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Speaker 1: Better than the Lego, better than Leo. Yes, dogs were fantastic,

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Speaker 1: really good. Tricky one for match because yesterday it was

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Speaker 1: about Mitch Mitch Moses. I reckon, buy at halftime Mitch

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Speaker 1: Moses had the new south Well seven jersey full time.

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Speaker 2: What do you think I reckon he would have been

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Speaker 2: disappointed just that he didn't put the game away. You know,

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Speaker 2: you're up for eight, we're ten minutes ago. You just

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Speaker 2: got to kick through the corner reever. But we spoke

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Speaker 2: about before.

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Speaker 3: That's the big men.

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Speaker 2: You know, when you get that momentum with your big fellows,

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Speaker 2: you've really got to put the nail on the coffin.

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Speaker 2: I thought a couple of the options when they were

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Speaker 2: down to twelve men the Bulldogs. You know, Mitch finds lane,

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Speaker 2: Lane spills the beans, you know, the great opportunity. But

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Speaker 2: maybe just play the percentage players. You can't give up

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Speaker 2: more in those sort of areas. You've got to make

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Speaker 2: them work. You've got to take the juice out of

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Speaker 2: their tank. Another time, I think it was down like

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Speaker 2: play two, they turn it over.

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Speaker 3: I think maybe Junior Poulo. Yep, you just can't let

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Speaker 3: sides off.

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Speaker 2: And I reckon that would have probably been in the

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Speaker 2: back of Matge's mind, like Queensland had an advantage against

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Speaker 2: us and they made us pay. You know, watching that yesterday,

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Speaker 2: how are we going to make Queensland pay from that?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: And I have a defense with Nicko Hines too. Nico's

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Speaker 1: kicking let him down, noted about that. But you've got

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Speaker 1: to consider sometimes do we forget the fact that Nicko

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Speaker 1: was operating with twelve in a slide of twelve man

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Speaker 1: never once in the game when they got thirty and

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Speaker 1: you got twelve. And I'm speaking, you know, basics, thanks Scoop,

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Speaker 1: but you never you never have a numerical advantage, and

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Speaker 1: most of your sets will start in the middle field.

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Speaker 1: You worked at the posts and you so that's where

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Speaker 1: it all starts. And every single time you look it

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Speaker 1: up and they've got five and you got four, I mean,

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Speaker 1: that because he's copped a fair bit.

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Speaker 2: Nick and Maddie, I reckon we didn't help him out.

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Speaker 2: It took us twenty twenty five minutes to adjust when.

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Speaker 3: To put Steve right on the other side of the thing. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: like that's where they were going.

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Speaker 2: We should have knew like Nico, he's got those demons

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Speaker 2: from Game one last year defending it right center. Yep,

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Speaker 2: why wouldn't we help the bloke out put our best?

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Speaker 1: Like Steve Krome may what a player mate, his strength

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Speaker 1: to strength, you know what? A couple of things with Crichton.

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Speaker 1: I really like it. Like he's just about the best

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Speaker 1: defensive I've never seen a better defensive center. I mean

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Speaker 1: Steve Rodgers growing up as a kid watching sludge as

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Speaker 1: a defensive center was incredible. Ruben WICKI was great defender,

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Speaker 1: scary when he played in the centers. Crichton's decision making

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Speaker 1: and he's just second or none and he can hold

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Speaker 1: a defensive pattern. But also he allows himself his instincts.

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Speaker 1: Hence he picks off intercepts and gay.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of like he defends in between, but then

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Speaker 2: nine times out of ten he makes the right decision.

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Speaker 2: Like I've never defended out why and I don't want

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Speaker 2: to because it's a scary place. Cobbo looked like he

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Speaker 2: was just shut down completely when he was there, Like

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Speaker 2: some of the bootleg tackles mate remarkable.

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Speaker 1: The other thing I like about him is strength, Like

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Speaker 1: is lead ship and his strength to personality. He came

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Speaker 1: month ago, him and Jacob kraz Jacob what a lovely bloke.

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Speaker 1: Jacobs sitting there, you know, and he's a young guy,

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Speaker 1: and we're asking questions. I'm asking questions at the two

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Speaker 1: after I answered a few, waiting for Jacob to kick

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Speaker 3: I was sort of question mark, why is he captain?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: Then started the year made He's pasted every test. He's

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Speaker 2: been absolutely unbelieve I actually tossed him up he could

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Speaker 2: Jakie captain because the job he's done at Canterbury it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 1: He's been brilliant. I'm really happy for the dogs too.

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Speaker 1: I love the way they play. They've got a smaller

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Speaker 1: pack of forwards, but they now how to make it work,

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Speaker 1: you know, to play with a little bit of subtlety

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Speaker 1: it was to send off, isn't it about that? Cooper

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Speaker 1: foot race. You going to burn you. You've got to

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Speaker 2: Noticed where I've watched the replays of it, Maddie, he

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Speaker 2: was in control into that last second when he dips

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Speaker 2: his head. Yeah, that turns it from like careless to

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Speaker 2: reckless and that's probably where he's let himself down. But

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Speaker 2: you nine times out of ten, the outside I've got

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Speaker 1: For him personally, what I really missed when he got

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Speaker 1: sent off as a rugby league fan was when he

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Speaker 1: Cooper John's and said to him, at the end of

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Speaker 1: eighty minutes, this kid's going to be a superstar. You know.

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Speaker 3: I love about him. Look at his size.

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Speaker 1: Look at that bush.

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Speaker 3: That's like, that's not easy.

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Speaker 2: He's running into three men isolates Tommy did in there

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Speaker 2: and look finds his front.

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Speaker 3: That's what you want from the start to see.

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Speaker 2: I original would have had him at wing, yeah, because

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Speaker 2: it just sort of it just dulls down. Is what

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Speaker 2: he's got to worry about in the game. I just

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Speaker 2: and he's just so hard to handle. For me origin

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Speaker 2: and get you out of trouble. But I thought that

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Speaker 3: And and they're lucky.

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Speaker 1: Woulds he your big oragin moments.

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Speaker 2: Well, mate, the first origin moment for me obviously we

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Speaker 3: Last play option.

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Speaker 2: Nicka Heines goes that line and does does something doesn't

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Speaker 2: little bit dead and they get a twenty meut restart.

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Speaker 2: But from that twenty met to restart, they get a

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Speaker 2: couple of quick rucks. You know, Cherry Evans, I've heard

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Speaker 2: you talk about before with Cooper, like at training when

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Speaker 2: we train he chairs, you don't know what he's going

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Speaker 2: to do. When he goes dummy half he'll show.

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Speaker 3: To come out you're dummy, He'll come back.

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Speaker 2: But the two veterans, Cherry Evans and Hunt, they just

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Speaker 2: know each other's game inside out and they just if.

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Speaker 3: You watch Ben, he just keeps moving forward.

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Speaker 2: Cherry goes down a short side, steps back and he

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Speaker 2: there's a combination they've had over time with Ben Hunt

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Speaker 1: True about Ben Hunt and you're seeing because that's trademark.

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Speaker 1: Cherry isn't scoop and I've seen him. I've seen him

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Speaker 1: go down two men to short sides where there's no

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Speaker 1: new miraicle event. He just scoops and goes down, goes

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Speaker 1: I'm running down a cold to sack you, and then

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Speaker 2: Doesn't it train all the time, Maddie, Like we've got

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Speaker 2: set up plays, you know, try to bring Brooks into

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Speaker 2: the game and you just see chairs, you'll scoop it up.

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Speaker 2: You think they're going to go the markers, go the open.

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Speaker 2: Then he goes down to short side and then he'll

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Speaker 2: look like he's going to throw and then he'll just

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Speaker 2: drop Homoli underneath. And it's just like mate, like I said,

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Speaker 2: there's no number of.

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Speaker 3: Eni there at all.

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Speaker 3: So they lose.

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Speaker 2: Whereas Walsh, you've got someone like the big Hemmer. He

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Speaker 2: hasn't done much training at fullback for Queensland to position

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Speaker 2: himself to stop Spencer Lenu from scoring that try.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and if you.

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Speaker 2: Think about that, right, Nicko, Heines probably hasn't had the

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Speaker 2: greatest start of the game. Yep, he sets up that

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Speaker 2: But what it does is like, mate, we can't score

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Speaker 2: against these bloke. They just keep turning up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah they do, aren't they? And it's just was Yeah,

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Speaker 1: without a doubt, it was God, he had some sort

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Speaker 1: of game, unbelievable chess mant of the match. I got

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Speaker 1: to say, all to give it to Hemma. So three tries,

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Speaker 3: I've heard a lot of people speak about it. I

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Speaker 2: You know, Nicko has a great kick, you know, goes

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Speaker 2: to kick for the forty twenty, looks like it's on,

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Speaker 2: gets a great bounce, but they just somehow recover it.

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Speaker 3: Yep, I think it was David.

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Speaker 1: Yes, the back knocks the back.

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Speaker 2: We thought it was out, but it was clearly knocked

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Speaker 2: back in.

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Speaker 3: It was a great play.

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Speaker 2: Three plays later, Cherry Errands just creates a little bit

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Speaker 2: option sees Lomacs out of position.

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Speaker 1: Throughout origin history. Well certainly certainly you know during that

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Speaker 1: amazing run they have of wins the thing that turns.

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Speaker 1: How they turn the momentum of the contest is that kick,

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Speaker 1: that early kick and chase and what's interesting there. We

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Speaker 1: always talk about state of origin. You've got to play

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Speaker 1: the full lady. Well, it's not necessarily meaning you're in

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Speaker 1: a play. Yeah, you've got to last to the eightieth minute.

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Speaker 1: It's you can't take a rest and they'll recognize it.

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Speaker 1: What you see there is we get where she enjoyed

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Speaker 1: a bit of a sentence there watching and going a secret.

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Speaker 1: This could be one of the greatest upsets we get

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Speaker 1: twenty to sixteen. We got the ascendancy. We're going at

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Speaker 1: him and you just see our back three, just take

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Speaker 3: You know what.

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Speaker 2: But it happened when I play when they won the

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Speaker 2: eight series, right, we used to have a course Smith

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Speaker 2: it means he'd kick and it'll always be when they

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Speaker 3: Mate, took us three places again.

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Speaker 1: That's you're going. You're going, you know, upfielled me and

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Speaker 1: I know. I tell you what. One thing, ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: He's got presence and Latrell. It's just got that rock

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Speaker 1: They just tortured him and worked him hard. He looked

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Speaker 1: Joey just carved him up. But they didn't pick him

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Speaker 3: Because that was the back of the Naughty intercept Naughty.

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Speaker 1: In a set, and then they went Joey, he's not ready.

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Speaker 1: It's all the story that when he came into training

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Speaker 1: he said, mate, I just I couldn't believe the control

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Speaker 3: You can interview him on the bus.

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Speaker 1: That was a test match. Yeah, he just completely completely

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Speaker 1: what it was was he was his ability to elevate

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Speaker 1: you pick them. And that's where Queensland don't make that

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Speaker 3: For me with the trills. It's his arrogance, but in

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Speaker 2: Yes, Like I hate playing against him because you know,

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Speaker 2: when you've got to tackle him, he's got these the

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Speaker 2: hold you getting up and he'll just cross that line yep.

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Speaker 2: And I think that's what we lacked a little bit, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: left edge. If I'd have him at left center, Yep,

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Speaker 2: they're right mate. He'll make a statement early on, you know.

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Speaker 2: And he's a guy that you can't just go you know, Cobber,

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Speaker 2: you will just be able to defend. No, No, you've got

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Speaker 2: to have a couple on him. He has that presence. Well,

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Speaker 2: he has that fear and that's when it brings in

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Speaker 2: the likes of Well depends if they pick Mitchell Moses

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Speaker 2: they're all the threats with Latrell, or you can use

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and then you go to Latrell. Well,

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Speaker 1: I mean look at the combination. Yeah, we talk about

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Speaker 1: Jeene Miles and Melvininger like imagine you know the New

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Speaker 3: Mate?

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Speaker 2: When we speak about Latrell, did you watch him on

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Speaker 2: And he's got that instinct too. Like you know, we

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Speaker 2: speak about Crichton with intercept. Latrell knows the right. He's

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Speaker 2: been a great system the Roosters. He was unbelieva. We're

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Speaker 2: And like I said to you, he can ball play

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Speaker 1: And mate, he's got great instincts he does. So what

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Speaker 1: both of them great instinctive players. That would be a

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Speaker 2: You know when they always at the old champions saying

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Speaker 2: Get that up. Years I've still got it. And he's

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Speaker 3: I come in.

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Speaker 2: We don't want him to play. You know, the yard

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Speaker 3: A bit of threat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he and Madge, like Madge needs to stop

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Speaker 1: tell what I'd be doing, mate, I would be hopping

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Latrell, I'm not leaving here until you give

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Speaker 3: I need you. I need you. You're our mamn, Benji.

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Speaker 1: Have you spoke to Benji in FG?

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Speaker 3: Yes, said mate, I give him heads up you know

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Speaker 2: Look, he's a different cat to what other coaches are.

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Speaker 2: He's not a Craig Bellamy. You know, Des has a

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Speaker 3: A week coach. He likes to have that little bit

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 3: He'll have his set ups, like he's got his foundation

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Speaker 2: He'll always risk it, you know, those type of blokes.

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Speaker 2: Look he is to say he's a little bit frustrated.

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Speaker 2: I think he wouldn't want ten losses in a row, Maddie,

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Speaker 2: Like it'd be killing him. He's an Absolutely, he's a competitor.

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Speaker 2: He's not just a bloke that sort of just goes

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Speaker 2: used to practice that NonStop a trainer, but he was

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Speaker 2: like he'd be absolutely ropable with losing. But I just

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Speaker 1: It's funny the message when you've got a young team

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Speaker 1: What that message the young players get for them? That's

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Speaker 1: you say, boys, we need to win this game, We're

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Speaker 1: I was Benji, I just I just change the mindset.

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Speaker 1: I'll just say, boys, right, let's sit in the room.

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Speaker 1: We're going to make our side a really hard side

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Speaker 1: And that's a different mindset you would see.

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Speaker 3: You know who's done that. The Bulldogs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they didn't get those wins early on in the season.

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Speaker 2: They pushed the Sharks and you know they pushed good sides.

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Speaker 2: But now they're getting reward for the effort and defensive

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Speaker 2: I think there's bettle edge in the competition of.

435
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Speaker 3: Them not at all, and that's what the Tiger's gonna build.

436
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Speaker 2: I know Tigers have got They've got claim Out, they've

437
00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:32,639
Speaker 2: got Bateman, they've got Papa LEAs, there's three big middles.

438
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,359
Speaker 3: But you just need blokes that it's going to work.

439
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Speaker 2: Hard defensively, like the best one I reckon at the

440
00:18:37,720 --> 00:18:40,840
Speaker 2: moment he played origin camera Mcinness He's a little body

441
00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:43,440
Speaker 2: but got what you get out of him. He keeps

442
00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:45,719
Speaker 2: the ruck tight, he generates quick play of the ball.

443
00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:49,439
Speaker 2: His effort areas are phenomenal every week. Yeah, they need

444
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:51,360
Speaker 2: it for me. They need to sign someone that's big

445
00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:55,080
Speaker 2: on effort areas Xoos energy like Cronulla signed dlphin Kane

446
00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,600
Speaker 2: new con Sorry yep, and yeah he was at the

447
00:18:57,640 --> 00:18:59,760
Speaker 2: back end of his contract. But what he brought to

448
00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,040
Speaker 2: the training ethic. You know what he's instilled in the

449
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Speaker 2: young players. From what I've heard from all the boys,

450
00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,000
Speaker 2: it's the work off the field that he's done for

451
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Speaker 2: the club that's been phenomenal.

452
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Speaker 1: It's so true. Sometimes there's players right at the end

453
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Speaker 1: of their career and a club will buy them. People go,

454
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Speaker 1: he's gone. It's not about what he gives a team

455
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Speaker 1: on a Sunday, It's about what he gives them from Monday,

456
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Speaker 1: preparation through.

457
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Speaker 3: It's teaching these young kids how to prepare for first grade.

458
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Speaker 1: Teach him how to win.

459
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Speaker 2: And he's been in two great systems in the Bulldogs

460
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Speaker 2: in Melbourne Storm.

461
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Speaker 1: I want to talk about young bloke who I loves football.

462
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Speaker 1: He looks he's an old fashioned ball player. He reminds

463
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Speaker 1: me a lot of Way Graham when he first came through.

464
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:41,320
Speaker 1: That's lucky Galvin, big body. Yeah, is the manager playing

465
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Speaker 1: silly buggers here.

466
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Speaker 3: I feel for him because he's still got two years

467
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Speaker 3: left on his contract, Mattie. So for me, if I'm the.

468
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Speaker 2: Club, I'm digging the hills in because this kid's got

469
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Speaker 2: I believe he's going to be a talent yep, you know,

470
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Speaker 2: and if he wants to learn to be a five eight,

471
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Speaker 2: he's got one of the best five eights of all

472
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Speaker 2: time as his head coach. I know you're in a

473
00:19:58,160 --> 00:20:02,040
Speaker 2: tough period where you're losing. It's Benji's first ever coaching gig,

474
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Speaker 2: so he's still going to learn. They're both learning themselves.

475
00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:05,800
Speaker 2: But what for me is Benji showed a lot of

476
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Speaker 2: faith in him. He's elevating him straight to the starting

477
00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:09,960
Speaker 2: spot from round one. You're going to have moments in

478
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 2: your crew. You know, it's like made the best thing

479
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,200
Speaker 2: is experienced on the field course of this and he's

480
00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 2: only played ten games.

481
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Speaker 3: Just cool your jets a.

482
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Speaker 1: Little bit, spot on. Now. He's a young guy, and

483
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Speaker 1: I understand losing hurts, but mate, don't be that guy, not.

484
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Speaker 3: At this point. I've been through these this experience before.

485
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Speaker 2: Like I was off contract, you know, I didn't have

486
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,560
Speaker 2: your years remaining my contract, and I sort of, you know,

487
00:20:32,800 --> 00:20:34,840
Speaker 2: I took an option to go elsewhere. Lucky, the grass

488
00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 2: isn't always greener. On the other side, I had the

489
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 2: worst twelve months of my life. I wasn't ready for

490
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,879
Speaker 2: what was going to come, Like scrutiny from the media.

491
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:46,200
Speaker 2: People didn't know the full story. Clubs just relay the

492
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Speaker 2: message they want out there, which could be at the

493
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 2: moment he could be getting a different message from his

494
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Speaker 2: manager to what the Tigers is bringing in. And then

495
00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 2: the other thing. The worst thing for me was when

496
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: the fans booed me at the game. And this kid's eighteen.

497
00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:59,760
Speaker 2: I was twenty six at the time. I would hate

498
00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:03,000
Speaker 2: him go through that period because it sucked. You know,

499
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 2: you're at their bust in your backside and fans are

500
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 2: doing you and they go number eight.

501
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Speaker 3: What club was that?

502
00:21:07,840 --> 00:21:07,960
Speaker 1: Was that?

503
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 3: This is Tigers? When I was leaving Tigers Dogs.

504
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah okay, And I hadn't even made my decision up yet,

505
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,119
Speaker 2: so God knows what the Tigers fans are going through

506
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 2: at the moment, you know. And for me, if they

507
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,720
Speaker 2: let this kid go, this could be another huge setback

508
00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:20,960
Speaker 2: and could put him back five years.

509
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Speaker 1: And the thing but it is for Lockee at this

510
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 1: and now this sounds strange for Lockey at this point

511
00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 1: in his career. It's not about wins. It's about experience.

512
00:21:30,080 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you this would see. I think he'll

513
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,280
Speaker 1: learn a lot more from what he's part of at

514
00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:39,359
Speaker 1: the moment than him just strolling into a top four side.

515
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Speaker 2: I think at the moment, he's a kid playing first

516
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,720
Speaker 2: grade and you you know, like when you have set

517
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:45,520
Speaker 2: up plays, you've got to play director to play straight.

518
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,680
Speaker 2: A lot of the times Lockie runs across field comes

519
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:53,480
Speaker 2: back just creeping for a space, and you don't just

520
00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:56,880
Speaker 2: get that one space just from like crapping across field.

521
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: You've got to break teams down. And that's what he

522
00:21:59,119 --> 00:21:59,640
Speaker 3: needs to learn.

523
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Speaker 2: And Mate, if he can learn how to break teams down, Mate,

524
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Speaker 2: I honestly believe he could be the factor with Tigers

525
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 2: coming up the ladder by.

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Speaker 1: Far yes, well, I mean the cavalry is on the way, Jerome.

527
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:14,399
Speaker 1: I love the scene with him, and that's right, like

528
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Speaker 1: it's almost like okay, I understand, like you I understand

529
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Speaker 1: what you're going through. You're a kid that's had a

530
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:21,399
Speaker 1: lot of success as schoolboy football and now all of

531
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Speaker 1: a sudden you're fulfilling a dream, but you're only a

532
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,560
Speaker 1: lot of flaudings. I understand how hard that is.

533
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Speaker 2: But just hang in there, mate, Jerome, just hang in

534
00:22:29,480 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 2: At Penrith, that's lean years early on that they did.

535
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Speaker 2: And when Ivan first went back there, yep, they didn't

536
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Speaker 2: even make the eight right down the bottom. So he

537
00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:39,399
Speaker 2: could teach him. And he's been a five eight for

538
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 2: how long Jerome like the last eight years. He could

539
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: teach him the best aspects because you see now when

540
00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:46,399
Speaker 2: Jerome has to control a game, ok, and that's when

541
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Speaker 2: he's playing.

542
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Speaker 3: Better he does.

543
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Speaker 1: I think part of the reason he went to the

544
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Speaker 1: Tigers is he wants to stand up on his own

545
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Speaker 1: accord and say, hey, I've stepped out of this great system.

546
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 1: But look at me g and he'd be encouraged now

547
00:22:56,880 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 1: looking at Stephen Crichton.

548
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Speaker 3: And then that's what lucky, because he's got a thing.

549
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: He said, well, I've got this great player coming to

550
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,800
Speaker 2: Ruver's coming as well.

551
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Speaker 3: He's been a good system. I've got to learn so

552
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Speaker 3: much of these blogs.

553
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 1: Still to learn off too, Harry Grant were Harry went,

554
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Speaker 1: Let's remember he's struck behind Cameron Smith and they struck

555
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:18,240
Speaker 1: that girl. And he went to the Tigers, and Tigers

556
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 1: that they haven't you know when Harry's inconsistencies again, mate,

557
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:24,879
Speaker 1: he just bustes us the whole time. I don't think

558
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,399
Speaker 1: Tiger's fans will ever forget what he did for that

559
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:28,680
Speaker 1: club and how hard he fought.

560
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Speaker 3: No way, and I knew the other thing.

561
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Speaker 2: It's the experience that he's learned being in that sort

562
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Speaker 2: of a side to what Melbourne's is. The different systems

563
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Speaker 2: I reckon. Actually both parties got so much out of it.

564
00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:37,480
Speaker 3: Yep.

565
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,040
Speaker 2: Him and he played with Benji that period of time too,

566
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Speaker 2: so he got to play another great.

567
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Speaker 3: Player that he's seen a lot of time.

568
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 2: And then going back to Melbourne and saying well, this

569
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,359
Speaker 2: is what didn't work, this is what did work at Tigers,

570
00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,120
Speaker 2: and then taking those little experiences to Melbourne Wood.

571
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Speaker 1: I enjoyed that today.

572
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:52,120
Speaker 3: I didn't.

573
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Speaker 1: I should have introduced off the top and explain why

574
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Speaker 1: here is because Cooper couldn't be here because he had

575
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 1: square dancing school at some level, and what a squere

576
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,119
Speaker 1: danced the bottle White. I love him to it. You

577
00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:11,040
Speaker 1: should see they's feet. They just dazzled. M hm