Speaker 1: Better than the Lego, better than Leo. Yes, dogs were fantastic,
Speaker 1: really good. Tricky one for match because yesterday it was
Speaker 1: about Mitch Mitch Moses. I reckon, buy at halftime Mitch
Speaker 1: Moses had the new south Well seven jersey full time.
Speaker 2: What do you think I reckon he would have been
Speaker 2: disappointed just that he didn't put the game away. You know,
Speaker 2: you're up for eight, we're ten minutes ago. You just
Speaker 2: got to kick through the corner reever. But we spoke
Speaker 2: about before.
Speaker 3: That's the big men.
Speaker 2: You know, when you get that momentum with your big fellows,
Speaker 2: you've really got to put the nail on the coffin.
Speaker 2: I thought a couple of the options when they were
Speaker 2: down to twelve men the Bulldogs. You know, Mitch finds lane,
Speaker 2: Lane spills the beans, you know, the great opportunity. But
Speaker 2: maybe just play the percentage players. You can't give up
Speaker 2: more in those sort of areas. You've got to make
Speaker 2: them work. You've got to take the juice out of
Speaker 2: their tank. Another time, I think it was down like
Speaker 2: play two, they turn it over.
Speaker 3: I think maybe Junior Poulo. Yep, you just can't let
Speaker 3: sides off.
Speaker 2: And I reckon that would have probably been in the
Speaker 2: back of Matge's mind, like Queensland had an advantage against
Speaker 2: us and they made us pay. You know, watching that yesterday,
Speaker 2: how are we going to make Queensland pay from that?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: And I have a defense with Nicko Hines too. Nico's
Speaker 1: kicking let him down, noted about that. But you've got
Speaker 1: to consider sometimes do we forget the fact that Nicko
Speaker 1: was operating with twelve in a slide of twelve man
Speaker 1: never once in the game when they got thirty and
Speaker 1: you got twelve. And I'm speaking, you know, basics, thanks Scoop,
Speaker 1: but you never you never have a numerical advantage, and
Speaker 1: most of your sets will start in the middle field.
Speaker 1: You worked at the posts and you so that's where
Speaker 1: it all starts. And every single time you look it
Speaker 1: up and they've got five and you got four, I mean,
Speaker 1: what are you going to do? I have to say
Speaker 1: that because he's copped a fair bit.
Speaker 2: Nick and Maddie, I reckon we didn't help him out.
Speaker 2: It took us twenty twenty five minutes to adjust when.
Speaker 3: To put Steve right on the other side of the thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like that's where they were going.
Speaker 2: We should have knew like Nico, he's got those demons
Speaker 2: from Game one last year defending it right center. Yep,
Speaker 2: why wouldn't we help the bloke out put our best?
Speaker 1: Like Steve Krome may what a player mate, his strength
Speaker 1: to strength, you know what? A couple of things with Crichton.
Speaker 1: I really like it. Like he's just about the best
Speaker 1: defensive I've never seen a better defensive center. I mean
Speaker 1: Steve Rodgers growing up as a kid watching sludge as
Speaker 1: a defensive center was incredible. Ruben WICKI was great defender,
Speaker 1: scary when he played in the centers. Crichton's decision making
Speaker 1: and he's just second or none and he can hold
Speaker 1: a defensive pattern. But also he allows himself his instincts.
Speaker 1: Hence he picks off intercepts and gay.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like he defends in between, but then
Speaker 2: nine times out of ten he makes the right decision.
Speaker 2: Like I've never defended out why and I don't want
Speaker 2: to because it's a scary place. Cobbo looked like he
Speaker 2: was just shut down completely when he was there, Like
Speaker 2: some of the bootleg tackles mate remarkable.
Speaker 1: The other thing I like about him is strength, Like
Speaker 1: is lead ship and his strength to personality. He came
Speaker 1: on the show on a Sunday night a beit a
Speaker 1: month ago, him and Jacob kraz Jacob what a lovely bloke.
Speaker 1: Jacobs sitting there, you know, and he's a young guy,
Speaker 1: and we're asking questions. I'm asking questions at the two
Speaker 1: of them, and Steve sort of pausing a little bit
Speaker 1: after I answered a few, waiting for Jacob to kick
Speaker 1: in and he's having to answer it anyway. At one
Speaker 1: point we went to some I asked the question. Steve
Speaker 1: started talking and we went to some vision and he
Speaker 1: slapped Jacob on the arm and said, you' pick up
Speaker 1: yeahttle bit, that's right.
Speaker 3: I was sort of question mark, why is he captain?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: Then started the year made He's pasted every test. He's
Speaker 2: been absolutely unbelieve I actually tossed him up he could
Speaker 2: beat and so I was captain when they hadn't made
Speaker 2: Jakie captain because the job he's done at Canterbury it's unbelievable.
Speaker 1: He's been brilliant. I'm really happy for the dogs too.
Speaker 1: I love the way they play. They've got a smaller
Speaker 1: pack of forwards, but they now how to make it work,
Speaker 1: you know, to play with a little bit of subtlety
Speaker 1: staying odin for one second. Okay, the SWI you send off,
Speaker 1: it was to send off, isn't it about that? Cooper
Speaker 1: said to me last week and he said, you know,
Speaker 1: how would you defend Rhys Walsh? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: you don't compress and slide out because you're making a
Speaker 1: foot race. You going to burn you. You've got to
Speaker 1: defend him outside in. But we see defending outside in
Speaker 1: as high risk. There's not a lot of there's not
Speaker 1: a lot of room for error. Yeah, you've got to
Speaker 1: sort of bend that back a little bit.
Speaker 2: Noticed where I've watched the replays of it, Maddie, he
Speaker 2: was in control into that last second when he dips
Speaker 2: his head. Yeah, that turns it from like careless to
Speaker 2: reckless and that's probably where he's let himself down. But
Speaker 2: like you said, a blowerve Reese Walsh, he's that scary
Speaker 2: to defend because as a middle you've got to get
Speaker 2: up and squeeze him. But then because he just burns
Speaker 2: you nine times out of ten, the outside I've got
Speaker 2: to come in and make a decision, like you said,
Speaker 2: if they don't shut him down.
Speaker 1: For him personally, what I really missed when he got
Speaker 1: sent off as a rugby league fan was when he
Speaker 1: had that first touch of the football, that first run
Speaker 1: he did and just tapped and went and just went
Speaker 1: straight at Tommy did And. I turned to your mate
Speaker 1: Cooper John's and said to him, at the end of
Speaker 1: eighty minutes, this kid's going to be a superstar. You know.
Speaker 3: I love about him. Look at his size.
Speaker 1: Look at that bush.
Speaker 3: That's like, that's not easy.
Speaker 2: He's running into three men isolates Tommy did in there
Speaker 2: and look finds his front.
Speaker 3: That's what you want from the start to see.
Speaker 2: I original would have had him at wing, yeah, because
Speaker 2: it just sort of it just dulls down. Is what
Speaker 2: he's got to worry about in the game. I just
Speaker 2: want you to carry every time I reckon. He's had
Speaker 2: a great game for the Roosters. He's been a winger
Speaker 2: and he's just so hard to handle. For me origin
Speaker 2: outside back. You need big bodies slogs to can leap
Speaker 2: and get you out of trouble. But I thought that
Speaker 2: that statement in that first carry. I was like, this
Speaker 2: is going to be a big eighty minutes for did.
Speaker 3: And and they're lucky.
Speaker 1: Woulds he your big oragin moments.
Speaker 2: Well, mate, the first origin moment for me obviously we
Speaker 2: were sort of dominating in the possession. It was just
Speaker 2: after I think it was just before Swali did this
Speaker 2: end off.
Speaker 3: Last play option.
Speaker 2: Nicka Heines goes that line and does does something doesn't
Speaker 2: usually do a left foot grubber yep, just rolls a
Speaker 2: little bit dead and they get a twenty meut restart.
Speaker 2: But from that twenty met to restart, they get a
Speaker 2: couple of quick rucks. You know, Cherry Evans, I've heard
Speaker 2: you talk about before with Cooper, like at training when
Speaker 2: we train he chairs, you don't know what he's going
Speaker 2: to do. When he goes dummy half he'll show.
Speaker 3: To come out you're dummy, He'll come back.
Speaker 2: But the two veterans, Cherry Evans and Hunt, they just
Speaker 2: know each other's game inside out and they just if.
Speaker 3: You watch Ben, he just keeps moving forward.
Speaker 2: Cherry goes down a short side, steps back and he
Speaker 2: sort of just throwzer Hawl Mary offload. But he knows
Speaker 2: there's a combination they've had over time with Ben Hunt
Speaker 2: just go straight through and that just that is so.
Speaker 1: True about Ben Hunt and you're seeing because that's trademark.
Speaker 1: Cherry isn't scoop and I've seen him. I've seen him
Speaker 1: go down two men to short sides where there's no
Speaker 1: new miraicle event. He just scoops and goes down, goes
Speaker 1: I'm running down a cold to sack you, and then
Speaker 1: just turns and wanders back and field.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it train all the time, Maddie, Like we've got
Speaker 2: like hub Blokeslot Nathan Brown allout trying to call the
Speaker 2: set up plays, you know, try to bring Brooks into
Speaker 2: the game and you just see chairs, you'll scoop it up.
Speaker 2: You think they're going to go the markers, go the open.
Speaker 2: Then he goes down to short side and then he'll
Speaker 2: look like he's going to throw and then he'll just
Speaker 2: drop Homoli underneath. And it's just like mate, like I said,
Speaker 2: there's no number of.
Speaker 3: Eni there at all.
Speaker 1: Other big moments, the second one was.
Speaker 3: So they lose.
Speaker 2: Whereas Walsh, you've got someone like the big Hemmer. He
Speaker 2: hasn't done much training at fullback for Queensland to position
Speaker 2: himself to stop Spencer Lenu from scoring that try.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you.
Speaker 2: Think about that, right, Nicko, Heines probably hasn't had the
Speaker 2: greatest start of the game. Yep, he sets up that
Speaker 2: little play for lend you on the inside. I think
Speaker 2: it's that could create a little bit momentum for Nicko.
Speaker 2: But what it does is like, mate, we can't score
Speaker 2: against these bloke. They just keep turning up.
Speaker 1: Yeah they do, aren't they? And it's just was Yeah,
Speaker 1: without a doubt, it was God, he had some sort
Speaker 1: of game, unbelievable chess mant of the match. I got
Speaker 1: to say, all to give it to Hemma. So three tries,
Speaker 1: try saver, three tri cysts and then mate the last one.
Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of people speak about it. I
Speaker 3: think it was.
Speaker 2: You know, Nicko has a great kick, you know, goes
Speaker 2: to kick for the forty twenty, looks like it's on,
Speaker 2: gets a great bounce, but they just somehow recover it.
Speaker 3: Yep, I think it was David.
Speaker 1: Yes, the back knocks the back.
Speaker 2: We thought it was out, but it was clearly knocked
Speaker 2: back in.
Speaker 3: It was a great play.
Speaker 2: Three plays later, Cherry Errands just creates a little bit
Speaker 2: option sees Lomacs out of position.
Speaker 1: Throughout origin history. Well certainly certainly you know during that
Speaker 1: amazing run they have of wins the thing that turns.
Speaker 1: How they turn the momentum of the contest is that kick,
Speaker 1: that early kick and chase and what's interesting there. We
Speaker 1: always talk about state of origin. You've got to play
Speaker 1: the full lady. Well, it's not necessarily meaning you're in
Speaker 1: a play. Yeah, you've got to last to the eightieth minute.
Speaker 1: It's you can't take a rest and they'll recognize it.
Speaker 1: What you see there is we get where she enjoyed
Speaker 1: a bit of a sentence there watching and going a secret.
Speaker 1: This could be one of the greatest upsets we get
Speaker 1: twenty to sixteen. We got the ascendancy. We're going at
Speaker 1: him and you just see our back three, just take
Speaker 1: a little bit of take a breath and he recognizes.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 2: But it happened when I play when they won the
Speaker 2: eight series, right, we used to have a course Smith
Speaker 2: it means he'd kick and it'll always be when they
Speaker 2: set up right side of the field because he had
Speaker 2: a great left foot yep. But then we were sort
Speaker 2: of putting the black there. But then Smith being the
Speaker 2: genius is he can just hook it back. But you
Speaker 2: do it at moments when you where we've got full
Speaker 2: momentum and what it would be right, Cooper, Kank would
Speaker 2: stay flat JT. You know Chambers, they just had that
Speaker 2: nap of reading camera Smith well and that kicked along.
Speaker 3: Mate, took us three places again.
Speaker 1: That's you're going. You're going, you know, upfielled me and
Speaker 1: Miles now in defense and all of a sudden he
Speaker 1: goes bang, not at sixty meters down.
Speaker 2: And then we forced we come up with an error
Speaker 2: or something and they go, how we in this position again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: I know. I tell you what. One thing, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 1: bring the rock star in Latrell. Mitchell got to read
Speaker 1: him in, Mate, like the bigger the stage.
Speaker 3: Mate.
Speaker 1: He's got presence and Latrell. It's just got that rock
Speaker 1: star superstar mentality. You know. He can elevate himself and
Speaker 1: will elevate himself. He'll be right after the change. It's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 1: when you talk about players who can do that, the
Speaker 1: one that comes to mind was a bloke who I'm
Speaker 1: related to, Andrew. Really, I said, right altitude not talking
Speaker 1: to it. That's melted a little bit. Like if we
Speaker 1: talk about two thousand and five, that comeback he did.
Speaker 1: It was interesting when you look at what led up
Speaker 1: to it. So two thousand and forwards. He did his
Speaker 1: acl missed a lot of time out of football, and
Speaker 1: fair to say that Joey wouldn't have been the perfect patient.
Speaker 1: His social life probably elevated a little bit so when
Speaker 1: he came back in two thousand, just a little bit
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, he was terrible. His leg had
Speaker 1: no power in it. I remember once they played a
Speaker 1: game against Canberra. They got boot and I didn't see
Speaker 1: the game somewhere and phone rings and I was thinking
Speaker 1: the games it's not finished anyway. The game had literally finished.
Speaker 1: He walked straight off the field, picked up his phone,
Speaker 1: rang me and said, I'm quitting. I've lost it. Really,
Speaker 1: I never knew I could play so bad, you know,
Speaker 1: it was the emotion on it. But it was in
Speaker 1: what happened the following week. It might have been the
Speaker 1: following week of the week after, I'm not sure. Which
Speaker 1: turned out to be a blessing in this guy's He
Speaker 1: broke his playing the Warriors and broke his jaw and
Speaker 1: went off the field, and what he did, he was
Speaker 1: out for about I think he was about five weeks.
Speaker 1: That five weeks. The Knights immediately send him up to
Speaker 1: the Queencine Institute of Sport and they just worked on
Speaker 1: them there at the time. I think Kelvin Giles was there,
Speaker 1: who's like the godfather of strength and conditioning in Australia
Speaker 1: and some other guys. They've done a lot of really
Speaker 1: great work of people recovering from a CL's. So they
Speaker 1: sent him up there and when I saw him after
Speaker 1: he came back, I couldn't believe how fit he looked.
Speaker 1: They just tortured him and worked him hard. He looked
Speaker 1: rock hard fit. His first game Backwoods, he I believe
Speaker 1: was I think might have been the might have been
Speaker 1: the opening A son caught stadium again. Bronco has gone
Speaker 1: back there. He led the Knights to a win and
Speaker 1: Joey just carved him up. But they didn't pick him
Speaker 1: for state of origin going into game too. They picked
Speaker 1: Bass I think it was trmparent and he strained a
Speaker 1: quad in training.
Speaker 3: Because that was the back of the Naughty intercept Naughty.
Speaker 1: In a set, and then they went Joey, he's not ready.
Speaker 1: They went with Trent who tweaked his quad and Ricky said, no,
Speaker 1: I need you to be training. So who were going
Speaker 1: to bring in and take a chance on Joey and Hind.
Speaker 1: It's all the story that when he came into training
Speaker 1: everything changed. He walked into training directing everyone around and
Speaker 1: he said, mate, I just I couldn't believe the control
Speaker 1: he had, and he said, I never knew football could
Speaker 1: be so organized and so easy. Now on that night
Speaker 1: he went out there and I was a little bit
Speaker 1: nervous as a family member. Gown.
Speaker 3: You can interview him on the bus.
Speaker 1: That was a test match. Yeah, he just completely completely
Speaker 1: carved him up one of the great origin games. And
Speaker 1: what it was was he was his ability to elevate
Speaker 1: himself emotionally. When players aren't great, players aren't in great form,
Speaker 1: you pick them. And that's where Queensland don't make that
Speaker 1: mistake he's seen for years and pick blow and they
Speaker 1: put the jersey on and they elevate.
Speaker 3: For me with the trills. It's his arrogance, but in
Speaker 3: a good way.
Speaker 2: Yes, Like I hate playing against him because you know,
Speaker 2: when you've got to tackle him, he's got these the
Speaker 2: great reach and like when you're on the ground, he'll
Speaker 2: hold you getting up and he'll just cross that line yep.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what we lacked a little bit, Yeah,
Speaker 2: just a little bit of the physicality and you watch
Speaker 2: if someone comes near him on that it will be
Speaker 2: left edge. If I'd have him at left center, Yep,
Speaker 2: they're right mate. He'll make a statement early on, you know.
Speaker 2: And he's a guy that you can't just go you know, Cobber,
Speaker 2: you will just be able to defend. No, No, you've got
Speaker 2: to have a couple on him. He has that presence. Well,
Speaker 2: he has that fear and that's when it brings in
Speaker 2: the likes of Well depends if they pick Mitchell Moses
Speaker 2: you can bring the show and go because you got
Speaker 2: they're all the threats with Latrell, or you can use
Speaker 2: the outside man.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and then you go to Latrell. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean look at the combination. Yeah, we talk about
Speaker 1: great combinations as far as state of origin. You got
Speaker 1: Jeene Miles and Melvininger like imagine you know the New
Speaker 1: South Wales with galling about Miles and Meninga like what
Speaker 1: are you going to do here?
Speaker 3: Mate?
Speaker 1: Crighton and Latrell Mitchell talking about presence that that's red hot.
Speaker 2: When we speak about Latrell, did you watch him on
Speaker 2: the weekend? Yes, it was incredible, it was different.
Speaker 1: I was at I was at the Fortune of War
Speaker 1: at the pub at the Rocks, and I sat there,
Speaker 1: I had a skin, I had the pan of paper
Speaker 1: in front of me and knocking notes down and remember
Speaker 1: people looking going and it was just bloke and mate
Speaker 1: when he did that free center canear when he went
Speaker 1: bush and then just went pop to see a big
Speaker 1: man like that was such beautiful soft hands. I stood
Speaker 1: and applauded. A couple of old people next ton the
Speaker 1: next table just went what about that? It was just
Speaker 1: incredible performance.
Speaker 2: And he's got that instinct too. Like you know, we
Speaker 2: speak about Crichton with intercept. Latrell knows the right. He's
Speaker 2: been a great system the Roosters. He was unbelieva. We're
Speaker 2: best in in the competition for that period of time.
Speaker 2: And like I said to you, he can ball play
Speaker 2: goalkicker as well, and if you want, you can find
Speaker 2: in the middle and do the torpedoes.
Speaker 1: And mate, he's got great instincts he does. So what
Speaker 1: what you do with Latrell. I mean, have a look
Speaker 1: at the year that we had Tom Travoid Bitch and Latrell,
Speaker 1: and what they would do is the old fashion work
Speaker 1: the ball toward a sideline to a scrum line and
Speaker 1: let them sweep and go together. And now Crichton and Latrell,
Speaker 1: both of them great instinctive players. That would be a
Speaker 1: huge weapon.
Speaker 2: You know when they always at the old champions saying
Speaker 2: you just keep knocking the mate, he would love this moment.
Speaker 2: Get that up. Years I've still got it. And he's
Speaker 2: not playing fullback. He doesn't have to do as much work.
Speaker 2: Try you know, he can just be so solid, say.
Speaker 3: I come in.
Speaker 2: We don't want him to play. You know, the yard
Speaker 2: is carriers. We've got the low maaxes. You know, we've
Speaker 2: got those bogs to do that when we're down a
Speaker 2: good board, we need to have.
Speaker 3: A bit of threat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and he and Madge, like Madge needs to stop
Speaker 1: communicating to Latrell through the media. Just ring mate. I
Speaker 1: tell what I'd be doing, mate, I would be hopping
Speaker 1: in the car. I'd have in my left hand, I'd
Speaker 1: have the Blues jersey and the pedal would be to
Speaker 1: the medal. And I'm going straight to his house and
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Latrell, I'm not leaving here until you give
Speaker 1: me the assurance.
Speaker 3: I need you. I need you. You're our mamn, Benji.
Speaker 1: Have you spoke to Benji in FG?
Speaker 3: Yes, said mate, I give him heads up you know
Speaker 3: coming after. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Look, he's a different cat to what other coaches are.
Speaker 2: He's not a Craig Bellamy. You know, Des has a
Speaker 2: million mile, twenty five hours you know, seven days.
Speaker 3: A week coach. He likes to have that little bit
Speaker 3: of a luxury. It's the way he played like he's
Speaker 3: a gambler.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: He'll have his set ups, like he's got his foundation
Speaker 3: and what he wants to do, but.
Speaker 2: He'll always risk it, you know, those type of blokes.
Speaker 2: Look he is to say he's a little bit frustrated.
Speaker 2: I think he wouldn't want ten losses in a row, Maddie,
Speaker 2: Like it'd be killing him. He's an Absolutely, he's a competitor.
Speaker 2: He's not just a bloke that sort of just goes
Speaker 2: through emotions and comes up with his flick bass. He
Speaker 2: used to practice that NonStop a trainer, but he was
Speaker 2: huge on those. Like we had little games where would
Speaker 2: bring his style into play. He'd be few of the mouth,
Speaker 2: like he'd be absolutely ropable with losing. But I just
Speaker 2: think it's the little parts of his games, like you know,
Speaker 2: of what he's trying to coach these boys, Like I
Speaker 2: watched on the weekend, and yeah, they were told to offload,
Speaker 2: but they tried to offload it absolutely every opportunity. And
Speaker 2: there's one moment they made it sort of a little
Speaker 2: line break down the left edge early on the game
Speaker 2: and sim well if anyone play one tries to flick
Speaker 2: it back in when the Dragons are at sixes and sevens.
Speaker 1: It's funny the message when you've got a young team
Speaker 1: you say, right, let's to play a bit of football.
Speaker 1: What that message the young players get for them? That's
Speaker 1: for a lot of young players, that's the license to
Speaker 1: start to do. These ones that and they're not a
Speaker 1: football side they can do that. They haven't got the
Speaker 1: quality to be able to well, their defense is not
Speaker 1: good enough woodsy to absorb the errors that sort of
Speaker 1: football brings. What's really important for the Tigers is just
Speaker 1: a little ticker of mindset watching how they played against
Speaker 1: the Dragons. They obviously went out there, Full credit to
Speaker 1: them to say we're going to get out there to
Speaker 1: win this game. We're going to go with them when
Speaker 1: you say, boys, we need to win this game, We're
Speaker 1: going to win win win. For younger players, that's pressure
Speaker 1: to focusing on the scoreboard and trying to win. If
Speaker 1: I was Benji, I just I just change the mindset.
Speaker 1: I'll just say, boys, right, let's sit in the room.
Speaker 1: We're going to make our side a really hard side
Speaker 1: to play again and a hard side to beat. Yep,
Speaker 1: And that's a different mindset you would see.
Speaker 3: You know who's done that. The Bulldogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't get those wins early on in the season.
Speaker 2: They pushed the Sharks and you know they pushed good sides.
Speaker 2: But now they're getting reward for the effort and defensive
Speaker 2: because teams know they're that hard to score against. Now
Speaker 2: they're coming up with a bit of combination with that.
Speaker 2: You know how dangerous they left edge fully fit. It's
Speaker 2: I think there's bettle edge in the competition of.
Speaker 3: Them not at all, and that's what the Tiger's gonna build.
Speaker 2: I know Tigers have got They've got claim Out, they've
Speaker 2: got Bateman, they've got Papa LEAs, there's three big middles.
Speaker 3: But you just need blokes that it's going to work.
Speaker 2: Hard defensively, like the best one I reckon at the
Speaker 2: moment he played origin camera Mcinness He's a little body
Speaker 2: but got what you get out of him. He keeps
Speaker 2: the ruck tight, he generates quick play of the ball.
Speaker 2: His effort areas are phenomenal every week. Yeah, they need
Speaker 2: it for me. They need to sign someone that's big
Speaker 2: on effort areas Xoos energy like Cronulla signed dlphin Kane
Speaker 2: new con Sorry yep, and yeah he was at the
Speaker 2: back end of his contract. But what he brought to
Speaker 2: the training ethic. You know what he's instilled in the
Speaker 2: young players. From what I've heard from all the boys,
Speaker 2: it's the work off the field that he's done for
Speaker 2: the club that's been phenomenal.
Speaker 1: It's so true. Sometimes there's players right at the end
Speaker 1: of their career and a club will buy them. People go,
Speaker 1: he's gone. It's not about what he gives a team
Speaker 1: on a Sunday, It's about what he gives them from Monday,
Speaker 1: preparation through.
Speaker 3: It's teaching these young kids how to prepare for first grade.
Speaker 1: Teach him how to win.
Speaker 2: And he's been in two great systems in the Bulldogs
Speaker 2: in Melbourne Storm.
Speaker 1: I want to talk about young bloke who I loves football.
Speaker 1: He looks he's an old fashioned ball player. He reminds
Speaker 1: me a lot of Way Graham when he first came through.
Speaker 1: That's lucky Galvin, big body. Yeah, is the manager playing
Speaker 1: silly buggers here.
Speaker 3: I feel for him because he's still got two years
Speaker 3: left on his contract, Mattie. So for me, if I'm the.
Speaker 2: Club, I'm digging the hills in because this kid's got
Speaker 2: I believe he's going to be a talent yep, you know,
Speaker 2: and if he wants to learn to be a five eight,
Speaker 2: he's got one of the best five eights of all
Speaker 2: time as his head coach. I know you're in a
Speaker 2: tough period where you're losing. It's Benji's first ever coaching gig,
Speaker 2: so he's still going to learn. They're both learning themselves.
Speaker 2: But what for me is Benji showed a lot of
Speaker 2: faith in him. He's elevating him straight to the starting
Speaker 2: spot from round one. You're going to have moments in
Speaker 2: your crew. You know, it's like made the best thing
Speaker 2: is experienced on the field course of this and he's
Speaker 2: only played ten games.
Speaker 3: Just cool your jets a.
Speaker 1: Little bit, spot on. Now. He's a young guy, and
Speaker 1: I understand losing hurts, but mate, don't be that guy, not.
Speaker 3: At this point. I've been through these this experience before.
Speaker 2: Like I was off contract, you know, I didn't have
Speaker 2: your years remaining my contract, and I sort of, you know,
Speaker 2: I took an option to go elsewhere. Lucky, the grass
Speaker 2: isn't always greener. On the other side, I had the
Speaker 2: worst twelve months of my life. I wasn't ready for
Speaker 2: what was going to come, Like scrutiny from the media.
Speaker 2: People didn't know the full story. Clubs just relay the
Speaker 2: message they want out there, which could be at the
Speaker 2: moment he could be getting a different message from his
Speaker 2: manager to what the Tigers is bringing in. And then
Speaker 2: the other thing. The worst thing for me was when
Speaker 2: the fans booed me at the game. And this kid's eighteen.
Speaker 2: I was twenty six at the time. I would hate
Speaker 2: him go through that period because it sucked. You know,
Speaker 2: you're at their bust in your backside and fans are
Speaker 2: doing you and they go number eight.
Speaker 3: What club was that?
Speaker 1: Was that?
Speaker 3: This is Tigers? When I was leaving Tigers Dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, And I hadn't even made my decision up yet,
Speaker 2: so God knows what the Tigers fans are going through
Speaker 2: at the moment, you know. And for me, if they
Speaker 2: let this kid go, this could be another huge setback
Speaker 2: and could put him back five years.
Speaker 1: And the thing but it is for Lockee at this
Speaker 1: and now this sounds strange for Lockey at this point
Speaker 1: in his career. It's not about wins. It's about experience.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this would see. I think he'll
Speaker 1: learn a lot more from what he's part of at
Speaker 1: the moment than him just strolling into a top four side.
Speaker 2: I think at the moment, he's a kid playing first
Speaker 2: grade and you you know, like when you have set
Speaker 2: up plays, you've got to play director to play straight.
Speaker 2: A lot of the times Lockie runs across field comes
Speaker 2: back just creeping for a space, and you don't just
Speaker 2: get that one space just from like crapping across field.
Speaker 3: You've got to break teams down. And that's what he
Speaker 3: needs to learn.
Speaker 2: And Mate, if he can learn how to break teams down, Mate,
Speaker 2: I honestly believe he could be the factor with Tigers
Speaker 2: coming up the ladder by.
Speaker 1: Far yes, well, I mean the cavalry is on the way, Jerome.
Speaker 1: I love the scene with him, and that's right, like
Speaker 1: it's almost like okay, I understand, like you I understand
Speaker 1: what you're going through. You're a kid that's had a
Speaker 1: lot of success as schoolboy football and now all of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're fulfilling a dream, but you're only a
Speaker 1: lot of flaudings. I understand how hard that is.
Speaker 2: But just hang in there, mate, Jerome, just hang in
Speaker 2: At Penrith, that's lean years early on that they did.
Speaker 2: And when Ivan first went back there, yep, they didn't
Speaker 2: even make the eight right down the bottom. So he
Speaker 2: could teach him. And he's been a five eight for
Speaker 2: how long Jerome like the last eight years. He could
Speaker 2: teach him the best aspects because you see now when
Speaker 2: Jerome has to control a game, ok, and that's when
Speaker 2: he's playing.
Speaker 3: Better he does.
Speaker 1: I think part of the reason he went to the
Speaker 1: Tigers is he wants to stand up on his own
Speaker 1: accord and say, hey, I've stepped out of this great system.
Speaker 1: But look at me g and he'd be encouraged now
Speaker 1: looking at Stephen Crichton.
Speaker 3: And then that's what lucky, because he's got a thing.
Speaker 2: He said, well, I've got this great player coming to
Speaker 2: Ruver's coming as well.
Speaker 3: He's been a good system. I've got to learn so
Speaker 3: much of these blogs.
Speaker 1: Still to learn off too, Harry Grant were Harry went,
Speaker 1: Let's remember he's struck behind Cameron Smith and they struck
Speaker 1: that girl. And he went to the Tigers, and Tigers
Speaker 1: that they haven't you know when Harry's inconsistencies again, mate,
Speaker 1: he just bustes us the whole time. I don't think
Speaker 1: Tiger's fans will ever forget what he did for that
Speaker 1: club and how hard he fought.
Speaker 3: No way, and I knew the other thing.
Speaker 2: It's the experience that he's learned being in that sort
Speaker 2: of a side to what Melbourne's is. The different systems
Speaker 2: I reckon. Actually both parties got so much out of it.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 2: Him and he played with Benji that period of time too,
Speaker 2: so he got to play another great.
Speaker 3: Player that he's seen a lot of time.
Speaker 2: And then going back to Melbourne and saying well, this
Speaker 2: is what didn't work, this is what did work at Tigers,
Speaker 2: and then taking those little experiences to Melbourne Wood.
Speaker 1: I enjoyed that today.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I should have introduced off the top and explain why
Speaker 1: here is because Cooper couldn't be here because he had
Speaker 1: square dancing school at some level, and what a squere
Speaker 1: danced the bottle White. I love him to it. You
Speaker 1: should see they's feet. They just dazzled. M hm