WEBVTT - Sharri | 16 July 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:05.040 Live on Sky News. This is Shari. 0:00:06.559 --> 0:00:08.080 Good evening and welcome to the show. 0:00:08.119 --> 0:00:11.040 I'm Danikiti, Giorgio filling in this week for Shari. 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.480 Marks and coming up tonight. All China had to do. 0:00:13.520 --> 0:00:16.120 Was put on a banquet and do a musical sing along, 0:00:16.480 --> 0:00:19.800 and it's wood our Prime Minister. What has Anthony Alberanesi 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:24.040 actually achieved during his trip so far? Big Australia keeps 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:27.600 getting bigger. A record number of arrivals entered the country 0:00:27.680 --> 0:00:30.800 last month. A British girl is sent home from her 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:32.479 school's diversity day. 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:34.200 For wearing a union jack dress. 0:00:34.320 --> 0:00:36.519 We'll go live to London for the latest on this 0:00:36.720 --> 0:00:40.720 identity madness. And young adults are refusing to have kids 0:00:40.760 --> 0:00:43.120 because they have climate anxiety. 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.800 You heard that correct. More on this climate zelatory shortly, 0:00:47.400 --> 0:00:48.240 but first tonight. 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:52.560 What has actually changed in our relationship with China during 0:00:52.640 --> 0:00:56.400 Anthony Alberanesi's trip, Because it seems this is the same 0:00:56.440 --> 0:00:59.680 old China making all of the rules and the Prime 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:04.200 Minister bends over backwards to a peace. In fact, all 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.080 it takes, apparently is a big banquet and a musical 0:01:07.120 --> 0:01:11.640 sing along and Albow is charmed by the Red Communist lights. 0:01:12.600 --> 0:01:13.119 I've got to. 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:20.080 Say that the band there in the Great Hall played 0:01:21.319 --> 0:01:26.720 a different version of Paul Kelly's to Her Door of Midnight, 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:30.080 Earl's Power and the Passion of a range of songs 0:01:30.080 --> 0:01:34.319 as well. That obviously took them a long period of time, 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:40.759 and those gestures matter, respect matters between countries, and I 0:01:40.880 --> 0:01:46.760 think I took that as being a very warm gesture indeed, 0:01:46.800 --> 0:01:51.760 and they did it very well, I must say as 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:57.720 well powder Finger as well, they did the full kitten kervertle, 0:01:58.400 --> 0:02:00.680 and so it was a splendid occasion. 0:02:01.760 --> 0:02:05.120 Wow, dining room diplomacy in the Great Hall, throwing a 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:08.440 bit of Peter Garrett, Paul Kelly and some flattery and boom, 0:02:08.720 --> 0:02:12.160 you can apparently sell anything to this Prime Minister. I mean, 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.360 never mind, China is our greatest strategic threat, but a 0:02:15.400 --> 0:02:17.440 couple of chords of power and the passion and the 0:02:17.480 --> 0:02:20.800 power is all yours, Shijingping. I mean, if China wasn't 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:25.200 so dangerous, you'd laugh and make no mistake, Beijing is 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:29.440 absolutely reveling in the pleasantries, the pomp and ceremony and 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:33.320 how it looks to the world, especially at a time 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.480 when Australia is under pressure from its number one ally 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:40.280 the United States, to increased defense spending and declare what 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:44.280 it would do should China go to war with Taiwan. So, 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:47.080 of course, the front page of China's mouthpiece, the China 0:02:47.160 --> 0:02:50.880 Daily is today hailing the visit a triumph, saying the 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:55.200 turnaround in China Australia ties benefits both and that President 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:58.800 She told the PM that the turnaround of China Australia 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:02.919 relations has proved adhering to the principles of treating each 0:03:02.960 --> 0:03:07.560 other as equals. Seeking common ground while shelving differences is 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:10.880 in line with the fundamental interests of both China and 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:15.600 Australia as well as their peoples. In other words, look out, 0:03:15.600 --> 0:03:18.040 Donald Trump, if you want China on side, be a 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:23.440 lapdog like Anthony Albinizi. But the hypocrisy of it, China 0:03:23.520 --> 0:03:27.919 has not treated us as it's equal. Remember the live 0:03:28.000 --> 0:03:31.320 fire drills off our coasts, the spiceships sent our way, 0:03:31.639 --> 0:03:35.200 the military near misses, the punitive tariffs and Australian goods, 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:38.400 and of course a lack of investigation into the origins 0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:42.440 of coronavirus. This is of course, all about how Albo's 0:03:42.520 --> 0:03:46.200 visit looks for Beijing. To the world, and the handsome 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:49.360 boy from Australia is all too willing to oblige, as 0:03:49.360 --> 0:03:51.480 he stood at the Great Wall of China today with 0:03:51.560 --> 0:03:53.560 his Rabbito's hat at top his head. 0:03:54.720 --> 0:03:57.560 Here today, of course, I have the sense of history 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.040 following in the footsteps of the Labor Prime Minister GoF Whitlam, 0:04:02.080 --> 0:04:05.400 who was the first Prime minister to visit here in 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:10.840 nineteen seventy three. It followed the correct decision that he 0:04:10.920 --> 0:04:15.120 made as leader of the Labor Party in nineteen seventy one, 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.560 and that was of course at the time when that 0:04:18.680 --> 0:04:24.400 was a controversial decision to recognize the People's Republic of China. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.760 Well, it was a very different China when GoF Whitlam 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.679 visited in the seventies. I mean, first and foremost, China 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:34.160 wasn't conducting light fire drills off our coast and secondly, 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.159 it wasn't undermining our sovereignty in the process. But the 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:41.719 PM can't bring himself to push back, and that is 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:42.480 the issue. 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:46.719 I say the same thing in Beijing as I say 0:04:47.080 --> 0:04:52.360 in Bankstown, which is that the Australian government supports free 0:04:52.440 --> 0:04:55.120 and fair trade. It's in the interests of the world 0:04:55.600 --> 0:04:58.400 to have free and fair trade and will continue to 0:04:58.440 --> 0:05:02.280 engage that way. I've seen that will cooperate where we can, 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:06.279 disagree where we must, but engage in our national interest. 0:05:07.160 --> 0:05:09.880 Well, what does the PM actually disagree with China on 0:05:10.320 --> 0:05:13.240 and what has actually changed to benefit Australia. 0:05:13.360 --> 0:05:15.320 Who really is cooperating. 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:17.920 Where they can and disagreeing where we must, Because it 0:05:17.920 --> 0:05:20.960 seems there's a lot of what China wants but not 0:05:21.120 --> 0:05:25.080 what we want. In fact, Beijing has played elbow like 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:29.000 a puppet. China's state media issued this morning today to 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:32.800 the PM in an editorial in The Global Times, saying 0:05:32.839 --> 0:05:36.600 at present there are specific issues between China and Australia 0:05:36.680 --> 0:05:39.279 that need to be discussed, such as the lease of 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:43.120 daw And Port and the expansion of the China Australia 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.160 Free Trade Agreement. But the PM today said he didn't 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:49.320 even raise the issue during a meeting with Chinese premiere 0:05:49.600 --> 0:05:50.200 last night. 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:55.359 Did that issue come up in your two hour discussion 0:05:55.440 --> 0:05:56.599 with Premier lead? 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.839 And secondly, are. 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.480 You are you prepared for Australia to be put back 0:06:03.520 --> 0:06:06.200 into the deep trees over that issue? 0:06:06.760 --> 0:06:11.599 Well, the answer is no, and the answer as well 0:06:11.640 --> 0:06:14.640 that shouldn't come as any surprise. I've had the same 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:20.839 position as when I was the Shadow Infrastructure Minister when 0:06:20.839 --> 0:06:25.080 the decision was made to provide a federal incentive by 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.480 the Liberal Party to flog off the Port of Darwin. 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.080 My position hasn't changed over a long period of time, 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:32.080 not to the first. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:35.440 And yesterday the PM insisted the Port of Darwin did 0:06:35.480 --> 0:06:38.359 not need to be raised with President Chijing Ping, despite 0:06:38.360 --> 0:06:40.120 promising to take it back from China. 0:06:41.040 --> 0:06:44.560 I don't need to sorry to jump in none. It 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.200 wasn't raised. I can't be clear. 0:06:46.040 --> 0:06:47.800 As any were any issues raised by him. 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.480 I can't be clearer than to say the question I 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:52.599 was asked was not raised. 0:06:53.080 --> 0:06:55.640 I mean, it's so clear the Prime Minister is terrified 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.480 of offending and this latest warning from China tells you 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.760 that when Alia does something that anoys Beijing, we go 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.400 back to square one again in the deep freeze. The 0:07:06.400 --> 0:07:10.000 Global Times went on to say there are also practical obstacles, 0:07:10.240 --> 0:07:16.200 especially the tendencies toward Pan politization and Pan securization, as 0:07:16.200 --> 0:07:19.960 well as interference from third parties. Now clearly this is 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:23.760 a veiled reference to the Trump administration. China is publicly 0:07:23.840 --> 0:07:27.680 throwing its support behind Anthony Albanesi while trying to drive 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:31.119 a wedge between Australia and the United States when China 0:07:31.200 --> 0:07:34.240 sees the US and ANSAs as a military threat to 0:07:34.280 --> 0:07:39.560 its own ambitions. Premierly also repeatedly pressured Anthony Abanesi to 0:07:39.600 --> 0:07:43.800 treat Chinese companies in a fair, open and non discriminatory manner. 0:07:44.080 --> 0:07:47.560 During a speech to Australian and Chinese business leaders, he said, 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.880 we hope that the Australian side will treat Chinese enterprises 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:54.920 visiting Australia fairly and properly solve the problems encountered by 0:07:55.120 --> 0:08:00.040 enterprises in market access, investment review and other aspects. I 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.640 fancy China dictating to us what fair market access actually 0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:09.840 looks like. Remember China's tariffs on balley, beef, wine, cotton, lobsters, 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.920 the issues that created and all because of Australia's push 0:08:14.000 --> 0:08:18.000 for an independent investigation into the origins of COVID nineteen. 0:08:18.560 --> 0:08:20.320 But Albo seems to think this is all in the 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.040 spirit of diplomacy. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:25.760 And one of the things that my government does is 0:08:25.800 --> 0:08:30.560 engage in diplomacy. We don't shout with megaphones. We engage 0:08:30.560 --> 0:08:33.240 in diplomacy. That is in Australia's interest. 0:08:34.000 --> 0:08:35.679 So really nothing has changed. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.160 It's the same old China making all of the rules 0:08:39.240 --> 0:08:42.160 and it's all for show for the world, and Albo 0:08:42.320 --> 0:08:44.520 is enabling it by being so weak on the world 0:08:44.559 --> 0:08:46.800 stage and not standing up for our values. 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:48.920 I mean, I don't know. Maybe it'll take a. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.480 Musical sing along for the Prime Minister to understand what's 0:08:51.520 --> 0:08:54.720 at stake. After all, all it takes to wu Albo 0:08:54.880 --> 0:09:09.679 is a bit of Midnight Oil's power and passion. Yeah, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:12.280 and Peter Garrett saying there, sometimes you've got to take 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:13.320 the hardest line. 0:09:13.679 --> 0:09:16.760 What a shame the Handsome boy didn't get that memo. 0:09:20.840 --> 0:09:23.760 Joining us now is former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:26.280 Kroger and former Labor Senator Graham Richardson. 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:27.240 Hi to both of you. 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:29.360 Thank you so much for joining me on the show. 0:09:29.480 --> 0:09:33.520 Let's start with Anthony Abernezi's meetings in China and dealings 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.360 with China. In fact, in the last hour the Prime 0:09:36.400 --> 0:09:39.640 Minister has been meeting with Chinese diplomats for a bit 0:09:39.640 --> 0:09:41.080 of panda diplomacy. 0:09:41.200 --> 0:09:41.760 Have a look at this. 0:09:42.920 --> 0:09:46.520 When I hosted Premier League in Australia last year for 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:52.720 our annual Leader's dialogue. Premier League graciously agreed to the 0:09:52.840 --> 0:09:56.760 request that we had made to have two of your 0:09:56.880 --> 0:10:03.880 ambassadors known as pandas visit Adelaide and to replace the 0:10:03.960 --> 0:10:11.959 pandas who have been such an important positive feature of 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:17.680 building the relations between Australia and this province in particular. 0:10:17.840 --> 0:10:21.920 And I thank these province for the arrival of our 0:10:22.320 --> 0:10:26.480 two newest guests in Adelaide, who have been so well received. 0:10:27.679 --> 0:10:30.160 It's all very sweet, all very kind, is it. And 0:10:30.240 --> 0:10:32.160 let me just give you both a reminder. This is 0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:34.360 all it takes to woo Anthony Albanezi. 0:10:35.720 --> 0:10:36.240 I've got to. 0:10:36.200 --> 0:10:43.200 Say that the band there in the Great Hall played 0:10:44.440 --> 0:10:49.840 a different version of Paul Kelly's to Her Door of Midnight, 0:10:49.840 --> 0:10:53.640 Earl's Power and the Passion powder Finger as well they 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:58.000 did the full kitten Kerbrtle and so it was a 0:10:58.040 --> 0:10:59.679 splendid occasion. 0:11:00.080 --> 0:11:02.880 Michael, nothing like a musical sing along from our greatest 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.200 strategic threat to get the PM on side. I mean, 0:11:05.240 --> 0:11:07.280 you've got to actually wonder what Australia is getting out 0:11:07.320 --> 0:11:08.959 of this. I mean, perhaps if we put it to music, 0:11:09.240 --> 0:11:12.079 it might help the PM understand that it's China making 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:12.640 the rules. 0:11:14.520 --> 0:11:17.839 Well, we're eaving a big dose of international humiliation and embarrassment. 0:11:18.760 --> 0:11:22.360 I mean, seriously, this bloke is so diminished after this visit. 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:27.320 You'd think a leader of a strong, powerful, proud middle 0:11:27.400 --> 0:11:29.800 power like Australia. You think the leader, in the hours 0:11:29.840 --> 0:11:33.640 of discussions he's had with the Chinese leadership would raise 0:11:34.600 --> 0:11:39.079 would raise net zero. Why doesn't he ask the Chinese 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:42.840 about not committing to zero, about them building dozens and 0:11:42.880 --> 0:11:45.440 dozens of coal fire power plants, if that's a great 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.160 concern to Alban easy, Why doesn't he ask the Chinese 0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:53.679 about their intentions towards Taiwan. Why doesn't he ask them 0:11:53.720 --> 0:11:56.800 about their relationship with Russia and the fact that they 0:11:56.800 --> 0:12:00.560 are supplying the weapons that are killing Ukrainians. And on 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.720 the trade issue, why wouldn't he ask them to stop 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.640 producing the world's greatest number of fake goods, I mean 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:12.800 fake handbags, fake wallets, any leather goods, fake watches, all 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.960 these fakes ripping off Western brands come out of China. 0:12:16.760 --> 0:12:18.319 You would have thought he might have said, on behalf 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:21.560 of the world, can you stop producing these fakes? But 0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:24.600 all we get is sort of pandas and high tea 0:12:24.600 --> 0:12:29.240 and midnight oil. Alban easy is motivated by one thing, 0:12:29.480 --> 0:12:36.240 not offending voters in Benelong Deacon and Mensies threes and 0:12:36.559 --> 0:12:39.960 any other seat Chisholm, which has got a large proportion 0:12:40.040 --> 0:12:43.440 of Chinese voters. That's basically what this blake's doing about 0:12:43.760 --> 0:12:46.800 doing over there. Otherwise, this whole trip has been a 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:47.679 total humiliation. 0:12:48.400 --> 0:12:51.400 Yeah, it feels like a junket to be honest, I 0:12:51.480 --> 0:12:52.760 just don't understand what's. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:53.280 Been achieved here. 0:12:53.679 --> 0:12:55.840 And Graham, the Primesis has said today he wanted to 0:12:55.840 --> 0:12:58.600 be like GoF Whitlam when he visited China back in 0:12:58.640 --> 0:12:59.280 the seventies. 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:01.080 I'm fair to say that. 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.880 This is a very different China that we are dealing 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:06.200 with right now compared to them. I mean, we're talking 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:09.439 live fire drills off our coast, military near missus, punitive 0:13:09.559 --> 0:13:13.000 tariffs on Australian goods, and all because we dared to 0:13:13.040 --> 0:13:16.040 even say we need a thorough and independent investigation into 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:17.520 the origins of COVID nineteen. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:23.000 Yeah, the Chinese reacted very badly to Australia seeking the truth. 0:13:24.040 --> 0:13:26.240 And yet you know, seeking the truths has got to 0:13:26.280 --> 0:13:29.960 be our job, not just now but forever. We're not 0:13:30.040 --> 0:13:33.880 in the business of nonsense, which is unfortunately still there 0:13:33.880 --> 0:13:39.120 with the Chinese. They're protestations over what happened in the 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:42.080 lab and what didn't. I think it's fairly pathetic. 0:13:43.320 --> 0:13:45.679 And Graham, what do you say about the Prime Minister's 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:46.280 visits so far? 0:13:46.520 --> 0:13:48.160 Realistically? What has he achieved? 0:13:49.840 --> 0:13:52.760 Not a great deal. I don't think he was ever 0:13:52.840 --> 0:13:55.640 going to. I think what these things do is you 0:13:56.160 --> 0:13:59.880 try and start to build a relationship after one has 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:06.720 been carved up. I think obviously with Morris and there 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:10.400 was no relationship at the end, so you're starting from scratch. 0:14:10.440 --> 0:14:11.400 You've got to rebuild. 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:14.679 Yeah, I mean this is I think there's day three 0:14:14.720 --> 0:14:18.400 of the extended six day tour, so more embarrassment to come. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.000 Now let's move on, because former Labor Minister Ed Hugh 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.600 Sick has told the government not to be heavy handed 0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:27.640 when responding to Envoy Gillian Siegel's recommendations to combat rising 0:14:27.680 --> 0:14:28.600 anti Semitism. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:29.920 The backbench MP. 0:14:29.880 --> 0:14:32.920 Has raised concerns about the reports, assertions that young people 0:14:32.960 --> 0:14:36.040 were more at risk of becoming anti Semites and that 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.480 its singled out the ABC for spreading this information. 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:39.240 Have a listened to. 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:42.040 This, so we're going through it right, I'd get careful 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:47.920 about it this early stage. Us taking positions straight away 0:14:48.040 --> 0:14:50.320 on this, Let's take the time to think it through. 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:53.960 It's a lot of thoughts be put into it. 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:57.200 Michael, he's saying, I need time to think it through. 0:14:57.240 --> 0:14:59.840 Has he seen what's been happening in Australia for almost 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:00.560 two years? 0:15:02.600 --> 0:15:05.440 Well, obviously not, I mean quite Frankly, I haven't seen 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.400 any mosques burning down. I haven't seen there are reports, 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.640 but I haven't seen many reports of Muslims being abused, 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:20.120 having to hide there, hide their clothing. I haven't seen, 0:15:20.680 --> 0:15:22.920 you know, all of the demonstrations we've seen against the 0:15:23.000 --> 0:15:26.160 Jewish community in Israel, I haven't seen those against Iran. 0:15:26.240 --> 0:15:29.320 I haven't seen a single demonstration against Iran. I haven't 0:15:29.320 --> 0:15:32.280 seen a single demonstration against Tamas. I haven't heard Humas 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:37.120 condemned at many of these Palestinian allegedly Palestinian rallies, et cetera, 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.400 et cetera, et cetera. I mean, Ed's got to get 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.560 his head out of the sand, and you know, stop 0:15:42.800 --> 0:15:46.200 stop this whole gas lighting. Ever, everyone everyone knows Australia 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:49.960 is in you know, in the sinbin worldwide because of 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:54.080 the massive outbreak of antisemitism and Jewish hatred that has 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:57.240 been on the streets of Melbourne and Sydney and other places, 0:15:57.360 --> 0:16:01.400 at university campuses, at synagogues around this country. Is this 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.880 completely blind? You know? But this, this is what you 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:09.840 get from from people who just ignore reality. And Jillian 0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.040 Siegel produced an outstanding report. Yes, after a lot of thought, 0:16:13.040 --> 0:16:15.240 and let's just hope the albanis the government accepts all 0:16:15.280 --> 0:16:16.320 of her recommendations. 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:18.040 No, look, I absolutely agree. 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:20.840 And you know, meanwhile, the Education Minister Jason Clare said 0:16:20.840 --> 0:16:23.360 today that the government will receive a report from its 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.760 Special Envoy to combat Islamophobia next month. 0:16:27.160 --> 0:16:28.760 Graham, this is the problem with labor. 0:16:28.760 --> 0:16:33.120 At every turn, they've conflated anti Semitism with Islamophobia, as 0:16:33.160 --> 0:16:35.760 if they're both equal in this country right now. 0:16:36.960 --> 0:16:41.040 Well, I'm not sure if they're equal, but I know that, 0:16:42.480 --> 0:16:47.120 you know, the and islam stuff is growing. You know, 0:16:47.440 --> 0:16:52.080 there's always been people who don't like Jews' that's you know, 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:56.080 that's as old as time. You can't get around that. 0:16:57.000 --> 0:16:59.600 And those people can't be you know, talking to a 0:16:59.600 --> 0:17:05.160 better point of view, a more a much kinder point 0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:07.440 of view. They just can't be talked into that they're 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:11.040 going to remain and he said, mites, and you've just 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.199 got to accept the fact that you're going to have 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:13.920 to deal with them. 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:16.439 Well yeah, and I mean that's why I guess that 0:17:16.480 --> 0:17:19.600 there's this report sitting on the Prime Minister's desk waiting 0:17:19.600 --> 0:17:22.920 for review and waiting for some recommendations to be implemented 0:17:22.920 --> 0:17:25.400 as soon as possible. Let's move on now, Melbourne rate 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.080 payers are being built one hundred and thirty thousand dollars 0:17:28.119 --> 0:17:30.600 so that Melbourne Lord Man Nick Reese and three Melbourne 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:33.119 counselors can go to China, Japan and Hong Kong on 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:36.359 a junket flying business class. Nick Reese says the trip 0:17:36.440 --> 0:17:39.520 is a reflection of our incredible multicultural city. The city 0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:42.840 of Melbourne is aggressively hunting international headquarters and we are 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:44.440 putting our best foot forward. 0:17:44.160 --> 0:17:45.280 With this strong delegation. 0:17:45.760 --> 0:17:48.840 Michael Sureley, you'd think someone in the Council would go, gee, 0:17:49.119 --> 0:17:52.199 the optics of this one are not great. 0:17:52.520 --> 0:17:53.919 Not great, and bloody all. 0:17:56.760 --> 0:17:59.560 I think every time a councilor a councilor goes overseas, 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:02.240 it's a line for the newspapers and this is no 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.439 different to that. Look, I think Nick Greece is a 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:08.640 serious lord mayor. He's got three councilors going with him. 0:18:08.640 --> 0:18:12.800 We've got Chinese backgrounds of one description or another. I 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:16.080 know two of those councilors pretty well. He's going to 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:22.000 three cities in China and one city in Japan. I 0:18:22.040 --> 0:18:24.600 hope something comes good out of it. I wish him well. 0:18:24.640 --> 0:18:26.280 I don't think Nick greecee is the type of blake 0:18:26.320 --> 0:18:29.159 who needs a free holiday. So he's got lots of 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:32.000 challenges here and anything you can do to increase the 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:36.200 profile of Melbourne and Victoria good on him. So yet, look, 0:18:36.240 --> 0:18:38.439 the cost is a lot. They should go economy of 0:18:38.440 --> 0:18:42.879 course and stay in three star hotels like normal people. 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:45.560 But I don't mind him going and on this type 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.679 of issue, I trust Nick Greece's judgment quite frankly. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:51.200 Great, we're almost out of time, But what do you think. 0:18:52.280 --> 0:18:56.639 I think I'd substantially agree with what Michael said. I 0:18:56.680 --> 0:19:00.840 do trust Reese's judgment. I think he's a sound sort 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.919 of person, not given the shooting from the hip. You know, 0:19:04.960 --> 0:19:09.639 he considers these positions before he announces them, so I 0:19:10.200 --> 0:19:11.680 think you've just got to trust him. 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.760 All right, Look, fair enough, Graham, Richards and Michael Kraig, 0:19:14.760 --> 0:19:16.240 are good to see you both. Thanks very much for 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:17.320 coming on the show this evening. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:18.040 Appreciate it. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:20.760 We're joining me now to unpack the Prime Minister's trip 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:24.560 to China is shadow Foreign Affairs Minister Michaylia Cash. Senator, 0:19:24.600 --> 0:19:26.240 it's great to see you. Thank you so much for 0:19:26.320 --> 0:19:29.679 joining me. I asked earlier what has actually changed in 0:19:29.720 --> 0:19:33.000 our relationship with China during Anthony Albanese's trip, because it 0:19:33.000 --> 0:19:35.080 seems that this is the same old China making the 0:19:35.160 --> 0:19:38.160 rules and the Prime Minister bends over backwards to appease. 0:19:38.560 --> 0:19:41.360 China's Premier League has urged the PM to ensure Chinese 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.680 companies are treated in a fair, open and non discriminatory way, 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:47.600 while China's state media says the port of Darwin is 0:19:47.640 --> 0:19:50.399 still an issue that needs to be discussed. Senator, the 0:19:50.400 --> 0:19:53.400 PM didn't raise Darwin during his meetings. 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:55.360 But if China has already. 0:19:55.000 --> 0:19:57.239 Handed us this list of demands, well what happens if 0:19:57.280 --> 0:19:57.879 we don't comply? 0:19:58.119 --> 0:20:00.399 Is it deja vu deep freeze all over again. 0:20:02.040 --> 0:20:04.800 Well, let's be clear, Danika that the coalition government wants 0:20:04.800 --> 0:20:08.399 Australia and China to have a good relationship. They are 0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:11.800 an important trading partner. The relationship needs to be a 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.000 respectful one and that respect needs to go both ways. 0:20:16.440 --> 0:20:19.800 Mister Albanesi needs to be very clear. A decision has 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:23.919 been made to return the port of Darwin to Australian control. 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.240 Mister ALBERNIZI needs to be clear in relation to the 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.440 decision and in a respect for relationship, that decision needs 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:35.920 to be respected. I mean the Australian government, like any government, 0:20:36.480 --> 0:20:41.000 makes decisions in relation to foreign investment on a risk based, 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:45.320 case by case basis to ensure that the investment is 0:20:45.359 --> 0:20:48.520 not contrary to our national interest. I mean the Coalition 0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:51.680 has been very clear the return of the Port of 0:20:51.800 --> 0:20:56.960 Darwin to Australian control is in Australia's best interest. Now, 0:20:57.000 --> 0:21:01.879 mister Alberinezi says his government is committed to the return. 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.280 But the issue has arisen. 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:08.360 Mister Albersi has not taken any action Danika to facilitate 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:13.640 the return and his inaction is now creating instability. So 0:21:13.720 --> 0:21:17.439 mister Albersi needs to reaffirm the decision in relation to 0:21:17.480 --> 0:21:21.240 the port of Dara and returning to Australian control. But 0:21:21.359 --> 0:21:24.720 he also needs to be very very clear what actions 0:21:24.920 --> 0:21:27.879 is his government taking to facilitate return. 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:31.959 What is the process, what is the framework? What is 0:21:32.040 --> 0:21:33.119 the timeline? 0:21:33.240 --> 0:21:38.679 Mister Alberzi has created himself by his inaction uncertainty. He 0:21:38.800 --> 0:21:41.320 needs to rectify urgently this situation. 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.040 Oh look absolutely, I just think he's just so petrified 0:21:45.080 --> 0:21:48.199 of offending right now. The PM has downplayed a report 0:21:48.280 --> 0:21:50.840 in The China Daily which claimed he told President she 0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.159 he did not want to support Taiwan's independence. Have a 0:21:54.200 --> 0:21:55.040 listen to what he said. 0:21:58.200 --> 0:22:02.800 You're trying to quote Chinese readout that I haven't seen 0:22:03.760 --> 0:22:08.000 what we what we do. What we do has continue 0:22:08.040 --> 0:22:11.439 to support a one China policy. We support the status 0:22:11.520 --> 0:22:19.240 quo by definition, we don't support any unilateral action on Taiwan. 0:22:19.400 --> 0:22:21.720 That's been in our position for a long period of time. 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.240 Senator, I mean, sure, okay, he's standing by that position. 0:22:25.320 --> 0:22:27.760 But the issue is. 0:22:26.920 --> 0:22:30.000 Is Anthony Alberanese's failure to stand up towards China. 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:32.520 You know, when it comes to military intimidation, the punity 0:22:32.560 --> 0:22:35.400 of tariffs, he's not standing up for our values. 0:22:37.160 --> 0:22:39.880 Well, I think it is very concerned in Daneka that 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.320 mister Albanese he did have a meeting, face to face 0:22:43.400 --> 0:22:49.480 meeting with presidents Jujuiping and got no assurances in relation 0:22:49.680 --> 0:22:54.080 to concerns he raised on regional strategic issues. 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:56.840 I think what is even worse though. 0:22:56.880 --> 0:23:00.840 Is that mister Albanese says he raised these issues, but 0:23:00.920 --> 0:23:05.719 from all the reporting, mister Alberanese's concerns have been dismissed. 0:23:06.040 --> 0:23:10.520