1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,480 Speaker 1: It's joining me in the studio this morning, and there's 2 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: so much to get through. Tom kots and Toni's a 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:08,080 Speaker 1: transport minister. Good morning, Tom, morning, Matthew. Tell me a 4 00:00:08,080 --> 00:00:11,200 Speaker 1: little bit about Well, let's start with the big one today. Actually, 5 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: let's go with what you're about to announce, the long 6 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: awaited review into the taxi industry and the Passenger Transport 7 00:00:20,239 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: Act review has been released or you will be formally 8 00:00:22,680 --> 00:00:24,040 Speaker 1: releasing it in about an hour or so. 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:26,520 Speaker 2: That's right. So it's been a two year process. We 10 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,800 Speaker 2: promise that the election that we would review this. The 11 00:00:28,840 --> 00:00:33,000 Speaker 2: industry is in desperate need of an overhaul. You might 12 00:00:33,040 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 2: remember when Uber was led in to the taxi industry 13 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:40,040 Speaker 2: in twenty sixteen, it created a lot of disruptions, especially 14 00:00:40,040 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 2: for taxi drivers. Yep. So what the government is planning 15 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,920 Speaker 2: here is we need to overhaul this completely. Uber dominate 16 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,280 Speaker 2: the market. Now. There's over three and a half thousands 17 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 2: now right Uber vehicles, only a thousand taxis. A lot 18 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: of those taxis aren't on the road, so Uber are dominating. 19 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:04,600 Speaker 2: Uber unfortunately can use surge pricing to dramatically increase costs 20 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 2: on consumers. I'm hearing reports of a twenty two dollars 21 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 2: fare from the airport to the city end up being 22 00:01:11,720 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 2: sixty seventy dollars. It's dramatic amounts of money. That's a 23 00:01:16,480 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: lot of money, you know. I'm hearing that some people 24 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: turn their apps off to trigger the algorithm to do 25 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 2: all this, and taxes can't respond because there's only a 26 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 2: fixed number of them, and we can't release more taxis 27 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:30,759 Speaker 2: because people have made an investment in this government license, 28 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: so we need to compensate them properly, which is purchasing 29 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: those licenses off them. So we'll be purchasing them for 30 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 2: two hundred thousand dollars, which is the largest buy back 31 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,240 Speaker 2: in the country, and we'll be purchasing people who had 32 00:01:42,280 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 2: their taxes before twenty sixteen, before Uber was brought in. 33 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 2: And there are twenty nine recommendations in here about improving 34 00:01:49,000 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 2: safety and improving can consumer benefits to point to point travel. 35 00:01:54,720 --> 00:01:58,280 Speaker 2: There's also improvements to access cabs. Access cabs is something 36 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 2: that I'm very very concerned about. There about one hundred 37 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 2: access cabs out there. 38 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: Not enough, not enough. 39 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,760 Speaker 2: But again, they've made investments, they've paid, spent a lot 40 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,680 Speaker 2: of money on their vans, they spent a lot of 41 00:02:09,680 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 2: money on their licenses, and we've got this contradictory outcome 42 00:02:13,520 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: where there is overwhelming demand Uber for disability pick up, 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:23,640 Speaker 2: yet it's an unmet need. But drivers are telling me 44 00:02:23,760 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: there's no work and that they've got access cabs off 45 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 2: the road. So all three things can't be true. So 46 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,800 Speaker 2: there needs to be a buy back there as well, 47 00:02:33,360 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 2: where we buy them back and have some major reforms 48 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 2: there as well. So what we're looking at is a 49 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,120 Speaker 2: comprehensive reform. There are twenty nine of these of these 50 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 2: recommendations that they are landmark, and what I'd like to 51 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: do is consult in them. I'm minded to accept all 52 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,680 Speaker 2: of them, okay, but I want to consult with people 53 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: for a very short period of time, see what they think. 54 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:54,519 Speaker 2: Talk to the industry, talk to Uber, talk to cab drivers, 55 00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 2: talk to access cab drivers, talk to the union, the 56 00:02:56,480 --> 00:03:00,480 Speaker 2: Transport Workers union about how this all works. Because I 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 2: think we need to actually have a system that is safe. 58 00:03:03,360 --> 00:03:06,000 Speaker 2: People are getting into ubers and it's very hard to 59 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:11,640 Speaker 2: identify the driver. There are multiple f pos machines. We 60 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:14,799 Speaker 2: can't have that. We can't have this. My wife got 61 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 2: into a taxi the other day and was told she 62 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,239 Speaker 2: got out and to get into a taxi at the casino, 63 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:23,799 Speaker 2: and a young man told her where you're going. She said, Torrensville, 64 00:03:24,160 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 2: where we live, and he said, I'll do it for 65 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 2: forty dollars. 66 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,000 Speaker 1: I've had this. I've had this in a cab. 67 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 2: They're trying to compete with it. It's not their fault. 68 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:32,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's not right either. 69 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 2: It's not right. No. So there's a quirk. If there's 70 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 2: a quirk in the regulations that allows you to agree 71 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 2: on a set fair beforehand. Oh is there yes? 72 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: Okay, So I said to the driver that said it 73 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: to me, Well, you've got a meter, put it on. 74 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I want to protect the meter. Yeah, I 75 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 2: need to protect the meter. 76 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: I didn't know they had that right though, they do. 77 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:51,000 Speaker 2: If you go in and so this I'm going to gaula. 78 00:03:52,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 2: Would you do it for X? The driver can agree 79 00:03:54,600 --> 00:03:56,320 Speaker 2: and not to turn the meter on. Okay, you can 80 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: do it through agreement. But what people don't know are 81 00:03:59,320 --> 00:04:02,880 Speaker 2: they're right. And I'll give you some other anecdotes as well, Matthew. 82 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 2: I've had letters to my offers of people saying search 83 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: pricing on a weekend, couldn't get my kids into an uber. 84 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 2: So I sent them to a taxi rank. And my 85 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 2: kids were standing outside of a taxi rank, plenty of 86 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: taxis there, and they had no idea they could just 87 00:04:17,839 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 2: jump in. I thought they had to download an app 88 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 2: order it. So there's a level of education here as 89 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 2: well that is lost in an entire generation of young people. 90 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 2: That's amazing, who don't know they can just jump into 91 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: a cab on a taxi rank. So a lot of 92 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: these reforms are about trying to lower the cost of 93 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 2: point to point travel, compensating taxi drivers, getting getting their 94 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 2: licenses back so the government can own them, so we 95 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 2: can release more taxis. But we're going to are going 96 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 2: to have to increase the point to point levered by 97 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,280 Speaker 2: a dollar to pay for all this. But what that 98 00:04:53,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 2: means is is that that money can be used to 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:59,479 Speaker 2: compensate drivers, make sure that the disability sector when they 100 00:04:59,520 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: call it call a taxi can get one. 101 00:05:02,240 --> 00:05:05,040 Speaker 1: So a dollar more ride. Now there's a dollar going 102 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: for an airport levy. 103 00:05:05,920 --> 00:05:09,640 Speaker 2: Still, yes, there's a dollar. There's a two dollars two 104 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,680 Speaker 2: dollars three dollar at the end of the airport that's 105 00:05:11,720 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 2: already there. 106 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:15,480 Speaker 1: So it's another dollar on top of whatever, it's already charged. 107 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:18,880 Speaker 2: That's right. Yes. So what one of the great concerns 108 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: I have is the disability sector that we've had only 109 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 2: four cases over the last two months where people have 110 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 2: gone to concerts or football games and there being people 111 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 2: with disabilities left at the oval till two three o'clock 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 2: in the morning. We've had to have an ambulance take 113 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 2: them unreal to the hospital to wait for an access 114 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 2: cap to come in the morning. Now, it is a 115 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:47,560 Speaker 2: human right to have access to public transport, yeah, in 116 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 2: my mind, absolutely, and people with disabilities have a right 117 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 2: to go out to a restaurant with their. 118 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: Families in this country one hundred percent. 119 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: So the idea that you can be stranded in a 120 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,600 Speaker 2: wheelchair when you're very vulnerable as well, especially on weekend 121 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: when there's people out there potentially having a little good 122 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:06,280 Speaker 2: time and some antisocial behavior going on. We want to 123 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 2: protect these people. So if you go into an event, 124 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 2: you go into a family dinner, you should be able 125 00:06:10,640 --> 00:06:11,799 Speaker 2: to get home again. 126 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: Question is if you've got X number of cabs licensed 127 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: pre twenty sixteen, pre uber and they all think two 128 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 1: hundred grand, that's the best deal I'm ever going to 129 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:23,840 Speaker 1: get for these plates and they all come in. Can 130 00:06:23,880 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 1: you do that? We have to, Okay, we have to. 131 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: So there's no cap. 132 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: Oh, there is a cap. There's a cap on. So 133 00:06:30,040 --> 00:06:35,480 Speaker 2: there we are. We are compensating owner drivers. The investors 134 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:38,919 Speaker 2: will get a lower fee, so up to six taxis. 135 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 2: We'll give you ten thousand dollars for every license after 136 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: the first. So it's turning one thousand dollars for the 137 00:06:43,839 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 2: first and then ten thousand afterwards. That would be difficult 138 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 2: for some people to accept, but the truth is we're 139 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,039 Speaker 2: not here to look after the investors and speculators. We 140 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:55,720 Speaker 2: look after the owner operators. We will have dispensation and 141 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 2: an ability for people who bought out auction and potentially 142 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 2: have manuating circumstances who paid he may receive more than 143 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 2: ten of one thousand dollars. So if you've bought out 144 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 2: an auction and you can show us through mortgage repayments 145 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:11,280 Speaker 2: on a license now valueless because of Uber, yes, we'll 146 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 2: have those extenuating circumstances as well. But I mean, this 147 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 2: is public money and we've got to do it properly. 148 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 2: But I do want to look after the owner operators. 149 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 2: I want to look after the battlers who were out 150 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,520 Speaker 2: there running it as a family business. 151 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: If you get access cabs coming back and you can't 152 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: find somebody then to take that license on. Are we 153 00:07:28,920 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: going to be even a greater shortage of access cabs 154 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:31,920 Speaker 1: on the road? 155 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 2: I think, Look, my plan is to go out to 156 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: the market and say, look, what is the model here 157 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:41,520 Speaker 2: that we think we can address this. Is it an 158 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,600 Speaker 2: on demand service, is it a contractor model? Is it 159 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 2: a government model? We don't know yet, but there needs 160 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 2: to be reformed. And anyone who thinks access cabs is 161 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: working now it's working for a cohort people. Some access 162 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 2: cap drivers are doing exceptionally well. Some are really struggling 163 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 2: to put food on the table. These two extremes in 164 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:04,120 Speaker 2: the access cab spectrum and it's just not working. And 165 00:08:04,120 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 2: if you speak to the average disability advocate, they'll say 166 00:08:07,000 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: to you, in some cases it works well and other 167 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: cases is a complete disaster. 168 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 1: Will ubers have to have cameras on the inside of 169 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 1: their cars? Yes, okay, so that's changing. 170 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 2: That's changing. I want some safety measures. I want to 171 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 2: make sure you can identify your driver. I want you 172 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 2: to identify your Uber. Vehicle needs to be greaterlivery on 173 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,960 Speaker 2: these vehicles. But look, there are costs here, right, So 174 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to force this on people immediately. There 175 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: will be very long transition period and we may even 176 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: assist if we need to with cameras. But I want 177 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:37,640 Speaker 2: to make sure that we do this in a way 178 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,720 Speaker 2: that the reform can last and we actually give people 179 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 2: the opportunity to have a safe ride. There are far 180 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 2: too many circumstances where Uber drivers are victims of crime 181 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: and passengers of Uber vehicles are victims of crime. Now 182 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 2: I've got young daughters, they're coming of an age where 183 00:08:57,280 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 2: they're going to start going out. I'd prefer them to 184 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:01,960 Speaker 2: catch taxi than an Uber because I know that there 185 00:09:01,960 --> 00:09:04,680 Speaker 2: are safety measures in place and they're well regulated. But 186 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: I think Uber is becoming much more popular and we 187 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,160 Speaker 2: need to make sure that there are safety measures in 188 00:09:10,200 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: there for young, vulnerable people who are in there, especially 189 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 2: if it's late at night and they're going home after 190 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 2: a lot of drinks. Yeah. 191 00:09:15,040 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: Oh, indeed eight double two to three double o double 192 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:20,079 Speaker 1: oh is the number the Minister Transport, Minister Tom Kots 193 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: and Tonus in the studio lots to unpack there. When 194 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: do you want to have this in place by. 195 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: Well, the sooner the better, but we are going out 196 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 2: to consult. I want to start the buyback as soon 197 00:09:32,120 --> 00:09:35,880 Speaker 2: as possible, so depending on the reforms they have to 198 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:40,040 Speaker 2: pass Parliament, and I'm looking for bipartisan support here, and 199 00:09:40,040 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 2: I'd be looking for a very speedy passes through the parliament, 200 00:09:43,640 --> 00:09:46,840 Speaker 2: hopefully as quickly as possible. But that'll be up to 201 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 2: the parliament. But I think this reform is something that 202 00:09:49,480 --> 00:09:53,240 Speaker 2: is now government policy. The Labor government is keen to 203 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 2: do this. I was part of the government that allowed 204 00:09:56,760 --> 00:09:59,400 Speaker 2: uber in. I think we did what we could at 205 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 2: the time. But I think what we've seen over the 206 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 2: passage of time is a lot of disenfranchisement, a lot 207 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:10,559 Speaker 2: of anger from a lot of people who invested a 208 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: lot of money, especially people who bought from a government auctions. 209 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 2: They're the ones who I feel. 210 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: Some of these plates sold for three hundred and fifty 211 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 1: thousand more. That's right, taxi plates. 212 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:23,439 Speaker 2: That's right. So I am. I am very concerned about 213 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 2: those people. 214 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 3: Me. 215 00:10:24,360 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 2: You imagine being a family you borrow money to buy 216 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: a government license. Now you take your own mind about 217 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: whether that's financially sound or that decision. But they did, 218 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 2: and they brought it off the government government and good auction, 219 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:41,000 Speaker 2: and then a year later the government's allowing some to 220 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 2: compete with you. No entry costs, it's worthless. So there 221 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: needs to be a level of compensation here which is 222 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 2: asked buying these licenses back. 223 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:51,520 Speaker 1: Okay, now that's a fair few million if they all 224 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:52,840 Speaker 1: come in, or at least a lot of them. 225 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:55,679 Speaker 2: This is not compulsory. No, there are some people who 226 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:57,880 Speaker 2: want to keep their TEXTI licenses because they're doing quite well. 227 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: Let's look at a couple of other things. So that 228 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,480 Speaker 1: is a big one. This morning, you're announcing that for 229 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: million about an hour or so and breaking news here, 230 00:11:04,920 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: thank you driving driver training laws. Now, you and I 231 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,960 Speaker 1: have spoken about this before when my oldest son was 232 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: going through this process, and so many stories that have 233 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: come out about it since of the industry, and they're 234 00:11:16,840 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 1: not all cowboys. Some are very good and very caring 235 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: and professional, but some are just cowboys. Where you make 236 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,200 Speaker 1: a booking and they can fail a kid, they can 237 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:29,680 Speaker 1: drag out the log book process, they can almost find 238 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: a technicality. Sorry you failed, come back, and you spend 239 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: four hundred and fifty five hundred on a test it's outrageous. 240 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 2: I'm hearing people that's been spending thousands of really thousands 241 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: of dollars on training and testing, thousands of dollars, you know, 242 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 2: two months worth of training and then foil a test. Yeah, 243 00:11:48,200 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: fifteen hundred dollars. These are extraordinary amounts of money. Now, 244 00:11:53,559 --> 00:11:57,840 Speaker 2: in my experience, I think parents are well well suited 245 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: to know when their children are ready to take a test. Yeah, 246 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:02,839 Speaker 2: a lot of parents are very frustrated. We've had a 247 00:12:02,880 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 2: number of sexual assaults in vehicles, We've had cases of bribery. 248 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:09,440 Speaker 2: I've had people come to me and say they've been 249 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 2: told to turn up to car parks with cash, not 250 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 2: electronic transfer payments. 251 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 1: See they've done that. 252 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:17,160 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean this sort of stuff's got to stop. 253 00:12:17,400 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: So my view is I want to insource. That is, 254 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: have government inspectors, government testers who will test your children 255 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 2: to know that the government thinks your child is ready 256 00:12:27,840 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 2: to have a provisional license. I still want the private 257 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 2: sector to do the training. I think that's important. I 258 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 2: think there are very good trainers out there who do 259 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,439 Speaker 2: a good job, and I think they're aching for these 260 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 2: types of reforms because they're being besmirched by a small 261 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 2: cohort of rotten apples, So I think this reform will 262 00:12:44,240 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 2: weed them out. I want cameras in those vehicles so 263 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: we can monitor them independently monitored. I want a tracker 264 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 2: on these vehicles so we know where these vehicles are 265 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 2: at all times, so you know where your children are 266 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: and where they're going. And I want at the end 267 00:12:57,360 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: of the assessment done by a government inspector, not by 268 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:02,079 Speaker 2: not by the person you're paying for the training, because 269 00:13:02,120 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 2: the incentive is just overwhelming. Now IKAC did an investigation 270 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,079 Speaker 2: into this, and great credit to Anne Vanstone, the k commissioner. 271 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 2: The work she did here was first class. And what 272 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: this report has found is that there have been sexual assaults, bribery. 273 00:13:18,400 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: It's opened the bribrary, the high risk of bribery, a 274 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 2: lot of cowboys in the industry, and it's very hard 275 00:13:24,280 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 2: to delineate the good from the bag. Now, the good 276 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 2: are very good. 277 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: They are they found a good one ultimately. 278 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 2: That's right, and you want to protect them. And the 279 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:34,679 Speaker 2: way you protect them is by saying that their training 280 00:13:35,040 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 2: is good enough to be independently assessed by the government, 281 00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:39,679 Speaker 2: and we will weed these people out. Now, this is 282 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 2: a reform that it's going to take a lot longer. 283 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 2: This is going to take about two years to implement 284 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: because I've got to get about forty fifty drivers driver 285 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 2: trainers into the government. We've got to train them up. 286 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: We've not done this for a long long time, so 287 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:53,719 Speaker 2: it's going to be something that we're going to have 288 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: to de live out a service essay. We've got to 289 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 2: make sure we can meet regional harriers. So that's why 290 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 2: I need a little bit of patience from people. But 291 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,040 Speaker 2: just to say the reform is coming. 292 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:06,680 Speaker 1: All right, So that's that's positive. There a couple of 293 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,320 Speaker 1: other things. Well, while you're here as wearing the transport hat, 294 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: still buses a lot of chatter on social media over 295 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: the scrapping of the express between the city and Mount Barker. 296 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,439 Speaker 1: Is that something the department will have to look at. 297 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: People complaining the extra time that you reckon. I think 298 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: last time we spoke two or three minutes via Krafers, 299 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: but it's taking a lot longer that the trip is longer. 300 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,760 Speaker 1: Overall you concern about initiore, I mean, it's only been 301 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,400 Speaker 1: five days, but it's been. 302 00:14:30,280 --> 00:14:32,800 Speaker 2: It's basically a forty five percent increase in services in 303 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 2: it's some dramatic improvement. There's a lot more services, and 304 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 2: the advice I have is only it is only adding 305 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:41,160 Speaker 2: two or three minutes, but there are a lot more 306 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:44,720 Speaker 2: frequent of them. So I'm hearing operating every three to 307 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 2: five minutes or every ten minutes in the Oblatt Hill. 308 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: So the frequency is there, be in and out of 309 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 2: the city. Before we make any decisions, let's see how 310 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:54,160 Speaker 2: this bends down. 311 00:14:54,640 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 1: Maybe one in three to one in five should be 312 00:14:56,680 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: the express. 313 00:14:57,160 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 2: Still I don't know. I mean I want these buses. Yeah, 314 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 2: I don't want to be moving air around. Yeah, sure, 315 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:04,880 Speaker 2: you know that's my big problem. In the middle of 316 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: the day, I look at a bus it's empty. Yeah. 317 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:07,520 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we are. 318 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 2: Paying to move air around. So we're going to look 319 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 2: at ways of improving this. 320 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:13,600 Speaker 1: All right, let's go to if you call a slip 321 00:15:13,640 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: the headphones on Minister John at Oakland's Park regarding taxis 322 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: Morning John. 323 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 4: Good morning, Matthew, and good morning minister. Now we believe 324 00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 4: in supporting the taxi companies. Anyway, my wife had to 325 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,960 Speaker 4: go down to the Morphoville Medical Center on Monday, and 326 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 4: we made a pre booking to come back from the 327 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 4: medical center and I'll give you an idea back to say, 328 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:46,680 Speaker 4: the Marion Shopping Center. When my wife, on the return trip, 329 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:49,920 Speaker 4: went to get in the car, the driver asked if 330 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 4: she was paying cash or card, and she said, I'll 331 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 4: pay cash when she got to our address. From there 332 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 4: it took about fifteen minutes. He charged her forty two dollars. 333 00:16:04,480 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 4: What yep from the corner of Morphoot Road and Jack, 334 00:16:09,640 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 4: I waited the Marion Shopping Center. 335 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: Do you have that? That was the meter on? 336 00:16:15,600 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 4: Well, she doesn't know. She'd had a spill and she 337 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 4: was all she was worried about was getting back home. 338 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 2: Does she have the taxi drivers? Do you know the 339 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,000 Speaker 2: date and the number of the taxis? 340 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 4: I'll tell you. I'll tell you more than that, Tom, 341 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 4: I actually have a very good memory. I actually know 342 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:37,400 Speaker 4: the job number and all. And I actually rang, I 343 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 4: rang the taxi control board and I said what is 344 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:48,360 Speaker 4: the fare from that point to Marrion Shopping and she 345 00:16:48,400 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 4: said between twenty to twenty five dollars? And we were 346 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: charged forard too. And on the way going down there, 347 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 4: it was even a classic. We had a driver taker 348 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:03,160 Speaker 4: and he took her up onto Marion Road and he 349 00:17:03,200 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 4: didn't put the meter on, and he took her down 350 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:12,080 Speaker 4: to crossroads Anti Kia away to the center and he said, oh, 351 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 4: I haven't put the meter on. What should I charge it? 352 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,880 Speaker 4: And I had actually told or was it shouldn't cost 353 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 4: any more in the twenty five and she said, well, 354 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 4: I've only got thirty and he took the thirty. He 355 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: didn't give a five dollars change either. 356 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:28,960 Speaker 1: John, we might get your details for the master. 357 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 2: John, I would love your details, So Tammy will take 358 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 2: your details and I'll get all the information. One of 359 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 2: the reforms in the twenty nine here is we're abolishing 360 00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:42,200 Speaker 2: the board that oversees this and because quite frankly, there 361 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,400 Speaker 2: are people in the point to point industry who shouldn't 362 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,400 Speaker 2: be in it, not just taxis, but you know Uber 363 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:51,760 Speaker 2: and other point to point where there are cases that 364 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 2: where we should absolutely be burning people out of the industry, 365 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:57,879 Speaker 2: and there are cases where people with minor infractions are 366 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,640 Speaker 2: being unfortunate unfairly treated. Yeah, and it needs a major overhaul. 367 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: So I want to have those powers brought back into 368 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: government so I can actually have an oversight of this 369 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:08,480 Speaker 2: and have the murder registered. I deal with this directly. 370 00:18:08,600 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: Excellent, all right, Sandy, at West Lakes. Good morning, Oh, 371 00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: good morning. 372 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm just wondering if there's any chance that we 373 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 5: might reinstate the bus that goes along the coast well 374 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 5: used to have one many years ago. 375 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: Is this the three three three the La Feva Peninsula. 376 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 5: It hasn't gone forever as far as I know. 377 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: How do you know that, Meta? 378 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 1: I know, Transport Minister. 379 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 5: Him Matthew, the three three three hasn't run for years 380 00:18:39,119 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 5: and years, Like, I don't think Tom would even be 381 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 5: before your time. 382 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:45,919 Speaker 2: I'm up there. 383 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,440 Speaker 5: Can I just say this, I can't get from West 384 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 5: Lakes to Pleneal without using two forms of trade sport. 385 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, okay, I'll see what I'll do, Sandy. I'll 386 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,199 Speaker 2: go along and have a look at that. But the 387 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 2: problem we've got is I'm finding it hard to get 388 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:06,760 Speaker 2: bus drivers. We're basically our economy is close to full employment. 389 00:19:09,320 --> 00:19:11,320 Speaker 2: It's a job that we've got a lot of our 390 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: bus drivers, you know, over fifty five. We're trying to 391 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 2: get new people into it. Difficult working conditions. They're working 392 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 2: a lot of split shifts. So I want to try 393 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: and address all that. We've addressed some of the pay issues, 394 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 2: but bus driving is a great profession that I like 395 00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: to get more people into. It's a great job for 396 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,760 Speaker 2: people to get involved in. Great view, you're not stuck 397 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:40,359 Speaker 2: in the same place. And you know, we're making buses 398 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 2: a lot safer with the screens and hopefully can get 399 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 2: those screens in a lot faster than the four years. 400 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: I've seen some of the full screens catching buses and 401 00:19:49,800 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 1: they do the job I suppose they do. 402 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 2: They do, they do. So we are doing a lot 403 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: to clean up our bus system. And when you see 404 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: our new buses that are all electric or hydroen fuel 405 00:20:00,320 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 2: cell or hybrid, they're a lot quieter. And there were 406 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:04,840 Speaker 2: a lot got a better amenity. 407 00:20:04,960 --> 00:20:07,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, ridden the hydrogen one court that the other day 408 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:09,680 Speaker 1: and that was what did you quiet? Really good? 409 00:20:09,800 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 2: It's great, isn't it? 410 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: And more so when it left when I got dropped 411 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: off at the start, just couldn't hear it leave it? Well, 412 00:20:15,600 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 1: was right next to it. That was that was good. 413 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: It was actually noisier being in it. 414 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: Think of the change to the amenity of the city 415 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: because the reverberation between buildings at about diesel buses taking 416 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 2: off and stopping causes a lot of noise pollution in 417 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:32,040 Speaker 2: the city. Imagine that going silent. It'd be amazing. 418 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:34,160 Speaker 1: You'd have to watch where you're crossing the road. Definitely 419 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:37,119 Speaker 1: talking of roads. Chris on South Road morning, Chris. 420 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 3: Oh, hello, Matthew and Tom. 421 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:40,560 Speaker 2: Hi Chris. 422 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 3: My complaint question. Whatever is my place? My home was acquired, yes, yes, 423 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:54,679 Speaker 3: nearly two years ago. Yes, it hasn't been settled. I 424 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:57,639 Speaker 3: mean I've moved, they released enough money. I'm in a 425 00:20:57,680 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 3: retirement village now, okay, which which I really didn't want 426 00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 3: to do. Okay, I'm happy enough here, but it's still 427 00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 3: not finalized. There's nothing we hear, nothing like we've been. 428 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 3: When I say boy, I mean my neighbor and I 429 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 3: do you. 430 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 2: Have a lawyer? Do you have a lawyer? 431 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:18,080 Speaker 3: Chris, excellent lawyer. Yes, yes, done all that and he's great. 432 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:25,320 Speaker 2: But nothing, Chris, I'd like you to email me your 433 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 2: situation at minister dot emailing. I'm sorry, okay, okay, can 434 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,920 Speaker 2: you leave your details with Tammy and I'll get my 435 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: life to call you back today and see if I 436 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:37,399 Speaker 2: can't help you. But the problem I have is the 437 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: moment someone has a lawyer, I have to negotiate with 438 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 2: their lawyer because that's a statutory role that the law 439 00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:46,639 Speaker 2: sets out. But Chris, I'd be happy to talk to 440 00:21:47,080 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 2: her about her situations if I can't move at a. 441 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,880 Speaker 1: Long, faster fantastic hold on there, Chris Terry at Simophore morning, Terry. 442 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 6: Good morning. 443 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,880 Speaker 3: Did you hear me? Yeah, I just. 444 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 7: Wanted to say about the driving instructor new build that's 445 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,040 Speaker 7: going through. Your first comment on the radio said that 446 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:12,680 Speaker 7: the students make a little infringement and they get failed. 447 00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 7: Best of all, CBPA and examiners are trained by government auditors, 448 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,159 Speaker 7: and when we fail as student, it's because they maybe 449 00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 7: go through fifty through a school zone, or maybe they 450 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 7: go through a red light, or maybe they don't stop 451 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:31,600 Speaker 7: at the stop sign. That's why they have failed. Now, 452 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,560 Speaker 7: these students are trained by their parents, and someone said 453 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 7: this morning that if they put the parents through a 454 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:41,040 Speaker 7: driving test, they would fail. So you've got still wrong. 455 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,920 Speaker 7: It's not the examiners. We are trained and we fail 456 00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,240 Speaker 7: people when they cannot drive and they don't meet the 457 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 7: government's standards. It's the trainers or that awarding system. 458 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: Terry. I would love for you to apply become one 459 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: of our government inspectors. We need people like you who 460 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: are passionate about this industry and who are passionate about 461 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: driver training. But the IKAC report that I've received Independent 462 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:08,040 Speaker 2: Commission Against Coruption report is clear there needs to be 463 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 2: separation between the examiners and the trainers that will remove 464 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: the bribery and corruption risk. Obviously, Terry is someone who 465 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 2: was passionate about this industry and sounds like the perfect 466 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: candidate to work for the South Australian government to do 467 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 2: those to do that driver assessment. 468 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:25,400 Speaker 1: Good on you, Terry, Thank you for the call. Richard 469 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 1: at bally View morning, Yeah. 470 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,000 Speaker 6: Good morning. I've got an issue with an uber rider had. 471 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 6: I used ubers for a bit, but one particular time 472 00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 6: I checked my account and I've been charged one hundred 473 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:43,480 Speaker 6: and fifty dollars for spilling a drink on a seat. 474 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 6: Now I totally deny it. They sent me a picture 475 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 6: of a seat with had silly Johnnie. That was an 476 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:52,879 Speaker 6: obvious picture of You know, you couldn't argue that, But 477 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 6: I said, I don't think I've done this. Can you? 478 00:23:57,680 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 6: Can you have a date at a time, like every 479 00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 6: baray you take these days on your phone? They just said, no, 480 00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 6: we don't. 481 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 2: Have to, Richard. This is the problem. This is the problem. 482 00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:13,600 Speaker 2: That's right. You give someone an authorization in an app 483 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,600 Speaker 2: to deduct from your credit card. This is this is why, 484 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:22,119 Speaker 2: this is why taxis are such a good service. You 485 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 2: can get in a taxi. There's a government meter, there's 486 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 2: a driver, there's a camera. You can identify the driver 487 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:30,360 Speaker 2: in the camera. But there aren't enough taxis. 488 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,680 Speaker 1: And that's the problem because you know, elderly people will 489 00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: book one and they can't get it. They don't, it 490 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: doesn't turn up, and they're waiting an hour. I told 491 00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 1: this story on air just a couple of weeks ago. 492 00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: If we called this woman an uber, it came in 493 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,560 Speaker 1: a minute, that's right. 494 00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,840 Speaker 2: So if I if the government can deal with the 495 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 2: legacy issue of taxi drivers who quite frankly owed this compensation, 496 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 2: then we can release more taxis and take them on 497 00:24:55,680 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 2: and people like Richard won't have these issues, and then 498 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:02,360 Speaker 2: evil will have to compare with taxis. I think, okay, 499 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:05,920 Speaker 2: I've got real competition. Now, Now do we want to 500 00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,000 Speaker 2: be able to deduct these things without talking to the 501 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 2: person in advance? Richard might think twice about catching it, 502 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 2: might catch a. 503 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: Taxi before you go. You've only got a minute or 504 00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:18,119 Speaker 1: so left with us I understand from your person outside, 505 00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 1: but very quickly, IEMO this week warned this is where 506 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: in your Energy Minister's hat. Now EMO this week warned 507 00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:27,880 Speaker 1: of blackouts, including for South Australia over summer. What can 508 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: we do to avert that? Probably not a lot. It's 509 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: all we need baseload. Ultimately here we do. 510 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:38,560 Speaker 2: But there are two reliability standards. We meet the reliability 511 00:25:38,600 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 2: standard that we've always had. We set an interim reliability rate, 512 00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:46,119 Speaker 2: which is set for really extreme events, which means that 513 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,960 Speaker 2: we might have a shortage of power in a very 514 00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,680 Speaker 2: very rare set of circumstances. And this is basically an auction. 515 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 2: So AEMO say, we think what we say, you're okay, 516 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 2: there'll be no blackouts, but in this really rare scenario, 517 00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 2: you might have a blackout. So we're holding an auction 518 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:05,119 Speaker 2: and there's just a way of identifying a market signal. 519 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 2: So I'm not concerned about blackouts this summer. This is 520 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 2: exactly the same thing was told to us. It was indeed, 521 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 2: and it didn't happen. Yeah, because it's just the way 522 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 2: the market operates. But unfortunately, like I said earlier, this 523 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 2: has been politicized completely. It's no longer an energy system. 524 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,160 Speaker 2: It's a political system. So everyone with their own sort 525 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 2: of beef about renewables and nuclear or coal, whatever it is, 526 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 2: takes what the independent regulator says and politicizes it and 527 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: we all view it through that leans. 528 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 1: The premier says, energy is a public policy disaster. 529 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:34,320 Speaker 2: It's a failure. 530 00:26:34,440 --> 00:26:35,879 Speaker 1: Okay, what are we going to do about it? Why 531 00:26:35,920 --> 00:26:38,399 Speaker 1: don't you, for instance, take control of price setting back 532 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: from the energy regulator for network prices, what we do 533 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: with the retail. 534 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,399 Speaker 2: The strain energy regulator does that for us as a default. 535 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,440 Speaker 1: Mart does it for you. But why don't you take 536 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,400 Speaker 1: it back and set it yourself, because you can. 537 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 2: We can't. I do have the power to do that. Yeah, 538 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 2: but I don't own any generators yet, but any transmission lines. 539 00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 2: But if I set the prices too low to meet 540 00:26:58,800 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: public demand, yes, they might not operate at all. 541 00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:03,600 Speaker 1: You get re elected, well. 542 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 2: Not if there're are blackouts because people are turning their 543 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,359 Speaker 2: generators off. This is the thing, right, the moment you 544 00:27:08,440 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: scramble this egg, the moment you privatize generators and give 545 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:16,480 Speaker 2: them to shareholders, guess what they want to make money? 546 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 2: So people think, s to me, why we've got so 547 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:24,960 Speaker 2: many renewables. Why is power expensive? Because when renewables aren't operating, 548 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,359 Speaker 2: the gap is what you're paying for, and the gap 549 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 2: is gas, and gas is so expensive. 550 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, and are we ever going to you know, Chris 551 00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:34,919 Speaker 1: Bowen down this renewable madness path, which and renewables have 552 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: their place, right, but are we ever going to have 553 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,560 Speaker 1: enough for them to be operating and have the power. 554 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: We've got to fill the country. 555 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 2: But look how much space we have. Look how much 556 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 2: space and technology is changing. 557 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: What are we going to do in summer when it's 558 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: thirty five degrees at two am. 559 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 2: You'll you'll have a gas five power station that will 560 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,119 Speaker 2: be operating as a peakle charging an arm and a leg. Well, well, 561 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 2: it depends, it depends. You know, there are any stupid 562 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,880 Speaker 2: policies by people who try and bang gas extraction. Yeah, 563 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 2: my political opponents, Yeah, you know, you would be surprised 564 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 2: to know that they're the ones who. 565 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: Will that's everyone tals greens. 566 00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:11,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we have to work out, we have to 567 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,960 Speaker 2: understand that we need to have a form of generation 568 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 2: that can turn on and off in a cost effective 569 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 2: way to firm renewables. And that's the way to go for. 570 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,919 Speaker 1: It all right, nippies and their issues where power has 571 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 1: gone from fifty odd thousand in their fixed contract monthly 572 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,720 Speaker 1: to over one hundred thousand dollars. Businesses can't wear this forever. 573 00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: They'll put up the price of OJ and then people 574 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: stop buying it, then unemployment. 575 00:28:32,760 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 2: I spoke to Ben from Ni about his situation. He 576 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,080 Speaker 2: had three contracts and the two were fixed, which were 577 00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 2: very good prices. He said he went to the spot 578 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 2: market and he got burned on the spot market and 579 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,080 Speaker 2: it was unfortunate for him. He's not concerned about reliable there, 580 00:28:45,120 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: but he is worried about costs. 581 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people are worry every business. 582 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it is. It is a problem, but it 583 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: is getting better. Prices are dropping. And what we keep 584 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 2: on forgetting is that Australia is not immune to international shocks. 585 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,080 Speaker 2: This is not a South Australian issue. This is an 586 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 2: Australian issue because we export so many of our resources 587 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:05,440 Speaker 2: overseas that we are now subject to international prices. And 588 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,320 Speaker 2: people say to me, but why are we exporting it? 589 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 2: Because the international investors are the ones who've got the 590 00:29:10,520 --> 00:29:12,800 Speaker 2: gas out of the ground. They're the ones who paid 591 00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 2: for it to come out of the ground. Santos, Absolutely, yes, 592 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 2: Santos Santos are drilling holes. Not on the basis of 593 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 2: Australian demand, the drilling holes on the basis of Japanese. 594 00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: We demand they do more for the local industry because. 595 00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,800 Speaker 2: Our market is so small. 596 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,520 Speaker 1: It's the consumers are losing out ultimately, I mean we 597 00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: are the suckers in this. 598 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:35,959 Speaker 2: We'll put it in another way. When you get your 599 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:40,240 Speaker 2: electricity bill, half of the cost. Half is getting the 600 00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 2: power to your house, not from the generator. It's a 601 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,320 Speaker 2: transmission and power lines. 602 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:46,080 Speaker 1: But these are the network costs that you can take 603 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: back from the AEER. 604 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:52,880 Speaker 2: Sure, but they were privatized and foreign investors have got 605 00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 2: two hundred year contracts on these things and they have 606 00:29:55,880 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 2: legal recourse. So if we start regulating, come on return. 607 00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:02,560 Speaker 2: They'll take us to court and they will win. 608 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,840 Speaker 1: Okay, all right, your mind is trying to drag you out. 609 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: You have to go to another engagement. Thank you so 610 00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: much for coming. You really appreciate the time. The Transport 611 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 1: and Energy Minister and Infrastructure Minister Tom Kots and Thomas