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Speaker 1: Hi, my boris, and this is straight talk.

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Speaker 2: You talk about sliding door moments and fate. If I

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Speaker 2: don't take the cab on that Tuesday night, Mark, nothing

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Speaker 1: Hadly welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's lovely to be here, Mark. I'm not all

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Speaker 2: that flattered, given I wasn't the first choice of the

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Speaker 1: As you've interviewed, everybody knows who you are and graduations

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Speaker 1: on an absolutely staice. I noticed in the notice that

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Speaker 1: you were born and panies which Mesha rooster apparently, so where'd.

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Speaker 2: You buy up? You know how kids listen to records

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Speaker 2: and things like that. I also listen to race course.

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Speaker 2: I'd have cotton reels. I'd rowl them down the driveway

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Speaker 2: and have them painted different colors and call them I

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Speaker 2: got them early twenties. I've got to have a crack

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Speaker 2: at this. I can't not do this.

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Speaker 1: Where do your ambition come from?

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Speaker 2: My dad, who I loved dearly and he was my hero.

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Speaker 2: You know, just all work seven days a week from

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Speaker 2: Marsh to October. And the people say, I don't like

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Speaker 2: this bastard much, but guy works hard. I said, I'll

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Speaker 2: win them over. Eventually, he said, it'll kill you, and

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Speaker 2: I said, well, I might kill me, but I'm going

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Speaker 2: to do it, and it nearly did kill me. I

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Speaker 2: did it for twelve years. By the time we got

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Speaker 2: to the end of two thousand and two, we beat

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Speaker 2: Law with You for the first time, and then two

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Speaker 2: thousand and three would beat him again, and we never

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Speaker 3: I wanted to ring in now even now I was

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Speaker 3: pretty mine. Hell rabs, it's Hadley Ray Hadly Finally, mate,

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Speaker 3: welcome to straight Talk.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's lovely to be here, Marke. It's a great pleasure.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for asking me. I'm not all that flattered, given

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Speaker 2: I wasn't the first choice of the radio broadcast as

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, But Ben Fordham, who's a family friend, so

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Speaker 1: I mean I didn't know you. I am bumped you

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Speaker 1: I need through this the show and footing everything else.

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Speaker 1: But Ben's a family friend, like you know family.

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Speaker 2: I'm tipping Ben would have phoned you and said I'd

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Speaker 2: be a good subject to interview.

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Speaker 1: He did, actually actually imber funny enough, he did, and

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Speaker 1: he had Spirait Crystoblers in here, and they were here

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Speaker 1: just before the Olympics. Then they said you should have

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Speaker 1: Ray on the show before the Olympics, but we couldn't

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Speaker 2: Now I was a way in Paris for it's too busy.

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Speaker 2: Well it's worked out all right, because it's been a

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Speaker 2: fairly hectic couple of weeks for me. So timing is everything.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot happening at GB. Is there any off limits,

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Speaker 1: by the way, well, legal matters, yeah, things that are

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Speaker 1: before the courts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, matters before the courts, So you know there are limits.

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Speaker 2: As I had explained to my audience recently, it's a

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Speaker 2: difficult time for all concern but I'm out of there

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Speaker 1: So was there any coincidence in your retirement with you

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Speaker 1: turning seventy this year? So I'm not sure what your

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Speaker 2: Yeah, September of turn seventy SOT.

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Speaker 1: And you retired like October something.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I made the announcement sort of late October,

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Speaker 2: I've been doing it for over forty years and you've

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Speaker 2: And I explained to him, I'm not going to give

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Speaker 2: calling football back in the eighties before that the races.

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Speaker 1: And you've been on SAT Day afternoons.

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Speaker 2: nineteen years at two yui, all of that calling football.

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Speaker 2: So I thought, you know, I've had a year to

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Speaker 2: I think the ideal situation next year with Thomas Blessing.

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Speaker 1: Aneral three sixty needs a controversial in the member the

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm going to have a talk to

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Speaker 2: I'm fortunate Steve Crawley is the boss of Fox Spalls

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Speaker 2: and Steve and I go back over forty years. He

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Speaker 2: was a racing journalist for The Australian when I was

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Speaker 2: calling races, and so we're pretty good mates. I don't

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Speaker 4: So yeah, you know, like it feels good.

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Speaker 2: It's a good fit if I were to do something

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Speaker 2: So it would be nice to round out your career,

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Speaker 2: Now I'd have to get Rabbits there because he's on

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Speaker 2: ninety nine as well. So it was funny when I

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Speaker 2: announce my retirement. They said, you know you're not. I

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Speaker 2: it doesn't fit well with me getting into one hundred

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Speaker 1: I was doing one hundred State of Origin calls. That's

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Speaker 2: end on ninety nine, which is good because he started

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Speaker 2: called more Grand finals than he won with thirty five,

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Speaker 1: Everybody knows who you are. I mean, by the way,

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Speaker 1: congratulations on an absolutely still agree like in not just

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Speaker 1: point and I've been out to stay doing one thing,

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Speaker 2: I guess the longevity is the most rewarding thing because there

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Speaker 2: It's fairly Hurley Burley, particularly radio. It's very competitive. I've

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Speaker 2: had some very tougher patents over the years. I started

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Speaker 2: don't know Zorba, he was the pre eminent broadcast duo,

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Speaker 2: the desertbel duo. He toughened me up because he said

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Speaker 2: who I was, and he hasn't forgotten it. And then

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Speaker 2: he often says to me, I saved your career because

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Speaker 2: we had a fairly mediacor start in eighty seven ratings wise,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Greg Hartley. Sorry, I think I'm talking to people

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Speaker 2: that don't quite know who these people are, but thank you, yeah, Greg,

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Speaker 2: Greg Hartley, Good Blake and Peter Peters. So they were

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Speaker 2: offered the job to replace me at the end of

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Speaker 2: Peter often says to me now when we have a talk,

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Speaker 2: he said, you know, I saved your career by not

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, and it is a real banter show,

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Speaker 2: He said, he used to call me horse. He said horse.

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Speaker 1: Who Ray Hadley grew up? And I noticed in the

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Speaker 4: Well?

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Speaker 2: I started my life in Sydney. Dad came from a

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Speaker 2: She was always troubled by it through her life, but

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Speaker 2: We always had a big box of Vincent pink or white.

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Speaker 2: I think they were pink yek. Yeah. Anyway, so she

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Speaker 1: Wow from what heart attack?

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Speaker 2: Wow? And so I was only young. The sister was

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Speaker 2: auctioneer for a company called pittsund and Badgery, a pastoral company.

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Speaker 2: I wanted to be a race caller, that's all I

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I had this dream. I

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Speaker 1: Course long a tie, if it straight enough, it's long enough,

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Speaker 2: The Rabs has spoken before about you know, calling paddle

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Speaker 2: the old cotton reels. Yep, I'd have cotton reels. I'd

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Speaker 2: You say, you'd call it into a schooner glass, and

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Speaker 2: I didn't know if I could. I found out later

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Speaker 2: I could. But and the same with rugby league players.

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Speaker 2: I got my license as a auctioneer. As a fair

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Speaker 2: I thought, I got to have a crack at this.

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Speaker 2: I can't not do this. And so they had some

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00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:28,080
Speaker 2: races at the Sydney Crooker Ground probably eighty eighty one.

436
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,160
Speaker 2: It was called the c IG three hundred meter Wells

437
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,639
Speaker 2: Riches three hundred meter race. It was also the world's

438
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 2: only three hundred meter races I understand it and it

439
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:40,520
Speaker 2: was professional runners and some blake said to a maid

440
00:20:40,560 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 2: of mine who was running it, and he said, I

441
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,160
Speaker 2: reckon Ray can call that. So I went down there

442
00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:46,680
Speaker 2: and I called the final. You know, I got a

443
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 2: free ticket at the Grand Final, which was a beauty

444
00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:53,080
Speaker 2: and I called it. And then I sort of thought

445
00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:55,159
Speaker 2: I might be able to do this. You know, I

446
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,919
Speaker 2: can I can identify these people.

447
00:20:57,040 --> 00:20:58,880
Speaker 1: This as a running race at the Grand five Yeah.

448
00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:03,239
Speaker 2: Around round the permiug the oldest CG. So then I

449
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 2: started to go to whippet races out of a place

450
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,800
Speaker 2: called Berkshire Park and I just turned up there one

451
00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,240
Speaker 2: day and said, you dom I call the racer. They

452
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:12,800
Speaker 2: said no, I said, I'll do it for you. So

453
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:16,159
Speaker 2: I did that, and you know, I became proficient at that,

454
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 2: you know, six or seven whippets running around the track.

455
00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:24,240
Speaker 2: And then I decided to quit auctioneering and have a crack.

456
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:29,639
Speaker 2: So I was earning about three hundred a week and

457
00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:33,600
Speaker 2: I quit and I was earning nothing, and so I

458
00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 2: didn't know what I was I just it was an

459
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,560
Speaker 2: impulsive thing I did. And then I got a bit

460
00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:41,360
Speaker 2: of help and I got a job at Appen greyhounds

461
00:21:41,359 --> 00:21:45,639
Speaker 2: out near Campbelltown calling the app and dogs. It was

462
00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,920
Speaker 2: a straight track two seventy two and three sixty six

463
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 2: meters first race twelve forty five, last race four forty five,

464
00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,639
Speaker 2: fifteen races, and I got thirty seven dollars.

465
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,280
Speaker 1: Fifty per racer altogether.

466
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 2: Altogether, that was my only income.

467
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: Were talking about at the least seventies seventy.

468
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 2: Nine to eighty thirty seven fifty. So I went from

469
00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 2: nning three hundred with a company car to thirty seven

470
00:22:06,840 --> 00:22:11,159
Speaker 2: to fifty with no car. So I was sort of

471
00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:13,399
Speaker 2: on the bones from abutment. I thought, I'm going to

472
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:15,120
Speaker 2: give this two years and if I can't get a job,

473
00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 2: I'll give it away. So I made of mine owned

474
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:19,960
Speaker 2: a cab and he said, look, get a cab license

475
00:22:20,359 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 2: and you can drive a cab a couple of nights

476
00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 2: a week and that'll get you enough money to keep going.

477
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: So I said, okay. And it's a lot's made of

478
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,679
Speaker 2: the fact that the cab driver turned you know, the

479
00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:31,280
Speaker 2: cab driver. There's a lot of doctors around, lawyers around

480
00:22:31,320 --> 00:22:34,960
Speaker 2: the may but drove cabs to sustain themselves, were studying,

481
00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:38,560
Speaker 2: and that's what I did. And so I started driving

482
00:22:38,560 --> 00:22:41,800
Speaker 2: the cabs on a Thursday and Friday night and sometimes

483
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 2: at Saturday night. And so what I'd do. I drive

484
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 2: the cab from say three o'clock till up us through

485
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:50,080
Speaker 2: the next morning three pm to three thirty am. And

486
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:51,600
Speaker 2: you can get one hundred out of it, you know,

487
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 2: if you work hard. And then I drive it on

488
00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,040
Speaker 2: Friday night, we could earn one hundred and fifty if

489
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,880
Speaker 2: it went really hard from about three o'clock till four o'clock.

490
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 2: Then I go the mums. I'd have to sleep, and

491
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 2: I drive the cab out to appen to the dogs.

492
00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 2: So I was turning up that happened in a taxi

493
00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: every week, and there was an old blake, the old

494
00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 2: boss out. There was a black called Jock McDonald. He's

495
00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:14,919
Speaker 2: a cranky old bugger. Used to walk around with a

496
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:18,520
Speaker 2: clipboard and you know, he was really snappy. So I

497
00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 2: went to me one day. I said, mister McDonald said

498
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,199
Speaker 2: what he wants done? And I said, I've burned out

499
00:23:22,200 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: of here for six months calling the races. I said,

500
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,360
Speaker 2: can I get any more money? He said, how must

501
00:23:27,359 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: do you get paid? And I said thirty seven dollars

502
00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,399
Speaker 2: fifty How much do you want, I said, I have

503
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 2: fifty dollars to be handy. He looked at me. He

504
00:23:34,880 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 2: said fifty dollars. I said yeah. He said, you can't

505
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,400
Speaker 2: be traveling too bad. You get a cab here every Saturday,

506
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 2: I said, mister McDonald, I drive the cab out here.

507
00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,919
Speaker 2: He said, you're what. I said, yea. I worked at

508
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 2: four o'clock in the morning pushing the cab around in

509
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 2: the city and then I drive it out here, and

510
00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 2: then on the way back I get a fare from

511
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 2: Campbell down to the city to have the crack. He said,

512
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,359
Speaker 2: you can have fifty dollars. Son, He said, you're doing that,

513
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,639
Speaker 2: and he was good. You know, he really sort of

514
00:23:58,840 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: shoned me. Then he thought kids having a go, So

515
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: I did that. Then I ended up calling the dogs

516
00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 2: at bull Eye and now.

517
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:10,600
Speaker 1: Somewhere around that. What do you think about those sort

518
00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 1: of sliding door moments in your life? What do you

519
00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: think back about the old bloke who gave her the

520
00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:19,240
Speaker 1: fifty bucks. They sort of gave you a crack. I

521
00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: agreed to do it. Is that actually a sliding door

522
00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: moment for you in your life?

523
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: I got the biggest sliding door moment of all time.

524
00:24:26,400 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 2: That followed that. So I sho to drive the cab Thursday,

525
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 2: Friday and some Saturday nights. So there was no money

526
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,440
Speaker 2: in cabs on Mondays and Tuesdays. You couldn't get a

527
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,960
Speaker 2: quit out of it, you know, no one affairs. Yeah,

528
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,440
Speaker 2: So one Tuesday night or one Tuesday afternoon, the owner

529
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 2: ring me a no mobiles ring mum's place and said, mate,

530
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 2: you want to drive the night. And I said, John,

531
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,640
Speaker 2: there's no money on a Tuesday night, and you'd pay

532
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 2: the cab. You'd pay in, you know, you'd pay twenty

533
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 2: or thirty bucks for that cab and fill it up

534
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 2: with LPG. So he said, look, he said, the CAB's

535
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: sitting here, come and get it. No pain in. So

536
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 2: whatever I made was minus C or PG. So you

537
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,280
Speaker 2: talk about sliding door moments or fate. So I'm in

538
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: the cab. I drive into on a Tuesday night. I

539
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: drive into Sydney with a fair made upy North Sydney rank.

540
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:19,359
Speaker 2: There was a Hamburger joint there that lord of the

541
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 2: cabbyes had pull up and they were hit before makers.

542
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,800
Speaker 2: They were Hamburger. So I'm there and the rate, the

543
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 2: NAT computers, the radio call point card, the rank, Miller

544
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:32,320
Speaker 2: mclarender north right, so on point that's first car the rank.

545
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 2: So I'm first car, so I said, yeah, thirteen and

546
00:25:34,800 --> 00:25:37,679
Speaker 2: eighty point card of the rank. They said nine o'clock

547
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:42,879
Speaker 2: booking mister Collier too, you were to north right. I

548
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,679
Speaker 2: knew who missus Collie was, as Mark Collia, the news director.

549
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 2: What I didn't know was that night the late John Pierce,

550
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 2: who did six or nine was crook, so Mark Collia

551
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,359
Speaker 2: filled in for him. So I get up there at

552
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:56,359
Speaker 2: nine o'clock. He comes out of ten past jumps in

553
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,679
Speaker 2: the cab and there was no m two was up

554
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,639
Speaker 2: Epping Highway. So he said, you know where you're going?

555
00:26:02,680 --> 00:26:04,639
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, Herring Raid or somewhere he was going to,

556
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,920
Speaker 2: so I know where it is. Problem. So we're driving

557
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: along and engaging conversation like you normally do with people.

558
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,800
Speaker 2: He said, what do you do INNY And I said no, no,

559
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:18,040
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm a race caller. And he said something prophetically.

560
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 2: He said, you're a race caller. I said yeah, we're

561
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,360
Speaker 2: at my tarling. He said, so you're driving a cab

562
00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 2: on a Tuesday night, you're a race caller. I said,

563
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 2: that's correct. He said I'll take you're not a very

564
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: good race caller, and I laughed. I said, yeah, you're

565
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 2: probably right, mate, and he said, I say. In that

566
00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 2: twenty five to thirty minutes of the trip took. I

567
00:26:35,280 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 2: told him about my ambitions and what I wanted to do.

568
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 2: So he said, give me a ring, call me. So

569
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: I did about twenty times pested him, so eventually in

570
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:53,280
Speaker 2: October of about nineteen eighty, he fied, Mum, Mum said

571
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:55,000
Speaker 2: a blow called Mark Collie is looking for you. So

572
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 2: I found him and said what can I do for you?

573
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:58,800
Speaker 2: He said, you're still driving the cab. I said, yeah,

574
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 2: still driving that and I'm doing it happened in Boulein hour.

575
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: He said good. He said I need a traffic reporter

576
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:07,280
Speaker 2: for Gary ol Callahan. He said, come into the studio.

577
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,680
Speaker 2: We've got Navy Week coming up. He said, you ever

578
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,320
Speaker 2: been in a helicopter? I said, oh, yeah, not a problem.

579
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 2: I never looked at a helicopter. So I went the helicopter,

580
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:20,040
Speaker 2: did traffic for Gary, and then some magic happened between

581
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 2: Gary and I. We just seemed to strike it really off.

582
00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,439
Speaker 2: And next thing on the full time traffic reporter for

583
00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:27,879
Speaker 2: the best known breakfast taste in Sydney on to your

584
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 2: week arias to do.

585
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:32,160
Speaker 1: It and Semi Sparrow he was on a quarter.

586
00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,119
Speaker 2: Past age, Semi and what happened? No one used to

587
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 2: talk to Semi bar Gary. But because I was in

588
00:27:36,600 --> 00:27:38,879
Speaker 2: the chopper and he lived in the Opera House with

589
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 2: eleanor his wife and the kids, the twins, Semi the Sparrow,

590
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:46,600
Speaker 2: that is, I started to engage with Semi and Gary

591
00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,119
Speaker 2: loved it, you know, And I be on in the

592
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 2: chopper on a holding pattern, you know, because Sami was

593
00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,919
Speaker 2: taken off to come to the studios at North Sydney,

594
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: you know, and I'd be saying, God, well can you

595
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 2: get Semi out of the studio into the chopper because

596
00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,399
Speaker 2: I can't land and stuff like that, and we'd have

597
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 2: a joke. And so Gary was the start of my

598
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 2: career and Mark was the start of my career. But

599
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 2: you talk about sliding door moments and fate. If I

600
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,919
Speaker 2: don't take the cab on that Tuesday night, Mark, nothing

601
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:15,560
Speaker 2: else happens.

602
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: No, probably more important if you thought you're too good

603
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,720
Speaker 1: to at your cab, yeah, and that you wouldn't have

604
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,000
Speaker 1: a crack, it's because you decide to have a crack.

605
00:28:23,400 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're not going to have a crack,

606
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: then you don't take the cab. They don't meet Gary. No,

607
00:28:27,080 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 1: you don't meet Mark. You don't meet Gary Klan. And

608
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: that's probably may well be you're still driving cabs or

609
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,480
Speaker 1: you're still calling apple horses.

610
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 2: Or waxineering or something. Because I'd set myself two years,

611
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 2: I said, I haven't done it in two years. I

612
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 2: haven't got a job. And the most important day came

613
00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 2: later on when a bloke called David Greenwood gave me

614
00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: a contractor to you surely you know before that I

615
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 2: was just casual, and I still got the contract in

616
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:59,520
Speaker 2: a frame of him. It was some nineteen five hundred

617
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 2: dollars a year nineteen about four hundred bucks a week

618
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 2: or something like that. But in the two and a

619
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 2: half years or three years since i'd left auctioneering, I

620
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 2: was getting about forty bucks more than I left. Plus

621
00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: I had a company car. When I was auctioneering, I

622
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: didn't have a company car. But just that that paperwork,

623
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 2: that piece of paper that said Ray Hadley is fully

624
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: employed by radio station t YUI, And I thought, I

625
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 2: can't believe I've got a full time job in the media.

626
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: Did you feel as though that did you feel us

627
00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 1: at the time, And when you look back at it now,

628
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: do you think you're sort of the sort of guy

629
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 1: that were just because of the you know, he got read,

630
00:29:39,080 --> 00:29:42,800
Speaker 1: he grew up, you know, humble sort of beginnings. That

631
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:45,160
Speaker 1: gratefulness is a really big deal and allowed you to

632
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 1: actually accept these sorts of jobs and take the take

633
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: on these things like being grateful. I feel so grateful

634
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: that I got now got a job in the media.

635
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: In respective amount of money getting paid, it's important.

636
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 2: I've been very privileged and to have a full time

637
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: career that lasted well over forty years is quite a

638
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 2: incredible And I mean I was ambitious. I was really ambitious,

639
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: and that grew out of humble beginnings, you know. I

640
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 2: remember when I was only a kid ambition, and I'm

641
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:16,480
Speaker 2: always cognis of the fact that not everyone can reach

642
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: their ideals or reach their dreams. But Dad was a butcher,

643
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: and a really good butcher, but never owned a shop.

644
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 2: And I remember when I was about ten or twelve,

645
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 2: sitting on the back step at home and a gentleman

646
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,320
Speaker 2: came to a house and I was sitting there with Dad,

647
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:34,840
Speaker 2: and this gentleman said he was an aunt a butcher

648
00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 2: shop at a place called thorn Lee in Sydney, and

649
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: he'd heard about Dad being a good butcher, and he

650
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,560
Speaker 2: came and he said Dad's name was Morris. Sitting down, Morris,

651
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: he said, listen. He said, I'm retiring. I've got no sons.

652
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 2: He said, I need someone to take over the butcher shop.

653
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: And I've heard you're a good butcher and you're a

654
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: hard worker. I want you to take over my butcher shop.

655
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 2: And Dad said, mister whatever he said. He said, no,

656
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 2: it's something not a boss. I'm a worker. I'm a worker,

657
00:31:01,360 --> 00:31:03,520
Speaker 2: he said. And plus I don't have any money. He said, well,

658
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: don't worry about money. I'll finance your into it. You

659
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: don't have to pay me back. Eventually you will have tore.

660
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 2: But initially you just go into the shop. And I'm

661
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 2: sitting there saying, oh, how good this dad's got his

662
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 2: own business. How old were you then, about ten or twelve?

663
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 2: How good is this? You know? This man's wants to

664
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: give him a dad who I loved dearly and he

665
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: was with my hero, you know, just and he wanted

666
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,040
Speaker 2: to give him a step up in life. And Dad

667
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: looked at him and said, no, I'm sorry. I'm not

668
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 2: a boss. I'm not a boss. I'm a butcher. I'm

669
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: a worker. And so I thought about that, not then

670
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,120
Speaker 2: or not later, but Arthur, my dad died, and I

671
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,200
Speaker 2: think at the time I was probably a bit resentful

672
00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: of the lack of ambition. But I'm own no money,

673
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:52,240
Speaker 2: you kid, And I thought, I'll get a bit of

674
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: measure thinking about it. And I thought, he's a really

675
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: good blake my dad, you know, but he doesn't want

676
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 2: to be a boss, wanted to work. And I think

677
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 2: that had a profound effect on me later in life.

678
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 1: But it must have. It clearly would have, because the.

679
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 2: Ambition overtook me. You know.

680
00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:15,959
Speaker 1: I was going to say, therefore, if your dad did,

681
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: it was an ambition. Person, where do your ambition come from?

682
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: Was it just I don't know? There was no one

683
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 2: in my family man worked in a factory. My dad

684
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 2: was a butcher, my grandfather is a saw miller. You know,

685
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 2: we came from very humble beginning.

686
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 1: Did you see how the kids who had something that

687
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:34,479
Speaker 1: you didn't have? And I thought, I want to have that,

688
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: or I want to improve in my life and my family.

689
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 2: I think you know, I didn't have children obviously, and

690
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 2: when I started all this, and I guess that drove

691
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: me to you know, wanted more in my life, not

692
00:32:48,280 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 2: financial rewards, but more success in my life, you know.

693
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 2: So I did that and I just I just think

694
00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: that that even if I think about on talking and

695
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:04,480
Speaker 2: about you know, fifty years ago, sixty years ago actually,

696
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: and it still has a profound effect on me now

697
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 2: totally about about my dad.

698
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:14,240
Speaker 1: And that's and so do you think that's unfair to

699
00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 1: your unfair or just generally societal the unfair for your

700
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: dad to be forced to think that way? Do you

701
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: think it was unfair your dad had to think that

702
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 1: way for him?

703
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but my dad came from you know, a family

704
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 2: of four boys, and they had nothing, you know, they

705
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 2: had absolutely nothing, didn't own a home, rented all their lives.

706
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 2: And so I remember how proud my dad's when they

707
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,600
Speaker 2: actually owned a house in Sydney, in Dundas's Valley. You know,

708
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 2: I didn't own it, the rural bank owner, but they

709
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 2: had their own home. And so that's something I always

710
00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:48,680
Speaker 2: thought of, and that's something where I've connected with people

711
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: ever since, that the understanding that not everyone has ambition

712
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 2: not everyone wants to be the best in what they do.

713
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,240
Speaker 2: And if everyone felt the way that sometimes I do, well,

714
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: there'd be no one to drive trucks, there be no

715
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 2: one to drive trains, there'd be no one to lay bricks,

716
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: there'd be no one to do all those really jobs

717
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 2: that are important, really important, that just want to work

718
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,479
Speaker 2: for wages, like dad, did you know do you?

719
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: I mean, clearly it's a driver and by the way

720
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:21,759
Speaker 1: you achieved it, you're envision you've done very very well. Yeah, sure,

721
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: you're financially stable, you know, Yeah, clearly you've I've been through.

722
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: We've been through a number of divorces together, pretty much have.

723
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: A bit more if I hadn't been through. But anyway, but.

724
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,879
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. You recovered from those things in the game,

725
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:39,840
Speaker 1: and you've stuck to you think, you keep going forward,

726
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:41,440
Speaker 1: and you've made some money, and you put yourself in

727
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 1: a position now where you can retire comfortable.

728
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,000
Speaker 2: Exactly. Well, that's what we are. I mean, I don't

729
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 2: you know, people say I must have a stack of money.

730
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,520
Speaker 2: I've got enough money to retire enough, but I don't

731
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,759
Speaker 2: need anymore. Yeah, I mean I think about you know,

732
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:55,799
Speaker 2: my kids are set up the three that live here

733
00:34:55,840 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 2: in Australia, got a daughter in the States. They've got

734
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 2: their own homes, they've got their own partner's husband's wife,

735
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: and they're in a strong position to look after themselves

736
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: and their kids and safety. And I have enough to

737
00:35:09,120 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 2: look after ourselves. You know, we won't be going on

738
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, long holidays Internashley and things like that. But

739
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: that that doesn't worry me, Mark, because I haven't lived

740
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 2: that life. You're likely to see me at the local

741
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,400
Speaker 2: la still a local pub of the little Italian restaurant

742
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 2: at Rouse Hill in preference to the finger Wall in

743
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 2: other places. That's not my gap. It's never been my gap.

744
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: I don't leave an extravagant lifestyle. I just you know,

745
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,879
Speaker 2: I'm a pretty normal person who has a bit more

746
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: money than the average person because I've worked for it.

747
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 1: This is a really interesting topic, this concept of retirement.

748
00:35:40,239 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: And you just made me think about some stuff because

749
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: I'm not too dissimilar to you in age. And I've

750
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 1: got four sons and i've got three grandsons. I haven't

751
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 1: got as many grand kids as you've got, sure, but

752
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: one thing always goes from my mind is my level

753
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: of response, My responsibility to my kids still my mina

754
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: son's forty three, I think to myself, well, where when

755
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 1: can I stop put it keeping myself in a position

756
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: that I can actually provide for them just in case

757
00:36:08,840 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: they need something to be provided for partic on my grandkids,

758
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 1: Do I need to be a person who has to

759
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: be able to send them to boarding school or to

760
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,920
Speaker 1: school to a private school? Is that something goes through

761
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 1: your mind at that level of responsibility.

762
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 2: All the time, all the time I got seven grandchildren.

763
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: I know you talk about him all the time on

764
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: my lap and I.

765
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 2: Love that the light of my life. I mean, I

766
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 2: spent as much time as I came with him now

767
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 2: given the constraints of work. But I remember when Dad

768
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 2: died in nineteen seventy five. Mum and Dad were living separately,

769
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,880
Speaker 2: and so I was, you know, twenty, I had to

770
00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 2: take control of the situation because Mum and Dad were apart.

771
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 2: And he was buried by a great company, William H. Timmins,

772
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,400
Speaker 2: who still existed this very day. In para matter. He

773
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 2: is buried at Saints Church and there was drama because

774
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 2: my grandfather wanted him to be buried in his home

775
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 2: village of Young guy where his remains are now? And

776
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 2: there was all these decisions to make, And then no

777
00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,080
Speaker 2: one in my family had died previously that I could remember.

778
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:16,920
Speaker 2: My grandma died when I was a bit younger, but

779
00:37:17,080 --> 00:37:19,040
Speaker 2: I was too young to think about it. And then

780
00:37:19,520 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: there was a bill to be paid and we didn't

781
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:25,400
Speaker 2: have any money, and I said to my mum, we

782
00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:30,880
Speaker 2: got any money anywhere now? And I said, you know,

783
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:32,359
Speaker 2: I went to the bank and said his dad got

784
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: any money and he had nothing. I didn't have one

785
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:41,839
Speaker 2: hundred dollars, and so I think the funeral was going

786
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 2: to be a cup of grand and I didn't know

787
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 2: what to do. You know that good will bury your father.

788
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 2: He got no money, and my sister was only sixteen,

789
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 2: So I said, I don't know how we get out

790
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,960
Speaker 2: of this, and you're grieving anyway, you know. I was

791
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 2: at pitshand and Badgery on a Friday afternoon game to

792
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:01,879
Speaker 2: see me as living at Nelson Bay up the case

793
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: and the coppers rang pitchedon and Badgery and spoke to

794
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: my boss and they are you Raymond Morris Hadley, Yes,

795
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 2: the son of Arthur Morris Hadley. Correct, your father's deceased.

796
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:17,320
Speaker 2: So my immediate thought he'd been killed in a car accident.

797
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,520
Speaker 2: I didn't know. He died of a heart attack collapse

798
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 2: at the club up there with his father and brother,

799
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,759
Speaker 2: one of his brothers. So we went up to identify

800
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 2: the body on the Saturday, came back and then this whirlwindowed.

801
00:38:29,840 --> 00:38:31,320
Speaker 2: You know, you've got to have a And he was

802
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 2: a member of a few clubs back in our local

803
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: area and Doune Ossuardly Rugby Union Club. And they put

804
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:38,399
Speaker 2: the hat around, you know, to try and get a quid.

805
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 2: Wasn't enough. And this really good friend of dad's who

806
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 2: his wife had grown up with that but you and guy,

807
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: his name was Clive Parker and Joyce Parker and they

808
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: were battlers. They had eight kids. They were battlers. So

809
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 2: he came to me probably three days later, and he

810
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:56,840
Speaker 2: said one of the funeral arrangements, son, I said, club,

811
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,879
Speaker 2: I don't know, you know, what do I do? He said,

812
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 2: we find out how much it is and we'll get

813
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: the money for you. So I can't remember. It may

814
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:07,760
Speaker 2: have been two and a half thousand dollars or something

815
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: like that, you know. So he said, okay, we'll get

816
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: the money. We'll pay for it. And I said, I'm

817
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,560
Speaker 2: just going to pay for it. He said, we'll pay

818
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:16,080
Speaker 2: for it. And I knew he didn't have any money,

819
00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 2: but he was going to borrow it or something. So

820
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 2: I said, well, I can't afford to pay you back.

821
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: I was earning at the time forty bucks a week.

822
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 2: You know, it's trying the auctioneer. And he said, what

823
00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:30,759
Speaker 2: can you afford? And I said, I'll give you ten

824
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:35,400
Speaker 2: bucks a week. He said, okay, that'll do. So for

825
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 2: about I don't know, a year. Every Thursday i'd go

826
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 2: to his place at Chestnut Avenue had done that and

827
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: I'd put ten bucks on the dining room table. I

828
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 2: require these. You're ten. He said, good on your son.

829
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 2: So I probably paid him back. I don't know, have

830
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 2: four hundred bucks or something like that. I turned up

831
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: one Thursday night. He said, no need to come here anymore, boy.

832
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: I said why. He said, you've honored your father's memory.

833
00:39:57,800 --> 00:40:01,680
Speaker 2: You've done your best. We've got some mates we're kicking

834
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,880
Speaker 2: and the rest don't worry about it. And that black

835
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 2: he's now de seized his son and one of his

836
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 2: sons is still one of my best mates. We don't

837
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 2: see each other all that often. But when we do.

838
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 2: I talked to about what difference his family made in

839
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:16,240
Speaker 2: my life.

840
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: You know that's pretty You know, everybody knows Ray Hadley

841
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: is the radio host. It controls the microphone, and he

842
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: gives it to politicians and sticks up for people who

843
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: are doing it tough, are being badly done by. And

844
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:35,200
Speaker 1: then then we hear that story and for a twenty

845
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 1: year old, you're twenty, Yep, that's a pretty impactful event,

846
00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:43,800
Speaker 1: your dad dying at such a young age as a

847
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 1: big event, and then having to pay forty bucks a week,

848
00:40:47,719 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: ten dollars a week back for your dad's funeral because

849
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,120
Speaker 1: you dad's got no money to pay for the funeral.

850
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,320
Speaker 1: I reckon that has to have had some impact on

851
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 1: forming who had this today relative to his children and gradual.

852
00:40:58,520 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: Well, that's where we get back to where you started

853
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,919
Speaker 2: a little while back, about what you think your obligations

854
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: are to your for children and your grandchildren. And that's

855
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 2: what I think about.

856
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: I think about daily. Well, it doesn't go past I

857
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 1: don't think about that.

858
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 2: No, Well sometimes you know, my wife is the same

859
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: with her two children, who two kids. Yeah, she's got

860
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 2: a boy and a girl, Nick and.

861
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:24,920
Speaker 1: Jessica they've got grandkids.

862
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:27,360
Speaker 2: No, they're neither married not married.

863
00:41:27,600 --> 00:41:28,960
Speaker 1: And you've got and you've got.

864
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: I've got Dan who's thirty five, I've got Laura thirty two,

865
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 2: I've got Emma who's nearly thirty, and I've got Sarah

866
00:41:35,160 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 2: who's twenty seven.

867
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:39,360
Speaker 1: So the grandkids are all too, your biological children.

868
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so I got Dan's got three a boy

869
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,239
Speaker 2: and two girls, Laura's got three little girls. And now

870
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: on the other end, Sarah, she's got one little boy.

871
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Can I ask you a quick question. You get a favorite?

872
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:50,760
Speaker 1: You get a favorite?

873
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 2: Well, well, I'll answer it this way. The elder ones

874
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 2: think Sarah is my favorite child, but that's not true.

875
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 2: It's just that she's the baby. She lived at home

876
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: the longest, and she was with me through a difficult

877
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: period in my life. Her and I just lived together

878
00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 2: by herself, so there's a bit of a reliance upon her.

879
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 2: But I love all my children equally, and they're all

880
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 2: wonderful people. Emmy, the middle girl's been in the States

881
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: for quite a number of years, but she's an outstanding person.

882
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 2: Laura is a great mother and a great hard worker.

883
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,880
Speaker 2: All my kids are hard workers. Dan really, you know,

884
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,439
Speaker 2: he was in a bit of strife a few years

885
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: ago and battled his way back. He was a copper

886
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,600
Speaker 2: and he's out of that now. He had a problem

887
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:35,240
Speaker 2: and he's now the general manager of investigations for Racing

888
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 2: Year South Wales and doing a very good job all

889
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: of his own back. Despite what someone might say from

890
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: time to time in the echo chamber.

891
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: Of the there's always opositition. You media made so that

892
00:42:47,680 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: it works anyway.

893
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:53,200
Speaker 2: So and Sarah is saying the youngest one, she's a

894
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 2: hard working mother of one. And they've all got fantastic

895
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,720
Speaker 2: in Daniel's case, wife cass in Laura's case, husband Brad,

896
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,040
Speaker 2: and Sarah's case, husband Jack. I've got them very fortunate

897
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:07,360
Speaker 2: with my sons in law and daughter in law. But

898
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: I think about that all the time. I mean, it's

899
00:43:11,840 --> 00:43:14,719
Speaker 2: almost a preoccupation with me to make sure the kids

900
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 2: are okay. And you know, I want to help them

901
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 2: with the education of my grandchildren, and I honor that commitment.

902
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: And I guess it's in the back of my mind

903
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,520
Speaker 2: all the time where I came from, and I don't

904
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 2: want then in that situation ever, And you know, I

905
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:36,000
Speaker 2: often say, look, you're going to carve it up anyway,

906
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:38,080
Speaker 2: when I fall off the perch, which maybe sooner rather

907
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 2: than later. Who knows. When you're gay, you've got no

908
00:43:39,840 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: saying all of that, So there'll be something there to

909
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 2: make sure you've got no mortgages and say if you'll

910
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 2: be looked after obviously as well. But I remember a

911
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:50,840
Speaker 2: made of mine. He's an old blake. He's still a

912
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 2: live Dicky Hilly's a funny old blake. Rabbits and I

913
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 2: used to play golf with him, and he was quite wealthy.

914
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: Dicky wished to call him a squillionaire. He retired very early,

915
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,879
Speaker 2: and he had a stack of grandkids and had four

916
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 2: kids as well. And years ago we'd be talking to

917
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 2: Rabbits and Iron. He said, I'm taking the kids to

918
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 2: Disneyland this year. We're going to Disneyland. I said, Jesus, Dick,

919
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 2: that must cost your quid, and he said, well, they're

920
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 2: going to get At the end, he said, I'd rather

921
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 2: see my little grandkids having fun now when I'm able

922
00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 2: to watch it, than them doing it when I'm gone.

923
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: And I used to think that's not a bad attitude

924
00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 2: to have, you know. And so to a certain extent,

925
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: I've been impacted by not just my circumstances, but a

926
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: mate like Dickie, who I thought was a fairly good idea.

927
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: If you've got a bit of money and you want

928
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,840
Speaker 2: to splash it on your kids or your grandkids, do

929
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: it now while you can enjoy it with them, in

930
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,800
Speaker 2: preference to them enjoying it after you're gone.

931
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: It's I'm sort of in the same boat as you,

932
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,160
Speaker 1: but I don't have as many But I'm like you

933
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:45,920
Speaker 1: when I come from similar sort of circumstances, but not

934
00:44:45,920 --> 00:44:48,280
Speaker 1: not for the same mirror, but not the wealthy family.

935
00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 1: We had nothing, and I think it is a reflection

936
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: of how we grew up ourselves. We just want better

937
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,000
Speaker 1: for our kids and our grandkids and everybody else around us,

938
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,760
Speaker 1: our partners. So I do want to talk about Sophie.

939
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,240
Speaker 1: So how long are you as you've been married for now.

940
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:03,560
Speaker 2: Coming out for four years?

941
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 1: You know you talk about adnois him on the radio

942
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 1: because it drives me nuts, like.

943
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 2: She's changed my life. I mean she worked with me

944
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 2: for eighteen years.

945
00:45:11,600 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's right, you said, Sophie this, and that.

946
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: I love her.

947
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:17,560
Speaker 1: I know you do.

948
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,560
Speaker 2: I love her and she's a great woman and she

949
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 2: has been instrumental in bringing our families together, you.

950
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:25,959
Speaker 1: Know, the Brady bunch.

951
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, she she often talks about our blended family, and

952
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:33,160
Speaker 2: you know her. I love her daughter, I love her son,

953
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 2: and you know, they're part of our extended family. And

954
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 2: they're very, very like my own children, very productive young

955
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: people who are achieving great things that are reflecting on

956
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: not only their mother but their father, Greg, who's a

957
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: good person. And so, you know, people said that I

958
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 2: changed since the grandkids were born. I've basically changed since

959
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 2: I married Sophie changed which way I've melaid, I've calmed

960
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: down a lot, and I'm a lot easier to deal.

961
00:46:01,560 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: Compared to what though, Oh well, how were you before?

962
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 2: Before we'ved hear and bust. I mean, you know, I

963
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,600
Speaker 2: got myself in the strife ten years ago for giving

964
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 2: young blokes a hard time at work, and I paid

965
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 2: the penalty for that, and I admitted to it.

966
00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 1: You owned it.

967
00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 2: I had it. I mean, you know, it's the way

968
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: I was. It was wide and so you know, I

969
00:46:21,320 --> 00:46:24,839
Speaker 2: changed anyway. But then with Sapeye's influence, I've changed more.

970
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: Because do you think she's actually sort of given you guidance?

971
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, not, She's not that sort of person. She

972
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 2: doesn't tell you what you think, but she just leudes

973
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 2: by example. She's you know, I had a joke about

974
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: with Tom Malane just last night. We were Tom rang

975
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 2: me about another matter and we're talking. And because I'm

976
00:46:42,680 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: finishing on the thirteenth and Saphie is working with me

977
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:51,319
Speaker 2: obviously and still employed by two GB, she said she

978
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 2: know I was talking to Tom, and she said that

979
00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 2: I asked Tom if I can keep my emails open

980
00:46:55,719 --> 00:46:58,240
Speaker 2: until we come back from holidays, just to make the transition.

981
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 2: And I said, you heard what he said, Tom, And

982
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 2: he said yes, yes, yes, yes, he said, of course safe.

983
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:05,879
Speaker 2: You can keep her emails happen as long as she likes.

984
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: And I said, Saphie in front of Tom, I said,

985
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 2: I think he trusts you more than he trusts me safety.

986
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,960
Speaker 2: And that's what it's like. She has this impeccable reputation

987
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,799
Speaker 2: as a person who would you know she gets If

988
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 2: someone would suggest you've got a parking ticket, she'd be

989
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 2: in a state of apoplexy. She's just a really model

990
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 2: citizen who does everything to the letter.

991
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:27,640
Speaker 1: Of the law. How did you meet her? How'd you

992
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 1: find your fee? You then, well, because I worked, she's

993
00:47:29,560 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: working there for years. How did you find your feet there?

994
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:34,800
Speaker 1: Like seriously, Well, look.

995
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 2: She was single and I was single, and you know,

996
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 2: we saw each other every day and we were friends.

997
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I got to know it first.

998
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I actually.

999
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 2: Know, actually know someone you know. And she was a

1000
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 2: dedicated First of all, she worked for Bob Rogers. She

1001
00:47:53,360 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 2: was Bob's PA, and then Bob didn't need a pa anymore.

1002
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:01,120
Speaker 2: So then someone said Saphie would be good for you,

1003
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: and I said, okay, So I didn't know safely that

1004
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,680
Speaker 2: well that was a long time ago. And so she

1005
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 2: worked with me and worked with me, and she was

1006
00:48:07,320 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 2: she's very good at a job.

1007
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 1: I mean, is she retiring too?

1008
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you don't need Well, she's a bit younger than me,

1009
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 2: so I don't think it's a funny thing. She's a

1010
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: funny girl. Because when I discussed what I was going

1011
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,160
Speaker 2: to give it away, she said, oh, she said, I'm

1012
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 2: too young. You know, she's in a mid to late fifties.

1013
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 2: She said, I'm too young to retire. And I said,

1014
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:31,520
Speaker 2: So we have a place up up the case at

1015
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: Pretty Bitch, and there's a great couple up there. They

1016
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,879
Speaker 2: got a little cafe restaurant and she loves going there

1017
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 2: for a wine and coffee. So she said, I'm going

1018
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:43,439
Speaker 2: to ring Sally Anne. I said, Salienne for She said,

1019
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: I can get some cash work up there. I said, say,

1020
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:47,680
Speaker 2: if we're not traveling that badly, that you've got to

1021
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 2: get a job as a barista.

1022
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:50,879
Speaker 4: Or work behind the bar.

1023
00:48:51,080 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 2: I said, she's but I've got to do something, you know.

1024
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,319
Speaker 2: And I said, well, let's just have a bit of

1025
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 2: a break and then we'll think about her. But she's

1026
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,879
Speaker 2: pretty valuable and she'll be she'll be doing things at

1027
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: two GB beyond my career, beyond your career. Yeah, she'll

1028
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:04,560
Speaker 2: be doing things there.

1029
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: So and use that word there is a great word

1030
00:49:07,560 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: for you especially. And by the way, I have to

1031
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:27,800
Speaker 1: tell you whilst I'm interviewing you after Ben, I will

1032
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:29,560
Speaker 1: reveal this to you on this show, that I'm talking

1033
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,759
Speaker 1: to you before I'm speaking to Lawsy. So you're ahead

1034
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 1: of Lawsy.

1035
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:36,600
Speaker 2: Well, Lawsy and I have had a colorful relationship. I

1036
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: was his offsider and his replacement for about ten years.

1037
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 2: He's referred to me as a copyist and a person

1038
00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,160
Speaker 2: that's copied him. And I put my hand up there

1039
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 2: and I've often thought about it, like, yes, say you're

1040
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,640
Speaker 2: a jockey and your apprentice and you're watching James McDonald

1041
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:57,959
Speaker 2: right in the modern era, or you watch George Moore

1042
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 2: will you'd be a bit of a if you didn't

1043
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,800
Speaker 2: look at them and say, jeez, they do that correctly.

1044
00:50:03,840 --> 00:50:06,240
Speaker 2: And that's what happened with Laws. Laws was, without doubt

1045
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 2: the most professional radio broadcaster I've ever seen. He paneled himself.

1046
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,960
Speaker 2: He knew how to panel, and I learned the panel

1047
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:18,080
Speaker 2: watching him, and so he'd had control of the show,

1048
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 2: every facet of his program. He had this wonderful voice,

1049
00:50:21,960 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 2: which you know he was blessed with. And so yeah,

1050
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:26,839
Speaker 2: I copied him, and I did a lot of things

1051
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,280
Speaker 2: he did, and I've had a fair bit of success

1052
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 2: copying John. So I don't know that I changed the formula.

1053
00:50:33,600 --> 00:50:37,120
Speaker 2: But look, he retired at eighty nine, and you know,

1054
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,759
Speaker 2: he's had this wonderful career that stood the test of time.

1055
00:50:41,560 --> 00:50:43,360
Speaker 2: I have, at some time in the future, him and

1056
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 2: I can bury the hatchet and maybe meet and he'll

1057
00:50:47,080 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 2: have a while turkey, I'll have a diet cake or something.

1058
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 2: But I have admiration for his longevity more than anything else.

1059
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:56,319
Speaker 2: And I've said and declared before. I think he's the

1060
00:50:56,320 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 2: greatest broadcaster Australiers ever produced, and no one I'll take

1061
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: that from him now. I mean, i'd like to think that.

1062
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 2: During our professional lives when we compete it up until

1063
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,360
Speaker 2: about two thousand and three, and then things changed and

1064
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:13,160
Speaker 2: I started to win. He didn't like the fact that

1065
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:15,279
Speaker 2: I was winning, which I can understand given he was

1066
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: the king of the castle for a long time. He

1067
00:51:17,640 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: sent me, remember fact similes. Yeah, yeah, well yet to

1068
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 2: be my age of your age to remember fact similes.

1069
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:26,360
Speaker 2: But when I won the first survey in two thousand

1070
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: and three, he sent me with his leather head of

1071
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:35,560
Speaker 2: fact simile from his office when I won, and he said, congratulations,

1072
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 2: I've still got it. You have mine. Maybe it is time. Well,

1073
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,160
Speaker 2: of course that was two thousand and three and he

1074
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 2: retired in twenty twenty four, so it wasn't time for

1075
00:51:45,880 --> 00:51:50,440
Speaker 2: him obviously, But I mean we were professional rivals. I

1076
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,439
Speaker 2: don't know whether he admired me, but I certainly admired him.

1077
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: Well that's a that's where you're the high ground all

1078
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: of a sudden, that's perfect. Talking about big names. I

1079
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,959
Speaker 1: want to talk about Anarell well, let's not talk about Anaal.

1080
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: Let's talk about rugby lea because you and is only

1081
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,839
Speaker 1: the modern game. Let's talk about go back, go back,

1082
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,160
Speaker 1: and you've called, you know, not only called, but you've

1083
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: been a student in the game for a long long time.

1084
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:16,320
Speaker 2: I love it.

1085
00:52:16,520 --> 00:52:19,640
Speaker 1: Who there's only three positions I want to know about.

1086
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:22,359
Speaker 1: Who's the greatest front rower that you've ever seen? And

1087
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 1: including that, I'll put a hooker in there, like in

1088
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 1: the front row.

1089
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:29,200
Speaker 2: You can go back to Saint George Pierr because before

1090
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:31,879
Speaker 2: let's go back to when I started watching rugby, not

1091
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 2: calling at seven, because that narrows it down. I think

1092
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 2: Arthur Beatsen is the best front rail river scene, but

1093
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: I would put Bob O'Riley a short half head behind him,

1094
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 2: a great front rail from Paramatta, Penrith and other clubs

1095
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 2: during the time. I think O'Reilly was a ball distributing

1096
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 2: front railer in the in the guys of Arthur Beatson

1097
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: and they were great mates, of course because they played

1098
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:56,320
Speaker 2: together at Paramatta during the premiership years of Jack Gibson.

1099
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 2: But Arthur is the best prop I've ever seen. And

1100
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 2: why do you say that, Well, it was just this

1101
00:53:03,080 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 2: big Blake, who was probably lacking in match fitness most

1102
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,759
Speaker 2: of the time. They used to call him half a

1103
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 2: game artie or you know whatever they called. Yeah, but

1104
00:53:12,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: he could he could do things other people couldn't do.

1105
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:18,359
Speaker 2: He could distribute the ball. And I also liked him

1106
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 2: as a person when I got to know him much

1107
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 2: later in his retirement years. He was a really good,

1108
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,720
Speaker 2: nice blake, a good fellow.

1109
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: A great thing about Arthur that I remember he could

1110
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: spread his legs out and he had a big butt

1111
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 1: on him, and he could just stand there. He's a

1112
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 1: big dude. He's standing there. They could they could move

1113
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: his center gravity. Then he's got the ball and just

1114
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: put wherever he wanted to.

1115
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,560
Speaker 2: The best have the beasts. And story I've been told

1116
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,120
Speaker 2: was he used to love playing golf with Jack Gibson.

1117
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 2: Jack was a very good golfer.

1118
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:47,480
Speaker 1: He wentber Jack to Parma, did he, Yeah.

1119
00:53:47,120 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 2: Early in the early eighties. That was when he clipped

1120
00:53:49,560 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 2: Michael Cranon on the channel the state of origin for teammates. Yeah,

1121
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:57,200
Speaker 2: And anyway, so they played together with the Lakes or

1122
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: Bonnie doun or somewhere, and they used to play for

1123
00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:03,799
Speaker 2: the money and Jack beat him, so that's it, Arthur said,

1124
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:05,520
Speaker 2: that's it. I'm getting rid of these clubs. I've had

1125
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: a gut full of this. I can't beat you. You know,

1126
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:12,000
Speaker 2: I'm giving it away. So with his cohort Ron Massey,

1127
00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:15,240
Speaker 2: Jack put an ad in the mirror or the telegraph.

1128
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:18,919
Speaker 2: The next day set a golf club for sale. Phone

1129
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,200
Speaker 2: Arthur boots and then they used to run the classifieds

1130
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 2: with Arthur's home number. This is long before mobiles. So

1131
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 2: Arthur wakes up and the phone ring and won to

1132
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:30,719
Speaker 2: buy clubs. And so he's taken calls all day and

1133
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: then he finally he then worked with the fact that

1134
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: Massey Will Gibson had done it to him.

1135
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, my food.

1136
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:38,319
Speaker 1: Don't realize what a practical joke of Jack was.

1137
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 2: Oh, he was a funny man, very good practical jokes.

1138
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 2: I'll tell you a story he did. I used to

1139
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 2: do charity auctions for him because he raised a lot

1140
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: of money for k schizophrena because of the death of

1141
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:55,520
Speaker 2: his son Luke. Anyway, there was a colorful identity who

1142
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 2: was a fairly heavy character that Jack had encountered, and

1143
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:04,080
Speaker 2: I had occasion to say things about him during my broadcast.

1144
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:08,759
Speaker 2: This person anyway, this person was not very happy with me.

1145
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:12,640
Speaker 2: So Jack finned me on the eve of one of

1146
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: these charity auctions. It was one of the auction I

1147
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,719
Speaker 2: did where he got all these checks signed by these

1148
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,680
Speaker 2: famous people, Jack Nicholas, Greg Norman, the President of the

1149
00:55:19,760 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 2: United States, Bob A Hawk.

1150
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:24,080
Speaker 1: Jack, you just get people sign checks him as a gift.

1151
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: And then he put them in the big frame. It

1152
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: have all the golfers, all the politicians, all this. All that.

1153
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: We raised about three hundred grand at one auction anyway,

1154
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,919
Speaker 2: So I used to do the oxen for Jack because

1155
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 2: of my auctioneering background. So Jack rang up insta can

1156
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:39,840
Speaker 2: we kidd He said, a kid, you've been bagging this

1157
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 2: blake And I said yeah. He said he's not happy.

1158
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:48,160
Speaker 2: He's not happy. He said, can you drop off? I said, well, Jack,

1159
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 2: he said, can you drop off? He said, Look, he

1160
00:55:52,280 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 2: said there might be a couple of blacks that I'll

1161
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 2: wreak your legs if you don't drop off. I said, Jack,

1162
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 2: I said, I'm not that about that, and he said, yes,

1163
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 2: drop off And I said, okay, I'll drop off on

1164
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: your advice. So he said, look, he said, all I

1165
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: can do is guarantee that nothing will happened to you

1166
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 2: till the auction. He said, but you've done the auction

1167
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:21,160
Speaker 2: for me. You're on your own, kid, I thought, is

1168
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 2: he serious or not? So I wring him back and

1169
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 2: Judy answer the phan. I said, God, I speak to Jack.

1170
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,440
Speaker 2: And then I said, Jack, are you serious? He said, Kid,

1171
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 2: wellever you're doing auctions for me, you'll be sweet. I said, okay, Jack,

1172
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,440
Speaker 2: I'll keep doing auctions for you, and he would. Jack

1173
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,879
Speaker 2: would have known him to the bloke, Oh, Jack, bloke,

1174
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: very well.

1175
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: It is an unusual position, the second position. When I

1176
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:51,960
Speaker 1: asked you about the greatest halfback and come into the

1177
00:56:51,960 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 1: modern you're two.

1178
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 2: I mean, i'd have to say John's Andrew Andrew Johns.

1179
00:56:57,880 --> 00:56:59,760
Speaker 2: I'd have to say, Andrew Johns, what Cleary?

1180
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: Where do you see that?

1181
00:57:01,040 --> 00:57:04,399
Speaker 2: All? Well, there's Actually it's funny you should mention him

1182
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:09,160
Speaker 2: because I said recently in an interview that I think

1183
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 2: by the end of his career, and he's only twenty seven,

1184
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 2: he could be the greatest player of all time, player

1185
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 2: player of all time, the greatest player of all time.

1186
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 2: What he's done in grand fine amazing. I mean, he

1187
00:57:21,320 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 2: sees victory from the jaws of defeat. Against Brisbane with

1188
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:32,360
Speaker 2: a bad shoulder. He dominated in the game against Melbourne,

1189
00:57:32,800 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: and it's rare for players to lift the level he

1190
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 2: can lift to on so many important occasions. So to date,

1191
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 2: I still rate John's as the best I've ever seen.

1192
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: He could do things. I mean, he tackled like a

1193
00:57:48,800 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 2: front rail round, got a big ars and being strong, strong.

1194
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 2: But I think that you know, by the time we

1195
00:57:58,080 --> 00:58:00,440
Speaker 2: reflect in the next three or four years, as he

1196
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: gets towards the end of his career, Cleary could be

1197
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 2: the greatest player of what the game's ever seen.

1198
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,040
Speaker 1: And coach my third Ones coach.

1199
00:58:06,760 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 2: Well, look, I'm a fan of Jack's. I love Jack,

1200
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 2: but I can't split three coaches, the two older Bulls,

1201
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: Wayne Bennett Craig Bellamy. I just I've had a love

1202
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,720
Speaker 2: hate relationship for Wayne forever. One week we talk to

1203
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,000
Speaker 2: each other, next week we don't. Currently we're talking to

1204
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 2: each other, and I think it's a unique character Wayne

1205
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,680
Speaker 2: that's much needed in the game. I love Craig Bellamy

1206
00:58:35,680 --> 00:58:38,520
Speaker 2: as a person and as a coach. He's without peer.

1207
00:58:38,600 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 2: But it's hard to eclipse what Cleary has done with Penry. Yeah,

1208
00:58:43,320 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 2: hard to eclipse that. And there's been many great coaches

1209
00:58:46,640 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: over the years, but I mean I have great affection

1210
00:58:49,080 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: for Jackie won the first premiership for Paramounta, then won

1211
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:53,919
Speaker 2: two more before John Mayney won again at eighty six.

1212
00:58:55,360 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: And jack always had the timing right. He always went

1213
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: before he got pushed, if you know what I mean.

1214
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:02,040
Speaker 2: He didn't last too long.

1215
00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 1: He just he was smart.

1216
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:07,120
Speaker 2: He made success moves and made well move to another club.

1217
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:09,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, greats origin game you ever called?

1218
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:15,240
Speaker 2: Ninety four? Mark Coins try at the Sydney Football Stadium.

1219
00:59:15,280 --> 00:59:18,600
Speaker 2: Mark said before, yeah, save the day. Yeah, it's say

1220
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: the day. Coins are great Blake as well, But I

1221
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:24,440
Speaker 2: went through all those Queensland hands and you know, just

1222
00:59:24,520 --> 00:59:26,439
Speaker 2: that one try is the best try I've ever called.

1223
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:28,320
Speaker 2: And I'd say the fact that you know I was

1224
00:59:28,320 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 2: there calling that game makes it stand out in my memory.

1225
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 2: I've called ninety nine of them, so it's hard to

1226
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,760
Speaker 2: you know, differentiate from one to the other because there's

1227
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: been some great origin games, but that one just keeps

1228
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,440
Speaker 2: living in my memory at nineteen ninety four and Coin, I.

1229
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,560
Speaker 1: Mean, i'd I'd love to know from you is about

1230
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 1: clash a clash of Titans. What do you would you

1231
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: suggest as the greatest clash you've ever seen in Origin.

1232
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 1: I mean, we've seen Spud Carroll, we've seen Mark Guyer,

1233
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,160
Speaker 1: we've seen Wally Lewis blah blah blah. But what was

1234
01:00:00,240 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 1: the best clash? And do you think that that class

1235
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: will continue on that styl of clash?

1236
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:09,440
Speaker 2: No? I think that like the clash between Mark Guyra

1237
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:12,560
Speaker 2: and Wally at the Sydney Football Stadium was and David

1238
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:16,120
Speaker 2: Manson was the referee and Jack was in the box

1239
01:00:16,160 --> 01:00:19,000
Speaker 2: with me, and you know, there was all a hullabaloo

1240
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 2: about Manson should have done this. It was right on halftime,

1241
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:24,400
Speaker 2: I think, if memory serves me correctly. And then Jack

1242
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,400
Speaker 2: looked at me and said, kid, what could he have

1243
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 2: done any better? Manson? In handling and diffusing? What was happening?

1244
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 2: They punches were throwing, the was chal each other and

1245
01:00:34,520 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 2: chest each other and all the rest of it. Yeah,

1246
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,760
Speaker 2: And then I mean Gordon tell Us dragging the full

1247
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: Bret Hodson w Yeah, yeah, yeah, dragging him over the

1248
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:49,760
Speaker 2: touch line. You know, as a defining moment every Origin

1249
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 2: Lewis played in dominant tackling people like he was a

1250
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 2: front rail, even though he was playing sometimes in a

1251
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,080
Speaker 2: lock position or a five eighth position. I think he's

1252
01:01:01,120 --> 01:01:02,840
Speaker 2: one of the greatest players of all time as well.

1253
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 2: Wally and a great fellow too. I treasure his friendship

1254
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: more than most. At difficult times in my life. When

1255
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 2: I was calling on Channel nine on a Thursday night

1256
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 2: and going to Brisbane, Wally was a rock solid friend,

1257
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:19,400
Speaker 2: a good man, a good man.

1258
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: He's been through his own dramas over the last couple

1259
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:22,600
Speaker 1: of years too.

1260
01:01:22,680 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, and I've offered my support to

1261
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 2: him because I've been there and done that, and you know,

1262
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:33,400
Speaker 2: and no one's perfect. We all have frailties. But Wally

1263
01:01:33,480 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 2: Lewis is a good people I get. I don't park

1264
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:38,760
Speaker 2: up with people anymore, but if they bag Wally, I'll

1265
01:01:38,760 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 2: get I arc up because I know he's a good fella.

1266
01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: You've seen footy forever. I mean, do you like where

1267
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,720
Speaker 1: the foot he is now in terms of their evolution

1268
01:01:47,760 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 1: of footing? Im not like you used to go and

1269
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:51,560
Speaker 1: watch with my Dad's and George play at sports ground

1270
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: back in the sixties and now I love the game

1271
01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: now too, But do you have a preference for where

1272
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 1: the game would be? And are you happy with evolutionary now?

1273
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:04,240
Speaker 2: I thought about it I only one of those old blakes,

1274
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 2: particularly old commentators, as are is better than that, was

1275
01:02:07,360 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 2: better than you know, well, the game faster, they're fitter,

1276
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,960
Speaker 2: they're bigger, yeah, much bigger, much bigger. I mean back

1277
01:02:14,200 --> 01:02:16,000
Speaker 2: Bease has to say to me, if you were feeding

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Speaker 2: up ninety five kilos, you're a monster. Yeah, you know,

1279
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Speaker 2: and now there are one hundred and fifteen.

1280
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Speaker 1: Hundred and twenty and running twelve seconds.

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01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, very hard to handle. So no,

1282
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Speaker 2: I I just love watching it at the top level.

1283
01:02:30,120 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 2: You know, the Grand Last Grand Final I called, I

1284
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,600
Speaker 2: thought was a great game Melbourne and Penrith. And you

1285
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:39,200
Speaker 2: know every Origin game is an occasion, so you know,

1286
01:02:39,320 --> 01:02:41,480
Speaker 2: people say I don't do this, don't do that. You

1287
01:02:41,520 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 2: know this changes and second phase and you know the

1288
01:02:44,600 --> 01:02:47,440
Speaker 2: cutout passes and you know all the things that you

1289
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 2: know are repetitious about it, and short dropouts and short

1290
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,680
Speaker 2: kickoffs and all that. But you know, I mean, I

1291
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:55,960
Speaker 2: just don't want to sit here as you know, a

1292
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,640
Speaker 2: veteran saying, oh it was better when I started in

1293
01:02:58,640 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 2: the eighties. Games evolved, and this game's evolved. It's evolve

1294
01:03:02,160 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 2: from nineteen hundred and eighth nineteen twenty eight, nineteen forty

1295
01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: eight nine and sixty eight to seventy eight eighty eight.

1296
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Speaker 1: And it keeps evolved nearly You're right, actually, by the way,

1297
01:03:09,080 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 1: nearly every ten years it changes if you look back

1298
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:14,760
Speaker 1: at ten years as sort of fairly significant change. I

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01:03:14,760 --> 01:03:16,240
Speaker 1: mean where it is now, I love it. I mean,

1300
01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,400
Speaker 1: is a great athletic spectacle. I can't move off sport,

1301
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,440
Speaker 1: and so I took it Limbics. I mean, how many

1302
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: limit games have you called?

1303
01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 2: I've been to seven. The first one was ninety two

1304
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,400
Speaker 2: in Barcelona, which I didn't do much calling because I

1305
01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:31,400
Speaker 2: was a commercial radio broadcaster. A seconda to the ABC,

1306
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,520
Speaker 2: and there was a bit of you know, good people there.

1307
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 2: I work with my dear friend David Murrow, the late

1308
01:03:37,560 --> 01:03:40,520
Speaker 2: David Morrow in ninety two, and some great commentators George

1309
01:03:40,520 --> 01:03:44,880
Speaker 2: williasicch Allen, Marx, Neville Oliver, really good ABC commentators. But

1310
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,160
Speaker 2: they gave me the Greco Raymond wrestling to cover, so

1311
01:03:48,600 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 2: we never had the competitor in Greco Rayman wrestling. We

1312
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 2: never won a medicals about a competitor, but it was

1313
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 2: yes so that those games were about learning. I've never

1314
01:03:58,160 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: been in the Olympics before, and I sat behind George

1315
01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 2: grew disition David Marra. At the track and field at

1316
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:07,200
Speaker 2: Mont Duik Stadium, I sat near Norman may for the swimming.

1317
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:09,880
Speaker 1: Norman Maye, he was the swimming legend. Yeah, yeah, he

1318
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: was a yeah glass so I remember someone telling me

1319
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: his story. Norman used to take his eye out sometimes

1320
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,120
Speaker 1: as a bit of a gag and put it in it. Yeah.

1321
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 2: He as a character nugget, and I mean he was

1322
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 2: a hero of mine. And you know, when I was

1323
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,920
Speaker 2: a kid, goal goal gold and then to think that

1324
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: I got to emulate him in ninety six in Atlanta.

1325
01:04:29,840 --> 01:04:31,720
Speaker 1: So you succeeded him, is it the bit right now?

1326
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,760
Speaker 4: Well sort of.

1327
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Speaker 2: Jerry Collins followed him to be the swimming commentator on

1328
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:40,680
Speaker 2: the ABC, but there was no real radio commercial radio

1329
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 2: swimming commentator and I fulfilled that role from about two

1330
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:46,640
Speaker 2: thousand and one. Right, So I did the swimming in

1331
01:04:46,680 --> 01:04:49,240
Speaker 2: two thousand, two thousand and four, two thousand and eight,

1332
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:53,520
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, I missed sixteen, and then we had COVID

1333
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: of course, and then I came back for twenty twenty four,

1334
01:04:55,960 --> 01:04:59,240
Speaker 2: so doing a back track and field and swimming, although

1335
01:04:59,280 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: in Paris mainly swimming. We had a brilliant young commentator.

1336
01:05:03,320 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 2: Who is the Melbourne race caller Matthew Hill. I think

1337
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,560
Speaker 2: he is perhaps the best commentator I've worked with. He's brilliant.

1338
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 2: He's just I mean, I've never I've never seen a blake.

1339
01:05:14,560 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got these fifteen hundred meter races, three

1340
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,000
Speaker 2: thousands people chase the five thousand to ten thousand, and

1341
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: you've got all these runners from Kenya and from different

1342
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 2: places looking the same and he can to identify them

1343
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:33,280
Speaker 2: within a second. You know, he's well. Anyone that listens

1344
01:05:33,280 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 2: to the Melbourne Cup calls or the big race in Melbourne,

1345
01:05:35,560 --> 01:05:38,480
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. He's just, he's a freakish commentator.

1346
01:05:38,600 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: Was there anybody that you loved to call in? I'd

1347
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:42,360
Speaker 1: like to pick on the swimming because that's one of

1348
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: my favorite events, so that you'd like to talk about that,

1349
01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of Australian competitors.

1350
01:05:47,320 --> 01:05:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, Ian Thorpe, I thought two thousand, the Americans go

1351
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:54,959
Speaker 2: in raging up favorites than the four by one yep.

1352
01:05:56,160 --> 01:06:00,880
Speaker 2: Ian Thorpe swims the anchor last last week, the last

1353
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:04,440
Speaker 2: leg against a million's a two hundred four hundred swimmer

1354
01:06:04,680 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 2: He's not a one hundred and fifty meters sprinter. He's

1355
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: a strong swimmer. He's up against the fastest fifty and

1356
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 2: one hundred meters swimmer in the world, Gary Hall Junior.

1357
01:06:15,160 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 2: In the last one hundred he's into the pool behind

1358
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: Gary Hall Jr. And you think, well, silver, and then

1359
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,640
Speaker 2: all of a sudden there's a sense of anticipation. On

1360
01:06:24,680 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 2: the turn of the fifty comes off the wall, he

1361
01:06:27,160 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: can't get him, and then he's going to get him.

1362
01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:33,000
Speaker 2: And then on the wall he gets him, and they

1363
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,960
Speaker 2: were They won more four by one hundred than anyone else,

1364
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:38,440
Speaker 2: the Americans for obvious reasons. They're very good at it.

1365
01:06:39,080 --> 01:06:42,600
Speaker 2: But I mean this Australian team anchored by being thought one.

1366
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:47,120
Speaker 2: And I sat next to him in Paris. He was

1367
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:49,440
Speaker 2: on Channel nine while I was on radio for nine Radio.

1368
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 2: And I love him as a person. I love him

1369
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: as a swimmer. And he was thrust into the limelight

1370
01:06:58,520 --> 01:07:01,120
Speaker 2: as a kid. I mean he was under it a boy, yeah,

1371
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 2: sixteen or something, yeah, and he was able to achieve

1372
01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:07,880
Speaker 2: all these things as a kid from southwestern Sydney. And

1373
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,520
Speaker 2: I think that's the greatest swimming performance I've ever seen.

1374
01:07:10,680 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 2: That last leg of the four by one in Sydney.

1375
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looked like he knew he had to win it.

1376
01:07:15,920 --> 01:07:16,160
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1377
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:19,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it takes an inner strength that not many

1378
01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:22,080
Speaker 2: would understand. I certainly don't understand in the strength athletes

1379
01:07:22,120 --> 01:07:24,920
Speaker 2: have to do what he did. I mean, you know,

1380
01:07:25,280 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: he knows that Gary Hall Junior is faster than Yeah,

1381
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:31,080
Speaker 2: he knows that he knows over fifty one hundred. You know,

1382
01:07:31,400 --> 01:07:32,960
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten, Gary Hall.

1383
01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 1: Junior boats him because he's a two hundred four.

1384
01:07:35,480 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he gets in the last leg and he

1385
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:37,959
Speaker 2: boots him.

1386
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: Switch tack altogether. Because sometimes this is a you know,

1387
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:44,640
Speaker 1: it can be ugly. What about I want to talk

1388
01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: politics to you. Yeah, I mean you don't hold back,

1389
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:49,439
Speaker 1: you rarely hold back.

1390
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 2: Well, it's an opinionated radio. You go together, you can't

1391
01:07:53,440 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 2: you get splinter sitting in your ear, sitting on the fence.

1392
01:07:55,520 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: So you've got to have a crack, totally got to

1393
01:07:56,880 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: have you gotta have a view. People, by the way,

1394
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,560
Speaker 1: peop want to hear view. If if I'm in a

1395
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,000
Speaker 1: radley listener, I want to know what rais view on

1396
01:08:03,080 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 1: it is.

1397
01:08:03,560 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I get paid for giving opinions. I

1398
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:07,480
Speaker 2: mean I'm not. I don't work on the ABC. What

1399
01:08:07,640 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: I've got to give base sides of the argument. Allegedly,

1400
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:13,960
Speaker 2: I'm on commercial radio giving my opinion and people will

1401
01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: agree with or disagree with it, but it's a firmly

1402
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: held opinion I have.

1403
01:08:17,400 --> 01:08:19,120
Speaker 1: Could we just talked about one second before I go

1404
01:08:19,200 --> 01:08:24,679
Speaker 1: into politics, in terms of you presenting your show every day?

1405
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:30,120
Speaker 1: What's the cadence office? So would you have forty eight

1406
01:08:30,160 --> 01:08:33,080
Speaker 1: weeks of the year. It's thirty six? What's the deal?

1407
01:08:33,400 --> 01:08:35,880
Speaker 2: Okay, so I have about six weeks off through the

1408
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:37,800
Speaker 2: course of the year. So I'm there for forty six

1409
01:08:37,880 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 2: or fifty two. The day starts at three point thirty

1410
01:08:41,040 --> 01:08:43,920
Speaker 2: with an alarm. I'm in the studio by about half

1411
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:47,240
Speaker 2: as four quarter to five. My staff one staff members

1412
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,040
Speaker 2: there when I get there. The other two make their

1413
01:08:50,120 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 2: arrival at five.

1414
01:08:51,040 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: What would they have done before you get there?

1415
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:56,320
Speaker 2: No, my staff member and I have the first ones

1416
01:08:56,360 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 2: in right once my executive user Olivia is and that's

1417
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,280
Speaker 2: always the case with my EP. We're the first ones in.

1418
01:09:03,000 --> 01:09:06,400
Speaker 2: We work by ourselves, and then the other two go

1419
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:07,160
Speaker 2: what are you doing?

1420
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 1: What are you doing?

1421
01:09:08,080 --> 01:09:11,839
Speaker 2: Oh? Well, I go through emails and I'll have emails.

1422
01:09:11,880 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: I'll check my emails the night before or before I

1423
01:09:13,560 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 2: get a bit about nine o'clock, I check and see

1424
01:09:15,439 --> 01:09:17,360
Speaker 2: if there's any emails, not for them to her and

1425
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 2: say we need to discuss this in the morning. There

1426
01:09:19,400 --> 01:09:22,120
Speaker 2: may be emails from politicians. There may be emails from.

1427
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,800
Speaker 1: Listeners, as in suggestions for the show.

1428
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:26,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there'll be things that we have to attend to.

1429
01:09:26,240 --> 01:09:29,640
Speaker 2: There might be an email from a person listening who

1430
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,880
Speaker 2: needs help with something and we're going to address that

1431
01:09:31,920 --> 01:09:34,519
Speaker 2: either on or off air. So there might be ten

1432
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,519
Speaker 2: of those, so we'll just make sure there are no

1433
01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:39,880
Speaker 2: more emails. When I get there. There's probably one hundred

1434
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,320
Speaker 2: of the coming overnight, and so I'll look at them

1435
01:09:42,320 --> 01:09:46,600
Speaker 2: and discard some of them and refer to others. And

1436
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 2: then we start to read in order the Telegraph, The Australian,

1437
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: the Herald of Financial Review. Back in the day when

1438
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 2: I did Brisbane, we check the Courier mail as well.

1439
01:09:57,360 --> 01:10:00,880
Speaker 2: I take notes, Olivia would take notes. The other staff,

1440
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:04,960
Speaker 2: two young ladies, Chelsea and Georgia, would come in and

1441
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 2: they'd start to do the same as we've done in

1442
01:10:07,320 --> 01:10:10,800
Speaker 2: case one of us missed something. So we do that

1443
01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:13,000
Speaker 2: until six o'clock. We have a meeting on the dot

1444
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,120
Speaker 2: at six and I'm joined by my panel operator th

1445
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,400
Speaker 2: and Gavin, who's been there since about half us five.

1446
01:10:18,439 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: He's getting the studio ready for me. We have a

1447
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,559
Speaker 2: meeting and we try to make the meeting a bit fun.

1448
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 2: We mix in the serious discussion with a little story.

1449
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,880
Speaker 2: I'd like to tell them stories. You know, they're young kids,

1450
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,240
Speaker 2: and so I've been around a long time. So I'll

1451
01:10:35,240 --> 01:10:37,559
Speaker 2: tell them stories about things that have happened in the

1452
01:10:37,600 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: past and just share things with them, you know, And

1453
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 2: it might be about something that happened twenty years ago,

1454
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,920
Speaker 2: it might be happening happened two weeks ago. But I'll

1455
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:48,120
Speaker 2: tell them stories to talk about. The kids, you know,

1456
01:10:48,200 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: what did you do yesterday? Because every Wednesday morning I've

1457
01:10:51,680 --> 01:10:53,800
Speaker 2: been to see the grandkids on Tuesday. So they'll ask

1458
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 2: me about what happened yesterday, what'd you do? You know,

1459
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,760
Speaker 2: and talk about that. Just we fit in with each other.

1460
01:11:00,160 --> 01:11:02,479
Speaker 2: They'll tell me things about their lives, just you know,

1461
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:05,720
Speaker 2: so we share information and then we get down to

1462
01:11:05,760 --> 01:11:07,800
Speaker 2: what we go through it all. By about half our six,

1463
01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: Olivia's designated who's doing what story? You do this you

1464
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:12,439
Speaker 2: do that, and.

1465
01:11:12,360 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: I do a bit of work on it.

1466
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:15,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do a bit of work on research and

1467
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 2: things like that. And then I tell them what I'll do.

1468
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 2: I'll say I'll do this, this, and this. Most of

1469
01:11:21,439 --> 01:11:23,519
Speaker 2: it now is off the top of my head. I mean,

1470
01:11:23,560 --> 01:11:25,160
Speaker 2: the shaw is pretty much and add live it's a

1471
01:11:25,200 --> 01:11:27,519
Speaker 2: bit like our conversation here. I mean there's no notes.

1472
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:29,760
Speaker 2: We're just talking to each other. Well, that's what I

1473
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:31,519
Speaker 2: do on the radio. I just talk about things I

1474
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,880
Speaker 2: know about and if I don't know about it, I'll

1475
01:11:33,880 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: make it up. And then I go into the studio.

1476
01:11:38,200 --> 01:11:40,240
Speaker 2: I got network commitments, you know where I've got to

1477
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:44,320
Speaker 2: record commercials for networks. So I'll do that. I'll do

1478
01:11:44,400 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 2: some other stuff in the studio for about half an hour.

1479
01:11:47,360 --> 01:11:49,759
Speaker 2: Then about seven o'clock I walk over the fish markets,

1480
01:11:49,880 --> 01:11:52,120
Speaker 2: which is across the road at Piedmont. I have a

1481
01:11:52,120 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 2: cup of coffee. I'll talk to the traders. I'll talk

1482
01:11:55,000 --> 01:11:57,840
Speaker 2: to delivery blacks. You know, I'm pretty well known over

1483
01:11:57,840 --> 01:11:59,599
Speaker 2: there because I've been going over there for twenty years.

1484
01:11:59,600 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 2: The boys ray, how you're going, you know, good boys,

1485
01:12:02,200 --> 01:12:04,960
Speaker 2: what's happening. They've got new fish markets being built. They'll

1486
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:07,600
Speaker 2: talk to me about that. I'll ask them about the prices,

1487
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 2: ask them about because a lot of retailers go down

1488
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:15,040
Speaker 2: there to get their supplies. What's the business like? They

1489
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,479
Speaker 2: tell me, things are tough, it's a tight week this week.

1490
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:20,320
Speaker 2: No one's spending any money. It's strange. Got this time

1491
01:12:20,400 --> 01:12:22,920
Speaker 2: last year they were spending. And then up a cup

1492
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: of coffee, and then I wander back over, get back

1493
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:29,479
Speaker 2: in the studio about cord to eight, and then start

1494
01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,920
Speaker 2: taking phone calls from people, you know, and Olivia will

1495
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,719
Speaker 2: come back and said that a request for this to happen,

1496
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:38,200
Speaker 2: that happened, This happened, and we talk about that, and

1497
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 2: then I then prepare my introduction. I do it on

1498
01:12:42,080 --> 01:12:44,280
Speaker 2: dot point. You just give myself some dot points and

1499
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,040
Speaker 2: the introduction lasts from about ten past nine to about

1500
01:12:47,080 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: twenty five to ten. You know, I just set the

1501
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,200
Speaker 2: taine for the day what I'm going to talk about.

1502
01:12:52,280 --> 01:12:55,439
Speaker 2: And then you said on air, Yeah, do it on air.

1503
01:12:55,960 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 1: These things are going to come off today. Yeah, in

1504
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:58,000
Speaker 1: the next.

1505
01:12:58,280 --> 01:12:59,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is what we're going to get into. And

1506
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,240
Speaker 2: this the stuff I'll talk about. And you know, then

1507
01:13:02,240 --> 01:13:04,640
Speaker 2: I might go from a tangent, as I often do

1508
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:11,920
Speaker 2: about something that's annoying me, and then there'll be interviews

1509
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:14,320
Speaker 2: organized or special guest in and then we might have

1510
01:13:14,360 --> 01:13:17,920
Speaker 2: on Monday a performer coming in. I love country music,

1511
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 2: so normally a country.

1512
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,160
Speaker 1: Music Are you going to give that show a way

1513
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:21,280
Speaker 1: by the way Saturday night.

1514
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's all finished. I had to talk to them

1515
01:13:23,400 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 2: this morning about it. We had someone else taking it over.

1516
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:27,280
Speaker 2: But that's good. It made of mine's going to pre

1517
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:31,080
Speaker 2: record that. Yeah, I recorded. That's done on a Wednesday morning. Actually,

1518
01:13:31,200 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: oh really, And that's one of the things the boys

1519
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:35,000
Speaker 2: used to joke with me at the football because it

1520
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: comes on after the football on a Saturday night and

1521
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: gall on them and say, you better get going. You've

1522
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 2: got the country music Countdown to do, Daryl. Course it's

1523
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: something else, the Country Music Cavalcade or something like that. So, yeah,

1524
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,479
Speaker 2: that's recorded Wednesday morning because it's got to go go

1525
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:51,160
Speaker 2: to about eighty network stations. Wow. So you've got to

1526
01:13:51,160 --> 01:13:53,760
Speaker 2: package it up and set it out to them. And

1527
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,320
Speaker 2: that's done, and it's in the can for Saturday night

1528
01:13:56,360 --> 01:14:02,080
Speaker 2: by Wednesday about seven point thirty, and then it's pretty

1529
01:14:02,160 --> 01:14:06,080
Speaker 2: much the same every day, I mean. And the difference

1530
01:14:06,360 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: was from about two thousand and two until twenty fourteen.

1531
01:14:10,560 --> 01:14:12,360
Speaker 2: During the football season, I did it for seven days

1532
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:14,200
Speaker 2: a week. I do the Monday at the Friday show

1533
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: and then I do the football on Sunday from March

1534
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 2: to October. And that was a bit of a haul

1535
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 2: that came about when Singo I went. I started there

1536
01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:33,599
Speaker 2: Christmas Eve two thousand and one. The to GB I'd

1537
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: come across from t U. I got the sack at

1538
01:14:35,520 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: to you We because they wanted to stop me doing

1539
01:14:38,320 --> 01:14:41,479
Speaker 2: laws his program and Doc mcpain and I said, So

1540
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 2: I rang Singo and said, you've been off from me

1541
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:45,200
Speaker 2: a job for a couple of years to call the

1542
01:14:45,240 --> 01:14:47,560
Speaker 2: football because we'd been not calling the football that you

1543
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:49,400
Speaker 2: Wei but beating Singo on the ratings. Had paid a

1544
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: million dollars for the rights. So Singer was desperate to

1545
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 2: get me over there. And I didn't fancy the people

1546
01:14:55,880 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 2: they had called on the football. So I rang him

1547
01:14:58,400 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 2: after I got the sack and said, on my yard

1548
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: you said, yeah, I heard you got the bullet. You

1549
01:15:01,960 --> 01:15:04,240
Speaker 2: better come over and every yard of me. So I

1550
01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,800
Speaker 2: was in a very negative position given that I'd got

1551
01:15:06,840 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 2: the bullet. So I went over and a yard to

1552
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 2: him and so he said, yeah, come and call the

1553
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 2: football and I said, well, he said, what about the

1554
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,800
Speaker 2: blogs I've got now? I said, well they're not no good.

1555
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:17,160
Speaker 2: He said what I said? They no good? He said,

1556
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:18,720
Speaker 2: but they're in the contract. I said, well they're no good.

1557
01:15:18,760 --> 01:15:20,559
Speaker 2: If you want me to come, I'm bringing my crew over.

1558
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 2: I'll bring fore Lingos, Fulton, Rach They're coming with me.

1559
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:27,360
Speaker 2: He said, all right, okay, Well, if you want to

1560
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 2: come and you want to bring them, I suppose I'll

1561
01:15:28,840 --> 01:15:30,120
Speaker 2: have to pay the other bugs out. And I said,

1562
01:15:30,120 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 2: well you've got plenty pay them out, so farewell. I'm

1563
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:34,599
Speaker 2: getting out of the joint because they're no good. Then

1564
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,200
Speaker 2: he said to me, have a listened to the station

1565
01:15:37,439 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 2: for about a month and see what you think. This

1566
01:15:39,439 --> 01:15:42,640
Speaker 2: is in the November December two thousand and one. So

1567
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 2: I had to listen and I'll rate in three percent

1568
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:47,320
Speaker 2: and four percent, you know. So he said, okay, what

1569
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 2: do you think. I said, well, you've got to get

1570
01:15:48,680 --> 01:15:52,080
Speaker 2: rid of all of them. He said, what everyone? I said, yeah,

1571
01:15:52,160 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: I said, you know, Kerry and Kenley is good, but

1572
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 2: the rest of them are good. Really, I said, yeah,

1573
01:15:57,840 --> 01:15:59,599
Speaker 2: he said, but they're really good Blake. So I said yeah,

1574
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 2: but says uncle Jack. But I wouldn't put him on

1575
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,639
Speaker 2: the radio. I said, you can't have people on the radio, John,

1576
01:16:04,680 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: cause they're good blacks. It doesn't work, mate. He said, okay,

1577
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,559
Speaker 2: we'll right. So I started doing breakfast Christmas Eve two

1578
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 2: thousand and one because he was trying to get James across.

1579
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 2: And then he got James to do breakfast and I

1580
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:21,360
Speaker 2: was just there to do the football and I think

1581
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 2: they had someone lined up to do the mornings, I

1582
01:16:23,560 --> 01:16:26,240
Speaker 2: don't know who, And they had this big press conference

1583
01:16:26,280 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 2: at the Park Height where the singer announced they'd signed

1584
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 2: James to lead the team to gb for breakfast. And

1585
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:38,439
Speaker 2: I'm at the back with Bob Rogers and George Bushman,

1586
01:16:38,479 --> 01:16:41,639
Speaker 2: the general manager, and singer's mum actually, who was there

1587
01:16:41,640 --> 01:16:45,840
Speaker 2: on the day, the sweet lady. Anyway, I'm just listening

1588
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 2: to it and James is talking about what he's going

1589
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:49,559
Speaker 2: to do, how he's going to do it, and all that,

1590
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:52,080
Speaker 2: you know. Then singer grabs the mic and says, I've

1591
01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,360
Speaker 2: got a very important announcement to make. He said, after

1592
01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:57,720
Speaker 2: some really delicate negotiations, he said, I've just convinced Ray

1593
01:16:57,720 --> 01:17:02,280
Speaker 2: Hadley to take over mornings on two GB. He never

1594
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:04,640
Speaker 2: spoke to me about it. I didn't know what for

1595
01:17:04,760 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 2: me to do the football, So they pushed me out

1596
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:08,599
Speaker 2: on stage and I got the owner of the radio

1597
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: station just announcing to one hundred media people that I'm

1598
01:17:11,040 --> 01:17:12,519
Speaker 2: going to do mornings. What am I going to say?

1599
01:17:12,680 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 1: These affronts?

1600
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:14,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1601
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:16,000
Speaker 1: There selling it today.

1602
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:19,040
Speaker 2: Well, it was just the announcement of Jones basically, so

1603
01:17:19,160 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 2: that all the media are there, you know. So I said, oh,

1604
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:24,360
Speaker 2: that's a great honor. John, thanks very much, you know.

1605
01:17:24,400 --> 01:17:27,120
Speaker 2: He said, oh, you take on laws and all this Jesus.

1606
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,040
Speaker 2: So we get the car to go back to Sasssex

1607
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,800
Speaker 2: Street with their studios. When I got the cars, what

1608
01:17:30,880 --> 01:17:33,200
Speaker 2: are you doing? I said, we haven't spoken about this.

1609
01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:36,920
Speaker 2: You haven't told me about mornings. He said, ah, he said,

1610
01:17:37,240 --> 01:17:38,840
Speaker 2: you know what's singers like? He said, I knew if

1611
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,240
Speaker 2: I put you on the stage, you wouldn't be able

1612
01:17:40,280 --> 01:17:42,840
Speaker 2: to say no. You'd have to say yes because you're

1613
01:17:42,840 --> 01:17:45,720
Speaker 2: an ambitious bastard. You want to a crack. And I

1614
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:47,000
Speaker 2: said all right. He said, now we're going to find

1615
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 2: a football commentator because I've sacked all the other blacks

1616
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:52,759
Speaker 2: on your advice. And I said, well, no, I'm calling

1617
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 2: the football. He said, what I said, I got to

1618
01:17:55,400 --> 01:17:57,719
Speaker 2: call the football. I got Frelingos, Fulton and Roach Company.

1619
01:17:58,040 --> 01:17:59,080
Speaker 2: What do you want me to ring them up and

1620
01:17:59,120 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 2: say good luck boys? I said, I can't do that.

1621
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 2: They're my mates. He said, what are you going to do?

1622
01:18:03,600 --> 01:18:07,240
Speaker 2: I said, well, I said, here's the plan. The plan

1623
01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:13,080
Speaker 2: is that I'm up against Laws, who's an institution. Okay,

1624
01:18:13,160 --> 01:18:15,439
Speaker 2: he hasn't got James's leading. I've got changes leading, so

1625
01:18:15,439 --> 01:18:18,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to be advantaged over him. He's having a

1626
01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:21,240
Speaker 2: fee bit of time off. I'll work seven days a

1627
01:18:21,240 --> 01:18:24,760
Speaker 2: week from Marsh to October. And the people say, I

1628
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: don't like this bastard much, but Geezy works hard. I said,

1629
01:18:29,080 --> 01:18:32,240
Speaker 2: I'll win them over eventually. So he said it'll kill you,

1630
01:18:32,280 --> 01:18:33,800
Speaker 2: and I said, well, it might kill me, but I'm

1631
01:18:33,800 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 2: going to do it. So I did it, and it

1632
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,599
Speaker 2: nearly did kill me. I did it for twelve years,

1633
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,600
Speaker 2: works seven days a week from Marsh to October. I

1634
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: don't know how I did it, but I did it.

1635
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 2: I was a lot younger than obviously, and by the

1636
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:49,479
Speaker 2: time we got to the end of two thousand and two,

1637
01:18:49,680 --> 01:18:51,559
Speaker 2: we beat Luti for the first time and then two

1638
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:53,160
Speaker 2: thousand and three, we beat him again, and we never

1639
01:18:53,160 --> 01:18:56,240
Speaker 2: got beaten again until I lost a survey about a

1640
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,840
Speaker 2: fortnight ago for the first time one hundred and sixty

1641
01:18:58,840 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 2: surveys or twenty years.

1642
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: I saw that a good believe. It's just off the

1643
01:19:01,479 --> 01:19:02,320
Speaker 1: back of your announcing.

1644
01:19:02,760 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean, look, I noticed Channel seven, who

1645
01:19:06,160 --> 01:19:08,439
Speaker 2: are one of our oppayents given around by nine radio,

1646
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:09,920
Speaker 2: did it? They met me out the back of the

1647
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:12,240
Speaker 2: day that the ratings came out, and the young blake

1648
01:19:12,600 --> 01:19:15,080
Speaker 2: you know, interviewed me, and I stopped the car. I

1649
01:19:15,120 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 2: don't to be impolite. He's been waiting there for me,

1650
01:19:16,960 --> 01:19:18,280
Speaker 2: so I come out of the car park. You know,

1651
01:19:18,320 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 2: you could drive off, but I thought they won't do

1652
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 2: that to the blake. So he was very polite and

1653
01:19:22,120 --> 01:19:24,639
Speaker 2: asked me about you know, he disappointed. I said, not really.

1654
01:19:24,720 --> 01:19:26,880
Speaker 2: I said, we won one hundred and sixty. That's twenty

1655
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 2: years unbeaten. No one's ever done that before, so it's

1656
01:19:30,200 --> 01:19:33,679
Speaker 2: something to hang you had on. And so I get

1657
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,040
Speaker 2: home and then I start getting phone calls about up six.

1658
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:39,800
Speaker 2: They put the package to wear and they said Ray

1659
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 2: Hadley's one hundred and sixty but lost today to ugly

1660
01:19:42,920 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: fill our Neil from WWES. So he's going to retire

1661
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: a failure. So I thought I failure, okay, given the

1662
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:54,800
Speaker 2: Channel seven can't beat Channel nine, I know a bit

1663
01:19:54,800 --> 01:19:57,880
Speaker 2: about failures compared to them. So there's one more survey

1664
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 2: to come on December seventeenth, and if I happened to

1665
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:04,519
Speaker 2: win it, which will mean I've won one hundred and

1666
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,320
Speaker 2: sixty one of one hundred and sixty two, I'll be

1667
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:08,320
Speaker 2: on the phone to someone at Channel seven saying, listen

1668
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 2: to you, lay a bastard the failure here. I've just

1669
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,120
Speaker 2: had a win. However, if I get beaten, I won't.

1670
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:14,639
Speaker 1: Be ringing anybody.

1671
01:20:14,680 --> 01:20:18,400
Speaker 2: I'll just disappear into the ether. But I'm going hard

1672
01:20:18,479 --> 01:20:20,839
Speaker 2: for this last survey because I'd love to win it,

1673
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:22,920
Speaker 2: just to jam at up Channel seven years for what

1674
01:20:22,960 --> 01:20:23,720
Speaker 2: they said about me.

1675
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:26,479
Speaker 1: Ray you talked about when you're said in your day

1676
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:30,480
Speaker 1: you get phone calls and I presume you know politicians

1677
01:20:30,479 --> 01:20:32,920
Speaker 1: will ringing or their chief of staff or something like that,

1678
01:20:33,200 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: or you might be ringing them. Who's the heart been

1679
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:38,639
Speaker 1: the toughest politician you've ever had to do with. I mean,

1680
01:20:38,920 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 1: in terms of punish.

1681
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,840
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnbull, he rang me one day and gave me

1682
01:20:43,880 --> 01:20:44,800
Speaker 2: a spray.

1683
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,800
Speaker 1: Over the phone, over the phone, not not on.

1684
01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 2: Either, No, no, no, no, he gave me spray. That's

1685
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: something I said. But I think most people had cowedtowed

1686
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:56,000
Speaker 2: to Malcolm, so given that I was a Western Suburbs boy,

1687
01:20:56,479 --> 01:20:59,040
Speaker 2: I replied in kind, I think Malcolm heard words he'd

1688
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 2: never heard before, along the lines of stick you hit up,

1689
01:21:01,479 --> 01:21:03,559
Speaker 2: you're asking you yourself as a fucking jug handle.

1690
01:21:04,160 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: And how did he take it?

1691
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:06,920
Speaker 2: Not too well? You can't speak to me like that.

1692
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:09,280
Speaker 2: I said, Well, don't bring me me. Who do you

1693
01:21:09,320 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: think you are? I'm no better than you, You're no

1694
01:21:11,320 --> 01:21:13,280
Speaker 2: better than me. And we went out at hambur and

1695
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:16,760
Speaker 2: Tong for quite a while and I might have got

1696
01:21:16,840 --> 01:21:18,400
Speaker 2: him to swear at me. Actually he may have lost

1697
01:21:18,400 --> 01:21:21,280
Speaker 2: his girl with me. But I mean, I don't like him.

1698
01:21:21,400 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 2: He doesn't like me. I think he was a dreadful

1699
01:21:24,320 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 2: prime minister and I don't think he's much of a

1700
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:26,719
Speaker 2: person either.

1701
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:33,200
Speaker 1: And the Tjibi or the group tends to be pro

1702
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:36,040
Speaker 1: more definitely not left now.

1703
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:39,000
Speaker 2: We're conservative conservatives. I'm a conservative commentator.

1704
01:21:39,080 --> 01:21:42,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course Malcolm was a little of the

1705
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 1: liberals at the time.

1706
01:21:43,439 --> 01:21:45,559
Speaker 2: But he was masquerading as a liberally he's a labor

1707
01:21:45,560 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 2: person because he turns his in. Well, no, I think

1708
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:52,160
Speaker 2: he was always left of right, I mean left of

1709
01:21:52,200 --> 01:21:55,479
Speaker 2: center in the liberals, in the liberals, and you know, he's,

1710
01:21:55,880 --> 01:22:00,680
Speaker 2: you know, a person that was elevated the prime ministership

1711
01:22:02,120 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: I think beyond his station in life. And he had

1712
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 2: a really good block like Brendan Nelson, who was and

1713
01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:12,880
Speaker 2: the leader before him who got you know, well, you

1714
01:22:12,920 --> 01:22:15,160
Speaker 2: wouldn't say knife, but you could say.

1715
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: Because the shafted shafted shifted sideways.

1716
01:22:18,520 --> 01:22:21,320
Speaker 2: And Nelson's a really good fella and a good decent

1717
01:22:21,400 --> 01:22:23,519
Speaker 2: man and would have been a good prime minister had

1718
01:22:23,560 --> 01:22:24,479
Speaker 2: he been given the chance.

1719
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,719
Speaker 1: Did you do with Scott Morrison?

1720
01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? I got on well with him. We had a

1721
01:22:28,280 --> 01:22:30,160
Speaker 2: couple of blues over time, but he I mean, he's

1722
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:32,400
Speaker 2: a decent human being. Scott. I mean, you know, where

1723
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:35,559
Speaker 2: do you go wrong? In the end? I think the

1724
01:22:35,560 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 2: holiday in Honolulu did him in. You know, I'm not

1725
01:22:39,200 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: holding a haz. I think he did a great job

1726
01:22:44,040 --> 01:22:45,200
Speaker 2: through COVID, I really do.

1727
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,559
Speaker 1: I think I under the circum says yes, yeah.

1728
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:49,240
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, no one had ever been there.

1729
01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:50,920
Speaker 2: We had a Spanish flew back and you know, one

1730
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 2: hundred years ago, but nothing in the middle of all

1731
01:22:52,960 --> 01:22:53,200
Speaker 2: of that.

1732
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:55,160
Speaker 1: It's always easy to look back and say, well.

1733
01:22:56,160 --> 01:22:59,880
Speaker 2: Should But he made some pretty tough decisions. And you know,

1734
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:02,200
Speaker 2: we're an island nation people who had to remember that,

1735
01:23:02,240 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, we weren't part of Europe or the United

1736
01:23:03,880 --> 01:23:05,800
Speaker 2: States of America, and he had to stop the spread

1737
01:23:05,800 --> 01:23:06,000
Speaker 2: of it.

1738
01:23:06,040 --> 01:23:07,360
Speaker 1: And he might to take advantage of the fact of

1739
01:23:07,439 --> 01:23:09,200
Speaker 1: oren island nations just closed to joined down.

1740
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, but I think he did his

1741
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:16,960
Speaker 2: best in very difficult circumstances. Of Scott Morrison. What about Elba, Well,

1742
01:23:17,320 --> 01:23:19,599
Speaker 2: I'm don Albo for about thirty five years and I've

1743
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,760
Speaker 2: got to admit that when he was elevated to the leadership, well,

1744
01:23:23,800 --> 01:23:25,600
Speaker 2: you know, he's a knockabout sort of blake. He's a

1745
01:23:25,680 --> 01:23:28,400
Speaker 2: rabbit as man, and you know he's from the left

1746
01:23:28,400 --> 01:23:31,519
Speaker 2: of the Labor Party. But you know, I really was

1747
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,519
Speaker 2: encouraged by him. I thought, you know, he might have

1748
01:23:33,680 --> 01:23:38,160
Speaker 2: cracked this blake. But I now, can you conclude by

1749
01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,080
Speaker 2: saying I think he's the worst prime minister I've seen

1750
01:23:40,200 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: in my time in Broadway? Who said, yeah, I think

1751
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 2: he's just not up to the task. I don't think

1752
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:48,000
Speaker 2: he's electually he's up to the task. I don't think

1753
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 2: that he's smart enough. I mean, even going to the election,

1754
01:23:51,400 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 2: I started with doubts when he stuffed up interest rates.

1755
01:23:54,439 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a knock.

1756
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: About when they asked him what's.

1757
01:23:56,840 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he had no idea. And you can't. So

1758
01:24:00,520 --> 01:24:03,080
Speaker 2: you can't be the leader of the nation and not

1759
01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:06,160
Speaker 2: know those even if you know you're not well versed

1760
01:24:06,160 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 2: in finances. You are, I'm not, you know, but I'd

1761
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 2: still if I was being the leader, I'd make sure

1762
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,760
Speaker 2: that I'd be saying to people, I need all these

1763
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,519
Speaker 2: facts and figures in pretty basic Yeah, I need to

1764
01:24:16,560 --> 01:24:19,080
Speaker 2: know all this stuff. And even if I'm not enamored

1765
01:24:19,080 --> 01:24:21,439
Speaker 2: by it, it's not one of my gays, I need

1766
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,680
Speaker 2: you to be here telling me about it. Yeah.

1767
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:25,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, But who do you think is the gross prominence

1768
01:24:25,520 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 1: of then in your time?

1769
01:24:27,400 --> 01:24:36,479
Speaker 2: Oh Howard? Why a really steady hand smart the gun?

1770
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 2: The gun buy back?

1771
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: Yeah after port Arthur.

1772
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 2: I mean that wasn't very popular at the time. I mean,

1773
01:24:44,720 --> 01:24:47,960
Speaker 2: you know, you reflect back. But a brave decision and

1774
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,320
Speaker 2: a right decision, as it turns out, A very right

1775
01:24:50,360 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 2: decision and there's a sense of decency and he was

1776
01:24:54,439 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: never panicked or flustered. And as opposed to Albanezi, who

1777
01:24:58,200 --> 01:25:01,559
Speaker 2: doesn't know he asked from his elbow, how was always

1778
01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:04,360
Speaker 2: on top of everything. He was always well briefed, and

1779
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:07,280
Speaker 2: you know, he and he was made fun of and

1780
01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 2: you know, people made fun of him over quirks and

1781
01:25:10,520 --> 01:25:13,720
Speaker 2: different things he did. But I think that he was

1782
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:16,479
Speaker 2: a wonderful prime minister at a very difficult time.

1783
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 1: And I think it also I think I think Albo

1784
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: is a great politician. And what I mean by that

1785
01:25:22,520 --> 01:25:25,680
Speaker 1: is as a diplomat, like he'd be a great diplomat.

1786
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,240
Speaker 1: I don't think he's been a great leader in the

1787
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:29,040
Speaker 1: leadership sense.

1788
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 2: I quite like the Blake, so do. I quite like him,

1789
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,719
Speaker 2: and you know, but leadership is not not his and

1790
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: so I'd like to repair our relationship when he's not

1791
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:42,240
Speaker 2: Prime minister, when he's not in such an important job,

1792
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:45,000
Speaker 2: you know. And I mean he was transport minister at

1793
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,639
Speaker 2: one stage, and I don't think he's a very good

1794
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 2: transport minister. I just think that, you know, I think

1795
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:54,360
Speaker 2: Bill Shorton would have been a pretty good prime minister.

1796
01:25:54,680 --> 01:25:58,000
Speaker 2: I really do the way's handled the DUAS has been

1797
01:25:58,120 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 2: very good, and I've had a lot to do with him,

1798
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,839
Speaker 2: maybe the as because there's a lot of frailties attached

1799
01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: to it, and it's very important that we look after

1800
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:08,880
Speaker 2: people are less fortunate than most of us. But I mean,

1801
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:11,439
Speaker 2: he was given a shit sandwich, really when they said

1802
01:26:11,520 --> 01:26:12,280
Speaker 2: you look after this.

1803
01:26:12,479 --> 01:26:15,320
Speaker 1: And the thing with Bill, he will aim up, He'll

1804
01:26:15,360 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 1: turn Oh yeah, no's Bill turn up if you call him.

1805
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:22,000
Speaker 2: I heard. I've had conversations to him carry out of it.

1806
01:26:22,080 --> 01:26:24,240
Speaker 2: I've been in the middle of nowhere. I remember I

1807
01:26:24,240 --> 01:26:29,479
Speaker 2: was driving from Mudgie to the Gold Case, probably earlier

1808
01:26:29,520 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 2: this year or late last year, maybe earlier this year.

1809
01:26:33,160 --> 01:26:37,280
Speaker 2: I broadcast in Mudgie at the racetrack for the Country Championships,

1810
01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:38,559
Speaker 2: and I was making my way up to the Gold

1811
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,560
Speaker 2: Case for some other reason, and I was in the

1812
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:46,200
Speaker 2: middle of nowhere and he rang about a really difficult

1813
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:48,680
Speaker 2: situation with the endu AS with someone who has had

1814
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,720
Speaker 2: special needs. And I told him the story and said,

1815
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:53,640
Speaker 2: you've got to help me with this person, because this

1816
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:56,120
Speaker 2: is dreadful. You know, I got all the ruders stealing

1817
01:26:56,160 --> 01:26:58,719
Speaker 2: money from us, and you've got this really, really poor

1818
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,960
Speaker 2: person that needs some help, and he was really invested

1819
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:04,519
Speaker 2: in it, and he solved the problem for this poor person.

1820
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,519
Speaker 2: I mean so that, I mean, you know, I'm happy

1821
01:27:08,520 --> 01:27:10,400
Speaker 2: for me getting out of politics and going to be

1822
01:27:10,479 --> 01:27:12,160
Speaker 2: the vice chancellor or the A and U or wherever

1823
01:27:12,160 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 2: he's heading. But I mean I think it was a

1824
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:15,360
Speaker 2: I think he's a good person.

1825
01:27:15,560 --> 01:27:18,960
Speaker 1: I think he's your person. I hope you doulged you

1826
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:20,600
Speaker 1: for a secon. But I've got some people who have

1827
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: who know that I'm talking to you, and I got this.

1828
01:27:28,360 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if I should tell you what's wrong.

1829
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: But oh guess Okay, has anyone and this is an

1830
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:39,439
Speaker 1: important one from his individual He says, Assray, has anyone

1831
01:27:39,479 --> 01:27:42,400
Speaker 1: ever attacked his family course that related to Ray Hadley?

1832
01:27:42,680 --> 01:27:47,400
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, tell me about it. My son, my son,

1833
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,720
Speaker 2: my son got caught with point sixty programmed cocaine.

1834
01:27:54,120 --> 01:27:55,559
Speaker 1: That's not that's sixty percent.

1835
01:27:55,840 --> 01:27:58,320
Speaker 2: It was nothing, Yeah, one hundred dollars worth of cocaine.

1836
01:27:58,840 --> 01:28:03,640
Speaker 2: My son was struggling with PTSD and had he not

1837
01:28:03,720 --> 01:28:07,639
Speaker 2: been my son, he lost his career as a police officer.

1838
01:28:09,560 --> 01:28:13,519
Speaker 2: He suffered what they call curial punishment. What does that, Well,

1839
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:17,240
Speaker 2: that means he's been punished because of his name. The

1840
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,280
Speaker 2: magistrate took that into account. He pleaded guilty. Obviously he lost.

1841
01:28:21,360 --> 01:28:23,800
Speaker 2: He resigned his commission in the police force after nine

1842
01:28:23,880 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 2: years there serving the state, and he was on the

1843
01:28:28,280 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: front page of the paper. He's been called a drug

1844
01:28:31,439 --> 01:28:37,760
Speaker 2: addict in Parliament by Mark Latham more recently. He's as

1845
01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:40,960
Speaker 2: p I'm as proud as him as ever could be,

1846
01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: because he was in big trouble, big trouble and his

1847
01:28:48,280 --> 01:28:51,280
Speaker 2: mum and I went to see him in hospital and

1848
01:28:51,400 --> 01:28:53,760
Speaker 2: I was really worried about him, really worried about him,

1849
01:28:53,760 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 2: as was his mum, and he dragged himself from the

1850
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:02,880
Speaker 2: depths of despair. He got himself a job at Racing

1851
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:07,479
Speaker 2: U South Wales as an undercover operative, you know, not

1852
01:29:07,560 --> 01:29:10,439
Speaker 2: dealing with bikes and hens, but dealing with people who

1853
01:29:10,439 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 2: were doing silly things. He's now the general manager of

1854
01:29:13,680 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 2: investigations that Racing YOU South Wales on his own. And

1855
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 2: when I talk to people in the racing industry whom

1856
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:25,720
Speaker 2: I know quite well, they tell me he's an outstanding individual.

1857
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:29,880
Speaker 2: He's got a wife and three kids and where he's

1858
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:32,040
Speaker 2: come from, where he's got to, I couldn't.

1859
01:29:31,680 --> 01:29:33,479
Speaker 1: Be prouder It sounds like a proud dad to me.

1860
01:29:33,880 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 2: And he got tortured by people because his name was Hadley.

1861
01:29:39,080 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 2: He made a mistake, he made a silly mistake. It

1862
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:43,960
Speaker 2: cost him his career and he had a very good

1863
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:44,720
Speaker 2: career in front of.

1864
01:29:44,760 --> 01:29:46,960
Speaker 1: Him, and he had to read about it in the

1865
01:29:47,000 --> 01:29:50,880
Speaker 1: papers because of his surname. And exactly he can resonate

1866
01:29:50,920 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 1: with that one, mate, I know that one works. This

1867
01:29:53,200 --> 01:29:57,479
Speaker 1: one's slightly different. Can you tell me about be the

1868
01:29:57,520 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: first person in the world to report the death of

1869
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:00,000
Speaker 1: Isama bin life?

1870
01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, that's Fordham spot on it. Yes, there was

1871
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,360
Speaker 2: a report that we did get it right because he

1872
01:30:11,400 --> 01:30:14,000
Speaker 2: did eventually get killed, but we went off a bit early,

1873
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:16,439
Speaker 2: probably about three or four months early.

1874
01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 1: But you're predicting it.

1875
01:30:18,600 --> 01:30:20,719
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I said to band at the time.

1876
01:30:21,720 --> 01:30:25,599
Speaker 2: So yes, we had a report. As it turned out,

1877
01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,559
Speaker 2: it was a blake who apparently looked like something in

1878
01:30:27,640 --> 01:30:31,040
Speaker 2: Laden who met his waterloo in the belief somewhere, and

1879
01:30:31,120 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 2: that we reported it, then we unreported it, and then

1880
01:30:34,760 --> 01:30:37,759
Speaker 2: when he did get eventually taken out by the CIA,

1881
01:30:38,240 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: I made everyone check it eight times before I broadcast it,

1882
01:30:41,120 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 2: so I wouldn't have been Fordham sending you notes like

1883
01:30:43,160 --> 01:30:45,799
Speaker 2: he did today.

1884
01:30:46,120 --> 01:30:48,320
Speaker 1: I got this from so we've been trying you and

1885
01:30:48,400 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: I trying to.

1886
01:30:48,800 --> 01:30:50,920
Speaker 2: Ring Raps before we came there. Right, so he got

1887
01:30:50,920 --> 01:30:56,200
Speaker 2: back to it, but Marc has I just you wouldn't

1888
01:30:56,280 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 2: hear it? Is ringing it in a response, what's the problem?

1889
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 2: Want me to ring in now?

1890
01:31:01,479 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 5: Now?

1891
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:05,000
Speaker 2: It was pretty much okay, has he done this show?

1892
01:31:05,080 --> 01:31:07,160
Speaker 1: Yeah he has? Yeah, yeah, right there put him on

1893
01:31:07,200 --> 01:31:07,599
Speaker 1: last peak.

1894
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:14,760
Speaker 2: Happy answers, what's the problem?

1895
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,799
Speaker 4: Hello, Rabs, It's Hadley.

1896
01:31:16,840 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: I'm with Mark Burris doing this podcast podcast, you know,

1897
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,600
Speaker 2: the one like you did ye is soundly thing I.

1898
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 5: Think I've done in live before.

1899
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:30,280
Speaker 2: You Now, well, I've been trying to ring it. Mark's here.

1900
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 2: We're actually live on the podcast at the moment. I've

1901
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,000
Speaker 2: rung your mobile because I saw your message, Rabs. I

1902
01:31:35,040 --> 01:31:38,839
Speaker 2: had to land Rabs. I had to land ray your makeup.

1903
01:31:39,720 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 2: He looks pretty good, the makeup that you made it.

1904
01:31:42,120 --> 01:31:45,320
Speaker 2: You got my guys to run up. I said, you

1905
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,160
Speaker 2: looked all right when I saw you on TV, and

1906
01:31:47,200 --> 01:31:49,479
Speaker 2: I didn't know you had as a staff all over

1907
01:31:49,479 --> 01:31:50,000
Speaker 2: your melon.

1908
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:54,120
Speaker 1: But yes you ras. The reason I'm ringing you, mate,

1909
01:31:54,240 --> 01:31:57,240
Speaker 1: is do you have one question you would like to

1910
01:31:57,280 --> 01:32:02,400
Speaker 1: ask Ray in this retirement podcast. He's doing me today.

1911
01:32:03,680 --> 01:32:16,160
Speaker 2: Be careful, Mark Field. No personal ones, no no, no

1912
01:32:16,360 --> 01:32:17,919
Speaker 2: marriage advice stories.

1913
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 4: Okay, what what about?

1914
01:32:27,479 --> 01:32:29,559
Speaker 2: What about the time on the first tea at Castle

1915
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:34,000
Speaker 2: Hill and I actually to get me another ping shirt

1916
01:32:34,040 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: one day, a ping jumper? You remember that?

1917
01:32:37,880 --> 01:32:38,240
Speaker 5: I think?

1918
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:41,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I do.

1919
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 5: I actually got your major sponsorship there with.

1920
01:32:46,600 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 2: This is what happened. Okay. I was going through a

1921
01:32:49,200 --> 01:32:52,679
Speaker 2: very difficult time of my life, Mark and viewers, and

1922
01:32:53,439 --> 01:32:55,880
Speaker 2: we used to play golf every Monday, and it was

1923
01:32:56,200 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 2: getting towards winter, and there was a certain thing happening

1924
01:33:00,640 --> 01:33:04,240
Speaker 2: in my life that involved a person in Canberra. So

1925
01:33:04,960 --> 01:33:06,559
Speaker 2: I've turned up and I said to Raps on the

1926
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,680
Speaker 2: first tea, I said, can you get me another one

1927
01:33:08,720 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 2: of those pink jumpers? And he said, I've.

1928
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:12,000
Speaker 4: Got your three already.

1929
01:33:12,040 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 2: I said, yeah, they're all gone to Witty replied yes,

1930
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:17,120
Speaker 2: So it does get cold in Camebra.

1931
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 5: I was in the police force there for three years.

1932
01:33:23,800 --> 01:33:24,639
Speaker 2: I'm not that again.

1933
01:33:25,240 --> 01:33:27,040
Speaker 5: I'll tell you my memory is not as bad as

1934
01:33:27,080 --> 01:33:28,479
Speaker 5: you probably think it was.

1935
01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:33,760
Speaker 2: On the first tea, that's right, it was too Yeah.

1936
01:33:33,400 --> 01:33:37,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, you're your golfing buddies these days would remember it well.

1937
01:33:38,520 --> 01:33:43,120
Speaker 5: But no, Mark, I'd rather take a leaf pass on it.

1938
01:33:43,439 --> 01:33:45,439
Speaker 1: But what would you like to say to Ray given

1939
01:33:45,479 --> 01:33:47,519
Speaker 1: that he's just retired, and what can you tell us?

1940
01:33:47,640 --> 01:33:49,360
Speaker 1: What just don't have to be a story? What do

1941
01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:51,200
Speaker 1: you want to say to him?

1942
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,120
Speaker 5: Well? I think I said said to him just the

1943
01:33:54,160 --> 01:33:58,160
Speaker 5: other day that you know, if it's becoming a bit

1944
01:33:58,200 --> 01:34:02,599
Speaker 5: of a drudge and it might be time, But I said,

1945
01:34:02,680 --> 01:34:07,280
Speaker 5: don't be don't be ashamed of the achievement. It's been

1946
01:34:07,520 --> 01:34:09,320
Speaker 5: an incredible one.

1947
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 1: Can you imagine how much money too Jib's going to save?

1948
01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 5: You?

1949
01:34:13,080 --> 01:34:15,240
Speaker 1: Imagine much money to j b is going to save.

1950
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 5: I don't want to go there.

1951
01:34:20,680 --> 01:34:21,320
Speaker 4: Have you ever been.

1952
01:34:21,240 --> 01:34:22,120
Speaker 1: Paid that much money?

1953
01:34:22,160 --> 01:34:22,519
Speaker 4: Rabs?

1954
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 1: Like you know how much?

1955
01:34:28,400 --> 01:34:30,880
Speaker 2: Listen? What about the tape I left in the letter

1956
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: box in Corprira, raid North made in ninety eighty. You

1957
01:34:33,520 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 2: never listened to your labor blood.

1958
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:41,520
Speaker 5: You put it in the wrong little It was five.

1959
01:34:43,320 --> 01:34:44,719
Speaker 1: No one wrong is memory? Yeah?

1960
01:34:44,920 --> 01:34:46,599
Speaker 2: I put it in the letter box and I said

1961
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:48,240
Speaker 2: to him, could you please listen to the tape? We

1962
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,880
Speaker 2: call him football? And about fifteen years later I said, Rabs,

1963
01:34:52,080 --> 01:34:54,560
Speaker 2: where's that tape and he said, look, he said, you

1964
01:34:54,640 --> 01:34:57,200
Speaker 2: put in the wrong box. He said the wrong number. Yeah,

1965
01:34:57,439 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 2: it was in the right box. He just didn't listen

1966
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:03,280
Speaker 2: to it.

1967
01:35:03,280 --> 01:35:08,120
Speaker 5: It wasn't it wasn't personal tools. I don't think I

1968
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 5: was going through a you know, any bit of time

1969
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:15,840
Speaker 5: than then I was going through. I was going through

1970
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:18,160
Speaker 5: the hell of a time at that particular.

1971
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:21,360
Speaker 2: Oh good, I want me to feel sorry for you

1972
01:35:21,400 --> 01:35:22,160
Speaker 2: now for not listening.

1973
01:35:23,000 --> 01:35:26,200
Speaker 5: I just want to want to put we all have

1974
01:35:26,320 --> 01:35:26,720
Speaker 5: our lump.

1975
01:35:29,080 --> 01:35:30,559
Speaker 4: We've had a few together, all mate.

1976
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, no, it's been it's been a long haul.

1977
01:35:37,000 --> 01:35:41,000
Speaker 1: You've decided to give it a miss.

1978
01:35:41,479 --> 01:35:44,439
Speaker 5: I think you're pop back though. Won't you do a

1979
01:35:44,520 --> 01:35:45,559
Speaker 5: thing here and a thing there?

1980
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:47,240
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm not going to said to Mark, I'm

1981
01:35:47,240 --> 01:35:49,280
Speaker 2: not going to retire full time. I'm going to do something.

1982
01:35:49,320 --> 01:35:51,920
Speaker 2: I don't know what I'll do. Yeah, I'll do something.

1983
01:35:52,000 --> 01:35:53,200
Speaker 2: I won't be doing a podcast.

1984
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:56,400
Speaker 5: I was looking is he nervous? Because when I sat

1985
01:35:56,479 --> 01:36:01,440
Speaker 5: down there, he said to me, I've interviewed, uh, prime ministers,

1986
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:06,320
Speaker 5: I've interviewed royalty, I've interviewed I'm trying to think of

1987
01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 5: the word to describe.

1988
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:12,840
Speaker 1: I said, murderers gangsters, porn stars, prime ministers and that.

1989
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:15,799
Speaker 1: But I'm very nervous to interview Ray Warren.

1990
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:19,840
Speaker 5: You did. In fact, I was shaking like a leaf

1991
01:36:19,880 --> 01:36:22,599
Speaker 5: at the time, and I thought to myself, well, what

1992
01:36:22,640 --> 01:36:25,160
Speaker 5: am I doing being nervous? He's lying the plane.

1993
01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 2: Did he tell you the job? Did you tell you

1994
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,880
Speaker 2: the story about the caravan rabbits? Did he know? Did

1995
01:36:31,920 --> 01:36:34,760
Speaker 2: you tell Mark about the caravan a station? But well,

1996
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 2: let me tell you. So now it's not too long,

1997
01:36:38,280 --> 01:36:42,040
Speaker 2: I'll can do it. There were shortened version. So we're

1998
01:36:42,040 --> 01:36:46,120
Speaker 2: going to Newcastle Races together, right to call the races together.

1999
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:49,599
Speaker 2: In other words, rabs take me up to call the races.

2000
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 2: He's going to get my punt. So we get up there.

2001
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 2: I drive, we get there, so anyway, I go and

2002
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:56,439
Speaker 2: do the first race. He said, listen, you did the

2003
01:36:56,439 --> 01:36:58,160
Speaker 2: first three or four. I'll come up and do the

2004
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:01,040
Speaker 2: next couple. So I do races one, two, three, four

2005
01:37:01,080 --> 01:37:04,880
Speaker 2: and five. I'm paging to the broadcast box. He said,

2006
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,599
Speaker 2: what do you want. I said, well, christ I said,

2007
01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:09,320
Speaker 2: you're getting paid to do this. I might be calling

2008
01:37:09,320 --> 01:37:11,880
Speaker 2: all the races. This is back in the nineteen eighties,

2009
01:37:11,880 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 2: you know, And he said, that's the problem with you, young.

2010
01:37:14,000 --> 01:37:17,599
Speaker 4: Blake's no appreciation of learning the art of race calling.

2011
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:19,519
Speaker 4: I'm giving an opportunity and want to page me.

2012
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,680
Speaker 2: Now leave me a lane. So he comes back to

2013
01:37:21,760 --> 01:37:23,479
Speaker 2: the last race. He said, you got your check book

2014
01:37:23,520 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 2: with you and I said yeah. He said, good, give

2015
01:37:25,360 --> 01:37:28,040
Speaker 2: me a check for three thousand. I said, Rabs something

2016
01:37:28,080 --> 01:37:29,479
Speaker 2: a three hundred a week. Am I going to give

2017
01:37:29,479 --> 01:37:32,200
Speaker 2: you three thousand? He said, make it a dominic burn.

2018
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 2: So he goes downstairs. There's a bit with Dominique. It

2019
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:38,080
Speaker 2: gets Beaten comes up to the broadcast box. He said right,

2020
01:37:38,160 --> 01:37:40,479
Speaker 2: he said, I said, Rabs the three thousand. I need

2021
01:37:40,520 --> 01:37:42,840
Speaker 2: the three thousand. He said, we'll figure it all out.

2022
01:37:42,920 --> 01:37:45,360
Speaker 2: He had a mate called Tails work in the Comwealth bank,

2023
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 2: so he said, we'll get a personal lane off Tails.

2024
01:37:50,560 --> 01:37:51,679
Speaker 1: So we'll get a personal line.

2025
01:37:51,760 --> 01:37:53,800
Speaker 2: We'll get a personal lane for my three thousand. So

2026
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:57,680
Speaker 2: we go to see Tiles, but tass on holidays. So

2027
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:00,960
Speaker 2: we go in to the bank. The assistant manages the boss.

2028
01:38:01,240 --> 01:38:04,040
Speaker 2: Rabs doesn't n him. So we go in and he says,

2029
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,320
Speaker 2: we'd like to get a person alone. I'm thinking about

2030
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,800
Speaker 2: buying a caravan up at East Ocean Beach and mind

2031
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:11,240
Speaker 2: and he said, oh really, he said down, I said that.

2032
01:38:11,240 --> 01:38:13,479
Speaker 2: He said, it's about six thousand dollars you know. He said,

2033
01:38:13,479 --> 01:38:16,360
Speaker 2: oh beautiful, he said lovely. He said what row were

2034
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:17,880
Speaker 2: you in? He said, what do you mean?

2035
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 5: What row? On me?

2036
01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:22,639
Speaker 4: He said, I've got a sight up there in. Rabs

2037
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:22,960
Speaker 4: looked at me.

2038
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,920
Speaker 2: He said, look mate, we'll just go and check out

2039
01:38:25,920 --> 01:38:26,920
Speaker 2: the site and come back.

2040
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:29,599
Speaker 4: He picked the only assistant being.

2041
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:32,320
Speaker 2: Measured in Australia that had a caravan the same joined

2042
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:34,160
Speaker 2: to buy a caravan which didn't exist.

2043
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:37,920
Speaker 4: True or not, it's.

2044
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:42,479
Speaker 5: Thing about a thousand.

2045
01:38:42,920 --> 01:38:45,280
Speaker 4: You never paid me back that money, either of you. Blood.

2046
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,679
Speaker 1: You're goodbye, Sarah Rabs, Thank you Sarah.

2047
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:54,040
Speaker 2: Mate. See he's one of the best mate trips made champion.

2048
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:57,760
Speaker 1: Well on behalf of everybody listens to you, and every

2049
01:38:58,160 --> 01:39:01,200
Speaker 1: and everybody whose lives you've touched, and there's a lot

2050
01:39:01,240 --> 01:39:03,880
Speaker 1: of them. We want to say congratulations and thanks very much,

2051
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:05,479
Speaker 1: a big, big thank you mate, that.

2052
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 2: It's been a pleasure. It's been great. Sophie, I have

2053
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:10,760
Speaker 2: you enjoyed it? Because she'll be the best judge of

2054
01:39:10,840 --> 01:39:12,680
Speaker 2: whether this is going off or right because she's a

2055
01:39:12,720 --> 01:39:13,479
Speaker 2: mac bur Us fan.

2056
01:39:13,680 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 1: Good call.

2057
01:39:14,160 --> 01:39:16,000
Speaker 2: Saphie. Thanks mate,