WEBVTT - Conversations with Cornesy - Ernie Dingo

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<v Speaker 1>Hi, everybody, Welcome to conversations. And my guest today is

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<v Speaker 1>a living national treasure. I don't know what you have

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<v Speaker 1>to do to be designated as a living treasure. But

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<v Speaker 1>Ernie didn't go. Is just that one of our famous

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<v Speaker 1>television actors and presenters and comedian and star football player,

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<v Speaker 1>star basketball player. He's everywhere, he joins us. Now, Ernie,

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<v Speaker 1>how are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm good, make good, so good to have young with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, by the way, you know you can get

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<v Speaker 2>off the list. What you have to carck it cack it, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>get off the living legend. But you can't be on

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<v Speaker 2>a living legend if you carcked it.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's a bit some We won't we won't go there.

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<v Speaker 2>Well it just makes room for someone else.

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<v Speaker 1>Ernie, dingo am too. My goodness, that's a significant decoration.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because the job's taken. Then ohr go. It's too

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<v Speaker 2>early in the morning for this day.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's early for you, it's a bit later for us.

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<v Speaker 1>As we're speaking. Where abouts are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, w a home of the Mighty Eagles, mate.

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<v Speaker 1>Mighty Eagles aren't quite so mody these days.

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<v Speaker 2>I give it a gate. Your bloke's been down there

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<v Speaker 2>you know as well, No.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't laugh a new series of going places, and

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't go. You just keep getting work, don't you.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's because I just keep going traveling, and

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<v Speaker 2>I used to post about where I'm traveling, and the

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<v Speaker 2>network used to get jealous of the fact that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>having all this fun out in the middle of nowhere,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they come along and say, oh, can we

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<v Speaker 2>film it and take the fun away? And a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of what Then I have to get a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>my old buff haired mates to sort of stick their

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<v Speaker 2>noses on the telly with me. But it's good fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Another season of that. Lots going on in the industry.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're just trying to get the best out

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<v Speaker 2>of me before I get off the list.

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<v Speaker 1>Get off the list, we go. I've been intrigued by

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<v Speaker 1>you any over the years because I've been able to

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<v Speaker 1>follow you from Afar. I mean we've spoken a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of times. But how did it happen? I mean, you're

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<v Speaker 1>born in the country, You're born on a station.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm station boy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tell us tell us about the early days.

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<v Speaker 2>Bulladoo Station, Yeah, Bullado Stations, the cattle station near the

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<v Speaker 2>Murchison River, old bike by the name of Bob Jensen's

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<v Speaker 2>and he's still there. I'm his boy because I was

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<v Speaker 2>born on his station. You know, he's had others born

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<v Speaker 2>on the station, but then they're not as well known

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<v Speaker 2>as I am, and he doesn't realize it. I stole

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<v Speaker 2>all their beautiful compliments and stories and stuff and just

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<v Speaker 2>put it out there and pretending it's all mine. But

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<v Speaker 2>now Bolla do station. My grandmother delivered me on a

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<v Speaker 2>wash house floor on my Auntie's in my Auntie's house.

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<v Speaker 2>All three ladies, Mum, Mum, Nana and my Auntie were

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<v Speaker 2>all domestics and the stations. So they had a little

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<v Speaker 2>break around about morning tea so the women can get

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<v Speaker 2>back to work after morning tea, after small gate.

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<v Speaker 1>What were the early days like for you growing up

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<v Speaker 1>on the station. It was a different era. You must

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<v Speaker 1>have been subjected to all sorts.

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<v Speaker 2>Of Oh, there was very little English around on those

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<v Speaker 2>area because we're set aside away from the main house

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<v Speaker 2>where my mum worked or where Nana was working, and

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<v Speaker 2>where they lived was only about one hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 2>meters And I remember when I was told that when

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<v Speaker 2>Mum used to go to work in the big house

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<v Speaker 2>and I was at home with the old girls one

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty meters away, and Mum used to come back,

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<v Speaker 2>and well, Mum used to look after the white kids

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<v Speaker 2>in the big house and we'd get to see her

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<v Speaker 2>either once at the end of the day or once

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<v Speaker 2>a week, and she would see her father who was

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<v Speaker 2>about one hundred and fifty meters further, would see him

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<v Speaker 2>once a month. On I spent the last Sunday of

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<v Speaker 2>every month, and yeah, it was pretty different. So I

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<v Speaker 2>had a lot of voices around me that was birds

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<v Speaker 2>and animals. You could work out which birds in the

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<v Speaker 2>morning were making noises and what the weather was like

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<v Speaker 2>because they'd all come with their stories and chirp up

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<v Speaker 2>and carry on around the place. And you could also

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<v Speaker 2>tell the different birds by the time of the year

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<v Speaker 2>by the sounds of different birds. So that was a

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<v Speaker 2>lot in the first couple of years bundled up. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know the old et you probably had this when

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<v Speaker 2>you were young as well, that you you were seen

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<v Speaker 2>and never heard.

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<v Speaker 1>Kids should be seen and never heard.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that was another one too, because basically we

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<v Speaker 2>weren't allowed to speak language now dialect Waji, so there

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<v Speaker 2>was a warning word that was said, no man or

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<v Speaker 2>ballet means no more talking because the white fellow coming.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, so we grew up with that, so it

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<v Speaker 2>was sort of it was more of an intriguement to

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<v Speaker 2>see this, you know, big fellow in a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>big white fellow and knowing that you couldn't really sail

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<v Speaker 2>out to him, but you could, you know. We'd learned

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<v Speaker 2>to say hello, and that charmed them straight away. So

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<v Speaker 2>as a kid, all you have to do to white

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<v Speaker 2>fellows at that time was hello with a big smile,

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<v Speaker 2>and you want them.

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<v Speaker 1>And what sort of employers were they those white fellows

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<v Speaker 1>in those days?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, see around that area we had a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>older men who were like old Ossie stock, but a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of their wives were Celtic women. My Lord of

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<v Speaker 2>Bryde sent out from Scotland and from Wales and the Irish,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the Celtic side of that England, Scotland, Wales

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<v Speaker 2>and Ireland. Whiles would come out. So the only company

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<v Speaker 2>those women had were the Aboriginal women. And we're still

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<v Speaker 2>in touch with a lot of those families out through

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<v Speaker 2>Maria and the hawkers that used to come through there,

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<v Speaker 2>you know along yellow long will do more than all

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<v Speaker 2>those old families. Their descendants are still in touch with

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<v Speaker 2>each other today, especially around my travel area.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so so was your dad of Stockman?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, I'm one of those passersbys, and dad was

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of the fence. And he's got

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<v Speaker 2>kids older than me and kids younger than me. So

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<v Speaker 2>it was a ships in the night sort of situation.

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<v Speaker 1>You so you don't have a relationship with him, or

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<v Speaker 1>you didn't have that.

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<v Speaker 2>I never had a father figure in my life. A

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<v Speaker 2>lot of good teachers around.

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<v Speaker 1>Me, though, But how did that impact on you?

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<v Speaker 2>Looking at it now, it doesn't really bother me at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw things from uncle's point of view. I saw

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<v Speaker 2>things from my grandfather's connections a big part of my

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<v Speaker 2>life and still today because my grandfather was a top lawman,

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<v Speaker 2>and he used to travel walk hundreds or thousands of

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<v Speaker 2>kilometers for ceremonies and nearly every summer and initiated a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of men and being a part of those ceremonies.

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<v Speaker 2>Since getting back, you know, we're talking about one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty, one hundred and twenty years ago, one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and thirty years ago. Because he died at nineteen forty seven, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Said, opens up a whole line of discussion when you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about initiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we still do bush camps every year. White people

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<v Speaker 2>don't know about that. I mean when we talk about

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<v Speaker 2>law camps and we talk about that's my connection to

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of men's health, men's issue stuff that I

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<v Speaker 2>had taken on board as a young fellow. Not having

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<v Speaker 2>a father figure to step me in the right direction.

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<v Speaker 2>Mind you, having a father figure in those days was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty hard, mainly because of the fact that the persecution

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<v Speaker 2>of a lot of men in those times was so

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<v Speaker 2>demoralizing for them, where they would look after their family

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<v Speaker 2>and then go to walk and go to work and

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<v Speaker 2>be you know, I have to cop a lot to

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<v Speaker 2>deal with just to get through the day. So at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, when those dads used to

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<v Speaker 2>come back home, you know, a silent word and because

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<v Speaker 2>they were so frustrated and angry and what they had

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<v Speaker 2>to do to get through that day. So I have

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of respect for them. And then looking at

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<v Speaker 2>all the other men around the districts, you know that

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<v Speaker 2>or through my traditional cultural background and see a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of strong lawmen as to what they were, like my grandfather,

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<v Speaker 2>like my uncles, and my cousin, and to see what

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<v Speaker 2>they've gone through and still maintained today, and knowing full

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<v Speaker 2>well that very very few Waybillers or non Avoridginal people

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<v Speaker 2>know what they what we do in the summertime.

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<v Speaker 1>Ernie didn't go as my guest. Folks, he's back with

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<v Speaker 1>going places with Ernie didn't go. And also the big

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<v Speaker 1>backyard quiz. We'll talk about that when we come back

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<v Speaker 1>back shortly. Welcome back everybody. And he didn't go as

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<v Speaker 1>my guest. He's in wa And I must say, Ernie,

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned before the tape started running that photo that

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<v Speaker 1>painting behind you is magnificent. Can you just explain it?

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<v Speaker 1>I know our listeners can't see it, but can you

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<v Speaker 1>just explain it for us?

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<v Speaker 2>The women in my family we have, well, all Averiginal

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<v Speaker 2>people born are given a skin group. They belonged to

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<v Speaker 2>a certain skin group. Well, it doesn't matter our far

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<v Speaker 2>or our removed from the indigenous society. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>skin name. And on top of that, we have a totem,

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<v Speaker 2>and there's a senior totem which the grandmothers have and

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<v Speaker 2>my grandmother's totum is a red dl black cocker tooo.

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<v Speaker 2>So when she's around. As in the painting behind me,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's a protection. She's looking over me all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep an eye out from my mother's is the Martin Swallow,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. And there's all these differences of having totems

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<v Speaker 2>as a protector, as a totem as a symbol of strength,

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<v Speaker 2>and the connections you have with the other people's totems

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<v Speaker 2>around you. So you're connected as a skin, you're connected

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<v Speaker 2>by name, you're connected as a child, you're connected as mty,

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<v Speaker 2>you're connected as all these different ways. So you're not

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<v Speaker 2>very much alone in anything that you do. So this

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<v Speaker 2>one behind me is my fiftieth birthday present that my

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<v Speaker 2>wife gave to me, you know, the redtail black cockatoo

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<v Speaker 2>in transit and full paint, and the story about them

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<v Speaker 2>when there's the bloke that painted it was seeing them

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<v Speaker 2>like he was seeing them as an old friend. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so I've got redtail black cockatoos basically all around my house.

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<v Speaker 2>And every time you hear that call, that's just the

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<v Speaker 2>old girl's keeping an eye on you.

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<v Speaker 1>My son Chad lives in the country and they're surrounded

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<v Speaker 1>by a yellow tail black cockatoo.

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<v Speaker 2>Same call.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's they're just They sometimes fly around our golf

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<v Speaker 1>club and they're just mesmerizing. I'm digressing, so I don't

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<v Speaker 1>blame your mate.

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<v Speaker 2>There's the lovely thing about the red all black cockatoos

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<v Speaker 2>is the white, the red, and the yellow, and they

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<v Speaker 2>all have a very similar call. And you have the

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<v Speaker 2>you have the glossy ones as well as which are

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<v Speaker 2>getting pretty close to extinction. And that's usually where a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of more people are starting to move in to.

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<v Speaker 2>If they move into the bush, that's when we start

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<v Speaker 2>to lose our beautiful birds. And your son would start

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<v Speaker 2>winging if he does hear that calls. You feel safe

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<v Speaker 2>because when you hear that call, you know you're close

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<v Speaker 2>to home.

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, this little kid growing up on a station, how

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<v Speaker 1>do you break out? I mean, if that's the word,

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<v Speaker 1>how do you how do you move on from the station?

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<v Speaker 1>Why did you become so famous?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we moved into town, and as we moved into town,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a progressional living standard. You can live outside like

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<v Speaker 2>in fringe dwelling. You can go to the reserve, but

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<v Speaker 2>once you're in the reserve, you straight under government control.

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<v Speaker 2>Because at that time we still wasn't citizens. I grew

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<v Speaker 2>up being young a you and I spoke why daddy.

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<v Speaker 2>So my language is and my identity from my traditional

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<v Speaker 2>background gave me that. But they says, no, you're not are,

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<v Speaker 2>You're not Yummage, you're not Wadjedi whatever you think you

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<v Speaker 2>taught you your native, the government refers to as being native.

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<v Speaker 2>So I had the whole lot. I grew up Wayjetdi

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<v Speaker 2>speaking Wajeddi with Yammay people. I was told I was native,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they did a bit of voting and we

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<v Speaker 2>went from native to Aborigine. Then they decided to update

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<v Speaker 2>that to make us Aboriginal. And then by the time

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<v Speaker 2>we worked out all our paperwork and printed out all

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<v Speaker 2>these printed with Aboriginal organizations, they changed it to indigenous,

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<v Speaker 2>so we lost all that paperwork. And then after becoming

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous for a while that they said there was no

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<v Speaker 2>bugger that you're not indigenous anymore, your first nation. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, in a couple of years time they'll have

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<v Speaker 2>to change it again because that's been the pattern, and

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<v Speaker 2>all this has happened in just my lifetime. We were

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<v Speaker 2>called other names, but you weren't. I can't say that

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<v Speaker 2>on you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, so many, so many points of discussion, how different

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<v Speaker 1>are the indigenous dialects. When you mentioned a couple, then

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<v Speaker 1>how how different are they?

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<v Speaker 2>Are?

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<v Speaker 1>They completely different languages. You've been to Europe, Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>have been to Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know how the Nords talk, I mean Sami

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<v Speaker 2>people up in Finland. We talk about the Finnish language.

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<v Speaker 2>But in Finland there's the Sami people, who are the

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<v Speaker 2>indigenous people there who've got a different language. Again, but

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<v Speaker 2>all over Europe, you know, it's hard for the Greeks

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to to talk to the Polish, and there

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<v Speaker 2>they're neighbors basically, you know, and you know everyone's there's

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<v Speaker 2>all these different languages all over Europe and you accept them.

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<v Speaker 2>And even in Italy is I love Italy for many reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>There's so many comparisons the north of Italy and the

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<v Speaker 2>middle of Italy to the east side and the west

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<v Speaker 2>side and down the bloody Sicilians, for instance, they've got

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<v Speaker 2>a different language or dialect again, so to speak Italian,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got to be careful where you are because you've

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<v Speaker 2>got a different accent all top to bottom. So the

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<v Speaker 2>language is in Australia rare the same. But then some

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<v Speaker 2>of the language, most of the desert languages, or the

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<v Speaker 2>northern part of it is prefixed language, and the southern

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<v Speaker 2>the older part I mean the southwest and the south east,

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<v Speaker 2>and even Tasi. I mean Tazi was an island seventeen

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<v Speaker 2>thousand years ago, so they've got a language beyond that.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's more of a suffix language.

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<v Speaker 1>When you say, what do you mean by that suffix

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<v Speaker 1>and prefix, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just saying I can see you on my computer.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm work trying to work this out over. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>prefixes when you put the subject first, okay, and suffix

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<v Speaker 2>is when it's later. If I was to say I

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<v Speaker 2>went down the road to see a mate, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>even bloody explain it.

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<v Speaker 1>I get the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>So we've used that.

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<v Speaker 1>You can say that is in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>In that room as a man in that Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I just went a little bit blank there in a minute.

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<v Speaker 1>Well it's a complicated question, Ernie, I'm sorry to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's complicated languages. I mean, it's that sort of

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<v Speaker 2>thing about. You know, you've got your speaking language that

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<v Speaker 2>everyone seems to know, whether yidarky come from. In the

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<v Speaker 2>top end of Australia. You've got the people in Darwin

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<v Speaker 2>which is so similar to the people that come from

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<v Speaker 2>where the Yidarky come from or Gobberil comes from and

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<v Speaker 2>totally different. But even in Darwin you've got people like

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<v Speaker 2>really that comes from the island, which is different to

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<v Speaker 2>the people on the mainland of Darwin. So that dialects,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, which is only a couple of miles apart.

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<v Speaker 2>But then you go down to build Dempsey Country down

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<v Speaker 2>towards the center of Australia and it's different again. You've

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<v Speaker 2>got Central Australian, the Banto with animal people there. It's

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<v Speaker 2>completely different again with Liam Ryan sort of stuff, not

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<v Speaker 2>Liam Ryan, Liam Jarrah, even Liam Ryan, that's my family.

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<v Speaker 2>He comes from where my language comes from.

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<v Speaker 1>Anually, let's go back to this little kid growing up

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<v Speaker 1>and you moved to this, you moved to this into

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<v Speaker 1>the town.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we got into I was because of our family

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<v Speaker 2>systems I have. I grew up with three mothers, my mum,

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<v Speaker 2>her sisters are my mum's so being lucky to have

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<v Speaker 2>three mums so I can go either way. So living

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<v Speaker 2>with my mum, having three moms around me, I have

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<v Speaker 2>that guidance around me and my cousins, their children. My

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<v Speaker 2>mom's sisters children. They're my brothers and sisters because we

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<v Speaker 2>all got we have three mums. My older cousins were

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<v Speaker 2>sort of like. They were like eight nine, and I

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<v Speaker 2>was about novel seven and eight and I was about five,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I was too young to hang out with them,

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<v Speaker 2>so they used to go and do things big boys

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<v Speaker 2>do and spend a lot of time alone. I have

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<v Speaker 2>one sister older than men. Eventually I had five sisters

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<v Speaker 2>younger than me, and so it wasn't really a playful

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<v Speaker 2>world for me. So I used to entertained myself. What

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<v Speaker 2>I did was go out into the flat and there

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit of sandpile there that they used in

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<v Speaker 2>the backyards, and I'd pile the sandpile up to about

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<v Speaker 2>a foot and a half two foot high. And that

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<v Speaker 2>little sandpile was the one that changed my life because

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<v Speaker 2>I could look down at that sandpile, walk around that sandpile,

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<v Speaker 2>and just look at it as a sandpile. But if

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<v Speaker 2>I laid on the ground, that sandpile become the horizon,

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<v Speaker 2>and with a finger, I can touch the top of

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<v Speaker 2>that sandpile. Therefore, I could touch the horizon until I

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<v Speaker 2>lifted my head up and the horizon disappeared into the distance.

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<v Speaker 2>So that was my fascination. In every direction I looked,

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<v Speaker 2>the horizon was different. So I had this travel bug

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<v Speaker 2>and my mum's brother, Lesdingo, he broke out of w

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<v Speaker 2>a against the government because he was a He wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to explore the world with the Brearley family. They were

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<v Speaker 2>a traveling show and he changed his name to Kid

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<v Speaker 2>Brearley to boxing the tents in those days, and he

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<v Speaker 2>used to ride the of the horses. They're all the

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<v Speaker 2>shows in those days, traveling shows, boxing shows who would

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<v Speaker 2>have bucking horses and a boxing tent traveling around. Shaman

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<v Speaker 2>was from people may remember as well. And so he

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<v Speaker 2>went from the Midwest into the Northern Territory, top of

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<v Speaker 2>Queensland and down into the Victoria. Didn't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>overseas because he couldn't understand that to Dazzy. So he

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<v Speaker 2>came home via the same route and brought some peanuts

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<v Speaker 2>back from Queensland from King Roi and showed his mom

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<v Speaker 2>and my sister and they had peanuts in a brown

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<v Speaker 2>paper bag that he's been carrying around for about about

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<v Speaker 2>six months to get home. So the travel bug was

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<v Speaker 2>sat into me and I just wanted to chase the

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<v Speaker 2>horizons and been very lucky. I mean, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Outdoors was a classic example of my standard travel

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<v Speaker 2>and now going places. And I tell you what, still

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<v Speaker 2>there's still parts of this particular island that I still

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<v Speaker 2>want to see. So the travel bug was there, but

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<v Speaker 2>just I had to get through being a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll talk about the travel Bug because it ties him

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<v Speaker 1>with your program Going Places with Ernie Dingo. Also the

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<v Speaker 1>Big Backyard Quiz. Lots to talk about. We've got to

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<v Speaker 1>get you playing footy and basketball because you're a star

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<v Speaker 1>at that.

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<v Speaker 2>We haven't done that much been Dad got the T shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>Ernie ding goes my guest fus back shortly. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to conversations everybody. If you just tuned in, we're having

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<v Speaker 1>a chat with Ernie Dingo, and it is a good

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<v Speaker 1>yarn because he's telling us all about his early days,

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<v Speaker 1>which in some sense they sound idyllic, but I can't

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<v Speaker 1>imagine they particularly were when you you know, obviously you

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<v Speaker 1>were villified. I would have thought as a young fellow,

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<v Speaker 1>as a family, did you feel that, did you since that?

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<v Speaker 1>Or were you just a happy kid?

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<v Speaker 2>If you stay with it, Kwanzi, you know full. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>if if somebody tells you you're an idiot and you

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<v Speaker 2>stop and look at them, they're going to throw something,

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<v Speaker 2>because that's just the opening line, and they're going to

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<v Speaker 2>keep going. And if you it depends how you respond

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<v Speaker 2>as to their next move. So it got to the

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<v Speaker 2>stage where, you know, I came to Perth in seven

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<v Speaker 2>three dealing with the lot at school when my first

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<v Speaker 2>year at primary school.

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<v Speaker 1>In grade finteen seventy three, you were seventeen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I was in primary school at the age

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<v Speaker 2>of five, I went to a Catholic school and these

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<v Speaker 2>kids used to run around the corner and they'd say

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<v Speaker 2>something to me and laugh, and because they laughed, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it was okay because they laughed, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>to tell My big cousin, the one that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>told me, you know, I'm too much of a baby,

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<v Speaker 2>don't go with them. He came around the corner and

0:22:31.320 --> 0:22:34.720
<v Speaker 2>they were saying pull the trigger, bang bang bang, but

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<v Speaker 2>they'd run away laughing, So it must have been funny

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<v Speaker 2>because I didn't know what it was. And until my

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<v Speaker 2>cousin came around and he heard them and he whacked

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<v Speaker 2>them and we got kicked out of the school. In

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<v Speaker 2>primary school, I learned a few of the other words

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<v Speaker 2>that were being handed bandied around, and a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>them at American connotation. You know, are you all that

0:23:00.440 --> 0:23:03.239
<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff? And he's so like, well, no, I'm not,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm yummi ye. So I was dumb to a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the expressions. I came home from high school one

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<v Speaker 2>time and said to mom, Mom, I gotta ask you

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<v Speaker 2>a question, and she goes, what's up. I said, well,

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<v Speaker 2>these kids at school call me a. She said, who's

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<v Speaker 2>I'm twelve years old? Thirteen years old? These kids are

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<v Speaker 2>calling me a. And I didn't know it was the

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<v Speaker 2>trigger sort of game again, because it doesn't. I was

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<v Speaker 2>too busy meeting people, having fun and enjoying things around me,

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<v Speaker 2>playing sport, playing basketball, playing long distance running, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>for everything that kids. I played hockey. I played soccer

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<v Speaker 2>because these Italian kids, and I loved soccer. Okay, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have a crack at it. Played hockey. I'm a left hand.

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<v Speaker 2>I was getting whacked in the legs all the time baseball,

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<v Speaker 2>so like, all right, I get thrust, don't you know,

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<v Speaker 2>knock some birds out of the tree. When we were young,

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<v Speaker 2>hunting for food and yeah, this is easy. But Mum,

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<v Speaker 2>these other kids are calling me a what's of seconds?

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<v Speaker 2>You don't know? And I said, no, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what she said. I don't know either, all right,

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<v Speaker 2>So it didn't matter because my mom didn't know, and

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<v Speaker 2>she made it sound like it wasn't a problem. But

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<v Speaker 2>then other kids who would get upset about names and

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<v Speaker 2>what do they call me that? What does it mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And then they say it's rude, it's rude. Ah, they

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<v Speaker 2>can't I'll put you know. But in the back of

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<v Speaker 2>my head we used to say, well, we can speak

0:24:38.600 --> 0:24:43.359
<v Speaker 2>white fellow language, we can speak English. These Italian boys

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<v Speaker 2>teach us Italian, mostly the dirty words. But you know,

0:24:46.880 --> 0:24:50.600
<v Speaker 2>that's the way you go with young fellows. All languages

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<v Speaker 2>that you learn. Polish, this old Serbian fellow that was

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<v Speaker 2>in our town. As kids growing up, we'd learned some

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<v Speaker 2>of the hollows and how I you and good sort

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<v Speaker 2>of stuff words I mean, all Polish. For I learned

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<v Speaker 2>at a very early age too to speak Polish, and

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<v Speaker 2>eventually he would teach me the movi apoporski and which

0:25:11.960 --> 0:25:16.040
<v Speaker 2>means I don't speak Polish, imperfect Polish. So we have

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<v Speaker 2>all these languages around us. We learned English, we learned

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<v Speaker 2>all this, We learned this at school, we learned French

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<v Speaker 2>and German. Never thought we'd ever go there, but we did.

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<v Speaker 2>The Italian boys, the Greek boys, and all the Middle

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:32.439
<v Speaker 2>East and boys around grew up with Afghans and the

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<v Speaker 2>Sikh community and all that around, Chinese gold miners and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff like. They were everywhere. The Irish, the Welsh Irish

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<v Speaker 2>were the craziest, and the Scottish was just as bloody mad.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know it was the English. We learned their language.

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<v Speaker 2>So when these kids used to go, you know, that's

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<v Speaker 2>a bloody derogatory word towards US indigenous people, and I'm going, well,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't we swear at them and their language? And

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<v Speaker 2>we did with the smile on our face.

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<v Speaker 1>Surely sport, you were good at sport. You played, you

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<v Speaker 1>played basketball, your footy. You're a good runner. That must

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<v Speaker 1>have helped you integrate into mainstream society.

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<v Speaker 2>I loved sport. Long distance running was my love. I

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<v Speaker 2>ran the Halli Memorial Mile my second year at school

0:26:24.440 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 2>and did all right. And they introduced the three thousand

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:32.359
<v Speaker 2>that year as well, and I set the record in

0:26:32.400 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 2>that in seventy one and broke it in seventy two

0:26:36.840 --> 0:26:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and whacked the Allly Memorial Mile as well. In my

0:26:41.119 --> 0:26:45.199
<v Speaker 2>last year at school, I played a lot of sports.

0:26:45.200 --> 0:26:50.840
<v Speaker 2>I was sent to Perth for a baseball scholarship when

0:26:50.920 --> 0:26:54.240
<v Speaker 2>I loved playing basketball. I mean I had a black

0:26:54.320 --> 0:26:57.800
<v Speaker 2>called Colin Jennings as a sports teacher, and when we

0:26:57.800 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 2>were in primary school as a nine to ten year old,

0:27:01.760 --> 0:27:03.920
<v Speaker 2>learned how to play basketball, so I was too light

0:27:04.000 --> 0:27:06.840
<v Speaker 2>to play footy. My cousins used to eat a lot

0:27:06.880 --> 0:27:09.000
<v Speaker 2>more biscuits than me, so they were a lot bigger

0:27:09.560 --> 0:27:12.879
<v Speaker 2>and a lot more of a bully than me. Because

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:15.160
<v Speaker 2>I didn't want to get into it, so we used

0:27:15.200 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>to skirt the packs and play off the side of

0:27:18.160 --> 0:27:19.880
<v Speaker 2>the ball, come over the back. We used to get

0:27:19.880 --> 0:27:22.359
<v Speaker 2>it and that sort of stuff. But don't go in

0:27:22.440 --> 0:27:25.120
<v Speaker 2>for the big stuff because the boys they ate your

0:27:25.160 --> 0:27:31.080
<v Speaker 2>biscuits as well. So basketball was good to play as

0:27:31.119 --> 0:27:35.800
<v Speaker 2>a kid. I came down to Perth as a baseball scholarship,

0:27:36.600 --> 0:27:42.360
<v Speaker 2>playing for the Marley Eagles on Basandeene Oval and as

0:27:42.400 --> 0:27:46.919
<v Speaker 2>a pitcher, and I didn't know that in baseball you

0:27:47.000 --> 0:27:50.520
<v Speaker 2>can call the picture whatever you like, but you weren't

0:27:50.560 --> 0:27:53.960
<v Speaker 2>allowed to say his name. And racism in Perth in

0:27:54.000 --> 0:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the seventies was pretty rife, and you know, you just

0:27:58.040 --> 0:28:01.240
<v Speaker 2>had to put through it. Never walk around on your

0:28:01.240 --> 0:28:07.560
<v Speaker 2>own because you'll just get bumped. Because they made tried

0:28:07.600 --> 0:28:11.400
<v Speaker 2>to make Ariginal people members of the community and assimilation

0:28:11.640 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 2>program where we was trying. They wanted us to be

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 2>like them. As soon as we tried to be like them,

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>they tell us where they wrong color to be like them.

0:28:19.600 --> 0:28:22.240
<v Speaker 2>So they push didn't matter what you do, the dog

0:28:22.280 --> 0:28:26.200
<v Speaker 2>Collar Act and all that, it didn't matter. So in baseball,

0:28:26.400 --> 0:28:30.400
<v Speaker 2>the the umpire, I looked at the umpire and he said, Mike,

0:28:30.480 --> 0:28:32.639
<v Speaker 2>they can say whatever they want, but they're not allowed

0:28:32.640 --> 0:28:35.160
<v Speaker 2>to use your name. So I put a ball into

0:28:35.200 --> 0:28:38.760
<v Speaker 2>their dugout and caused a bit of a rift and

0:28:39.720 --> 0:28:44.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't play after that, I'd gone down.

0:28:43.800 --> 0:28:47.360
<v Speaker 1>To it sounds similar to the issues that Black American

0:28:47.400 --> 0:28:50.280
<v Speaker 1>baseball has had, like the Jackie Robinson's and those.

0:28:50.200 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 2>Oh they were amazing, all that sort of stuff. They

0:28:53.640 --> 0:28:56.719
<v Speaker 2>had their own league though, well, like like you know,

0:28:57.120 --> 0:29:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Aridinal boys, we had our own leg too. We'd play

0:29:01.600 --> 0:29:03.400
<v Speaker 2>with stuff because we weren't allowed to be on the

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 2>same field as and they had boots, we didn't. Marinot

0:29:09.000 --> 0:29:12.520
<v Speaker 2>as a classic example of that. From the footy side,

0:29:12.600 --> 0:29:15.000
<v Speaker 2>I played footy at school, but I was more of

0:29:15.040 --> 0:29:17.920
<v Speaker 2>a basketball long distance run, anything to keep me on

0:29:17.960 --> 0:29:21.280
<v Speaker 2>my own, because I kind of like being on my own.

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 1>Ernie, we need to break and we're three quarters of

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:27.760
<v Speaker 1>the way through this program and we haven't. We haven't

0:29:27.800 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 1>got you into the film and stage and all that

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:33.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of stuff yet, So we'll do that when we

0:29:33.760 --> 0:29:36.960
<v Speaker 1>come back. Ernie ding Go is my guest. Folks back shortly,

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:40.800
<v Speaker 1>Ernie Dingo is my guest, a living National Treasury's He's

0:29:40.800 --> 0:29:43.200
<v Speaker 1>got a new series of Going Places with Ernie Dingo,

0:29:43.360 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 1>also starring in The Big Backyard Quiz. We talked all

0:29:47.240 --> 0:29:49.719
<v Speaker 1>about his growing up days, and we haven't got him

0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:53.240
<v Speaker 1>on the stage yet. You still go to person on

0:29:53.280 --> 0:29:56.200
<v Speaker 1>a baseball scholarship. How on earth do you end up

0:29:57.000 --> 0:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>in the movies on TV, on the stage? How did

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 1>how did that happen?

0:30:01.280 --> 0:30:05.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh? You have you haven't been listening in Cornsey. I've

0:30:05.960 --> 0:30:09.920
<v Speaker 2>been on stage ever since I came into this world.

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Okay, yeah, of all the.

0:30:14.120 --> 0:30:18.640
<v Speaker 2>Things that we've that's that's our preparation already. I mean

0:30:19.000 --> 0:30:22.240
<v Speaker 2>listening to those birds around you, listening to our feeling

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:25.000
<v Speaker 2>that weather, when that when when that what we call

0:30:25.040 --> 0:30:28.000
<v Speaker 2>William William, when that first rain come with language. I

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 2>come from wildflower country, so everything around you speaks to

0:30:31.320 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>you all the time. The first drops that come out

0:30:33.960 --> 0:30:36.600
<v Speaker 2>of the skull, you know, out of the sky rain drops,

0:30:36.600 --> 0:30:40.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, people referred to as the verger, the rain

0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>that leaves the cloud but never make it to the earth.

0:30:42.560 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 2>So they have stories to us that the rains that

0:30:46.480 --> 0:30:50.960
<v Speaker 2>come afterwards, Once the first rains have gone through and

0:30:51.240 --> 0:30:54.520
<v Speaker 2>softened the earth and made a puddle, then one drop

0:30:54.640 --> 0:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>falls about a week later to make that puddle move

0:30:58.880 --> 0:31:02.200
<v Speaker 2>downhill or whatever it is. See all that's preparing us

0:31:02.240 --> 0:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>for our for my theater from the beginning, that storytelling

0:31:06.480 --> 0:31:07.240
<v Speaker 2>side of it all.

0:31:07.360 --> 0:31:10.440
<v Speaker 1>So somebody must have identified to you. Somebody must have

0:31:10.480 --> 0:31:12.960
<v Speaker 1>seen your talent and given you an opportunity. How did

0:31:12.960 --> 0:31:13.440
<v Speaker 1>that happen?

0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:16.920
<v Speaker 2>I think those old blakes had a cattle pride mate,

0:31:17.400 --> 0:31:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and they call them tasers these days. So while I

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:26.520
<v Speaker 2>was finished playing baseball, I started playing basketball because I

0:31:26.560 --> 0:31:31.200
<v Speaker 2>love that, And they said I was my di you'd

0:31:31.280 --> 0:31:35.720
<v Speaker 2>love this. I was earning eighteen dollars a week, thirteen

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.680
<v Speaker 2>dollars a week board and a dollar a day, twenty

0:31:38.720 --> 0:31:41.600
<v Speaker 2>five cents into the city, twenty five cents in the bus,

0:31:42.040 --> 0:31:44.760
<v Speaker 2>and twenty five cents to work. And I did that

0:31:44.840 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 2>for six months because my boss at the time, I

0:31:49.560 --> 0:31:53.080
<v Speaker 2>had two bosses. One of the bosses thought that the

0:31:53.280 --> 0:31:58.800
<v Speaker 2>money given to the company from the government to as

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 2>a training incentive, he wasn't he wouldn't last, so they

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:05.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't give me my money. So at the turn of

0:32:05.720 --> 0:32:08.960
<v Speaker 2>the I love. That's why I love the end of

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:12.480
<v Speaker 2>the financial year, because the first six months of me

0:32:12.840 --> 0:32:16.920
<v Speaker 2>at and doing apprentice, the boss held all that money back,

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.320
<v Speaker 2>thinking that I wouldn't last into the new year. So

0:32:20.400 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>when I did last into July, I got all this

0:32:23.320 --> 0:32:25.160
<v Speaker 2>back pay.

0:32:25.200 --> 0:32:27.680
<v Speaker 1>That was a sign writing apprentice.

0:32:27.400 --> 0:32:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Sign writing apprentice back back in the day. But that's

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.719
<v Speaker 2>all right. I love my art. Still observe with them.

0:32:32.800 --> 0:32:34.320
<v Speaker 1>Can you still draw it.

0:32:35.480 --> 0:32:38.840
<v Speaker 2>If underneath the desk is still a bunch of brushes

0:32:38.840 --> 0:32:42.800
<v Speaker 2>and pain dirty in the place? Anyway, So I went.

0:32:43.080 --> 0:32:47.760
<v Speaker 2>They told me that this the state basketball. You can

0:32:47.800 --> 0:32:50.440
<v Speaker 2>go and do tryouts if you're any good. But the

0:32:50.480 --> 0:32:55.360
<v Speaker 2>only trouble is I'm on a limited wage. So from

0:32:55.360 --> 0:33:00.479
<v Speaker 2>Mount Lawley to Perry Lakes it's about five k's. I

0:33:00.600 --> 0:33:03.880
<v Speaker 2>just walk it. I used to walk to training. Turned up.

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I trained for a week with the under sixteens because

0:33:08.080 --> 0:33:10.480
<v Speaker 2>I was only a young fellow, and they said when's

0:33:10.480 --> 0:33:12.760
<v Speaker 2>your birthday? I said July. They said, well, you can't

0:33:12.800 --> 0:33:15.120
<v Speaker 2>be at under fifteen's you're over the limit. So he

0:33:15.200 --> 0:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>got to play in the under eight ens. And the

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:21.160
<v Speaker 2>difference between a fifteen year old and seventeen year old

0:33:21.280 --> 0:33:25.680
<v Speaker 2>is too bloody foot. So I have a crack at

0:33:25.680 --> 0:33:29.920
<v Speaker 2>and went to Melbourne to play. That was right down

0:33:29.960 --> 0:33:33.240
<v Speaker 2>to the final ten I made the team, went to Melbourne,

0:33:33.600 --> 0:33:38.680
<v Speaker 2>stayed under eight ens nineteen seventy three basketball for West Australia.

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 2>And while we're there, met a young blake shooting in

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 2>the courts by the name of what's his name? That

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:48.120
<v Speaker 2>number ten for Australia.

0:33:48.640 --> 0:33:50.320
<v Speaker 1>Andrew Gays, that's the blake.

0:33:50.520 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I knew him. I knew him as about

0:33:53.880 --> 0:33:55.880
<v Speaker 2>a ten year old. Eleven year old was Drew.

0:33:57.160 --> 0:34:00.880
<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Bat, we've got to get you. We've got

0:34:00.880 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 1>to get you on the stage and the TV.

0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:06.080
<v Speaker 2>We've otherwise, well that's what I was doing. When I

0:34:06.120 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>was playing basketball, because we had to deal with a

0:34:08.920 --> 0:34:12.319
<v Speaker 2>lot of crap from a lot of opposition players and

0:34:12.360 --> 0:34:17.640
<v Speaker 2>a lot of umpires and teams and supporters that we

0:34:17.719 --> 0:34:20.600
<v Speaker 2>had to go through like the Globetrotters and put on

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 2>a show. Our team was called Panthers and then Wildcats.

0:34:25.239 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 2>That was the main team we played under, and yeah,

0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:32.719
<v Speaker 2>we're all Aboriginal team and we caught a lot of

0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:36.239
<v Speaker 2>crap from left, right and center, but we just had

0:34:36.280 --> 0:34:39.920
<v Speaker 2>to button our lip and make it count on the scoreboard.

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I've played in games when we were with

0:34:42.640 --> 0:34:45.440
<v Speaker 2>that bad that there there was only two of us

0:34:45.520 --> 0:34:47.520
<v Speaker 2>left on the field to play against the full team.

0:34:48.440 --> 0:34:49.719
<v Speaker 1>Everybody got failed off.

0:34:49.800 --> 0:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because let the umpires get to them. So yeah,

0:34:55.000 --> 0:34:57.799
<v Speaker 2>that was that was fun. And the same Blake that

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.480
<v Speaker 2>did Welcome to Country with which Rich and I were

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 2>the only two players on the field playing five blokes

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:07.000
<v Speaker 2>and they've got half a bench full of full of

0:35:07.000 --> 0:35:12.240
<v Speaker 2>blokes as well. We didn't care. How'd you go five?

0:35:14.000 --> 0:35:16.920
<v Speaker 2>We come second in a lot of those games, and

0:35:17.920 --> 0:35:21.239
<v Speaker 2>we've got We've played one team Sterling for instance, one

0:35:21.280 --> 0:35:24.600
<v Speaker 2>particularly at a carnival, and I had five pairs of

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 2>shorts on for five fowls. I was still on the

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:30.319
<v Speaker 2>field at the end of the game because every time

0:35:30.320 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 2>I got a foul, I'm just going drink another. Yeah,

0:35:34.239 --> 0:35:36.840
<v Speaker 2>And I was wondering how many shorts have I got on?

0:35:36.960 --> 0:35:39.200
<v Speaker 2>Will I get down to my jocks because black feathers

0:35:39.239 --> 0:35:40.680
<v Speaker 2>in those days didn't wear jocks.

0:35:43.600 --> 0:35:48.120
<v Speaker 1>So well, I'm gonna fast. I'm gonna fast, fast forward

0:35:48.120 --> 0:35:51.680
<v Speaker 1>because you've been in so many productions. You've been You've

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:57.040
<v Speaker 1>been in movies, movies, You've had television shows with fringe,

0:35:57.120 --> 0:36:01.480
<v Speaker 1>d well, fast forward, mister elect have done all sorts

0:36:01.480 --> 0:36:04.279
<v Speaker 1>of things you're currently doing, going places. When he did

0:36:04.360 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>know the big big backyard quiz, somebody must have seen

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:12.120
<v Speaker 1>something in you and identified that talent. You're skirting around

0:36:12.160 --> 0:36:14.279
<v Speaker 1>the issue. You've got to tell me who that was.

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:19.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not a drinker. I used to dabble in smoking

0:36:19.440 --> 0:36:21.439
<v Speaker 2>or dabble in a couple of I used to drink

0:36:21.480 --> 0:36:26.440
<v Speaker 2>unleaded beer. Couldn't do full strength because I am silly

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:31.400
<v Speaker 2>enough without it. Never done drugs. I always look at

0:36:31.440 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 2>my traditional law sight. I just like being who I

0:36:36.840 --> 0:36:40.480
<v Speaker 2>was had. I've had a great upbringing from the bush.

0:36:41.320 --> 0:36:44.920
<v Speaker 2>I've had always, always had different people in my backyard

0:36:45.760 --> 0:36:50.399
<v Speaker 2>that they were sort of like outcasts, and they were

0:36:50.440 --> 0:36:54.160
<v Speaker 2>still present. Every now and then one person would come

0:36:54.200 --> 0:36:57.360
<v Speaker 2>through that was different and not of the not so

0:36:57.400 --> 0:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>I was. I was always treated differently because they couldn't

0:37:01.880 --> 0:37:06.640
<v Speaker 2>work me out. I didn't. I'd listen to anybody out.

0:37:06.680 --> 0:37:10.359
<v Speaker 2>You sit down and have a yarn with anybody. Black, white, male, female, short, tall,

0:37:10.440 --> 0:37:13.319
<v Speaker 2>fat skin. It didn't matter to me. There were only

0:37:13.360 --> 0:37:16.480
<v Speaker 2>two types of people, salt water and fresh water. You

0:37:16.520 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 2>come from the coast, you come from inland. That's all

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:24.560
<v Speaker 2>that mattered, and that's what I enjoyed. Whatever. The first

0:37:24.640 --> 0:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>question is to somebody, that would determine your conversation to them.

0:37:29.640 --> 0:37:33.439
<v Speaker 2>If somebody says you're a dickhead, you can say what

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 2>and then it's fisticuff, or you can turn around and

0:37:36.800 --> 0:37:40.600
<v Speaker 2>say that's mister dickhead to you. Then you put the

0:37:40.600 --> 0:37:43.760
<v Speaker 2>footback on, you know, showing the footback where it belongs,

0:37:44.400 --> 0:37:47.080
<v Speaker 2>kicking back on the teeth, but gently, and they realize

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:49.000
<v Speaker 2>it's their own bloody feet that's kick and there to it.

0:37:50.680 --> 0:37:52.680
<v Speaker 2>I learned at an early age don't bash your head

0:37:52.760 --> 0:37:56.279
<v Speaker 2>up against the wall, and don't bash somebody else's head

0:37:56.320 --> 0:37:58.400
<v Speaker 2>up to tell them that there's the wall, put your

0:37:58.400 --> 0:38:02.360
<v Speaker 2>head on it. So when I arrived into Sydney on

0:38:04.200 --> 0:38:07.960
<v Speaker 2>back in eighty three, I spent two weeks in Canberra

0:38:08.000 --> 0:38:12.560
<v Speaker 2>at a conference. Monday, I spent an extra day in

0:38:12.600 --> 0:38:18.520
<v Speaker 2>Canberra with my cousin Tuesday, arrived in Sydney Wednesday. I

0:38:18.560 --> 0:38:22.160
<v Speaker 2>got a script Thursday, I got an agent Friday. They

0:38:22.200 --> 0:38:24.520
<v Speaker 2>told me I had the job and I started on Monday.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.680
<v Speaker 2>What was the role Cara Breakout, which is a big,

0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 2>massive breakout of Japanese prisoner war in the world, the

0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:36.400
<v Speaker 2>biggest breakout in Cara in Australia. Australian don't teach you

0:38:36.400 --> 0:38:39.239
<v Speaker 2>about a history. So that was a job. There was

0:38:39.280 --> 0:38:46.080
<v Speaker 2>an Aboriginal guard Johnson family in the original Cara Breakout,

0:38:46.280 --> 0:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>and I was hired by Kennedy Miller, famous Kennedy Miller

0:38:53.120 --> 0:38:57.040
<v Speaker 2>to play the role to honor this particular abordin as

0:38:57.120 --> 0:39:00.719
<v Speaker 2>the guard from the Johnson family. And my character's name

0:39:00.800 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>was Johnson surname because in the war they're called by

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:09.480
<v Speaker 2>their surnames. So that was my start. I loved a

0:39:09.480 --> 0:39:12.480
<v Speaker 2>bit of comedy at the time. I just reversed all

0:39:12.560 --> 0:39:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the Irish jokes into Aboriginal jokes, and I started taking

0:39:18.800 --> 0:39:19.920
<v Speaker 2>the mickey out of myself.

0:39:22.120 --> 0:39:24.279
<v Speaker 1>You know, do you regret doing that now?

0:39:25.000 --> 0:39:28.680
<v Speaker 2>No, we'll see. I went down to fast forward and

0:39:28.719 --> 0:39:31.040
<v Speaker 2>there was at that time there are only two black

0:39:31.040 --> 0:39:35.439
<v Speaker 2>fellows on television, man Kamal. There wasn't anybody there. Used

0:39:35.440 --> 0:39:38.399
<v Speaker 2>to be a girl on Channel seven who would play

0:39:38.440 --> 0:39:40.840
<v Speaker 2>the records back in the old days. But she just

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.880
<v Speaker 2>as a model, would put the records on and you

0:39:44.040 --> 0:39:46.360
<v Speaker 2>listen to the music back in the old old notes

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:49.440
<v Speaker 2>when Telly's first came first came out, and she is

0:39:49.520 --> 0:39:54.560
<v Speaker 2>the she works out out of Victoria there in the

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 2>movie The Sapphires. She was the one of the lead

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<v Speaker 2>singers in the Sapphires. So she's more famous than I am.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll get a bigger mouth so theater. I'd have a

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<v Speaker 2>crack at anything because I can. It's like football. You're

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<v Speaker 2>contracted to play that season and then you take a

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<v Speaker 2>jumper off at the end of the game, put your

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<v Speaker 2>civs on and go and be a buffet.

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<v Speaker 1>We're run out of time. I know this is leaving

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<v Speaker 1>us unfulfilled, unrequired, but what have we got to look

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<v Speaker 1>forward to? With this season's going places? With any dingo,

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<v Speaker 1>what are we looking forward to?

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<v Speaker 2>Me taking the mickey out of a old bunch of bushies.

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<v Speaker 2>It would be probably a good one. But them showing

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<v Speaker 2>me all the beautiful places where they are. This country

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<v Speaker 2>has got so many beautiful pockets that we The best

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<v Speaker 2>place to do is to sit at home and watch

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<v Speaker 2>it on the telly. All the different shows that do

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<v Speaker 2>out back shows. I mean every network is doing travel

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<v Speaker 2>programs from around the country. Mine's no different to them.

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<v Speaker 2>So have a little at them and see how beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>this country really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Great to catch up. You're looking fantastic. You always did.

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<v Speaker 1>You joked about being a good looking dude, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>no joke. Thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>No Ori Scoronsa. You have a good day, and one

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<v Speaker 2>day we'll have to sit down and have a good

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<v Speaker 2>bloody yarn.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll have no time moving on it. That would be great.

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<v Speaker 1>All the best, mate, and he didn't go National Living

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<v Speaker 1>Treasure and he didn't go. I am thank you so

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<v Speaker 1>much for your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks mate, you have a good one.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for joining us.