1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's stupid to look at cocaine trade 2 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: on a national level because this is an international trade. 3 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 1: It's just a commodity that has to go from A 4 00:00:15,560 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: to B. 5 00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 2: Actually it works like regular trade, but it has a 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 2: dark side to it as well. 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 3: Just a recommendation, the you know, the labels with the information. 8 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:35,760 Speaker 1: It's nothing because that's judicial evidence. See. 9 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 4: Cartagena is a city on the north coast of Columbia. 10 00:00:40,800 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 4: It's picturesque, full of cobbled streets and brightly colored colonial 11 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:49,600 Speaker 4: buildings that look out over the Caribbean Sea. Centuries ago, 12 00:00:49,960 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 4: wooden ships would arrive here to be loaded with gold 13 00:00:53,000 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 4: bound for Europe. Today, Stephen Drill is at the city's port, 14 00:01:01,160 --> 00:01:05,319 Speaker 4: where hundreds of container ships still arrive every year, but 15 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 4: to be filled with another kind of precious cargo. 16 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 5: That's with better security than this week. 17 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 4: Right now, Stephen's been shown into a locked room which 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,400 Speaker 4: is mostly empty except for a huge pile of bags 19 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 4: stuff full of cocaine, containing the small mountain of drugs 20 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 4: that has been seized by customs in the past month. 21 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:34,959 Speaker 5: Eight hundred kilo ceiling of two containers. 22 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 4: Think about that for a moment. Eight hundred kilograms of 23 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 4: cocaine seized in a single day, and no one seems 24 00:01:44,760 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: to think that's unusual. One of the customs officials goes 25 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 4: over and picks out a black duffel bag drags it 26 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:53,639 Speaker 4: back across the floor. 27 00:01:54,840 --> 00:01:59,800 Speaker 1: This doesn't paches. 28 00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 6: The book is usually fifty sixty. 29 00:02:06,880 --> 00:02:14,519 Speaker 4: The customs official opens the bagger, you can see the 30 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 4: dur and starts pulling out blocks the size of bricks, 31 00:02:19,320 --> 00:02:22,480 Speaker 4: which are shrink wrapped in black plastic labeled with the 32 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 4: name Juvonci. Inside is a solid block of white powder, 33 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 4: which has nothing to do with the luxury fashion house, 34 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 4: so white as brick after brick of cocaine is unloaded 35 00:02:42,000 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 4: on the tile floor, Stephen is told the street value 36 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 4: of this eight hundred kilo hall would be about six 37 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:53,399 Speaker 4: hundred million US dollars. That's the total amount people will 38 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 4: pay for it in countries like the UK and Australia. 39 00:02:57,880 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 4: Six hundred million US is on most half a billion 40 00:03:01,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 4: pounds or nearly a billion Aussie dollars. It's pretty hard 41 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 4: to get your head around those numbers. But what really 42 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 4: makes my head spin is this. If you're the drug 43 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 4: gang hoping to sell this cocaine, then actually while it's 44 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 4: still here in Cartagena. It isn't worth very much at all. 45 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 4: In fact, if you were running an international drug smuggling operation, 46 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:36,240 Speaker 4: it's the kind of loss you wouldn't even notice. I'm 47 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 4: Fiona Hamilton and from The Times, the Sunday Times and 48 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 4: News Corp Australia. This is Cocaine Inc. Episode three, the 49 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 4: sixty four million percent markup. I'll leave it to Stephen, 50 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 4: who's looking at this drug hall, to explain it. 51 00:04:03,840 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 7: Okay, think about it this way. In the Colombian jungles, 52 00:04:08,480 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 7: the raw coca leaves that are used to make cocaine 53 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,880 Speaker 7: are worth about point zero zero zero six two US 54 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:19,039 Speaker 7: dollars per gram. That's according to figures from the United Nations. 55 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 7: Now that's not much here in Cartagena. The price of 56 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 7: process cocaine it's much higher. It's about one point two 57 00:04:28,720 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 7: dollars per gram. And once it's shipped from here to 58 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 7: the US, where these blocks of coke were likely headed, 59 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:40,440 Speaker 7: the price goes up again to thirty US dollars. And 60 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 7: that's the wholesale price, meaning the price paid by the 61 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 7: drug gangs. The retail price, so the price paid on 62 00:04:48,560 --> 00:04:52,119 Speaker 7: the street by cocaine users. That's more like one hundred 63 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 7: and twenty dollars per gram. By the time the cocaine 64 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 7: has been smuggled across the Atlantic to Europe, it can 65 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 7: be even more expensive. And if it's moved all the 66 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,880 Speaker 7: way to Australia, by which time it may have been 67 00:05:04,920 --> 00:05:08,760 Speaker 7: shipped through several different countries, the cost really goes up 68 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Speaker 7: as high as four hundred US dollars, meaning the difference 69 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,760 Speaker 7: in price between raw cocaine and Colombia and cocaine brought 70 00:05:16,800 --> 00:05:20,360 Speaker 7: on the streets of Sydney is a sixty four million 71 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:28,159 Speaker 7: percent markup, and those kind of profits can make people 72 00:05:28,160 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 7: commit violence. But also there's something else going on here. 73 00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:45,040 Speaker 7: While the markup is insane, there's another issue at play. 74 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 7: When the police make these big cocaine seizures, they're not 75 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,039 Speaker 7: technically misrepresenting the figures, but what they do is pick 76 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 7: the very highest figure that they can, the street value, 77 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 7: which makes the size of that cocaine sea sound really 78 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 7: really impressive, when actually the value to the drug gang 79 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 7: involved is much much less, meaning the seizure isn't worth 80 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 7: what the authorities say it is. I'll explain that more 81 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 7: in just a moment, because as I'm starting to look 82 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:21,560 Speaker 7: at the figures and getting ready to leave Columbia and 83 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:25,840 Speaker 7: head north to Mexico. I get told, wait, there's somebody 84 00:06:25,839 --> 00:06:30,080 Speaker 7: else you need to talk to, and not just any someone. 85 00:06:31,040 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 7: This is someone flying in by helicopter. Especially I've brought 86 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 7: us targes Menta Gerald, thank you so much for agreeing 87 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 7: to be interviewed. Thank you. This is the boss of 88 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 7: the Colombian National Police Force, Director General William Rene Salamanca Ramirez. 89 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:55,240 Speaker 7: He's the man leading the war against the cocaine cartels 90 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:59,479 Speaker 7: in this country. He's rugged, with close cropped hair, and 91 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 7: where's in uniform with gold buttons. Only days before our interview, 92 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 7: a drug gang killed one of his officers. Speaking through 93 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:17,200 Speaker 7: a translator, I asked him how dangerous their job Isumbian. 94 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 5: It is a very demanding work. There are some settings 95 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: in the Columbian territory where we still need to be 96 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:34,040 Speaker 5: accompanied by special detachment of security because of the security conditions. 97 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 5: There are many places around the country, in what we 98 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:46,920 Speaker 5: call the deep Columbia, where there are very strong attacks 99 00:07:47,880 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 5: by terrorist troops. 100 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,040 Speaker 7: He talks about terrorists and an expression that's become common 101 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,680 Speaker 7: in Columbia is narco terrorism. That word is used to 102 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 7: describe the actions of these commer or businesses. In Colombia, 103 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 7: I hired assassin charges as little as five hundred US 104 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:11,280 Speaker 7: dollars to execute a police officer. About fourteen thousand people 105 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:14,480 Speaker 7: are killed a year, some of them hacked to death 106 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 7: by drug gangs. 107 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: See those criminality inquents. 108 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 5: All criminals and offenders are always rethinking the way they 109 00:08:25,040 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 5: add the plice forces around the world to reinvent yourself, 110 00:08:31,200 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 5: to be retrained and to learn in order to be 111 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 5: able to face these challenges. And Columbia is. 112 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 7: Not the exception. Columbia isn't the exception, he says. The 113 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 7: power of those running the cocaine business is international. It's 114 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 7: that sixty marked up driving the entire trade. 115 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 5: So long as their supply and demand, there's going to 116 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 5: be a cost, and both stay be for this cost. 117 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 5: And there are some many families that have lost through children. 118 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:13,679 Speaker 5: And we're losing. Both societies are losing both thous trillions 119 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 5: and Colombians. 120 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:22,480 Speaker 7: Both societies, he says, are losing from the drug trade. Now, 121 00:09:22,520 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 7: let's go back to those bags for cocaine bricks labeled 122 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 7: Javoni being unloaded onto the floor in the locked room 123 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,920 Speaker 7: in the Port of Cartagena. The Australian police tell me 124 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:35,079 Speaker 7: it's part of a Seizu're worth around six hundred million 125 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 7: US dollars, but actually that's not quite right. Sitting down 126 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 7: with a calculator on my phone, I'll work out that's 127 00:09:42,720 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 7: very much the maximum possible figure. Six hundred million is 128 00:09:47,000 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 7: what it's worth only at the end of the supply chain, 129 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:53,040 Speaker 7: when it's cut up, divided into those little ziplock plastic 130 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 7: baggies and sold by the gram on the street in 131 00:09:55,720 --> 00:10:02,840 Speaker 7: Sydney or Melbourne. Do you understand why that's important. Imagine 132 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:06,600 Speaker 7: you're having dinner at a really fancy restaurant because I'm 133 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 7: from Australia. Let's say it's the Opera House overlooking Sydney Harbor, 134 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:15,680 Speaker 7: just about dusk. For dessert, you choose a crem caramel 135 00:10:15,720 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 7: from the menu. It cost you forty dollars and he's 136 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 7: made using another Columbian export sugar. That sugar has been harvested, 137 00:10:24,760 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 7: refined and shipped. Along the way. It's been bought and 138 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 7: sold in bulk by different companies or middle men who 139 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 7: each make a profit. Eventually it gets mixed with other 140 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 7: different ingredients. Sometimes it's baked, and then it's hand delivered 141 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:45,080 Speaker 7: to your table, delicious as it is, you wouldn't use 142 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,719 Speaker 7: the cost of that forty dollars pudding to calculate the 143 00:10:47,800 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 7: value of the sacoflour sugar lying at the docks in Carthagena. 144 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 7: That'd be madness, except that's exactly what law enforcement all 145 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:58,480 Speaker 7: around the world is doing. 146 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 8: You At eleven more than one million dollars worth of. 147 00:11:02,679 --> 00:11:06,959 Speaker 7: Cocaine, forty million dollars worth of cocaine, thirty two hundred 148 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 7: pounds of cocaine street value seventy seven million dollars three 149 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 7: hundred and twenty million dollars street value of more than 150 00:11:14,920 --> 00:11:16,559 Speaker 7: one billion dollars. 151 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,800 Speaker 1: In all drugs with a street value of one point 152 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 1: six billion pounds. 153 00:11:30,440 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 7: That eight hundred kiliground of coke laid out on the 154 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 7: floor in Cardagena isn't worth six hundred million, not to 155 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 7: the cartail who bought it and will need to replace 156 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 7: it to them here in Colombia. It probably costs less 157 00:11:43,720 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 7: than a million US dollars, So it'd be wrong for 158 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:50,240 Speaker 7: anyone to describe it as a six hundred million dollar 159 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 7: blow against the drug gangs. And that's important because throwing 160 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,080 Speaker 7: crazy numbers around about the cocaine trade helps nobody to 161 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:02,559 Speaker 7: understand it. But if I do want to understand the business, 162 00:12:03,040 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 7: which I'm trying to, I need to follow the money 163 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 7: through the process of that sixty four million percent markup. 164 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 7: The next step is to travel out across the Caribbean 165 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 7: Sea over the horizon, heading north to Mexico. This is Tijuana, 166 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 7: a gridlock city of over two million people that sits 167 00:12:31,480 --> 00:12:35,040 Speaker 7: right up against the Mexico US border. While most of 168 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 7: the cocaine that arrives in Mexico from Cartagena is carried 169 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 7: by ship, we flew and then drove north to get here. 170 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 7: Outside the car window, I can see the border wall 171 00:12:46,400 --> 00:12:49,679 Speaker 7: built by President Trump, made out of metal the color 172 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 7: of dried blood. It's one of the most contentious borders 173 00:12:53,160 --> 00:12:56,960 Speaker 7: anywhere in the world. Right now, on the Tijuana side 174 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,280 Speaker 7: of the wall, a dusty suburb is made of houses, 175 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:03,040 Speaker 7: some of them only shacks made of wood and concrete. 176 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 7: On the other side are broad roads and luxury shopping 177 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 7: centers in the US city of San Diego. The wall 178 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 7: exists to prevent the illegal movement of goods and people 179 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 7: between the two countries, which is why it represents a 180 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 7: crucial barrier in the cocaine business between Latin America where 181 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:24,439 Speaker 7: the cocaine is produced and those richer countries where the 182 00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 7: drog can be solved for vast profits. Meaning to someone 183 00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 7: in the cocaine business, this wall doesn't present a problem 184 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 7: so much as an opportunity. Looking up, it seems like 185 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,760 Speaker 7: nothing could get through the wall or over the top 186 00:13:38,800 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 7: of it, which is why I'm going to go underneath it. 187 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:45,559 Speaker 9: They put it like timbers. 188 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 7: Are they good engineers? Are they well built tunnels? 189 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:50,440 Speaker 9: Or do they collapse. 190 00:13:51,760 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 7: I'm in a small restaurant serving fish tacos, and I'm 191 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,160 Speaker 7: told they have a really good spicy soup. It's not 192 00:13:58,200 --> 00:14:01,120 Speaker 7: really my go to meal, but it was really good. 193 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 7: It's here that I met an engineer from the Mexican 194 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:07,160 Speaker 7: Criminal Investigation Agency, and I can't tell you his name 195 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 7: in order to protect him. He reaches out and takes 196 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 7: a paper napkin from the restaurant table. He starts sketching 197 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 7: the diagram of tunnels that he says go under the 198 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 7: wall on that US border. He's an expert on these tunnels. 199 00:14:21,560 --> 00:14:23,840 Speaker 7: It's his job to find them and shut them down, 200 00:14:24,960 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 7: and that makes him a target. So they don't just 201 00:14:29,640 --> 00:14:32,560 Speaker 7: dig it in They do it in a building, down 202 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 7: through a building, and then we're speaking to a translator, 203 00:14:38,880 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 7: so one building in Mexico to one building in the US. 204 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:47,600 Speaker 7: Dozens of these tunnels have been discovered in recent years. 205 00:14:48,600 --> 00:14:50,440 Speaker 7: While it used to be the Colombians who dominated the 206 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 7: cocaine business, nowadays it's the Mexican cartels that are the 207 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:59,400 Speaker 7: big players. At the port of Cardagenia, a quilo of 208 00:14:59,400 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 7: cocaine my be worth around twelve hundred US dollars wholesale 209 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 7: in Mexico, that value can be ten times higher. Get 210 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 7: that killer of cocaine across the border to the US, 211 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 7: and its value doubles again. We finish our tacos and 212 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 7: head outside. The engineer tells me tens of thousands of cars, 213 00:15:19,960 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 7: trucks and people cross between Tijuana and San Diego each day, 214 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 7: but all of them can be stopped and searched by 215 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 7: authorities at the border. We walk up to the lock 216 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 7: gates of what looks like an abandoned warehouse within sight 217 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 7: of the border wall. The engineer's colleagues from the Mexican 218 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 7: Criminal Investigation Agency are waiting. They're dressed in black, they're 219 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 7: wearing masks and carrying automatic rifles. One takes a pair 220 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 7: of bolt cutters to the padlock guns raised. The police 221 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 7: go down into the basement of the warehouse. We go 222 00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 7: into the bathroom where next to a toilet cubicle, a 223 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 7: hole has been smashed into the floor. It's maybe a 224 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 7: meter wide. The police go down into the darkness and 225 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:07,800 Speaker 7: I follow. 226 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:12,080 Speaker 8: So here we can see one of the chambers where 227 00:16:12,120 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 8: we can see the dorms, and part of the area 228 00:16:15,240 --> 00:16:20,880 Speaker 8: where they had all the tools. In the front, we 229 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 8: can see their rule where they say all the cleaning. 230 00:16:27,520 --> 00:16:37,440 Speaker 6: Products this property, and then it's connecting to the other 231 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 6: property on the site. 232 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,200 Speaker 7: These tunnels of vital assets for the cartels. They're precious. 233 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 7: They can take months to build by gang members who 234 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 7: live down here in the dark and dirt all throughout 235 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,880 Speaker 7: that time. It's dangerous and dirty work. They're forced to 236 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:59,560 Speaker 7: do it. They've made an error and this is their punishment. 237 00:17:00,280 --> 00:17:03,080 Speaker 7: Or if I don't dig these tunnels, their family will 238 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 7: be killed. 239 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:10,360 Speaker 8: We have the border lane which connects them to the US. 240 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 7: The engineer tells me how the tunnels work. The entries 241 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 7: are hidden in buildings controlled by the cast holes, often 242 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 7: their warehouses, but really any building near the border can 243 00:17:21,440 --> 00:17:24,880 Speaker 7: be used. Cocaine is carried through the tunnels and emerges 244 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,400 Speaker 7: through the floor of a building on the other side 245 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 7: of the wall. In San Diego, California. There are no 246 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 7: customs checks down here. It's a short journey. Even the 247 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 7: longest tunnel ever discovered was a little over a kilometer. 248 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 7: On the Mexican side, Tunnel entrances are found everywhere. There 249 00:17:42,560 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 7: was even one across the road from the main station 250 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:48,439 Speaker 7: of the country's police force, the National Guard. The tunnel 251 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 7: went right under their feet. 252 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 3: And then when you go into the warehouse, then you'll 253 00:17:54,800 --> 00:18:01,399 Speaker 3: find the property on the other side. In the US, what. 254 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 8: Looks it looks like we might be able to boy in, but. 255 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,159 Speaker 7: We walk into a long, low corridor. The floor is black, 256 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:16,760 Speaker 7: muddy dirt, and on our left, cut into the foundations 257 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 7: of the building is an entrance. 258 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 9: I'm down here in a Narco tunnel, or about eighty 259 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,880 Speaker 9: minutes from the Mexican border, and to be honest, it's 260 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 9: just quite frightening. There's some timber that's been put in 261 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:33,880 Speaker 9: here to try and reinforce the tunnel, but it's wet, 262 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 9: it's molder. You can actually feel the moisture on the timber. 263 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,959 Speaker 9: As you're walking around, it's really really dark. We've got 264 00:18:39,960 --> 00:18:42,560 Speaker 9: some torches here and they're doing a bit, but not 265 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 9: that much. I've no idea how someone to live down here. 266 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 9: The air like. I'm actually trying to sucking air because 267 00:18:48,600 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 9: it's just really think there's not much oxygen. They have 268 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 9: sort of extractor fans that they use to try and 269 00:18:54,480 --> 00:18:55,400 Speaker 9: get air into it. 270 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:57,360 Speaker 7: I'm actually trying to struggling to breathe here. 271 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 9: They've got to risk their lives every time they go 272 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 9: through the tunnel in case it collapses. It's just extreme 273 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 9: the lengths that people will go to to sell drugs. 274 00:19:13,920 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 7: Climbing out of the tunnel, I'm covered in mud and dirt. 275 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:21,200 Speaker 7: It's a relief to see the light again. The engineer 276 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:23,920 Speaker 7: I met in the Fish Taco restaurant and the translator 277 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,879 Speaker 7: walk out with me. They tell me the border is 278 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:31,000 Speaker 7: riddled with these tunnels. No one knows how many. Over 279 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 7: the years, dozens have been discovered by authorities, but given 280 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 7: the border itself stretches for over three thousand kilometers, there 281 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 7: must be others down there. Later, after we've cleaned ourselves up, 282 00:19:45,040 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 7: the translator and I set out to find out more. 283 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:53,760 Speaker 1: Felipe my name is Phelipe. 284 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 7: Felipe is the head of Mexico's criminal investigation agency. He's 285 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 7: a broad man, square shouldered, the side party and black 286 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:10,879 Speaker 7: classes wearing a dark suit. He looks more like a 287 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:14,320 Speaker 7: bank executive than a policeman, the kind of person you 288 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:17,399 Speaker 7: could do business with. I asked him to tell me 289 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:18,480 Speaker 7: about the drug cartels. 290 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:25,040 Speaker 3: They have involved a lot. Our main client or customer 291 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,680 Speaker 3: would be the US. We know and we have the 292 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 3: evidence that there are lots of presence of Mexican cartails 293 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:42,040 Speaker 3: in Europe, in Alexandro and other countries abroad. There are lots. 294 00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:48,280 Speaker 10: Of criminal organizations that come here to do some tourist 295 00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,119 Speaker 10: activities to try to obtain contacts. 296 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 3: They don't really operate in Mexico because the cartoons in 297 00:20:57,200 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 3: Mexico they have a really good control of all the activities. 298 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 3: Is that they're on their teach. However, there are clients. 299 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,800 Speaker 3: They don't look like they're criminals. There are just sending 300 00:21:09,880 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 3: messages across different places. 301 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 7: So the broker in deals, they are arranging shipments here 302 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 7: to buy from the cartels. 303 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: Yes, that's correct. 304 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:24,240 Speaker 7: The cartails are building business relationships with organized crime in China, 305 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 7: Southeast Asia. The Middle East and Europe anywhere you can 306 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 7: get a cargo ship or a plane to another. Way 307 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,960 Speaker 7: they are changing is through what other businesses would call diversification. 308 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 7: For the cartails, this has meant new product lines expanding 309 00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 7: into other addictive legal and illegal drugs like methanphetamine and fentanyl, 310 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:46,880 Speaker 7: a prescription opioid. 311 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,560 Speaker 3: It is profitable because it's just a business. 312 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 7: In terms of the business operation. While cocaine has smuggled 313 00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 7: through the tunnels heading north, I'd also heard about guns 314 00:21:59,080 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 7: from the US on any other direction. I asked Felipe 315 00:22:03,400 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 7: about it. 316 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: That's our main concern because we verified that after three 317 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 3: or four days that someone purchased a weapon in Texas. 318 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 3: We have it here in Mexico and you only need 319 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:30,879 Speaker 3: to have triber license in the US to be able 320 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 3: to buy a gun. 321 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,680 Speaker 7: Those high colorable weapons brought in from Texas have made 322 00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 7: Mexico quite simply frightening. The power of those guns make 323 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:44,080 Speaker 7: murder easy. 324 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: Organization analysis the problems. 325 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:53,880 Speaker 3: Between the different cartails. I normally they solved that through 326 00:22:55,960 --> 00:23:01,000 Speaker 3: killing people, and unfortunately we have lots of corpse and 327 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:07,280 Speaker 3: we have not been able to identify most people belong 328 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:12,040 Speaker 3: to that, and there are lots of clandestine grapes. 329 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 7: The wayfully Paid describes it, the Mexican place sometimes struggle 330 00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 7: to find, identify, or't even count the tens of thousands 331 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 7: of Mexicans every year who were killed in drug related murders. 332 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,040 Speaker 7: As an outsider visiting his country, it's hard to come 333 00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 7: to terms with that fact. But also as an outsider, 334 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 7: it's easy to think of it as a Mexican problem, 335 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,080 Speaker 7: something caused by the fact the world supply of cocaine 336 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 7: comes from here and from nearby countries. 337 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:51,240 Speaker 3: It's difficult to combat such a serious crime, and Mexico 338 00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 3: alone cannot do it. So we need to work together 339 00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 3: to find out the routes and different information about all 340 00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: this criminals activities. 341 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:07,440 Speaker 7: Felipe says, Mexico can't do this alone. They need other 342 00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 7: countries to help them, not just the US where cocaine 343 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 7: is smuggled under the border in those tunnels much further afield. 344 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,959 Speaker 7: I'm thinking about that eight hundred kilo hall of cocaine 345 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 7: seized by police in Cartagena at the start of this episode. 346 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 7: For centuries, ships have come to ports like Cartagena and 347 00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:33,119 Speaker 7: others across Latin America and loaded up with commodities like gold, 348 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 7: sugar or coffee before transporting them to where they could 349 00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 7: make much more profit. Today, the same thing happened with cocaine. 350 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 7: To really understand that global business, we want to follow 351 00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 7: this trade and that's going to take us on the 352 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,720 Speaker 7: next part of our journey away from the US Mexico 353 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 7: border to another lucrative market, one that's over five thousand 354 00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:05,480 Speaker 7: miles away across the Atlantic Ocean to Europe. It's here 355 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 7: I'll hand the story over at Fiona Hamilton, the chief 356 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:16,640 Speaker 7: reporter on The Times who started this episode. 357 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:21,000 Speaker 4: This is Amsterdam, the capital of the Netherlands. I've just 358 00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 4: got off the train. It's drizzling, it's gray, it's a 359 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:27,320 Speaker 4: little bit drab and cold, but it takes just a 360 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 4: few minutes to walk over a busy intersection of trams 361 00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:34,160 Speaker 4: and cyclists to reach the beautiful central area, the famous 362 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 4: network of canals lined by old terraced houses and cobbled streets. 363 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,560 Speaker 4: I'm here though, because in recent years the Netherlands has 364 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,600 Speaker 4: become a key distribution hub for the international cocaine business. 365 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,119 Speaker 1: I used to work in a coffee shop in the 366 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: Red Light district and there were people talking about what 367 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: was going on in the marijuana and I find that 368 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: quite fascinating because it's like a shadow economy where a 369 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:10,320 Speaker 1: lot is going on which normal public will never see. 370 00:26:11,320 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: This is Valutllowman's I'm working for the Dutch newspaper her 371 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 4: Baro and I'm covering the crime beat and I'm writing 372 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 4: about organized crime. Wuta has spent fifteen years reporting on 373 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,879 Speaker 4: the drugs business. He says the Netherlands has a unique 374 00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 4: position in the global cocaine supply market. 375 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: In my opinion, it's stupid to look at cocaine trade 376 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: on a national level because this is an international trade. 377 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: It's just a commodity that has to go from A 378 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: to B. 379 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 2: Actually it works like regular trade, but it has a 380 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:53,040 Speaker 2: dark side to it as well. 381 00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:57,439 Speaker 1: Somewhere in the noughties cocaine lords from South America started 382 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: to target European market. What they did was they shipped 383 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:09,120 Speaker 1: it to West Africa, then they would move it over Morocco. 384 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: They were smuggling hashis into Europe and they were using 385 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: those old lines to smuggle cocaine into Europe. And who 386 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 1: were involved in this young Moroccan guys who had family 387 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,320 Speaker 1: in the Netherlands, and they worked together with local guys 388 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,000 Speaker 1: and after a while they decided, okay, so let's shortened 389 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:32,159 Speaker 1: the line. So if we could get it directly to 390 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: Antwerp or to Rotterdam, it's easier for us cheaper as 391 00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: well because we have to bribe less people. So that's 392 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 1: when they started to shift the lines from Africa towards 393 00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 1: Rotterdam and Antwerp. 394 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 4: Those two ports, Rotterdam and the Netherlands, where almost half 395 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,960 Speaker 4: a billion tons of goods moved through each year, and 396 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 4: Antwerp in Belgium are the biggest in Europe. They sit 397 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 4: in a huge river delta that connects the North Sea 398 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 4: to multiple European countries. 399 00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: Most of the cocaine that get smuggled through the ports 400 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: of Rotterdam and Antwerp is used for the foreign markets, 401 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 1: so it's actually like a transfer hub for European cocaine. 402 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:20,120 Speaker 1: That's the way she look at it. England's always been 403 00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: one of the biggest drugs markets from the Netlands. The 404 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,959 Speaker 1: bulk of cocaine that comes through the Netlands will go 405 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 1: to England. What has been happening since twenty twelve is 406 00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:35,600 Speaker 1: that we saw the rise of a new generation of 407 00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: criminals and that was first established in Amsterdam where we 408 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: had like a double murder. Two young boys got shocked 409 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,360 Speaker 1: to pieces with AK forty sevens. 410 00:28:47,680 --> 00:28:50,480 Speaker 4: The victims were aged just twenty one and twenty eight. 411 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 4: And we're gone down in a drive by shooting on 412 00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,840 Speaker 4: New Year's Eve after a shipment of cocaine went missing. 413 00:28:57,160 --> 00:29:00,160 Speaker 4: The likely target of the attack was another man, a 414 00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: suspected gang boss. The murders happened in front of family homes. 415 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 4: The next day, the city's mayor called Amsterdam quote the 416 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 4: wild West. 417 00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:15,080 Speaker 1: There have always been murders in the underworld, but the 418 00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: level of violence that was something new and what happened 419 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: was from twenty thirteen to two thy and sixteen, there 420 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,720 Speaker 1: were a lot of murders. We saw a severed head 421 00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 1: being put in front of a coffee shop in Amslam, 422 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Speaker 1: and we have a lot of explosions nowadays. You've got 423 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,200 Speaker 1: bombs being put in front of people's houses and stuff 424 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: like that. All these things were like unheard of before 425 00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,520 Speaker 1: in the Nelans. 426 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:51,200 Speaker 4: So why is the cocaine business so violent? Yes, the 427 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 4: answer is partly money. People will do a lot of 428 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,560 Speaker 4: things to make themselves rich, especially without sixty four million 429 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:02,240 Speaker 4: percent markup. But it's also because the cocaine industry is illegal, 430 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 4: meaning it's not regulated. If you're a drug boss who 431 00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 4: has a problem with arrival, there's no competition and market 432 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 4: authority you can turn to. There's no watchdog or civil 433 00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 4: court to decide your dispute, so you turn to violence. 434 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: The kind of violence we once associated with places like 435 00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 4: Columbia and Mexico is now on the streets of Europe. 436 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,800 Speaker 4: In this way, the cocaine trade actually changes the countries 437 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 4: in which it takes place. 438 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,680 Speaker 7: It corrupts them corruption. 439 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, the best way to get cocaine into a 440 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360 Speaker 1: country is if you have corrupt guys at customs. 441 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 4: I want to look more closely at that part of 442 00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 4: this multinational business. So my next stop is Rotterdam, one 443 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,959 Speaker 4: of the biggest ports in Europe, struggling to keep the 444 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 4: cartels at bay. 445 00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,320 Speaker 7: We have a big problem in the port of Rotterdam 446 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 7: with cocaine. Are you trustworthy or are you also corrupt? 447 00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560 Speaker 7: Be mentored to customs and be important. 448 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 4: To contain it for him, And from that moment you were. 449 00:31:14,520 --> 00:31:17,320 Speaker 7: In and from that moment I was in Yep. 450 00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 4: And I go to the scene where one of the 451 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 4: Netherlands drug bosses had something planned for his rivals that 452 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 4: could have come straight out of a horror film. 453 00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: The cameras it's too dangerous. 454 00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 4: You're worried, it's too dangerous to get out. Are you 455 00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 4: worried about my safety? 456 00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:40,200 Speaker 7: Of course you are my guest. 457 00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 4: That's next time on Cocaine Inc. 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