Speaker 1: From the Skying Center. This is Paul Murray Live.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Cherry, come on into the man Cave. We
Speaker 2: have been following tropical Cyclone Alfred for many, many days.
Speaker 2: It gets serious from now. In the second al I
Speaker 2: have plenty to say about politics, and we've got the
Speaker 2: great Nigel Farage on the show and a great back
Speaker 2: and forth, and no doubt it'll be here between Gary
Speaker 2: Hardgrave and Nicholas Rees. But I just want to send
Speaker 2: nothing but strength and love to my favorite state in
Speaker 2: the country and the many many people who are going
Speaker 2: to be affected by this. About twenty thousand homes look
Speaker 2: like they may will end up being affected by the
Speaker 2: storm surge. It's now Noosa down to Grafton in New
Speaker 2: South Wales. Here's some of the people trying to get ready.
Speaker 3: I think all of us come out early is to
Speaker 3: beat the rush.
Speaker 4: Get it early and get ourselves prepared ready for what.
Speaker 5: You know is coming.
Speaker 6: To beat the traffic because yesterday afternoon it was chaos
Speaker 6: out here.
Speaker 4: We're not going to leave the island.
Speaker 7: We're staying. Bat down the hatches.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the supermarkets had to step in today after what
Speaker 2: I told you last night, which was that there's an
Speaker 2: awful lot of people who are buying up big trying
Speaker 2: to grab things like water at the moment. Apparently Coles
Speaker 2: and Woolies have both made big announcements about that today.
Speaker 2: But here again some of the locals. Our focus always
Speaker 2: on the good people of the great state.
Speaker 7: Toilet Paper is a big one, Milk's another, nets a
Speaker 7: bit light on.
Speaker 8: It's COVID all over again.
Speaker 7: Well, what is it about toilet paper?
Speaker 2: What is it about toilet paper where people lose their
Speaker 2: brain but they do all right, Well, we smile now,
Speaker 2: but it's not going to be the case. The expectations
Speaker 2: are if we can bring that live radar up again, guys,
Speaker 2: the situation and expectation is that the green is where
Speaker 2: it has gone, the yellow is where it is now,
Speaker 2: and then where it is.
Speaker 7: Expected to go.
Speaker 2: As the Bureau told Sharry about an hour ago, most
Speaker 2: likely in the later hours, certainly when we're on air
Speaker 2: on Thursday day night is when this thing is going
Speaker 2: to cross. But obviously there's a lot of damage that
Speaker 2: can happen before then and after, so Thursday night is
Speaker 2: going to be the real moment. So there is basically
Speaker 2: another full day of preparation and then some concern that
Speaker 2: rolls in that premiere is going to be trying to
Speaker 2: calm people's nerves while simultaneously telling people that this is
Speaker 2: nothing to muck around with.
Speaker 9: We'll get through this if you do the preparation and
Speaker 9: the little things that you do now make a big
Speaker 9: difference at the back end of the system in whatever
Speaker 9: that looks like, wherever it crosses, at whatever intensity. We're
Speaker 9: asking a large part of the population in a pretty
Speaker 9: big area, in a large population to be ready.
Speaker 2: Basically think about it, Sunny Coast, Brisbane, Gold Coast, Northern
Speaker 2: New South Wales. That's an awful lot of people who,
Speaker 2: no doubt are nervous, certainly people that I love in
Speaker 2: an area that I look for to living in at
Speaker 2: one point in my life into the future.
Speaker 7: But strength and love to everyone involved in a right now.
Speaker 2: Twenty eight thousand homes, a lot of those homes which
Speaker 2: are of course very close to the coastline, very close
Speaker 2: to the canals, all of those areas up and down
Speaker 2: that particular area. The latest from sky News Weather and
Speaker 2: remember please make sky news dot com dot are you
Speaker 2: your homepage and keep checking in with them for the
Speaker 2: up to the second information.
Speaker 6: Landfall is still expected to be between Sunjenko's and Brisbane.
Speaker 6: The leaders showing that it is still fevoring south towards
Speaker 6: Brisbane and in time for landfall. That best timing right now,
Speaker 6: happening between Thursday evening and Auvern eight into Friday morning.
Speaker 2: Now, also a couple of things you need to know about.
Speaker 2: Normally we do this stuff after natural disasters, but there's something.
Speaker 7: Worth talking about now and it's insurance. Okay.
Speaker 2: We know that our mates are in the North when
Speaker 2: they were hit with floods. They're still having huge troubles
Speaker 2: at the moment when it comes to insurance companies and
Speaker 2: inevitably the you know, the mud army will be there.
Speaker 2: People will go and do their bit, But now is
Speaker 2: the time of double check about your standing.
Speaker 7: Right now when it comes to insurance.
Speaker 2: Suncorp one of the bigger insurers in Southeast Queensland, they
Speaker 2: are saying this one is going to be big.
Speaker 7: We know that to be the case.
Speaker 2: But a really great article actually popped its way up
Speaker 2: on the Courier Mail's website which I want to bring
Speaker 2: you to here, which is that you can use the
Speaker 2: power of AI to work out exactly whether you're covered
Speaker 2: or not now a lot of people think that they
Speaker 2: have a storm or flood cover but then you find out, well,
Speaker 2: the water came from this angle, not that angle, so
Speaker 2: they say use AI. Basically, you take the terms and conditions,
Speaker 2: the really complicated part of your policy. You put it
Speaker 2: into something like a chat GPT and ask it a
Speaker 2: am I covered for? Please explain what I am not
Speaker 2: covered for? And you can maybe use the period of
Speaker 2: time between now and Thursday to make sure that everything
Speaker 2: is in place. Now again, I hope that this is
Speaker 2: all just another example about people getting it wrong, people overhyping,
Speaker 2: But the reality is you have to assume that it
Speaker 2: is what they say it's going to be. We'll have
Speaker 2: full coverage here as it is all happening on Thursday night.
Speaker 2: We keep an eye and focus and send nothing but
Speaker 2: strength and love to the preparations of the next couple
Speaker 2: of days. But Queensland, you know how much I love you,
Speaker 2: and you know how much we are in it with
Speaker 2: you for the next couple of days and many many
Speaker 2: years after that. So today let's again focus on how
Speaker 2: the media helped the Labour Party do its dirty work,
Speaker 2: spinning a lie, a half truth, or just trying to
Speaker 2: push a narrative. Well, today the opposition said that if
Speaker 2: you work for the federal government, it is time to
Speaker 2: come back to the office. It is now the best
Speaker 2: part of what five years since all of the COVID
Speaker 2: business meant that people weren't in the office, working from home.
Speaker 7: All the rest of it.
Speaker 2: And the reality is that the federal government spends undreds
Speaker 2: of millions of dollars on offices, and the alternative Prime
Speaker 2: Minister says, if you're being paid by the taxpayer, you
Speaker 2: should also be working from the place that the taxpayer
Speaker 2: is already paying.
Speaker 10: For Australian taxpayers who are working harder than ever this
Speaker 10: government and barely keeping the head above water. I think
Speaker 10: they expect the government and the government employees to be
Speaker 10: working as hard as they are, and people refusing to
Speaker 10: go back to work in Canberra is not acceptable.
Speaker 7: We need an efficient delivery of government services now.
Speaker 2: Who would have a problem with this, Well, of course
Speaker 2: the Labour Party, who not only has hired a football
Speaker 2: stadium worth of brand new public servants, has given all
Speaker 2: public servants their biggest pay rise in ten years, and
Speaker 2: of course expects them all to vote for the government.
Speaker 2: Remember the whole way that the modern left works is
Speaker 2: that they want to create a triangle of dependency, one
Speaker 2: that will cover sixty seventy percent of the electorate, meaning
Speaker 2: that they will always remain in power. This was the
Speaker 2: way in Queensland for the best part of thirty years.
Speaker 2: It has been the way in Victoria up until today,
Speaker 2: which is you either work for the government so you
Speaker 2: don't want to upset them, you don't want to upset
Speaker 2: the apple cart, or you are dependent on the government
Speaker 2: when it comes to welfare, and any suggestion that you
Speaker 2: shouldn't get more than anyone else, that of course becomes
Speaker 2: a reason to be afraid of a change of government.
Speaker 2: Or if you're in private business, the because company is
Speaker 2: the government. Therefore you don't want to displease the government.
Speaker 2: So we know who they're playing to here. And certainly
Speaker 2: the camera bubble will always vote left, will always vote
Speaker 2: hard left, often more likely to vote green than it
Speaker 2: is to vote labor in some parts. But look at
Speaker 2: the reaction today. How for some reason, this very simple request,
Speaker 2: which is go back to where you have always worked,
Speaker 2: has been tried to be spun as some sort of
Speaker 2: attack on women on female workers. First, the Prime Minister,
Speaker 2: with an odd take on a pretty obvious suggestion that
Speaker 2: I would imagine most Australians who don't work in the
Speaker 2: public service, well they already don't have the option of
Speaker 2: working from home. But where just the little people right the.
Speaker 11: Coalition want public servants to be at home all the time,
Speaker 11: thirty six thousand of them, because I want to sack them.
Speaker 11: Be very clear here. So on the one hand they
Speaker 11: say you can just stay at home because those additional
Speaker 11: public servants where we've put six billion dollars in the
Speaker 11: clearing off those cues in veterans affairs. They're saying you
Speaker 11: can just stay at home.
Speaker 7: What a surprise.
Speaker 2: The bloke who is a creature of the Canberra bubble,
Speaker 2: who has had literally no other job than for government,
Speaker 2: either as an MP or as an advisor, the one
Speaker 2: who knows that the heavily unionized people slow play the
Speaker 2: ball during conservative times of government and do exactly what
Speaker 2: this government or left wing governments want, is of course
Speaker 2: the great champion of all things when it comes to
Speaker 2: the public service. For those of us that are paying
Speaker 2: for the public service, we want fewer public servants. We
Speaker 2: want more simplicity, We want people actually involved in services
Speaker 2: rather than sitting.
Speaker 7: Behind computed the no.
Speaker 2: But as for this gender garbage, and he's got a
Speaker 2: run in much of the media today Katie Gallagher, who
Speaker 2: of course represents the act where the business is the
Speaker 2: public service.
Speaker 12: I mean they've now said working from homes you are
Speaker 12: going to be canceled. You know, they don't have women's
Speaker 12: interests at heart on the working from home. Can I
Speaker 12: just say on this clearly the opposition have no idea
Speaker 12: about how modern working families operate.
Speaker 2: Seriously, you want to talk about people who have no
Speaker 2: idea how modern working families work, which.
Speaker 7: Is that most jobs require somebody to leave the house.
Speaker 2: Now, yes, it's okay if you can find a way
Speaker 2: to maybe Monday, maybe Friday. And I understand if you're
Speaker 2: involved in all of that, fair enough, But the idea
Speaker 2: that when you work for the government that you don't
Speaker 2: have to go to the office because you see, what
Speaker 2: these people don't understand is all of the private businesses
Speaker 2: that are affected by people not going into the office.
Speaker 2: You know, all those coffee shops for the days you
Speaker 2: do go into the office, they need seven days worth
Speaker 2: of trade. All of the ancillary businesses from the lowly
Speaker 2: cleaners all the way through to the people working in
Speaker 2: the private sector. They need as many people in the
Speaker 2: cities as possible. Now mat Nicholas Race, of course runs
Speaker 2: the city that needs as many people in the city
Speaker 2: as possible for the city to not just be revitalized,
Speaker 2: but to have an economy that actually means there are options.
Speaker 2: When you go into the city on the weekend, you
Speaker 2: see these people don't get that. They don't care because
Speaker 2: they fly at the front end of the plane. They
Speaker 2: don't pay for anything, and they are more than happy
Speaker 2: for this triangle of dependency that I was mentioning before.
Speaker 2: But before we start suggesting that this is somehow an
Speaker 2: attack on women and the demand of going back to
Speaker 2: the office is some knuckle dragging right wing position. Do
Speaker 2: they know that the governor of California card carrying super
Speaker 2: lefty he wants everyone back in the office on no, no,
Speaker 2: But it's all about Peter Dutton. And of course it's
Speaker 2: all code for the Liberal Party has a problem with women. Well,
Speaker 2: guess who actually has a problem with women. And it
Speaker 2: seems like until people are reminded that they have a
Speaker 2: problem with the Liberal Party that when people just judge
Speaker 2: a government on its actions or lack of actions, or
Speaker 2: see the difference between strong leadership and weak leadership that
Speaker 2: people will they move their vote away from Labor today.
Speaker 2: The essential poll in the Turmbal Times the Guardian was
Speaker 2: released today and it shows that the male vote thirty
Speaker 2: seven to thirty one. But guess what, the Labor Party
Speaker 2: has fewer votes with women than the Liberal Party does
Speaker 2: right now. In fact, according to the primary vote went
Speaker 2: it comes to women compared for men thirty one thirty seven,
Speaker 2: it is now twenty eight to thirty five. Oh no,
Speaker 2: but apparently it's a Liberal Party who has a problem
Speaker 2: with women. No, right now, the Labor Party seems to
Speaker 2: have a problem with women, but don't tell anyone. And
Speaker 2: the fact that the media can't be bothered even checking
Speaker 2: the polls that are released today before running garbage like that.
Speaker 2: And then there's the second part of this. R. Anthony Albernezi,
Speaker 2: of course, desperately would love to pretend that Peter Dutton
Speaker 2: is the Aussie version of Donald Trump, and the majority
Speaker 2: of Australians don't like Donald Trump, so therefore they're not
Speaker 2: going to vote for Peter Dutton. But of course he
Speaker 2: can't say that out loud because if he goes after
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, well, we know how Donald Trump is going
Speaker 2: to respond, and right now I think we're trying to
Speaker 2: get an exemption when it comes to things like trade tariffs.
Speaker 2: Of course, much of the defense of this country comes
Speaker 2: out of, frankly, the kindness of the United States, while
Speaker 2: government's like his that have more tax coming in than
Speaker 2: ever before spend most of their money on welfare rather
Speaker 2: than defense. Have a look at how Anthony Alberanzi is
Speaker 2: trying to play four D chess, sending simple messages that
Speaker 2: Dutton is Trump.
Speaker 11: No, we don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
Speaker 11: What we have here from Peter Dutton is that he's
Speaker 11: so policy lazy, him and his team that they just
Speaker 11: if they hear something on the news, an announcement from
Speaker 11: overseas about sacking public servants or people working from home
Speaker 11: or DEI, you know, the dreaded inclusion policy that they're
Speaker 11: so worried about, they say, yeah, I'll have some of that.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you guys can replay that grab
Speaker 2: but with no sound while I make this point, feel
Speaker 2: free if we can technically tell me if I can't
Speaker 2: end my year, I'm just coming up with an idea
Speaker 2: live on the TV. Do you see how unimpressed the
Speaker 2: people behind the Prime minister are look at the premier
Speaker 2: views that, well is a proper leader again, jeez, really
Speaker 2: are going to stand behind this bloke and the other
Speaker 2: guy going, what what's the point you're trying to make? Well,
Speaker 2: of course, before Donald Trump was re elected as the
Speaker 2: forty seventh President of the United States, they thought he
Speaker 2: would never return. They thought the Trumpian politics was so
Speaker 2: terrible that they could make reference to it when the
Speaker 2: majority of the country was turning against his government when
Speaker 2: it came to the voice. So this is just the
Speaker 2: same thing but being said in a different way.
Speaker 5: That the No campaign are importing American style Trump politics
Speaker 5: to Australia. Its aim is to polarize people and to
Speaker 5: and this weapon of choice is missed information.
Speaker 2: She's still a member of Parliament by the way, still
Speaker 2: a member of Parliament. But let's get to the Trump
Speaker 2: of it all and the Trump effect on Australian politics
Speaker 2: and Australian's position when it comes to who is best
Speaker 2: to actually handle the relationship with the leader of the
Speaker 2: free world, who ain't going anywhere for the entirety of
Speaker 2: the next electoral term. Here in Australia, the Red Bridge
Speaker 2: Pole that we put a lot of emphasis on and
Speaker 2: we talk about in great granular detail Sunday Nights here
Speaker 2: with the State of the Race, one of my favorite
Speaker 2: segments we do each and every week. Well, they asked
Speaker 2: people and they came back with one conclusion that Peter
Speaker 2: Dutton is the better person to deal with Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: So Albo is simultaneous trying to suck up to while
Speaker 2: campaigning against Trump, hoping that you won't notice. But it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious what he's referring to when he's referring to
Speaker 2: what he is referring to. So it's no wonder the
Speaker 2: Cherry Markson's reporting, as excellent as it always is tonight,
Speaker 2: is that Albo can't get a phone call back from
Speaker 2: the US President. I hope this changes because those tariffs
Speaker 2: they kick in next week. Now, I wasn't going to
Speaker 2: fall into what I thought was the outrage and the
Speaker 2: weakness of the Prime Minister at the time. They're not
Speaker 2: going to get exemption and I thought we were going
Speaker 2: to get one. But part of that is having an
Speaker 2: ongoing relationship with Donald Trump, and Donald Trump is all
Speaker 2: about relationships, and he knows that if you turn up
Speaker 2: after he's been elected, that you're affair with a friend.
Speaker 2: If you turn up after he's been sworn in, then
Speaker 2: you're doing it out of politeness. There are many, many people,
Speaker 2: from major CEOs to leaders of countries who built bridges
Speaker 2: to Donald Trump, not just before the election, but most
Speaker 2: importantly in the period of time between no vs. Last
Speaker 2: year and January when he was sworn in. Our Prime minister. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: couldn't do that. Couldn't go and visit, couldn't go and
Speaker 2: pick up the phone, couldn't form some sort of a
Speaker 2: relationship beforehand. So you rely on that relationship when you
Speaker 2: need something, which brings us to the Karen rud of
Speaker 2: it all.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd, of course, was somebody who has said plenty
Speaker 2: of nasty things about Donald Trump. But now that the
Speaker 2: world has changed, he's now trying to do everything he can,
Speaker 2: kissing every single bit of the backside he possibly can,
Speaker 2: to find a way to get a result for Australia,
Speaker 2: because firstly that is of course his job as the
Speaker 2: ambassador for Australia, but also it's to make sure that
Speaker 2: he holds onto his job for as long as possible.
Speaker 2: But if he can't get a phone call, and he
Speaker 2: can't get a meeting, and we can't get a phone
Speaker 2: call after the last phone call, which was back what
Speaker 2: middle of February. Then it shows that we are getting
Speaker 2: the freeze out. And it's one thing for us to
Speaker 2: get the freeze out from a hostile nations China, it's
Speaker 2: another one to get it from the United States of America. Now,
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean that you have to go all Trump
Speaker 2: all the time and say every decision is amazing, No
Speaker 2: human being is beyond criticism. But clearly they put zero
Speaker 2: effort into building a bridge. And last week in the
Speaker 2: Senate there was a fascinating little bit of detail about
Speaker 2: what the media told us at the time was a
Speaker 2: meeting that had taken place between Donald Trump and Kevin Rudd.
Speaker 2: Now remember the Prime Minister was out and about and
Speaker 2: saying that, yes, a meeting, a meeting between Donald Trump
Speaker 2: and Kevin Rudd was really important.
Speaker 11: We discussed that and we'll get together at the quad
Speaker 11: all before, but we'll look forward to having one on
Speaker 11: one discussions as well, but will continue to be in contact.
Speaker 2: But despite the leaking, despite the briefing, despite the spin,
Speaker 2: despite the media pretending that there had been some sort
Speaker 2: of a top level meeting between the person who represents
Speaker 2: us in Washington or of course the Prime Minister who yes,
Speaker 2: has had a couple of phone calls last week in
Speaker 2: the Senate James Patterson, the shadow Homer first minister. He
Speaker 2: had in front of him, Penny Wong, the person representing
Speaker 2: of course the Foreign Office, and the Foreign Office has
Speaker 2: its well she is Kevin Rud's boss. Have a listen
Speaker 2: to just how little detail they had about the supposed
Speaker 2: meeting that took place between Rudd and Trump. This is amazing.
Speaker 3: Can you tell me the dates of that direct contract?
Speaker 8: I'm not sure we.
Speaker 1: Have that here.
Speaker 4: Might have to take that on notice.
Speaker 1: No officials know.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty big deal if our ambassador met with
Speaker 3: the president.
Speaker 13: Who don't know when that was?
Speaker 3: Well, since then we've had two conversations between the Prime Minister. Yes,
Speaker 3: some aware of those, and we might come to that.
Speaker 3: But when did Ambassadorud meet President Trump?
Speaker 14: We said we take that on leaders.
Speaker 7: No one knows because it wasn't a meeting.
Speaker 2: Where did the meeting take place? Well, again they know nothing.
Speaker 13: Can you say where the meeting was?
Speaker 8: Well, I think refer to previous.
Speaker 13: Answers Ema, then well, this specific date might not be
Speaker 13: an official state of maguage, but the location might be.
Speaker 7: We will undertake to provide you as much information as
Speaker 7: possible as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: Now, the Prime Minister and his office, and most likely
Speaker 2: Kevin Rudd in his office, was out and about telling
Speaker 2: that this meeting apparently took place at one of Trump's
Speaker 2: golf courses, information that is either not relayed or not
Speaker 2: known because it wasn't a meeting. Stalking somebody at a
Speaker 2: country club and waving at them or maybe shaking their
Speaker 2: hand as they're moving to the thing they really want
Speaker 2: to do is not a meeting. There has been no
Speaker 2: meeting between the President of the United States and the
Speaker 2: ambassador to Washington, yet the media at the start of
Speaker 2: this year told you over and over again that it
Speaker 2: had actually taken place. No, the most FaceTime that an
Speaker 2: Australian has had with Donald Trump is not the former
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Kevin Rudd, but the former Prime Minister Scott Morrison.
Speaker 2: This was him with Jenny and Millennia at their house
Speaker 2: in Florida on New Year's Eve. It feels like we
Speaker 2: have the wrong former prime minister being the one who's
Speaker 2: actually doing the reach out right now, because obviously one's
Speaker 2: going to get a phone call back, the other is.
Speaker 7: Going to be put in deep freeze. Why because he
Speaker 7: knows who they are.
Speaker 2: He knows that they put no effort into the relationship
Speaker 2: before he became the president. They put no effort in
Speaker 2: between when he was elected the president and sworn in
Speaker 2: as the president. And a cursory phone call here or
Speaker 2: there does not create a relationship. No relationship, no deal.
Speaker 7: Again.
Speaker 2: I hope that somehow magically all of this reverses and
Speaker 2: we'd get an exemption. But I repeat, a twenty five
Speaker 2: percent tariff on Australia aluminium and steel comes into.
Speaker 1: Effect next week.
Speaker 2: The Prime Minister may want to change the subject, but
Speaker 2: the reality is the events and his own failures, as
Speaker 2: well as those of Kevin Rudd, are therefore all to see.
Speaker 2: Weld done, James Patterson for following the detail. I wish
Speaker 2: the media would from time to time. Meantime, when it
Speaker 2: comes to the Prime Minister, it won't surprise you. This
Speaker 2: indecisive each way bloke who we call him that before
Speaker 2: the election, still is so before the last election, because
Speaker 2: can you believe he is still dithering about when he
Speaker 2: is or isn't going to call an election, whether we
Speaker 2: are or aren't going to have a budget. This is
Speaker 2: getting ridiculous.
Speaker 13: And the feeling is he wouldn't call it before the
Speaker 13: WA election Saturday. I only got until Monday evening if
Speaker 13: he wants that April twelve date. If he wants an
Speaker 13: April date. Otherwise we're getting a budget and we'll be
Speaker 13: going the polls on either May three or May ten.
Speaker 13: Over the the Prime Minister was leaning towards that May option.
Speaker 2: Seriously, the result of the election is going to be
Speaker 2: exactly the same if he called it last weekend, this
Speaker 2: weekend or next weekend. The consequences of him just dangling
Speaker 2: means that we're in this scenario where he is performing
Speaker 2: and running around like.
Speaker 7: He's still the opposition leader.
Speaker 2: By the way, I love today's big announcement when it
Speaker 2: came to schools funding in New South Wales. He's talking
Speaker 2: about how this was urgently needed. He's been in the
Speaker 2: job for three years, yet he's still carrying on like
Speaker 2: he's making a promise from opposition. I've shown you in
Speaker 2: great detail and I will commit to it every night
Speaker 2: to show you how much of the media does not
Speaker 2: do the follow up that they should, and that's because
Speaker 2: they know that there is not much detail behind many
Speaker 2: of the things that get said, or they are obviously
Speaker 2: last minute choices about issues that he should have been
Speaker 2: dealing with. You don't get credit for putting out a
Speaker 2: bushfire three years after it was your responsibility to put
Speaker 2: out the bushfire. And we're at a time right now
Speaker 2: where there are Chinese naval vessels that are moving their
Speaker 2: way around Australia. Yet the Prime Minister is so weak,
Speaker 2: so indecisive that he can't work out when he's going
Speaker 2: to have his own election, and is so on the
Speaker 2: back foot with the leader of the free world that
Speaker 2: they can't even schedule a phone call with the bloke.
Speaker 2: But as I often say, this bloke loves to have
Speaker 2: it both ways or dore, I say each way albow
Speaker 2: where surprise, surprise, He says one thing and then he
Speaker 2: does another. He argues one way, he argues another. This
Speaker 2: was what he has to say about potentially missing a
Speaker 2: budget and why that wouldn't be a bad thing because
Speaker 2: he's in government.
Speaker 13: Are you planning for a potential April election as opposed
Speaker 13: to May?
Speaker 11: Now, the budget scheduled for March twenty five, So we
Speaker 11: will have a budget. The budget scheduled for March twenty five.
Speaker 13: That's when it scheduled. It doesn't mean you have to
Speaker 13: deliver it. Are we going to have a budget?
Speaker 1: It schedule we're working through.
Speaker 13: If you go to the election without a budget, you
Speaker 13: look like you're swibbing it, won't you.
Speaker 11: Oh, look, Andrew, we haven't squibbed.
Speaker 2: Anything, but some eagle eyes have worked out that. Guess
Speaker 2: what each Way Albo said exactly the opposite thing when
Speaker 2: it was potentially a Liberal party that was going to
Speaker 2: call an election without having a budget roll the memory.
Speaker 1: You know, this is a government.
Speaker 11: Every time it's brought down a budget, it's dived in
Speaker 11: the polls, and they might well will want to avoid
Speaker 11: that scrutiny.
Speaker 14: Where's your best guest for when they will go to
Speaker 14: an election?
Speaker 10: I think March nine eight.
Speaker 2: Nothing to see here, nothing to see here? Each Way
Speaker 2: elbow And of course he was out in about today
Speaker 2: spending more money, billions of dollars in than never never
Speaker 2: a lot of these announcements, by the way, they're over
Speaker 2: four years, five years, ten years. But who cares push
Speaker 2: the big number together? No, one in the press gallery
Speaker 2: is going to turn around and say, oh, excuse me, sir,
Speaker 2: what's the asterisk here? And ps, where's the money come from?
Speaker 2: It's the latest in a long line of spending other
Speaker 2: people's money.
Speaker 11: A seven point two billion dollar announcement today five million
Speaker 11: dollars ten million dollar, two hundred million dollars, three billion dollar,
Speaker 11: three hundred and fifty million dollar, two billion dollars, thirty
Speaker 11: seven million dollars, eight hundred and forty two million dollar,
Speaker 11: two point four billion dollars eight point five billion dollar
Speaker 11: all point eight billion dollar.
Speaker 2: By the way, that's just this year. I remember telling
Speaker 2: you in some detail that I wasn't going to buy
Speaker 2: the spin that the very small interest rate cut was
Speaker 2: somehow going to turn the favor for the Prime minister.
Speaker 2: But how many times did we hear over and over
Speaker 2: again that point twenty five was going to be the
Speaker 2: savior for this prime minister.
Speaker 12: The Prime Minister has launched a media blitz following the
Speaker 12: Reserve Bank's decision to cut interest rates for the first
Speaker 12: time since late twenty twenty.
Speaker 13: Lucy, the PM is trying to capitalize on the positive.
Speaker 12: Books and now ben Easy is really riding the interest
Speaker 12: rate cut high for this.
Speaker 10: Young family something to sing about.
Speaker 11: Well that come when it cuts into twenty twenty and
Speaker 11: we've b.
Speaker 10: Yeah, the Reserve Bank's decision cutting official rates to four
Speaker 10: point one percent, sparking what sounds like a campaign slogan.
Speaker 11: What we are seeing is that we're heading in the
Speaker 11: right direction.
Speaker 2: Now it's truerlish to say we was right, but guess
Speaker 2: what exactly what we know to be the reality in
Speaker 2: suburban Australia is exactly the reality that is now turning
Speaker 2: up in the poles. But you see, as long as
Speaker 2: the media does the spin and no one does the
Speaker 2: follow up, then they hope that nobody's going to notice.
Speaker 2: But in reality, again, let's look at some polling. Redbridge
Speaker 2: Polling says sixty five percent of people it will not
Speaker 2: change their vote. Fifty six percent of people say in
Speaker 2: the turnbul Times the Guardian today that it's too little,
Speaker 2: too late and it will not affect their vote. And
Speaker 2: people don't believe the Prime Minister when he says this.
Speaker 11: Bringing inflation down without throwing people on the unemployments.
Speaker 14: I know, but a soft landing PM with respect is
Speaker 14: not a bag of groceres coals or woolies or aldi
Speaker 14: costing one hundred bucks. People are angry, and some of
Speaker 14: the anger is being directed towards You have a.
Speaker 1: Look at this part.
Speaker 2: The people that are in most financial danger on the
Speaker 2: question of whether the interest rate is too little, too late,
Speaker 2: and the government's approach to economic management is not working.
Speaker 2: That's the red people in serious financial difficulty. Seventy four
Speaker 2: percent of people think that fifty six percent of people
Speaker 2: for people that are struggling. The only people who are
Speaker 2: fine with the government doing what it's currently doing are
Speaker 2: the people who are sitting pretty Dare I say the
Speaker 2: public servants who get their highest pay rise in ten
Speaker 2: years or politicians who get three in the past three years.
Speaker 2: We're on the detail. We're counting the grains of sand
Speaker 2: on the beach. We are telling you the data and
Speaker 2: showing you the numbers. That are the bricks in the wall.
Speaker 2: The opinion is the mortar. But that wall is going
Speaker 2: to hit the Prime Minister sooner rather than later.
Speaker 7: Quick break back with more.
Speaker 2: Lots to talk about and Nigel fur I can't wait
Speaker 2: to see what he thinks about what's happening when it
Speaker 2: comes to the UK, the US, Ukraine.
Speaker 7: And a whole lot more. We are just getting started.
Speaker 2: Thanks for watching this Tuesday night on Pulmurray Life. Welcome
Speaker 2: to a truly national show the mystery location of the
Speaker 2: Man Cave, but definitely Melbourne is where it's Lord mayor
Speaker 2: Snappy Dresser. None of the Nicholas reesis and have a
Speaker 2: look at Snappy Dressing the man you can hear each
Speaker 2: and every afternoon on four BC Drive in Brisbane.
Speaker 1: Gary how Grave lads. Hello, welcome. So let's get to.
Speaker 7: This work from home stuff, right, Nicholas.
Speaker 2: As a person who's in charge of some public servants
Speaker 2: at the moment, what is your position when it comes
Speaker 2: to work from home? And would you prefer if people
Speaker 2: were back at work in central Melbourne will still got
Speaker 2: the feed up while doing their work at home in
Speaker 2: suburban Melbourne.
Speaker 3: Look, Paul, you won't be surprised to know that I'm
Speaker 3: a very strong supporter of people turning up to their
Speaker 3: workstation to do their work, and certainly the City of
Speaker 3: Melbourne we take a leadership role in these things.
Speaker 1: We lean in.
Speaker 3: We believe that you know, if you're working at one
Speaker 3: of our swimming pools or at a local library and
Speaker 3: the parks and guards, the Maternal Health Center, then you
Speaker 3: have to turn up at work to do your job.
Speaker 3: And if you're a bureaucrat working at town Hall, then
Speaker 3: you should be turning up as well, because we're all
Speaker 3: one Team Melbourne at the City and I've seen the
Speaker 3: debate federally on this matter, and look, I think the
Speaker 3: Australian government should be taking a similar approach. If you're
Speaker 3: a crew on an Australian naval vessel, if you're working
Speaker 3: in customs as part of Border Force, or you're a
Speaker 3: doctor or nurse and a GP clinic, you've got to
Speaker 3: turn up to your workstation. So everyone in the federal
Speaker 3: government should be doing the same.
Speaker 7: Nicholas Race.
Speaker 1: Nicholas Race joins Team Common.
Speaker 4: Says absolutely, and that's exactly how it should be, because
Speaker 4: I just think it's pretty simple. There's plenty of people
Speaker 4: who have to show up because the frontline services is
Speaker 4: where they have to be. They're there, and then making
Speaker 4: a difference are the ones in the background. They can't
Speaker 4: just please themselves and get around the fluffy sip slippers
Speaker 4: and the pjs. We actually need them to show up
Speaker 4: and frankly, I'd like to see if they could tell
Speaker 4: us the five things they did last week that was
Speaker 4: really contributing something good to all Australians. That would be
Speaker 4: an interesting exercise, Paul.
Speaker 1: We'll wait and see.
Speaker 7: But also again, what about the introduction of the gender
Speaker 7: part in all of this?
Speaker 2: And yes, okay, Sin you can play emails to the
Speaker 2: ghost about three blokes talking about this, but you know,
Speaker 2: I think we can all have some perspective on this.
Speaker 2: Gary again, you know, a classic Labor Party trying to
Speaker 2: find some way to say Liberal Party has a problem
Speaker 2: with women on a day with the poll shows that
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party has a higher primary bote with women
Speaker 2: than the Labor Party.
Speaker 4: Paul, The only women problem the Liberal Party ever had
Speaker 4: was that women saw through some stuff some years ago
Speaker 4: faster than the blokes, and they see through elbow faster
Speaker 4: than the blokes. Here too. Women are the ones who
Speaker 4: are at the front line in so many households, making
Speaker 4: the decisions to make the dollar go further. They're the
Speaker 4: one seeing the bills more often than the blokes because
Speaker 4: they have to multitask. They not only go and work
Speaker 4: and earn money for the household, but they look after kids,
Speaker 4: they look after the household itself. So I get it
Speaker 4: that people understand that elbow for me once, shame on
Speaker 4: you for me twice ain't going to happen. So this
Speaker 4: bloke is dead man walking, and rightly so.
Speaker 2: Well, fingers crossed from your words to the world's ears.
Speaker 2: All right, let's talk about dealing with Trump. Where Nicholas,
Speaker 2: look again, I get it probably if you did a
Speaker 2: survey of the voting public of the city of Melbourne.
Speaker 2: I don't know whether Trump wins or whether Harris gets
Speaker 2: the time, but decisions made by other people. And it's
Speaker 2: pretty obvious here that you know he is the president
Speaker 2: of the United States, will be for the next four years.
Speaker 2: That means the entirety of the next federal term is
Speaker 2: on Trump's watch. Now, a Redbridge pole came out and
Speaker 2: it showed that the majority of Australians, well sorry, the
Speaker 2: majority of people believe that it is Peter Dutton, not
Speaker 2: Anthony Obernezy, who would be better to handle the relationship.
Speaker 2: I just went through in chapter and verse that ridiculous
Speaker 2: scenario of the supposed meeting that Rudd had where no,
Speaker 2: he didn't really have one.
Speaker 7: He stalked him at a golf club and waived at him.
Speaker 2: This is what Peter Dutton says about why he's better
Speaker 2: on dealing with Trump.
Speaker 15: Well, I've worked very closely with the Obama administration, with
Speaker 15: the Trump administration, with the Biden administration, and we have
Speaker 15: good relationships with a number of people in the forty
Speaker 15: seventh presidency in the West wing, and we can work
Speaker 15: very closely and effectively with them.
Speaker 2: And then, of course the smart alecky stuff today Nicholas,
Speaker 2: where oh, you know every idea from America. He basically
Speaker 2: wants to simultaneously suck up to and punch Trump at
Speaker 2: the same time.
Speaker 1: In fact press play.
Speaker 11: No, we don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
Speaker 11: What we have here from Peter Dutton is that he's
Speaker 11: so policy lazy him in his term, that they just
Speaker 11: if they hear something, you know, on the news, an
Speaker 11: announcement from overseas about sacking public servants or people working
Speaker 11: from home or DEI, you know, the dreaded inclusion policy
Speaker 11: that they're so worried about, they say, yeah, I'll have
Speaker 11: some of that.
Speaker 7: I share the body language of Chris means shut up eight.
Speaker 3: Nicholas, Well, look, I do think Peter Dutton is more
Speaker 3: like Donald Trump than Anthony ALBERIZI is you do look
Speaker 3: at some of the positions he's taken, like on peacekeepers
Speaker 3: into Ukraine today, and you look at his language about
Speaker 3: you know, Europe having to do more that is Trump like,
Speaker 3: and you know it is the case. You look at
Speaker 3: the Liberal slogan, it's basically make Australia great again. So
Speaker 3: they're using the same political framework as Trump is. And look,
Speaker 3: if you ask Donald Trump who's he's supporting the election,
Speaker 3: I suspect he'd probably vote for Peter Dutton. So there
Speaker 3: are some parallels there. Of course for Australians, they've got
Speaker 3: to ask who's going to represent Australia the best. I think,
Speaker 3: more than ever we need a strong, independent prime minister
Speaker 3: who will take it up to whoever he needs to
Speaker 3: on the globalf I did.
Speaker 7: There was a poll and the answer was done in
Speaker 7: the country, but.
Speaker 2: Didn't we didn't literally A polling company asked the question
Speaker 2: and the answer was Peter Dutton.
Speaker 3: Nicholas Well, I think a lot of that's around. Who's
Speaker 3: the most like Donald Trump? I think I was to say,
Speaker 3: well that's Peter Dutton.
Speaker 2: No, I think the actual question, if I can find
Speaker 2: it here, here we go The which is, yeah, which
Speaker 2: leader is better suited to supporting, to working with And
Speaker 2: that was the question anyway, that's also Australian's view overall
Speaker 2: when it comes to Trump.
Speaker 7: I have to be straight up here.
Speaker 2: Ye you can see that the very unfavorable is it
Speaker 2: forty seven majority of Australians not on the Trump train.
Speaker 2: But let's get to the Ukraine of it all. Gary,
Speaker 2: I think that government should always be incredibly cautious about
Speaker 2: any sort of pre commitment about Australian troops being deployed
Speaker 2: anywhere that is not Australia or a direct defense of Australia.
Speaker 2: I was deeply critical of the Iraq War, less so Afghanistan,
Speaker 2: but certainly as that went on that made pretty obvious
Speaker 2: sense why those were not the places for us to
Speaker 2: remain to be remember, of course, after twenty years of Afghanistan,
Speaker 2: no disrespect the service of the people by the way
Speaker 2: leadership here Yet Anthony Albanez is out and about trying
Speaker 2: to step into the void that Trump clearly is going
Speaker 2: to create here because as we speak, whatever it was
Speaker 2: being shipped to Ukraine will not arrive in Ukraine.
Speaker 7: But Albo talking about troops roll this.
Speaker 11: One there's discussion at the moment about potential peacekeeping and
Speaker 11: from my government's perspective, we're open to consideration of any
Speaker 11: proposals going forward. As Australia has historically played an important
Speaker 11: role in areas including in Africa, in Cyprus, in a
Speaker 11: range of peacekeeping areas. We wanted to see peace in Ukraine.
Speaker 7: I can't take my eyes off Chris Mins. He's more
Speaker 7: bored by this bloke than I.
Speaker 2: And he's on the same team and you've got a
Speaker 2: television camera looking at him. Gary Again, I think we
Speaker 2: should be very cautious. I think that Australia in a
Speaker 2: peacekeeping role, well that comes after a deal. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's many, many, many steps. But I found it interesting
Speaker 2: that the Prime minister's trying to step up. Is you know,
Speaker 2: I got the chest up about Ukraine, but nothing to
Speaker 2: say about Chinese warships.
Speaker 4: No, and that's because our defense department is fat and lazy.
Speaker 4: It has always said, well, America will come and rescue
Speaker 4: us if we end up with a problem, and the
Speaker 4: problem is right about one thing, and that is Australia
Speaker 4: has always stepped up. But Paul, the world is changing
Speaker 4: right before all of our eyes right now, what Donald
Speaker 4: Trump is basically saying, why should a country of three
Speaker 4: hundred and thirty million that's America go and fight against
Speaker 4: the country of one hundred and forty million that's Russia
Speaker 4: when whole collection of countries of half a billion people
Speaker 4: that is Europe I really haven't got their act together.
Speaker 4: So my question is why should twenty seven million people
Speaker 4: contribute troops on the ground when half a billion people
Speaker 4: in Europe haven't really worked out what they're doing. So
Speaker 4: I think we need to be completely cautious about all
Speaker 4: of this. It is not so much not our war
Speaker 4: as really we have some bigger issues in our own
Speaker 4: reachion and a defense department all that basically says to
Speaker 4: could be enemies. Look, make an appointment if you want
Speaker 4: to invade, make an appointment if you want to attack us,
Speaker 4: because we've got to plan things. We're going to have
Speaker 4: great subs in thirty years from now. The entire Defense
Speaker 4: Department of Australia needs hosing out. They're the ones that
Speaker 4: take the medals off the troops, but they keep the
Speaker 4: medals themselves because they planned, you know, the particular event
Speaker 4: that occurred. So look, I have no faith in our
Speaker 4: defense Department planners. But the troops on the ground made
Speaker 4: I respect them, love them to death, and thank them
Speaker 4: for their service every day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, hallelujah. So with you here. Well, so don't forget Nicholas.
Speaker 2: What's dangling in and around all of this is China
Speaker 2: has said that they will offer military support to Russia. Okay, now,
Speaker 2: the idea that that is not part of the equation
Speaker 2: you've got it to. I just think there are moments
Speaker 2: of caution rather than Australia, you know, trying to meet
Speaker 2: to each other about who's going to jump in first,
Speaker 2: when we need to work out where Europe goes before
Speaker 2: Australia goes.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm sorry I couldn't agree and disagree with you
Speaker 3: more Gary and you Paul on this when this is
Speaker 3: not a time for pussy footing around. This is a
Speaker 3: time for strength. And I think what the Trump administration
Speaker 3: did today pausing military aid to Ukraine, will live in
Speaker 3: infamy for years to come, you know, years. The United
Speaker 3: States has been the arsenal. The United States has been
Speaker 3: the arsenal of democracy around the world, including for Australia.
Speaker 1: And Trumps.
Speaker 4: It and left always complains about you guys, always complain
Speaker 4: about Lord Mayor. And the left always complains about the
Speaker 4: US being the world's policeman. Now they want them to
Speaker 4: be the policeman. I can't keep up with what the
Speaker 4: international left including it seems a Gary Melbourne is saying, well.
Speaker 7: I mean you can this.
Speaker 3: It's not about left right, it's about what is actually
Speaker 3: the right thing for the world. And you want to
Speaker 3: go into history, Australia has got a long and proud
Speaker 3: record of peacekeeping Israel twice, Yugoslavia, Kosovo East Team or
Speaker 3: birth of that nation to our norm. Yes, and if
Speaker 3: the circumstances are right, we should be there again. And
Speaker 3: you look at you look at Peter Dutton today ruling
Speaker 3: out peacekeeping, saying Europe's got to do more like no, no,
Speaker 3: let's wait for the roofs on the ground.
Speaker 2: Let's work out when the war is about what Australia's
Speaker 2: role is after because we don't know again what that position.
Speaker 7: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying yes, I'm not saying no, but I'm
Speaker 2: saying today is not the day that i'd be saying yep,
Speaker 2: I'm going to send the boys or I'm going to
Speaker 2: forgive me, because peace through strength, peace through strength, guys,
Speaker 2: never forget that. Thank you lads. I think all three
Speaker 2: of us have got great jackets on today. Are all
Speaker 2: the best of all of our tailors. And I'm sure
Speaker 2: you're paid full price for them.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
Speaker 2: All right, quick break back with more Nigel Farags live
Speaker 2: in London. Let's see if he completes a quartet of
Speaker 2: snappy dressing warness.
Speaker 1: The great Nigel Farage.
Speaker 2: He is mixing up a UK politics and he's got
Speaker 2: an absolute in when it.
Speaker 7: Comes to Donald Trump.
Speaker 2: And I'm also always celebrating Nigel the great speech the
Speaker 2: day after you got elected, when people were interrupting.
Speaker 7: Boring, boring.
Speaker 2: I love it. I want that every day, every chance.
Speaker 2: I want that as a ring tone available for the
Speaker 2: Reform Party.
Speaker 4: Love.
Speaker 1: I love that.
Speaker 7: I really do so find any chance to do it.
Speaker 2: We're in so I love what you wrote in the
Speaker 2: Telegraph in the UK today, which was the UK is
Speaker 2: able to take certain positions when it comes to stepping up,
Speaker 2: maybe in relation to Ukraine because it's not part of
Speaker 2: the EU. Exit has given the UK the chance to
Speaker 2: be the alternative global leader here. I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: And this is an absolute vindication of what you fought for,
Speaker 2: so that when moments like this happen, the UK is
Speaker 2: not weird to Europe.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, But what an irony that it's secure Starmer, not
Speaker 8: just the great Remainer, but the man who was campaigning
Speaker 8: for a second referendum because he didn't like the result,
Speaker 8: and so the irony that he is now the beneficiary
Speaker 8: of this is not lost on me. But yeah, I
Speaker 8: mean it was very interesting on Saturday night ahead of
Speaker 8: the big summit that was held here in London on Sunday.
Speaker 8: You know, at Number ten themselves briefed that the UK
Speaker 8: now has a unique position compared to the rest of Europe.
Speaker 8: So yeah, we can talk to America, we can talk
Speaker 8: to Ukraine, we can talk to the European Union. As
Speaker 8: EU members, we would have been expected to speak with
Speaker 8: one voice. So yeah, it is an absolute vindication of
Speaker 8: Brexit and I couldn't be happier really, So let's get to.
Speaker 7: Where the UK is going to land here.
Speaker 2: I mean, Starmer seems like he wants to be the
Speaker 2: person at the heart of a coalition of the willing.
Speaker 2: But of course all of that in terms of resisting
Speaker 2: what's happening with Russia is going to cost an awful
Speaker 2: lot of money. It's what three hundred plus billion US dollars.
Speaker 2: So if that's all going to stop, then you're going
Speaker 2: to have to come up with a version of that,
Speaker 2: you know, in pounds and then obviously in the euros
Speaker 2: and all the.
Speaker 7: Rest of it.
Speaker 2: The appetite of the British public. Let's see, obviously everyone
Speaker 2: wants to fight for a democracy, but is Starma of
Speaker 2: the belief that the majority are willing to pay the
Speaker 2: price for where he is trying to position himself.
Speaker 8: Well, right now, about two thirds of the British public
Speaker 8: are strongly supportive of Ukrainian sovereignty against the Pootin incursion.
Speaker 8: About a third just say forget it, there's nothing to
Speaker 8: do with us. So that's roughly where we are on
Speaker 8: the numbers. But of the two thirds, when you actually
Speaker 8: ask them, you know, do you want to send the
Speaker 8: entire British army to Ukraine? And do you want to
Speaker 8: turn all of our munitions making over to Ukraine? Then
Speaker 8: you start to get different answers. And I think the
Speaker 8: absolute truth of where we are with this is that
Speaker 8: if the Americans were to walk away completely, that Starmer
Speaker 8: might find that the coalition of the Willing doesn't have
Speaker 8: that many members. So what is ultimately absolutely crucial here
Speaker 8: is that Zelenski and Trump come to some sort of accommodation.
Speaker 8: And I think the US minerals deal is a very
Speaker 8: very clever step in the right direction. And if we
Speaker 8: do that, we can find the right level of security guarantees,
Speaker 8: then this horrible war can come to an end. And remember,
Speaker 8: I know Australia is a long way away, but bear
Speaker 8: this in mind, folks. One million battle casualties in three years.
Speaker 8: This is of an extraordinary epic scale. Needs to end
Speaker 8: as quickly as possible.
Speaker 2: You remember of the European Parliament for a long time.
Speaker 2: Does the EU have the money to actually offer the
Speaker 2: same support that the US did? Now, obviously the US
Speaker 2: is in thirty something trillion dollars worth of dead so
Speaker 2: it's credit card on top of credit card, the way
Speaker 2: that you know European politics to work. Would they be
Speaker 2: willing to put their own countries into significant deficits or
Speaker 2: rack up that credit card? Yes, for the sovereignty of
Speaker 2: a European nation, not a member of the EU, not
Speaker 2: a member of NATO. But do they have the money
Speaker 2: to do it?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 8: And I think what's happened over the course of the
Speaker 8: last couple of weeks is because of the British position.
Speaker 8: You've seen Macro standing up and articulating a very French
Speaker 8: position as opposed to an EU position, and this Ursula
Speaker 8: vonder Layan, who is the boss of the European Commission,
Speaker 8: frankly as a bit of a laughing stock on the
Speaker 8: world stage. When you poll Europeans about this ISU, they say, yes,
Speaker 8: we must increase spending. What they mean is you must
Speaker 8: increase defense spending. We don't want to do it, and
Speaker 8: so I don't think that genuine will and resolve is there. Oh,
Speaker 8: countries like Poland of course will step up to the plate,
Speaker 8: but I suspect many many others simply won't do it.
Speaker 8: And I think you're really seeing, you know, an absolute
Speaker 8: test of the credibility of the European Union. And frankly,
Speaker 8: the truth is it's not really a player in this. Yeah,
Speaker 8: so let's get back to the meeting. And everyone's had
Speaker 8: this say, but you're a man who knows Trump, so
Speaker 8: will you know what was happening behind the scenes? You
Speaker 8: know what has been leading up to this for years,
Speaker 8: let alone months, and in the minutes.
Speaker 7: That took place.
Speaker 2: What did you think of that exchange? And was there
Speaker 2: an opportunity for Zelenski in that moment, like when when
Speaker 2: Trump's sort of up and up and ready, was there
Speaker 2: a chance for him to diffuse in that moment?
Speaker 8: Look, I think the problem for Zelenski was that psychologically,
Speaker 8: going into a meeting signing the minerals deal, which would
Speaker 8: be the first step towards a genuine peace process. I
Speaker 8: think Zelenski's psychological problem is that would mean giving up
Speaker 8: on crime here, it would mean accepting a large chunk
Speaker 8: of territory. Wasn't going to come back to Ukraine. And
Speaker 8: what's clear to me is he went into the White House,
Speaker 8: he wasn't ready for that meeting. And so in some
Speaker 8: ways the bust up perhaps was a good thing, a
Speaker 8: good thing in the sense that now both sides part,
Speaker 8: there'd be more angry words. But you know, at some
Speaker 8: points Zlenski has got to realize that without America, without America,
Speaker 8: he's not going to have a secure future. So I
Speaker 8: think the row was always going to happen. Basically, I
Speaker 8: would say this though, you know, if I was briefing
Speaker 8: someone who was going to meet President Trump, I would
Speaker 8: say this to them. He's old school, he's old fashioned.
Speaker 8: He looks how you're dressed, he looks to see your
Speaker 8: shoes are clean. You know, there is an old world
Speaker 8: element to Trump about how you appear, how you look
Speaker 8: on whether you're showing in respect. And I know that
Speaker 8: this has been Zelenski's calling card, this sort of battle
Speaker 8: dress that he wears, but it was definitely not the
Speaker 8: right thing to do on that day.
Speaker 2: Well, but also, I mean it's you know, I get
Speaker 2: it what he's trying to show here, which is I'm
Speaker 2: coming from the battlefront. You know, I'm not going to
Speaker 2: look like every other world leader because I'm the one
Speaker 2: under pressure. But I mean it's pretty obvious, right if
Speaker 2: your major security benefactor, the one paying for it all,
Speaker 2: tells you to turn up in a suit, turn up
Speaker 2: in a suit, all right, But he chose not to.
Speaker 2: And I think again, maybe there was that want to
Speaker 2: bust things up because the assumption was that the global
Speaker 2: pressure would somehow bring Trump back to the table. But again,
Speaker 2: you know, Trump's not going to come back to the
Speaker 2: table because the front page of a paper in Spain
Speaker 2: is yelling.
Speaker 8: At him, no, no, he's not And It's also worth
Speaker 8: remembering that the Republican movement in America, you know, is
Speaker 8: not particularly supportive of all the money and the efforts
Speaker 8: that have been going into Ukraine. Actually, in many ways,
Speaker 8: you know, trum Trump is a bigger internationalist the many
Speaker 8: of his own party and his own voters, and maybe
Speaker 8: we want to bear that in mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, all right, Just before we go, how are
Speaker 2: things with the reform at the moment? Latest polls again
Speaker 2: showing that you're in an incredibly strong position. But I
Speaker 2: notice a few things about tactical voting, meaning that people
Speaker 2: may well end up trying to block you by voting
Speaker 2: for parties they wouldn't agree with. This is all part
Speaker 2: of the argument about first part of the post versus
Speaker 2: preferences and the rest of it. Do you think that
Speaker 2: people who are being a bit smarty pants of a
Speaker 2: way to block you guys at the moment?
Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out.
Speaker 8: On May the first. We have English local county elections.
Speaker 8: They've counceled one or two of them, sadly, but fifteen
Speaker 8: million people get a chance to vote on May the first.
Speaker 8: It'll be the first real acid test, you know, is
Speaker 8: reform at the top or near the top of the poles.
Speaker 8: Is it r or is it real? And I am
Speaker 8: going to be traveling the length and breadth of these
Speaker 8: islands over the course of the next month or so
Speaker 8: to try and make it real. So ask me on
Speaker 8: May the second that I'll tell you how we're doing.
Speaker 2: What's your favorite garbage food that you get to eat
Speaker 2: when you're out and about in campaigning.
Speaker 8: Oh, fish and chips, fish and chips out of the
Speaker 8: bag with lashings of sort of vinegar.
Speaker 7: Lovely. I love it. I love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you mate. We'll see you again next week.
Speaker 7: Thank you.
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