
Speaker 4: back to it.
Speaker 2: I know it's going to be a long night for you,
Speaker 2: as it is for everybody else. Thank you, Anthony Gallaway,
Speaker 2: Anthony of course, the editor there at The Australian for
Speaker 2: Victorian Politics. After the break, this leadership termil with Labor, Well,
Speaker 2: what does it mean for the Liberals? Opposition leader Jess
Speaker 2: Wilson joins me.
Speaker 4: Next, welcome back.
Speaker 2: Coming up, how Paul and Hands had responded to that
Speaker 2: loss in the Federal Court today to Green's Senator Maureen
Speaker 2: Marine Ferouki, Now, this was not a deformation action. This
Speaker 2: related to provisions and the very contentious Racial Discrimination Act.
Speaker 2: We'll talk to James ash you about that in a moment.
Speaker 2: Now back to Victorian Victorian politics, the state elections just
Speaker 2: four months away, and if the leadership changes inside Labor, well,
Speaker 2: what does that mean for the Liberal opposition who've been
Speaker 2: busy building its case, says the state's alternative government, the
Speaker 2: woman in the hot seat.
Speaker 4: I was a leader.
Speaker 2: Jess Wilson joins me now from state Parliament. Okay, Jess,
Speaker 2: what's your reaction to the turbulence of today? Does it
Speaker 2: matter who you face in November?
Speaker 9: Good to be with you, Peter.
Speaker 11: It doesn't.
Speaker 9: It doesn't matter who the leader of the Labor Party
Speaker 9: is because it is the same corrupt government, the same
Speaker 9: record levels of crime, the same crippling debt, the cost
Speaker 9: of living crisis, the same potholes, whether it's just.
Speaker 11: Into Allen or Ben Carroll.
Speaker 9: Victorians don't need another unelected Labor premier. They need a
Speaker 9: fresh start, a new government, and a government that has
Speaker 9: a plan to deliver for Victorians. And that's exactly what
Speaker 9: me and my team have. We have a plan to
Speaker 9: fix Victoria and to ensure we give it the fresh
Speaker 9: start it deserves.
Speaker 2: I'll get to your plan in a moment, because there's
Speaker 2: something very interesting that you're doing on energy, and I
Speaker 2: know where Victoria's are focused on cost of living. I
Speaker 2: have to get your reaction though, of a story that's
Speaker 2: broken this afternoon, our front page of the Age that
Speaker 2: suggests the premier zone senior advisors tried to warn her
Speaker 2: in writing in twenty twenty three that the big build
Speaker 2: and she was running it, she was the minister at
Speaker 2: the time, was being taken over by bi Kids and
Speaker 2: the CFMAU.
Speaker 4: So this is where the fifteen billion.
Speaker 2: Dollars of wasted taxpayer money comes from. And of course,
Speaker 2: if the reports are right tonight, she knew.
Speaker 9: Well, she knew far earlier than what she has claimed
Speaker 9: to have known.
Speaker 6: As well.
Speaker 9: She's always claimed that she first became aware of these
Speaker 9: allegations of corrupt behavior of criminality on government big bild
Speaker 9: sites after the Age broke down story in twenty twenty four.
Speaker 9: For what, these new revelations show that she knew far
Speaker 9: earlier than that, Peter, This is a premier who has
Speaker 9: been complicit in the largest corruption scandal in this state's history.
Speaker 11: And as you.
Speaker 9: Said, fifteen billion dollars at a minimum of Victorian taxpayer
Speaker 9: money has gone from government work sites into the pockets
Speaker 9: of criminals, and Jacinta Allen has refused to take any
Speaker 9: responsibility or any action to ensure it never happens again.
Speaker 9: Only a liberal and National's government will call a royal
Speaker 9: commission into the largest corruption scandal in this state's history,
Speaker 9: to ensure that we stamp out that corruption. We track
Speaker 9: down every single cent and we ensure it never happens again.
Speaker 2: Talk to me about the no confidence motion you're set
Speaker 2: to table tomorrow in the Chamber. Any chance that will
Speaker 2: get up and we can have an early election in Victoria,
Speaker 2: because we're basically in a campaign as it stands, and
Speaker 2: Victorian voters are desperate to have their say.
Speaker 9: Well, they are desperate, and I think Victorians would love
Speaker 9: the opportunity to bring the election forward. We're moving a
Speaker 9: motion of no confidence in the Labor government tomorrow because
Speaker 9: this government, it is morally bankrupt. It no longer has
Speaker 9: the right to govern.
Speaker 11: On behalf of Victorians.
Speaker 9: Whether it's the fifteen billion dollars of corruption, the record
Speaker 9: levels of crime, Victorians who don't feel safe in their homes,
Speaker 9: in their streets, the crippling debt, the waste at the
Speaker 9: moment we've got the Commonwealth Games underwigh in Glasgow at
Speaker 9: the cost of the Victorian taxpayer, or the fact that
Speaker 9: our roads are littered with potholes. This government has lost
Speaker 9: the right to govern on behalf of Victorians and tomorrow
Speaker 9: in the Parliament, we will move a motion of no
Speaker 9: confidence in the government. Now, Peter, when we move this motion,
Speaker 9: we understood that we probably didn't have the numbers in
Speaker 9: the House to see it be successful. But tomorrow morning
Speaker 9: I expect we'll see many Labor MPs go into their
Speaker 9: caucus room and vote against the premier and say they
Speaker 9: have no confidence in the Premiere, and then come into
Speaker 9: the Parliament later that afternoon and vote the opposite direction,
Speaker 9: which just shows how dishonest these MPs are and how
Speaker 9: these MPs are not ensuring that we do have a
Speaker 9: fresh start and a true government that is going to
Speaker 9: deliver for Victorians.
Speaker 2: You know, the premier has been highly stage managed ever
Speaker 2: since her poles hit those rock bottom lows. I know
Speaker 2: you've just gone all around the state all eighty eight electorates.
Speaker 4: You've been out there.
Speaker 2: I know you haven't been staged managed to have seen
Speaker 2: some of the stuff on social media. So when you're
Speaker 2: out amongst real people, are they talking about all this
Speaker 2: sort of you know, internal entrails of Spring Sheet Spring Street.
Speaker 2: If they're not, what are they telling you, Jess.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 9: So I spent the past thirty six days visiting every
Speaker 9: part of Victoria, all of the eighty eight electorates, and
Speaker 9: the purpose of this, Peter was to get out and
Speaker 9: meet Victorians where they are, in their homes, in their businesses,
Speaker 9: on their high streets, actually understand the issues that are
Speaker 9: affecting them, but also to share our plan and our
Speaker 9: solutions to fix Victoria and what they're experiencing, particularly in
Speaker 9: regional Victoria, are the fact that our roads are simply unsafe.
Speaker 9: We've got potholes craters on our highways and roads, which
Speaker 9: is not only a safety issue, but it's costing victorians
Speaker 9: as well. Every time they bust a tire or bust
Speaker 9: a rim, it's costing them thousands of dollars.
Speaker 11: But there is one number on the.
Speaker 9: Lips of Victorians, and that's fifteen billion dollars.
Speaker 11: This is cut through, Peter.
Speaker 9: People are so angry that they've seen this fifteen billion
Speaker 9: dollars taxpayer money go into the pockets of criminals at
Speaker 9: the expense of our hospitals, our schools, lower taxes in
Speaker 9: this state.
Speaker 11: And so I've been.
Speaker 9: Out on the ground sharing our plans to not only
Speaker 9: fix our roads, our five billion dollar investment to fix
Speaker 9: and repair our roads eliminating one million potholes, but also
Speaker 9: to make sure that we reduce crime, that we lower costs,
Speaker 9: and we lower taxes. We have the solutions to fix Victoria.
Speaker 9: We cannot do it overnight. It is going to take time.
Speaker 9: But my team. My team has the plan, We have
Speaker 9: the solutions, and we can work with Victorians to give
Speaker 9: Victoria the fresh start it needs.
Speaker 4: Okay, before we go, you're holding up the plan there.
Speaker 2: I have been critical of liberal oppositions in Victoria in
Speaker 2: the past that have treated fossil fuels, particularly gas.
Speaker 4: Like it's kryptonite.
Speaker 2: You've got a plan out there that says you want
Speaker 2: more secure energy, and you want that energy to be
Speaker 2: affordable and reliable. Okay, give it to me straight. What
Speaker 2: does that mean in practice, jess.
Speaker 9: What it means is that gas is absolutely critical to
Speaker 9: our energy needs here in Victoria, but also to Victoria's
Speaker 9: economic future. If we're going to have successful businesses and
Speaker 9: thriving industry here in Victoria, we desperately need more gas.
Speaker 9: So over recent weeks, we've announced that we intend to
Speaker 9: throw the door open to gas exploration in this state.
Speaker 9: But just yesterday I announced that if we're elected in
Speaker 9: November and I'm Victoria's next premiere. We will put in
Speaker 9: place in energy security requirement. This will ensure that we
Speaker 9: fill the looming shortfalls with the closure of your lawn
Speaker 9: and other power stations in coming years, and we look
Speaker 9: to fill that gap through contracting more gas for the state,
Speaker 9: potentially more batteries, but certainly more gas to ensure that
Speaker 9: we fix those short those short falls and we bring
Speaker 9: down energy prices for both households and businesses.
Speaker 2: Were not commence to be on the batteries, Jess. I'll
Speaker 2: leave that there, but Ela Lunyah on the gas. Thank
Speaker 2: you for joining me tonight. I know you're busy at
Speaker 2: Spring Street as well. Thank you very much. All right,
Speaker 2: coming up, the response from One Nation after Paulin Hanson's
Speaker 2: bid to overturn a racial discrimination ruling. We're thrown out
Speaker 2: of court today. Past the rogue political campaign disguised as admit.
Speaker 4: Care mail out. This could be duping you. That's next.
Speaker 2: Welcome bad I lost today for Pauline Hansen in her
Speaker 2: bit to overturn that landmark ruling that she'd racially villifi
Speaker 2: Green Senator Marine Faruki when she told her political rival,
Speaker 2: excuse my language here to piss off back to Pakistan.
Speaker 2: So what does this mean for the One Nation leader? Well,
Speaker 2: here to discuss this and more form a Liberal MP,
Speaker 2: Nicole Flint and her chief of staff, One Nation Chief
Speaker 2: of Staff James Ashby. Well, James, we're not going to
Speaker 2: get into the legal detail of issue.
Speaker 1: Writer.
Speaker 2: Is she wrong in the court of public opinion, but
Speaker 2: certainly in the eyes of the court and the.
Speaker 4: Racial Discrimination Act. She lost her appeal in the Federal Court.
Speaker 4: All you've got.
Speaker 2: Left now is the High Court. Are you going to
Speaker 2: take it further?
Speaker 14: Well, Peter, I received the phone call today from a
Speaker 14: former Federal Court judge who said the outcome of today's
Speaker 14: decision it was intellectually dishonest and lazy, and so I
Speaker 14: struggle to disagree. We're not happy with the decision. We
Speaker 14: have to respect it as it stands. There were three
Speaker 14: judges that made this decision. They're all unanimous in the
Speaker 14: way in which they handed this decision down.
Speaker 6: But it goes without saying there is grounds there for an.
Speaker 14: Appeal or sorry, not an appeal, but to take this
Speaker 14: now to the High Court. Whether they will accept that, well,
Speaker 14: we'll find out in six months time. But we've got
Speaker 14: a limited amount of time to do it, and again
Speaker 14: it just costs so much money. This is lawfare at
Speaker 14: its worst, and it always comes from the Greens. You're
Speaker 14: finding an increasing number of people just want to use
Speaker 14: our laws against us to shut us up under eighteen C.
Speaker 2: And I will remind people too. Tony Abbitt took it
Speaker 2: to the election, Nicole Fleet. You'll remember this in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 2: that the Coalition would fix eighteen C, that they would
Speaker 2: repair what we all know are rich is with the
Speaker 2: Racial Discrimination Act, and that was what he was elected
Speaker 2: to do. And then when the legislation went to his
Speaker 2: party room, all the wets like Craig Lorning another we've
Speaker 2: just been elected on that promise, refused to back the legislation.
Speaker 2: But this has got to be back on the table
Speaker 2: surely for the Coalition.
Speaker 8: Well, I hope so, Peter, And there is a look,
Speaker 8: there is a fine line here. Obviously, I've been very
Speaker 8: outspoken over the years about the vile abuse that women
Speaker 8: in public life are subjected to. I'm one of those
Speaker 8: women that's had to put up with it. But the
Speaker 8: matter that has just been before the court is on
Speaker 8: such a low end of offense. I am astounded that
Speaker 8: this decision was upheld. Now that's a matter for the courts, obviously,
Speaker 8: and I hope that one nation do keep pursuing it,
Speaker 8: although I hear James, what a horrific waste of money
Speaker 8: to have to throw towards.
Speaker 4: A court case.
Speaker 8: So yes, we do need to see reform. However, we
Speaker 8: also need to do things like protect women, but protect
Speaker 8: our Jewish community. And what infuriates me more than anything
Speaker 8: is that where it are Jewish community, or were it
Speaker 8: a woman like me or any other conservative woman like you, Peter,
Speaker 8: there is no way that we would see this sort
Speaker 8: of decision from judges. Every single time I've ever challenged anything,
Speaker 8: it has been dismissed instantly because we are on the
Speaker 8: wrong side of politics.
Speaker 6: But I also think it's good to understand it's just
Speaker 6: one thing.
Speaker 14: You need to be offended or insulted to end up
Speaker 14: in the same case as Paul and Hanson. And we're
Speaker 14: staring down the barrel now in excess of one point six,
Speaker 14: maybe close to two million dollars with the costs already,
Speaker 14: that's how easy it is insult.
Speaker 2: I will make the point that we're all on the
Speaker 2: right side. We're all on the right side of the
Speaker 2: ordinary common sense Australian person who looks at this and
Speaker 2: shakes their head. I know your boss is fronting Paul
Speaker 2: Murray tomorrow night at nine o'clock. Don't miss that everyone
Speaker 2: at home. But it was almost like she was in
Speaker 2: the room of the Labor conference on the weekend, James,
Speaker 2: I mean it completely spooked by her.
Speaker 4: They even wheeled out their campaign.
Speaker 2: Paul Eric said he never does media, but he was
Speaker 2: out there with my colleague Andrew Klanew Have a listen.
Speaker 15: As the polls show the coalition will not be able
Speaker 15: to govern without One Nation. One Nation would not be
Speaker 15: able to govern without the coalition, So at the next election,
Speaker 15: the choice will be between a Labor government that's delivery
Speaker 15: real change or an alternative of a chaotic and divided
Speaker 15: coalition one nation government.
Speaker 4: Now he does sound robotic. Is someone just sit in
Speaker 4: my ear?
Speaker 6: I agree with that.
Speaker 2: But he's smart, he is shrewd. He's a good strategist.
Speaker 2: But you've got even the rope, sir James.
Speaker 6: Well, that's not what his labor colleagues have said.
Speaker 14: You know, he's worked for previous ministers there in Canberra
Speaker 14: and they've said he's very lazy, He's run two campaigns
Speaker 14: in the past, one Againstcott Morris and won against Peter Dutton.
Speaker 14: Now he's been fortunate enough to win those, but they
Speaker 14: weren't his strategies.
Speaker 6: By the way.
Speaker 14: He likes to use a lot of these third party
Speaker 14: organizations to bring him resil and bring him slogan. So
Speaker 14: you know we can all do that. But is he
Speaker 14: that shrewd? Is he that smart? I think he's desperate
Speaker 14: And the mere fact that he did that interview over
Speaker 14: the weekend with your colleague shows to me we've fleshed
Speaker 14: him out a little bit.
Speaker 6: We know what his lines are going to be.
Speaker 14: As robotic as they were, we now know what they are,
Speaker 14: so we can actually use that to our.
Speaker 6: Advantage moving forward.
Speaker 14: So let's see how good he goes at this next election.
Speaker 14: I don't think there'll be the appetite for Australians to
Speaker 14: vote for this labor lying government.
Speaker 6: We just it's lie after lie.
Speaker 14: I could keep that fire, the lie campaign going for
Speaker 14: the next twelve months and probably raise another fifteen meal.
Speaker 14: At the rate this government's going, they haven't learned the
Speaker 14: lesson stop lying to the Australian people. Instead, they just
Speaker 14: keep the habit up Paul Erickson. You've got a tough
Speaker 14: job ahead of you. And I'll tell you what you
Speaker 14: haven't faced one nation. You're like mongrels towards the coalition.
Speaker 14: You haven't seen how we fight in the trenches. When
Speaker 14: it comes to this next campaign.
Speaker 2: Nick, you and I have got a long history trying
Speaker 2: to stop the call doing something is stupid as putting
Speaker 2: in quotas for female politicians, right, and we get the
Speaker 2: lectures from the left, the quotas being you serious about women? Well,
Speaker 2: Joe and Kerner was installed, Carmen Lawrence was installed, Julia
Speaker 2: Gillard was installed. Of course just into Alan she was installed.
Speaker 2: They look like they might roll her tomorrow. What's the
Speaker 2: point of having a quota if you roll your women anyway?
Speaker 8: Well, I think the point of labor having the quotas
Speaker 8: is that they're not necessarily appointing the best person for
Speaker 8: the job, and that installing women as it is, as
Speaker 8: is often the case, into leadership positions without them having
Speaker 8: won that position through their own work and work ethic
Speaker 8: and also platform is doing for failure. And that's what
Speaker 8: we're about to see again. And I can't wait and go.
Speaker 8: Jess Wilson, bring an interview from her tonight, Peter, Thank
Speaker 8: you to both.
Speaker 4: I leave it there.
Speaker 2: I'm just want to show people something that was sent
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Speaker 2: open it thinking it's something about medicare, it's not. It's
Speaker 2: the comms allowance your money that a senator is using
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Speaker 2: have you noticed by a you backdrop? Look at this
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Speaker 2: defend and honor every night that you watch me. Well
Speaker 2: that's it, USE twenty four. Very happy to be here
Speaker 2: under a new banner. I'll see you tomorrow night. Here's
Speaker 2: Andrew