WEBVTT - The Late Debate | 28 April 0:00:00.720 --> 0:00:05.320 Lately, gentleman, welcome the late base. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:07.800 Good evening. 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:11.039 I'm James Macpherson, with Liz Staer and Joe Hildebrandt coming 0:00:11.119 --> 0:00:11.600 up tonight. 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:13.600 Katy Perry might prefer. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:15.640 To be back in out of space after the reception 0:00:15.760 --> 0:00:17.680 she's getting on her latest concert tour. 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:19.160 We'll show you why a little later. 0:00:19.560 --> 0:00:22.360 Plus when we look at the papers homeless people set 0:00:22.400 --> 0:00:26.680 to be issued massive fines for sleeping outdoors, and how 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:31.320 authorities ignored warnings that might have stopped the BONDI stabber 0:00:31.440 --> 0:00:34.600 all of that a little later, but first, TLMP Minick 0:00:34.800 --> 0:00:38.920 Ryan is pleading for extra donations to help her retain 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:41.559 the seat of Couyong she won from the Liberals in 0:00:41.680 --> 0:00:45.640 twenty twenty two. She sent an email to backs literally 0:00:46.040 --> 0:00:50.640 pleading for donations and complaining, have listened to this. We've 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:54.360 seen a scale of attacks I never thought possible, coordinated, 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.360 well funded, and designed to mislead voters in the final stretch. 0:00:58.800 --> 0:01:01.520 These attacks aren't just coming from the Liberal party, They're 0:01:01.560 --> 0:01:06.920 coming from a power for conservative ecosystem. All the irony 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.440 of this, I mean, Monique Ryan complains she's the victim 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:14.160 of a coordinated, wealth funded attack. When everybody knows the 0:01:14.200 --> 0:01:18.039 Teals themselves are a coordinated, well funded attack on the 0:01:18.040 --> 0:01:20.720 Liberal Party, except the Teals lie about. 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.840 It, claiming to be independent. 0:01:23.160 --> 0:01:26.120 They are of course bankrolled by Simon Holmes the courts 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.000 Climate two hundred, although Manique Ryan pretends she's got no 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:31.600 idea where her money comes from. 0:01:33.280 --> 0:01:36.480 Who is your biggest financial backer for this federal election? 0:01:37.200 --> 0:01:40.080 I've had more than two thousand diners in this federal 0:01:40.120 --> 0:01:43.600 election to this point, Climate two hundred has provided less 0:01:43.600 --> 0:01:45.520 than twenty percent of the support that I've received. 0:01:45.560 --> 0:01:48.520 Is Climate two hundred your biggest financial backer. 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:55.880 At this point? That we've had in kind and specific 0:01:55.920 --> 0:01:58.920 donations from Climate two hundred, I'd have to check. 0:01:58.800 --> 0:02:01.880 So in dollars and cents in financial terms, is Climate 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.360 two hundred your biggest backer at this election? 0:02:06.240 --> 0:02:07.960 I wouldn't be able to say that at this point. 0:02:07.800 --> 0:02:12.520 In time, she would know exactly where her funding is 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:15.600 coming from. But of course she's not the only TiAl 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.639 desperate for money. Homes of Court has emailed back as 0:02:18.680 --> 0:02:23.239 saying if people don't donate more cash, Manick Ryan, Zoe Daniel, 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.360 Sophie Scramps, and Kate Cheney all could lose their seats. 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.840 My encouragement Liz and Joe to potential donors would be 0:02:30.880 --> 0:02:34.000 to give to the Teals exactly what they've given their constituents, 0:02:34.200 --> 0:02:36.000 which would be absolutely nothing. 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:38.680 Well, they don't need it because they're so very very rich, James, 0:02:38.680 --> 0:02:40.839 So it's okay, they don't need anything. All they need 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:42.840 is to be able to sleep well at night knowing 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:47.880 that their dreams of integrity and climate climate purity in 0:02:47.960 --> 0:02:51.480 the year twenty twenty fifty and transparency very important as well. 0:02:51.480 --> 0:02:54.480 Thank you for reminding me, Liz that all these values 0:02:54.680 --> 0:02:56.800 that they hold so dear, and they can afford to 0:02:56.840 --> 0:02:59.720 hold so dear because they don't have to afford anything 0:02:59.760 --> 0:03:02.840 else which everyone else in the country has to deal with, like, 0:03:02.840 --> 0:03:05.160 for example, putting food on the table. They can afford 0:03:05.200 --> 0:03:07.440 to worry about things happening in twenty thirty five or 0:03:07.480 --> 0:03:09.760 twenty fifty, and they can afford to worry about whether 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:13.560 the politics of Australia is as pure as they would like. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:13.880 It to be. 0:03:14.040 --> 0:03:17.760 And that's why I am so pleased that when it 0:03:17.800 --> 0:03:22.800 comes to matters of integrity and transparency, the proto Teal 0:03:23.200 --> 0:03:27.800 the Captain America of Teals, Monique Ryan, the Teal who 0:03:27.800 --> 0:03:32.440 took down, Josh Friedenberg is addressing, without fear or favor, 0:03:32.760 --> 0:03:36.760 the most fundamental question when it comes to the honesty 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.680 and integrity and transparency of any accountable government in the 0:03:40.720 --> 0:03:44.560 Western nation, or indeed the entire world, which is where's 0:03:44.600 --> 0:03:49.400 the money coming from, Who's paying for you, who's doing. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:51.560 Are you who's bidding? Are you doing? 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:58.200 It is unfathomable that is both so completely and shamelessly 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:02.400 hypocritical as to not ann a very basic question about 0:04:02.440 --> 0:04:05.480 just who her biggest donor is, when clearly she would know, 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:09.160 but also that she is so bad at politics that 0:04:09.200 --> 0:04:12.040 she wouldn't be able to have an answer to this, 0:04:12.240 --> 0:04:14.840 And just like she is so incredibly bad at politics 0:04:14.880 --> 0:04:19.200 that when one young Sky News reporter puts the microphone 0:04:19.200 --> 0:04:21.719 and ask her a few questions in her own electorate 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:24.640 on her home turf, she can't even handle that. And 0:04:24.640 --> 0:04:26.320 she literally has to sort of say no, no, no, 0:04:26.400 --> 0:04:28.479 just go away, leave me alone, Leave me alone. When 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:32.239 the slightest amount of scrutiny is applied to these people, 0:04:32.600 --> 0:04:36.560 they fall apart like a house of cards. And I 0:04:36.600 --> 0:04:39.039 think I can say on behalf of the nation, it 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:41.800 is just so wonderful to watch. I'm just enjoying it 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:44.920 so much, so just keep going. Even if we get 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:47.640 back in we get another three years of this, i'mhappy. 0:04:47.760 --> 0:04:51.080 So either way, just please keep doing what you're doing. 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:55.360 Keep pontificating about how everyone else is corrupt or everyone 0:04:55.400 --> 0:04:57.720 else doesn't actually stick to their principles, and we need 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:00.360 a national integrity Commission and you're the on ones pure enough, 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:03.440 while you're refusing to say where the money comes from, 0:05:03.560 --> 0:05:06.920 while you're tearing down, or your husband is your opponents 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:13.360 democratically sanctioned of core flutes, while you are treating your 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:16.800 own staff appallingly to the point where they actually take 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:23.040 it a court to get a sally rug. You know what, again, 0:05:23.160 --> 0:05:25.720 one of the nicest people you could ever happen to 0:05:25.720 --> 0:05:28.640 meet combined with one of the other nicest people you 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.880 could ever happen to meet. It isn't it lovely when 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.760 these progressives who talk about how nice we should all 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:36.479 be get together and it turns out they are the 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.640 most toxic binary combination known to chemistry. 0:05:40.680 --> 0:05:41.719 It is just glorious. 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.160 So just please don't give up. Whatever you do, don't 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:49.200 give up, stay in politics, keep going because. 0:05:48.920 --> 0:05:50.000 This country needs you. 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:53.640 This country needs to laugh right now and you are 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.240 providing that country. 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:58.640 Humany for your national service. I don't know you know 0:05:58.720 --> 0:06:02.200 who needs to hear this, but you're not independent if 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:07.640 you're funded by climate two hundred. End of discussion. Also, 0:06:08.080 --> 0:06:11.160 why the last minute cash grab? What on earth are 0:06:11.200 --> 0:06:13.839 people going to spend this cash grab money on? 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.839 This late in the game. Over two point four million 0:06:17.880 --> 0:06:19.200 Aussies have already voted. 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:22.680 Goodness knows how many will be left by the time 0:06:22.760 --> 0:06:27.000 the polls actually open. Everyone wants this over and done with. 0:06:27.160 --> 0:06:29.719 Everyone is sick of the campaign. So what are you 0:06:29.760 --> 0:06:30.240 going to buy? 0:06:30.360 --> 0:06:31.360 More core flutes? 0:06:31.400 --> 0:06:34.440 Were as sick of your faces as we are of 0:06:34.480 --> 0:06:35.360 your policies. 0:06:35.640 --> 0:06:37.960 What are you going to buy more ads. 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.239 That just pierce everyone off? 0:06:40.440 --> 0:06:44.919 Everyone is utterly sick and tired of this campaign already, 0:06:45.000 --> 0:06:49.159 and speaking of ads that just pave people no end, 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:53.440 I bet you're one of them who has received these 0:06:53.680 --> 0:06:58.720 texts from Trumpets of Patriots. I was at home on Saturday, 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:02.080 minding my own business when I received a text from 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:06.440 Trumpet of Patriots. I bet this is a familiar story 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.720 if you're watching tonight. Of course, the first question is 0:07:10.000 --> 0:07:13.320 where'd you get my number from? What kind of invasion 0:07:13.400 --> 0:07:16.640 of privacy is this I don't remember signing up to 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:19.679 Trumpets a Patriots and giving them my mobile number. 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:21.600 No you didn't. 0:07:21.760 --> 0:07:24.280 They must have bought it from somewhere with the tens 0:07:24.280 --> 0:07:27.960 of millions of dollars that they have spent on campaigning. 0:07:28.040 --> 0:07:32.480 But today, the Electoral Commission was very quick to point out, 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:37.040 given how many complaints they'd received, that Trumpets of Patriots 0:07:37.120 --> 0:07:39.000 was in fact doing nothing illegal. 0:07:39.160 --> 0:07:40.280 Check this out. They say. 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:44.600 Political parties are exempt from the Spam Act and the 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:48.800 Privacy Act and are able to send unsolicited text messages 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:49.920 without an. 0:07:49.760 --> 0:07:51.000 Opt out option. 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:54.600 So there was no opt in option and there's no 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.800 opt out option. So basically you've just got to suck 0:07:57.800 --> 0:08:00.800 it up, Aussies. The Electoral Commission goes on to say 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:03.560 any changes to these laws would be a matter for 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:07.760 the Parliament to consider. Here's another one of those texts. 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:13.000 Solve housing fast trains twenty minutes CBD super four deposits 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.680 three percent interest, cut immigration by eighty percent. 0:08:17.200 --> 0:08:19.600 They're really fitting a lot in new Is that easy? 0:08:19.680 --> 0:08:20.280 That's right there? 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:24.200 That solved all the nation's problems in a single text message. Rich, 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.360 there is vote. 0:08:26.120 --> 0:08:27.480 Trumper of Patriots. 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.400 But seriously, I think this is another one of those 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:37.040 campaign ideas that just backlashes spectacularly because people get text 0:08:37.160 --> 0:08:41.160 after text just days apart, and they're just pissed off. 0:08:41.440 --> 0:08:43.680 They're actually less likely to vote for you. 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.240 Part of the irony is that Trumpet of Patriots are 0:08:46.280 --> 0:08:49.720 campaigning for less government in our lives, and yet we're 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:50.680 swamped on our. 0:08:50.600 --> 0:08:52.200 Mobile phones by the messages. 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.800 They're also a campaigning, of course, for freedom, which I 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:58.360 would absolutely support, but you don't have the freedom to 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:02.679 opt out of their text messages like many other Australians. 0:09:02.760 --> 0:09:04.920 I got them and I'm not that bothered by it, 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:06.680 but I just get sick of them popping up on 0:09:06.720 --> 0:09:09.120 my phone, so I deleted the first couple. Then I 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.920 blocked the number, But even blocking number it didn't stop me. 0:09:12.800 --> 0:09:14.880 I feel really left out. Am I the only person 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.160 in Australia who hasn't got one of these text? I 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:20.800 want to I've got some here off for but this 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.680 is the thing there. So the short answer is they 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:25.720 didn't get your number. Trumpet of Patriots does not have 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.280 your number. All Trumpet of Patriots has is a random 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:33.080 number generator where with enough money behind it, it just 0:09:33.200 --> 0:09:37.400 bombards these messages to every single possible phone number combination 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:40.800 in the world, and some land and some don't. And 0:09:40.840 --> 0:09:44.520 an example, a really good example, is that my wife 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:47.520 is one of the people who received one of these 0:09:47.559 --> 0:09:51.000 text messages, and she does comms for a Quality Australia, 0:09:51.000 --> 0:09:55.080 which was running the campaign against Trumpet of Patriots being 0:09:55.120 --> 0:09:57.720 able to put ads on the front pages of newspapers 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.920 saying there are only two genders, right, So whatever you 0:10:00.960 --> 0:10:03.360 think on that issue, and I don't care. 0:10:03.400 --> 0:10:05.320 Obviously she is. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.400 Not a target voter for them. She is not part 0:10:07.400 --> 0:10:08.559 of their target demographic. 0:10:08.600 --> 0:10:10.199 It would be like money not well spent. 0:10:10.320 --> 0:10:13.559 It would be like it would be like labor targeting 0:10:13.559 --> 0:10:15.800 Peter Dutton and saying have you thought about a vote 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:18.720 for Anthony Albaneze in this election? So it's just what 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.839 happens when it shows you've got more money than God. 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:23.959 I say, bring it on, because all of us here 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.560 in the media, we love your advertising dollars, Trumpet of Patriots, 0:10:27.559 --> 0:10:30.080 so please continue to blow that trumpet and blow it 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:31.000 loud and proud. 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:33.040 So it's not a matter of whether it's right or wrong. 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:36.360 Really a question is is it beneficial or is it 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:38.000 just a waste of time and money? 0:10:38.080 --> 0:10:41.000 For it's very beneficial to us, James, although not I 0:10:41.040 --> 0:10:42.880 don't think, because of course they've got more ads than 0:10:42.880 --> 0:10:44.800 anyone else, and I think they're sitting about what one 0:10:44.880 --> 0:10:46.240 or two percent at the moment. 0:10:46.320 --> 0:10:49.840 Well, we'll find out whether their investment pays off on Saturday. 0:10:50.000 --> 0:10:54.319 I suppose let's stay with election matters because Anthony Elminizi 0:10:54.480 --> 0:10:58.440 is tying himself in all kinds of knots over security issues. 0:10:58.480 --> 0:10:58.640 Now. 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:01.520 His problems with security have been going for quite some time. 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:05.000 You'll remember, well the Chinese warships off the coast of 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:08.920 Sydney firing live rounds and the government finding out via 0:11:09.000 --> 0:11:13.000 a Virgin commercial pilot. Then was another Chinese vessel off 0:11:13.000 --> 0:11:16.280 the coast of South Australia, this time a surveillance ship 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:20.240 tracking the ocean floor for what could only be described 0:11:20.280 --> 0:11:21.520 as nefarious purposes. 0:11:21.920 --> 0:11:23.520 At the Albanese's response to. 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.960 That was that well, he would rather they weren't doing it, 0:11:26.000 --> 0:11:29.479 which is not exactly standing up for our national security. 0:11:29.800 --> 0:11:32.880 And then, of course there were reports in Jane Military 0:11:33.040 --> 0:11:36.800 Journal just a couple of weeks ago that the Russians 0:11:36.880 --> 0:11:39.800 had asked for an air base in Indonesia, which of 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:43.320 course would be a massive problem for Australia. Now, when 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:48.040 the Coalition raised this and started asking questions, the Labor 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:51.439 Party said it wasn't true, it was a fabrication. Senator 0:11:51.520 --> 0:11:54.079 Murray what went as far as saying the whole thing 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.559 was just some crazy conspiracy theory. 0:11:57.720 --> 0:12:00.680 The Opposition is asking for a briefing on something that 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.320 doesn't exist. I mean they might as well ask for 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:06.320 a briefing on the Lockness monster. This is something that 0:12:06.360 --> 0:12:09.040 doesn't exist that they fabricated. 0:12:09.280 --> 0:12:12.040 Except now we find out the Lockness Monster is real. 0:12:12.520 --> 0:12:14.760 It did exist. It was not a fabrication. 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:19.720 Back in February, the Russians did ask the Indonesians for 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:23.520 the ability to use their air bases and possibly Jane 0:12:23.600 --> 0:12:27.200 magazine is reporting for a permanent base. And it turns 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.800 out the Prime Minister knew about this as early as March. 0:12:31.080 --> 0:12:35.800 So he's been caught lying again and worse, playing politics 0:12:36.240 --> 0:12:41.040 with national security. Here's Anthony Albanesi ducking and weaving again today. 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:44.599 In March, were you told about the Russian request for 0:12:44.640 --> 0:12:46.280 air base success in Indonesia? 0:12:46.360 --> 0:12:49.360 Well, look, I don't go through again. I refer to 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:55.360 my previous answer. What adults do on intelligence is received 0:12:55.400 --> 0:12:59.000 them and not do it conduct it through the media. 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.640 What we know but the wants of transparency. What we 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.200 know is. 0:13:02.280 --> 0:13:06.199 I'm sorry, but adults, adults when it comes to intelligence, 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:07.240 act like adults. 0:13:08.240 --> 0:13:11.880 I'm sorry, but adults. Adults don't say lock best. 0:13:11.640 --> 0:13:16.760 Monster about true and factual reports our national security under 0:13:16.760 --> 0:13:19.400 the Albanezi government, Liz is an absolute joke. 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:20.560 And the only people that. 0:13:20.559 --> 0:13:23.880 Are laughing about the Chinese, the Russians and everybody else 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:25.160 who wishes Australia harm. 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:30.720 It's another labor life they're looking at, Joe. For two weeks, 0:13:31.160 --> 0:13:34.880 labor ministers have pussy footed around this issue. They've gas 0:13:34.960 --> 0:13:37.760 lit everyone, making it out that this was just this 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:39.680 was made up, it was a lot ness and wants 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:43.240 to it was mythical, it never happened. And now they've 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.960 got egg all over their faces in the middle of 0:13:45.960 --> 0:13:50.160 a campaign, just a week out to polling day. It's 0:13:50.200 --> 0:13:53.120 how is this nothing but a massive embarrassment? 0:13:53.280 --> 0:13:55.000 Joe. I'm very glad you asked. 0:13:55.000 --> 0:13:59.240 I actually wrote our election rap or election analysis on 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.120 this today and I've coined the term and you'll enjoy 0:14:02.200 --> 0:14:04.240 this tactical obfuscation. 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:06.120 So it's not a lie. 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:10.120 It's tactical obfuscation, but it is actually very very important. 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:10.640 That's right. 0:14:10.679 --> 0:14:12.920 There's George Costanzas said, but they don't believe it because 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.520 they're not. Actually, so, when you say they are calling 0:14:16.840 --> 0:14:19.080 all this stuff that's come out today the locknest monster, 0:14:19.120 --> 0:14:21.280 if you go back and look at what they actually said, 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:21.600 they're not. 0:14:21.920 --> 0:14:24.000 They want you to think that, but they're not. 0:14:24.200 --> 0:14:26.720 So what said it was fabricated? 0:14:26.960 --> 0:14:29.320 No no, they said there would no no, no, no, 0:14:30.360 --> 0:14:31.280 what was fabricated? 0:14:31.880 --> 0:14:33.280 Oh, that's right. 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:36.600 The idea that there would be a Russian base, or 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:39.400 that Russians would be using an Indonesian base that they 0:14:39.440 --> 0:14:41.800 said was fabricated. Of course, that's not what the question was. 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:44.840 The question was always was there a request? But they 0:14:44.840 --> 0:14:48.000 don't answer the question was there a request? They answer 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:51.320 was there was there a plan? Is it going to happen? 0:14:51.480 --> 0:14:53.120 And so you will see time and again and all 0:14:53.160 --> 0:14:56.000 these exchanges says was there a request for this other thing? 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.400 There are absolutely no plans for a Russian air base 0:14:59.560 --> 0:15:02.200 anywhere on Indonesian soil, And so it sounds like they're 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.040 answering that question, but they're not. They're answering a different question. 0:15:05.080 --> 0:15:06.960 And that is the first law of politics. Which is 0:15:07.000 --> 0:15:09.360 you always answer the question you want to be asked, 0:15:09.640 --> 0:15:11.120 not the question you actually are asked. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:12.240 And so then it creates the. 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:17.000 Impression that even the speculation or the reports of the 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.960 request must also be bunkom. And that is why when 0:15:21.040 --> 0:15:23.720 Murray what, Murray what? Was kind of the exception that 0:15:23.760 --> 0:15:27.640 proved the rule, because in just one instance he deviated 0:15:27.640 --> 0:15:30.600 from what was a very carefully worded script that there 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:34.800 are no plans, you know, there is no approvals, that 0:15:34.840 --> 0:15:39.200 it's not going ahead, and Murray what, just in one 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:43.400 little tiny slip, said there's no proposal, And in fact 0:15:43.440 --> 0:15:45.400 that is the one thing that there is, because of 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.000 course the proposal came from the Russians in the form 0:15:48.000 --> 0:15:50.720 of this request. And that's when you saw the opposition 0:15:51.200 --> 0:15:53.280 jump all over it. See now he's lying. 0:15:53.320 --> 0:15:54.440 Now he's lying. Now he's lying. 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:57.720 But because there was already so much kind of confusion 0:15:57.720 --> 0:15:59.920 and noise about it, and because Peter Dutton had gotten 0:16:00.040 --> 0:16:02.080 a bit of trouble as well by saying the Indonesian 0:16:02.360 --> 0:16:05.880 president had said something, when he said absolutely nothing, suddenly 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:08.640 it all just got too confusing. And that is kind 0:16:08.680 --> 0:16:11.360 of what the government wants you to do. They want 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:14.080 you to think that the request for the base, which 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:18.280 is worrying, and the base not going ahead, which is 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:21.440 not as worrying, are the same thing, and therefore that 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.240 none of it is happening. In truth, the first thing 0:16:24.320 --> 0:16:25.440 is happening, the second thing is not. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.840 So you're saying they didn't lie technic. 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:30.520 That's right, they didn't lie. They didn't lie, they just 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:31.880 didn't tell the whole truth. 0:16:32.120 --> 0:16:32.560 That's right. 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.040 Well, it certainly doesn't look like that at this point. 0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:35.880 That's the whole point. 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:39.200 Well if that's the whole point of tactical obfuscation, well. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.880 If it just means after tactical obfuscation is then blown 0:16:42.880 --> 0:16:46.000 out of the water by the truth, the problem, then 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:50.120 it looks like you lied. It doesn't look like tactical obfuscation. 0:16:50.360 --> 0:16:54.000 It looks like you lied for two weeks solid. 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:56.600 And the problem with tactical obfuscation is it's not to 0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.880 protect the national interest, it's to protect the labor parties. 0:17:00.320 --> 0:17:02.760 Well, they don't want to deal with that, right now, 0:17:03.280 --> 0:17:03.600 you don't. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:05.880 I mean, it's a fair point that you don't reveal 0:17:06.160 --> 0:17:09.800 intelligence matters. I mean, the very definition of covert intelligence 0:17:09.840 --> 0:17:11.000 is that it's COVID ended up. 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.040 Talking about it for two weeks because they can't give 0:17:13.040 --> 0:17:14.480 a straight answer, so they. 0:17:16.080 --> 0:17:16.800 Just address it. 0:17:17.040 --> 0:17:17.200 Well. 0:17:17.440 --> 0:17:20.280 I think the government, what the government wanted to do 0:17:20.680 --> 0:17:23.800 was to reassure Australians that this was not going to happen, 0:17:23.960 --> 0:17:26.840 to look like they were across it, and it was 0:17:26.880 --> 0:17:27.639 all you think. 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:29.320 We were reassured. And do you think they looked like 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:30.040 they were across it? 0:17:30.440 --> 0:17:32.720 I think I don't think. No, I think they were 0:17:32.760 --> 0:17:35.240 across it. I know they were across it. But the 0:17:36.480 --> 0:17:39.199 but you just cannot kind of you cannot have like 0:17:39.240 --> 0:17:41.600 Elbow is right in saying you cannot just have these 0:17:41.680 --> 0:17:45.040 kind of debates about who got intelligence, when and where 0:17:45.080 --> 0:17:47.159 and how long ago. You cannot carry them out in 0:17:47.160 --> 0:17:49.760 the media. I can't think of any any government that 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:50.840 has willingly gobm is. 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:52.919 We just don't trust the urbanizy government sell us the 0:17:52.960 --> 0:17:55.679 truth on pretty much anything, whether it's your power bills, 0:17:55.800 --> 0:17:58.400 whether it's ships off the coast of Sydney, a surveillance 0:17:58.400 --> 0:18:00.640 ship off the coast of South Australia. If a hot 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:03.679 air balloon was to fly across Australia slowly, we wouldn't 0:18:03.680 --> 0:18:05.840 believe air belief is he any more than we would believe. 0:18:05.600 --> 0:18:07.199 I will can say that he did fall off the 0:18:07.200 --> 0:18:09.560 stage well. 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.359 In a very disturbing story out of camera, we learned 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.200 today that a twenty three year old male sicko has 0:18:17.240 --> 0:18:22.320 put together one hundred images depicting sixteen different women, some 0:18:22.520 --> 0:18:28.040 in very high serving public service roles in Canbra. He's 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:32.879 put together one hundred images of them depicted nude. These, 0:18:32.920 --> 0:18:37.080 of course are deep fates. He's used AI to put 0:18:37.119 --> 0:18:38.000 them together. 0:18:38.320 --> 0:18:38.560 Now. 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:43.120 Police looked into this after one of the women depicted 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.200 saw an image on this man's phone. 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:48.880 You wonder how that happened. 0:18:49.080 --> 0:18:52.600 We don't know the details, but somehow she was made 0:18:52.640 --> 0:18:53.399 aware that. 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.280 This man had these images on his phone. 0:18:56.359 --> 0:19:00.440 The police looked into it and, to everyone's absolute decis gus, 0:19:00.560 --> 0:19:04.800 because of a loophole in the law, his creating them 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.440 isn't able to be prosecuted because he hasn't shared them 0:19:09.560 --> 0:19:12.280 and didn't have any intent to share them. 0:19:12.359 --> 0:19:13.560 We read today. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:17.920 An ACT police spokesman confirmed police had investigated the incident, 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.119 saying that no charges could be laid as there was 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.159 quote no evidence to support the distribution or threat of 0:19:25.240 --> 0:19:31.280 distribution of the images. So basically, this guy has made 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:34.159 them for his own uses. I guess we're supposed to 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:37.960 take his word for it that they're not going anywhere, 0:19:38.080 --> 0:19:42.960 they're just for his personal We'll leave that to the imagination. 0:19:44.040 --> 0:19:46.560 And this, of course has created. 0:19:46.119 --> 0:19:50.000 This newfound appreciation for the fact that the laws need 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:50.840 to change. 0:19:51.080 --> 0:19:52.879 So it's okay to create them. 0:19:52.920 --> 0:19:57.400 We're supposed to understand, as long as you don't distribute them. 0:19:57.640 --> 0:19:58.840 Yeah, except in Victoria. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:03.760 In Victoria to create fake images of people naked without 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:06.960 their consent. But in the rest of Australia you can 0:20:07.000 --> 0:20:09.600 create them, you just can't circulate them. Here's New South 0:20:09.640 --> 0:20:12.879 Wales Premier Chris Men's saying the law needs to be changed. 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:16.359 Everybody's got a right to go to work or be 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.560