Speaker 1: From the Sky News Center.
Speaker 2: This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 1: Good evening and welcome to the show. Calab Bond in
Speaker 1: the chair tonight. Paul is actually putting his family first
Speaker 1: for once tonight. His words, not mine, he told me
Speaker 1: he could say that. So they've got the only other
Speaker 1: Baido in the buildings to come and bilin. We will
Speaker 1: get into all of the day's news. Caroline Marcus here
Speaker 1: on the desk, and plenty of others. Don't go away. Well,
Speaker 1: Albinocchio could not have moved any faster. Actually he could have.
Speaker 1: He could have just flat out ruled out any changes
Speaker 1: to negative gearing yesterday. But the PM was out there
Speaker 1: this morning saying there were no plans to do anything.
Speaker 1: Frankie Jr. Take it away.
Speaker 3: What a difference today, twenty four little hour.
Speaker 1: Now, clearly the message came through that not ruling out
Speaker 1: one of the policies that killed Bill Shorten in the
Speaker 1: unlosable lietion of twenty nineteen wasn't playing all that well.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It seems to be getting under
Speaker 1: his skin though, because he was a bit tasty doing
Speaker 1: the morning TV rounds today. Here he was with our
Speaker 1: own Peter Steffanovic this morning, Well.
Speaker 3: We have no plans to touch it or change negative gearing.
Speaker 3: What we did with our income tax changes was to
Speaker 3: deliver a tax cup for every Australia.
Speaker 1: Live doing you live, you were deceps doing that.
Speaker 3: Guess what, Pete, Well, well if I did so to
Speaker 3: plead it, Dutton because they voted for it.
Speaker 1: Not a happy chappie our Albinocchio. He gave the Today
Speaker 1: Show the same treatment when he was asked about his
Speaker 1: fiscal management.
Speaker 4: You know, and as economists have told us as well,
Speaker 4: that two point seven percent rate is really just mirroring
Speaker 4: the rebates, the energy rebate that's out there and actually
Speaker 4: the inflation rates three point five nine. Michelle Bullet hasn't
Speaker 4: moved the rates the interests.
Speaker 5: That that's not right, Sarah, with respect the poor fel Now,
Speaker 5: it's all good and well for him to say that
Speaker 5: there are no plans to change negative gearing or they're
Speaker 5: not considering changing negative gearing.
Speaker 1: But we've been in exactly the same position before, of course,
Speaker 1: when it came to Stage three tax cuts, as Stefanovic
Speaker 1: pointed out before, I mean they said before the election
Speaker 1: that there wouldn't be any changes to them, and they
Speaker 1: kept saying it after the election, they said it all
Speaker 1: the way up to this year. But of course that's
Speaker 1: not what happened, is it. We later found out that
Speaker 1: the Treasurer Jim Chalmers had asked the Treasury to do
Speaker 1: modeling on changing the tax cuts just after the twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two election. So here we are again. The government
Speaker 1: has commissioned the Treasury to do the modeling on changes
Speaker 1: to negative gearing, just like they did on Stage three
Speaker 1: tax cuts, which they changed. And yet we're meant to
Speaker 1: believe that this time it's for no reason that they're
Speaker 1: not actually going to do anything. I mean, fool me once,
Speaker 1: Shame on you, and you know the rest. But the
Speaker 1: government would have to be genuinely brain dead if they
Speaker 1: are considering this in any way, and not just because
Speaker 1: Shorten did it in twenty nineteen. We have been here before.
Speaker 1: Labor banned negative gearing before. Let's go back to nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty five. Next Saturday night, we're sending you that to
Speaker 1: the future Thursday night. But you get the point. Paul Keatings, Treasurer,
Speaker 1: got rid of negative gearing in July nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 1: Now I know it can be difficult to get your
Speaker 1: head around what it is, but basically, it's where property
Speaker 1: investors offset the losses on their property, which is the
Speaker 1: difference between rental income and what they have to spend
Speaker 1: on the place against their other income. It's a tax
Speaker 1: write off, like any other claim that you might make
Speaker 1: for expenses that relate to work. Keating told Cabinet all
Speaker 1: that time ago, back in the eighties that the government
Speaker 1: cannot continue to tolerate a situation in which the general
Speaker 1: body of tax payers effectively subsidizes the property investments of
Speaker 1: a particular group of usually high income tax payers. Now,
Speaker 1: this was meant to raise fifty five million dollars in
Speaker 1: the first year, but it actually only raised eleven million
Speaker 1: dollars because investors found other places to put their money
Speaker 1: and they claimed different tax breaks. Now, vacancy rates in
Speaker 1: Sydney and Perth went through the floor one percent in Sydney,
Speaker 1: one point four percent in Perth, and rents went through
Speaker 1: the roof. Investors went bunter and now for the whole
Speaker 1: thing didn't work. Keating brought negative gearing back quietly in
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven and it's been there ever since. Now,
Speaker 1: some commentators have pointed to the fact that it was
Speaker 1: only Sydney in Perth that suffered in the eighties and
Speaker 1: say that on that basis getting rid of negative gearing
Speaker 1: would make no real difference to rental prices or rental availability.
Speaker 1: But the vacancy rates right now across the country are
Speaker 1: extremely close to what they were when negative gearing was
Speaker 1: abolished in the eighties. It's one point six percent in Sydney,
Speaker 1: point seven percent in Darwin, one point one percent in Brisbane,
Speaker 1: point six percent in Adelaide, one point one percent in Hobart,
Speaker 1: one point six percent in Melbourne, and point seven percent
Speaker 1: in Perth. The national rate has effectively been stagnant around
Speaker 1: one point two to one point three percent since March
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. So when the availability of rentals is
Speaker 1: that low across the country, you can't tell me that
Speaker 1: scrapping negative gearing won't hurt the rental market. And even
Speaker 1: if you are to assume that it won't drive rents up,
Speaker 1: it's all these properties in the rental market are going
Speaker 1: to stay in the rental market because we're certainly not
Speaker 1: building them fast enough to keep up with demand. So
Speaker 1: if for a mom and dad investor can't afford to
Speaker 1: keep the property because it's now costing them too much money.
Speaker 1: It means that they have to sell it. And remember
Speaker 1: we're assuming all these properties are staying in the rental market. Now,
Speaker 1: the people renting these places aren't magically going to have
Speaker 1: the money to buy them as an owner occupy. So
Speaker 1: the only people who will be able to buy them
Speaker 1: and keep them in the rental market are even wealthier
Speaker 1: property investors who can afford to cop the loss now
Speaker 1: in the hope they'll make it up in the property
Speaker 1: value further down the track. So Albow, the workers champion,
Speaker 1: apparently meant to be looking after the battlers. He would
Speaker 1: force ordinary hard working Aussies to sell their investments and
Speaker 1: effectively be redistributing wealth from the working and middle class
Speaker 1: to the rich. I mean, slow clap, buddy. Surely they
Speaker 1: can't be that stupid. While we're talking about the federal government,
Speaker 1: they brought in all these rules earlier in the year
Speaker 1: making it illegal to sell vapes. Now, anyone who's walked
Speaker 1: into a tobacconist or a convenience store, you will know
Speaker 1: it's done absolutely nothing. You can still buy them anywhere,
Speaker 1: and it's just helped fuel the illegal vape and tobacco market,
Speaker 1: which is now going gangbusters. One hundred tobacconists in Victoria
Speaker 1: have now been firebombed and organized crime gangs are fighting
Speaker 1: over who gets to control the market. That's what they're
Speaker 1: fighting about. They're literally bombing shops to stop them buying
Speaker 1: illegal cigarettes from the other mop. Now, anyone who's watched
Speaker 1: Me or any other show on this channel will know
Speaker 1: how stupid I think all this is. The ridiculous tobacco
Speaker 1: excis has created a massive market for crime games. Banning vapes,
Speaker 1: it hasn't stopped kids from vaping. Is just poured more
Speaker 1: money into the pockets of bikies. And the government kind
Speaker 1: of worked out this wasn't working, so the Greens got
Speaker 1: on board and said, look, why don't we let pharmacies
Speaker 1: start selling vapes with a prescription in July. And even
Speaker 1: though the pharmacies don't really want it, it's not in
Speaker 1: their wheelhouse, they say that it'll make them a target.
Speaker 1: From next month, you'll be able to buy a vape
Speaker 1: at a pharmacy without a prescription as long as you're
Speaker 1: over eighteen. So any adult can buy a vape legally,
Speaker 1: but you have to go to mister pharmacists to get it,
Speaker 1: even though you can walk into any supermarket and buy
Speaker 1: a packet of darries. Of course, we know that vapes
Speaker 1: aren't as dangerous the cigarettes, but they're much more readily available.
Speaker 1: The ciggi's try and make it make sase. But now
Speaker 1: Western Australia says they're going to bring in tougher rules
Speaker 1: to override the federal government and stop people from being
Speaker 1: able to buy a vape to the pharmacist without a prescription.
Speaker 2: The majority of vapes are illegal, but they're still so
Speaker 2: easy to get.
Speaker 1: Can I get all I want?
Speaker 6: Doctor?
Speaker 2: You can get it?
Speaker 1: Many of you want.
Speaker 7: Bro.
Speaker 2: The state government now bypassing federal laws to stamp out
Speaker 2: vaping without a script. A recent nine News investigation confirming
Speaker 2: what everyone knows. The devices are easy to get and
Speaker 2: everywhere Perth retail is vaping with one hand, are legally
Speaker 2: selling them with the other.
Speaker 8: How much do you sell them for.
Speaker 2: Seventy each?
Speaker 9: It's been too easy, it's been far too easy, and
Speaker 9: it's been aggressively targeted to children.
Speaker 2: The federal government's new laws would have let pharmacies sell
Speaker 2: vapes without a script. The state government is rewriting WA's
Speaker 2: regulations to uphold our current rules, meaning here you still
Speaker 2: must have a prescription to legally buy a vape.
Speaker 9: None of the laws or compliance will be targeting the
Speaker 9: users of vapes, targeting those organizations who continue.
Speaker 10: To flout the law.
Speaker 1: Now, the pharmacy model is not perfect by any means,
Speaker 1: but let me get this straight. Illegal vapes are being
Speaker 1: sold out of dodgy shops all over the country, all
Speaker 1: over WA, and so the West Australian government is going
Speaker 1: to ban the one legal way to buy a vape
Speaker 1: that doesn't line the pockets of organized crime games that
Speaker 1: could actually take some market off of the crims. The
Speaker 1: bikis the Hill's angels. I mean, they may as well
Speaker 1: send a thank you letter to the West Australian government.
Speaker 1: If the ban hasn't worked to this point, then what
Speaker 1: on earth makes them think it's going to work now?
Speaker 9: Now?
Speaker 1: Saturday, of course, is AFL Grand final Day. I mean
Speaker 1: this is like Christmas to Ozzie Rules fans like me
Speaker 1: that the last Saturday in September, it just has a
Speaker 1: feeling about it. Mike Brady gets up and sings up there, Kazale,
Speaker 1: how good is Mike Brady. I can just feel it already.
Speaker 1: My spine is tingling. I could hear my producers singing
Speaker 1: in the back room just before when they were playing that. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm sure some people might get the same thing with
Speaker 1: the NRL Grand Final, but I'm an Adelaide boy, so
Speaker 1: you'll have to indulge me. You know where my loyalties lie.
Speaker 1: And I don't have a dog in the fight because
Speaker 1: I am a crows Man, just like our great Chris Kenny.
Speaker 1: And I don't know this might be a bit sacrilegious
Speaker 1: to say now that I live in Sydney, but I
Speaker 1: really want the Brisbane Lions to beat the Sydney Swans,
Speaker 1: and I want it for their coach, Chris Faken. Now
Speaker 1: you might remember he was dragged through the mud after
Speaker 1: a report into supposed racism at Hawthorne Football Club implicated
Speaker 1: him and the former coach Alastair Clarkson, who's now at
Speaker 1: North Melbourne.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 1: The bloke who wrote that report, Phil Egan. He's since
Speaker 1: been charged with more than seventy counts of fraud, accused
Speaker 1: of stealing nearly eight hundred grand from the Aboriginal organization
Speaker 1: for which he worked and the allegations were thrown out
Speaker 1: by the AFL after two reports it commissioned into the
Speaker 1: matter found there was a complete lack of evidence. Now,
Speaker 1: Fagan seemed to fear a bit better mentally than Clarkson,
Speaker 1: who had to take some time off at North Melbourne
Speaker 1: to get himself together. Fagan kept coaching at Brisbane. But
Speaker 1: I really want him to win, to stick it up
Speaker 1: the doubters and prove his extraordinary strength in the face
Speaker 1: of allegations of racism that two independent reports found had
Speaker 1: no basis. Of course, we know these days you throw
Speaker 1: mud and it sticks. Sometimes it sticks forever. Accusing someone
Speaker 1: of racism is just about one of the worst things
Speaker 1: you can do these days, and a flag would be
Speaker 1: the perfect up yours. I hope he gets it. But
Speaker 1: let's get back into the negative gearing discussion and plenty
Speaker 1: of other news of the day. Joining me here tonight
Speaker 1: in the man Cave is Caroline Marcus. Down in alban
Speaker 1: is Michael Kroger. Thank you both for being here. Caroline.
Speaker 1: We played the comments before from elbow. He was looking
Speaker 1: pretty testy this morning. This is getting under his skin.
Speaker 11: Oh, it absolutely is, and he really wears his emotions
Speaker 11: on his sleeves, so to speak. He really shows when
Speaker 11: he doesn't like a question, doesn't he, because it almost
Speaker 11: becomes an attack on the journalist who asks the tricky question.
Speaker 11: We saw it this morning with our own Pete Stefanovic,
Speaker 11: who actually asked him some tough questions. And isn't this
Speaker 11: exactly the same kind of language that he used back
Speaker 11: when he refused to rule out changes to the stage
Speaker 11: three tacks? Jack, It is exactly the same, so we
Speaker 11: know the direction this is really going in. But when
Speaker 11: Pete tried to ask him about that, he repeatedly told
Speaker 11: him he wasn't listening to him. Well, he was listening,
Speaker 11: and he wasn't answering the questions, the very simple questions
Speaker 11: he was being asked, And that's because he doesn't want
Speaker 11: to see the polls go even further down. He wants
Speaker 11: to it would seem just thrust this upon voters at
Speaker 11: the last minute, and he changes to the negative gearing
Speaker 11: or capital gains tax. And the truth is, Caleb, it's
Speaker 11: not just changes that would affect the very wealthy, which
Speaker 11: is what the government is trying to steer the conversation
Speaker 11: into at the moment, isn't it It affects almost a
Speaker 11: million Australians, many of which are mum and dad investors
Speaker 11: who might just have one investment property. That would be
Speaker 11: the majority of cases. Yes, there are people who have
Speaker 11: multiple properties and they're super wealthy, but there are mum
Speaker 11: and dad investors who are doing it tough, who are
Speaker 11: struggling just like everyone else with the cost of living,
Speaker 11: who are going to be impacted. And again, it doesn't
Speaker 11: seem fair to change things midstream when they haven't got
Speaker 11: a mandate to do that, correct.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm one of them. I bought a property
Speaker 1: when I was twenty one years old in Adelaide, and
Speaker 1: of course I've since left Adelaide and gone into States
Speaker 1: or not living in it. I have someone else in
Speaker 1: there paying for part of the mortgage. And this is
Speaker 1: the point, Mirchael, right, most people who have a negatively
Speaker 1: geared property are mum and dad investors. They've been smashed
Speaker 1: by interest rates in the last couple of years. They're
Speaker 1: not turning a profit on this property, but they're keeping
Speaker 1: it in the rental market, which is thoroughly strained right
Speaker 1: now because they have negative gearing available to them. As
Speaker 1: I said before, Keating scrapped it in eighty five. He
Speaker 1: brought it back in eighty seven because it didn't work.
Speaker 1: Why would Labor possibly think this would be a smart idea, because.
Speaker 12: Mate, he's got no other ideas, and he's under pressure
Speaker 12: from the left. When in doubt, if you're on the left,
Speaker 12: you just pressure elbow and eventually he will fold on
Speaker 12: a thousand issues that don't bear repeating. I mean, Labor
Speaker 12: have never won an election promising a tax increase. We
Speaker 12: won one with the Gst election in ninety eight, and
Speaker 12: John Howard escape by the skin of his teeth.
Speaker 1: You go to an.
Speaker 12: Election promising massive tax increases, which Labor did in nineteen
Speaker 12: more we saw what happened. If he goes to the
Speaker 12: election with changes to capital gains tax and negative gearing,
Speaker 12: it'll do him huge electoral damage, no matter what he
Speaker 12: does in terms of grandfathering, or it's only five properties
Speaker 12: or more or whatever it is, because people know that's
Speaker 12: the first step. You know, once you get on this
Speaker 12: slippery slope, it's five properties down to three properties, et cetera,
Speaker 12: et cetera, And then ultimately you get to the Greens.
Speaker 12: You know the Greens. You know magic pudding solution, which
Speaker 12: is to tax capital gains in the sale of the
Speaker 12: family homes. That's ultimately what the Greens want, and that
Speaker 12: leaks into Labor Party thinking. It's like, well, what's so
Speaker 12: special about the home. It's just just an investment. It's
Speaker 12: a property I live in. So ultimately that's the Greens,
Speaker 12: that's the Greens policy. That would seep into Labour's policy
Speaker 12: five ten years down the track. So if Aobo starts this,
Speaker 12: people just not going to trust him. You can't trust
Speaker 12: this bloke. I mean, he makes He said he wasn't
Speaker 12: wasn't going to change Stage three tax cuts. He did,
Speaker 12: he wasn't going to do anything with souper. How many
Speaker 12: times did we see that before the he did. He's
Speaker 12: now taxi, unrealized capital gains and super funds. I mean
Speaker 12: what I mean. The guy doesn't understand economics. He doesn't
Speaker 12: understand the investment community, and he should. But the one
Speaker 12: thing he'd be sure upon is calib that the if
Speaker 12: he brings in tax on capital gains for investment properties,
Speaker 12: he won't be making it retrospective. He won't be making
Speaker 12: it retrospective because that would affect him. Now, that's not
Speaker 12: the reason he's not bringing that's not the reason he
Speaker 12: would he wouldn't be bringing in. But my point is
Speaker 12: Albanezi is collapsing under the weight of the left and
Speaker 12: he's got no other ideas and him, you know, he
Speaker 12: just might do something out of desperation.
Speaker 1: Well, what really irks me about it, Caroline, is that
Speaker 1: it's a return to the politics of envy. You know,
Speaker 1: it's setting it up as all you know, you, you
Speaker 1: poor bastard who's struggling away in your rental property. It's
Speaker 1: because the landlord is raking in loads of money thanks
Speaker 1: to negative gearing. Most investment properties, as we alluded to before,
Speaker 1: and not owned by or actually shouldn't say that most
Speaker 1: investment properties aren't owned by wealthy people. The majority of
Speaker 1: property investors are not wealthy people. Their mum and dad
Speaker 1: investors who have won two maybe three properties, which is
Speaker 1: basically their retirement fund. Right, there's superannuation, and so it's
Speaker 1: being set up as you should be worried that these
Speaker 1: people have more than you. Well, that doesn't move us
Speaker 1: forward as a country, doesn't put any money back in
Speaker 1: anyone else's pocket.
Speaker 11: Well, it is class warfare what that's all about, really,
Speaker 11: and it's not healthy, I think for Australian society. We
Speaker 11: already have a tall poppy type of syndrome. But these
Speaker 11: are not tool poppies, as both of us have pointed
Speaker 11: out their momentad investors. They're people who are struggling with
Speaker 11: the cost of living like everyone else. But ultimately, I mean,
Speaker 11: I think we do obviously have a housing crisis in
Speaker 11: this country and the government is getting desperate to get
Speaker 11: some wins on the board because honestly, nothing is going
Speaker 11: in their favor and they have to do something. I
Speaker 11: just don't think this is it, but they do need
Speaker 11: to address. Any government who wants to be successful in
Speaker 11: this country needs to address this housing crisis. I don't
Speaker 11: think this is a solution, but it's just an act
Speaker 11: of desperation.
Speaker 1: The solution is to build more houses. Well, of course
Speaker 1: we know they've completely failed on that. Now onto global politics.
Speaker 1: Now everyone's sort of paying attention to Lebanon and Israel.
Speaker 1: As the war is moving further north israels Is. They're
Speaker 1: now preparing for a ground invasion. Penny Wog spoke on
Speaker 1: this today. It's basically what we've come to expect from
Speaker 1: Penny Wong. She's calling for a cease fire. A number
Speaker 1: of other nations, the US as well, are calling for
Speaker 1: an immediate twenty one day cease fire. Here was Pennywong today.
Speaker 10: We condemn his Bela's continued to attack on Israel, but
Speaker 10: I do say again Lebanese civilians cannot be made to
Speaker 10: pay the price of defeating Hisbellah. The global community has
Speaker 10: made clear that this destructive or must stop what has
Speaker 10: happened in recent days only makes an immediate cease fire
Speaker 10: in Gaza even more urgent. You would have heard me
Speaker 10: say this before, and I say it again. Lebanon cannot
Speaker 10: become the next Gaza.
Speaker 1: Michael, where do you think we're heading here?
Speaker 12: Well, first of all, let me say, you know, shame
Speaker 12: on you, Penny Wong. You met the Prime Minister of Palestine,
Speaker 12: which is the West Bank. Basically, the prime minister that
Speaker 12: Penny met wasn't elected, by the way, He was appointed
Speaker 12: by the Palestinian authority, who themselves haven't faced an election
Speaker 12: since two thousand and five. So an unelected prime minister
Speaker 12: appointed by a government that my friend Michael Danby likes
Speaker 12: to say, is nineteen years into a four year term,
Speaker 12: and it's twenty years on January nine next year. Since
Speaker 12: mackmurder Bass was appointed. So these are the people she's meeting,
Speaker 12: and she doesn't meet the president and of Iran, who
Speaker 12: was elected, by the way, in a rigged election. Nevertheless,
Speaker 12: she doesn't meet him and say, why don't you stop
Speaker 12: funding the hooties and Hesblah and Hamas. Where's the meeting
Speaker 12: with the president of Iran. He was there in the building,
Speaker 12: he gave a speech. Why doesn't she meet the president
Speaker 12: of Lebanon and call on the Lebanese president and a
Speaker 12: prime minister and parliament to expel Hesblah, to call on
Speaker 12: hes Balah fighters to leave Lebanon. Why isn't she doing that? No, No,
Speaker 12: it's usually all about Israel. It's winkwink about Israel. Look,
Speaker 12: this government are not supportive of the Jewish community. They're
Speaker 12: not supportive of Israel, and Israel have to take the
Speaker 12: law into their own hands, self defense, in their own hands.
Speaker 12: They've decided that after years and years of bombing of
Speaker 12: the northern parts of Israel, I was near the Lebanese
Speaker 12: border in January, just two kilometers from the border, you
Speaker 12: know the kubbutzos that had been empty of people because
Speaker 12: it was unsafe. Tens of thousands of people had to
Speaker 12: leave northern Israel because of the threat of haz Bala.
Speaker 12: Israel have had enough, They've drawn a line in the sand,
Speaker 12: and I think where it's heading. I think they're going
Speaker 12: to continue to bomb hez Bala positions. And whether there'll
Speaker 12: be a ground evasion, I'm not so sure about that.
Speaker 12: Maybe there will be, maybe there won't be. But they're
Speaker 12: achieving a hell of a lot through through their bombing campaign,
Speaker 12: and sadly, innocent Lebanese are getting killed, and which is
Speaker 12: why the Lebanese government should be calling on haz Bla
Speaker 12: to leave, to leave Lebanon and go to Iran where
Speaker 12: they'll be welcomed.
Speaker 1: Well, there's you know, sixty thousand odd people who haven't
Speaker 1: been able to live in the north of Israel, Caroline
Speaker 1: because of the fighting with Lebanon. And it's all good
Speaker 1: and will to.
Speaker 8: Call fighting with Lebanon.
Speaker 11: Buckets that Israel, which I hadn't reacted to until very
Speaker 11: recreat and it's.
Speaker 1: All good and will to call for a cease fight.
Speaker 1: Very easy to call for a sea fire from the
Speaker 1: other side of the world, and there's no one on
Speaker 1: the face of the planet apart from maybe arms dealers
Speaker 1: who wants to see war ongoing, But the reality is
Speaker 1: that this conflict has been happening since October the seventh,
Speaker 1: as if they're just going to pack up now and
Speaker 1: say all over, Sorry, don't worry about it. You can
Speaker 1: just keep firing and ask nothing to matter.
Speaker 11: I noticed how these calls for seaesfire, Like, where was
Speaker 11: Penny Wong on October eight when Hesbelah started firing the
Speaker 11: first of its eight thousand, more than eight thousand rockets
Speaker 11: Now at Israel? Was she calling for a ceasefire from
Speaker 11: Hesbela then No, exactly like she did with her mass.
Speaker 11: The urge for restraint is always directed at Israel. Israel
Speaker 11: can get attacked by all these Islamis Jihades as much
Speaker 11: as they want, and she says pretty much zip. But
Speaker 11: as soon as Israel starts defending itself and it's people,
Speaker 11: which it has an obligation to do, that's when she
Speaker 11: decides to speak up and calls for a ceaesfire, which
Speaker 11: really is code for Israel, lie down and take it.
Speaker 11: Why don't you don't defend your people allow them to
Speaker 11: continue firing rockets. I mean, let's not forget as well
Speaker 11: as the sixty to seventy thousand Israelis who are still displaced.
Speaker 11: As you point out, there were also a dozen Drews
Speaker 11: children who were killed playing soccer on a soccer on
Speaker 11: a football field not that long ago by Hesbelo rockets.
Speaker 11: Where was the international community outrage about that? It's always
Speaker 11: reserved for when Israel fights back. People hate it when
Speaker 11: Jews defend themselves. And the truth is as tragic as
Speaker 11: civilian deaths are in Lebanon and in Gaza. The fault
Speaker 11: falls clearly and squarely with the terrorist organizations that use
Speaker 11: their own people as human shields. Just like commasters, Hesbela
Speaker 11: hides behind its people and they are the ones that
Speaker 11: there needs to be absolute moral clarity from our government
Speaker 11: and from Penny Wong that that's where the fault lies.
Speaker 1: And I think they forget sometimes the decease fire involves
Speaker 1: two parts exactly, not just one. You can't just expect
Speaker 1: one to put down their guns and think the other
Speaker 1: is not going to do the same. Let's come back
Speaker 1: to Australia. One of the few things that Labor has done,
Speaker 1: good thing that it's done recently in amongst a few
Speaker 1: other dodgy decisions by Tenure plybisic. They have approved three
Speaker 1: coal mines here in New South Wales because of course
Speaker 1: they know that they need the money from these resources.
Speaker 1: But the teals true to what they are not happy
Speaker 1: about it. Kylie Tink was one in The Australian Today
Speaker 1: saying that this decision fails young people, it fails future generations.
Speaker 1: Monique Ryan. Of course, down in Kuyong, nowhere near any
Speaker 1: sort of coal mines. Is the people of Couyong here
Speaker 1: deeply about climate change and they want Australia to reduce
Speaker 1: its carbon emissions, not open new coal mines. Michael. Once again,
Speaker 1: these people just don't get it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: they would rather we keep it in the ground. They know,
Speaker 1: of course it's going to be burnt. It doesn't matter
Speaker 1: whether it's bird here or it's burd overseas. It all
Speaker 1: goes into the same atmosphere. So they say keep it
Speaker 1: in the ground forever. A bugger everyone else who's not
Speaker 1: going to have access to any sort of cheap power.
Speaker 1: Just leave people in poverty. That'll be great. But I
Speaker 1: think that the worrying angle is that if you end
Speaker 1: up in a position where it's a hung parliament and
Speaker 1: Albanesi needs to go off to support from mobs like
Speaker 1: the Greens and the deals, these are the things they're
Speaker 1: going to be asking for, and we could be in
Speaker 1: a position where Albanizi has to think seriously about not
Speaker 1: approving any more coalmandes.
Speaker 12: Of course you will. A minority labor government would be
Speaker 12: a nightmare for this country. I mean, just imagine the
Speaker 12: Albanesi government having to negotiate every day that the parliament
Speaker 12: sitting with the you know, the anti Semites, and you
Speaker 12: know amongst the Greens they're sort of extremely fascist Marxists
Speaker 12: of the near left. Then you've got these teals who
Speaker 12: you know, sitting there, sitting there in a rich, first
Speaker 12: world electorate with heating electricity, two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 12: dollars salary, government cars, free air travel, staff, phones, everything,
Speaker 12: all you can eat and drink at the public's expense,
Speaker 12: living first in the first world luxury. You know, we
Speaker 12: export a lot of this cold monique. We export a
Speaker 12: lot of it brings income to Australia and jobs for
Speaker 12: ordinary blue collar Australians who don't have the advantages that
Speaker 12: wealthy members of parliament have. But I'd say this also,
Speaker 12: the good news is that the gloss has gone off
Speaker 12: the Teals. You know, the macro point is that it
Speaker 12: was peak pro teal in May twenty two. The gloss
Speaker 12: has gone off them. I think the gloss has gone
Speaker 12: off them in seats like Kuyong, where Monique Ryan has
Speaker 12: been a very poor member, achieved or nothing, although she
Speaker 12: takes credit for some things in the education space. I
Speaker 12: think there's a big buyers remorse in Keyong where they
Speaker 12: swapped Josh Friedenberg for Monique Ryan, who has had little
Speaker 12: or no influence in Canberra. And I think the good
Speaker 12: people of Kyong are looking forward to electing Emilia Hamer,
Speaker 12: who's our new candidate, who's a brilliant, young professional woman.
Speaker 12: And I think Emilia is probably our slight favorite to
Speaker 12: win that seat over Ryan, and that would be great
Speaker 12: Victoria and great for Australia.
Speaker 1: Well, let's see how it goes, because we're not suggesting
Speaker 1: that any particular Green is an anti Simmer, but I
Speaker 1: just hope that the Teals can know.
Speaker 12: Oh sorry, sorry, a Caleb Jennifer Leong in Sydney, the
Speaker 12: Green's member who has made some very anti Semitic statements.
Speaker 12: I don't know how you could include anything other than
Speaker 12: her statements were the statements of someone who who's who's
Speaker 12: uttered any Semitic words.
Speaker 11: And Marine posing. I know you're covering yourself legally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just following that.
Speaker 12: You're a good man, you're a good man, and you're
Speaker 12: a good man Cala, but not that good.
Speaker 11: I think the party itself is coming very close, and
Speaker 11: I've said this before to being an anti Semitic cult,
Speaker 11: and it's very very and I'm not going to name
Speaker 11: individuals except Marine Fruki posing happily and posting it to
Speaker 11: social media a picture with young people at a climate
Speaker 11: protest holding signs saying Jewish people should get in the
Speaker 11: bin and the world would be a better place. That
Speaker 11: is difficult to argue that that's not anti Semitic. She
Speaker 11: did delete it. She did delete it and claims she
Speaker 11: didn't see it, but she was standing next to that sign.
Speaker 11: I don't think anyone else would be given as much
Speaker 11: of a breathing rumor she has. And to follow that
Speaker 11: up with saying that refusing to say hamas should be
Speaker 11: dismantled several times in an interview and coming out after
Speaker 11: Israel's operation on the Hesbala terrorists with the page attack
Speaker 11: saying that Israel needs to be come under sanction for that,
Speaker 11: like she's inexcusable.
Speaker 1: No, you're quite right. Before we go winners and losers, Caroline, Oh.
Speaker 11: It's hard to pick a winner. I've got to say,
Speaker 11: Unfortunately Islamic Ji Hartes because they've convinced all these useful idiots,
Speaker 11: including Penny Wong, to get on their side. And my
Speaker 11: loser has to be the UK Prime Minister. He has
Speaker 11: done after calling hostages Israeli hostages sausages, now followed up
Speaker 11: by a story after the story of his grifting at
Speaker 11: one point Penthouse.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, isn't it, Michael, Your winner and loser of
Speaker 1: the week.
Speaker 12: The Australian Football League have had a great year and
Speaker 12: they'll have a great Grand Final on Saturday. It's a brilliant,
Speaker 12: brilliant competition and the AFL have done a fantastic job
Speaker 12: in entertaining many Australians during the year. I was going
Speaker 12: to say, key, you starmer for exactly the same reasons,
Speaker 12: but look without without betting, without betting an old drum
Speaker 12: Elbows had another shocker, so I think he'd have to.
Speaker 12: Here's the domestic loser of the week. I don't think
Speaker 12: anyone can surpass his failures during this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you both. We'll be having a sausage is all
Speaker 1: on the weekend for the Grand Final. I don't know
Speaker 1: that too, Kiyos Starmer will more after the break with
Speaker 1: Christy McSweeney and Kristin Abraham. Donald Trump got shot in
Speaker 1: the year apparently because the Secret Service were on the
Speaker 1: phone to tech support. Can you believe it that?
Speaker 13: More?
Speaker 1: After the break, Welcome back Caleb Bond in for Paul
Speaker 1: Murray tonight, let's continue the debate, joining me and our
Speaker 1: libertarian commentator Kristin Abraham and the PR Council's Christie McSweeney.
Speaker 1: Good to have you both out of Melbourne tonight. Now,
Speaker 1: the Secret Service, I think at every single turn, we
Speaker 1: keep seeing exactly how they bungled that attempted assassination of
Speaker 1: Donald Trump in Butler, Pennsylvania. And we find out today
Speaker 1: amongst a report that's been released by the Senate, and
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of stuff in here that is
Speaker 1: just thoroughly damning. They bungled it at every single point,
Speaker 1: including a drone that was sent up that could have
Speaker 1: spotted the shooter, did not go up because they were
Speaker 1: on the phone to a toll free tech support line
Speaker 1: to try to get the thing in the air. Christy McSweeney,
Speaker 1: how does this happen?
Speaker 7: What's tech supporting phoning a one eight hundred tech line?
Speaker 7: I mean, what's the Secret Service doing phoning tech support?
Speaker 7: Anyone who works in an office in a large corporation
Speaker 7: or the public services thinking, oh my goodness, not the
Speaker 7: Secret Service as well. They have to do battle with
Speaker 7: it to do their job too. This report has been
Speaker 7: significantly politicized. It was something that Republicans pushed for after
Speaker 7: the assassination attempt. They wanted to expose that it was
Speaker 7: some type of anti Trump racket, despite that civilians and
Speaker 7: first responders were fatally injured. So, yes, we can talk
Speaker 7: about the politicization of it, but the Secret Service not
Speaker 7: doing their job properly has put the lives of innocent people,
Speaker 7: with first responders at risk as well.
Speaker 1: Well. Not only at risk, people were killed there, and
Speaker 1: Kristen I can't get over. One of the other things
Speaker 1: that came out of this report is that they didn't
Speaker 1: even think the Secret Service, once they were made aware
Speaker 1: that there was a possible shooter on the scene, didn't
Speaker 1: even think to get Donald Trump off stage. The quote
Speaker 1: is it didn't cross my mind. I mean, isn't that
Speaker 1: the first thing that you were Secret Service agent? My
Speaker 1: job is to protect Donald Trump. Maybe I'll get him
Speaker 1: off the stage when there's an active shooter nearby.
Speaker 14: It blows my mind that it didn't cross their mind
Speaker 14: when that's exactly what they're hired to do. But this
Speaker 14: report just shows how inaccurate movies and TV shows are
Speaker 14: because the Secret Service is meant to be the epitome
Speaker 14: of you know, protection, and clearly it's just incompetence after incompetence,
Speaker 14: but anything, you know, I assume anything that the government
Speaker 14: touches turns to ineffective and inefficient. I have to ask
Speaker 14: myself it's either grossing competence or it's purposeful that this
Speaker 14: has happened. And why has Trump paid for private security?
Speaker 14: Because is he willing to bet his life that it's
Speaker 14: either grossing competence or deliberate And either way it's not great.
Speaker 1: Well, yes, I mean he ought to have more protection,
Speaker 1: but I mean, if that's the protection they're offering them,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure you'd take it up. It's not exactly
Speaker 1: like what was what was the Clint Eastwood film I
Speaker 1: think was it in the in the line of fire. Anyway,
Speaker 1: they just don't live up to it.
Speaker 13: To it.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about our mates over it. At the ABC.
Speaker 1: The new chairman, Kim Williams gave a speech last night
Speaker 1: at the Low Institute Media Awards and he spoke about
Speaker 1: fake news. We've got to drum out the fake news.
Speaker 1: Take a listen.
Speaker 6: Our younger journalists have a much more activist view of
Speaker 6: the role of journalism and a much more policy prosecutorial approach.
Speaker 6: Not only is it to be discouraged, it is to
Speaker 6: be ardently opposed.
Speaker 1: He's quite right in saying that. But I've yet to
Speaker 1: see any cleaning up actually be done at the ABC.
Speaker 1: Christy McSween him and we've been talking about Heston Russell.
Speaker 1: Of course we know about the nonsense they made up
Speaker 1: about Russian collusion with Trump etc. You want to look
Speaker 1: for places of fake news, the ABC is the halb
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 7: I keep saying it.
Speaker 15: Caleb.
Speaker 7: I grew up a regional Australian in the eighties. There's
Speaker 7: two channels, the ABC and basically anything that played football.
Speaker 7: And if it wasn't for the ABC in the regions,
Speaker 7: myself and thousands hundreds of thousands of other regional young
Speaker 7: Australians wouldn't have.
Speaker 1: Access to the world.
Speaker 7: So they do an amazing job in regional Australia their
Speaker 7: city news rooms, you know less reflecting the bastion of
Speaker 7: objective reporting that people in the regions come to depend
Speaker 7: on from the ABC. And for the CEO to sit
Speaker 7: there and first of all, you didn't play the part
Speaker 7: of the clip, but he spoke about fake news and
Speaker 7: this information which you mentioned, while he has this absolute
Speaker 7: scandal hanging over his own head at the ABC. There
Speaker 7: is not a politician or CEO a love who would
Speaker 7: do that, bar perhaps maybe Andrew Forrest in Australia to
Speaker 7: go and say that while you're under that type of investigation.
Speaker 7: It was incredible that he that he made that statement.
Speaker 1: I should point out Kim his chair and not CEO.
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, he's got control of the board, right,
Speaker 1: or at least he's president of the board. Yes, of course,
Speaker 1: so he should be more concerned about this stuff than
Speaker 1: anyone else. But you talk about the regional reporting, Christie
Speaker 1: and Kristen. I listened to the ABC because I figure
Speaker 1: you have to sort of pay attention to what the
Speaker 1: enemy is doing and what the competitor is doing, and
Speaker 1: they do do a lot of good work on regional radio,
Speaker 1: et cetera. But I was listening to the World Today
Speaker 1: during the week, which is midday every day on the ABC.
Speaker 1: We played this clip on the Lake Debate the other night.
Speaker 1: But the bit of regional reporting that they played there
Speaker 1: on Wednesday yesterday, I think it was was about a
Speaker 1: transgender op shop in Ballarat. I mean, if that's the
Speaker 1: sort of regional reporting we're getting out of the ABC
Speaker 1: at the moment, God help us.
Speaker 7: I'll give you that one pilot, all right, I'll give
Speaker 7: you that one.
Speaker 1: Go on, Christian.
Speaker 14: Yeah. I thought his comment was laughable, to be honest,
Speaker 14: because those young people at the ABC had to learn
Speaker 14: it from somewhere, and you were talking about a different
Speaker 14: segment that kind of sits under the ABC. Triple J,
Speaker 14: which is the youth broadcasting service, which also sits under
Speaker 14: the ABC. I'll read you a headline from twenty nineteen.
Speaker 14: It says a generational shift what Triple J overhaul means. Now,
Speaker 14: they cleaned out their thirty something year old hosts and
Speaker 14: they brought in a bunch of twenty something year old hosts.
Speaker 14: Now the one of the amazing hosts on there was
Speaker 14: Tom Tilley, and he was thirty seven years old. He
Speaker 14: ran an informative segment called Hack, which is meant to
Speaker 14: inform young people, and he showed both sides. He showed
Speaker 14: whether it was labor or liberal. He grilled both sides,
Speaker 14: whether a pro nuclear anti nuclear, grilled both sides. Now
Speaker 14: it's very one sided. But those twenty something year olds
Speaker 14: didn't give themselves the job. It was senior people within
Speaker 14: the company that said, hey, let's do this as part
Speaker 14: of the overhaul. And a fish rots from its head
Speaker 14: And it seems like to me Kim Williams was dodging
Speaker 14: a bus and it just happened to be young people
Speaker 14: that went under it for him.
Speaker 1: Well, Kim wasn't there at the time. But I mean,
Speaker 1: this has been going on for a long time now.
Speaker 1: I know Tom Tilly. I liked Tom Tilly. He was
Speaker 1: hard done by I think. But I'll tell you what,
Speaker 1: if the ABC wants someone in their twenties, give me
Speaker 1: a call, Let's negotiate. Let's see whether you're willing to
Speaker 1: Let's see my twenty there you go. Let's see if
Speaker 1: you can get some diverse voices. Quote unquote on the network. Now,
Speaker 1: of course we've got the AFL Grand Final on the weekend.
Speaker 1: I was talking about before you got the Sydney Swans
Speaker 1: the Brisbane Lines are going to face off. But Peter,
Speaker 1: the People for Ethical Treatment of Animals, can you believe it,
Speaker 1: have come out and said that the Western Bulldogs should
Speaker 1: change their name from the Western Bulldogs to the Western
Speaker 1: MutS because apparently, quote unquote the Western Bulldogs promotes breathing
Speaker 1: impaired dog breeds. Christy mcsweeteney, of all the things to
Speaker 1: worry about in the AFL, the Western Bulldogs gotta get
Speaker 1: rid of them, got to get rid of them?
Speaker 7: Well, it could catch on, Caleb, have you been out there? So?
Speaker 4: Look, I don't know.
Speaker 8: I think this is ridiculous.
Speaker 7: The Doggies are the Doggies, The Western Bulldogs are Western
Speaker 7: Bulldogs and that's the end of it. If anyone wants
Speaker 7: to mess with football fans in Melbourne, good luck to them.
Speaker 7: I don't think they're going to get very much support
Speaker 7: out there in Footscray or anywhere else west of Melbourne
Speaker 7: or the rest of Victoria.
Speaker 1: In answer to your question, have I been out there? Yes,
Speaker 1: I did go out there. When I lived in Melbourne.
Speaker 1: I did it twice, first and last time Christian Abraham
Speaker 1: Wuthering Heights. Right, there's going to be a new film
Speaker 1: adaptation of it. It's going to have Jacob Alrdie who
Speaker 1: is an Australian actor, Margot Robbie, of course Australian actress.
Speaker 1: But Jacob A. Lordie is going to be playing Heathcliff.
Speaker 1: And this has created a controversy because apparently Heathcliff, and
Speaker 1: it is written in Wuthering Heights that he has quote
Speaker 1: unquote dark skin. So there's all this uproar. How can
Speaker 1: a white man Jacob A. Lordie be playing Heathcliff. Now,
Speaker 1: my understanding of Wathering Heights is that it refers to
Speaker 1: him as being dark skinned because his character is generally
Speaker 1: dark and he's portrayed as a gypsy. He's not portrayed
Speaker 1: as a black man. God forbid a white man play
Speaker 1: this role like it has been done before Rape Fines,
Speaker 1: plenty of others have played it, but of course in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, White Man Bad.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 14: I'm not going to pretend that I have read the book,
Speaker 14: but generally, when you're talking about a book versus real life,
Speaker 14: you're comparing your imagination to the real world as well.
Speaker 14: But my understanding is the book has a racism theme
Speaker 14: and how racism impacts it. Sounds like this discourse is
Speaker 14: just a projection of that, to be completely.
Speaker 1: Honest, Indeed, winners and losers of the week, Christy.
Speaker 7: Oh, look, I think the winner of the week is
Speaker 7: the far right alternative dark web press that never gets
Speaker 7: an airing. But we've seen so much of it in
Speaker 7: the federal court this week in a defamation trial. I've
Speaker 7: never even heard of therese websites, so they are jumping
Speaker 7: up their currency. So that's a win for strange dark
Speaker 7: web media organizations getting an airing. And of course Jim Chalmers,
Speaker 7: how could we say that he's not the loser of
Speaker 7: the web as well on applying to Beijing and the
Speaker 7: Labor Party leaking left right and center, literally leaking left,
Speaker 7: trying to stitch him up while he was out of
Speaker 7: the country.
Speaker 1: Very good point, very quickly, yours, Kristin.
Speaker 14: It would have to be the winner. Peter Stefanovig for
Speaker 14: a ripper into This Morning with Anthony Albany is here
Speaker 14: and on the other food it's Anthony alban is he
Speaker 14: because that was a shocker.
Speaker 1: It certainly was Christy and Kristin. Thank you so much,
Speaker 1: don't go away, Megan Kelly coming up after the break well,
Speaker 1: Paul will be back on Sunday in Springvale in Melbourne
Speaker 1: for our town. I'm sure the joint will be jumping
Speaker 1: after the Grand Finals, so don't miss that, and don't
Speaker 1: miss the US Report tomorrow at eight pm. I'll be
Speaker 1: in for James Morrow with all the latest on the
Speaker 1: presidential election. Nor should you miss the Sunday show down
Speaker 1: at seven pm or the late Debate straight after this,
Speaker 1: which I'm usually on. I'm hosting every bloody show at
Speaker 1: the moment anyway. That's it from me. But before Paul
Speaker 1: took off he spoke to Meghan Kelly, which will bring
Speaker 1: to you now good night.
Speaker 13: The single best person will love to talk to each
Speaker 13: and every week is Megan Kelly.
Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 13: couple dressing this evening. What is this color of which
Speaker 13: we are currently enjoying?
Speaker 8: It's all the rage right now. I think it's cabernet.
Speaker 8: That's what I've heard it refer cabernet. So we're in
Speaker 8: a mood, which we always are. But if you want
Speaker 8: to be on point this season, this is the color
Speaker 8: that you need to wear.
Speaker 13: This is it. You know, we'll imagine I've got boat
Speaker 13: shoes underneath it. I'm very very on point all right now.
Speaker 13: Kamala Harris a big economic speech and she's going to
Speaker 13: have eighty different pages. I wonder how many will be pictures.
Speaker 13: But still, then she goes and does an interview the
Speaker 13: person who she's doing the interview with and we talk
Speaker 13: about home games. This is the ultimate home game. Is
Speaker 13: the lady who was on Bill Marshaw on Friday saying
Speaker 13: I need to ask a serious questions. That's the one
Speaker 13: who's going to be interviewing her lighta to die.
Speaker 8: Let's say you don't like her answer.
Speaker 15: Are you going to vote for Donald Trump?
Speaker 8: No, I'm not.
Speaker 15: I'm not running for perfect. She's running against Trump. We
Speaker 15: have two choices, and so there are some things you
Speaker 15: might not know her answer to. And in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 15: unlike twenty sixteen, for a lot of the American people,
Speaker 15: we know exactly what Trump will do, who he is,
Speaker 15: and the kind of threat he is to democracy.
Speaker 8: It's truly such a joke. It's such a joke. I
Speaker 8: guess this is how you get Kamala Harris to sit
Speaker 8: with you. You just say you don't have to ask
Speaker 8: her anything hard or serious. We actually don't really need
Speaker 8: to know her policy positions, so we're probably in store
Speaker 8: for another tell us, what brings you joy? How exciting
Speaker 8: is this for you? What's it like to think of
Speaker 8: yourself as the first female president. We're going to get
Speaker 8: a bunch of nonsense. And I'm sure this has been
Speaker 8: pre arranged between Stephanie Rule's camp, who, with all due
Speaker 8: respect to Stephanie Rule, is no one, I mean nobody.
Speaker 8: It's like, when you think of who am I going
Speaker 8: to sit with, you don't think, oh, Stephanie Rule. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 8: that's a possibility, Elver on MSNBC. You'd be thinking about
Speaker 8: Rachel Maddow or maybe even like Mourning Joe, But nobody's
Speaker 8: thinking about Stephanie Rule. So to me, it's pretty obvious
Speaker 8: that they either saw that interview or she'd been trying
Speaker 8: to get it, promising them no hard questions, and that's
Speaker 8: what letter to say that I'm Bill maher and that's
Speaker 8: how she got it. So it's a fail and we'll
Speaker 8: see maybe she'll surprise us all and ask us a
Speaker 8: hard question or two. What I'm noticing with Kamala Harris
Speaker 8: is even if you don't ask her a hard question,
Speaker 8: she fails. So either way, I'm in favor. Just get
Speaker 8: her talking more. Since she started talking, even the little
Speaker 8: tiny bit that she has, her numbers have started to fall.
Speaker 8: That's why the Democrats plan to keep her quiet and
Speaker 8: behind closed doors and only on script in front of others.
Speaker 8: Was a good one, but they're getting beaten for it,
Speaker 8: so they've got to put her out there a little bit.
Speaker 8: So it could be Stephanie Rule, could be sitting down
Speaker 8: with NBA players. That thing with Dana Bash was a
Speaker 8: debacle and her the enthusiasm, the Democratic enthusiasm since she
Speaker 8: started talking, has dropped five points. Paul so fine and
Speaker 8: by me, if it's Stephanie Rule or anybody be nicer
Speaker 8: if it were real journalists. But we'll take what we
Speaker 8: can get.
Speaker 13: As you know, there's like thirteen thousand poles a day
Speaker 13: that come out. Some are ludicrous, the state poles with
Speaker 13: a sample of you know, four people in their neighbor,
Speaker 13: Oh she's up or he's up. Then there's the more serious,
Speaker 13: more complicated ones, like a whole bunch of dropped in
Speaker 13: the past twenty four hours, and they kind of tell
Speaker 13: the same story, which is whatever backward steps we're in
Speaker 13: and around the debate, where now back to dead level
Speaker 13: or sometimes Trump winning nationally. If Trump is winning the
Speaker 13: popular vote, he's going to get all stipend in the
Speaker 13: swing states. She's done. So you like, what do you
Speaker 13: notice out of these things?
Speaker 8: It's good news for Trump. It definitely shows that there's
Speaker 8: more momentum on the GOP side, that whatever balance she
Speaker 8: got from being the subed in candidate and then that
Speaker 8: fawning fake DNC that we all watched and from the
Speaker 8: debate has been erased or muted because it's not being
Speaker 8: reflected in these poles. And you know, Trump now he's
Speaker 8: up four I think in he's up four or five
Speaker 8: in Arizona, he is up four or five in Georgia.
Speaker 8: It's tight in North Carolina, and this gubernatorial candidate who's
Speaker 8: currently the lieutenant governor, who's kind of a hot mess
Speaker 8: falling apart, is not going to help him. But I
Speaker 8: just have a tough time believing that North Carolina, which
Speaker 8: in its roots is read, is going to vote for
Speaker 8: Kamala Harris because of this guy Mark Robinson and his
Speaker 8: implosion at the gubernatorial level. I don't think he's going
Speaker 8: to win governor. But anyway, it's not great. But if
Speaker 8: you just look at sort of where the poles have
Speaker 8: gone now versus where they were in August, it's good
Speaker 8: news for Trump almost across the board, and nationally they're
Speaker 8: showing tied. Like you say, tide is huge for Trump.
Speaker 8: If you look back at the twenty twenty. Of course,
Speaker 8: all the posters got Trump wrong in sixteen by a lot,
Speaker 8: and then in twenty twenty they tried to adjust their
Speaker 8: numbers to try to learn from their mistake that they
Speaker 8: had been underestimating the Trump vote, and they still got
Speaker 8: Trump wrong. They underestimated him again. We went back and
Speaker 8: looked at the real Clear Politics numbers just for Pennsylvania
Speaker 8: in twenty twenty, and out of ten major polsters, two
Speaker 8: overestimated in favor of Trump Trafalgar and I think insider
Speaker 8: advantage and eight seriously overestimated for the Dems, including by
Speaker 8: like eight point five points percentage points. So they did
Speaker 8: not figure it out by twenty How to correct for
Speaker 8: undercounting Trump voters? And what reason do we have to
Speaker 8: believe that they figured it out by now? None? So
Speaker 8: anything close to a tie is very good news for Trump.
Speaker 8: If I if I could pick who I'd rather be
Speaker 8: right now, one hundred percent, I'd picked Trump.
Speaker 13: If you want to know that's happening in and around
Speaker 13: the election, the media that covers the election, and some
Speaker 13: common sense just to cut through the garbage. Megan Kelly,
Speaker 13: her show, The Meg and Kelly Show. You can find
Speaker 13: it on YouTube, you can get the podcast, or you
Speaker 13: can listen live now in Australia at Serious XM. Love
Speaker 13: Your Rockstar. And again I thought this was sort of mow,
Speaker 13: not mow.
Speaker 8: This was purple.
Speaker 13: But you know, I'll go with the cabinet. Cheers my Babin.
Speaker 8: I can't I can't believe how adorable we are. Cheers
Speaker 8: to you as well,