WEBVTT - Credlin | 27 July 0:00:01.720 --> 0:00:05.240 Predo Quedlin live from New twenty four. 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:10.400 Good evening, Welcome to the show. Now, of course we 0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:13.560 are News twenty four. How about that a new opener 0:00:13.800 --> 0:00:16.319 you backdrop, a show that in the moment, and a 0:00:16.360 --> 0:00:20.760 new network brand. What we do not changing here at all. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:24.319 He's what's coming up tonight on Predline. A massive day 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:27.920 today in Victorian politics. Just sent to Allen's leadership looking terminal, 0:00:28.320 --> 0:00:31.040 but it appears she wants a bloody battle and digging 0:00:31.080 --> 0:00:34.000 in plenty to get you across tonight, plus a bad 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:37.080 news poll for her this afternoon. We'll also speak with 0:00:37.120 --> 0:00:40.120 Liberal leader Jess Wilson. Does it matter who she faces 0:00:40.479 --> 0:00:45.280 in November? The Federal Court rejecting Pauline Hanson's appeal are 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:49.520 Polly that she racially villified Green Senator Marine Farouki. So good, 0:00:49.520 --> 0:00:52.840 Hanson take this now to the High Court. Her chief 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:56.800 of staff James Ashby, will join me plus plenty to 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.319 look at from the AOP conference, the wash up over 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:03.560 the weekend stage managed yes, but on foreign affairs the 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:07.280 debate was shut down. What's worse, Labor refusing to agree 0:01:07.319 --> 0:01:12.160 that Harmas should disarm and the PM's train wreck interview 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:15.520 evasive when questions were raised about his high role as 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:18.280 dinner last week in Sydney. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:23.759 I tend lots of dinners in lots of places, and 0:01:24.240 --> 0:01:27.639 I don't talk about private dinners. I've held a number 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:28.160 this week. 0:01:31.760 --> 0:01:34.280 But first, there's a saying in politics, in any race, 0:01:34.520 --> 0:01:37.959 back the horse self interest, and that's never been truer 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:41.920 than tonight. Inside Victorian Labor has moves to our premier. 0:01:42.080 --> 0:01:44.600 Just Sinta Allen come to a head with yet more 0:01:44.680 --> 0:01:48.640 polling showing that Labour's in catastrophic trouble when it all 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:52.400 gets boiled down, and mp fearing they'll lose their seat, 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.840 will always look to dump the leader rather than admit 0:01:55.880 --> 0:02:00.560 they bear any responsibility for their party's poor performance. This 0:02:00.680 --> 0:02:05.920 afternoon's Special News poll lays bare Labour's dilemma. A primary 0:02:06.000 --> 0:02:09.120 voter just twenty eight percent, meaning that on a two 0:02:09.160 --> 0:02:13.200 party preferred basis, the coalitions in front of Labor fifty 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.760 two forty eight. As to who voters won as their premier, 0:02:18.400 --> 0:02:22.079 Liberal leader Jess Wilson's way ahead of Allan fifty one 0:02:22.120 --> 0:02:25.160 percent of those Victorians poles, so that's a majority of 0:02:25.240 --> 0:02:29.120 voters won her over just Into Allan and Allan's well 0:02:29.120 --> 0:02:29.640 behind on. 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:30.680 Thirty two percent. 0:02:31.160 --> 0:02:34.520 And here's the shocker that makes Justin to Allen the 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:39.600 most unpopular premier and used pole history. So forget all 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.519 that clap trap from the left about gender and quotas 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.760 Labour's talks cheap. It's not a chromosomes that are killing 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:50.000 to sin to Allen, but her baggage is Dan Andrews's 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.480 deputy in a gross mismanagement of the big build so 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:57.240 mid In allegations of union and organized crime corruption, that's 0:02:57.320 --> 0:03:01.400 the problem. Now, let me remind you something. Most in 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:05.799 the media forget. Allan was never elected premier at the 0:03:05.880 --> 0:03:09.840 last election. Dan Andrews was. That's right, when he'd forgotten this. 0:03:10.639 --> 0:03:14.239 Despite world record lockdowns the last state election in twenty 0:03:14.280 --> 0:03:18.000 twenty two, the Liberals under two time leader Matthew Guy, 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:23.160 well they actually went backwards. So Dan Andrews survived, only 0:03:23.240 --> 0:03:26.919 to resign a year later, grabbing his big pension before 0:03:26.960 --> 0:03:30.400 heading off to make his money via his mates in Beijing. 0:03:31.320 --> 0:03:32.880 And on the way out, of course. 0:03:32.639 --> 0:03:37.880 He installed his mate, fellow Left faction loyalist, just into Alan. 0:03:38.320 --> 0:03:43.760 So installed, not elected, and just like the unelected Joan 0:03:43.880 --> 0:03:48.440 Kerner before her, will Allan'll make history for all the 0:03:48.480 --> 0:03:49.600 wrong reasons. 0:03:49.840 --> 0:03:52.200 Although yes, unelected. 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:54.640 By the people liked us into Alan, at least kerner 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.240 faced voters at an election, So please spare me the 0:03:59.280 --> 0:04:02.560 constant by about women from the left. In the end, 0:04:02.600 --> 0:04:07.080 it's competence, performance and merit that matters more than anything else, 0:04:07.080 --> 0:04:09.680 and it's the lack of all three. It's been the 0:04:09.720 --> 0:04:14.000 problem for Allan from day one. Although good luck to 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:18.480 Ben Carolyn explaining this about face to his daughter after 0:04:18.600 --> 0:04:21.560 using her as some sort of human shield in recent 0:04:21.600 --> 0:04:24.920 weeks when asked if he's still supported just into. 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:27.560 Alan, I want to serve you, Cinteria Allen, and I 0:04:27.600 --> 0:04:28.680 want to make sure No. 0:04:28.920 --> 0:04:30.800 Look that's my people. I've got a. 0:04:30.839 --> 0:04:32.760 Young daughter at home, and I'm going to be more 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:35.359 proud to make sure she grows up knowing that I 0:04:35.440 --> 0:04:39.320 supported your Cintera Allen to be a world class premier 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:40.880 and get re elected in her own role. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.400 Are you going to try to get the premier's job tomorrow? 0:04:44.560 --> 0:04:44.640 No? 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.400 Are you going to ask her to step beside? 0:04:46.520 --> 0:04:46.599 No? 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:48.760 Can you look her in the eye so that I. 0:04:48.800 --> 0:04:54.400 Can say that, Premier, it's only been six weeks. It 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.320 has an aged well, has it? Now, what's clear tonight 0:04:57.440 --> 0:05:00.680 is that Alan has lost majority of support amongst her 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:05.080 labor colleagues. Added to which she's this exclusive tonight of 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.080 the Age website that reads a secret briefing to Premier 0:05:09.120 --> 0:05:12.279 to send to Alan reveals her most senior advisors sought 0:05:12.320 --> 0:05:16.479 to warn her in writing in June twenty twenty three 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:19.960 that the big bill she was overseeing as minister was 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.640 being taken over by a lawless CFMAU and that this 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:28.200 could cause major blowouts and bikers and criminals had reportedly 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:34.080 infiltrated taxpayer funded projects. So, if that's right, Alan, you 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:40.480 fifteen billions now being wasted and she was warned, So 0:05:40.560 --> 0:05:41.080 she's gone. 0:05:41.279 --> 0:05:41.919 She's gone. 0:05:42.320 --> 0:05:46.200 The real issue now is how bloody does she want 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:50.240 this order become. Does she resign and hand over cleanly 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.600 tomorrow to Ben Carroll that's clearly what the factions were 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:57.200 hoping for last night, Or is she made plane in 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.240 a letter today to head office. Does she continue you 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:03.320 to stay and fight and if she does, or what 0:06:03.360 --> 0:06:06.280 does that look like? Dragging it out over the next 0:06:06.360 --> 0:06:10.520 four weeks, running internal hatreds through the media to end 0:06:10.600 --> 0:06:13.800 up with what we know is already a foregone conclusion 0:06:14.160 --> 0:06:18.559 Alan out Caroline, is that what will happen or will 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:21.480 party elders get to her and urge some common sense. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:26.279 With just four months now between today and the November 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.600 state election, at what point does Alan's determination to fight 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:34.039 for her job become self indulgent? At what point does 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.200 her active defiance against the numbers make her, politically speaking, 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.799 a suicide bomber for Labour's opponents. That's what she needs 0:06:42.839 --> 0:06:46.240 to weigh up this evening now. When faced with a 0:06:46.279 --> 0:06:50.440 similar decision Julia Gillard, who stole Kevin Rudd's job midway 0:06:50.440 --> 0:06:54.000 through his first term, she fought on now it didn't 0:06:54.000 --> 0:06:56.520 help her, As we know, the caucus went ahead and 0:06:56.680 --> 0:07:00.000 rolled Labour's first female leader, the first female prime minister. 0:07:00.120 --> 0:07:04.440 Or anyway, they reinstalled Rudd just months out from the 0:07:04.440 --> 0:07:09.440 twenty thirteen election, and the same will happen here. Remember 0:07:09.560 --> 0:07:13.119 what I said earlier, I remember that horse called self interest. Well, 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:15.920 just like in twenty thirteen, I don't think changing the 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:18.480 leader will make a scrap of difference to the result 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:24.559 in November. But with these important caveats, if the Labor 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:30.000 leadership does change, the Liberals have got to hold their nerve. Now, 0:07:30.040 --> 0:07:32.520 I can't tell you the number of times we had 0:07:32.520 --> 0:07:35.560 Liberals in opposition, people like the then Deputy Julie Bishop. 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:39.280 I mean it completely obsessed about how we were going 0:07:39.320 --> 0:07:42.440 to handle the prospect that Labor might dunk Gillard and 0:07:42.480 --> 0:07:48.000 put Rudd back in Before polling day now, honestly, Bishop 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.880 was almost paralyzed with the thought that we would lose Gillard, 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:53.680 who at the time, just like Jacinta Allen, was a 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.360 big vote winner for the Coalition, and every time she 0:07:57.640 --> 0:08:01.760 and others raised it, Tony Abbott would say this to them. 0:08:01.760 --> 0:08:05.200 He'd say, look, we've got no control over who we 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.360 face at the election. We only have control over what 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.720 we say and the policies we take to the Australian people. 0:08:12.520 --> 0:08:16.080 And the moment we become so obsessed about our opponent 0:08:16.400 --> 0:08:20.040 that we lose sight of that, that we're god Now 0:08:20.400 --> 0:08:23.480 as it was spot on, he's stuck to his strategy 0:08:23.480 --> 0:08:27.360 and he won in a landslide, even with Kevin Rud's return. 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:31.280 So that's my message tonight to liberals. Not one of 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.680 you has a vote in the Labor caucus. None of 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.360 you can influence what Labor will do. The only thing 0:08:38.440 --> 0:08:41.120 you can control now is how you react to it, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:44.560 and in that respect, this is where you must stick 0:08:44.880 --> 0:08:47.400 to your strategy in the end. In the end, it 0:08:47.480 --> 0:08:50.920 doesn't matter who captains the labourship. That ship's sinking, and 0:08:50.960 --> 0:08:53.800 it's your job to ensure that the ship ends up 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:55.560 at the bottom of Port Phillip Bay. 0:08:56.520 --> 0:08:58.839 The real risk for liberals. 0:08:58.920 --> 0:09:03.520 Is that media on the internal machinations of labor take 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.480 away airtime that they weren't focused on the solutions they 0:09:07.520 --> 0:09:11.000 have to fix the broken state of Victoria. So as 0:09:11.160 --> 0:09:14.000 distracting as all of this might be, and there's a 0:09:14.040 --> 0:09:17.560 real risk that some liberal front benches will see the 0:09:17.640 --> 0:09:19.640 mess inside labor is a bit of an excuse to 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:23.360 get lazy in terms of their own work ethic over 0:09:23.400 --> 0:09:26.160 the next few months. What's happening right now with the 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:29.760 labor leadership should in fact spur them on to go 0:09:29.880 --> 0:09:34.600 even harder, because I come from the school of politics 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:39.280 where if you've got your foot on the throat of 0:09:39.320 --> 0:09:43.319 your opponent, you keep it there, You keep your foot 0:09:43.400 --> 0:09:46.880 on their neck until the better end. So as the 0:09:46.920 --> 0:09:52.040 phones run hot in Victorian labor tonight, watch this space. 0:09:56.960 --> 0:09:59.360 Plenty of headlines will go there now to Canberra and 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:02.000 get them. Political reporter Riven Spargo. 0:10:02.800 --> 0:10:05.800 Good Evening. Pauline Hansen has lost her appeal against the 0:10:05.840 --> 0:10:10.360 court ruling which found she racially discriminated against a Green senator. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.040 The One Nation leader told Green's deputy leader Marine Ferruki 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:15.880 to go back to where she came from. 0:10:16.120 --> 0:10:20.120 This yesterday is our fight back against the. 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:24.520 Far right Senator Hanson is flagging a potential High Court appeal. 0:10:24.679 --> 0:10:28.840 The Prime Minister is evading questions about a secretive Sydney dinner. 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:32.800 Anthony Albernizi seemingly confirmed he attended the family mansion of 0:10:32.880 --> 0:10:36.200 Felix Lee, who the Nine Papers report was offering a 0:10:36.240 --> 0:10:40.280 substantial donation to the Labor Party. Mister Lee's father faces 0:10:40.360 --> 0:10:44.280 allegations of deceiving the ATO to funnel money from China 0:10:44.600 --> 0:10:45.480 into Australia. 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:49.280 Oh look, I attend lots of functions. I attend lots 0:10:49.280 --> 0:10:50.880 of functions in lots of places. 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:53.679 What about the sinner at point part. 0:10:53.120 --> 0:10:55.719 I attend lots of functions. You want to ask that 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:56.800 One Nation leader. 0:10:56.840 --> 0:11:00.600 Pauline Hansen claims if Labor didn't have double standards, they 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:04.120 wouldn't have any A Liberal MP is likening the ALP's 0:11:04.200 --> 0:11:08.280 national conference with something out of North Korea Unions, rank 0:11:08.320 --> 0:11:12.640 and file members, MPs and factional powerbrokers gathered in Adelaide. 0:11:12.800 --> 0:11:15.520 It's a political conference that would have done Kim Jong 0:11:15.679 --> 0:11:20.120 un proud. Clearly, no one was allowed to descent at all, 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.599 and we know that's the motors of Brandi tata. 0:11:22.400 --> 0:11:24.440 Is He the Prime Minister, claims it was the most 0:11:24.480 --> 0:11:29.000 transparent political conference in Australia and Labor is unified. 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:31.040 All right. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:32.920 Before I bring in my panel and other things, I 0:11:32.960 --> 0:11:34.959 want to go back to that massive day today in 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:37.839 Victorian politics. It'll be a long night tonight for the 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.040 Labor MPs, the factional bosses of course, hitting the phones. 0:11:41.480 --> 0:11:43.400 Joining me now for the latest at Victorian and political 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:47.439 reporter in the hot seat, Georgie Dickinson. Well news twenty 0:11:47.480 --> 0:11:51.280 four We haven't even been going twenty four hours yet, Georgie, 0:11:51.280 --> 0:11:53.199 but we were first with the news. We've run it 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:56.640 hard all day. The speculation's been there for weeks, of 0:11:56.640 --> 0:11:57.280 course it is. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:58.360 But I'll tell you what. 0:11:58.400 --> 0:12:01.079 When it started to move earlier this morning, it moved fast, 0:12:01.080 --> 0:12:03.440 didn't it. 0:12:03.440 --> 0:12:06.400 It certainly picked up pace very quickly. Good evening to you, Peter. 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.760 It was before a cabinet meeting that was scheduled to 0:12:08.800 --> 0:12:12.319 start at eleven o'clock that members of the premier's ministry 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:15.280 had visited her, including the Police Minister as well as 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:18.920 her Infrastructure Minister, Gabrielle Williams. At this meeting, before the 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.520 cabinet meeting had even started, they had asked the Premier 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.160 to resign, to step aside and make way for the 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:27.760 Deputy Premier Ben Carroll. She clearly refused to do so. 0:12:27.880 --> 0:12:30.640 She in turn actually asked those ministers visiting her to 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:32.800 resign themselves, which clearly. 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:34.400 They weren't going to do now. 0:12:34.440 --> 0:12:37.200 Of course, as you played earlier, that snippet from the 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.360 deputy Premier Ben Carroll just six weeks ago saying that 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.000 he wasn't coming for the top job. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.360 Today a completely different story. 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:46.840 He released this statement online and he had said that 0:12:47.400 --> 0:12:49.840 it is clear that the Premier had lost the majority 0:12:49.880 --> 0:12:52.160 of her caucus, and he had said in that statement 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:52.720 that he'd. 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:54.680 Gone to the Premier to inform her. 0:12:54.559 --> 0:12:56.920 That he would be nominating for the leadership of the 0:12:57.040 --> 0:12:59.920 Labor Party. So certainly an extremely different tune to see 0:13:00.200 --> 0:13:02.480 weeks ago. And of course we've seen the Premier saying 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:04.840 that she will contest the leadership if it comes to that. 0:13:05.080 --> 0:13:07.760 But of course, Peter, that'll all happen at that party 0:13:07.800 --> 0:13:09.920 room meeting at ten o'clock tomorrow morning. 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.760 Okay, Parliament is sitting. If she's adamant that she won't 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:21.680 go take us through what happens, then Georgie, well, clearly. 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:24.040 They have the numbers for a successful leadership spill, So 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.640 there's a few different scenarios that can play out. So 0:13:26.880 --> 0:13:28.319 that is the most likely that there will be a 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:31.920 successful leadership spill. Then Ben Carroll will likely and will 0:13:31.960 --> 0:13:34.800 nominate for the leadership. But of course then the real 0:13:34.880 --> 0:13:37.640 question is if Jacinta Allen will stand by her word 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:40.080 and that statement that she'd sent to the State Secretary 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.280 that she would contest the leadership. If that is the case, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:45.560 that is really turmoil for the Labor Party. 0:13:45.840 --> 0:13:48.000 Then it could be a two month long process. 0:13:48.040 --> 0:13:50.680 Of course, we're only just over four months out from 0:13:50.720 --> 0:13:53.000 the state election, so the focus really. 0:13:52.800 --> 0:13:54.720 Needs to remain on the election ahead. 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.080 So that will be the real sticking point whether she 0:13:57.160 --> 0:13:59.840 stands by her word tomorrow morning, and that will all 0:13:59.880 --> 0:14:02.480 be decided at ten o'clock when the party room meets. 0:14:04.080 --> 0:14:04.679 Now this is a. 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.520 Question without notice, Georgie and you might need to take 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.000 it away and find out for me. But what a 0:14:09.040 --> 0:14:11.920 caucus room decides is that is the rules for a 0:14:11.960 --> 0:14:16.040 leadership ballot. They can also change, just like the Liberal 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.960 Party can. So when they decided when they moved away 0:14:18.960 --> 0:14:22.400 from a caucus only elected leader and moved into a 0:14:22.440 --> 0:14:26.760 scenario where it's a mixture of caucus and rank and file, 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:30.520 well there's nothing to stop the caucus tomorrow moving a 0:14:30.560 --> 0:14:34.720 motion to rescind that and have it just a decision 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:36.600 only of the caucus. 0:14:36.640 --> 0:14:38.360 Do you know if that's on the table. 0:14:40.560 --> 0:14:42.760 We haven't heard about that yet, Peter. 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:46.040 I suppose the real message that the Labor Party tonight 0:14:46.080 --> 0:14:47.960 would be wanting to have is that they don't even 0:14:48.000 --> 0:14:50.200 have to get to that stage. They want, obviously just 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:52.840 into Alan to resign before it gets to that stage 0:14:53.000 --> 0:14:56.200 and gets even messier than the situation currently already is. 0:14:57.800 --> 0:14:59.400 Yeah, someone's got to knock on the door and say, love, 0:14:59.440 --> 0:15:02.640 it's not about you, it's no longer about you. You 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:04.640 have to go. It's about the party. But we'll see 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.520 what happens overnight. Thank you, Georgie, go and rest up. 0:15:07.560 --> 0:15:10.400 You'll be busy again tomorrow. I suspect let's bring in 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.920 my panel on our News twenty four host Jamie Rodgers 0:15:12.920 --> 0:15:16.640 and national affairs editor of a Daily Telegraph, also part 0:15:16.640 --> 0:15:18.960 of the stable of News twenty four too, James Morrow, 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:23.600 let's start with Victorian leadership. I have to play these 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.600 comments from just six weeks ago again by the aspirant 0:15:27.720 --> 0:15:28.680 Ben Carroll. 0:15:29.520 --> 0:15:31.520 I want to serve your Cintia Rallan, and I want 0:15:31.520 --> 0:15:32.440 to make sure No. 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:33.520 Look that's my people. 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.120 I've got a young daughter at home and I'm going 0:15:36.120 --> 0:15:38.120 to be more proud to make sure she grows up 0:15:38.160 --> 0:15:41.800 knowing that I supported your Cinta Allen to be a 0:15:41.960 --> 0:15:44.640 world class premier and get re elected in her own role. 0:15:45.040 --> 0:15:48.200 Are you going to try to beat the premier's job tomorrow? 0:15:48.320 --> 0:15:48.400 No? 0:15:48.600 --> 0:15:50.160 Are you going to ask you to step aside? 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:50.360 No? 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:51.720 Can you look her in the eye? 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:57.200 So look, say that Premier, Jamie, Javi Jamie. 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.280 For all they talk about women, I tell you Labor 0:15:59.640 --> 0:16:01.640 have all got a gold medal for the way they 0:16:01.800 --> 0:16:06.040 roll their female leaders. So let's not take any any 0:16:06.080 --> 0:16:08.560 advice from Labor when it comes to women in politics. 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:14.280 But what's interesting here, how does Ben Carroll explain that 0:16:14.360 --> 0:16:17.600 one away not just to his daughter, but to Victorians. 0:16:18.440 --> 0:16:21.560 That's a very good point, Peter, because that interview certainly 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:24.360 hasn't aged well and it's going to be perfect material 0:16:24.400 --> 0:16:27.320 for the Liberals to be rolling out constantly if he 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:31.120 is elected as the next Labor leader and premier of 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:35.040 the Victorian state leading into the election November, because it 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:38.280 shows that he looked Justinter Allen in the eye and 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:40.960 said that he wasn't going to contest the leadership, and 0:16:40.960 --> 0:16:43.280 then six weeks later, here we are. But he also 0:16:43.400 --> 0:16:45.720 used his daughter almost as a little bit of a 0:16:45.720 --> 0:16:48.360 political win there to say, I want to be able 0:16:48.360 --> 0:16:50.720 to tell her that I backed just Cinter Allen and 0:16:50.760 --> 0:16:52.800 now he's contesting the leadership. But it's going to be 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:56.280 interesting the response to Ben Carroll though, Peter, because he 0:16:56.360 --> 0:16:59.320 has stood side by side with Justinter Allen as the 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.760 crime has been escalating, has the debt has been continuing 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:05.720 to grow, so he effectively is still tarnished by the 0:17:05.760 --> 0:17:07.480 same brush as what Justintera. 0:17:07.240 --> 0:17:10.000 Allen has been. It's going to be very interesting to. 0:17:10.000 --> 0:17:13.960 Watch, and I am amazed that Justinta Allen is holding on. 0:17:14.119 --> 0:17:16.639 She's certainly not doing what's best for her party. But 0:17:16.720 --> 0:17:18.600 I really hope this is a big positive for the 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:19.840 Liberals going into November. 0:17:21.720 --> 0:17:22.840 I will give him points. 0:17:22.840 --> 0:17:26.720 So I'll give him credit, Jamie, because after Daniel Andrews 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:31.080 resigned and Alan was installed by the numbers that were 0:17:31.160 --> 0:17:34.240 orchestrated actually by Daniel Andrews. As he walked out the door, 0:17:34.880 --> 0:17:37.680 Carol was told not to run his deputy, but he 0:17:37.760 --> 0:17:39.760 sort of said stuff you to Andrews and to the 0:17:39.840 --> 0:17:41.320 left faction, and he. 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.000 Ran and was successful. So he's got a bit of spine. 0:17:45.400 --> 0:17:47.800 But I think, like the Prime minister, he's got a 0:17:47.840 --> 0:17:50.080 real labor trust deficit now doesn't he? 0:17:50.680 --> 0:17:51.280 Well he does. 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:54.080 And to my point before, this is why the Liberals 0:17:54.080 --> 0:17:57.280 can really jump on this and continue to play that 0:17:57.440 --> 0:18:00.520 vision over and over again where he looked just Inter 0:18:00.600 --> 0:18:02.399 Allen in the eye and said he wasn't going to 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.160 do that if he had any form of political ambition. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:08.679 Politicians are brilliant, Peter not being able to answer a question, 0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:11.520 so he should have been bouncing around and not done that, 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:13.960 because this is the sort of stuff that doesn't age 0:18:13.960 --> 0:18:16.240 well and we'll come back to bite him. As I said, 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:18.480 this is brilliant material for the Liberals to be using. 0:18:18.640 --> 0:18:20.280 Labor would be using it if it was the other 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.600 way around. So the Liberals need to get out with 0:18:22.640 --> 0:18:25.000 their advertising campaign. It should be out as soon as 0:18:25.000 --> 0:18:27.720 he is announced as a leader. That needs to be rolling. 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.600 They put some stuff out today about deceit and labor 0:18:32.640 --> 0:18:35.200 being focused on itself and not by voters. And I'll 0:18:35.200 --> 0:18:38.560 give them credit there to James and I made the point, 0:18:38.600 --> 0:18:40.639 and I hope, I hope liberals are listening tonight. 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:42.560 There was this whole. 0:18:42.280 --> 0:18:46.040 Internal kerfuffle in twenty thirteen as we headed into that election. 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:48.919 You know what happens if they put Kevin run back in. 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:53.080 Julia Gillard is our great gift in a polling sense. 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.480 Without Gillard, he's going to struggle to win. And Tony 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.159 said to all the nervous now, chief among them, as 0:18:59.160 --> 0:19:02.960 I see, was Julie Bane, don't least focus, stick to 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.320 the strategy, don't drop your bundle. 0:19:05.680 --> 0:19:06.720 And of course hey did. 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:09.280 The Libs did, and they wanted a landslide. That's what's 0:19:09.320 --> 0:19:10.119 going to happen here. 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:12.960 Well, yeah, Peter, that is what has to happen here. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:17.000 And my information is that in fact, the campaign has 0:19:17.080 --> 0:19:19.680 war gained out the whole idea that this would happen, 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.840 that there would be a change of leadership. I don't 0:19:22.880 --> 0:19:26.240 think they would have gone into this campaign necessarily expecting 0:19:26.280 --> 0:19:29.560 that just Sinda Allen was going to be the candidate 0:19:29.880 --> 0:19:32.159 that they wound up standing against at the end of 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:36.600 November later this year. The message is still the same, 0:19:36.640 --> 0:19:38.639 and what we're seeing now, we're going to start to 0:19:38.680 --> 0:19:41.679 see tongues of now for as long as this leadership 0:19:41.760 --> 0:19:44.439 fight goes on. And this is where the real advantage 0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:50.280 is for the Coalition is that this internal fight between 0:19:50.280 --> 0:19:53.199 the two it's already getting so ugly. We've seen leaks 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.359 in the Age this afternoon about how the premiere was 0:19:57.400 --> 0:19:59.960 told back in twenty twenty three and a highly confident 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:03.760 briefing that the CFMU was getting involved corruptly into all 0:20:03.760 --> 0:20:06.919 sorts of big build projects and that you know that 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:08.880 there was a lot of concerns about money going out 0:20:08.920 --> 0:20:11.320 the door and corruption. And she's now saying, oh, I 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.240 didn't know about that briefing, So you know, clearly already 0:20:14.320 --> 0:20:17.520 the knives are out. It's the longer this goes on, 0:20:18.040 --> 0:20:21.680 the more both parties in this get completely muddied, and 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:23.880 obviously the better it is for the Liberals. 0:20:25.600 --> 0:20:27.680 Yeah, all credit there too to the Age. They've got 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.160 that story up. I'd had it rumored to me from 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:34.240 legal circles that there is the existence of these emails. 0:20:34.240 --> 0:20:38.439 It's written material about the warning about corruption and the 0:20:38.440 --> 0:20:40.919 big build, but they've clearly stood it up to get 0:20:40.960 --> 0:20:43.520 it out there on the front pages this afternoon. The 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:46.399 ALP conference it wrapped up on the weekend, you know, 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:51.439 a highly staged, managed, great big kumbaia. Everybody agreed on 0:20:51.480 --> 0:20:54.960 everything until it got to the issue of Israel and Palestine. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:00.480 But what I found, frankly soul destroying was this this 0:21:00.800 --> 0:21:05.240 inability of labor to demand that when they discuss Israel 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:10.720 and Palestine that Hamas must disarm and the Palestinian authority 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:16.040 must reform before any money goes into Gaza from Australian taxpayers. 0:21:16.040 --> 0:21:19.080 Well we know Jamie Penny Wong is pouring the millions 0:21:19.119 --> 0:21:22.080 back into Gaza, and she's got all of those ministers 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.720 and the Prime Minister over the weekend, all of them 0:21:24.800 --> 0:21:28.400