WEBVTT - Jess Hill on how to stop domestic violence

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<v Speaker 1>I would wake up at four point thirty in the morning.

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<v Speaker 2>It was really the only thing I thought about and

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<v Speaker 2>focused on for that entire time.

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<v Speaker 3>Jess Hill hasn't been sleeping much lately.

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<v Speaker 2>I just would be crunching through trying to get to

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<v Speaker 2>the nub of what needed to be done throughout the

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<v Speaker 2>day and night.

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<v Speaker 3>For the past three months, she's been working on a

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<v Speaker 3>plan to try and end violence against women and children.

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<v Speaker 2>This report really came about because of the sharp escalation

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<v Speaker 2>in domestic homicides.

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<v Speaker 4>Were the government of acknowledge that the national emergency, and

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<v Speaker 4>the horror expressed by the Australian public about why this

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<v Speaker 4>was happening and how can we stop it.

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<v Speaker 3>The alban Easy government has assembled an expert panel to

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<v Speaker 3>conduct a rapid review into domestic violence the panel and.

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<v Speaker 2>When I was finally they asked to be part of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I knew that this was going to be a herculean task,

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<v Speaker 2>especially when they said you've got twelve weeks.

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<v Speaker 3>Now that plan is out, it looks beyond the education

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<v Speaker 3>campaigns that we've come to understand as domestic violence prevention

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<v Speaker 3>and calls for a complete overhaul to the way government

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<v Speaker 3>responds to men killing women and their children From Schwartz Media.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Ruby Jones. This is seven AM Today, journalist and

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<v Speaker 3>co author of the rapid review Jess Hill on what's

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<v Speaker 3>in the report and whether we're going to see any change.

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<v Speaker 3>It's Wednesday, August twenty eight. Jess, twelve weeks ago you

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<v Speaker 3>were appointed to this panel to look at how violence

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<v Speaker 3>against women and children can be prevented. That time is up,

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<v Speaker 3>your review is published, So what did you find?

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<v Speaker 2>So essentially, what we did is we started off with

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<v Speaker 2>kind of an endless blue skyscope, right, and then we

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<v Speaker 2>had to crush it down into something that could be

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<v Speaker 2>achievable for the federal and state and territory governments. So

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<v Speaker 2>what we decided was to zero in on what ended

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<v Speaker 2>up being twenty one recommendations, and we wanted to look

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<v Speaker 2>for the big leavers, like what are the big things

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<v Speaker 2>that haven't been taken full advantage of? To start with,

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<v Speaker 2>it was really critical that the review foreground Aboriginal and

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<v Speaker 2>Torres Straight Islander women and children, and to recognize that

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<v Speaker 2>there is already enormous work underway to get the standalone

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<v Speaker 2>First Nation's National Plan finished and that this review needed

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<v Speaker 2>to support that.

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<v Speaker 1>So the primary finding of this review was.

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<v Speaker 2>That the potential for prevention exists in more areas than

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<v Speaker 2>Australia has previously recognized. We need to be looking at

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<v Speaker 2>how do we prevent violence once it's already occurring, how

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<v Speaker 2>do we prevent violence once it's already at severe stages

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<v Speaker 2>and before it becomes fatal?

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<v Speaker 1>And also how.

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<v Speaker 2>Do we go back to an area that we have

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<v Speaker 2>neglected for so long.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is the experiences of children and young people.

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<v Speaker 2>When we've talked about prevention and children and young people,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of it has been about teaching them how

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<v Speaker 2>to have respectful relationships.

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<v Speaker 1>But where has been the emphasis.

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<v Speaker 2>On helping children young people recover from trauma of experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>family violence or sexual violence themselves. To really respond to

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<v Speaker 2>this area and to unlock the prevention potential within children

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<v Speaker 2>and young people requires a massive pivot from every level

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<v Speaker 2>of government and serious investment into creating services that simply

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<v Speaker 2>do not exist right now.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So it's about having supports in place in schools,

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<v Speaker 3>for example, and so embedding I guess our response to

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<v Speaker 3>violence anywhere that it seems like it might be able

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<v Speaker 3>to meet need.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's essentially a lot of people.

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<v Speaker 2>When we talked about oh, we're doing this review into prevention.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like, oh, so you mean like looking at

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<v Speaker 2>attitudes and education and we're like, no, prevention goes beyond that. So,

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<v Speaker 2>for example, one of the recommendations that we've made is

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<v Speaker 2>we need to activate the health sector. Right there are

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of thousands of healthcare workers across Australia. Often we're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing gps not give the right response, not refer on

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<v Speaker 2>to a service, and leading from this, we're seeing that

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<v Speaker 2>victim survivor not get the help that they need and

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<v Speaker 2>that then leading to homicide. So one of our recommendations

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<v Speaker 2>is to mandate training for gps and psychologists because at

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<v Speaker 2>the moment we don't have a coherent strategy for how

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<v Speaker 2>to bring that health.

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<v Speaker 1>Sector into view and how to.

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<v Speaker 2>Bring the government departments of health and the government departments

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<v Speaker 2>look after women and children's safety to work much more

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<v Speaker 2>closely together. So that's a big part of what we're recommending. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we need to do much more to bring

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<v Speaker 2>together the mental health but also alcohol and other drug

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<v Speaker 2>sectors into closer collaboration with domestic and family violence. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's a large percentage of men who show up to

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<v Speaker 2>alcohol and other drug services will also be perpetrating domestic

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<v Speaker 2>family and sexual violence. Similarly, there'll be a large percentage

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<v Speaker 2>of women who show up to these services who have

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<v Speaker 2>experienced it, and if they don't get a response that

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<v Speaker 2>is domestic violence informed.

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<v Speaker 1>Again, we miss this opportunity for prevention.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of those opportunities that you wrote about is

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<v Speaker 3>the idea of meeting men and boys where they're at.

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<v Speaker 3>So what would that actually look like, That.

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<v Speaker 2>Would look like actually codesigning these sorts of interventions with

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<v Speaker 2>men and boys in such a way that does not

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<v Speaker 2>just highlight their deficits and how those deficits need to

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<v Speaker 2>be overcome, but actually steps right into what are the

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<v Speaker 2>healthy masculinities, What are the ways in which men and

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<v Speaker 2>boys thrive, and how are they feeling set upon by

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<v Speaker 2>online influencers, the growing rates of misogyny that are really

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<v Speaker 2>targeting disaffected young men online, the sorts of things they're

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<v Speaker 2>seeing at their schools, which is for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>young men and boys extremely upsetting seeing things like their

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<v Speaker 2>fellow female students being targeted by deep fake porn, experiencing

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<v Speaker 2>themselves their own masculinity being policed by some other young

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<v Speaker 2>men and boys who are picking up on these sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of really aggressive alpha style influencers, so really acknowledging that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of what is happening to make the lives

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<v Speaker 2>of women and children more precarious is also harming young

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<v Speaker 2>men and boys.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you mentioned deep fake porn, and it does seem

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<v Speaker 3>like there are just so many new avenues for abuse

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<v Speaker 3>or what have you found out about the new ways

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<v Speaker 3>of which perpetrators are targeting their victims.

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<v Speaker 2>So we are seeing whole new areas open up in

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<v Speaker 2>ways that are quite unprecedented, particularly technology facilitated abuse, different

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<v Speaker 2>types of financial abuse. Essentially, the scope of coersive control

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<v Speaker 2>and family violence is rapidly expanding, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>what we're seeing in terms of the new frontiers.

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<v Speaker 1>Of abuse is that the abuse is.

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<v Speaker 2>Being conducted through government systems like family law, child support,

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<v Speaker 2>child protection.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that's both.

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<v Speaker 2>Terrifying and overwhelming, but also presents this huge opportunity because

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<v Speaker 2>government cannot be in the kitchen with every couple when

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<v Speaker 2>the physical violence or the coercive control occurs, but they

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<v Speaker 2>can be in the child support system and they can

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<v Speaker 2>be at the centering end to stop those perpetrators ueeing

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<v Speaker 2>those systems to further their abuse and so one of

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<v Speaker 2>our big recommendations is the governments to stop perpetrators weaponizing

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<v Speaker 2>systems and you reform them so that they are safe

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<v Speaker 2>for users instead of being just an absolute playground for

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<v Speaker 2>perpetrators to plane.

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<v Speaker 3>Coming up after the break, when will the government respond, Jess,

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<v Speaker 3>So just want to come back to this idea. You

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<v Speaker 3>mentioned the importance of foregrounding the views of Indigenous women,

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<v Speaker 3>but one big criticism of the review was the fact

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<v Speaker 3>that there were no First Nations women who were selected

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<v Speaker 3>to take part in that review process. Did that limit

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<v Speaker 3>your work?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, So we prioritized consultations with the Aboriginal Torrest Trade

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<v Speaker 2>Islander Advisory Council on Family, Domestic and Sexual Viles and

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<v Speaker 2>also the First Nation's National Plan Steering Committee. We also

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<v Speaker 2>had doctor Todd Fernando or Adarie Mann, who's also the

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<v Speaker 2>former LGBTQI Commissioner for Victoria. Now, consultation is incredibly important

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<v Speaker 2>and there's absolutely no doubt that the composition of a

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<v Speaker 2>panel has a big influence on the result. But we

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<v Speaker 2>were so keenly aware of the need to foreground Aboriginal

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<v Speaker 2>Torrostraight Islander women and children, not just because that's what

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<v Speaker 2>they deserve, but also because if you're looking at this

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<v Speaker 2>through the lens of homicide and feel aside, the rates

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<v Speaker 2>for Aboriginal Torrostraight Islander women and children is far higher

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<v Speaker 2>than any group in Australia, and so that's what really

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<v Speaker 2>led to us fore grounding that in the report.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the point that some Indigenous advocates are making

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<v Speaker 3>those that consulting is different to having an actual seat

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<v Speaker 3>at the table, particularly when you are the group of

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<v Speaker 3>people who are disproportionately affected by the issue that's being discussed.

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<v Speaker 2>I totally agree, and this is all I can say

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<v Speaker 2>is that I'm not I wasn't in charge of the

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<v Speaker 2>composition of this panel, so so you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, that's a question that has to go to government.

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<v Speaker 1>I could just say that in the absence.

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<v Speaker 2>Of that, we did our absolute best to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that those experiences were fore grounded and in our discussions

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<v Speaker 2>they were often the first consideration in terms of how

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<v Speaker 2>we've shaped those recommendations.

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<v Speaker 3>And on September sixth, the National Cabinet will meet and

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<v Speaker 3>respond to the review. What would you like to see

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<v Speaker 3>come from that cabinet meeting?

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent support for every recommendation, Like, realistically, I

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<v Speaker 2>want to see a schedule for how they are going

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<v Speaker 2>to implement what has been recommended, and a big part

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<v Speaker 2>of that is the government needs to finally accurately calculate

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<v Speaker 2>how much is this going to cost to adequately resource

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<v Speaker 2>every year, because we actually don't know, and it's time

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<v Speaker 2>to actually take this issue seriously and say, if we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to end gendered violence in a single generation, which

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<v Speaker 2>is the commitment of all governments, then you need to

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<v Speaker 2>get serious about how much it's going to cost, and

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<v Speaker 2>develop workforce strategies for employing the people that are going

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<v Speaker 2>to be required to service this instead of just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of hoping on a wish and a prayer that an

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<v Speaker 2>overburdened workforce that is dealing with incredible vicarious trauma is

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<v Speaker 2>just going to continue to make it work on a

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<v Speaker 2>shoe string.

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<v Speaker 3>I think obviously the work that's being done is important,

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<v Speaker 3>but I do think that there is a sense in

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<v Speaker 3>the community that at times it does feel like the

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<v Speaker 3>government's solution is another review or a summit. And at times,

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<v Speaker 3>as a journalist doing these interviews, I can feel lost

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<v Speaker 3>in the admin of all of this, in the suggestions,

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<v Speaker 3>in the recommendations. As someone who's inside all of that,

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, how does it seem to you? Do you

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<v Speaker 3>feel like this work is leading somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>I can say that I would not have gone to

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<v Speaker 2>the wall for the last twelve weeks if I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>think that it was worth it. This is not just

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<v Speaker 2>the thoughts and ideas of six people. We reviewed consultations

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<v Speaker 2>that have gone on for years. The sector is consulted

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<v Speaker 2>out a lot of this. You just need to have

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<v Speaker 2>a look at what are the recommendations that have been

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<v Speaker 2>made for the last ten years that haven't been actioned.

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<v Speaker 2>How can we look at the way that those recommendations

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<v Speaker 2>could unlock the potential of prevention across this country, and

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<v Speaker 2>who is responsible for making this happen. This is what

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<v Speaker 2>we tried to focus on in this report is to say,

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<v Speaker 2>here's what the frontline has been saying four years. This

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<v Speaker 2>trained public is done with empty promises. It's done with

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<v Speaker 2>seeing horrific homicides happen and people wringing their hands afterwards

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<v Speaker 2>apologizing for their failings. It wants to see proactive action,

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<v Speaker 2>which says we understand that this is one of the

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<v Speaker 2>most corrosive social issues of our time and that if

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<v Speaker 2>we are going to properly address it, we need to

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<v Speaker 2>take a nation building approach to this.

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<v Speaker 3>Jess, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Beete pleasure, Ruby, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>If you or someone you know is experiencing domestic or

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<v Speaker 3>family violence, you can call one eight hundred. Respect. Also

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<v Speaker 3>in the news today, the federal government has proposed to

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<v Speaker 3>cap the enrollment of new international students to two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and seventy thousand for the next calendar year. The move

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<v Speaker 3>is part of the government's wider effort of reducing net

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<v Speaker 3>migration levels, which boomed following the COVID nineteen pandemic. In

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<v Speaker 3>the first half of this year, almost eight hundred and

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<v Speaker 3>eleven thousand international students had enrolled to study in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>Education Minister Jason Clair said the proposed cap will put

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<v Speaker 3>Australia's international education sector on a more sustainable footing. And

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<v Speaker 3>Coles announced a profit of one point one billion dollars

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<v Speaker 3>for the twenty twenty four financial year. The supermarket giant

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<v Speaker 3>attributed the revenue jump to significant growth in its supermarket

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<v Speaker 3>sales and improved theft management systems. I'm Ruby Jones. This

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<v Speaker 3>is seven am. Thanks for listening.