Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Thank
Speaker 1: you Shary. What a big notting is we have for
Speaker 1: you tonight.
Speaker 2: But let's pause because World War II was the turning
Speaker 2: point of modern Western civilization. The capacity to defeat the
Speaker 2: Nazis in Europe and to defeat Imperial Japan in the
Speaker 2: Pacific set us up for the freedoms that we enjoy today.
Speaker 2: The generation that fought that war is the greatest that
Speaker 2: has walked amongst us. They were the people who went
Speaker 2: to parts of the world some had never heard of,
Speaker 2: to of course take on the most difficult of challenges,
Speaker 2: and way too many of them did not come back.
Speaker 2: As we speak right now, it is nine o'clock in Sydney, Melbourne,
Speaker 2: Canberra and Brisbane. It is one pm right now in France,
Speaker 2: where the commemorations are taking place. This is the epicenter
Speaker 2: of a day of commemorations because it is eighty years
Speaker 2: ago today that the world was saved by the greatest
Speaker 2: generation of Australians, people from the UK, people from Canada,
Speaker 2: people from Australia, New Zealand, the United States, and so
Speaker 2: many more. I live in eternal admiration for this generation
Speaker 2: to have been able to know them, love them, and
Speaker 2: be loved by them is one of the great privileges
Speaker 2: of all of our lives, if, of course, you have
Speaker 2: that family connection to World War II, like I assume
Speaker 2: almost everyone does. The D Day landings were, of course,
Speaker 2: the only way that the Allied forces had decided that
Speaker 2: it was to push back upon the Nazis who had
Speaker 2: captured France. The excellent commentator at Sky News in the UK,
Speaker 2: who often provides the most exquisite detail during a royal
Speaker 2: parade or a coronation, has Linty's talents to explaining this
Speaker 2: moment in history eighty years ago.
Speaker 3: Operation had been planned for months and thousands of troops
Speaker 3: gathered along the south coast of England waiting for the
Speaker 3: optimum conditions to launch the invasion. To ensure success, the
Speaker 3: Allies deployed a series of deception campaigns to fool the
Speaker 3: Nazis and deflect German resources from the real target, with
Speaker 3: bombing raids carried out right across northern France. After a
Speaker 3: day's delay due to unfavorable weather conditions, Operation Neptune, the
Speaker 3: naval aspect of the invasion, began around midnight of the
Speaker 3: sixth of June an hour later, and the first British
Speaker 3: and American planes flew over, normally dropping around thirteen thousand
Speaker 3: paratroopers behind enemy lines and attacking key strategic German positions
Speaker 3: from above. D Day had begun. Various problems in including navigation,
Speaker 3: communication and heavy enemy fire, meant that many of the
Speaker 3: paratroopers landed off course, leaving scores dead or missing. Attention
Speaker 3: then turned to the beach assaults. German military leaders were
Speaker 3: expecting an invasion, but they believe the attacks from the
Speaker 3: air were only an attempt to divert their attention before
Speaker 3: an attack further up the coast near to Calais. The
Speaker 3: element of surprise helped tens of thousands of British troops
Speaker 3: to establish a foothold on beaches code named Gold and Sword.
Speaker 3: The Canadian forces themselves had another beach called Juno, and
Speaker 3: seventy three thousand Americans arrived in small landing craft on
Speaker 3: the westernmost beaches of Omaha and Utah.
Speaker 2: It is an extraordinary moment in time, one that to
Speaker 2: MENI of us take for granted that it happened, that
Speaker 2: we've commemorated it, that we've marked it in the past,
Speaker 2: but we must ask ourselves about what future generations will
Speaker 2: know in detail of this time. I will never pretend
Speaker 2: to be a war historian. I, like many, learn what
Speaker 2: we do from documentaries and reading this and that. But
Speaker 2: we still have amongst us the people who were there,
Speaker 2: including this man eighty years on, remembering what had happened
Speaker 2: to him and his fellow men, the last.
Speaker 1: Thirty two of the Queen. They didn't make it hold.
Speaker 4: And so I'm prefelling a promise to my love are
Speaker 4: going back and pan homage.
Speaker 2: For his part, King Charles has spoken at the events
Speaker 2: which have been taking place this morning, their time, tonight,
Speaker 2: our time. Here is what the King had to say
Speaker 2: in respect of this greatest generation.
Speaker 5: Those who gathered here in Portsmouth would never forget the sight.
Speaker 5: It was by far the largest military fleet the world
Speaker 5: has ever known. Yet all knew that both victory and
Speaker 5: failure were possible, and none could know their fate.
Speaker 2: Of course, events on both sides of the English Channel
Speaker 2: for the most obvious reasons. Now today we learn of
Speaker 2: the role of an Australian. An Australian who was part
Speaker 2: of what happened eighty years ago and is part of
Speaker 2: what is happening today. His name is Jim and he
Speaker 2: was a World War II Veterani. He's a member of
Speaker 2: the Sandgate RSL in Bruceban and he's one of a
Speaker 2: very small number of World War II veterans that aged
Speaker 2: between ninety nine and one hundred and six that have
Speaker 2: been invited to Normandy. His nephew, Robert Bass said that
Speaker 2: it was a fantastic thing to see him being given
Speaker 2: the recognition that he deserves. Though it's not known widely,
Speaker 2: around three thousand Australians participated in the D Day Landing,
Speaker 2: which of course took place in Normandy, France, on this
Speaker 2: day eighty years ago.
Speaker 1: We are indebted for their service.
Speaker 2: We are forever mournful for those who lost their lives,
Speaker 2: and we are for ever grateful for the country that
Speaker 2: they built when they came home, when they came home
Speaker 2: after defeating the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese. The countries
Speaker 2: that they built of Australia, New Zealand, the United States,
Speaker 2: the UK, Canada.
Speaker 1: And so many more.
Speaker 2: These are, in my view, some of the most special
Speaker 2: people that have ever walked the earth, and way too
Speaker 2: many of them left way too soon. As we would
Speaker 2: say in Australia. Less we forget an age will not
Speaker 2: weary them. But the reality is, of course, their number
Speaker 2: things by the day, their service is extraordinary. Now, let's
Speaker 2: pair of the steel in the spine of that generation,
Speaker 2: of what they did during World War Two, and in
Speaker 2: the country that they built, that produced so many wonderful things,
Speaker 2: a modern safe country, a country that did not have
Speaker 2: to worry about the ravages of war, and a country
Speaker 2: that has now become so spoilt in its own safety
Speaker 2: and a times self indulgence and arrogance that the types
Speaker 2: of people who now rule our country are some of
Speaker 2: the people that I want to talk about tonight. But
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about the Prime Minister, the
Speaker 2: Federal Parliament, the Premier, or the State Parliament. I'm going
Speaker 2: to talk about a local council. There's a local council
Speaker 2: that SIDY called the Inner West Council. It is one
Speaker 2: of the OsO Woke councils representing an OsO work area.
Speaker 2: But that's not what I wanted to talk about. What
Speaker 2: I wanted to talk about was just how far from
Speaker 2: reality many of the things that we debate or obsess
Speaker 2: ourselves about, and compare that within a couple of generations
Speaker 2: to what is being spoken of right now in Normandy
Speaker 2: and on the other side of the channel in the UK,
Speaker 2: there was a motion last night at the Inner West
Speaker 2: Council for all people who are on the council and
Speaker 2: all people who are significant people who work at the
Speaker 2: council to use their real names, not aliases when they
Speaker 2: post on official websites of the council. That's how far
Speaker 2: far we're fallham that firstly, this is what we debate
Speaker 2: in our chambers, but more importantly that it is needed
Speaker 2: to that people are so cowardly that they do not
Speaker 2: use their own name when arguing their point on the internet.
Speaker 2: And these are the people who are elected to lead us.
Speaker 2: The bloke that you've just seen is the councilor who
Speaker 2: suggested everyone should be not hiding behind anonymous titles on
Speaker 2: the internet. He tried to pass a rule that specifies
Speaker 2: that counselors should not use aliases when they are administrators
Speaker 2: or commenting on community Facebook groups.
Speaker 1: Oh how far we have fallen. But guess what.
Speaker 2: It was defeated almost unanimously. So not only do we
Speaker 2: have the stupidity of that, that was what was being
Speaker 2: debated in a Council Chamber in Australia that the group
Speaker 2: of people who also were on that council did not
Speaker 2: agree that you should not be anonymous when you are
Speaker 2: commenting on community Facebook pages. Now, I know that to
Speaker 2: compare anything to what we opened the show with is unfair,
Speaker 2: but jeez, what an example of how far we have
Speaker 2: fallen as a people and our priorities and the way
Speaker 2: we carry ourselves in public. Everyone on that council should
Speaker 2: be ashamed of themselves, firstly for voting it down. Secondly,
Speaker 2: if they are hiding behind anonymity, they have no courage whatsoever.
Speaker 1: Yet they rule like kings and queens.
Speaker 2: Getting off on telling us what they do each and
Speaker 2: every day, getting off on the power of how many
Speaker 2: bins you can have and.
Speaker 1: What day they get picked up.
Speaker 2: Committed to decolonizing the world, as if there was no
Speaker 2: Second World War, as if there was no imperial Japan
Speaker 2: that would have invaded Australia and did with Darwin, as
Speaker 2: if there was not the Nazis who took Europe and
Speaker 2: almost the United Kingdom. There are so many people that
Speaker 2: are just not serious. That's not a common ond whether
Speaker 2: people are smart or not. Because I don't pretend to
Speaker 2: be some professor of anything. I'm a bloke with a
Speaker 2: reasonable vocabulary who's able to remember quite a few things
Speaker 2: and put them to you each and every night. I
Speaker 2: pretend to be nothing other than what I am. But
Speaker 2: the people who seek to rule us, compared to those
Speaker 2: that have gone before, they are nothing. Yet they have
Speaker 2: seemingly more power than ever before. And another example about
Speaker 2: governments that aren't serious, and yeah, we're going to the
Speaker 2: federal level here. Yesterday I'm in arm everyone United, pointing
Speaker 2: at the Greens about how crazy they had gone in
Speaker 2: part in the support of protests, which, let's be honest,
Speaker 2: many of them actually mask themselves as being pro the
Speaker 2: innocent Palestinians. But scratch not too far under the surface
Speaker 2: and we start getting to people like that one that
Speaker 2: was expelled today from the Australian National University, who was
Speaker 2: all in on Hamas.
Speaker 1: Again.
Speaker 2: Yesterday arm in arm was the Prime Minister in Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton admonishing the Greens.
Speaker 6: It is unacceptable that misinformation has been consciously and deliberately
Speaker 6: spread by some Green senators and mpce. He have engaged
Speaker 6: in this in demonstrations outside offices and online.
Speaker 7: We stand as one in this chamber, or we should
Speaker 7: stand as one to make sure that we condemned the
Speaker 7: unacceptable levels of antisemitism that we see playing out on
Speaker 7: our streets.
Speaker 1: It has no place, and we.
Speaker 7: Will take everything, every action we need as a chamber
Speaker 7: to make sure that we condemn those acts of antisemitism
Speaker 7: in our country. And the Greens political party today is
Speaker 7: properly and rightly condemned.
Speaker 2: Now in part one of the ways that the Greens
Speaker 2: have been able to or at least the supporters of
Speaker 2: the Greens, we should say, have been showing their muscle
Speaker 2: or lack thereof, is in the process which had been
Speaker 2: taking place at universities. Remember we've shown you plenty of times,
Speaker 2: which does not show that the Greens are automatically evolved.
Speaker 2: But remember the one in Brisbane particular, when they were
Speaker 2: using the core flutes from the Greens the election posters,
Speaker 2: and on the other side was where they were writing
Speaker 2: some of the things they were saying at the protests. Well,
Speaker 2: of course, these university protests, this is all the sort
Speaker 2: of you know, anti Vietnam style thing wrapped up in
Speaker 2: a twenty first century bunch of people who you know,
Speaker 2: have no courage in the world. Instead, they're just doing
Speaker 2: it for the clicks. Their hunger stripe in the US
Speaker 2: lasted what.
Speaker 1: Half a day? Anyway, you know the stuff they say,
Speaker 1: thank you, it's Chris Kenny.
Speaker 7: You're the name, right, But there's no need to call
Speaker 7: me a creep.
Speaker 8: The Antacs played a major role in the violence that
Speaker 8: establish British mandate Palestine.
Speaker 2: Back to the stuff we were mentioning before, that's this
Speaker 2: weird new left right now, there are very good and
Speaker 2: very decent people who understand the extremes of what is
Speaker 2: taking place, who understand that to criticize the Israeli government
Speaker 2: is not to criticize the state of Israel, who believe
Speaker 2: that things have gone too far in Gaza. But none
Speaker 2: of those people are involved in these protests. None of
Speaker 2: these people are the ones who turn on students who
Speaker 2: again are Jewish in Australia. They're not the Prime Minister
Speaker 2: of Israel, They're not part of any government anywhere. They
Speaker 2: are people amongst us who deserve to be free to
Speaker 2: practice their religion, and yes, in a world of free speech,
Speaker 2: believe what they believe. But when it starts turning to
Speaker 2: where it has of recent months, well we all know
Speaker 2: what's going on here, But literally twenty four hours ago
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister was all waving fingers and carrying on
Speaker 2: about the Greens and about their role in things, and
Speaker 2: about how important it was to make sure that any
Speaker 2: sort of racial or religious discrimination was not acceptable in Australia. Well,
Speaker 2: when it comes to the question of the Greens and
Speaker 2: their obvious views that are not in the mainstream, there
Speaker 2: was an opportunity to have an inquiry. It was quite
Speaker 2: an inquiry into the madness on campus. But Labour turned
Speaker 2: around and voted it down. So yesterday, look at us,
Speaker 2: let's go after the real problem that in part is
Speaker 2: directly funded by the Australian government. No, those people are
Speaker 2: going to vote Green and they preference Labor. They're going
Speaker 2: to vote Labor. Need them to stay in power. Also
Speaker 2: interesting too, when the Labor Party was asked directly today,
Speaker 2: will you now put the Greens where they deserve to go,
Speaker 2: which is last on the ballot paper?
Speaker 9: Here's the question, will the Prime mister commit to preferencing
Speaker 9: Grand candidates last in every elector of the next election.
Speaker 1: Prime Minister's answer.
Speaker 4: You've hinted in your ruling there what my answer will be,
Speaker 4: mister Speaker, which is that those matters are all matters
Speaker 4: for the organization of the party.
Speaker 1: This is that we went through.
Speaker 6: But we won't be We won't certainly won't be taking
Speaker 6: elections lectures from the mob who want to preference one nation.
Speaker 2: Now, I'm sure that somebody will take three days write
Speaker 2: a thousand words in the Guardian to this question, but
Speaker 2: do you really think that one nation is worse than
Speaker 2: the Greens?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 2: I understand that there are political parties that they would
Speaker 2: not want to give their preferences to. So okay, let's
Speaker 2: go Green's last, one nation, second last, all the other
Speaker 2: way around.
Speaker 1: But let's not, in terms of Labor.
Speaker 2: Send preferences to the very people who are going to
Speaker 2: take Australian politics to the far left. Before paul In
Speaker 2: and everyone else gets annoyed with me. I'm not suggesting
Speaker 2: you should put one nation last. I'm talking about to
Speaker 2: the bosses of the Labor Party. And then, of course,
Speaker 2: after this next election, if the polls are right, we're
Speaker 2: going to be in a minority scenario. So can the
Speaker 2: government right now say they will not play any games
Speaker 2: post minority with the Greens.
Speaker 7: My question is to the Prime Minister, Prime Minister. Given
Speaker 7: the anti submitted conduct of the Greens political party and
Speaker 7: the Prime Minister's justified condemnation of them yesterday, will the
Speaker 7: Prime Minister rule out governing with the support of the Greens.
Speaker 1: Are your reckon happens now?
Speaker 6: I'm reminded of their Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and
Speaker 6: what the meaning of life is in this case, the
Speaker 6: meaning of life is seventy eight, which is how many
Speaker 6: members that we have.
Speaker 1: Over this side.
Speaker 6: We seek majority government, I said very clearly and consistently.
Speaker 6: Safe consists oh.
Speaker 2: A bloke who claims to hate the Greens but needs
Speaker 2: them to exist in order to get anywhere near seventy six,
Speaker 2: which is the majority, let alone seventy eight, which is.
Speaker 1: What they have.
Speaker 2: Seventy seats that Labor hold in the Parliament come with
Speaker 2: Green preferences, so spare me any garbage. And it was
Speaker 2: proven within twenty four hours when they had a chance
Speaker 2: to have an inquiry into what's been happening in the
Speaker 2: university campus say oh no, no, this is all just
Speaker 2: a pantomime. It wouldn't actually want to expose the behavior.
Speaker 2: For his part, Adam Bant was running around threatening to
Speaker 2: call in the lawyers because of things that had been said,
Speaker 2: which of course has a chilling effect on anyone criticizing
Speaker 2: the Greens madness. Now, obviously, last year we spend four
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty million dollars to go yes or no
Speaker 2: about whether there should be a change to the Constitution.
Speaker 2: The polls went from sixty forty yes to sixty forty
Speaker 2: hell no. And there were many big companies who decided
Speaker 2: to go all in because of course they're morally better
Speaker 2: than you. They're morally better than the majority of people
Speaker 2: in Western Australia, South Australia, Tasmania, the New South Wales, Victoria,
Speaker 2: the Northern Territory, Queensland. They are the moral equal of
Speaker 2: people in the Act who, by the way, this week
Speaker 2: of poll came and said seventy seven percent of them
Speaker 2: said that immigration was too high.
Speaker 1: But whatever, they're better than us.
Speaker 2: But there was obviously a moment where the companies were
Speaker 2: over here, but the public was over there, something noticed
Speaker 2: by the No campaign, who of course was able to
Speaker 2: win the public over with much less money and much
Speaker 2: less corporate support.
Speaker 10: And this whole process lately with the corporates, for instance,
Speaker 10: like what the hell have the corporates got to do
Speaker 10: with what we want to do as Aboriginal people and
Speaker 10: what we want to do and celebrate in that.
Speaker 2: So have companies learned their lesson answer no at a
Speaker 2: conference today, an ESG conference, So of course it's all
Speaker 2: the yeah man's. The companies have said that they are
Speaker 2: undeterred by the failure of the Voice referend and put
Speaker 2: simply that they will continue to use their capital to
Speaker 2: keep pushing political causes. And when the money's gone woke,
Speaker 2: it's hard to defeat it, which is why you're not
Speaker 2: given the opportunity of a plebiscite or a referendum that regularly.
Speaker 2: Instead you get your vote every three years if the
Speaker 2: Prime Minister had his way every four years. And the
Speaker 2: issue that they completely screwed you over two years ago
Speaker 2: you've completely forgotten about because look over here, look over here,
Speaker 2: Well there was a fascinating little thing that happened in
Speaker 2: the new South Wales Parliament and be under parliamentary privilege,
Speaker 2: I can play this for you. But a National MP
Speaker 2: for Parks, Mark Coulton is his name, has come forward
Speaker 2: and made an allegation that somebody who should otherwise be
Speaker 2: working and an organization working helping indigenous people and that
Speaker 2: part of New South Wales has had their funding cup
Speaker 2: and they are no longer part of the efforts in
Speaker 2: that part of New South Wales. Why because they didn't
Speaker 2: come out and support the yes case again Parliamentary privilege,
Speaker 2: Mark Colton Parks MP have a look at this.
Speaker 9: Clearly Ready has a mindset of local solutions driven by
Speaker 9: local people and they were not supportive of a Canberra
Speaker 9: based group of people that they felt would not represent
Speaker 9: their issues. Mind you, eighty percent of my electorate felt
Speaker 9: the same way, including many of the people that Ready helps.
Speaker 1: Now my apologies, Federal Parliament got to be going on tonight.
Speaker 1: He goes on to.
Speaker 2: Talk about how he believes that this organization has been
Speaker 2: essentially sidelined again because of the politics and the fallout
Speaker 2: of the Voice.
Speaker 9: I feel that the Regional Enterprise Development Institute and all
Speaker 9: the people that they support are going to be victimized.
Speaker 11: Because of a position that they took in a democratic
Speaker 11: country where we have freedom of choice, where the Aboriginal
Speaker 11: people in that organization decided they would rather manage their
Speaker 11: issues more locally and did not support that.
Speaker 2: It's his allegation that people there's a bit of revenge
Speaker 2: being played here by the industry against those who were
Speaker 2: not with the vibe of the industry. Instead, they were
Speaker 2: with the extreme majority of people in the seat of
Speaker 2: Parks and with the majority of people in the majority
Speaker 2: of states. In fact, everywhere bar the Act.
Speaker 1: Oh, I've got some good news for you.
Speaker 2: Stephen Miles, the Queensland premier, seen here trying to rustle
Speaker 2: up votes and people just walking.
Speaker 1: Straight past him.
Speaker 2: Well, a union spent a fair amount of money trying
Speaker 2: to put an opinion poll out this week. We mentioned
Speaker 2: it to make it seem like, Oh, things are not
Speaker 2: as bad as they seem when it comes to the
Speaker 2: polling for the upcoming Queensland election. Well, reality has now
Speaker 2: struck because Channel nine last night had an exclusive new polling,
Speaker 2: and this one shows Queensland is ready to get rid
Speaker 2: of this horrific government.
Speaker 3: Nine News has obtained exclusive new polling showing the Stephen
Speaker 3: Miles governments facing a wipeout at the state election. The
Speaker 3: polling is the worst result for Labor since it came
Speaker 3: to power in twenty fifteen, with their primary vote and
Speaker 3: support for Stephen Miles plunging plunging.
Speaker 1: I wish I could do that news rhythm. The Miles
Speaker 1: government is in a serious amount of trouble.
Speaker 2: Okay, just talk, but fair enough anyway, Please let's get
Speaker 2: to the poll.
Speaker 1: How bad are they doing.
Speaker 8: LNP now in front fifty seven to forty three on
Speaker 8: a two party preferred basis.
Speaker 1: As for the premier.
Speaker 8: Voters are also backing in David christ Iphoollyer's leader, with
Speaker 8: a net favorability rating of plus fourteen compared to the
Speaker 8: current premier, who rates negative eleven.
Speaker 2: Oh, that would be really unfair. That said, you got
Speaker 2: to maintain the rage, you got to maintain the focus.
Speaker 1: You've got to tell.
Speaker 2: Yourself neighbors, friends, family, doesn't matter how much money they
Speaker 2: offer you. They're trying to buy you off with the
Speaker 2: power bill thing and the trains thing. They'll come up
Speaker 2: with a whole bunch of other ones. They'll try to
Speaker 2: come up with every scare between now and then. But
Speaker 2: thankfully the people of Queensland, when they turn you off.
Speaker 1: You're done. That's why I love Queenslanders. Their BS detector
Speaker 1: finally tuned.
Speaker 2: It hasn't been great with this government, I must be honest.
Speaker 2: They should have gone last time. But I'm pleased to
Speaker 2: say that it's the detector is in the right direction.
Speaker 2: Let's make sure that it keeps going that way all
Speaker 2: the way till the end of the year. About October,
Speaker 2: looking forward to it. Oh, let's talk about Channel nine
Speaker 2: and their boss, Peter Costello.
Speaker 1: Well, as you.
Speaker 2: Know, there's been a few stories over the past few
Speaker 2: weeks about her rather full on and bloky culture. That's
Speaker 2: the polite way of putting things. The former Treasurer of
Speaker 2: Australia has been sitting pretty as the chairman of nine
Speaker 2: for a long period of time. Powerful man knows how
Speaker 2: to pick up a phone and make things happen.
Speaker 1: All the rest of it. Well, of course he's decided
Speaker 1: to back in a CEO.
Speaker 2: Who, by his own admission, has presided over not the
Speaker 2: best of working conditions for many women inside that organization.
Speaker 2: Of course, it all links back to the former news boss.
Speaker 2: You know the story, you know the details. Well, Petter
Speaker 2: Costello has not spoken about the role of the chairman
Speaker 2: about which member of the board knew about things that
Speaker 2: were going on. So, as you may will have heard
Speaker 2: by now, a reporter from the Australian newspaper went to
Speaker 2: Canberra Airport to try to ask him the questions he
Speaker 2: was ignored.
Speaker 1: And then this happened.
Speaker 3: Well, you've got to answer the questions, mister Costello.
Speaker 1: What now?
Speaker 2: This is serious because there is a reporter who has
Speaker 2: been injured, the equipment has been damaged. But this is
Speaker 2: the guy who used to be the Treasurer of Australia.
Speaker 2: This is the bloke who is the tippy top of
Speaker 2: an organization which has got its problems right now. And
Speaker 2: a bloke who didn't stop after the reporter got bowled over.
Speaker 1: After the state of Origin style leaning. He didn't stop.
Speaker 2: He just kept going why because it's just News Corp
Speaker 2: Road killed behind him.
Speaker 1: Presumably he even laughed.
Speaker 2: Thankfully, there were some people who had seen with their
Speaker 2: own eyes what had happened, because inevitably there was going
Speaker 2: to be a whole collection of people in the media
Speaker 2: that were going to turn around and say that nothing
Speaker 2: happened here, There was no contact whatsoever. Something magically tripped
Speaker 2: the bloke over instead with their own words what they
Speaker 2: saw with their own eyes.
Speaker 3: On me, because I'm trying to So you saw you
Speaker 3: saw that?
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: He like pitting about here. I don't know, wats your
Speaker 1: fall over there?
Speaker 13: I was just said, I'm going to spoke on the phone.
Speaker 10: Okay, yeah, yeah, I just saw it'd been shacking up.
Speaker 1: What was that about?
Speaker 13: Oh sorry, so obviously said something that I'm.
Speaker 1: Just asking questions about the Mike Sneezebe thing.
Speaker 14: So I'm on from the Australian and yeah, I thought
Speaker 14: like he's trying to he was trying to say that
Speaker 14: I walked into there, but.
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, yeah, so I saw that. Yeah, Earth,
Speaker 1: we saw it.
Speaker 2: Now, no doubt somebody is going to be studying CCTV
Speaker 2: footage like the Zabruta film in the next twenty four
Speaker 2: hours is away of somehow pretending that it was the
Speaker 2: reporter's fault. But come on, you saw what you saw.
Speaker 2: You saw the obvious contact. You saw no attempt to
Speaker 2: get out of the way, you saw no attempt to
Speaker 2: pull back. Instead, of course, you saw the moving forward.
Speaker 2: For his part, Petter Costello knows he's in a world
Speaker 2: of pain. So he was in Canberra tonight to open
Speaker 2: up a new facility that his company has at Parliament House,
Speaker 2: and while he was there, a collection of reporters decided
Speaker 2: to confront him. Notice the very careful language he uses here.
Speaker 1: When I came through Camberra Airport.
Speaker 13: There was a reporter walking backwards with his phone filming.
Speaker 13: As I walked past him, he walked back into an
Speaker 13: advertising play card and he fell over. I did not
Speaker 13: strike him. If he's upset about that, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 13: I did not strike him.
Speaker 1: Nobody said strike.
Speaker 2: I can't wait to see somebody produced the four hundred
Speaker 2: thousand words to say nothing to see here. Your lion
Speaker 2: eyes have been lying to you yet again now. Also,
Speaker 2: it was interesting that when he made those comments in Canberra,
Speaker 2: not one person actually asked the question that were being
Speaker 2: asked of him at the airport about who knew what
Speaker 2: and when and what responsibility will or won't be taken.
Speaker 2: Now again, if you don't want to answer questions, you
Speaker 2: don't have to win Australia. But the idea that you
Speaker 2: just ignore the person answer asking you the questions rather
Speaker 2: than you said, look, man, i'm not going to say anything.
Speaker 1: Okay, sorry, I'm not going to say anything.
Speaker 2: And then if you see something that's getting close to
Speaker 2: some level of a confrontation, either.
Speaker 1: The bloke backing in or you leaning in, then you
Speaker 1: get out of the way. But that didn't happen, did it.
Speaker 2: But of course I guarantee by the time this is dissected,
Speaker 2: it'll be.
Speaker 1: Your eyes that were lying, as opposed to.
Speaker 2: Some of the things that may will be said about
Speaker 2: this incident in the coming days.
Speaker 1: All right. And finally, Nigel Farajau dear friend.
Speaker 2: We are going to talk to him at some point
Speaker 2: in time when he's back in London, but he's actually
Speaker 2: going to is all over the country.
Speaker 1: Of course, as the new leader of the Reform Party.
Speaker 2: Now, his idea here is to basically take existing Tory
Speaker 2: seats and turn them into Reform seats. This is essentially
Speaker 2: the right wing, the Boris Johnson wing, and a little
Speaker 2: further of the Conservative Party, dropping Team Blue and picking
Speaker 2: up Team Teal, which ironically is the color of Nigel
Speaker 2: Faraja's Reform Party. There Well, Pole comes out last night
Speaker 2: that this is getting close. Now, remember they have a
Speaker 2: first past the post system in the UK, so labor
Speaker 2: Well at forty percent wins a whole bunch of seats.
Speaker 2: The Conservatives obviously would be higher than nineteen percent in
Speaker 2: certain places, but Reform is right on their heels at
Speaker 2: seventeen percent. In response, Niger Ferras Sa is just getting
Speaker 2: started now, I'll be honest, I was not going to
Speaker 2: pay too much attention to the UK election because it's
Speaker 2: a foregone conclusion that Labour's going to win. But now
Speaker 2: it's interesting, will people say, bugger the Tories, I'm going
Speaker 2: with Nigel and then that is what becomes the opposition
Speaker 2: or the first part of the post system means it's
Speaker 2: Nigel and a couple of others that make it through
Speaker 2: to the part. We'll all wait, we'll all see, we'll
Speaker 2: all learn together. Thanks for watching big one here tonight.
Speaker 1: Let's get into it.
Speaker 2: Tell me who do you think the winner and loser
Speaker 2: of the week. I think the chairman of a certain
Speaker 2: company might make the list tonight BNU sec Ah how
Speaker 2: Good's Thursday Ladies Night, this evening and two are the
Speaker 2: best Join us, of course, none other than one for
Speaker 2: Christy McSweeney joining us from Melbourne and the equally lovely
Speaker 2: Lisa god Are joining us from Brisbane.
Speaker 1: All right, ladies.
Speaker 2: The incident of utter blokiness, that is the former treasurer,
Speaker 2: the chairman of the Nine network ignoring doing it, trying
Speaker 2: to be passive aggressive and then seemingly outright aggressive when
Speaker 2: it comes to questioning from the Australians Reporter in Canberra.
Speaker 1: Lisa, again, it is.
Speaker 2: Everyone's right to not answer questions, and it's a public space,
Speaker 2: which means it's every reporter's right to go and ask
Speaker 2: the questions. But wouldn't you either just stop and say, mate,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to talk about this, or if you
Speaker 2: saw the reporter getting anywhere near like if his version
Speaker 2: of events is to be believed and I don't, which
Speaker 2: is the he tripped over even after it happened, wouldn't
Speaker 2: you go maybe you okay?
Speaker 1: Instead Bank kept going with a little giggle.
Speaker 12: As well, Yeah, look, he knows completely how the media
Speaker 12: cycle works. And look, when you're doing media training, it's
Speaker 12: the one to oh one of teaching executives and anyone
Speaker 12: who's in the public eye. How do you manage what
Speaker 12: is called a doorstopol I worked for a current affair,
Speaker 12: I worked for Today tonight. That what you saw tonight
Speaker 12: a doorstop, bounced the unscheduled and bushed interview. Politicians, especially
Speaker 12: if Peter Costello's vintage, are absolutely aware of how they
Speaker 12: should manage that sort of situation. You're right, it was
Speaker 12: a public space. The journalists had every right to be
Speaker 12: asking the questions, and he should have managed it much better.
Speaker 12: And now to turn around now and think that what
Speaker 12: you're seeing in that vision isn't exactly what happened, Well,
Speaker 12: I think this has a long way.
Speaker 1: To play out.
Speaker 12: And as you say, the stories and the headlines that
Speaker 12: have been coming out about Channel nine in the past
Speaker 12: week or so, it does nothing to stand for the
Speaker 12: culture and the way that you should be treating people.
Speaker 12: It's got a long way to run.
Speaker 2: I think again, as I said, I understand the adversarial
Speaker 2: nature of a lot of different things and all the
Speaker 2: currents and subcurrents and all the rest of it. Right,
Speaker 2: but even if somebody was coming at me, who I
Speaker 2: wasn't a particular fan of, if I saw that they
Speaker 2: had been in any level of physical pain, you'd stop
Speaker 2: and so made a uoka instead keep going. That's the
Speaker 2: issue to me, that's sort of you know, where we
Speaker 2: start to get into what's really underlying a lot of
Speaker 2: what we've been seeing tonight.
Speaker 14: Well, it's not great footage. Certainly, it's not great footage
Speaker 14: for Channel nine to have this enter the media cycle
Speaker 14: as well. On top of the fact that they are fighting,
Speaker 14: there's media cycle around what are they going to do
Speaker 14: with their CEO? And that is They've got two stories
Speaker 14: out there now, almost guaranteeing mass coverage for nine on
Speaker 14: two separate issues. The Treasurer, the former Treasurer of Australia.
Speaker 14: How many do we have to talk about this week?
Speaker 14: Is Well knows what it's like to go to Canberra
Speaker 14: Airport and b doorstop by journalists. He has done that,
Speaker 14: probably more times than he could count. I think it
Speaker 14: sounds like a lapse of judgment from him. He's forgotten
Speaker 14: where he perhaps is for a moment. This is Cambra.
Speaker 14: You're the chairman of Channel nine and your companies under siege.
Speaker 14: Of course there are going to be journalists said to
Speaker 14: ask you questions. You're attending a well publicized event, and
Speaker 14: it doesn't take a lot to figure out that he
Speaker 14: may be on a flight from Melbourne coming into Camber
Speaker 14: this evening.
Speaker 2: Well, we're on our way to what twenty one minutes
Speaker 2: away from ten o'clock at night in the East Coast.
Speaker 2: Current headline on the CIDY Morning Held's website is quote
Speaker 2: you assaulted me nine check Costello appears to shove journalists
Speaker 2: to the ground with video of the particular incident. Let's
Speaker 2: see how long that headline stays the way that it
Speaker 2: currently does, or whether it gets a little bit.
Speaker 1: Of in how shimmy, we'll all see and learn.
Speaker 2: To All right, let's talk about companies and again on
Speaker 2: the other side of what that company was doing today,
Speaker 2: which was that the Financial Review with its ZSG conference
Speaker 2: and basically a whole bunch of big companies double down
Speaker 2: and say no lesson learned from the voice Christy again,
Speaker 2: we've got to this place now where capital has gone woke,
Speaker 2: where money has gone woke, where the banks, where the
Speaker 2: big financial institutions have now flipped basically from the center
Speaker 2: right to now. I would argue the center left, maybe
Speaker 2: at times a little further out. And of course once
Speaker 2: the money flips, well or a power comes with that.
Speaker 2: Do you think that even at an ESG conference, that
Speaker 2: some of these companies should be aware that part of
Speaker 2: their advocacy actually sort of annoyed people rather than told
Speaker 2: us what the company cared about.
Speaker 14: Well, they certainly doubled down, didn't they. There was some
Speaker 14: quite a nuance language, I thought from the superannuation funds,
Speaker 14: which was very very interesting given that super fun largely
Speaker 14: industry superfunds and largely union controlled. They said, we're only
Speaker 14: going to weigh into issues that affect our operations, which
Speaker 14: is people's decisions around financial services and superanuation. Whereas Westpac
Speaker 14: doubled down and said we're not going to stop and
Speaker 14: in fact gave everybody a lecture on reconciliation. It's not
Speaker 14: a public policy forum, it's an ESG forum and attended
Speaker 14: by non academics or not indigenous organizations certainly, but people
Speaker 14: from banks. So I thought that was best inappropriate, at
Speaker 14: worst wildly off topic.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's this thing, Lisa Aware.
Speaker 2: I constantly think about this when we go to regional Australia, right,
Speaker 2: is that I would like to see if major companies
Speaker 2: want to care about what's happening in indigenous communities, go
Speaker 2: to them, like have your big conferences and your team
Speaker 2: building meetings and all the rest of it. And I'm
Speaker 2: not talking about inviting you know, one local person in
Speaker 2: for the smoking ceremony. I'm saying about, Okay, go and interact,
Speaker 2: go and help, Go and donate time, Go and donate
Speaker 2: part of the proceeds of your business to something happening
Speaker 2: on the front lines. Instead, it all sort of happens inside,
Speaker 2: you know, the shiny towers of Sydney Melbourne and Brisbane,
Speaker 2: where it's all about advocacy, advocacy, advocacy. I'd like to
Speaker 2: go to Alice Springs one night, see what's going on
Speaker 2: and then work out how their business can do the
Speaker 2: one percent thing that might make things one percent better
Speaker 2: than Alice Springs.
Speaker 12: Look, I think corporate Australia do do their part as
Speaker 12: far as donating into local communities and trying to buy
Speaker 12: local and support local. But what I sort of the
Speaker 12: rub for me in reading this tonight was looking at
Speaker 12: the Westpac boss sitting there, as you saying, in an
Speaker 12: ivory tower at a very elite conference and saying, well,
Speaker 12: what is happening with the Indigenousustralians?
Speaker 1: So you know, for so long we saw.
Speaker 12: Them lecturing us and pushing the voice. But where are
Speaker 12: they now? What are they doing now to actually try
Speaker 12: and change that dollar rather than just sit there and
Speaker 12: try and gain sort of ESG points for it. So
Speaker 12: that's I think where most of the strains will look
Speaker 12: at that and look back, Paul, when we were talking
Speaker 12: about this in October last year and the months and
Speaker 12: months before that, everybody was looking what was happening in
Speaker 12: the Northern Territory, What was happening indigenous communities. When was
Speaker 12: the last time you saw it on the front page
Speaker 12: of any publication?
Speaker 1: Great point, very good point, very good point.
Speaker 2: All right, Bill Shorten. So apparently the riumor running around
Speaker 2: is not only are we headed towards this reshuffle where
Speaker 2: losers like the Immigration Minister get moved around, but apparently
Speaker 2: there is a plan to try to make him Bill Shorten,
Speaker 2: the former Labor leader and of course therefore thorn in
Speaker 2: the side of albow, to try to get him out
Speaker 2: of the Parliament and send him off to the embassy
Speaker 2: in France. Now we know that politicians have done this before,
Speaker 2: but generally speaking, the dynamic has not been one where
Speaker 2: the person that's being removed is still sort of the
Speaker 2: head of a certain section of the caucus, the Cabinet
Speaker 2: and all the rest of it. It's about as subtle
Speaker 2: as a sledgehammer. But that's the way this Prime Minister
Speaker 2: can be at times.
Speaker 1: Christie.
Speaker 2: Of course everyone will deny it, everyone will say there's
Speaker 2: nothing to see here. But didn't they say that about
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 14: The difference is, I think Kevin Brad desperately wanted that job.
Speaker 14: I think there's one job that Bill Shorten wants and
Speaker 14: it is exceedingly clear his performance this week on the
Speaker 14: NDS issues. He is out ranking the Prime Minister and
Speaker 14: Jim Chalmers, another right faction upcomer a one hundred to
Speaker 14: one on performance and being across his brief and actually
Speaker 14: giving some gravitas and credibility to the Labor cabinet. And
Speaker 14: I think of all the cabinet ministers, he is perhaps
Speaker 14: the only one who has identified areas of economic reform,
Speaker 14: which is to reduce the spending of the NDS and
Speaker 14: get it down to a percentage that's manageable, it will
Speaker 14: still be too high, go to war with the States
Speaker 14: and try and bring a balance in public policy but
Speaker 14: also economically to the n DIS. I can't think of
Speaker 14: another Labor cabinet minister who has actually done that in
Speaker 14: their portfolio. Does he want to leave the front bench
Speaker 14: at this point? If I was looking at the Prime
Speaker 14: Minister's performance, I would think maybe it's not time for
Speaker 14: me to go.
Speaker 1: Yet the Labor Party.
Speaker 2: Look, I think the way the Labor Party works now
Speaker 2: it's way more to the left. He's had two elections.
Speaker 2: I don't think he gets another shot at it. Ever,
Speaker 2: one of us will the tape will prove us right
Speaker 2: or wrong a little further down the future, Lisa, your thoughts.
Speaker 12: I think it's a rewir to a very nasty media
Speaker 12: cycle talking about the six hundred thousand dollars thunders.
Speaker 1: Of speech writer. Thank you.
Speaker 12: I think it was a very smart moviea strategy to
Speaker 12: start putting that rumor back out there again. It certainly
Speaker 12: shifted the headlines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, surprise, surprise.
Speaker 2: It's almost like that's the whole point of what they do,
Speaker 2: rather than actually focusing in taking care of the real issues.
Speaker 1: All right, quick break back with more.
Speaker 2: Can you find out from the ladies who they think
Speaker 2: is the wwitter and loser of the week. Your thoughts
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Speaker 2: an email. Paul at skynews dot com dot Au Late
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Speaker 2: skynies dot com dot au. So Lisa got he with
Speaker 2: Christy McSweeney. Let's get into a couple of things, including, oh,
Speaker 2: the idea that a council in the twenty first century
Speaker 2: is dealing with something.
Speaker 1: As ridiculous as this, because obviously it's an.
Speaker 2: Issue where a council was asked to vote on a
Speaker 2: rule to make sure that the councilors and the key
Speaker 2: people who work for the council don't hide behind their
Speaker 2: computers and pretend to be anonymous on community Facebook groups.
Speaker 2: The council voted against it, So firstly the motion seems weird,
Speaker 2: but then when they vote against the motion, that's even weirder.
Speaker 2: Now again, Rhodes rates rubbish, all the rest of them,
Speaker 2: we're all going to agree on it. But Lisa, what
Speaker 2: does that say about that particular council that you wouldn't
Speaker 2: just completely agree. No one's hiding behind fake profiles on
Speaker 2: the Internet.
Speaker 12: Do you let me think you don't need to be
Speaker 12: Sherlock Holmes, I don't need to figure out there's just
Speaker 12: the odd one or two, you know, fake accounts out.
Speaker 12: They're putting out comments into community groups and pushing personal
Speaker 12: agendas that they don't want their names associated with. Look,
Speaker 12: we are so against the keyboard corwards who sit there
Speaker 12: and troll people in communities and aren't brave enough to
Speaker 12: put their face and their proper name out on these accounts.
Speaker 12: You would expect that counselors wouldn't have to hide behind
Speaker 12: some pretend account to go out there and push their
Speaker 12: political agenda. I just think, yeah, it should not have
Speaker 12: been voted down. Good only for offering it up.
Speaker 1: Well, and that's it. And Christy but they would freely agree, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course, yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool, cold, no, no, no, no, just talking about hiding and
Speaker 2: plain sight when everyone but and it's interesting about the way.
Speaker 1: That hyper local news works.
Speaker 2: Right, So we have big national conversations in state and
Speaker 2: all the rest of it, right, but these sort of
Speaker 2: the community Facebook group really is where a lot of
Speaker 2: things get fought out, and often if you're in those things.
Speaker 1: I'm not, But if you're in those things.
Speaker 2: You can get a real taste of where the politics
Speaker 2: is going to go, but also how people are trying
Speaker 2: to agitate for your area to be exactly the opposite
Speaker 2: of what it is, or to go go back to
Speaker 2: the eighties and why can't I be the way it
Speaker 2: used to be? Those things get a bit wild. Are
Speaker 2: you in any Christie under a non deplume?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 14: Look, Paul, once you run for federal parliament, you have
Speaker 14: no reason to hide anymore because your whole life and
Speaker 14: everything you believe in and everything you've ever said is
Speaker 14: on the Internet. So I'm very happy to put my
Speaker 14: name and my face to any opinions.
Speaker 11: That I have.
Speaker 14: I am on a community Facebook group in a small
Speaker 14: town of four thousand people where I grew up in
Speaker 14: Western Australia, and one day I will write the Great
Speaker 14: Australian Novel from the transcripts of it, because it is incredible.
Speaker 14: Who would disagree that if you are representing constituents on
Speaker 14: a community Facebook board or site or group, that you
Speaker 14: would not declare yourselves as a representative of those constituents.
Speaker 14: Don't We call that cat fishing?
Speaker 1: Very good point now, Christine, feel free. I give you
Speaker 1: full an absolute authority to say no comment.
Speaker 2: Paul, what's the weirdest question that you get asked while
Speaker 2: you're going.
Speaker 1: Through the application process of running for federal parliament, when.
Speaker 2: They're trying to weed out people who've got something in
Speaker 2: their history or something that's a bit controversial, or what's
Speaker 2: the one question you went you're really going to like,
Speaker 2: there's no problem here, but you're really going to ask
Speaker 2: me that?
Speaker 14: Well, they ask if you've been jailed, and I'm thinking, well,
Speaker 14: if you're nominating for pre selection of a major party,
Speaker 14: if you have to ask me that question by the
Speaker 14: time I'm at the point of filling out the form,
Speaker 14: there's something going wrong here with our processes. But of
Speaker 14: course both major parties have demonstrated that there probably is
Speaker 14: a lot wrong with their vetting processes, so on one hand,
Speaker 14: perhaps people couldn't be surprised that question is actually asked.
Speaker 2: Well again, Lisa, question without notice? You know with a
Speaker 2: dony media, wonderful organization, do you.
Speaker 12: Have a question without notices?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know.
Speaker 2: Nothing else, it's only live on telling you what can
Speaker 2: possibly be cut out of context on the internet. Here
Speaker 2: is there is there a filtering process when you go
Speaker 2: looking for employees where you sort of ask some weird question,
Speaker 2: a little a little special personality test question about their past.
Speaker 12: We have a very interesting picture in our office where
Speaker 12: it's a clock on the wall and the clock of
Speaker 12: the hands and the clock have stopped. And it's quite
Speaker 12: interesting to ask the future interns or young staff members
Speaker 12: what does that mean to you? Because it's interesting that
Speaker 12: some of them are like, you know, I'm a clock watch,
Speaker 12: or I have to be a clock watch, or ho
Speaker 12: do you It's an interesting little psychological ortry.
Speaker 1: Clever.
Speaker 2: I like that, that's very clever. Or they just go,
Speaker 2: what's the little hand for you know, which.
Speaker 1: Is probably what many you reativity And there's the door.
Speaker 1: It's like we have lad, I'm done, all right, Let's
Speaker 1: go to witness and Losers of the week. Christy, who
Speaker 1: stands out for you.
Speaker 14: A merely a Haimer clear winner of this week. The
Speaker 14: former treasurer out of Australia, the former member for Kuyong,
Speaker 14: has scuttled off yet again for the third time, into
Speaker 14: the background, allowing Amelia to do the job for which
Speaker 14: she is pre selecting for until at least October.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you, but as I said to Josh Sam,
Speaker 2: it's fine, go make the money. Come back in a
Speaker 2: couple of years, there'll be a spot for you at
Speaker 2: some point. But let's see what happens at MKU on
Speaker 2: which that redistribution has made it slightly more liberal.
Speaker 1: All right for you, Lisa.
Speaker 12: I think loser would have to be the Jewish community.
Speaker 12: They would have watched what happened in Parliament today and
Speaker 12: just felt like they've just been hit again. And you know, yeah,
Speaker 12: they're the losers of the week. And I have to
Speaker 12: say a winner. Well, today is queenslanda I'm wearing the
Speaker 12: wrong color, but it is Queensland Day, one hundred and
Speaker 12: sixty five years since we gained independence from Juday.
Speaker 2: I want to become a Queensland Okay. I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm going to do. What the tests? Can you
Speaker 2: figure this out? This has to be the project, all right.
Speaker 2: I will do anything to do it, all right, Oh
Speaker 2: that's dangerous, almost anything to do it. Thank you, mate, appreciated.
Speaker 2: That's actually not just for tonight, but for the week.
Speaker 2: Have a great weekend, Go Tigers, Go Yankees, and we'll
Speaker 2: see you again on Sunday night.
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