WEBVTT - The Rita Panahi Show | 5 May 0:00:02.840 --> 0:00:05.000 On scoring leads Ostrodia. 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:10.160 This is the Wider Panalty Show. Good evening and welcome 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.880 to the readA Panety show. Coming up tonight the election 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:17.480 post mortem and the crucial leadership decision facing the Liberal Party. 0:00:17.520 --> 0:00:21.439 The panel will join me shortly. The Greens decimated while 0:00:21.440 --> 0:00:24.800 the Tills have plenty of seats but zero power after 0:00:24.920 --> 0:00:29.080 Labour's dumping majority. Professor Employment joins me shortly to discuss 0:00:29.480 --> 0:00:32.440 what we can expect from a second term Albanese government. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:36.440 President Donald Trump's borders are threatens to arrest leaders of 0:00:36.520 --> 0:00:39.879 sanctuary cities. Army Horowitz will be here to cover the 0:00:39.960 --> 0:00:43.040 latest from the US, and later in the hour, Kinsey 0:00:43.120 --> 0:00:47.000 Schofield on why King Charles refuses to speak to Prince 0:00:47.040 --> 0:00:50.480 Harry and Left is losing It has plenty of fun 0:00:50.600 --> 0:00:55.720 and frivolity, as well as this anti milk lunacy from Berlin. 0:01:02.840 --> 0:01:03.440 Business. 0:01:03.680 --> 0:01:06.600 But first, joining me now for a post mortem of 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:09.679 the political blood bath we saw play out over the weekend. 0:01:09.760 --> 0:01:13.720 Our Sky and News contributors prim McSween and Tina McQueen. Ladies. 0:01:13.720 --> 0:01:16.600 We will get to the election results shortly, but let's 0:01:16.640 --> 0:01:19.679 start with the Liberals searching for a new leader. After 0:01:19.720 --> 0:01:22.920 Peter Dutton lost his own seat. That are reports the 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:27.319 coalition is exploring a potential unity ticket consisting of Shadow 0:01:27.360 --> 0:01:31.640 Treasurer Angus Taylor as leader and Shadow Immigration mister Dan 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:35.880 Tin as his deputy. Flinder's MP Zoe Mackenzie would be 0:01:35.920 --> 0:01:39.800 elevated to Manager of Opposition Business. Who is your pick 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.320 to rebuild the Liberal brand? 0:01:42.720 --> 0:01:46.959 I think whoever the small party room decide on now 0:01:47.360 --> 0:01:48.920 will not lead into. 0:01:48.680 --> 0:01:49.400 The next election. 0:01:49.920 --> 0:01:52.880 So I would say possibly Angus Taylor will probably have 0:01:52.960 --> 0:01:56.760 the numbers to be leader when they resume, but I 0:01:56.880 --> 0:02:00.600 really don't feel he will lead the team into the election. 0:02:01.280 --> 0:02:04.040 I mean, it's sad to say, but slim pickings for 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:08.120 us in the party. But there also may be some 0:02:08.200 --> 0:02:12.800 people to unexpected entries into the field last minute. I 0:02:12.800 --> 0:02:14.880 can't confirm that now, but I am hearing a couple 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:17.040 of other names that may throw the hat in the ring. 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.040 But it's such a dismal, dismal thing to do to 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:23.760 try and elect Lena when so many have been wiped out. 0:02:24.000 --> 0:02:29.639 It's heartbreaking. Well, it's going to be a long tough 0:02:29.800 --> 0:02:34.320 road through to the next election and be in a 0:02:34.320 --> 0:02:38.400 position to actually form a government. It seems like a 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:40.800 lot of the talent for the Liberal Party is in 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:44.640 the upper house, in the Senate and the lower house. 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:45.640 It is slim. 0:02:45.400 --> 0:02:50.160 Pickings absolutely, and you know, whoever really does go in now, 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:54.960 I believe is a seat warmer. Things are going to 0:02:55.080 --> 0:02:58.120 change in six years because frankly. 0:02:57.800 --> 0:02:59.560 I think that Albaneze is going to be in for 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:00.919 it le six years. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:06.520 But in this first term they're going to be irrelevant really, 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:09.800 so I don't think that Hangus Taylor is really up 0:03:09.800 --> 0:03:12.720 for the job in the longer term. To me, it's 0:03:12.840 --> 0:03:17.239 almost irrelevant who goes in there. I would you hear 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:19.960 of people like alexanderik If, but of course he's in 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:23.639 the wrong house. You look at Ted O'Brien, I think 0:03:23.680 --> 0:03:26.959 he's a really strong performer if given what he did 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:31.800 during the energy debate, and I would like to see 0:03:32.160 --> 0:03:38.760 Ted O'Brien Hasty Duo in the second term of Albanese's 0:03:38.760 --> 0:03:40.720 government and to take it up to him then. 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.760 Well, I said on Outsiders yesterday that Hasty for me 0:03:46.920 --> 0:03:50.080 is the clear choice. Now he actually has to put 0:03:50.080 --> 0:03:53.520 his hat into the ring to make that happen. But 0:03:53.720 --> 0:03:57.640 he's young, he is principled. There is just an X 0:03:57.720 --> 0:04:02.600 factor about him. He's got charisma, got an incredible history 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:06.080 before he entered politics. There's just so much going for him. 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:09.760 Being from Wa isn't seen as helpful, but I think 0:04:09.840 --> 0:04:12.480 in this day and age it shouldn't stop someone from 0:04:12.520 --> 0:04:16.440 being elevated to leader. We'll see what happens there. Now 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.479 let's turn our attention to what went wrong for the Liberals, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:22.599 and we've seen contrasting reports in the media today. We've 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:25.880 got Jeff Chambers and Greg Brown writing in The Australian 0:04:26.000 --> 0:04:28.680 that Peter Dutton and his team went into the campaign 0:04:28.760 --> 0:04:32.760 with a and I quote fatal over confidence that were 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:37.760 void by the coalition's resurgence following the Indigenous Voice referendum 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:41.560 and the labor mistakes and immigration and the number of 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:45.120 political scandals. But we've got James Campbell writing in The 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:49.800 Herald Son that Dutton's campaign deliberately shielded the leader from 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:54.000 key intel, including how dire the polls were in his 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.400 own seat of Dixon, because and I quote here, he 0:04:57.560 --> 0:05:03.000 was already a nervous wreck. Prewe we've been saying on 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:06.599 this program for weeks now. Remember the last discussion we 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:09.919 had the three of us was all about just what 0:05:10.040 --> 0:05:13.000 a terrible campaign this has been from the Liberals, how 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:17.480 lackluster it has been, how weak, How you know, there's 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:21.240 barely any policy differentiation that you can point to to 0:05:21.920 --> 0:05:25.800 encourage voters to throw out a first term government. And 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.120 I don't think anyone could be shocked by the result. 0:05:28.160 --> 0:05:30.000 But I've got to say I was shocked by Peter 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:34.360 Dutton losing his own seat. Well yes and no. 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:37.560 I mean there were pundits saying that or insider saying 0:05:37.600 --> 0:05:40.919 that he was very vulnerable. But Philip Koury in the 0:05:40.960 --> 0:05:43.800 AFR was saying, you know, there's going to be a 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.440 lot of soul searching for the Liberal Party, but it 0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.840 has no soul. And I think that's the problem that 0:05:50.080 --> 0:05:56.039 when you look at the whole executive, the operational procedures, 0:05:56.120 --> 0:06:01.480 the fact that really it needs a toe to rebrand, 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:05.960 a revisit to its operational side. The people on the 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.520 ground are non existent. There are no supporters that are 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.800 there or likely successes to help. 0:06:13.320 --> 0:06:14.840 I just think that they have. 0:06:14.920 --> 0:06:18.080 To go back to tours and look at what you 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:21.480 do in any campaign. When I do strategies for clients 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.640 and you have to look at your operational structure, you 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:28.520 then have to set your policies that you want to 0:06:28.600 --> 0:06:32.400 achieve and then you prosecute them. You think about who 0:06:32.440 --> 0:06:35.560 your targets are and prosecute them. And the Liberal Party 0:06:35.600 --> 0:06:37.440 hasn't done that. I don't know what they did for 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.920 three years. They sat on their hands and didn't come 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.679 up with any custard or thought through policy. 0:06:44.080 --> 0:06:47.000 I'll call out now and Andrew Hurst should have resigned 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.480 by now. The President John Olson should be gone, the 0:06:49.520 --> 0:06:51.000 rest of that executive be gone. 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:52.920 Paul Dutton was given. 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:58.160 Private polling which was absolute bers. 0:06:56.839 --> 0:06:58.960 So he was behind the eight ball along. 0:06:59.040 --> 0:07:02.240 I am libert and these guys should have gone yesterday, 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:04.919 not today. Should have gone yesterday. You've got an eighty 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.479 year old president that's been there for quite a while. 0:07:07.680 --> 0:07:09.800 Go move on, John and rehearse. 0:07:10.800 --> 0:07:13.240 You're weak, you're a coward. You should have gone too. 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:18.560 So that's how angry I am Rita Well, Tina, is 0:07:18.600 --> 0:07:23.520 that why the policy platform was so weak. I just 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:29.240 could not understand the strategy. They were almost operating from 0:07:29.800 --> 0:07:32.080 the view that they were well in front and they 0:07:32.080 --> 0:07:33.880 didn't want to have any big missteps, so they were 0:07:33.880 --> 0:07:37.200 going to do a small target strategy. When you've got 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:39.280 a first term government and if you want to get 0:07:39.360 --> 0:07:41.440 rid of a first term government, you better go hard, 0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:45.480 you better go negative. You better have very clear policy 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:50.160 differentiation on big issues, and we didn't have that. If I, 0:07:50.280 --> 0:07:54.560 as a conservative, have trouble understanding what the hell they're 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:57.960 up to and what they're proposing, how's the average person, 0:07:58.040 --> 0:08:01.160 who may be a political or not that politically engage, 0:08:01.600 --> 0:08:04.200 going to say I'm going to back this lot over 0:08:04.280 --> 0:08:06.680 a first term government. That's right. 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:09.840 Look, having said on federal executive for a number of years, 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.080 you know they have a lot to say in the policy, 0:08:12.320 --> 0:08:15.320 the advertising, everything, And I can tell you out of 0:08:15.360 --> 0:08:18.840 that entire federal executive there's probably two conservative and there 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:22.280 in lies the problem. You know, there are no conviction 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:26.040 executives on that committee. And that's where we went That's 0:08:26.080 --> 0:08:28.440 where we went wrong, and that's where Peter had no support. 0:08:28.600 --> 0:08:30.720 It would have been their advice to muzzle all the 0:08:30.760 --> 0:08:32.800 good performers and just make it about Peter, which was 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:34.599 absolutely stupid. 0:08:35.679 --> 0:08:35.959 Idea. 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:40.040 I'm a strong leader, weren't we We wanted somebody who 0:08:40.080 --> 0:08:44.640 would lead and prosecute a case against this disgraceful government. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.160 And to back your policies, to give the people a 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:53.280 clear choice, and not to be so worried about appeasing 0:08:53.320 --> 0:08:58.160 your opponents, appeasing the media, worried about media backlashes. I 0:08:58.200 --> 0:09:00.840 just can't believe they're still operating in that environment where 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:05.880 they're trying to minimize the media backlash rather than take 0:09:05.920 --> 0:09:10.600 a bold position and unapologetically prosecute the case like they 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.439 did with the Voice. Everyone attacked them for their Voice 0:09:13.480 --> 0:09:16.440 position when they eventually took one after ten months, but 0:09:17.120 --> 0:09:21.400 it worked because it gave the Australian people a clear choice. Now, 0:09:21.440 --> 0:09:24.840 as we know, there are many people who are using 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:29.040 the election result to push their own political barrows. The 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.760 Liberals are quite susceptible to accepting the worst advice post election, 0:09:34.400 --> 0:09:36.800 and I want to bring your attention a piece in 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:41.240 the Daily Telegraph that claimed that Peter Dutton's toxic immigration policies, 0:09:41.280 --> 0:09:45.240 which were very minor cuts to immigration, cost him dearly 0:09:45.400 --> 0:09:48.880 and the Liberals should shy away from proposing migration cuts 0:09:48.920 --> 0:09:51.520 in the future. I mean, this is just Bonker's stuff. 0:09:51.559 --> 0:09:54.760 Every pole we see shows that the majority want to 0:09:54.800 --> 0:09:59.000 see significant cuts to immigration, or at least cuts to 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:02.120 what we see the moment. And on election night I 0:10:02.200 --> 0:10:05.120 was watching the ABC so nobody else had to. It 0:10:05.160 --> 0:10:08.480 was taking one for the team. They were obsessed about 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:12.040 the final week of the election, campaigned a discussion around 0:10:12.120 --> 0:10:16.200 welcome to country and acknowledgment of country, and they were 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.080 acting like that was a huge factor in the election result, 0:10:19.160 --> 0:10:23.760 again ignoring the fact that all the polling shows those 0:10:23.800 --> 0:10:28.240 ceremonies are not popular with the Australian people. Tina, what 0:10:28.400 --> 0:10:32.240 is the danger of the higher ups within the Liberals, 0:10:32.360 --> 0:10:36.600 the authorities within the Liberals listening to this very poor 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:41.640 advice and veering further left and again becoming labor lighte. 0:10:41.760 --> 0:10:44.160 The Liberals don't win when they're labor lighte. We've seen 0:10:44.160 --> 0:10:47.439 that in Wa, we've seen that in Victoria, and yet 0:10:47.720 --> 0:10:51.840 this is what's been proposed federally. Oh, it's just crazy. 0:10:51.960 --> 0:10:55.640 You know, when Dunton and we were all on that 0:10:55.720 --> 0:10:58.440 Trump train, which I'm still on, if we had a 0:10:58.440 --> 0:11:01.520 stood firm by that, but that, as I said, the 0:11:01.559 --> 0:11:04.800 federal executive got spooked by the or we can't upset 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.720 the immigration, you know, we can't say anything bad about 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:11.880 working the country. All this is ridiculous. They were spooked, 0:11:12.080 --> 0:11:16.600 absolutely spooked. Instead of going harder and standing firm on 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:20.000 those bold policies that the people respect. They backed off 0:11:20.040 --> 0:11:23.679 them and that's where people lost respect for Dutton and 0:11:23.800 --> 0:11:26.960 became very confused as to what his policies were. It's 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.400 just a shame that he was hijacked by that executive 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:34.040 and the left of the party and to taming things down. 0:11:34.080 --> 0:11:36.400 It was ridiculous and that's why we've got the result. 0:11:36.520 --> 0:11:41.960 We have pro if there was a landslide loss. But 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.840 he at least took a policy platform to the election 0:11:46.080 --> 0:11:49.319 that was principled and strong and gave the Australian people 0:11:49.360 --> 0:11:53.479 a clear choice. You could copy that. But the weakness 0:11:53.600 --> 0:11:57.840 of the of the policy platform, the entire strategy being 0:11:57.920 --> 0:12:00.520 so flawed. I think that's what stings for a lot 0:12:00.559 --> 0:12:04.679 of Liberals is that you lost in a landslide and 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:06.360 he didn't really even turn up to the fight. 0:12:07.240 --> 0:12:07.760 That's right. 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:13.400 You know, they've betrayed Conservative voters because they abandoned the 0:12:13.440 --> 0:12:17.360 policies that would give us an excuse, a reason to 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:20.719 vote for them. They hadn't thought through the policies. They 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:23.840 got gutless. They got me too. 0:12:24.200 --> 0:12:25.520 I mean, you don't win an. 0:12:25.440 --> 0:12:29.720 Election by following what Dick was dictated by your opposition, 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:33.880 you know, because they didn't have well thought out, well 0:12:33.920 --> 0:12:37.600 structured policies. They'd forgotten who they were talking to, who 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.400 their base is. 0:12:39.200 --> 0:12:40.400 They abandoned all of that. 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:43.000 And you know, this is why we're all out in 0:12:43.000 --> 0:12:47.680 the wilderness because and dismayed, because we were let down 0:12:47.800 --> 0:12:53.120 badly by a supposedly conservative government that got spooped by 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:58.840 a bullying egomaniac who was the better retail politician. 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:00.920 And this is how gullible that the. 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.280 Voters are that they look. You know, we saw that 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.319 the job that was done to make Anthony Albanezi look 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:09.280 more palatable when he. 0:13:09.320 --> 0:13:11.559 Got his new teeth, new guys's new wardrobe. 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:14.720 And then you look at Peter Dutton, who the poor 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:20.199 bugger was voldemorted, you know, but the man was still 0:13:20.240 --> 0:13:23.640 deserved to be listened to, because if he'd been principled 0:13:23.920 --> 0:13:26.960 and allowed to save what he really believed, I think 0:13:27.000 --> 0:13:29.640 that passion would have come through prove it would have believed. 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.880 It was done by himself with no support team. 0:13:32.960 --> 0:13:35.520 So all Labor had to do was demonized the man, 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.920 which they did. Dutton had no soldiers, there were no 0:13:39.000 --> 0:13:42.439 Pratorian guards around him, which Labor admit that they had 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:46.400 great Batrurian guards. So yeah, look, there's so much to unpack. 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.040 But it's just a shame because Duttony is a very 0:13:49.160 --> 0:13:52.640 very decent, decent man. I can assure you an absolutely 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:56.040 decent man, and perhaps too decent for politics. 0:13:58.160 --> 0:14:01.480 And I think his own political insights things are sound. 0:14:01.679 --> 0:14:06.240 But he, like you said, has been led astray by 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:10.439 people within the party who set the policy agenda. And 0:14:11.000 --> 0:14:14.760 here we are, and you're right. Some of the strong performance, 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:17.880 Hasty Price, where were they? We barely saw any of 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:20.400 them and when they did speak it was like they 0:14:20.480 --> 0:14:24.240 were scared of hearing from them. Now, the election did 0:14:24.320 --> 0:14:28.120 see violent at versts, at polling booths. There was a 0:14:28.200 --> 0:14:30.240 number of incidents. I'm just going to play one here. 0:14:30.280 --> 0:14:35.920 It's a trumpet of patriots volunteer getting physically assaulted in 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:37.440 a booth in Pakenham. 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:44.600 H cut it out, you have cut it out. 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:48.040 Yeah, we were built on bunticulturalism. 0:14:48.360 --> 0:14:52.160 Yeah, these ads on who what Australia is about? What 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:55.600 you're doing to you? 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:58.200 And I will see you go ahead, because I've got 0:14:58.240 --> 0:14:59.119 all these witnesses. 0:14:59.240 --> 0:15:02.000 I've got you on of what you did? You struck first? 0:15:03.240 --> 0:15:07.240 Someone, Can we have some police here, please, Tina. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.200 The nerve there. First he launches into that attack and 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:14.480 then says, I'm going to sue you. But before that, 0:15:14.560 --> 0:15:17.200 we've got the lecture about how immigrants built the country 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.440 and how dare your ads vilify immigrants or whatever the 0:15:20.440 --> 0:15:25.080 accusation was. I mean, the the nerve there is astonishing. 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:28.520 Oh look, I hope the police will call and that 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.200 guy's been rightly charged. That's terrible to resort to physical 0:15:32.320 --> 0:15:35.560 to physical violence like that. But I've got to say 0:15:35.720 --> 0:15:38.440 a lot of the booths were hot and heavy around 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.120 around the country. And that's another thing. I mean, our 0:15:42.160 --> 0:15:46.280 Conservatives vote is split so many ways now with although 0:15:47.040 --> 0:15:50.080 Clive Palmon didn't have too much effect, sometimes one or 0:15:50.120 --> 0:15:52.200 two percent can really make the difference in a lot 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.680 of seats. So you know, maybe we should think of 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:59.320 not splintering these Conservatives groups and all joining together. I mean, 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:02.200 we have to do something otherwise, as Prue said, we're 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:04.040 going to be out of government for quite a while. 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:09.440 Well, the vote has splintered to the right. There's multiple 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:11.960 minor parties now that are on the right, and that 0:16:12.560 --> 0:16:17.720 independent vote minor party vote is huge now. So it 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:20.560 definitely there needs to be some sort of a realignment 0:16:20.600 --> 0:16:25.080 down the track if the coalition wants to be electable again. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:28.120 Before we go, let's just have a look at a 0:16:28.160 --> 0:16:30.440 silver lining in this election. And I'll be talking to 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:32.760 Professor and Plymer about this a little bit later. But 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:38.840 the Greens they suffered massive electoral losses and thankfully Labor 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.800 is not going to be in a coalition with this lot. 0:16:41.160 --> 0:16:56.920 God, I'm so angry I could eat a. 0:16:50.560 --> 0:16:52.680 Authorized by Jake Still Australian Green's camera. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:58.960 Yes, so hungry, he could eat a billionaire. Proof that is. 0:16:59.080 --> 0:17:01.760 I've got to say sorry. 0:17:02.360 --> 0:17:03.920 I was just going to say we can thank Advance 0:17:03.960 --> 0:17:07.800 Australia who ran a tremendous campaign against the Greens that 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:09.240 clearly has paid off. 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.880 Absolutely. I think they've been very effective. Particularly their social 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.240 media work is far more effective than what we saw 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.439 from Liberal HQ ladies. Thank you so much for your 0:17:20.440 --> 0:17:24.440 time tonight. Joining me now is a Steam geologist and author, 0:17:24.480 --> 0:17:28.960 Professor Ian Plymer, a professor. Some of Australia's largest companies, 0:17:28.960 --> 0:17:32.080 including Rio Tinto and West Farmers, are calling on Labor 0:17:32.119 --> 0:17:35.840 to use its massive election win to boost productivity as 0:17:35.880 --> 0:17:40.879 Australia battles its worst productivity slump on record, falling another 0:17:40.920 --> 0:17:43.480 one point two percent in the last year, and Donald 0:17:43.520 --> 0:17:48.280 Trump's tariffs and a sinking Chinese economy creating further concern 0:17:48.640 --> 0:17:53.000 in do you expect to see productivity gains during Albanese's 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:53.679 second term. 0:17:54.160 --> 0:17:57.320 I think it's going to be hard because the Australian 0:17:57.359 --> 0:18:00.439 Labor Party, is the political wing of the Union, already 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:03.200 got their hand up saying well, we want to screw 0:18:03.280 --> 0:18:06.760 employers even more and that's going to mean greater costs 0:18:06.840 --> 0:18:11.919 and decreasing productivity. And basically, the productivity is what's going 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.200 to pay back the debt that this country's got. And 0:18:14.280 --> 0:18:18.679 unless you've got great productivity a lot of people working, 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:22.120 we cannot afford the welfare and we cannot afford the debt. 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:25.960 And this election was basically about those who are producing 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:27.680 and those who want to continue on welfare. 0:18:28.080 --> 0:18:33.360 Well, we had very little policy differentiation from the Liberals, 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:36.160 so many of their policies were announced late. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:38.560 Well, you've been saying that for ages, We've been. 0:18:38.480 --> 0:18:41.440 Saying it week in, week out all year, but particularly 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:44.960 since the election was called. It's been enormously frustrating because 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:48.439 it's obvious that they were making massive missteps. If they 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:52.320 were actually interested in winning the election. But it's also 0:18:52.320 --> 0:18:57.280 disappointing that Australian corporates, big end of town who are 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:02.520 impacted by productivity losses really didn't get involved in the 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:06.320 election campaign. They're very quick to get involved in social issues, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.879 whether it's same sex marriage, the voice. They're very quick 0:19:09.960 --> 0:19:12.280 to get political when it comes to things that actually 0:19:12.280 --> 0:19:15.000 don't impact on the running of their business. But when 0:19:15.000 --> 0:19:17.400 it's something like this that is crucial to the running 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.440 of their business, they haven't really said anything until now. 0:19:20.680 --> 0:19:23.640 Well, that's exactly right. They like their field good policies. 0:19:23.640 --> 0:19:28.040 Now Freeotinta supports the voice, Shay, what that doesn't change 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:30.560 the price of iron or that doesn't increase the number 0:19:30.560 --> 0:19:33.040 of tons of iron or getting exported from the country. 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.359 But if they really focus on the important things, and 0:19:36.400 --> 0:19:39.480 that's the productivity, then that does enter the bottom line. 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:44.120 So I'm really quite disappointed that Australia has changed from 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:48.720 a country that was built by labor workers in overalls 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:52.639 and now it's being destroyed by labor people in suits. 0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:57.440 And the companies used to actually have quite a voice 0:19:57.800 --> 0:19:59.920 in the way in which this country produced, the way 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:02.919 which is country stayed solvent, but now we have a 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:06.160 Union government and I can't see that happening, and the. 0:20:06.200 --> 0:20:09.600 Unions are going to be very emboldened now. I mean 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.040 we've got a thumping Labor majority. The last time around 0:20:13.080 --> 0:20:17.000 it was a very small majority and we saw how 0:20:17.040 --> 0:20:19.680 they behaved. So now it's going to be I think, 0:20:19.720 --> 0:20:22.600 a free for all now. It was also a terrible 0:20:22.720 --> 0:20:25.439 nights for the Greens as well as the Liberals. The 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:29.040 Greens were decimated, falling well short of the nine seat 0:20:29.119 --> 0:20:31.640 goal that at a Band had set his sights on, 0:20:32.280 --> 0:20:35.800 and Band himself is perilously close to losing his own 0:20:35.880 --> 0:20:40.280 seat to Labor's Sarah Whitty in We've got to say 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.200 the worst case scenario in this election has been avoided. 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:47.680 The worst case was always having a Labor minority government, 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.840 having to rely on the Greens in a coalition, having 0:20:50.840 --> 0:20:54.240 the Greens holding the balance of power. Now we've got 0:20:55.320 --> 0:21:00.760 the Greens really destroyed. Particularly if Banned ends up losing 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.520 his own seat, well. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.120 Yes, and that would be sweet justice. And he has 0:21:05.160 --> 0:21:08.840 been targeted by some groups like Advance, who very very 0:21:08.880 --> 0:21:16.040 successfully targeted the hypocrisy and the anti everything of the Greens. 0:21:16.080 --> 0:21:18.239 The Greens wanted to bring us back into caves, and 0:21:18.280 --> 0:21:20.000 here we've got people who are living off the fat 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:22.800 of the land and as Greens politicians, and so I 0:21:22.840 --> 0:21:25.760 think Advance deserve a lot of credit for attacking the 0:21:25.760 --> 0:21:29.800 Greens as they did. It is a lineball with Adam Bant. 0:21:30.080 --> 0:21:33.160 I think the preferences were very important, but the postal 0:21:33.400 --> 0:21:38.879 and pre poll votes clearly are favoring the Labor Party 0:21:39.000 --> 0:21:41.280 rather than the Greens, and I think that would be 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:43.520 a good thing because once the Greens were a party 0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:47.520 that were hugging trees. Now they're quite happy to bulldoze trees, 0:21:48.000 --> 0:21:51.479 to put up machinery made by slave labor in China, 0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:54.840 to give us intermittent power that's sending this country break. 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:55.920 So it's mad. 0:21:56.080 --> 0:21:57.399 Maybe there's a god in heaven. 0:21:57.600 --> 0:21:59.400 Maybe maybe. 0:22:00.640 --> 0:22:00.840 Yeah. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:05.560 The Greens policies and Advance, I think really should provide 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:08.720 a framework for the Liberal Party on how you tackle 0:22:09.160 --> 0:22:12.560 modern politics because you look at what Advance we're doing 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.200 on social media compared to what the Liberals were doing. 0:22:16.080 --> 0:22:18.720 And again I would have thought they would have learnt 0:22:18.720 --> 0:22:22.359 from the Voice campaign, where Advance was so effective with 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:26.040 their campaign material. Now the Greens had a terrible night, 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:29.960 but in contrast, the Tills did pretty well, retaining all 0:22:30.000 --> 0:22:34.119 their seats, although Zoe Daniel Seed of Goldstein is on 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:37.600 a razor thin margin less than one hundred votes last 0:22:37.600 --> 0:22:39.880 time I checked, so there might be a recount there. 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.120 We don't know there, but she has claimed victory for now. 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:46.880 But with all that said that they've retained those seats, 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:50.800 but what little political clout they once had in the 0:22:50.880 --> 0:22:54.560 Lake of Labour's thumping majority is gone. Labor Senator Don 0:22:54.600 --> 0:22:59.000 Farrell said that the Tills can't blackmail us. Well, they 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:02.359 can't in parliament, but they're superfluous. They're just going to 0:23:02.359 --> 0:23:06.280 be sitting around watching Labor past legislation. 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.359 Well, that's quite right, and the Teals have no policies. 0:23:10.080 --> 0:23:12.800 They voted with the Greens for more than seventy percent 0:23:12.920 --> 0:23:16.280 of everything that went up into Parliament and basically they 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:21.080 were an anti Liberal party group. And I'm very pleased 0:23:21.080 --> 0:23:23.240 that in the seat of Goldstein you'll vote for the 0:23:23.320 --> 0:23:26.440 Teals might have actually had some impact on having Soarry 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:33.320 Daniel re elected. But really they're totally useless as a group. 0:23:33.640 --> 0:23:35.960 They are a party, but they're totally useless. 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.000