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Speaker 2: So you went to the beautiful euphoric place with the

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Speaker 1: One hundred And my mother for a long time had

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Speaker 1: But I was still using. I was a drug addict,

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Speaker 2: And what about your siblings? Were you one after another?

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Speaker 1: I can't really say that we sort of. Well, we

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Speaker 1: Yeah. About two years ago my brother, my oldest brother,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, man, like, are you the baby?

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Speaker 1: Just you know, when I do interviews or podcasts and

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Speaker 1: but mate, that's life when you're in this world. You know, Maye,

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Speaker 1: I shouldn't be here of ID that many times, but

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Speaker 2: It is mate. Many a person would have just surrendered

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Speaker 2: It's a lot to go through, especially for a woman,

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Speaker 1: I was allowed to go to my mother's funeral. You

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Speaker 1: But this is the point I want to make. You know,

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Speaker 1: Just shit like that, Brent. You know, there's just so

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Speaker 2: A choice, A choice, yeah, and yes it is a

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Speaker 2: well here was a criminal. She wasn't she chose to that?

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Speaker 1: Oh, ond perred percent.

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Speaker 2: So you're in jail twenty one Mum's past. You got

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Speaker 2: five years. Correct me if I'm wrong.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you got five years. When I got out, I

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Speaker 2: Can I ask what that charge was for you? And

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Speaker 1: I know it's no, no, no, that was heroin charges

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Speaker 2: So you got five years at twenty one years of

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Speaker 1: I was twenty when I went to jail.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and five on the top or five on the bottom.

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Speaker 1: Five on the bottom. I had to serve five before parole.

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Speaker 1: I got like eighteen and a half years, so five

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Speaker 1: Did you plead not guilty? I had to plead guilty.

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Speaker 1: There was a copper hiding in the cupboard with the recorder.

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Speaker 2: No.

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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, So two people I knew, like this is

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Speaker 2: Please if you will, would you share it?

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Speaker 1: Now, I don't know if people believe this or not.

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Speaker 2: You would have been a good friend to have back

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Speaker 1: Wow, but that's not who I am, you know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So they rang me when they got back. They said, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: So that was my first stint in jail, doing a

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