WEBVTT - Sydney's Ketamine Queen: Kerrin Hofstrand Pt.1 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:04.880 The public has had a long held fascination with detectives 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:08.080 detective sy aside of life. The average person has never 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.080 exposed her I spent thirty four years as a cop. 0:00:11.560 --> 0:00:14.040 For twenty five of those years I was catching killers. 0:00:14.440 --> 0:00:16.200 That's what I did for a living. I was a 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:20.560 homicide detective. I'm no longer just interviewing bad guys. Instead, 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.120 I'm taking the public into the world in which I operated. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.400 The guests I talk to each week have amazing stories 0:00:26.440 --> 0:00:28.760 from all sides of the law. The interviews are raw 0:00:28.800 --> 0:00:31.520 and honest, just like the people I talk to. Some 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:34.640 of the content and language might be confronting. That's because 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.640 no one who comes into contact with crime is left unchanged. 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:47.240 Join me now as I take you into this world. Today, 0:00:47.600 --> 0:00:51.720 I had a conversation with Carine Hoffstrand talking about some 0:00:51.760 --> 0:00:54.639 of the things she's done in her wild life. It's 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:58.240 an interesting chat that we had. She talks about how, 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:00.160 as a nineteen year old girl on the way to 0:01:00.240 --> 0:01:03.280 New York to study at a prestigious acting school, she 0:01:03.360 --> 0:01:06.679 got distracted by a young surfer in Hawaii, She fell 0:01:06.720 --> 0:01:10.560 in love, and she never became an actor. We also 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.520 talked about how she started working in bars in Hawaii 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.959 dressed in a bunny suit, which then led to her stripping, 0:01:17.319 --> 0:01:20.440 dealing drugs, and how she spent time in prison in 0:01:20.480 --> 0:01:24.039 Australia following a huge drug bust. That's just part of 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:27.560 a story. She also studied to become a nurse and 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:31.720 worked in ICU units. She continued dealing party drugs and 0:01:31.800 --> 0:01:34.840 hung out with characters in that world. We also talked 0:01:34.880 --> 0:01:38.720 about her time managing brothels and massage parlors, and I 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:41.280 got an education in what it involves working in the 0:01:41.360 --> 0:01:44.720 BDSM club. We had a bit of fun. There were 0:01:44.760 --> 0:01:48.520 lots of laughs, but also had some serious discussions about 0:01:48.640 --> 0:01:51.320 drugs and the sex industry and a lot of things 0:01:51.440 --> 0:01:54.040 I didn't expect to be talking about on I Catch Killers. 0:01:55.720 --> 0:02:00.200 Krin Hofstrand, welcome to I Catch Killers. Thank you well 0:02:00.280 --> 0:02:02.960 I found out about you because they'll produce it here 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:04.800 on I Catch Killers. Said hey, you got to check 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:08.480 this lady out on TikTok and post that you were 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.799 doing on social media, and we had a bit of 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:13.000 a deep dive and said, hey, we're going to get 0:02:13.000 --> 0:02:15.960 you in on I Catch Killers. So I'm very excited 0:02:15.960 --> 0:02:18.320 about sitting down and having a chat with you. I'm 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:20.800 not sure where the conversation is going to take us, 0:02:20.800 --> 0:02:23.639 but it will be fun and interesting, I suggest. 0:02:23.639 --> 0:02:28.320 Thank you, I hope. So let's see, let's see what happens. 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:32.440 Well, you've had well reading your life and for the 0:02:32.480 --> 0:02:35.240 research that we've done in your life. You've lived a full, 0:02:35.560 --> 0:02:37.040 full life I have. 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:40.520 I always say. The only thing I haven't done that 0:02:40.600 --> 0:02:43.720 I really want is I want to win an Academy 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.680 Award for Best Original Screenplay. That's what I want to do. 0:02:47.040 --> 0:02:48.919 But first of all, I've got to write a screenplay. 0:02:49.120 --> 0:02:52.320 Yeah, that's probably just the thing that's holding you back 0:02:52.320 --> 0:02:55.560 a little bit. Well, yeah, I can't talk on screenplays, 0:02:55.560 --> 0:02:58.520 but books. You've definitely got a book in your stories. 0:02:58.600 --> 0:03:01.080 Yeah, if you get a book, you get a screenplay. 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:05.359 Okay, Okay, we'll start writing when we'll be finished shortly 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:08.280 and you can start putting pend the paper and get 0:03:08.320 --> 0:03:14.239 the story highs and layers. You've been lived over in Hawaii. 0:03:14.680 --> 0:03:18.240 You have worked as a waitress, ended up as a stripper. 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.680 Then you've got into drugs. Drugs has taken hold of you. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:25.960 You started dealing drugs. You've done time in prison. You 0:03:26.080 --> 0:03:30.880 manage brothels and all sorts of places, massage parlors, very 0:03:31.440 --> 0:03:34.880 different type of life living outside what and let's call 0:03:34.920 --> 0:03:37.880 them the probably too offensive saying the straight e one eighties, 0:03:37.880 --> 0:03:40.760 but the normal life. What steered you into that type 0:03:40.800 --> 0:03:42.080 of lifestyle was. 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:46.600 Probably because I never really lived a straight life. I mean, 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:51.000 my father was in the acting community, and he had 0:03:51.640 --> 0:03:56.000 I had a million uncles, Like when in the fifties 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.040 and sixties and seventies, when it wasn't cool to be gay, 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:01.119 there was a lot of uncles in the acting industry, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:07.200 and so I've kind of never really lived a straight life. 0:04:07.840 --> 0:04:10.120 It's always been a little left to center. Even though 0:04:10.160 --> 0:04:12.360 my mother and father never did anything wrong, I've never 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.640 lived like if my mother was a pharmacist. My father 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:19.440 was an actor and also owned in the old days, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:24.000 owned a truck company and then did real estate, So 0:04:24.080 --> 0:04:26.120 that's as bout as straight as we got, you know. 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:31.080 And he was having an affair with his secretary, so 0:04:31.080 --> 0:04:33.800 that's kind of really which I knew about. So that's 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:37.800 as about as straight as my life got. So other 0:04:37.880 --> 0:04:41.640 than nursing, I don't think my life's ever been that straight. 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:47.720 And nursing was overtaken by my intoverted commas addiction to cocaine. 0:04:47.920 --> 0:04:49.440 So that's why I got at nursing and went on 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.760 ships where cocaine was more prevalent, so I could do 0:04:52.839 --> 0:04:53.560 it more often. 0:04:53.720 --> 0:04:56.040 Okay, and I suppose, and we're going to dive deep 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:58.160 into that, into the world of drugs. But also it 0:04:58.200 --> 0:05:02.800 was during that time it was experimental. People were trying 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:04.800 that in the world that you were mixing. 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:09.000 It was the norm in Hawaii, Yeah, because that's where 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:11.600 I got into. Like when I was twelve and a half, 0:05:12.000 --> 0:05:14.440 I did a hit an acid here in Australia, but 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.760 my drug days didn't start until Hawaii when I was nineteen. 0:05:19.839 --> 0:05:21.520 How did you get into acid at twelve and a. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:23.800 Half, Well, just because I went to a private school 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:27.200 and people did that. Who knows, I don't know. It's 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:30.400 just the thing we did, you know. I know I 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:31.880 did acid before I had a joint. 0:05:31.960 --> 0:05:35.440 It was just very strange. 0:05:36.600 --> 0:05:38.640 Fifteen we were going at fifteen, I was going to 0:05:38.680 --> 0:05:41.360 a place called Joseph's Coat, which was down in Piermont, 0:05:41.839 --> 0:05:43.840 and we were all doing acid down there. Nobody was 0:05:43.839 --> 0:05:46.400 smoking joints in my group. We were all doing. 0:05:46.200 --> 0:05:49.800 Acid, okay bypass thee. 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.240 Yeah, well we did that on the side, but that 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:54.800 was not the big thing. The thin big thing was acid. 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:58.920 I don't know why anyway, but my main drug thing 0:05:59.120 --> 0:06:04.640 came in where cocaine was real cocaine, where it came 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:08.120 straight from South America. Like I had a deal of 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.120 friend who got on a plane literally with a bag 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:15.320 full of money, like a suitcase full of money, went 0:06:15.360 --> 0:06:19.240 to lax, dropped the bag over to the guy who 0:06:19.240 --> 0:06:22.080 picked up his suitcase and came back. So I was 0:06:22.160 --> 0:06:25.640 pink off the rock. South American cocaine hadn't been cut down, 0:06:25.760 --> 0:06:28.000 hadn't been cut down nothing. So that's the kind of 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:30.479 cocaine we were doing here in Australia. 0:06:30.680 --> 0:06:30.840 Now. 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:32.720 I when I was living in Hawaii, I used to 0:06:32.760 --> 0:06:35.200 come home every two years. And when I came home 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:39.520 for the first time after the two years, my best 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:41.920 friend was on heroin. But you know, we won't go there. 0:06:43.120 --> 0:06:45.760 I would find some coke somewhere and it was like 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.560 I did, I'm like, really, what is this? You know? 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:52.640 So the next time I came over, I bought some 0:06:52.760 --> 0:06:55.240 with me right, so that they could see what real 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:56.080 stuff was like. 0:06:56.480 --> 0:06:59.719 Okay, in the in the all the different stages of 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:01.760 your life, whether it was in Hawaii. When it was 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.600 living here in Australia, What was the high of your 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:07.840 life was? What do you look back and think that 0:07:07.880 --> 0:07:09.800 was a great period of life. 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:16.520 Probably moving to Hawaii. I think that really because I've 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.240 never been an Australian fan per se. You know, because 0:07:21.240 --> 0:07:23.120 going back to my father, I have a father who 0:07:23.280 --> 0:07:27.400 is who was an Australiana freak. If it wasn't for 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.800 my father, I'd probably be an American citizen now. But 0:07:29.840 --> 0:07:31.840 he said if disown me if I became an American 0:07:31.840 --> 0:07:35.720 citizen when I married an American. But moving to Hawaii 0:07:35.880 --> 0:07:39.240 was probably, to be honest, probably the highlight of my 0:07:39.280 --> 0:07:43.160 life because while living in Hawaii, I got my degrees, 0:07:43.560 --> 0:07:47.200 I worked on cruise liners, like the best job in 0:07:47.240 --> 0:07:51.000 the world. That would be the highlight of highlights, and 0:07:51.360 --> 0:07:54.200 had a great life, you know. So that because my 0:07:55.040 --> 0:07:58.560 in inverted commas again addiction to cocaine, which I never 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:01.360 saw as an addiction up until right until the end 0:08:02.560 --> 0:08:04.360 when it got really bad. But the rest of the 0:08:04.400 --> 0:08:07.320 time it was like, oh, we're going out, let's do 0:08:07.440 --> 0:08:08.080 So it was your. 0:08:07.960 --> 0:08:11.720 Party drunk exactly exactly okay, And you mentioned your father 0:08:11.800 --> 0:08:15.160 and just to put the listeners in so they understand 0:08:15.520 --> 0:08:18.400 he played Bob Hatfield in the country practice, that's right, 0:08:18.440 --> 0:08:22.920 and that's pre paid TV and everything else. That was 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:26.240 a huge show in Australia and I think thirty countries 0:08:26.280 --> 0:08:28.400 across the world, and he was one of the main characters. 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:31.080 Yeah, it was. But the thing is that that was 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:34.200 his part. That's what he was remembered for. But he 0:08:34.360 --> 0:08:38.200 also the first thing I ever saw my father do 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:41.319 was when I was about six or seven years old, 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:43.800 and it was a swing soft drink and it's the 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:45.760 swing soft drink man. Nothing that you do it with 0:08:45.760 --> 0:08:48.960 the seft drink service. You've been eaten for swing self drinks. 0:08:49.280 --> 0:08:52.319 That's what my father was to me, okay, And then 0:08:53.000 --> 0:08:56.760 all my life he did community theater, he did ads, 0:08:56.840 --> 0:08:59.959 he did stuff on ABC TV. He did with Leonard 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.520 Teal who was also a really bit of actor who we 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:06.880 called Uncle Len. He did what were the first like videos, 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:09.760 so they were what were called fill ins on ABC. 0:09:10.200 --> 0:09:12.719 So between six twenty five and six point thirty when 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:17.240 Belbert started, they used to do a music video. Dad 0:09:17.240 --> 0:09:20.920 would do the filming and Leonard Uncle Lenn would do 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.640 the music. The you know, there'd be a poem or 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.160 something to it. They'd do some sort of story to 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:28.439 it with Uncle Len's voice. 0:09:28.880 --> 0:09:31.079 Leonard Teele he was a big actor in these times too, 0:09:31.200 --> 0:09:32.160 wasn't he Homicide? 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:36.280 I think homicide was his big one. He's really big one. 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:40.480 So Dad was in homicide, rip, tied water, rats, all 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:46.280 of them. Everything. But what happened was after mum died, 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:49.000 when my mother died very early. My mother died when 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:52.160 she was forty four of cancer of the bladder, so Dad, 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.280 So that was in nineteen eighty one, and Dad in 0:09:55.360 --> 0:09:59.000 nineteen eighty when she said no more, I'm not doing 0:09:59.000 --> 0:10:01.360 any more treatments or any I'm just going able to go. 0:10:02.080 --> 0:10:04.920 So he stopped working in nineteen eighty and started writing 0:10:04.960 --> 0:10:07.520 a book on Ben Hall, who he's one of Australia's 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:11.800 authorities on Now all this time, I'm in Hawaii, right, 0:10:11.800 --> 0:10:14.480 I'm not here in Australia. And then in nineteen eighty 0:10:14.520 --> 0:10:16.480 one I came over to look after my mother for 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:18.120 the last three months of her life because I was 0:10:18.160 --> 0:10:22.560 an ICU nurse. And when I went back, I went 0:10:22.600 --> 0:10:25.400 back into July. I stayed until after their wedding anniversary. 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:27.840 I went back into the July he called me in 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:31.680 the October. I remember it so well, so all my 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:33.920 life he's been an actor, right, But he calls me 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:35.520 in the October and I'm in bed and I'm watching 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:39.400 Johnny Carson ten o'clock at night, and he goes, oh, 0:10:39.440 --> 0:10:42.640 my nickname he never knew my real name. My nickname's Bugs. 0:10:42.640 --> 0:10:45.679 He goes, oh, hi, Bugs, just letting you know. I've 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:48.800 got a part in a new show. And I said, oh, yeah, 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:50.920 what is it? Here in my thinking, he goes, oh, 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:54.760 it's about a country doctor. I'm like, okay, here we go. 0:10:55.200 --> 0:10:57.520 It's all creatures great and small. It's on Channel two 0:10:57.920 --> 0:11:00.840 and you know, way to go dad, And he goes, 0:11:00.960 --> 0:11:03.320 it's called a country practice. I said, okay, We're good 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:07.040 on you. You know. That's how it is. So two 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:11.080 years later, because I come back every two years, I 0:11:11.160 --> 0:11:15.640 came back to my father at the airport with about 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:19.160 thirty people around him trying to get his autograph and 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:23.680 me standing over here, going dad die. And so then 0:11:23.720 --> 0:11:26.200 I kind of realized that he had the part that 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.319 my mother had been praying for all her life. 0:11:29.600 --> 0:11:32.200 You know, well, that's it was a different time. Wasn't 0:11:32.360 --> 0:11:35.240 like you had your movie stars, but the TV stars 0:11:35.280 --> 0:11:38.360 were big, especially in this country, and the Shaw like 0:11:38.400 --> 0:11:41.280 that am for years and one of the one of 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:45.000 the main characters. I've asked the best time in your life, 0:11:45.160 --> 0:11:48.600 your years in Hawaii, worst time in your life. 0:11:48.480 --> 0:11:52.280 Worst time, worst day was the first day in jail. 0:11:53.320 --> 0:11:57.679 I retract that worst time, worst day was the first 0:11:57.720 --> 0:11:59.120 time in the SPC. 0:11:58.880 --> 0:12:01.440 Cells US and the jails. 0:12:01.200 --> 0:12:04.800 One hundred percent worse, one thousand percent worse because I 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.600 was busted on a long weekend Queen's birthday. What was 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.000 the Queen's birthday? Long weekend on the eighth of June 0:12:10.080 --> 0:12:12.920 ninety ninety one, So I was in those cells. 0:12:12.920 --> 0:12:14.680 You've got the pleasure of staying down there. 0:12:14.640 --> 0:12:18.319 Saturday, Sunday and Monday. Didn't get out to Malawa until 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.319 the Tuesday because I had a bail hearing. I think 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:24.600 I had a hearing either on the Sunday or the Monday. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:26.680 It must have been on the Sunday because then't have 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.400 to do it within a certain amount of time. I'm 0:12:28.400 --> 0:12:32.160 pretty sure it was a ridiculous thing. Anyway, they weren't 0:12:32.160 --> 0:12:32.360 going to. 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.800 Go You're not the first person to sit in that 0:12:34.880 --> 0:12:38.280 chair and complain about the cells at the SPC. It's 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:43.120 a pressive, no light, sad, a bunker. 0:12:43.080 --> 0:12:46.520 Doing things they shouldn't be doing. And then the shower 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:49.760 from memory was I don't know what it's like now, 0:12:49.960 --> 0:12:52.480 but the shower from memory was out in the open 0:12:52.760 --> 0:12:57.280 like there was nothing. There was no privacy whatsoever. So 0:12:57.400 --> 0:13:00.800 I would say, yes, that would be the worst, and 0:13:00.880 --> 0:13:05.360 at the same time realizing what was happening, you know, 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:08.080 like because I wasn't drunk or high or anything, because 0:13:08.120 --> 0:13:10.360 I was just out of bed when they came in, 0:13:10.760 --> 0:13:16.160 and so it was after I'd been interviewed for interrogated 0:13:16.240 --> 0:13:19.320 for ten hours or eight hours, then I go down 0:13:19.360 --> 0:13:23.400 into these cells, into this hell hole, and then the 0:13:23.440 --> 0:13:26.360 realization and never being in jail before and never being 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:28.719 around these kind of people before, because the people I 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:32.200 dealt with were you know, Oxford Street gay, so I mean, 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:35.959 they weren't these people. And I was like, oh my god, 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:38.320 this is what it's going to be like. This is what, 0:13:38.920 --> 0:13:41.920 however long is going to be like. And so that 0:13:42.080 --> 0:13:43.280 was probably the worst day. 0:13:43.559 --> 0:13:47.480 Okay, Okay, well it's highs and lows in life. You 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:50.760 haven't lived a flat line life, No, That's definitely had 0:13:50.840 --> 0:13:53.520 it's ups and downs. Now we'll put a disclaimer out 0:13:53.520 --> 0:13:56.320 here because I know in the conversation I've had with 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.880 you and sitting down with you now, you're very forthright 0:13:58.920 --> 0:14:01.160 in your opinions and you're moments and the life that 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.760 you've lived. And if there's people people shocked by what 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:10.040 we talk about all discussions, my thought is that we 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.640 want to take people in a true crime podcast into 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:15.240 the world of world of crime, and that involves in 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:18.600 drugs and the sex industry and jail and all that. 0:14:18.640 --> 0:14:21.520 So people might be shocked, But I just want people 0:14:21.600 --> 0:14:24.880 to understand that you've come in here very kindly and 0:14:24.960 --> 0:14:28.960 you're going to tell us about your life. I find fascinating. 0:14:30.240 --> 0:14:33.000 In a life. I mean, you know, people say to me, like, 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:36.040 you've led a life, and I'm like, yeah, And I 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.120 went to I was born and raised in Bankstown, So 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:39.920 I went to Bankstown West Public School and then I 0:14:39.920 --> 0:14:42.360 went to marrit And Ladies' College. We never know had 0:14:42.360 --> 0:14:47.720 a really stable, what people would think of as stable 0:14:47.800 --> 0:14:49.480 Bankstown family life. 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.880 Well, I suppose that it exposes you to other things 0:14:52.880 --> 0:14:55.160 in life that a lot of people don't get exposed 0:14:55.160 --> 0:14:56.080 to their whole life. 0:14:56.160 --> 0:14:58.920 Well that's exactly what happened, you know, on my eighteenth 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:05.480 birthday of my father and mother and me standing at 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.520 the back of our Bankstown house, next to the barbecue 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:13.000 smoking a joint. You know, that's just how it was. 0:15:13.200 --> 0:15:15.160 Okay, Well, did you enjoy your childhood? 0:15:15.720 --> 0:15:17.880 I had a great childhood. I really had a great childhood. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:22.160 I really until dad started the affair. It was great, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:25.440 It was fantastic. And that killed my mother. That didn't 0:15:25.480 --> 0:15:30.360 kill me, that didn't kill my brother. That just she 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:35.800 idolized my father. My grandmother who I idolized, who I 0:15:36.000 --> 0:15:40.920 cry over every day. She hated my father for what 0:15:41.160 --> 0:15:45.240 he did to her. I mean, but you know it 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:46.760 was their marriage, wasn't mine? 0:15:46.960 --> 0:15:47.200 Yeah? 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:48.640 Yeah, but that took a lot too. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:53.440 It's life. There's paying with the joy, isn't he on that? Now? 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:56.960 At nineteen, I think you got an inheritance from an 0:15:57.040 --> 0:16:01.040 uncle or from my auntie, from your auntie, So at nineteen, 0:16:01.480 --> 0:16:03.440 I think it was nineteen when you went to Hawaii. 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:05.440 You were going over there to an acting school. Was 0:16:05.480 --> 0:16:05.840 that now? 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.080 I was going I had a letter of introduction in 0:16:09.200 --> 0:16:12.520 New York to the Stella Adler studio. Stella Adler was 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:16.880 an actor from my father, but a girlfriend of mine 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:20.080 Sandra was going to Hawaii. She'd already been there. She'd 0:16:20.120 --> 0:16:22.840 met this guy named Mark. She was in love with him, 0:16:22.960 --> 0:16:24.720 and I said, oh, well, i'll stop off in Hawaii 0:16:24.720 --> 0:16:27.160 with you. Now. In those days, so I've already got 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:30.840 the inheritance. And in those days, one dollar Australian was 0:16:30.840 --> 0:16:33.680 worth two dollars American. Okay, very unlike today. 0:16:33.920 --> 0:16:34.600 So you were rich. 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:36.760 I was, you know, I had some money behind me. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:39.560 So anyway, I was on my way to New York. 0:16:40.040 --> 0:16:42.440 I'll stop off in Hawaii with you. He lived in 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:45.440 a penhouse which was in an old what's called the 0:16:45.480 --> 0:16:48.800 Hippy Hilton on Seaside Avenue, which was like a four 0:16:48.880 --> 0:16:53.000 story nineteen thirties building with this huge leni which is 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:57.720 a Patiell and huge beautiful appartment for those days, right, 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.320 and so Andrew was going over because she was in 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:03.320 love with him, and she sold up all the stuff 0:17:03.360 --> 0:17:05.800 and she was on her way to see Mark. Well 0:17:07.000 --> 0:17:07.560 went home to. 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:11.000 Mark nd up your husband? Yeah, okay, okay. 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.199 So Sandra went home after a month, I didn't end 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:18.000 up in Stella Adlas Studios, and I ended up marrying 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.680 Mark back here two years later. 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:24.119 Okay, So what attracted you to Mark. 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.560 Oh, probably his looks and the fact he lives in Hawaii. Yeah, 0:17:28.640 --> 0:17:31.399 oh yeah. He was a semi pro serfer and a chef, 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:35.320 not a chef, but not a not a certified chef, 0:17:35.320 --> 0:17:36.760 but a chef, you know what I mean. 0:17:36.800 --> 0:17:38.560 So he would have bearn a big thing in Hawaii. 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:40.800 He was a big thing. He had long blonde hair, 0:17:41.480 --> 0:17:47.120 really good looking from New York. He looked like one 0:17:47.119 --> 0:17:50.679 of the guys from Big Weddnesday, Jan Michael Vincent. So 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:53.600 he was the exact replica of Jen Michael Vincent for 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:54.920 anybody who knows who he. 0:17:55.000 --> 0:17:57.719 Is, one of my favorite movies Big Wednesday. 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.359 Anyway, he I have photos from when they were making it, 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.080 actually because I used to have a really good camera 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:06.080 and I was out there on the North Shore and 0:18:06.119 --> 0:18:08.720 I actually took photos of Reno Abilera, who was in 0:18:09.600 --> 0:18:13.600 Big Wednesday as one of the surfers, right, and I 0:18:13.880 --> 0:18:16.800 actually my photos were on the wall of his seurch shop. 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.159 Oh cool, Okay, I made it into post. Well, I 0:18:20.160 --> 0:18:23.360 can see that you were nineteen at the time, So 0:18:23.400 --> 0:18:26.080 a nine year old girl traveling from Australia on the 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:30.639 way to New York got sidetracked and you ended up 0:18:30.920 --> 0:18:34.560 in a relationship with him and that's when you started. 0:18:34.840 --> 0:18:36.639 Did you start using drugs at that stage? 0:18:36.720 --> 0:18:39.880 Or we were just smoking, just smoking coke, just smoking pot. 0:18:40.280 --> 0:18:44.800 I mean, really, anybody in Hawaii from the age of 0:18:44.920 --> 0:18:50.040 five to one hundred and five smoked marijuana. It was 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:53.879 the thing. Everybody did it. Coke was again the thing 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.439 you did on the weekend if you really wanted to. 0:18:56.680 --> 0:18:59.440 You didn't really need to because there was a drug 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:03.680 around it that time called kuludes, and kaludes were really big, 0:19:04.040 --> 0:19:07.200 and so you got the kuludes from a doctor and 0:19:07.280 --> 0:19:12.040 they were prescription description no no from description, and they 0:19:12.119 --> 0:19:14.359 were I don't know what they were really used for. 0:19:14.960 --> 0:19:17.679 I think they were used as a sleeping tablet. You know, 0:19:17.880 --> 0:19:20.120 they had to be a sleeping tablet because you took 0:19:20.119 --> 0:19:22.160 a half and you were like nodding off kind of thing. 0:19:22.600 --> 0:19:26.120 But that was the big drug. So you did your 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:29.080 pot during the week and then you went out and 0:19:29.320 --> 0:19:31.520 you dance on them and stuff like that. It was 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:35.920 something that is not around anymore. I can't I can't 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:38.800 describe a drug that would be around. I've never taken 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.600 a row hypnol, so I don't know what that effect, 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:45.679 but the effect that I hear about with row hypnol 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:49.040 is you black out with kuludes. You didn't black out. 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:50.760 You knew exactly what you were doing. You were just 0:19:50.800 --> 0:19:54.120 a bit loose on your feet. You know, you did 0:19:54.160 --> 0:19:56.840 have a few drinks with row hypno, with rohypno, with 0:19:56.920 --> 0:20:02.280 kualudes versus with X to see right, But they were 0:20:02.280 --> 0:20:06.240 the drugs. So coke just was another on the sideline 0:20:06.320 --> 0:20:09.479 kind of thing. It wasn't until much later in life, 0:20:10.320 --> 0:20:14.639 like I'm talking, until I got just while I was 0:20:14.720 --> 0:20:17.480 nursing and until I got on the ships that my 0:20:17.640 --> 0:20:19.400 coke use actually. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:21.800 Is at the point in time when you realize that, 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:25.000 oh that this is detrimental. It's not enhancing my life, 0:20:25.040 --> 0:20:26.280 it's what coke. 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:31.280 Yeah, well I didn't even realize it. My Yeah, people 0:20:31.359 --> 0:20:34.600 around me and the guy who I actually ended up 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:39.280 marrying after Mark actually pushed me onto the plane to 0:20:39.320 --> 0:20:42.680 get me back here to straighten me out from it, 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:46.160 because literally I was like I was on the plane 0:20:47.080 --> 0:20:49.720 and they were I must have looked terrible. I really 0:20:49.800 --> 0:20:52.399 must have looked terrible. And I had a black dress on. 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:54.920 I remember having a black dress on, and I had 0:20:55.040 --> 0:20:58.120 sweat marks like this, and so I was stopped by 0:20:58.119 --> 0:21:01.720 customs in my suitcase. So my father was in a 0:21:01.760 --> 0:21:04.600 country patress by this time. In my suitcase was a 0:21:04.600 --> 0:21:07.240 picture of Dad. So anyway, he's going through the suitcase, 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.120 he comes across the photo of my father. He said, 0:21:09.119 --> 0:21:11.159 who's this? I said, my father, And he put the 0:21:11.160 --> 0:21:13.480 photo of my father back down in close suitcase and said, 0:21:13.480 --> 0:21:14.120 go on through. 0:21:14.440 --> 0:21:15.959 It was handy, very handy. 0:21:16.240 --> 0:21:18.360 Then I got home and found a Graham in my wallet. 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:22.639