Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
Speaker 2: This is Sharry Good evening. Welcome man.
Speaker 3: Let the celebrations begin as Anti Israel Green's leader Adam
Speaker 3: band is punished by voters and looks set to lose
Speaker 3: his seat.
Speaker 2: Well my thoughts on this in a moment.
Speaker 3: Also tonight, the letter Nick mackenzie sent a key witness
Speaker 3: in the Ben Robert Smith trial saying she was causing
Speaker 3: him anxiety. The ninebod have still not broken their silence
Speaker 3: on seven hundred thousand dollars in hush money. Cheng Lei,
Speaker 3: for the first time is telling the full story of
Speaker 3: her incarceration.
Speaker 2: She'll join me live tonight on the show.
Speaker 3: Israel reportedly approves plans to seize the terror controlled Gaza Strip.
Speaker 3: Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharen Haskell will be here with
Speaker 3: an exclusive interview later and we'll cross live to the
Speaker 3: Vatican the moment we hear news about the vote for
Speaker 3: the next quote. But first, well, let's start the show
Speaker 3: with this good news. And are we all popping the
Speaker 3: champagne tonight having a drink to celebrate, because it looks
Speaker 3: like Adam Bant is out of politics, the leader of
Speaker 3: the most vile Anti Israel party who made Jewish Australians
Speaker 3: feel like they didn't have a place.
Speaker 2: In this country.
Speaker 3: And now, if Sky News chief election analyst Tom Connell
Speaker 3: is right, Adam Bant has lost his job. Here was
Speaker 3: Tom making that decision desk call this afternoon.
Speaker 4: What would he need in the remaining absent votes to
Speaker 4: be able to win sixty three percent? That is just
Speaker 4: far too high in our performance from everything else that
Speaker 4: has happened in this election. So we're assuming lots of
Speaker 4: positives for ban from here and he still would need
Speaker 4: sixty three percent. So given that I know there's plenty
Speaker 4: of vote left, we are now saying a Labour Party
Speaker 4: will pick up the seed of Melbourne and Adam Bant,
Speaker 4: the Green's leader, will lose the seat of Melbourne.
Speaker 3: And to that, I say bye Bye Bant, goodbye to
Speaker 3: your divisive brand of politics. To the fact that while
Speaker 3: your fellow Australians Jews were being harassed, targeted, doxed and threatened,
Speaker 3: while our community had our property vandalized and firebombed, while
Speaker 3: we were living in daily fear, you continued to antagonize us.
Speaker 3: You supported a boycott, divestment and sanctions movement against Israel.
Speaker 3: You wrongly claimed there was a genocide in Gaza when
Speaker 3: the only people who had a clear plan for genocide
Speaker 3: was Hermus, who wanted to wipe out every Jew on
Speaker 3: this earth, emission that her must began when it massacred
Speaker 3: Israeli's on October seven. Instead of campaigning for the release
Speaker 3: of the hostages, you campaigned for an end to the
Speaker 3: Jewish state. And here were some of your despicable comics.
Speaker 5: It's calling for an end to the invasion of Gaza,
Speaker 5: putting sanctions on this extreme war cabinet of Benjamin Etna
Speaker 5: who that is subject to orders to stop genocide, ending
Speaker 5: the military trade with Israel, and expelling the Israeli ambassador.
Speaker 5: We want to see an end to the invasion of
Speaker 5: Gaza and an end to the occupation. Children are now
Speaker 5: dying because they can't get enough to eat or drink
Speaker 5: as part of a human engineered famine, human engineered by
Speaker 5: the Israeli military. There will not be a just and
Speaker 5: lasting peace in the region until the occupation of Palestine ms.
Speaker 3: And now he's been voted out, and so for this
Speaker 3: reason tonight we do have a reason to smile. Australians
Speaker 3: have rejected the antagonism by the Greens leader of our community,
Speaker 3: because that is what the Greens Party came to stand for.
Speaker 3: It was a pro Palestinian party, not an environmental one. Now,
Speaker 3: news of Bound's departure was celebrated by Pauline Hanson this afternoon, just.
Speaker 2: Quietly between you and I.
Speaker 3: I was getting ready to come on your program when
Speaker 3: I heard the news, and I couldn't help it.
Speaker 2: I did a dance around the house with my brather
Speaker 2: and nickers, and I had to have a gin and tonic.
Speaker 6: So I am so excited.
Speaker 2: That's the best news I've heard.
Speaker 3: I'm sure she wasn't the only one dancing around in
Speaker 3: her Undy's celebrating when the news came through. Or the
Speaker 3: nightly front page sums it up well by saying from
Speaker 3: the Yarra to the seer and rich. I also put
Speaker 3: it well on this program last night when he said
Speaker 3: there would be many a dry eye to see band
Speaker 3: leave parliament.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you what the driest of all is
Speaker 2: right here.
Speaker 3: So let's toast there's one piece of good news, and
Speaker 3: let's say good riddance to bad rubbish. Now, in other
Speaker 3: good news, tell Zoe Daniel is officially out of the
Speaker 3: parliament with Liberal Tim Wilson today reclaiming the seat of Goldstein.
Speaker 7: I'm very proud, genuinely, very proud to say that we
Speaker 7: are pleased to accept that we have won the seat
Speaker 7: of Goldstein back for the Liberal Code.
Speaker 3: Well, quite strangely, Zoey Daniel put out a post refusing
Speaker 3: to concede. She said, while the media has called the
Speaker 3: result in Goldstein, I will wait for further counting out
Speaker 3: of respect for my scrutineers and the democratic process. Although
Speaker 3: she didn't have a problem waiting on Saturday night when
Speaker 3: she began her victory celebration, and now she can dance
Speaker 3: off into the sunset.
Speaker 2: He can't see enough of that clip.
Speaker 3: And now Tim Wilson isn't ruling out a tilt at
Speaker 3: the leadership. Are the leading contenders emerging as Susan Lay
Speaker 3: and Angus Taylor. Fellow moderate Jason Felinsky has backed Tim
Speaker 3: Wilson in as a leadership contender as members argue over
Speaker 3: whether the Liberal Party should be more conservative or centrist.
Speaker 8: He is the first and only person in Australian political
Speaker 8: history to win a seatback from an Independent to win
Speaker 8: a seatback from an Independent at the next election. What
Speaker 8: he has managed to do is incredibly significant. He represents
Speaker 8: the people whose votes we need to get back.
Speaker 2: Should he and will he run full leader?
Speaker 8: Well, I don't want to spoil it. I hope he does,
Speaker 8: but I'll be churning in at eleven to find out.
Speaker 6: Amazing Liberal leadership.
Speaker 8: Do you have any aspirations for it out?
Speaker 7: Well today I had aspirations for one thing, and it
Speaker 7: was to have the great privilege and service to be
Speaker 7: the member for Goldstein again.
Speaker 9: And of course we have lived out that promise.
Speaker 3: And of course what Jason Vielinski said wasn't quite true
Speaker 3: there because Dave Sharma did win the seat of Wentworth
Speaker 3: from Independent Karen Phelps and then Sharma lost it to
Speaker 3: Allegraspender and Dave Sharma's going to be on the show tonight.
Speaker 2: By the way. Now there's also a view that.
Speaker 3: Just sent a number Jim for Price needs to find
Speaker 3: a way to move to the Lower House to be
Speaker 3: in a position to run for the leadership. And Ray
Speaker 3: Hadley said here last night that she's clearly the most
Speaker 3: talented with a strong ability to connect with voters.
Speaker 10: I think the next Liberal National Party Prime Minister is
Speaker 10: not in the Lower House at the moment. They're not
Speaker 10: in the Lower House, but they are certainly in the Senate,
Speaker 10: but they've got to make their way to the lower
Speaker 10: House to be elevated.
Speaker 2: To that position. Just enterprise this.
Speaker 10: Well, she knows.
Speaker 4: I love her.
Speaker 10: I really think she's a great Australian and I really
Speaker 10: think that we need someone to stand up and take
Speaker 10: us forward, and she'd be the person if she could
Speaker 10: get to the Lower House that could do it.
Speaker 3: One things for shod It's going to be a long
Speaker 3: period in the wilderness for the Liberal Party. But til
Speaker 3: Zoe Daniel wasn't the only Teale who celebrated prematurely. Minnick
Speaker 3: Ryan and Nicolette Buell's seats are also now in doubt,
Speaker 3: with counting ongoing, and in total, they're still around a
Speaker 3: dozen or so seats that the Australian Electoral Commissions say
Speaker 3: are too close to call now. In Bradfield, Liberal Giselle
Speaker 3: Capterian is a head of Nicolette Buell by about two
Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen votes. In Kouyong, Emilia Hamer is just
Speaker 3: seven hundred and twenty three votes behind Minique Ryan, and
Speaker 3: Heyme is sitting on forty four percent of the primary vote.
Speaker 2: I think this is extraordinary.
Speaker 3: While Ryan has only about thirty four percent of the
Speaker 3: primary vote, but then of course she's receiving preferences from Labor,
Speaker 3: Greens and the other parties. Now in the new Wa
Speaker 3: seat of Bullwinkle, Labour's Trish Cook is ninety votes ahead
Speaker 3: of Liberal candidate Matt Morin. Other undecided seats include Bendigo
Speaker 3: being in the Act and Fremantle. The seat of Ryan
Speaker 3: is also too close to call. So depending on how
Speaker 3: the rest of the counting goes, you could be looking
Speaker 3: at a situation where the Greens are wiped out with
Speaker 3: no Lower House seats at all. Now, their Senate representation
Speaker 3: is just as strong as it was before, and they
Speaker 3: could hold the balance of power on the Senate. The
Speaker 3: reality is Label will need to rely on either the
Speaker 3: Greens or the Coalition to get legislation passed. Now in
Speaker 3: seats like cou Yong and Goldstein, there's no question the
Speaker 3: Jewish vote would have bolstered the chances of the Liberal candidate.
Speaker 3: So the counting continues, yes, taking its time, but there's
Speaker 3: certainly strong hope the Greens leader Adam Band will be
Speaker 3: gone from our political scene, and if so, it will
Speaker 3: be down to his hostile position towards Israel and the
Speaker 3: Jewish community, and that should be a lesson for Labor
Speaker 3: that a political party has basically been annihilated in the
Speaker 3: Lower House, has been severely punished by voters for blatant
Speaker 3: anti Semitism. Now, before we bring in Michael Kroger and
Speaker 3: Steve Price to celebrate the demise of the Greens, let's
Speaker 3: get an update to our ongoing investigation into Nine's treatment
Speaker 3: of Ben Robert Smith. As we've been reporting, Nine paid
Speaker 3: seven hundred thousand dollars hush money to silence a witness
Speaker 3: who threatened to telecourt judge that the media company had
Speaker 3: been given unauthorized access to Ben Roberts Smith's emails during
Speaker 3: the war crimes trial. Well, tonight I can reveal that
Speaker 3: reported Nick Mackenzie told this witness that she was causing
Speaker 3: him anxiety and he said he.
Speaker 2: Had to cut her off.
Speaker 3: This is a woman nineclaimed had been a victim of
Speaker 3: domestic violence, and they pressed her to testify for them
Speaker 3: against Robert Smith. Now, in a formal letter that we've obtained,
Speaker 3: Mackenzie said he wasn't trying a victim blame, but said
Speaker 3: that her trauma had caused him anxiety. He wrote, I
Speaker 3: also want to explain why I no longer have contact
Speaker 3: with you due to the deep distress you suffered. You
Speaker 3: contacted me very often for a long time. I saw
Speaker 3: it as my job to try to manage your stress
Speaker 3: and trauma.
Speaker 2: It was very challenging.
Speaker 3: There were times I was so worried I notified your
Speaker 3: husband of concerns you might self harm. In time, I
Speaker 3: began to seek help about how to manage dealing with
Speaker 3: a victim survivor.
Speaker 2: I'm not blaming you for a moment.
Speaker 3: I'm just explaining that it began to take a significant
Speaker 3: toll on me. And Mackenzie said that his employers had
Speaker 3: instructed him to stop any contact with the woman, who
Speaker 3: nine had pressured to give testimony against Robert Smith.
Speaker 2: He wrote, prior.
Speaker 3: To our last contact, I had a meeting with my
Speaker 3: senior bosses. I was instructed to cease contact. This is
Speaker 3: the reason why I ceased contact. I'm not justifying it.
Speaker 3: I'm just explaining.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 3: In her unfiled statement of claim, the woman said that
Speaker 3: she told Nick mackenzie in a phone conversation in September
Speaker 3: twenty eighteen that she didn't want to be a witness
Speaker 3: in the defamation proceeding. She sought assurances, which she says
Speaker 3: Mackenzie gave that none of the materials she'd previously provided
Speaker 3: to Nine would be used in any defamation proceedings. The
Speaker 3: woman asked whether Mackenzie could get guarantee the truth of this,
Speaker 3: given he wasn't a member of the Fairfax Board, and
Speaker 3: Mackenzie allegedly responded by.
Speaker 2: Saying I am Fairfax.
Speaker 3: After much convincing, eventually the woman did provide a written
Speaker 3: statement for use in the proceedings after her identity was suppressed.
Speaker 3: But by April twenty nineteen, the woman says that she
Speaker 3: was having suicidal thoughts as a result of her involvement
Speaker 3: in the defamation proceeding. She was suffering severe psychological distress
Speaker 3: as a result of it. The way Nine treated this
Speaker 3: woman as part of the reason they paid her seven
Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars, along with the fact she threatened to
Speaker 3: tell the court judge that Nine had been given access
Speaker 3: to Robert Smith's emails by his wife, Emma Roberts and
Speaker 3: her friend Danielle Scott, and she wrote to nine executives
Speaker 3: Tory Maguire and legal counsel Lorena Alec in March twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three, saying I also know these women were passing
Speaker 3: on confidential and privileged information to Nick as far back
Speaker 3: as mid to late twenty twenty. What are you going
Speaker 3: to do when all of that comes out to the judge?
Speaker 3: Now that seven hundred thousand dollars payment with the requirement
Speaker 3: of an NDA was made in January twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: not long before Ben Roberts Smith's appeal against Nine began,
Speaker 3: and his lawyers told me yesterday that had they known
Speaker 3: about this woman's claims and the audio recording, it would
Speaker 3: have formed part of the substantive two week appeal heard
Speaker 3: before the Full Court in February twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2: Just a month after the payment was made.
Speaker 3: The Nine board remains under pressure now over who authorized
Speaker 3: this hush money.
Speaker 11: So far, the chair of the nation's biggest media company,
Speaker 11: Nine Entertainments, Catherine Whize, continues to dodge the media.
Speaker 10: Did you sign off on the seven one hundred thousand
Speaker 10: hush money payments?
Speaker 11: And it's clear now silence is nine strategy Today. We
Speaker 11: asked every Nine board member a series of key questions.
Speaker 11: Were you aware that Nine intended to make a seven
Speaker 11: hundred thousand dollar payment to prevent a key witness from
Speaker 11: going public with allegations against Nick Mackenzie in the Ben
Speaker 11: Robert Smith defamation case. Without reply, Have you signed off
Speaker 11: on or been made aware of any similar payments made
Speaker 11: to silence individuals connected to the Ben Robert Smith proceedings? Again? Nothing?
Speaker 11: And finally, do you retain confidence in chair Katherine West?
Speaker 11: Still only silence?
Speaker 3: The nine board down company have also declined to answer
Speaker 3: our questions this week, and in an act of gross
Speaker 3: hypocrisy for a media company, nine is using bullish legal
Speaker 3: threats to try to shut down reporting from other media outlets.
Speaker 3: It seems nine newspapers believe in scrutiny of every other
Speaker 3: facet of public life, but object when the spotlight is
Speaker 3: turned on their own conduct and a seven hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars hush money payment to silence a witness right before
Speaker 3: an appeal is set to begin is utterly staggering conduct
Speaker 3: that demands a full explanation. All right, let's bring in
Speaker 3: our panel tonight, former Victorian Liberal Party president Michael Kroger
Speaker 3: and Sky News host Steve Price.
Speaker 2: Great to see you both.
Speaker 3: Michael, I want to turn to the outcome of Goldstein,
Speaker 3: and it seems in Melbourne with Adam Bannt these are
Speaker 3: important victories.
Speaker 12: Important and stunning. Quite frankly, I cannot tell you how
Speaker 12: much admiration people have for Wilson having one vack Goldstein.
Speaker 12: I mean that guy has apart from all the other
Speaker 12: qual is the courage Tim Wilson showed is jobs making.
Speaker 12: It's breathtaking and I wish him well for a longer
Speaker 12: distinguished career in Parliament to add to his distinguished career already.
Speaker 12: He'll make a great contribution. And you saw how good
Speaker 12: he is today that interview. As for Adam bant Shhi,
Speaker 12: what can we say? There is a God for all
Speaker 12: those were in doubt, there is a god. This guy
Speaker 12: is responsible for the greatest breakdown in social cohesion that
Speaker 12: I've witnessed in my lifetime, for all the reasons that
Speaker 12: we know. The job now is to go forward and
Speaker 12: one by one try and defeat these Green senators by
Speaker 12: one by one over the next few years by explaining
Speaker 12: to Green voters why they shouldn't be supporting a party
Speaker 12: which stirred up so much Rachel hatred against the Jewish population.
Speaker 12: That meant, and we've seen everything that happened. But where
Speaker 12: a Jewish school needs at armed guard, doesn't it teach
Speaker 12: you something about our society? And we read that one
Speaker 12: of the potential coundidates for the leadership of the Greens
Speaker 12: is more In Feruki, a woman who wouldn't condemn Hamas.
Speaker 12: So what are you saying to Jewish Australians when your
Speaker 12: deputy leader and potential leader is someone who won't condemn
Speaker 12: condemn those that slipped the throats and murdered Jews in
Speaker 12: Israel on October seven? Shame on you, Feruki, Shame on Band,
Speaker 12: and congratulations to the people of Melbourne. I must say
Speaker 12: Adam Band has not yet conceded if he's relying on
Speaker 12: absent te votes. Adam, my absent te vote is one
Speaker 12: of those that hasn't been counted yet. And I'm happy
Speaker 12: to tell you mate, you were last on my hat
Speaker 12: a vote.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, good to hear that. I wouldn't have expected
Speaker 2: anything else.
Speaker 3: I mean, Steve Price, you know, it wasn't that long ago,
Speaker 3: maybe five or six years ago, when I used to
Speaker 3: have Sarah Hanson, young on Guy and us as a
Speaker 3: guest on a panel. But there's no way we would
Speaker 3: have any of the Greens on now, unless it's to
Speaker 3: point out how ludicrous they are because all of them
Speaker 3: hold this out to Israel position. I mean they used
Speaker 3: to be an environmental party, Steve.
Speaker 2: They need to get back to that.
Speaker 9: Well, that's the point, Jarry, and I endorse everything Michael
Speaker 9: just said. The Greens have become a hard left socialist
Speaker 9: activist party. That they sponsored all of those pro Palestinian
Speaker 9: marches that went on week after week after week in Melbourne.
Speaker 6: They're still held from time to time.
Speaker 9: And Adam Bant, I mean the smug look on his face,
Speaker 9: the fact that he always thought he was the smartest
Speaker 9: bloke in the room and he knew exactly where he
Speaker 9: should take The Greens Party of Australia. Who has destroyed
Speaker 9: it because it's not the party Bob Brown started. It's
Speaker 9: not the party that saved the Franklin. It's not the
Speaker 9: party that cares about trees. It's a party that managed
Speaker 9: to endorse, incredibly, horribly the worst outbreak of Andy Symmitism
Speaker 9: this country. He's ever seen. Siddence to the bloke and
Speaker 9: maybe he will wake up, you know tomorrow and realize
Speaker 9: that you know, sharing a DJ disk in the revs
Speaker 9: nightclub in Chapel Street with sex toy flogger. Abby Chatfield
Speaker 9: was probably not such a great idea after all, because
Speaker 9: the Green voters have turned on him because of the
Speaker 9: anti semitism.
Speaker 3: Although don't forget Alban easy when on Abby Chatfield's program
Speaker 3: with podcasts as well, for anyone at home, he doesn't
Speaker 3: know who she is, you're not missing anything. But she's
Speaker 3: a podcaster who famously said she wouldn't have any Zionists
Speaker 3: on her show. But on TikTok and social media she
Speaker 3: was heavily endorsing the Greens. And actually there was even
Speaker 3: a funny clip today where she refused to concede that
Speaker 3: the Greens had done badly. I mean, these people are
Speaker 3: living in just fantasy land, Michael, I want to ask
Speaker 3: you now.
Speaker 9: Share Well, she probably can't.
Speaker 2: Add up exactly. They need math letters as well.
Speaker 12: I'm going to say, Sharry, we also should remember this
Speaker 12: about Bant. This fellow band was an admirer of Leon
Speaker 12: Trotsky when he was at university. So to accept and
Speaker 12: endorse Steve's point, this is not an environmental party is
Speaker 12: this is an extremist cult these days, And let's not
Speaker 12: forget Ban. Let's not forget that. Forget that band described
Speaker 12: Albanesi as a war criminal. I mean he said, Albanesi,
Speaker 12: the Labor government is complicit in genocide, right, Genocide's a
Speaker 12: war crimes. He's accused Anthony Alberanesi of presiding over a
Speaker 12: government that engages in supports genocide. I mean, this guy,
Speaker 12: this guy is despicable. And it's just outstanding that Australian
Speaker 12: democracy has reached a point where they've decided to punt
Speaker 12: to punk this extremist and good riddence.
Speaker 3: Indeed, and I just loved Pauline Hanson's comment that she
Speaker 3: was in her Brian nickers running round having a gen
Speaker 3: and tonic. Everyone's salarrating when they heard the news. Everyone
Speaker 3: who watches s Guy news. In any case, Michael, I
Speaker 3: just wanted to stick with you for a second. Ask
Speaker 3: who you think would be a good leader for the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 3: Do you are you of the viewer needs to go
Speaker 3: in a conservative direction, a moderate direction? Are there any
Speaker 3: centrist leaders at all?
Speaker 12: So I'll leave the leadership to my friends in the
Speaker 12: Parliamentary Party. But the answer is this, I look at
Speaker 12: it very simply. I accept that John how definition of
Speaker 12: where the Liberal Party should be in general terms, it's
Speaker 12: a center right party. It's a broad church, that's what
Speaker 12: it is. It's not center and it's not right. It's
Speaker 12: a combination of the both. And how has explained that
Speaker 12: a thousand times, and he is the oracle, and I
Speaker 12: completely agree with him, and he proved that that model
Speaker 12: worked for elections in a row. But what the Liberal
Speaker 12: Party needs to do is get back towards core brand equities,
Speaker 12: whether they're right wing or left. We I'm not sure
Speaker 12: the core brand equities economic management debt matters. I mean,
Speaker 12: we're going to have a massive problem in this country
Speaker 12: years down the track when we're when we're you know,
Speaker 12: owing owing the international community and the bondholders money as
Speaker 12: we can't repay. So it needs to get back. It
Speaker 12: needs to get back to core economic values. And I
Speaker 12: must say that I saw Andrew Bolts comments before. I
Speaker 12: think Andrew Bolts writers, and I mean the fin Review's
Speaker 12: got an article of Saftenan saying we had the most
Speaker 12: left wing economic policy we've had since the nineteen seventies
Speaker 12: in arguing for increased taxes and increasing the deficit even
Speaker 12: small amounts. But really that's that should be exactly what
Speaker 12: we're not doing so, you need to get back and
Speaker 12: you need to convince the electric the debt and deficit
Speaker 12: can't go on forever. And if you can't convince people that, well,
Speaker 12: you shouldn't win. You shouldn't You shouldn't win if you
Speaker 12: can't convince people that unlimited debt is something which will
Speaker 12: drive us into the rocks.
Speaker 3: Very hard when people are being offered to have twenty
Speaker 3: percent of the hex debt paid off, though very hard
Speaker 3: to say to those young voters, I don't vote for that. Instead,
Speaker 3: vote for fiscal responsibility. I completely agree with you that
Speaker 3: our budget needs apower. I'm just saying it's a hard
Speaker 3: political argument to win. Steve Price, I want to ask you, though,
Speaker 3: do you think something that is being overlooked in the
Speaker 3: discussion is something quite obvious that, Yes, apart from policies,
Speaker 3: you also need a charismatic, popular leader who connects with voters.
Speaker 6: On thousand percent.
Speaker 9: I mean, I wrote a column in the Heraldson a
Speaker 9: couple of weeks ago bemoaning the fact that the lack
Speaker 9: of leadership in Australian politics. I mean, where are other leaders?
Speaker 9: And I did use a couple of labor premiers by
Speaker 9: the way, as an example of people who do have
Speaker 9: some charisma, and that's Malanaskis in South Australia and Men's
Speaker 9: in New South Wales. I'm not sure where the Liberal
Speaker 9: with that sort of charisma is. I mean, we saw
Speaker 9: raw emotion from Tim Wilson today and a dear friend
Speaker 9: of mine said, don't ever be the first pancake. So
Speaker 9: whoever they put in is not going to be the
Speaker 9: next prime minister Liberal prime Minister of Australia. I think
Speaker 9: Michael would agree with that. And this idea, you know,
Speaker 9: of perhaps just into Nampa Jimp for price finding a
Speaker 9: lower house seat, that might be one way to go.
Speaker 9: You've got a very bright member now in my seat
Speaker 9: of Flinders in Zoe Mackenzie, who looks like hanging on
Speaker 9: and she's got a lot of brains, a lot.
Speaker 6: Of charisma as well.
Speaker 9: You know, they've got to maybe just put in an
Speaker 9: angus Taylor, let him flounder around for a couple of
Speaker 9: years and then replace him with a couple of younger
Speaker 9: leaders that can show the new way for people to go,
Speaker 9: because they've got to get young people back voting for them.
Speaker 9: That's why they've hollowed out the cities because young people
Speaker 9: have just walked away from them and the heck's bribe
Speaker 9: by labor I reckon it was brilliant policy because it
Speaker 9: worked for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, shocking policy, but brilliant politics. Absolutely.
Speaker 3: It was a bribe and it worked correct and that's
Speaker 3: why the Prime Minister said it was his first order
Speaker 3: of business. I mean, they just bought the young vote anyway,
Speaker 3: all right, Michael Kroegers, see price, great to see you.
Speaker 3: Let's turn to the Vatican, where the first round of
Speaker 3: voting for the new pope is set to begin tonight.
Speaker 3: The meeting of all the cardinals is known as the Conclave,
Speaker 3: where secrecy is so highly regarded that all mobile phone
Speaker 3: signals have been deactivated in the Vatican. Stas Butler joins
Speaker 3: us live from the Vatican. Now, Stas, great to see you.
Speaker 2: So told us through what the process is, what will
Speaker 2: happen tonight.
Speaker 13: What we've just seen happen in the square is a
Speaker 13: solemn mass pro elegenda romano quantifija, a special mass that
Speaker 13: was given behind me in Saint Peter's Basilica, led by
Speaker 13: Cardinal Giovanni Battista Ray. This is the first step in
Speaker 13: that longer process to conclave. In his speech, you know,
Speaker 13: warning urging the cardinals this is a choice of exceptional
Speaker 13: importance and that personal convict considerations must be set aside.
Speaker 13: They've now ended that mass and withdrawn they're going to
Speaker 13: come back again at about four point thirty pm our
Speaker 13: time here in Rome. Say a brief prayer before entering
Speaker 13: the Sistine Chapel, which is where the conclave will begin.
Speaker 13: They'll be sworn to secrecy. As you said, mobile phone
Speaker 13: signals blocked, people, those electronic devices that are left on
Speaker 13: people taken away, and everyone who's not necessary ordered out
Speaker 13: of the room. The doors will be locked and voting
Speaker 13: can begin. We're only expecting one vote today, will need
Speaker 13: a two thirds majority to elect a new pope, so
Speaker 13: it seems pretty unlikely that would happen immediately. But afterwards
Speaker 13: we're going to have four votes a day. The last
Speaker 13: two conclaves were done within two days. But there's no
Speaker 13: saying exactly how long this one will last.
Speaker 3: All right, So you say, we don't know how long
Speaker 3: that one will last, So can you give us a
Speaker 3: rough idea of when we will know who the new
Speaker 3: pope is and also tell us who the contenders are?
Speaker 10: Right?
Speaker 13: Well, so I mean as I said that two thirds majority.
Speaker 13: It really depends on, you know, what kind of unity
Speaker 13: we're seeing in the car among the cars right now.
Speaker 13: A lot of them have spoken to media saying that
Speaker 13: they do want a short conclave. They have an interest
Speaker 13: in that happening to prevent you know, us on the
Speaker 13: outside looking at what's happening and saying, well, look, they
Speaker 13: haven't voted for a pope in let's say, five six days.
Speaker 13: That shows that there's clearly an amount of disunity. So
Speaker 13: there is an interest in uniting around a candidate. As
Speaker 13: to who that is, I mean, the list of papabile
Speaker 13: is the term that is used to say that people
Speaker 13: are who are popable literally in Italian people who could
Speaker 13: be pope. It's about, you know, twenty or so long.
Speaker 13: It's really quite a wide range of characters. The front
Speaker 13: runners worth saying, probably Vatican Secretary of State at least
Speaker 13: according to bookmakers, who's Pietro Paroline. He's an Italian experienced diplomat,
Speaker 13: essentially the Vatican's prime minister, who seems like he might
Speaker 13: be a kind of moderate, you know, middle ground who
Speaker 13: could appeal to some conservatives, but at the same time
Speaker 13: continuing somewhat Francis's legacy. There's also a cardinal Luis Antonio Tagli,
Speaker 13: the former archbishop with Manila, who is seen as the
Speaker 13: Asian Francis would be the first pope from what we
Speaker 13: now call Asia. There have been popes from the Middle East,
Speaker 13: but this one obviously coming from further afield, from the Philippines. So,
Speaker 13: I mean, those are the two names that have popped
Speaker 13: out quite a lot, but really there's a huge variety
Speaker 13: out there, and you know, it's quite likely that whoever
Speaker 13: emerges on that balcony when that voter's reached will be
Speaker 13: surprised to some of the people here.
Speaker 2: All right, Staf, thank you very much for that update.
Speaker 3: Now steal to Karma is the race for the next
Speaker 3: Liberal leader turns bidter. I'll speak with Senator Dave Sharma
Speaker 3: about the direction the party should take, and cheng LEI
Speaker 3: will join me live. So she tells the story of
Speaker 3: her incarceration for the first time.
Speaker 2: It is extraordinary. You don't want to miss it. That's
Speaker 2: after this quick break. Well, we all.
Speaker 3: Followed cheng Le's plight when she was wrongfully imprisoned in China,
Speaker 3: accused of trumped up charges of espionage and stealing state secrets.
Speaker 3: And on this program we begged the Australian government and
Speaker 3: Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews when he went to China to
Speaker 3: secure her release. In those dark days when cheng Lei
Speaker 3: was separated from her children and we wondered if she'd
Speaker 3: ever be able to hug them again, if she'd ever
Speaker 3: be free again. I could never have imagined that she'd
Speaker 3: end up being a colleague of mine here at Sky News,
Speaker 3: and that we'd be sitting down tonight together to make
Speaker 3: this special announcement.
Speaker 6: She was the feace of the network and suddenly she's gone.
Speaker 4: China has arrested an Australian journalist working in Beijing.
Speaker 3: One day she was there.
Speaker 13: Next day she vanished.
Speaker 14: They raided my apartment while I sat in.
Speaker 6: The living room.
Speaker 14: This is where I spent six months thinking, Oh, isn't
Speaker 14: it We're going to get out.
Speaker 6: You don't know you'll ever see your firmly again.
Speaker 2: Most of all, I miss my.
Speaker 14: Children's as close to wanting to die as I ever got.
Speaker 9: Then there was Australia's response to COVID that led to
Speaker 9: a very rapid deterioration of the bilateral relationship.
Speaker 6: I think the reason that Lane was taken as a
Speaker 6: political prisoner was China sending a message that there was
Speaker 6: things that are off limits.
Speaker 2: They wanted to bully Australia. Australia Ali, I.
Speaker 14: Thought spies or secrets were all very far from me.
Speaker 9: This is massively cruel, an unfair treatment of an Austrolian
Speaker 9: rock of hope.
Speaker 14: Thank you yours is so hungry for any connection to
Speaker 14: the outside world.
Speaker 3: Every single letter I wrote, I made sure that I
Speaker 3: signed off looking forward to seeing you.
Speaker 2: Those looters.
Speaker 14: Made me think I still had some things left that
Speaker 14: I wasn't a bad person.
Speaker 6: I am loved and remembered.
Speaker 11: Jung Lay My story premier's Tuesday, June three on Sky.
Speaker 9: New Use.
Speaker 3: And not only would chang Lay be presenting her own
Speaker 3: Sky News documentary, she's also releasing her new book, chang Lay,
Speaker 3: a Memoir of Freedom, and you can pre order that,
Speaker 3: which I highly suggest you.
Speaker 2: Do right now from HarperCollins.
Speaker 3: And I'm pleased to say chang Lay joins us here
Speaker 3: in studio now. Chang Lay, that is such a powerful
Speaker 3: and traumatic documentary that hugest Congratulationsks.
Speaker 2: For doing it. And it must have been so difficult
Speaker 2: to relive, you know, the worst part of your life.
Speaker 2: I was shocked at just how horrendous the conditions in
Speaker 2: residential surveillance were. Can you tell us a bit about that.
Speaker 14: I think most people are pretty familiar with the idea
Speaker 14: of solitary confinement or even dungeons where you're starved.
Speaker 2: Or you're cold.
Speaker 14: But this RSDL residential surveillance at a designated life occasion,
Speaker 14: in some ways it's far worse. You can't complain that
Speaker 14: they staffed me, or you know that I was not clothed,
Speaker 14: but they had two people stuck to me at all times,
Speaker 14: every minute of the day, I mean much closer than
Speaker 14: we're sitting now, Sharry and just looking at me. And
Speaker 14: that's very unnerving.
Speaker 2: And you couldn't move.
Speaker 14: You couldn't even move scratch your cheap of permission to
Speaker 14: your legs, no, no, not cross my angles. I had
Speaker 14: to sit straight for thirteen hours a day, except for
Speaker 14: a few ten minute breaks in which I had to
Speaker 14: walk in between them, with about one meter in between
Speaker 14: these two guards about one and a half meters, so
Speaker 14: that has constituted this so called exercise. And I was
Speaker 14: utterly isolated.
Speaker 2: And it's just the.
Speaker 3: Way on twenty four hours a day. They watched you,
Speaker 3: even when you went to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yes, and I.
Speaker 14: Felt sorry for them, It says you mean for them
Speaker 14: as it was for me.
Speaker 2: I mean, the worst would have been.
Speaker 3: You know, as a mother, I can't imagine being away
Speaker 3: from my children for three years and the worry that
Speaker 3: you must have had that they would never know when
Speaker 3: or even if you were coming home.
Speaker 14: Well, as a single mom, they were we were just
Speaker 14: so close together. I would take them to all their
Speaker 14: favorite activities. I would take them on work trips with
Speaker 14: me during the school holidays, and I'll read to them
Speaker 14: before bed. And then I didn't get to see them
Speaker 14: for almost four years. And to be honest, to survive,
Speaker 14: I had to force myself to not think of them.
Speaker 14: And it's only days like their birthdays that I would
Speaker 14: give myself the permission, because otherwise, how many tons of
Speaker 14: tears can you bear to shed?
Speaker 2: You couldn't have coped, You couldn't have coped mentally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, it's literally considered torture, this of isolation
Speaker 3: that you were in, having no contact with the outside world.
Speaker 14: And this is the funny thing. If you talk to
Speaker 14: some Chinese people, they'll say Oh, that's nothing. You know,
Speaker 14: we had it worse during the Culture Revolution, because that's
Speaker 14: the fact they have different standards of humanity. Whereas if
Speaker 14: you speak to an Australian, Canadian, American, they would say, wow,
Speaker 14: that's barbaric. Even if I was a murderer, I should
Speaker 14: be allowed some contact with my kids or other family.
Speaker 2: But that's not the way.
Speaker 14: I guess. It's just a harsher way of looking at
Speaker 14: the world and looking at life.
Speaker 3: Have you spoken to them since about you know, how
Speaker 3: they coped with the fact that you just suddenly disappeared
Speaker 3: and there was a time where no one knew what
Speaker 3: had happened to you.
Speaker 14: They won't actually go through some of the specifics of
Speaker 14: how they coped, but I can see the scar like
Speaker 14: how viercely independent my daughter is, and how sometimes my son.
Speaker 15: Still reverts to that age he was eight when we
Speaker 15: were cruelly separated, and how he would think about mum
Speaker 15: only before bedtime and be so scared that he'd never
Speaker 15: seen mom again, and just all the lost times in
Speaker 15: the park.
Speaker 2: You can never get that back.
Speaker 14: No, they're child no, no, yeah, And that's just part.
Speaker 2: Of being a human port human point, and that's right.
Speaker 3: You were, in a sense a victim of the hostile
Speaker 3: diplomatic relations between Australia and China.
Speaker 2: Is that you know, you.
Speaker 3: Can't separate the fact that there was this rift going
Speaker 3: on from how you retreat.
Speaker 14: It or surveillance on me started and other Australians just
Speaker 14: a few three days after the when our former Foreign
Speaker 14: minister called for that investigation into the source of COVID,
Speaker 14: and on the same day China arrested the Australian, formerly
Speaker 14: Australian educated man in charge of cleaning up Wuhan and
Speaker 14: that he was the police deputy police chief at the time.
Speaker 3: I remember at the time because I was researching the
Speaker 3: origins of COVID nineteen and I was writing about the
Speaker 3: doctors and the whistleblowers who were also put in residential
Speaker 3: surveillance and residential detention. And until I watched your documentary
Speaker 3: this afternoon, I had no idea how bad those conditions were.
Speaker 3: But you think there were so many innocuous right, exactly,
Speaker 3: But there's so many incidents innocent people who were trying
Speaker 3: to do the right thing, doctors, journalists, whistleblowers who were
Speaker 3: all treated like that as well.
Speaker 14: One thing even commemorating doctor when leam the most famous
Speaker 14: whistleblower is not allowed in China. If your a media
Speaker 14: organization and you do that, you have your website blocked,
Speaker 14: you have demerit points, you'll you'll lose your license.
Speaker 3: And just to remind everyone at home, he was the
Speaker 3: whistleblower who tried to alert the world that there was
Speaker 3: this new coronavirus.
Speaker 2: Now and it died because of it.
Speaker 3: One of the things that made us all so angry
Speaker 3: was Victorian Premier Daniel Andrews went to China, you know,
Speaker 3: the first Australian leader to go there, and defact gave
Speaker 3: him talking points to raise your case and he never did.
Speaker 2: How does that make you feel?
Speaker 14: I am pretty beyond anger. But that does make me
Speaker 14: angry in the way that I am moved by all
Speaker 14: the countless Australians and many of them strangers who spoke
Speaker 14: up for me, including you, including so many of my
Speaker 14: media peers and other politicians who just called out what
Speaker 14: was wrong. But I think perhaps mister Andrews was more
Speaker 14: worried about his business opportunities after politics.
Speaker 3: I think you're right there, because there's no either excuse
Speaker 3: for it at all. I just want to end by
Speaker 3: how you are now using this traumatic experience to try
Speaker 3: and help other Australians who are in a similar situation.
Speaker 3: And I understand there are eleven other Australians who are
Speaker 3: wrongfully imprisoned around the world. Can you tell us about
Speaker 3: your advocacy work that you're doing now well.
Speaker 14: I am part of the organization a Wider Australians Against
Speaker 14: Wrong For and Arbitrary Detention Alliance and that's spearheaded by
Speaker 14: Kylie Moore Gilbert and also Sean Tnell, my ex con friends,
Speaker 14: and we tried to raise awareness and we testified at
Speaker 14: the Senate inquiry about what more can be done to
Speaker 14: help the detainees and their families. And it might seem
Speaker 14: like it's only a few people, but what matters is
Speaker 14: the principle that you do not arrest an individual to
Speaker 14: retaliate against a country. And with countries like China where
Speaker 14: the state overrides all, that's not how they see things,
Speaker 14: and that's how fundamental difference. And we care about individuals
Speaker 14: because without individuals, you don't have a society, you don't
Speaker 14: have the government for them. It's the opposite, and that's
Speaker 14: why we think the numbers seem small, but the principles
Speaker 14: are of paramount.
Speaker 2: I don't think it seems small at all.
Speaker 3: I think it's shocking that you know, there's not more
Speaker 3: the Australian government can do. Seeing as the Prime Minister
Speaker 3: now has such a good relationship with China, they should
Speaker 3: be doing more, I think to secure the relation, and
Speaker 3: hopefully they hopefully they will.
Speaker 14: I don't know if you call it a good relationship.
Speaker 14: I think there's fear and coercion involved, given what happened
Speaker 14: last time. So I hope we can appreciate all that's
Speaker 14: good and positive about China, including our trading relationship, but
Speaker 14: also be constantly alert to the torture and the repression
Speaker 14: that goes on in dark corners.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Cheng Lay. I can't you know. I can't
Speaker 2: tell you how much I admire you, how I think
Speaker 2: you're so incredibly courageous. I don't know how you got
Speaker 2: through those three years.
Speaker 3: I truly don't, and I'm so pleased just sitting here now,
Speaker 3: and I have to say I watched the documentary this afternoon.
Speaker 2: Everyone needs to see.
Speaker 3: It is one of the best documentaries Sky has done,
Speaker 3: and it'll be broadcast on Sky News seven. Thirty pm
Speaker 3: on the third of June, and of course I highly
Speaker 3: recommend you pre order chang Lay a Memoir of Freedom
Speaker 3: from HarperCollins.
Speaker 2: I'm certainly going to be ordering that. Thank you so much, Jangway,
Speaker 2: Thanks so much, Shery.
Speaker 3: Now still to come the truth behind Israel's plans for Gaza.
Speaker 3: Sharan Haskell would join me for an exclusive interview plus
Speaker 3: Dave Sharma after this quick break. Welcome back, and let's
Speaker 3: bring in our Liberal Senator Dave Sharma. Dave, but you've
Speaker 3: been scrutineering all day in Bradfield. Can you give us
Speaker 3: an update on how this seat is looking?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 6: The contest is still very tight Cherry, but Gizelle capturing
Speaker 6: the Liberal candidates two hundred and fifteen votes ahead. She
Speaker 6: seems to be winning the postal botes about fifty eight
Speaker 6: percent to forty two percent. There's still some more postal
Speaker 6: boats to be counted, so look, it's it's too early,
Speaker 6: certainly to declare a result one while the out. But
Speaker 6: I think Gizelle's been making up grounds as the countess progressed,
Speaker 6: and I'm certainly very ateful that she will get over
Speaker 6: the line and be the next member of Parliament for Bradfield.
Speaker 3: We've of course seen the good news with Tim Wilson
Speaker 3: beating Zoe Daniel in Goldstein. Do you think it's it's
Speaker 3: looking like Amelia Haemer might do the same thing as
Speaker 3: well in Kuyong.
Speaker 6: Look at that's certainly my hope. Having had a look
Speaker 6: at the numbers. Now I haven't been involved in that count,
Speaker 6: but having a look at the numbers, the way the
Speaker 6: postal boats are breaking, how many more postal votes are
Speaker 6: still to count. She's certainly narrowed the gap significantly since
Speaker 6: the weekend, which is what we always expected would happen.
Speaker 6: I hasten to point out and look, she's not ahead
Speaker 6: on the count, but she's getting quite close, and hopefully,
Speaker 6: from my perspective, there'll be enough more votes that come
Speaker 6: in postals and others to get her.
Speaker 5: Over the line.
Speaker 3: It's amazing because on a lecture night the Liberals were
Speaker 3: ridiculed for saying, oh, we've got to wait for you know,
Speaker 3: the pre poll and the postal But now it looks
Speaker 3: like a lot of those TiAl seats that you know,
Speaker 3: were declared victory for the Teals are now at least
Speaker 3: in doubt.
Speaker 6: Look very true. So obviously, you know Goldstein has been
Speaker 6: won by the Liberals, that's clean. Ow cur Young is
Speaker 6: very close. It looks like Bradfield has been held by
Speaker 6: the Liberals. So I think, you know, amongst a very
Speaker 6: poor night and a lot of tragic results for many
Speaker 6: of my colleagues liberal candidates, these are a couple of
Speaker 6: couple of bright spots for us.
Speaker 3: I've got to ask you about who you think would
Speaker 3: be the best leader for the Liberal Party. This is
Speaker 3: something you will have a vote in. Are you putting
Speaker 3: your support behind one of the candidates?
Speaker 6: Look, I'm at the moment, I'm open to all candidates.
Speaker 6: I'm not going to declare my support unfortunately, not to
Speaker 6: you tonight, show it behind any particular one, but whoever
Speaker 6: it is, and you know, I have a high respect
Speaker 6: for all the candidates to put their names forward. Whoever
Speaker 6: it is, I think really needs to be prepared to
Speaker 6: grapple with the immensity of a scale of the challenges
Speaker 6: we face to rebuild. That's important for us, of course,
Speaker 6: but I think it's important for Australia that we have
Speaker 6: they have a strong credible opposition and an alternative government
Speaker 6: that can form a party of government that's in the
Speaker 6: interests of every Australian, in the interests of better governments
Speaker 6: for Australia.
Speaker 2: I was speaking.
Speaker 3: I mentioned a bit and the show how you did
Speaker 3: defeat an independent in Karen Philips in Wentworth and then
Speaker 3: you lost to Independent Alagors Spender. Do you think this
Speaker 3: is going to continue to be a battle in some
Speaker 3: of these traditionally blue ribbon seats or do you think
Speaker 3: there is a pathway that they can return to the
Speaker 3: Liberal Party And if so, what is it?
Speaker 6: Well, I think you know Tim Wilson's result to Zelle
Speaker 6: Capterian's result has not known yet. Amerely a Hamer's close contest.
Speaker 6: I think shows that there is a pathway back. The
Speaker 6: tales of climates are hundred ran a number of very
Speaker 6: well funded candidates in other seats as well, like one
Speaker 6: and Dan Ten's said, but you know also the first
Speaker 6: and on the Gold Coast, number of places around the country,
Speaker 6: none of them have success And look, we need to
Speaker 6: do a lot more to win back voters in those areas.
Speaker 6: But it shows you that that can be done. And
Speaker 6: I would say that you know the Teals now having
Speaker 6: been in Parliament for three years, you know they're being
Speaker 6: held to account for their promises and their conduct and
Speaker 6: their votes and their ability to deliver. And I think
Speaker 6: that's what Tim Wilson highlighted quite effectively in his own campaign,
Speaker 6: is that the promise of the Teals has not materialized
Speaker 6: and as a result, I think he convinced a number
Speaker 6: of people to come back to a major party, to
Speaker 6: come back to the Liberals.
Speaker 3: Tim Wilson also said when he gave his press conference
Speaker 3: today that he still believes nuclear energy needs to be
Speaker 3: part of Australia's future. This is despite the Scare campaign
Speaker 3: that labor Ron, which would have damaged the coalition.
Speaker 2: What's your view on this, Well.
Speaker 6: Say, look, I think all the policies we took to
Speaker 6: the election will rightly be reviewed and reassessed, so you know,
Speaker 6: I think everything is up for discussion and debate. Personally,
Speaker 6: I had no problem with nuclear energy. I think it's
Speaker 6: a good idea. But you know, the most potent element
Speaker 6: of the Scare campaign was not the technology. It was
Speaker 6: the cost and the fact that the government would be building,
Speaker 6: owning and operating. There's assets which you know, even on
Speaker 6: our own costings in the hundreds of billions of dollars.
Speaker 6: You know, as someone who prefers the private enterprise and
Speaker 6: private operators iron operate. There's assets in a regulated environment
Speaker 6: if need be. That's always been a difficult thing I
Speaker 6: think for Liberals to accept, and I certainly think that
Speaker 6: element should be reviewed.
Speaker 3: Foreign Minister Pennywong just finally has said that she doesn't
Speaker 3: plan to retire this term. There have been rumors some
Speaker 3: were hopeful that those rumors were true. You know, this
Speaker 3: is going to be very difficult to have her in
Speaker 3: the job. We should realistically expect that she's going to
Speaker 3: try move towards recognition of Palestine Palestine this term, don't you.
Speaker 14: Think, well?
Speaker 6: I think, look, this is the area where she's been
Speaker 6: most at it. It was Foreign Minister, despite I think only
Speaker 6: having traveled to the region once, she's has a lot
Speaker 6: of strong opinions and her caucus does as well, and
Speaker 6: her party membership about the role Australia should play or
Speaker 6: the side we should support, if you like, in the
Speaker 6: Middle East conflict. I think we will need to watch
Speaker 6: this very both closely. You know, we and the Liberals
Speaker 6: still support a strong, functioning, productive relationship with Israel. We
Speaker 6: support a two solution, We support a palace in the
Speaker 6: instate of emerging over time, that it has to be
Speaker 6: a state that is not committed to the destruction of Israel,
Speaker 6: like Hamas's committed to the destruction of Israel.
Speaker 2: Indeed, all right, Dave Sharma, thank you very much for
Speaker 2: joining us tonight after the break.
Speaker 3: Who will speak about the future of the Gaza Strip?
Speaker 2: That's next? All right?
Speaker 3: Joining me now is Israel's Deputy Foreign Affairs Minister Sharan
Speaker 3: Haschool Sharin. We've only got thirty seconds because there were
Speaker 3: tech issues from your end. Tell us what the plans
Speaker 3: are for the for the Gazza Strip.
Speaker 2: What is Israel doing? You're moving in there.
Speaker 16: We want to bring our hostages back. We know that
Speaker 16: with the last two ceasefires only military pressure persuaded Ramas
Speaker 16: to go into a ceasefire to return them back home,
Speaker 16: and so what we're doing now is advancing. We want
Speaker 16: to destroy Commas capability and we want to bring them
Speaker 16: home as quickly and as safety as possible.
Speaker 3: So this isn't about seizing control of the Gaza Strip
Speaker 3: as has been reported.
Speaker 6: No.
Speaker 1: Look, the way to destroy Ramas is very difficult. We
Speaker 1: have tried now for almost a year uh specific operation.
Speaker 1: So having presents and then going to specific operation in
Speaker 1: the Gaza strip. This is not in the and the
Speaker 1: way I was actually effective for that.
Speaker 3: We're out of Sorry, I'll take issue setting you up.
Speaker 3: I really hope we can get you back on tomorrow
Speaker 3: because I want to have this conversation on this interview.
Speaker 2: All right, not a problem. I'll be back at eight
Speaker 2: o'clock tomorrow. And here's Paul Murray.