Speaker 1: From the Skyinging Center. This is Paul Murray Live today, Wednesday,
Speaker 1: December three. Who knew that this was a day that
Speaker 1: had so much history connected to it? In fact has this?
Speaker 1: In fifteen eighty six, some bloke introduced potatoes to England
Speaker 1: from Columbia on this day. In eighteen fifty four, the
Speaker 1: soldiers opened fire on the workers of the Eureka Stockade,
Speaker 1: killing twenty two miners. On this day. In nineteen sixty eight,
Speaker 1: the King Elvis Presley delivered the most sensational performance of
Speaker 1: his career, great doco about It by the Way here
Speaker 1: on Foxtel or on Binge go searching for It Elvis
Speaker 1: in the sixty eight Comeback special aired on NBC on
Speaker 1: this day, but above all, on this day three years ago,
Speaker 1: to titans of West easton politics, two men who could
Speaker 1: see so far into the future that they not only
Speaker 1: knew the path towards eighty three percent renewable energy in
Speaker 1: this country, but they had a promise that came with it,
Speaker 1: a promise of cheaper power bills. These men were the
Speaker 1: then nopposition leader Anthony Alberizi and his brave and bold
Speaker 1: energy and climate change spokesperson Chris Bowen. These two men
Speaker 1: knew that just a couple of years earlier, Bill Shorten
Speaker 1: had been roundly defeated at an election in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 1: basically promising the same stuff, but not wrapping the package
Speaker 1: with the two hundred and seventy five dollar promise. This
Speaker 1: was a great moment in Australian politics, forever remembered by
Speaker 1: the Internet.
Speaker 2: Today announced Labour's plan to create jobs, cut power bills,
Speaker 2: burst renewables and reduce emissions. It will see electricity prices
Speaker 2: fall from the current level by two hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five dollars for households by twenty twenty five at the
Speaker 2: end of our first term. If we're successful, get out
Speaker 2: of the way, Elvis.
Speaker 1: There's a new rock star in town. And this man
Speaker 1: was on a path to the Prime ministership, knowing that
Speaker 1: if he just put the right amount of lipstick on
Speaker 1: the pig and promise jobs that never turned up or
Speaker 1: are cut to power bills that was never achievable, it
Speaker 1: wouldn't matter because the media that cover him so lost
Speaker 1: in the luster of his star and his celebrity. Knowing
Speaker 1: that the third of December is a day that changes
Speaker 1: the world forever from potatoes to black leather or the
Speaker 1: Eureka stockade. This is a day that matters and the media,
Speaker 1: oh why they ate it up?
Speaker 3: Also promising Australian households will save two hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: five dollars a year on their power bills by twenty
Speaker 3: twenty five.
Speaker 4: Promising to cut electricity bills by two hundred and seventy
Speaker 4: five dollars a year by twenty twenty five and three
Speaker 4: hundred and seventy eight by twenty thirty. Intent on not
Speaker 4: repeating the mistakes of the last election campaign. This one
Speaker 4: full of details. Time to kick some policy goals.
Speaker 2: We're now in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1: We wins it our back, hoping to leave Scott Morrison.
Speaker 5: Copy Elix, please turn the cut ahead, calling for help.
Speaker 1: Oh ah, I mean just get a heartbreak hotel. This
Speaker 1: was the song that Australia wanted to sing, which was
Speaker 1: the Somewhere over the Rainbow. Not quite a link to
Speaker 1: this day, but anyway that somewhere over the rainbow there
Speaker 1: was cheaper electricis, there was cleaner electricity, there was a
Speaker 1: new future that meant we could change the weather. Because
Speaker 1: Australia is one percent of global emissions and if we
Speaker 1: cut forty three percent of one percent, then suddenly there'll
Speaker 1: never be another bushfire. The promise will be as Baraco
Speaker 1: Bama himself had said that the rising seas would be
Speaker 1: turned away. That's why I remember this day forever, because
Speaker 1: this division and the promise was so clear that they
Speaker 1: were so proud of it, no embarrassment, such confidence it
Speaker 1: would be achieved. That they said it over and over
Speaker 1: and over and over.
Speaker 2: And over and over, inducing power prices by two hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy five dollars.
Speaker 6: By twenty twenty five, two hundred and seventy five dollars
Speaker 6: a year.
Speaker 2: Two hundred and seventy five dollars a year, will.
Speaker 6: Get power prices down by two hundred and seventy five
Speaker 6: dollars a.
Speaker 1: Year, and over and over again. And they connected with us, they.
Speaker 7: Met us where we are, as they charted a course
Speaker 7: to the future. Finally the climate was would be over. Yeah,
Speaker 7: that was all garbage. You knew it, and I knew
Speaker 7: it at the time.
Speaker 1: The problem with the transition to renewable energy is that
Speaker 1: it had to be built. None of it's free. Either
Speaker 1: the government was going to pay for it or the
Speaker 1: power companies were going to pay for it, and that
Speaker 1: means you, the customer, was going to pay for it. Literally,
Speaker 1: the CSIRO back then was suggesting it a cost one
Speaker 1: trillion dollars. On now it's half a trillion dollars. Green
Speaker 1: groups say that to not just build all of the
Speaker 1: wind farms and the solar farms, whatever, environment birds, koalas whatever. Man,
Speaker 1: this is rock and roll. But all of this could
Speaker 1: all be achieved, we'd all be fine. Of course, the
Speaker 1: result has been prices that have never come down. They
Speaker 1: never come down naturally, the cost of producing it costing
Speaker 1: way more the cost of building it, because of course
Speaker 1: billions of dollars. And the reality was that before we
Speaker 1: gave up on the battist winning car, we were being
Speaker 1: forced to jump into one that only had three wheels.
Speaker 1: But the promise was that we'd be able to cut
Speaker 1: the lap record and save money while we're doing it.
Speaker 1: Of Course, as I say, the reality is that everything
Speaker 1: has gone up since this government came to power. All
Speaker 1: of its promises to make life better were lies. They
Speaker 1: will say that international events got in the way, but
Speaker 1: as we all know, this was a mob who wanted
Speaker 1: to spend even more in COVID didn't they want to
Speaker 1: buy Virgin airlines? Were these the people who voted to
Speaker 1: tape off Job Keeper, but then wings that it should
Speaker 1: be higher and go for longer, Meaning the total amount
Speaker 1: of money the government would keep shoving into the economy
Speaker 1: would only affect inflation even higher and for even longer.
Speaker 1: Australians for all the obvious reasons, wanted to change a
Speaker 1: government last time. The problem is is that it was
Speaker 1: a way of endorsing the lies at the heart of
Speaker 1: their campaign, lies that now are going to bite them
Speaker 1: on the backside because power bills people are struggling to
Speaker 1: pay them. In fact, some analysis that is worth having
Speaker 1: a look at. Here you'll see three columns. The far
Speaker 1: left column is the promise of what your power bill
Speaker 1: would be, the black column is what your power bill
Speaker 1: was at the time they made the promise, and the
Speaker 1: red is what you're actually paying now. Surprise, surprise, the
Speaker 1: down has never come. And what is currently there on
Speaker 1: the doorstep of twenty twenty five is markedly higher than
Speaker 1: what you were playing in twenty twenty two. And I
Speaker 1: remember sitting here on the show looking down the same camera,
Speaker 1: same microphone, hopefully the same viewer who is and I said, look,
Speaker 1: gege your power bill from twenty twenty two when they
Speaker 1: made this promise, sorry, twenty twenty one when they made
Speaker 1: this promise, stick it on your fridge. If the bill
Speaker 1: come the next election is lower than that, then you
Speaker 1: know what, vote for them. But it isn't. Scott Newes
Speaker 1: dot com dot are you great place to have a
Speaker 1: look at today has pulled together to mark this incredible
Speaker 1: anniversary December the third historic day from the Eureka Stockade
Speaker 1: to the bloke who brought the potatoes to England. Two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand houses in Australia are currently struggling to pay
Speaker 1: their bills and currently in some sort of an arrangement
Speaker 1: with power companies to pay a little bit less. Over
Speaker 1: a longer period of time, people who run small businesses
Speaker 1: have seen their bills gone up by thousands of dollars,
Speaker 1: and as we have this week that despite the fact
Speaker 1: that Australia has a future made in Australia and manufacturing
Speaker 1: was going to come back to this country, the reality
Speaker 1: was that higher power prices adds the cost of everything else, which,
Speaker 1: of course at an inflationary time not good. So to
Speaker 1: the day three years on, this incredible day of history.
Speaker 1: Does the government stand by what it said over and
Speaker 1: over again? Do they stand by the promise that they
Speaker 1: made to you in exchange for your vote in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty two, Well, of course not, because they were never
Speaker 1: going to deliver it. Instead, their assumption was and still is,
Speaker 1: that Australia never kicks out a first term government, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't really matter. Okay, we'll lose a couple of seats,
Speaker 1: but we've got the Greens, probably some of the Victorian Teals,
Speaker 1: maybe all the Teals. Yeah, you know, you know a
Speaker 1: few people on the Crossit will be fine. We could
Speaker 1: lose like ten seats and those guys will prop us up.
Speaker 1: So will always be power. There will be no consequence
Speaker 1: to telling people outright lives. This is a kin to
Speaker 1: when Tony Abit turned around said we're going to stop
Speaker 1: the boats and three years later not stopping them. In
Speaker 1: fact more boats coming in. We would all have a
Speaker 1: very different reaction about that policy if that was the
Speaker 1: reality of it, but of course it wasn't. They stopped them.
Speaker 1: But because these guys think they had super magical powers,
Speaker 1: and particularly the Treasurer of Australia, who has an entire doctorate,
Speaker 1: not particularly in economics, but about how poor Heating sold
Speaker 1: his economic policies. So again, just like the bloke in
Speaker 1: Queensland who wasn't a medical doctor, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: the premier kept calling the health minister who became the
Speaker 1: premier doctor males, doctor males, doctor males, doctor miles. His
Speaker 1: doctorate was about unions. Doctor Jim Chalmers is a bloke
Speaker 1: who essentially has a bit of a doctorate in pr
Speaker 1: and spin well on Budget Night just this year, when
Speaker 1: he was confronted with the reality of OK, look you've
Speaker 1: got about a year ago, pretty obvious you're not going
Speaker 1: to get this promise, but he says, don't worry. It's
Speaker 1: a promise that never really mattered, despite the fact that
Speaker 1: they said it how many times.
Speaker 6: The number you're referring to is a forecast in twenty
Speaker 6: one about an outcome in twenty five. We're providing energy
Speaker 6: bill relief in the here and now. We did in
Speaker 6: the last budget, we are again in the next budget.
Speaker 6: But there'll be more relief for more people in this budget.
Speaker 1: Oh, the modeling was different. So you didn't say it.
Speaker 1: You didn't say it. You didn't say it. You didn't
Speaker 1: say it, you didn't say you didn't say, you didn't say,
Speaker 1: you didn't say it. It's all gone. This is not
Speaker 1: the power bill reduction you are looking for. Please, that's
Speaker 1: how dumb they think the Australian electorate is. Well, that's
Speaker 1: how confident they are that most people who cover them,
Speaker 1: much of the access media, who knows that if you
Speaker 1: cause trouble for this government, they'll just freezy out. And
Speaker 1: because they hope to be the government for them that
Speaker 1: remember the Sydney Boarding Herald writing the pieces like in
Speaker 1: the first three months that they were already planning a
Speaker 1: second term because of how amazing their polls were. Well,
Speaker 1: here we are after promising to make everything better and
Speaker 1: everything got worse, after twelve interest rate rises and an
Speaker 1: absolute failure to cut your power bill. Now, yes, they
Speaker 1: came up with a way of giving every household from
Speaker 1: mansions to a one bedroom unit in Charters towers twenty
Speaker 1: five dollars a month off your power bill. The reality
Speaker 1: is that because it keeps going up, it's all sort
Speaker 1: of been eaten up. The opinion polls have only gone
Speaker 1: one way for this government. Now, sure there will be
Speaker 1: at the occasional one where they might sort of flum
Speaker 1: a fifty one to a forty nine. But Mini certainly
Speaker 1: in the two party preferred have melted away, haven't they
Speaker 1: to see here? Don't worry where fine, the teals will
Speaker 1: save us. We're one hundred percent guaranteed to be the
Speaker 1: government for the next three year because you know, no
Speaker 1: one wants to no one who had done so unelectable
Speaker 1: right well, Thankfully, when there are opinion polls and opinion
Speaker 1: polls that are going in a particular trend, there are
Speaker 1: mates in the media that will step in to help you.
Speaker 1: The Turnbull Times would be an example of this. And
Speaker 1: when they're not begging you for money, we're in a
Speaker 1: scenario where they're running stories like that instead. Today they
Speaker 1: released a pole which magically shows that twenty seven percent
Speaker 1: of people who last month said we were headed in
Speaker 1: the right direction has now become thirty eight percent of
Speaker 1: people Apparently something magically changed by eleven points in the
Speaker 1: past month for people aged thirty five to fifty four,
Speaker 1: which means the overall number of people right track, wrong
Speaker 1: time is now starting to head back towards even rather
Speaker 1: than where we all know it is, which is the
Speaker 1: joint is headed in the wrong direction. But nothing to
Speaker 1: see here, we know what we're doing. We're better than you.
Speaker 1: Where the Elvis where the rock stars of Australian politics.
Speaker 1: We're as brave as the fighters of the Eureka Stockade,
Speaker 1: and we are as revolutionary as the bloke who brought
Speaker 1: a potato to England. One other thing that you have
Speaker 1: heard a little bit about today, but you knew I
Speaker 1: was going to have a say on this is more
Speaker 1: proof about how much money this government spends. This government
Speaker 1: is spending more than any government at any time because
Speaker 1: it's getting more tax than any government at any time.
Speaker 1: As Chris Richardson explained a few minutes before our show
Speaker 1: started with Charry, basically because of things like the iron
Speaker 1: ore and coal price, they've been able to enjoy a
Speaker 1: return that says, oh, we've balin. It's the budget, despite
Speaker 1: the fact there's a plan for a budget deficit for
Speaker 1: the next forty years. But they love spending other people's money.
Speaker 1: And then they turn around and say that under this
Speaker 1: government we have created one million jobs. Okay, you've created
Speaker 1: a lot of jobs in the public sector, but you
Speaker 1: don't create the jobs in the private sector. It's the
Speaker 1: people who take the risk to go and employ another
Speaker 1: human being they pay for it. Of course, all these
Speaker 1: people who've never been in the public sector, sorry, in
Speaker 1: the private sector. Oh no that sorry, Prime Minister was
Speaker 1: a bank teller for a few months in nineteen eighty one.
Speaker 1: So you know why no of us, why no of us?
Speaker 1: Government spending is now one hundred and ninety five b
Speaker 1: for billion dollars. What have we got the show for it?
Speaker 1: We have a household recession that is a world of pain.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that in the moment. But we also
Speaker 1: have the best part of a trunion dollars in debt.
Speaker 1: Oh but haven't they saved money? Paul no, Chalmers has
Speaker 1: spent sixty billion dollars more than he has saved. He
Speaker 1: has damaged the budget. Now while the government gets to say,
Speaker 1: where great because we have a budget surplus and we're
Speaker 1: great because the economy is growing by zero point one
Speaker 1: percent or zero point two percent the average Australian the
Speaker 1: per capita numbers show that Australians have been going backwards,
Speaker 1: and not for a couple of months. This has been
Speaker 1: now happening for six consecutive quarters, literally over and over
Speaker 1: and over again, for the best part of a year
Speaker 1: in a bit. We have been in a recession in
Speaker 1: the real world in Australia. While the government turns around
Speaker 1: and says he's fine, I mean he's completely great. Don't worry,
Speaker 1: the teals will prop us up. We brought potatoes, we
Speaker 1: know the heartbreak hotel. Well, what is really fascinating here
Speaker 1: is once you actually start to look into all of this,
Speaker 1: the reality is that while the government wants to tell
Speaker 1: you there is no recession, the reality is that they're
Speaker 1: when it comes to the economy. There are charts in
Speaker 1: a second that I'll explain all of this to you.
Speaker 1: But you see, this government is going to jurs frankly
Speaker 1: gaslight you a little bit like that person in your
Speaker 1: life who tells you that when they borrow your car,
Speaker 1: they use all of the fuel and you know you
Speaker 1: filled it up before you gave it to them. When
Speaker 1: they handed back to you with the fuel light on,
Speaker 1: they go, no, this why I found it. They think
Speaker 1: you're so stupid that you will just forget that you
Speaker 1: put the field in the car the day before. You
Speaker 1: will completely forget your own circumstances of the past three years.
Speaker 1: You will not dare devote the amount of government because
Speaker 1: Australians that don't do that, we'd have to look way
Speaker 1: back into history and where we're about tomorrow and the
Speaker 1: Ulebric Road and two seventy ha, which means you get
Speaker 1: garbage like Chris Bowen again, that historic figure who went
Speaker 1: into the Parliament last week and actually had the balls
Speaker 1: to say this.
Speaker 8: The inflation figure is released by the ABS this week
Speaker 8: showed a thirty five percent reduction and energy prices the
Speaker 8: biggest fall and energy prices ever recorded in Australian history.
Speaker 1: Because the government's spending billions of dollars to pay the
Speaker 1: power companies not to pass the increased charges on, it's
Speaker 1: completely artificial and because of that artificial attempt to make
Speaker 1: power prices look like they have gone down, the overall
Speaker 1: inflation number looks like it has gone down. However, a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of stuff is way higher than the government
Speaker 1: ever wants to look at. So they look at the averages,
Speaker 1: the headlines. They assume that you're too silly, too busy,
Speaker 1: too easily distracted by oh, look a puppy, that you
Speaker 1: don't pay attention to your own life circumstances, that despite
Speaker 1: the fact that you're struggling or certainly you know people
Speaker 1: that are struggling and they have for now three Christmases
Speaker 1: in a row. Minion, people are this close to homelessness. No, no,
Speaker 1: everything's fine, It's all rosy. Now tomorrow they'll tell us
Speaker 1: another BS picture about how Australia's economy is growing by
Speaker 1: four fifths of bugger all. But the reality is the
Speaker 1: per capita recession will be continuing. And for the people
Speaker 1: who live outside of the Canberra bubble who decide to
Speaker 1: borrow money, mortgage their house to start their own business,
Speaker 1: many of them are just hitting the wall. Insolvencies, particularly
Speaker 1: in around things like cafes, restaurants, these sorts of things
Speaker 1: in Queensland some of the biggest numbers that we have
Speaker 1: ever seen. In fact, they are record level. Meantime, in Victoria,
Speaker 1: the Business Council of Australia says Victoria is the worst
Speaker 1: place in the nation for a business. Why tax and
Speaker 1: red tape on. But it's okay. The lady who was
Speaker 1: found guilty of killing somebody can have IVF while she's
Speaker 1: in jail, because that's what you truly focused on, right
Speaker 1: And you've got a preview before we have a prime
Speaker 1: minister again, because we're leading up to an election, pretending
Speaker 1: everything's fine, everything is awesome, look the other way. Well again,
Speaker 1: I mean debted to the Financial Review, because they show
Speaker 1: it nice and clear that Australians, when it comes to
Speaker 1: your real wages right back down. In fact, to hit
Speaker 1: this level, you've got to go back to about twenty ten,
Speaker 1: twenty eleven. So a dollar today is worth the spending
Speaker 1: power of about what twelve thirteen, fourteen years ago. Nothing
Speaker 1: to see here, however, the annual income tax that the
Speaker 1: average Australian has paid, Oh jeez, that's gone up a
Speaker 1: lot since this government came to power. Oh please, that's
Speaker 1: not possible. Didn't they give everyone a too little, too
Speaker 1: late tax cut I'll bracket creep okay. And then the
Speaker 1: overall share of the average person's income tax and then
Speaker 1: homeland repayments has also gone how many twelve twelve interest
Speaker 1: rate rises? Oh yeah, and another little bit of data
Speaker 1: that came from that far right wing think tank down
Speaker 1: the bottom of the garden, just beside the incinerator that
Speaker 1: you never got rid of, and you'd secretly like to
Speaker 1: fire up again because you know we're all caveing in
Speaker 1: at heart. Australia has yet another trade deficit This is
Speaker 1: when we are importing more than we are exporting. This
Speaker 1: is now continued according to the Australian Bureau Statistics for
Speaker 1: six times in a row. Six in a row. Now
Speaker 1: that means we bring in more than we send out.
Speaker 1: And because we bring things into the country and we
Speaker 1: have to pay for them with an Australian dollar that
Speaker 1: is weaker than it's been since. Oh, that's right, this
Speaker 1: government came to power. As you can see there, that's
Speaker 1: basically the dollar in the top left hand corner, close
Speaker 1: to seventy five US sense. That's where the government took
Speaker 1: over and right now sixty four cent. It's good luck.
Speaker 1: If you're going overseas, you'll have a good time. It's
Speaker 1: just very expensive. But that's okay. The Prime Minister's got
Speaker 1: your back. All right. Let's move away from government because
Speaker 1: we talk about it enough. So what do banks and
Speaker 1: most people in Australian politics have in common. I'll get
Speaker 1: to that in a second. The first example is the
Speaker 1: Comonwealth Bank of Australia. Now, you may well have got
Speaker 1: a dollar mide account when you were a little kid,
Speaker 1: and that dolomide account turned into a savings account because
Speaker 1: you've been with them for ten years or twenties or
Speaker 1: forty years or sixty years, because I had the little
Speaker 1: ten you know, the little tin money box. And if
Speaker 1: they with a government back bank, you've never left them.
Speaker 1: And they make an awful lot of profit. And they
Speaker 1: have to like all the other banks. Why because they're
Speaker 1: listened on the stock exchange and one of their biggest
Speaker 1: investors of the super anuation funds. And the Labor Party says,
Speaker 1: we have to give a portion of our wage by
Speaker 1: law to the superannuation funds who either support the Labor
Speaker 1: Party or they turn around and invest in things like banks,
Speaker 1: which means, of course you have to have a bigger
Speaker 1: profit than the last few, otherwise the whole system falls over.
Speaker 1: So how do you do that? Well, the Commonwealth Bank
Speaker 1: is introducing a brand new fee and put simply it
Speaker 1: as a fee for you wanting to withdraw money, your
Speaker 1: money from their branch. Now it's free if you want
Speaker 1: to do it as a transfer on the internet. It's
Speaker 1: free if you want to use one of their ATMs.
Speaker 1: But no, no, The Commonwealth Bank announced on Tuesday that
Speaker 1: millions of customers faced a forced transition over it's a
Speaker 1: smart access account, which would be hit with a three
Speaker 1: dollar assisted with drawal fee. Every time you want to
Speaker 1: take out cash at a branch your money your bank,
Speaker 1: they you with a fee, or if you do it
Speaker 1: at a post office, or if you do it over
Speaker 1: the phone. The Commonwealth Bank issued a notice to large
Speaker 1: numbers of its seventeen million account holders saying this thing
Speaker 1: was changing. Oh yeah, and that also going to put
Speaker 1: in a four dollar monthly account fee. While also, of
Speaker 1: course all of the banks is nothing about the Commonwealth Bank.
Speaker 1: Now all of the banks, of course make a record
Speaker 1: amounts of money off the tap and go thing because
Speaker 1: cash isn't you know, a country of cash any more? Everyone,
Speaker 1: I might get the woo flu four years later because
Speaker 1: you're handing me a red lobster. So, and if you
Speaker 1: use anything other than your f POS account, so if
Speaker 1: you're using the debit card, credit card, guess what they do?
Speaker 1: Fee fee, fee, fee, fee, hundreds, hundreds, hundreds of millions
Speaker 1: of dollars. But the fee is not enough. So we
Speaker 1: also have to have a fee if you go into
Speaker 1: the bank to ask for your money from your bank.
Speaker 1: What does this have to do with the point I
Speaker 1: made about what do banks and most politicians have in common.
Speaker 1: They bet that you won't anywhere else. They bet that slowly, maturely,
Speaker 1: like the proverbial frog and the proverbial pot. It's justus
Speaker 1: getting warm now. Of course, if they started their business yesterday,
Speaker 1: you turner and got what all this fees? I'm not
Speaker 1: doing that. Who else is around, but because you've been
Speaker 1: with them since the little tin or you the Dolomite
Speaker 1: account or whatever the other version for all of the
Speaker 1: other banks. It's not specific to the Commonwealth Bank. They
Speaker 1: all do it, honestly, and it's the same with the
Speaker 1: political parties like labor things. You are so stupid you
Speaker 1: will not cross the street. You won't cross the street
Speaker 1: because oh beat it done terrible. They just assumed. Now
Speaker 1: we can just light your face, we can promise it's
Speaker 1: going to be better. It all gets worse. But you
Speaker 1: know what, you're not going anywhere, which is why the
Speaker 1: two are so closely linked. And don't forget, unlike many
Speaker 1: other industries, you the Australian taxpayer under right the banks.
Speaker 1: This of course was in relation to the global financial
Speaker 1: crisis way back when, and this was a good idea.
Speaker 1: It meant that we didn't have a run on the
Speaker 1: banks so it meant that the banks didn't collapse. Great, fine,
Speaker 1: fair enough, But you would think that part of the
Speaker 1: response to that would be that you don't introduce a
Speaker 1: new tax for people to go to their own bank
Speaker 1: to their own money. But because they know you ain't
Speaker 1: going anywhere, you'll just take it. Now, I think we
Speaker 1: have to have a national conversation about how we really
Speaker 1: are treating teenagers at the moment. Now. As you know,
Speaker 1: last week the bills were pass that if you are
Speaker 1: under the age of sixteen you're not allowed on social media.
Speaker 1: Why because social media is awful, all right, and this
Speaker 1: is in no way talking against the band all the
Speaker 1: rest of it all. The polling suggests two thirds of
Speaker 1: people support the idea at this point in time. The
Speaker 1: numbers will come and go as we see, and the
Speaker 1: Prime Minister is very excited because well, first, you know,
Speaker 1: sure it doesn't actually kick until next year, and they
Speaker 1: don't know how they're going to do it, but it's
Speaker 1: a world first, you know, achievement, achievement, achievement. So let's
Speaker 1: be clear, if you are sixteen or under, you can't
Speaker 1: use social media because it's bad, but according to the
Speaker 1: Family Court, you can access cross sex hormones, despite the
Speaker 1: fact that one of your parents say no, this shouldn't
Speaker 1: be happening to a kid. A gender dysphoric fifteen year
Speaker 1: old has been granted access to cross sex hormones despite
Speaker 1: a family court judge citing a legal void of the
Speaker 1: consequences of people regretting their change of gender. The judge
Speaker 1: ruled in favor of the child, known to the court
Speaker 1: as Kelly. It's not a comment necessarily about Kelly, but
Speaker 1: it's a conversation about our system here, despite Kelly's father
Speaker 1: in the indicating he did not support the intervention, So
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter what dad says. The kid's going to
Speaker 1: do it anyway. So the kid can have the drugs
Speaker 1: to change from one sex to another at the age
Speaker 1: of fifteen, God forbid if they got access to Instagram.
Speaker 1: Perfect sense, right, We also understandably have a whole series
Speaker 1: of other examples about what you can and can't do
Speaker 1: when you're ten and twelve and fourteen and sixteen, that
Speaker 1: then the society will completely let you do. Like again,
Speaker 1: if a fifteen year old wanted to get a tattoo,
Speaker 1: they can't get a tattoo. If a fifteen year old
Speaker 1: wants to take the drugs that changes their body forever.
Speaker 1: A couple of other quick ones before we're done tonight.
Speaker 1: Paul Keating. Now, I remember at some point in time
Speaker 1: the Labor Party absolutely did not want to sell Telstra Telecoms.
Speaker 1: It was well, Paul Keating got in on the Boost
Speaker 1: mobile franchise and he got in nice and early year
Speaker 1: two thousand. It's now going to be bought by Telstra
Speaker 1: and he's apparently going to be worth an extra forty
Speaker 1: million dollars. There is an expectation that an intense rain
Speaker 1: bomb is going to hit us in the next little while,
Speaker 1: and yes that is not a mistake on your screens.
Speaker 1: Some part of the country are going to go well
Speaker 1: beyond forty degrees. Here's the Weather Channel explaining what might
Speaker 1: be coming.
Speaker 3: A rainfall will continue across the coast of Queensland and
Speaker 3: New South Wales as well as in Northern Territory and
Speaker 3: it could produce periods of heavy rainfall throughout Thursday and Friday.
Speaker 3: So we are continuing to see that heavy rainfall, that
Speaker 3: scene pattern we've been dealing with over at the last
Speaker 3: week continuing throughout the end of this week.
Speaker 1: And Hunter Biden and his old man Joe or the
Speaker 1: big guydeare I say now, as you know, he has
Speaker 1: been pardoned because he was found guilty of for tax
Speaker 1: issues and lying on a form before he could get
Speaker 1: a gun. A gun that, by the way, he just
Speaker 1: threw in the bin nearest school. But gun control very
Speaker 1: important issue for the Democrats. You've heard this story already,
Speaker 1: but you may will not have heard this detail when
Speaker 1: you actually go into the text of the pardon, which
Speaker 1: was released with the statement, which of course most of
Speaker 1: the media was distracted by because he's a dad and
Speaker 1: he loves his kid. The pardon goes from any and
Speaker 1: every crime known and unknown from January one, twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: through to December one, twenty twenty four So hang on,
Speaker 1: he's been committing crimes all the time that Joe's been
Speaker 1: the president, or what would have been happening back in
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen. That's right when that laptop came out. But
Speaker 1: that was Russian disinformation, wasn't it. Now, spare thought for
Speaker 1: the Democrats who just go out and talk the talking points, right,
Speaker 1: you know, Donald Trump threat to democracy. Donald Trump will
Speaker 1: weaponize the just as sistant. Donald Trump will treat his
Speaker 1: family like a Royal family. No one is above the law.
Speaker 1: Nice little moment on CNN when somebody is confronted with
Speaker 1: their own words while arguing exactly the opposite of themselves.
Speaker 9: I mean, you went out on a limb, backing up
Speaker 9: Biden when he said that there would not be a
Speaker 9: pardon in July of twenty twenty three, just after that
Speaker 9: plea deal fell through. This is what you said, I
Speaker 9: want to watch.
Speaker 6: Do you think a pardon for his son would be
Speaker 6: a mistake?
Speaker 2: Yes, And I don't think there's any chance that President
Speaker 2: Biden is going to do that.
Speaker 9: What does that feel like watching yourself back then reassuring
Speaker 9: people that Biden was not going to issue a pardon
Speaker 9: for his son.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I think that if that plea agreement and
Speaker 8: that plea deal had gone through, there would be no pardon.
Speaker 9: But you know, you took him at his word. So
Speaker 9: what does that feel like knowing that he's gone back
Speaker 9: on it.
Speaker 8: Well, as I said, I'm disappointed.
Speaker 1: Get me off the air, Get me off the air. Surprise, surprise.
Speaker 1: We all know those people live. We all know that
Speaker 1: the Bidens have got the Piper trial and the laptop
Speaker 1: and all the rist of it. Yet because of course
Speaker 1: they're able to get themselves off the hook. They will,
Speaker 1: and there's plenty of time where he want to do
Speaker 1: exactly this same thing for his brother or even himself.
Speaker 1: But it was Donald Trump who was the threat to democracy.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden was the sharpest he'd ever been in the
Speaker 1: same media of the now, the ones turning around and saying,
Speaker 1: I can't believe Joe Biden told a lie December three,
Speaker 1: a great day in history. Quick breakback with more plenty
Speaker 1: to talk about Niger Ferras joints and there's an idea
Speaker 1: out of the US at the UK, by the way,
Speaker 1: probably helps the Labor Party get him out of Parliament,
Speaker 1: but maybe sending him to Washington as the ambassador for
Speaker 1: the UK. After all, he is very close to Trump. Niger,
Speaker 1: Farrash and a mum or two here on Paul Murray Life.
Speaker 1: Thanks for watching. We're having fun, lots to talk about
Speaker 1: with just the viral sensation. That is great leak and
Speaker 1: we'll get to this. A viral sensation, of course, you
Speaker 1: know from plenty of places, but certainly here at sky
Speaker 1: means his research as well. Got that right again on
Speaker 1: let's just want another check and wonderful Joe Hildebrand, who
Speaker 1: used to be viral.
Speaker 10: He used to be that's right now. Anytime I get
Speaker 10: a viral sensation, I have to go and get a
Speaker 10: cream from the clean That's as close as I get
Speaker 10: to very viral.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I remember that. That that wonderful first couple of
Speaker 1: years of a career where it's like the youngest, this
Speaker 1: the youngest that I just go.
Speaker 11: That's so much to look forward to right here.
Speaker 10: Actually very fascist Joe Hildebrand.
Speaker 1: Today's yeah, wait till you get described as and friend
Speaker 1: in a newspaper. All right. Now, you of course had
Speaker 1: a bit of attention today from the good people of
Speaker 1: the Daily Mail because you've been ripping into the Prime
Speaker 1: Minister not just on Telly, but on the interwebs as well.
Speaker 1: Tell us what was the particular moment that meant no
Speaker 1: time to grab the phone and yell at it?
Speaker 9: Ah?
Speaker 11: Well, to be honest, it was kind of just being
Speaker 11: out at the pub with a bunch of friends when
Speaker 11: I realized I was paying thirty two dollars for a
Speaker 11: chicken palmi and fifteen dollars for a schooner of beer,
Speaker 11: and I just went, this is actually ridiculous. It would
Speaker 11: take us after tax about two hours or more for
Speaker 11: the average person to be able to afford a night out,
Speaker 11: not a crazy night, a parmi and a beer at
Speaker 11: a pub. So I just thought this is getting ridiculous.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it is a symptom of the things
Speaker 1: that we've all talked about for a long time. But
Speaker 1: it cost of living, power, prices, all the rest of it, right,
Speaker 1: And the reality, Joe is no politician can make people
Speaker 1: think other than what they're living. That's absolutely right, and
Speaker 1: that's the hell hole the governments in terms of a
Speaker 1: political one, whether you like them or not, and we
Speaker 1: all know which way I feel. But you wrote that
Speaker 1: Anthony Arbernezi has renewed courage, he's taking a standard deliver
Speaker 1: on policy, and you even invoked that he was Katie
Speaker 1: Peries or on rotation.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I think.
Speaker 10: It seems to me that government's basically sort of had
Speaker 10: two acts and is embarking on its third act, and
Speaker 10: how that resolves itself will determine whether or not it
Speaker 10: gets re elected. The first year it was in it
Speaker 10: had an incredible amount of good luck, and of course,
Speaker 10: like all politicians do, it took credit for the good luck,
Speaker 10: even though a lot of it was beyond its control.
Speaker 10: So you know, the budget surplus, the unpopularity of the
Speaker 10: Morrison government and them being able to go around TI
Speaker 10: being things up and everyone just like.
Speaker 1: The other mob was terrible and that's right.
Speaker 10: And then then you have that incredible almost a year
Speaker 10: leading up to the as In by election where the
Speaker 10: first time in a century there's almost a double digit
Speaker 10: swing towards the government the voice, and then the voice happens,
Speaker 10: but the voice happens at the exact same time as
Speaker 10: mortgage as interest rates keep going up and up and
Speaker 10: up and up and up, and the exact same time
Speaker 10: as inflation. Despite coming down from how rapidly it's increasing,
Speaker 10: it's still going up.
Speaker 1: But also it's really starting to affect people.
Speaker 10: So in the first year COVID's just sort of you know,
Speaker 10: in the rear view mirror, people are still going out.
Speaker 10: It's that spending that is fueling the inflation. In this
Speaker 10: part of the cycle, people have gone to crap.
Speaker 1: This is really starting tour.
Speaker 10: They've stopped going out and they're still getting smashed and
Speaker 10: the palmi and the beer is the rest of that story.
Speaker 10: And then running through that, of course, instead of the
Speaker 10: government doing everything, it can to focus on it. It's
Speaker 10: got this voice that it's trying to get it up,
Speaker 10: which looks increasingly ideological. It looks increasingly like a pet
Speaker 10: project to the left because you've got people accusing anyone
Speaker 10: who doesn't support it being racist.
Speaker 1: How does this cost Y's no question costs all of
Speaker 1: those things, and so you have that.
Speaker 10: So that was kind of like haunting the whole thing.
Speaker 10: And now with that last week in the Parliament, he's
Speaker 10: basically had a chance to say, right, these are the
Speaker 10: things we are going to do. We're going to do
Speaker 10: on our own terms. We're going to kick the Greens
Speaker 10: in the nuts and we're not going to compromise on anything,
Speaker 10: which I think is a good He definitely thinks anything
Speaker 10: ideological that has tacked right, we're magically going in this direction.
Speaker 10: Just because you're going in this direction doesn't mean people
Speaker 10: are going to turn around and follow, which brings me
Speaker 10: to a breaking story out of The Australian. It'll be
Speaker 10: on the newspapers tomorrow, but I can talk about it
Speaker 10: now because at at the Australian dot com dot are
Speaker 10: you as just dropped? Voters marked down PM as a
Speaker 10: third for go essentials for rent and mortgages.
Speaker 1: This is a poll that they have done. If we
Speaker 1: can bring those numbers up, guys in a second, you'll
Speaker 1: be surprised to learn that climate change is now issue
Speaker 1: maybe for some cost of living, of course, the roaring
Speaker 1: number one issue in lots of areas. And as you'll
Speaker 1: see with these stats that are going to start to
Speaker 1: roll through here that there is yeah cost of living
Speaker 1: number one issue there thirty something percent compared to housing,
Speaker 1: which obviously feeds back in as well. Let's move through
Speaker 1: to the next one here, guys, if we can the
Speaker 1: concerns you can see pretty obviously there all the different
Speaker 1: bars are all the different types of voters, they're all
Speaker 1: universally in one place. And again, good luck trying to
Speaker 1: tell people when your parming costs what it does, or
Speaker 1: your power cost what it does, everything's fine. And then
Speaker 1: forty percent of people say they're struggling to pay their
Speaker 1: mortgage or rent right now, and about thirty five thirty
Speaker 1: six have had to go without. So this is the
Speaker 1: broader picture. It's something that we have relentlessly talked about
Speaker 1: for three years, and in part Freyer I have talked
Speaker 1: about it for three years because they promised it would
Speaker 1: be different. Now, Remember they decided quite fairly and fine,
Speaker 1: and they got their win and they ran down a batter,
Speaker 1: you know, to government, but they set an expectation that
Speaker 1: it would be better. They now turn and say, three
Speaker 1: years on from two to seventy five, Oh, the modeling
Speaker 1: didn't really count. Oh there was a war and the
Speaker 1: war had happened before the election. Do you think there
Speaker 1: is a way for them to turn it around? And
Speaker 1: also do you think that there is something to their
Speaker 1: internal view which is there's no way we're getting the
Speaker 1: backside after one term.
Speaker 11: Look, Joe may think elbows out here with a raw.
Speaker 11: I think it's more like a whimper. I think this
Speaker 11: new albert era is definitely a whimper or a mew.
Speaker 11: It's definitely not at raw level at all. Because I mean,
Speaker 11: when you think about it, well, what could they actually
Speaker 11: do to turn this around at this point? Their current
Speaker 11: approach has just been subsidized energy prices, put more money
Speaker 11: into rent assistance. Let's just inject cash into the economy
Speaker 11: in areas where people are forced to spend and artificially
Speaker 11: lower the inflation number through energy subsidies. But the problem
Speaker 11: is just adding more government spending three hundred and fifteen
Speaker 11: billion dollars worth since the election, funnily enough, just fuels
Speaker 11: more inflation.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing. I remember having a conversation after, you know,
Speaker 1: when we used to do elections here at Sky, a
Speaker 1: bunch of us would come on here on the Sunday
Speaker 1: morning after an election, right, And I don't remember whether
Speaker 1: it was twenty ten or twenty twelve, but I remember
Speaker 1: how conversation I had with Laura Jays on the air.
Speaker 1: We're talking about, oh, but what about debt and what
Speaker 1: about this? And she said in terms of voters like,
Speaker 1: they'll say that debt matters, but they also want government
Speaker 1: to spend as much as they possibly can, right, in
Speaker 1: the same way you must fight climate change, but I'm
Speaker 1: not willing to pay for it. Government, of course, is
Speaker 1: about making a series of those choices in and around
Speaker 1: all of this. And that's part of the problem, isn't it, Joe.
Speaker 1: Where I was listening to again, I know Chris Richardson,
Speaker 1: you know, sort of spends half his life at home
Speaker 1: and half of it on a television or radio show somewhere.
Speaker 1: And I was listening to him with John Stanley on
Speaker 1: two GB last night after the show on the way home,
Speaker 1: shout out to mister mcgil on the way home, and
Speaker 1: he was talking about how it's never been easier for
Speaker 1: oppositions to become governments, but it is never been hard
Speaker 1: for governments to fight off opposition because the reality of
Speaker 1: some of their expectations or the things you say on
Speaker 1: the way to the job. Guess what, that's why you've
Speaker 1: got to show some restraint. And I go back to
Speaker 1: the election of Peter Malinowskis in South Australia. He was
Speaker 1: asked about cost of living in a Sky News people's
Speaker 1: forum and he said, look, we're going to be really
Speaker 1: clear with you. We don't set the price of bread.
Speaker 1: I'm going to be really clear with you don't. And
Speaker 1: he was clear about the delineation between everything and what
Speaker 1: government can control. That's right.
Speaker 10: So there's a couple of things in terms of the
Speaker 10: you know, you can take your second term for granted.
Speaker 10: The last two governments have shown that that is perilously perilous.
Speaker 10: With christ even again now you could say, even when
Speaker 10: a government did the horrible, unprecedented thing and decapitated a
Speaker 10: first term sitting prime minister, replaced them with someone that
Speaker 10: no one had voted for to be prime minister. They
Speaker 10: still creep over the line in minority in twenty ten,
Speaker 10: and again the same thing happens in twenty sixteen where
Speaker 10: it looks like they're going to go into minority, but
Speaker 10: Turnbull gets up by one. So yes, the Australian electric
Speaker 10: is incredibly forgiving. But g whiz is that tolerance being tested?
Speaker 10: And never before have you had a lower respect and
Speaker 10: trust in institutions and political institutions. So there is that,
Speaker 10: And again just relying on historical precedent for what happens
Speaker 10: in the future is a fool's Errand the second thing
Speaker 10: I would just say is that if the government thought
Speaker 10: it was going to a chance of getting an interest
Speaker 10: rate cut before the next election, I think you might
Speaker 10: find that it is more fiscally discipline. But given that
Speaker 10: that appears to be a shrinking likelihood, I think they
Speaker 10: will do exactly as you say. And people just say
Speaker 10: they pretend they care about the economics or want the economics,
Speaker 10: but basically people just want what's in it for them.
Speaker 10: How much better off will I be the government's not
Speaker 10: going to get a rate cut and not going to
Speaker 10: get a budget surplus, It will go you.
Speaker 1: Know, and my argument is even if they get WAE right,
Speaker 1: if it's gone up by twelve, that goes down to eleven. Great, right,
Speaker 1: someone paying off a house? Great? But is it the change?
Speaker 1: Is it the reset? Perhaps? I wouldn't think so, but
Speaker 1: we'll say. I want to show you Climbate two hundred
Speaker 1: trying to go the folaggerbogoger on Peter Dutt and Hedio
Speaker 1: and saying he's Donald Trump. And of course they're trying
Speaker 1: to get donations off the back of all of this
Speaker 1: to this certain section of the left that just I'm
Speaker 1: not you know, they're not quite at Dutton arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 1: But glose Gez their close frayer. Are they barking up
Speaker 1: the wrong tree? Or is there plenty of money in
Speaker 1: this sort of stuff?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 11: The thing is this sort of add you know, it'll
Speaker 11: keep Warringa out of the Liberals' hands, but it will
Speaker 11: probably help us win a seat like Werrowa. The mortgage
Speaker 11: bells even Yeah, and I think that is what the left.
Speaker 11: I mean, you're seeing them in the US trying to
Speaker 11: understand how how on earth could the majority of people
Speaker 11: possibly vote for Trump. The Australian left are grappling with
Speaker 11: the exact same thing. They just do not understand it.
Speaker 11: But I think if they import this fight here, and
Speaker 11: if they do try to link Dutton to Trump, it
Speaker 11: will probably help them in some of the till seeds.
Speaker 11: But I think it will only help the Liberals in
Speaker 11: the mortgage belt battler areas.
Speaker 1: But I remember sort of, you know, I think for
Speaker 1: a while trying to get nicknames to stick. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: was doing Aussie Joe Biden about elbow, and then eventually
Speaker 1: you sort of it does do it on you. People
Speaker 1: aren't into that stuff right where they are, who they are,
Speaker 1: and they'll be judged by this. The idea of sort
Speaker 1: of saying, well, we won't tell you what's wrong with
Speaker 1: this guy, we'll just put him next to somebody we
Speaker 1: know you don't love.
Speaker 10: This is exactly what is wrong with a left that
Speaker 10: has become completely overrun, a cultural left there's been completely
Speaker 10: overrun by upper middle class socialists and their kids. It
Speaker 10: is not only just nauseating obnoxious to observe, but they
Speaker 10: would act. What they actually want is someone to demonize
Speaker 10: what they want as a sinister enemy, to turn into
Speaker 10: a monster so they can then look like the heroic heroic.
Speaker 1: Which slays the dragons.
Speaker 10: Warriors revolting against them. And of course what actually happens
Speaker 10: here is that it doesn't work for anyone else accept them.
Speaker 10: What they actually want is to be a party of protests,
Speaker 10: because that's what gets their rocks off, that's what makes
Speaker 10: them feel good about themselves and courageous and brave. And
Speaker 10: so they, whether consciously or subconsciously, they actually want Peter
Speaker 10: Dutton to be the Prime ministent. They will help get
Speaker 10: him elected, whether they know it or not, and they
Speaker 10: will hurt Anthony Albanezi, and they will hurt the Labor Party.
Speaker 10: They do it every single time. And they are traders
Speaker 10: to the left. And given that they are up in
Speaker 10: middle class trots, we should do what all good comies
Speaker 10: do to their comrades when they become outlived their usefulness.
Speaker 1: We take them out in the back and we let them.
Speaker 1: Let them they can go to the Grandpa's far Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go, there you go. All right, Thank you, appreciate.
Speaker 1: I don't want the meeting tomorrow. Thank you very much,
Speaker 1: jo thank you for doing viral sensations. Speaking of the
Speaker 1: great Nigel Faras joins us. Next, so someone in the
Speaker 1: Labor Party has come up with an idea of sending
Speaker 1: him to Washington to be the UK ambassador. I'm pretty
Speaker 1: sure we'll say no, but we'll find out next Nigel
Speaker 1: for Arch joins us now from the UK. Nigel, So,
Speaker 1: some little devil in the Labor Party is suggesting, you
Speaker 1: know what a great job for Nigel for Arch would be.
Speaker 1: He gets along, so well, will Donald Trump go and
Speaker 1: be the UK ambassador? Of course that would also mean
Speaker 1: you get out of the UK Parliament of the Reform
Speaker 1: Party may just slightly move on. So are you planning
Speaker 1: a move to Washington anytime soon?
Speaker 5: So in twenty seventeen, Donald Trump tweeted that he wanted
Speaker 5: me to be the UK ambassador and I thought about it.
Speaker 5: Then I thought, Wow, if they appoint me, wouldn't it
Speaker 5: be great? I mean, it would be the party house
Speaker 5: of Washington, DC. You'd never have seen a wine cellar
Speaker 5: like it. I promise you a new way of doing diplomacy.
Speaker 5: Let's go for it. Look, there is absolutely there is
Speaker 5: no chance. I mean, I understand they want me out
Speaker 5: of the way. I understand they're very scared of me.
Speaker 5: You know, I understand that we're now neck and neck
Speaker 5: with the Labor Party in Wales, where they've been the
Speaker 5: dominant party for one hundred years. So I get the idea,
Speaker 5: let's boot him over there and get rid of him.
Speaker 5: But it isn't going to happen. They're not going to
Speaker 5: appoint me fun though it would be important though it is,
Speaker 5: it isn't going to happen.
Speaker 1: Still with the US, the hunter Biden thing, the pardon,
Speaker 1: we all knew it was coming. He of course said
Speaker 1: it wasn't all the rest of him, right, But the
Speaker 1: detail is kind of important here. It's from twenty fourteen
Speaker 1: through to the start of this month, so he was
Speaker 1: committing crimes during his time as Joe's president. Or of
Speaker 1: course fourteen is Barisma and Ukraine. The devil's in the
Speaker 1: detail here. But I thought there was nothing to see here,
Speaker 1: nothing nothing to see Russian disinformation.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, the laptop all false, and the references to the
Speaker 5: big guy. Don't worry about the ten percent for the
Speaker 5: big guy when we know who the big guy was,
Speaker 5: don't we look? I think frankly Biden has done this
Speaker 5: to save his own skin, because if you just look
Speaker 5: at the wealth accumulation of his brother, James Biden, of
Speaker 5: Joe Biden himself and of Hunter. Look and we're talking,
Speaker 5: we're talking ten twenty, maybe more, millions of dollars that
Speaker 5: family has been enriched by. And I think this has
Speaker 5: been done to save his own skin. If that sounds cynical,
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, but I really do believe that.
Speaker 1: No. I think what you know, this happens just before Thanksgiving,
Speaker 1: just before Christmas. It'll be the brother wait, watch and see,
Speaker 1: and then look again if he chooses to pardon himself.
Speaker 1: But does it not put the cherry on the top
Speaker 1: of the Democrats and the lyft Generally, it's all about projiction.
Speaker 1: What they accuse you of is what they are doing.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, jack Ouse. It's classic, isn't it.
Speaker 5: You know, you accuse the other bloke in the office
Speaker 5: of having an affair with a girl in the corner
Speaker 5: when it's you that's doing it all the time. It's
Speaker 5: classic of the way they operate. They have used lawfare
Speaker 5: against Donald Trump in the most astonishing the New York
Speaker 5: case against the Trump Corporation. I mean, nothing like it
Speaker 5: ever been seen before in American commercial history. And yet
Speaker 5: out of sheer hypocrisy here they are breaking all their
Speaker 5: pledges partnering Hunter. The whole thing is a disgrace, and
Speaker 5: that's why I think the Democrats as a party are
Speaker 5: going to be in the wilderness now for a very
Speaker 5: long time and they thoroughly deserve it.
Speaker 1: Well, that's it. They do deserve it, as long as
Speaker 1: well as their media mates who still do not understand
Speaker 1: why people just rejected a whole type of politics, not
Speaker 1: just the names in it. It's not about the message,
Speaker 1: so about the brand is about a lot more things
Speaker 1: that are deeper and more complicated. Mate, loving to talk
Speaker 1: to you. Let's have another chat next week, looking forward
Speaker 1: to King Mate. The man who will not be the ambassador,
Speaker 1: but his party house is somewhere in London, is none
Speaker 1: of them? The great Nigel Farage where I'm sure his
Speaker 1: wine cellar is bloody fantastic. All right, that's our show
Speaker 1: for to night, Megan Kelly. On the show tomorrow, we'll
Speaker 1: be talking about the partner, a whole lot more of
Speaker 1: the late debate just moments from now. I'll see you later.
Speaker 1: I'm Paul Murray, and that this has been a little
Speaker 1: bit of Telly