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Speaker 1: It's all fucking recruiting jail man. A lot of shits.

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Speaker 1: Like if you you know what you said, I'm not converting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, face a mains protection segregation. So segregation is like,

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Speaker 1: they're thinking constantly. Man. They're reading books, bro, some blocks.

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Speaker 1: They've read the brief of evidence that fucking half the

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Speaker 2: Have you ever has anyone ever tried to steak in

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Speaker 1: I said, listen, enjoy it. I don't want to see

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Speaker 1: your escorts. So that was tense. It was fucking tense,

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