Speaker 1: On the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Well,
Speaker 1: good evening. James Barrow here filling in for Paul Murray
Speaker 1: from the Man Cave. Coming up tonight, We've got an
Speaker 1: absolutely massive show. Well, there was an artist, it turns out,
Speaker 1: who was handpicked to represent Australia on the world stage.
Speaker 1: Just the only thing is some of his former works
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Speaker 1: not all under Tony Brooks nose of course, plus Boulder
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Speaker 1: coast of our nation and there's been another close call
Speaker 1: between fighter jets and another ceasefire could be on the
Speaker 1: cards with talks, said Trump and Putin, we'll meet to
Speaker 1: discuss a deal to end the war in Ukraine. Anyway,
Speaker 1: it is great to be with you here tonight. Only
Speaker 1: I wish that I had happier news to talk with
Speaker 1: you about the fallout from those two New South Wales
Speaker 1: health nurses who were having a bit of you know,
Speaker 1: cheeky internet banter suggesting, we hope jokingly that they would
Speaker 1: kill Israeli patience. News of this well, it spread nationwide,
Speaker 1: even internationally, and it also featured heavily in today's debates
Speaker 1: in Parliament. But first, just to refresh everyone's memory, let's
Speaker 1: go back and have one more look at what nurses
Speaker 1: Ahmed Rashad Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebden said online, apparently
Speaker 1: while they were on shift, words that were so shocking
Speaker 1: that everyone was completely shocked. Let's say an Israeli.
Speaker 2: God batak them out.
Speaker 1: To them, you kill them.
Speaker 3: So if an Israeli is in Australia and God forbid
Speaker 3: something happened to him and he comes to your hospital,
Speaker 3: would you kill him?
Speaker 4: Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli A dog
Speaker 4: came to this hospital and.
Speaker 1: A charming stuff. There you go. They would kill Israeli patients,
Speaker 1: send them to a Jahannam, which is apparently Islam's version
Speaker 1: of hell. You name it. Obviously horrific stuff even to
Speaker 1: joke about. Now the nurses have of course gone to ground,
Speaker 1: claimed it was all of being misunderstanding the usual stuff.
Speaker 1: But who's buying it not me? And the cops are,
Speaker 1: according to the headlines quote, negotiating with the pair over
Speaker 1: them doing a full interview. Now they've been stood down
Speaker 1: by the authorities, saying that they will never work in
Speaker 1: the New South Wales Health system. Again good And in
Speaker 1: the latest development, just a few hours ago, the Australian
Speaker 1: Practitioner Regulation Agency has updated their register to reflect this.
Speaker 1: They have been struck off the rolls. And you know,
Speaker 1: as I talk about this, I can already hear a
Speaker 1: few of the keyboard worriors out there limbering up saying,
Speaker 1: Ohmorrow tomorrow. Isn't this cancel culture? I thought you were
Speaker 1: against that. Don't you believe in free speech? Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: of course I do, which is why it is so
Speaker 1: important to understand just why this speech here was not
Speaker 1: the sort of thing that anyone should deem as protected
Speaker 1: like other sorts of offensive comments. I mean, first of all,
Speaker 1: this video took place. It was filmed and made in
Speaker 1: the workplace, presumably when the pair should have been looking
Speaker 1: after patients Israeli or otherwise. Though let's be frank, I
Speaker 1: think you'd be hard pressed to find too many Sabras
Speaker 1: hanging out in Bankstown these days. Now, the pair were
Speaker 1: also representing their employer, the taxpayer, New South Wales Health
Speaker 1: via their uniforms, and what they said, well, again, that
Speaker 1: wasn't a mere opinion. It could be constituted as a
Speaker 1: threat that, if taken seriously, would have meant they were
Speaker 1: happy and willing to put lives at risk. Now, you
Speaker 1: know how there are signs at the airport that say,
Speaker 1: don't make jokes about bombs at security or you are
Speaker 1: going to have a pretty awful rest of the day. Well,
Speaker 1: it's the same principle here. This is a hospital where
Speaker 1: lives and not just feelings are at stake, and where
Speaker 1: the entire system relies on the fundamental foundational understanding that
Speaker 1: everyone who walks through or is wheeled in through those
Speaker 1: doors is going to get the same first class treatment
Speaker 1: as anybody else. No wonder. Today there was a rally
Speaker 1: of nurses and midwives outside New South Wales Parliament House,
Speaker 1: with many of the participants in tears, yes, tears, understandably
Speaker 1: over the thought that their profession they're calling their vocation
Speaker 1: had been called into question, its integrity called into questions.
Speaker 1: And they carried signs that said things like no hate
Speaker 1: in healthcare to reassure the public that their profession hasn't
Speaker 1: been infiltrated by jihadists and anti semits. Now, these are hospitals,
Speaker 1: after all, not university humanities faculties. So you know, I
Speaker 1: think we're safe. There are those still at least some
Speaker 1: standards there. But look, there is also in a sense
Speaker 1: a sense which there is perhaps a bit of good
Speaker 1: I think that might come out of this whole discussion. Yes,
Speaker 1: that's right now. I don't say this with any particular joy,
Speaker 1: but the shock brazenness of this video has I think
Speaker 1: lifted a lot of the taboos around talking about multiculturalism
Speaker 1: and how Australia, which is yes, a nation of migrants,
Speaker 1: I'm one a nation of settlers and of Aboriginals who
Speaker 1: were here before anybody else, has gone off the rails.
Speaker 1: Now we saw another example of that today when Sky
Speaker 1: News went out to Bankstown, where the hospital in question
Speaker 1: is located in Sydney's western suburbs, and well they spoke
Speaker 1: to this man.
Speaker 5: Have a look, they have a free right to say
Speaker 5: whatever they want.
Speaker 2: You know, is it wrong to say that?
Speaker 5: Yes, in any way possible.
Speaker 2: You stand with the fact that someone has threatened to
Speaker 2: kill and not treat a Jewish patient.
Speaker 3: And what about all the kids that Jews have killed,
Speaker 3: Israel's killing kids in Palestini and people here obviously all
Speaker 3: around the world.
Speaker 5: Look what they did and live.
Speaker 3: On them as well.
Speaker 1: Catch you just feel the vibrancy. I'm enriched already. Now
Speaker 1: our reporter is, to be fair, found plenty of people
Speaker 1: out there who disagreed with those sentiments. But this is,
Speaker 1: you'd have to say, an attitude that is all too prevalent.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you something else. My own sources in
Speaker 1: the medical profession have told me that the pair we've
Speaker 1: been talking about are not an outlier at least an attitude,
Speaker 1: if not an actual action in some parts of the
Speaker 1: Sydney and New South Wales health system. What a mess
Speaker 1: we have gotten ourselves into. But here's the thing. People
Speaker 1: like me and probably a lot of you out there
Speaker 1: have been warning about the failings of multiculturalism for years now,
Speaker 1: and it is worthwhile to break down just how this
Speaker 1: has all gone so wrong. And number one, I think
Speaker 1: it starts with a series of small l liberal delusions,
Speaker 1: delusions like all cultures are equal, and not only that
Speaker 1: they are compatible, and that there is some magical process,
Speaker 1: a transubstantiation, if you will, that turns people from very
Speaker 1: different cultures with very alien attitudes about religion and children
Speaker 1: and family and work and everything else into people who
Speaker 1: share our nations common values and beliefs. Thus, for example,
Speaker 1: some people who come from a place that treat women
Speaker 1: as property suddenly land in Australia, get a house in
Speaker 1: the Burbs, and magically accept all of a sudden that
Speaker 1: women should be able to work and date and marry
Speaker 1: who they wish, even if that person is a member
Speaker 1: of a different religion or no religion at all. And likewise,
Speaker 1: some people who think Jews are evil and demonic will
Speaker 1: at some point on the way to Australia suddenly being
Speaker 1: seen the light and understand that Jews are in fact
Speaker 1: valued members of the Australian communit who have been contributing
Speaker 1: to Australian society at the highest levels virtually since our
Speaker 1: modern nation was founded. So as a result of this, well,
Speaker 1: these delusions have led us to make all sorts of
Speaker 1: poor policy choices and led to this situation now where
Speaker 1: we have ethnicity based identity politics. These delusions, this magical
Speaker 1: thinking about multiculturalism, of course, began under Guff Whitlam, though multiculturalism,
Speaker 1: it should be said, wasn't part of his original plan. Instead,
Speaker 1: official multiculturalism was foisted on the nation by activists and
Speaker 1: Whitlam's Immigration minister Al Graspy, which has meant that since
Speaker 1: the seventies, Australian's official policy has been to encourage migrants
Speaker 1: not so much to become Australians as instead to hold
Speaker 1: on to their identity that they've brought over from the
Speaker 1: Old Country with whatever attitudes it happened to go with it.
Speaker 1: How's that working out for us now? Back then, the
Speaker 1: government did things like create the SBS network, Sex and
Speaker 1: Bloody Soccer as it was known in the days, to
Speaker 1: keep migrants connected to their homelands, their home countries. In
Speaker 1: the process. Of course, this also kept them from diving
Speaker 1: head first into the project of becoming Australians, as occurred
Speaker 1: with previous generations, particularly those who came over here after
Speaker 1: World War II. Now today, of course, they don't need SBS.
Speaker 1: They just need the Internet and they can remain living
Speaker 1: mentally in the Old Country even if physically they live here.
Speaker 1: Former Prime Minister John Howard recently had to sit down
Speaker 1: with his former deputy John Anderson and talked about how
Speaker 1: that earlier generation of migrants, the post World War II
Speaker 1: migrants pre SBS, pre guff Whitland, pre al Gaspi, all
Speaker 1: of that well, how they approached migration, and he told
Speaker 1: this story.
Speaker 6: Time and time again as I moved around the country
Speaker 6: as Prime Minister. I can remember I'd go to a
Speaker 6: country here and go to me in ban dance and Lady,
Speaker 6: I came from Croatia and this is the greatest country
Speaker 6: in the world, and I came here because I liked
Speaker 6: what you were. She didn't come to Australia to make
Speaker 6: us like she was. She wanted to become like we were.
Speaker 1: But as we know, things changed after that generation mister
Speaker 1: Howard was referring to, particularly when it came to importing
Speaker 1: people from the Middle East from a very alien culture,
Speaker 1: with all the tribal and religious grievances that can go
Speaker 1: along with that. Now Labor's Paul Keating, for example, lobby
Speaker 1: to stop the controversial shak kalally from being deported to
Speaker 1: play to ethnic votes that resulted from this cultural tribalism
Speaker 1: that we developed the Liberals, although I use that word loosely.
Speaker 1: Malcolm Fraser well he was warned by Immigration Department officials
Speaker 1: that his government was accepting too many Lebanese Muslim refugees
Speaker 1: from the Lebanese Civil War without quote the required qualities.
Speaker 1: According to the Department, for successful integration, and most recently
Speaker 1: we have seen Labor under Anthony Albanizi presiding over the
Speaker 1: worst outbreak of hatred an anti semitism in Australian history. Truly,
Speaker 1: that began just after the October seventh atrocities. I mean,
Speaker 1: who could forget this moment from Western Sydney as news
Speaker 1: of Hamas's rapes and massacres ricochet around the world.
Speaker 3: I'm smighty, I'm smiling and unhappy.
Speaker 1: I'm the night.
Speaker 3: It's a die of courage fall.
Speaker 1: It seems like we're gating a lot more than vibrant
Speaker 1: Cuisines with our multiculturalism. Hey but remember, as Labor always says,
Speaker 1: it's always anti Semitism and Islamophobia. That's the problem which
Speaker 1: brings us to the other part of the delusions behind
Speaker 1: our multicultural policy, and that is the failure to actively
Speaker 1: turn new migrants from anywhere into Australians. And that has
Speaker 1: been that failure to do so has been and remains
Speaker 1: a grave error. You see, since whatever faery dust they
Speaker 1: supposedly sprinkle on people when they land in Australia to stay,
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember what I got it, I called
Speaker 1: for weeks, Well, where's that that stuff doesn't work. Effort
Speaker 1: needs to be made by Australia, by the Australian government
Speaker 1: and the Australian people to help knit people into our
Speaker 1: collective Australian family. Yet the Albanese government has failed at
Speaker 1: every turn to do so. To be fair, previous governments
Speaker 1: have as well. It's mouth the right words about hate
Speaker 1: having no place during the current crisis, but because it
Speaker 1: is so wedded to votes and heavily Muslim outer suburban
Speaker 1: Sydney seats and in Sydney and Melbourne, that it plays
Speaker 1: into these old country obsessions. Therefore you have Penny Wongs
Speaker 1: continued railing against Israel at the UN and elsewhere. But
Speaker 1: more than that, all Australians have been let down by
Speaker 1: governments again of both stripes, to really argue for what
Speaker 1: is necessary, not a multi cultural Australia, but a multi racial,
Speaker 1: multi ethnic, multi confessional Australia where we may come from
Speaker 1: wherever and have whatever skin color, and have whatever religious beliefs,
Speaker 1: but our first loyalty is to Australia and a firmly
Speaker 1: articulated set of values. What, after all, our new migrants
Speaker 1: to think when they see the government undermining the very
Speaker 1: legitimacy of the modern nation that they came to when
Speaker 1: they see things like the Voice referendum and the school
Speaker 1: curriculum that runs down our history at every turn, where
Speaker 1: even the kids are told, no, this isn't Australia, this
Speaker 1: is stolen land and if you come here, well you're
Speaker 1: in on the thievery. To this end, perhaps I reckon
Speaker 1: Peter Dutton ought to pledge, if elected, to eliminate the
Speaker 1: multiculturalism portfolio from his government should he win power, and
Speaker 1: instead replace it with something else not maybe a Minister
Speaker 1: for Social cohesion. I think that's a willy phrase. It
Speaker 1: all too often is used to tell people to shut
Speaker 1: up and not talk about the problem. But maybe a
Speaker 1: Minister for integration making sure the entire Australian family, whenever
Speaker 1: you arrived here, is knitted together as one. Because focusing
Speaker 1: on multiculturalism and nostrums like diversity is our strength. Well
Speaker 1: by doing so, we have for decades been walking into
Speaker 1: a trap, a trap that is being sprung on us. Now,
Speaker 1: diversity for its own sake is actually, let's be clear
Speaker 1: about it, a ticket to a low trust society, one
Speaker 1: where social cohesion drops. Just look at the latest scandal
Speaker 1: report and where individual participation in the community falls as
Speaker 1: everyone retreats to be with their own kind. Now, that's
Speaker 1: not the Australia I came here for, and I'm not
Speaker 1: and I am sure it is not the Australia you
Speaker 1: want to live in. So how about we do something
Speaker 1: about it? People altogether? Well, all right, there's so much
Speaker 1: talking about tonight and I'm thrilled to be able to
Speaker 1: get straight into it with my panel. Both here in
Speaker 1: the man came Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrandt, also read
Speaker 1: his stuff in the Daily Telegraph, the country all over
Speaker 1: the country, all over the country and a Donni Media's
Speaker 1: Lisa Godthard. Now, both of you, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining me tonight. We have got to talk. I'm
Speaker 1: sorry about this. The nurses, the New South Wales police
Speaker 1: are getting involved and gathering evidence of this latest display
Speaker 1: of vitriol by these two now former nurses. Now they
Speaker 1: are lawyering up apparently after the video surfaced online. They
Speaker 1: are bragging about where they are seen, bragging about how
Speaker 1: they would rather kill than tree. It is really pacious
Speaker 1: and apparently the full unedited video is going to wind
Speaker 1: up in the hands of detectives. But Joe, I'll start
Speaker 1: with you here. This feels to me like this is
Speaker 1: what happens when we let ethnic sectarianism build in the
Speaker 1: community and we don't, you know, focus on what brings
Speaker 1: us together.
Speaker 5: I think we're actually looking at a very specific example
Speaker 5: of one particular ethnic sectarianism and extrapolating that to all
Speaker 5: the multiculturalism. And I think that actually that's not fair
Speaker 5: on the rest of Australia. I think the vast majority
Speaker 5: of migrants have been very, very capable of walking and
Speaker 5: chewing gum at the same time. They love Australia. They
Speaker 5: love Australia. Day they voted against the Voice overwhelming. She
Speaker 5: should be happy about it was all the white ones
Speaker 5: who have been here forever and rich in the city
Speaker 5: leaky sub actually voted for the Voice. So these guys
Speaker 5: really do love Australia and they and they do want
Speaker 5: to be here. There is a very particular group of people,
Speaker 5: and it's not just Muslims or Islamists. It is also
Speaker 5: know noodle armed snot nosed upper middle class socialists who
Speaker 5: adorn our universities and holds it in there, who have
Speaker 5: legitimized the hatred of Israel and therefore the hatred of Israelis.
Speaker 5: And as you can see from the video where quite frankly,
Speaker 5: the words are used interchangeably. For example, when they're used
Speaker 5: on the video and what the man in the street says,
Speaker 5: he supports Israelis and Jews are simply used interchangeably as
Speaker 5: people who are worthy of being killed because of what
Speaker 5: the Israeli government is doing on the other side of
Speaker 5: the world. So the problem is that you have one
Speaker 5: set of people, and again it's not all. The head
Speaker 5: of the Lebanese Muslims Association, Jamal Reefi, former Australian Australian
Speaker 5: of the Year, absolute superstar. He is clamped down on
Speaker 5: this extremists just like you did when Isis was rising up.
Speaker 5: He has no truck with it whatsoever. But you do have,
Speaker 5: i think sections of the community which have been told
Speaker 5: that all Israelis are murderous, genocidal, barbarous, you know, non
Speaker 5: humans who need to be slaughtered in retaliation for the
Speaker 5: murder of children. They've been told that by their communities,
Speaker 5: They've been told that by their families. That has been ratified,
Speaker 5: if you like, and given political justification by the upper
Speaker 5: middle class activist Left, the Greens and people like that,
Speaker 5: and so they actually see within this bubble I think
Speaker 5: you called it a silo, whatever it was, this is
Speaker 5: a completely unremarkable view. And so what happens when these
Speaker 5: two kids, young people are on a late shift with
Speaker 5: not enough to do at Bankstown Hospital. They say this
Speaker 5: stuff as though it's completely fine, even as a joke,
Speaker 5: and they say this as though, of course it's okay
Speaker 5: to kill Israelis, even though there are no Israelis in
Speaker 5: banks Down because guess what they're in Israel.
Speaker 1: But of course what they.
Speaker 5: Actually what it's code for is Jews, of who they
Speaker 5: wouldn't be too many in banks Down either, and they
Speaker 5: think it's okay. So the thing that gets me is
Speaker 5: that I think, even if they think this in their
Speaker 5: deepest thoughts, that they think it would be perfectly okay
Speaker 5: to say in a video interview on social media in
Speaker 5: their New South Wales health scrubs, because this is a
Speaker 5: view that has been so ratified to them and been
Speaker 5: given so a figure ief of legitimacy by the activist
Speaker 5: left as well as by their communities. And you have
Speaker 5: basically ended up justifying anti Semitism, justifying murder in the
Speaker 5: name of activism.
Speaker 1: Well, you know you talked about that, actors, But Lisa,
Speaker 1: people have been warning for years and years and years,
Speaker 1: long before our cover safe with and long before the
Speaker 1: albanize A government came to power that this equation of
Speaker 1: Zionism with war crimes and all sorts of things and
Speaker 1: the BDS movement and all of these other sort of
Speaker 1: boycott Israel. Israel's a genocidal state that has been percolating
Speaker 1: on the left for an awful long time. And it
Speaker 1: feels to me like the government, you know, tacitly encouraged
Speaker 1: us for a while and didn't you know, understand that
Speaker 1: they were playing with real fire with this, and you know,
Speaker 1: hence we see this, Hence we see a million others
Speaker 1: horrible things almost every morning, it seems like sometimes when
Speaker 1: you wake up a look at the paper.
Speaker 2: So what jarred with me with this is you can't
Speaker 2: tell me that in that hospital that these opinions weren't
Speaker 2: being said, and that other people in that hospital weren't
Speaker 2: aware of what their thoughts were, and the fact that
Speaker 2: you've got them in those roles. And even a whistleblower
Speaker 2: who did come forward, she was the one that was disciplined.
Speaker 2: That's the problem. And when you come back to the
Speaker 2: grassroots of this, that's where you've got an issue that
Speaker 2: people know this is happening, and you've got people turning
Speaker 2: a blind eye, so it's allowed to continue. So that
Speaker 2: silo or that bubble exists, that's.
Speaker 5: Right, and the views are legitimized. And because of course,
Speaker 5: if you accuse someone of being genocide and perpetrating genocide,
Speaker 5: well of course that makes them a rule target. And
Speaker 5: so again I think there are sections of the Muslim community,
Speaker 5: but the minority by no means of uss majority, but
Speaker 5: also sections of the activist left who both basically have
Speaker 5: blood on their hands or.
Speaker 1: And like, let's just take it beyond that though. You know,
Speaker 1: we are in a position right now where we have
Speaker 1: got a huge migration right into this country. Neither side
Speaker 1: seems to be able to really talk about it or
Speaker 1: do anything about it, you know, and we've got a
Speaker 1: large proportion of people who've been born overseas. They are
Speaker 1: often living, you know, very in communities where they are
Speaker 1: all coming from the same country, in different suburbs and
Speaker 1: so on. Whatever that is, you know, perfectly fine, wonderful people,
Speaker 1: but are we doing enough Joe to teach these people
Speaker 1: or bring them into or make them feel like they
Speaker 1: are part of you know, Team Australia, as we say,
Speaker 1: and not just coming in and say, well, you know,
Speaker 1: we're here in Australia because there's a economic opportunity and
Speaker 1: that's it.
Speaker 5: Now. I think people are voting for their fate and
Speaker 5: the reason they come here is because they say, what
Speaker 5: we have in Australia and they want a part of it.
Speaker 5: And again, if you look at pretty much every single
Speaker 5: section of the community, they have all integrated incredibly well
Speaker 5: while at the same time bringing great sort of cultural riches,
Speaker 5: be it food, you know, Chinese New Year, which goes
Speaker 5: on forever, you know, whatever it may be, None of
Speaker 5: that impacts anyone else's life and it adds, you know,
Speaker 5: it adds depth and fun and color to Australian life.
Speaker 5: So the first big non European intake we had in
Speaker 5: Australia was largely the boat people that came in from Vietnam,
Speaker 5: people fleeing the communist insurgents from the north. So these
Speaker 5: were you know, these were shopkeepers, These were small business
Speaker 5: people who had been run out of town by the communists,
Speaker 5: and we took in thousands.
Speaker 1: Upon them the phenomenal comunity.
Speaker 5: Clearly, it's not multiculturalism that's failing. It is these particular attitudes,
Speaker 5: and it is as my and I think they are
Speaker 5: particularly toxic because not only are they held by you know,
Speaker 5: a particular community, who is who's often been raised on propaganda,
Speaker 5: who has people in Ghaza, people in Pasdane who have
Speaker 5: been indoctrinated by Hamas or Fatah or whatever, who are
Speaker 5: telling people on the other side it's horrible what they're doing.
Speaker 5: And yes, Israel has been killing a lot of them.
Speaker 5: Does that make it okay to kill is random Israelis
Speaker 5: or random jew instead of criticizing the Israeli government? Of
Speaker 5: course not. But these people have been indoctrinated. And then
Speaker 5: when they look outside their own communities for whether or
Speaker 5: not this is true or not, they have it again.
Speaker 5: They have it ratified, they have it legitimized by the
Speaker 5: extreme activist left from places like that.
Speaker 2: And that is they've all gone through university. Both of
Speaker 2: these nurses had gone through universities, right, yes, exactly, exactly,
Speaker 2: So then you've got a big problem alone.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, exactly. Hey, I want to go on that,
Speaker 1: because we had so much more news to come here.
Speaker 1: We've also had news here in the last few hours.
Speaker 1: The ADF has taken the rare step of raising the
Speaker 1: alarm about three Chinese vessels off the Australian coast. There's
Speaker 1: also been Chinese warships spotted operating. But they also revealed
Speaker 1: that there's been yet another close call with between an
Speaker 1: Australian plane and a Chinese plane. Flares. You know, all
Speaker 1: of this is very dangerous stuff. Even if they were
Speaker 1: out in international waters, these sorts of encounters, you know,
Speaker 1: there is the possibility of a real serious accident and
Speaker 1: potentially worse here, Joe, what do you make of this?
Speaker 1: And is Australia My big concern about Australia is that
Speaker 1: we don't take our defense seriously enough. We simply, you know,
Speaker 1: we buy a lot of shiny things, one of each,
Speaker 1: big shiny things, but we don't really have a culture
Speaker 1: that's in a real sort of war fighting pasture when
Speaker 1: we're in a position where we may need to actually
Speaker 1: do that sort of.
Speaker 5: Long got one little boat, one little submarine sort of
Speaker 5: chugging around the coast down. Yeah, yeah, Now, I think
Speaker 5: the problem has been it's been not necessarily a lack
Speaker 5: of will, but a lack of sort of long term
Speaker 5: decision making. So we're constantly changing our minds about what
Speaker 5: the defense capability we need is. It changes with every government,
Speaker 5: it even changes within government. So we had Tony Abbott
Speaker 5: saying we're going to get Japanese submarines. Then we had
Speaker 5: mouth and term I'll saying no, we're going to get
Speaker 5: French submarines. And we had Scott Morris and saying no,
Speaker 5: we're going to go with orcast, which I think is
Speaker 5: the right thing to do. But God, it's taken a
Speaker 5: long time to get there, and meantime we've got this
Speaker 5: massive lag where we're not going to get the first
Speaker 5: things for decades. So our only military strength and security
Speaker 5: actually lies with our agreement with the US, and that
Speaker 5: is why we need to make sure we are lockstep
Speaker 5: with the US.
Speaker 1: Well, Liza, you know, because you know you mentioned all
Speaker 1: these conflicts, but it seems like right now in the world,
Speaker 1: if you look at the world, there's a great lesson
Speaker 1: in how modern warfare is being fought. It's being fought
Speaker 1: in the Red Sea with the WHU this, it's being
Speaker 1: fought in Ukraine and the use of drones and technology.
Speaker 1: There are we preparing basically to fight the last war
Speaker 1: two wars ago or have we got some sense of,
Speaker 1: you know, where we actually need to be in terms
Speaker 1: of what our fighting force looks like to respond to
Speaker 1: the way how war is going to be fought in
Speaker 1: the future.
Speaker 2: You talk about the capacity that we have in terms
Speaker 2: of the weapons that we have and the artillery that
Speaker 2: we have. What about the boots on the ground. They
Speaker 2: can't actually recruit enough people into the military alone to
Speaker 2: actually been sure we've got the people there to fight
Speaker 2: for us when we need it. So you've got this
Speaker 2: threat coming in from You've got what's happening in the
Speaker 2: world as far as different conflicts underway, and yet here
Speaker 2: we are focused on making sure that the military has
Speaker 2: enough you know DEI in it, and not enough men
Speaker 2: and women on the ground.
Speaker 1: To actually do the fighting on the ground.
Speaker 5: The People's Liberation armyology and the money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, boots on the ground, not high heels on the ground. Absolutely. Now,
Speaker 1: the Prime Minister, we got to we want here get
Speaker 1: so much time the Prime Minister has we want to
Speaker 1: talk about this issue with the tariffs and Anthony Albinizi
Speaker 1: Joel want to ask you about this especially. We've spoken
Speaker 1: about this before, thought that the phone call might work
Speaker 1: to get him the extension exemption from the steel and
Speaker 1: aluminium tariffs, but we now know that is not the case.
Speaker 1: The coalition has called on Alban Easy to go over
Speaker 1: to Washington to deal with Trump face to face. Now,
Speaker 1: aside from the irony of telling Airbus Albow to get
Speaker 1: on a plane, because he's pretty happy to do that,
Speaker 1: let's be honest about that. He likes that sort of thing.
Speaker 1: Do you think that will work or you know, could
Speaker 1: there be something else in the offering that we could
Speaker 1: offer the Americans?
Speaker 5: Well, I think someone suggested that of julianman grant to
Speaker 5: Elon Musk, and maybe that might square the I think
Speaker 5: failing in any form of human sacrifice. I think the
Speaker 5: I think it is still under consideration. Trump actually overegged
Speaker 5: what was agreed to by the two men. They both
Speaker 5: agreed to say it was under consideration. Trump said it
Speaker 5: was under great consideration. He said Albow was a very
Speaker 5: fine man. That obviously bodes extremely well. They don't come
Speaker 5: into effect for another month, and so there is a
Speaker 5: long time before we can actually say that there has
Speaker 5: been no progress or that they haven't been that Australia
Speaker 5: hasn't carved out an exemption if I mean, the Prime
Speaker 5: minist isn't going to go and just sort of set
Speaker 5: up a ten t embacy outside the White House. See
Speaker 5: if Trump lets him in, you have to arrange a meeting.
Speaker 5: Even that phone call was arranged a week ago, so
Speaker 5: it was actually arranged before Trump made the tariff announcement,
Speaker 5: and it would have been the The arrangements to set
Speaker 5: the date and the time for the phone call would
Speaker 5: have been implied probably ever since Trump was elected and
Speaker 5: let alone even inaugurated. So they think fat time to
Speaker 5: set up.
Speaker 1: I think, gone fact, sure, sure, sure, yeah that's but
Speaker 1: you've got right, yeah, we've got heaven right. I mean,
Speaker 1: what could go what could go wrong with that? But Lisa,
Speaker 1: you know, one of the things is if you look
Speaker 1: at the Trump overall strategy, it's about to reshore manufacturing
Speaker 1: into the United States. And this is where the world
Speaker 1: is going now. Everybody's going to have to start making
Speaker 1: more of their own stuff. That's just simply the way
Speaker 1: things go as globalism breaks up. We though have about
Speaker 1: five percent of our economy now too its manufacturing. It's
Speaker 1: one of the lowest, if not the lowest in the
Speaker 1: OE c D. I think it's almost in inverse proportion
Speaker 1: to our alcohol taxes. Have we really left ourselves exposed
Speaker 1: here by running down our industry and running up our
Speaker 1: energy prices.
Speaker 2: Running energy process of what we're doing is not providing
Speaker 2: so manufacturing. You speak of manufacturing forty two percent, I
Speaker 2: think it is of manufacturing relies on gas, right, so
Speaker 2: we don't have the gas supplies that are being brought
Speaker 2: out of the ground in this country to meet that demand.
Speaker 2: And what you've got with Trump is saying, well, we
Speaker 2: need to make America competitive again. The Business Council Australia
Speaker 2: has just come out and said that's exactly what we
Speaker 2: need Australia to do. So that's where the pressure is
Speaker 2: going to come heading into this federal election, because you've
Speaker 2: got the leaders in this country in the business world
Speaker 2: finally standing up and saying, look, we need you to
Speaker 2: make it the regulatory restrictions around this lifted. We need
Speaker 2: better tax breaks, we need to make it easier in
Speaker 2: this country to run a business and actually contribute to
Speaker 2: the economy so we don't see everything going off shore.
Speaker 1: Here here the red tape in this country. Whenever I
Speaker 1: talk to people in business, and whether it's you know,
Speaker 1: big business or the panel beater down the road, you know,
Speaker 1: it just says everything is simply too hard. And whenever
Speaker 1: I go to America, you know, it just feels like
Speaker 1: people are so excited about the prospect of arning businesses,
Speaker 1: making money, getting in on it. And the optimism and
Speaker 1: the energy in America right now under Donald Trump. Having
Speaker 1: been there just after the election and again in December
Speaker 1: is just off the charts. But staying on America, I
Speaker 1: love this story because we have had all of the
Speaker 1: talk about declassification and finding out what's in all of
Speaker 1: those files, and for people like me who love to
Speaker 1: go down rabbit holes, not that I'm a conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: but who love to go down rabbit holes on these things.
Speaker 1: There is now a Congressional task Force being headed up
Speaker 1: by Florida Representative Anna Paulina Luna, and it is tasked
Speaker 1: with spilling the tea on the assassinations of figures like
Speaker 1: mart Luther King, Robert F. Kennedy had the Biggie JFK.
Speaker 1: And here's the fascinating thing here, Representative Luna seems to
Speaker 1: think there could have been somebody there on that grass
Speaker 1: sat a well, have look at this.
Speaker 6: The initial hearing that was actually held here in Congress
Speaker 6: was actually faulty in the single balle theory.
Speaker 4: I believe that there were two shooters.
Speaker 1: Boo, this is h this is huge. God, we've got
Speaker 1: something learned congresswoman saying there was a second shooter.
Speaker 5: That's it.
Speaker 1: Joe, what is Joe? What do you think though, is
Speaker 1: going to come out of this? If anything? And why
Speaker 1: are if these things are there's nothing to see here?
Speaker 1: Why has the government been so secret squirrel about it?
Speaker 5: But this is the thing the government is. The government
Speaker 5: is secret squirrel about these things that thinks it needs
Speaker 5: to protect national security and all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 5: And governments are instinctively secretive because that makes everyone think
Speaker 5: the government has something to hide. Usually what the government
Speaker 5: has to hide is its own incompetence. The reason JFK died,
Speaker 5: the reason he was shot, is because there was a loser,
Speaker 5: madman who kept trying to work for communists, trying to
Speaker 5: work for the CIA. Nobody wanted him because he was
Speaker 5: that dopey. Even his partner didn't want him. I think
Speaker 5: he drank any better. So he gets to he's working
Speaker 5: in a book deposit, all his mates go out to lunch.
Speaker 5: He's left the line. He knows exactly where JFK is
Speaker 5: going to be in an open air limousine, in open
Speaker 5: air convertible right with no protection whatsoever. And he knows
Speaker 5: exactly where he's going to be because they printed it
Speaker 5: in the paper before.
Speaker 1: Say hey, Dallas, everyone come out.
Speaker 5: You wanted to get a shot at the I mean,
Speaker 5: I look at the.
Speaker 1: Presence, and so Lisa, second shooter, what do you reckon? No?
Speaker 2: What I love about this? FBI found fourteen thousand pages
Speaker 2: of unearthed documents since that executive order has come out
Speaker 2: from Trump. So you can't tell me that there is
Speaker 2: a lot of interesting information in those fourteen thousand pages.
Speaker 1: There will be some inchiesting information. My mail or my
Speaker 1: call is that something funny happened in Mexico City with
Speaker 1: Oswald and you know it wasn't a conspiracy, but he
Speaker 1: might have been the original. Oh he was on our
Speaker 1: radar guy, which is what they always seemed to say
Speaker 1: after these things. Anyway, thank you so much, Lisa Godar.
Speaker 1: Now don't go anywhere, because I got another second All
Speaker 1: Star panel, so many all stars. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with myself. After the break though, we're gonna
Speaker 1: have a sign of the timespeacause Creative Australia has picked
Speaker 1: an artist to represent us at the Venice Bienale. And
Speaker 1: guess who one of his works depicts. Here's a hint,
Speaker 1: it's a former now exploded leader of Hezbollah. More on
Speaker 1: this absolute madness after the break All right, James Moorrow
Speaker 1: here sitting in for Pol in the man Cave Live
Speaker 1: and we've got tons more fun and tons more news
Speaker 1: to get through tonight. I want to bring in my
Speaker 1: next panel Hobart City Councilor Louise Elliott and from the
Speaker 1: Daily Telegraph, my very good friend national Political Affairs correspondent
Speaker 1: and Geira Barrawanje Louise, thank you so much here, and
Speaker 1: I want to start off with this story here which
Speaker 1: well i'd say it made by blood boil, but in
Speaker 1: fact it just didn't surprise me at all. Turns out
Speaker 1: there's an artist named Khaled Sabsabi and he was selected
Speaker 1: to represent Australia at a global art exhibit exhibit known
Speaker 1: as the Venice Bienali. And if you've ever been to
Speaker 1: Venice for the BIONALI well, h's a lot of this
Speaker 1: sort of thing. But get this. One of this fellow's
Speaker 1: prominent pieces of previous work depicts the leader of the
Speaker 1: terrorist organization, Hezbolov, looking like some sort of saint or
Speaker 1: divine spirit. Almost looks like an icon to me. And
Speaker 1: guess who finds himself at the center of all of it. Well,
Speaker 1: Arts Minister Tony Burke's prize prize, who was apparently who
Speaker 1: knew shocked to Louise about all of the to learn
Speaker 1: about all of this stuff, Angira, let's start with you here.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tony Burke is the Arts Minister. Shouldn't he
Speaker 1: have been a little bit better briefed about who the
Speaker 1: restaurant community was sending to represent at this very important
Speaker 1: global art extravaganza in Venice.
Speaker 4: Look, I think his comment or response that he didn't
Speaker 4: know about it could have been acceptable if Creative Australia
Speaker 4: was not something that had been raced with him before.
Speaker 4: And I say this as someone who's written about this
Speaker 4: agency before. There have been concerns about funding given by
Speaker 4: Creative Australia to artists who have, at times, either through
Speaker 4: their art or on social media or on other public platforms,
Speaker 4: written statements that are anti Semitic or just controversial more
Speaker 4: generally at times anti Australian. And this is something I
Speaker 4: have raced with his office, and you know, he's directed
Speaker 4: it to Creative Australia and they've said, look, we don't
Speaker 4: look at the political views of our artists. We give
Speaker 4: them funding based on their art. So I don't think
Speaker 4: it's fair for Tony Birk to say I had no
Speaker 4: idea about this, because this agency should be on his radar.
Speaker 4: It's something that's been raised with his office before, something
Speaker 4: that's been written about in the media before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, Louise, I don't really buy it either.
Speaker 1: The idea that you know, he hasn't been probably briefed
Speaker 1: about it, that Creative Australia had no idea that this
Speaker 1: could be contentious. Well, you know, either he knew but
Speaker 1: claimed not to know or whatever, or he was simply
Speaker 1: poorly advised. His advisors didn't know. Creative Australia didn't think
Speaker 1: to say anything. Maybe they kept it from him. I
Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, look, I guess we should be
Speaker 1: happy that at least, you know, the art is of
Speaker 1: a recognizable, you know, figure and not just squiggles, you know,
Speaker 1: sounding a complete philistine here. But at the same time, Louise,
Speaker 1: none of this sort of seems good enough, given particularly
Speaker 1: just how sensitive this government really ought to be about
Speaker 1: any perceptions of giving you know, aid and comfort to
Speaker 1: this particular point of view.
Speaker 7: It could also be that everyone in the chain of
Speaker 7: communication knew about it and not one single person had
Speaker 7: the backbone to say anything, because, let's be honest, there
Speaker 7: is a sense of immunity around some topics, some people,
Speaker 7: some groups, some religions. You're not allowed to say anything
Speaker 7: remotely critical. And yes, it is really confronting seeing an
Speaker 7: artwork of the leader of a terrorist organization, especially pictured
Speaker 7: in some sort of you know, enlightened sort of state.
Speaker 7: I mean, of course, art is also meant to be challenging.
Speaker 7: But I actually do think that there could be some
Speaker 7: merit to my suggestion that people knew and no one
Speaker 7: said anything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think I'm with you on that one. There.
Speaker 1: I want to want to another interesting story about Canberra
Speaker 1: and electoral reforums and donations reform. Now there's also sounded
Speaker 1: a little bit inside baseball to people, but it is
Speaker 1: important because they have moved to put caps on donations
Speaker 1: to political parties and at fifty thousand dollars and require
Speaker 1: public disclosure of donations of more than five thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Now you'd think that caps would be a good thing,
Speaker 1: and you think the disclosure would be a good thing,
Speaker 1: but gosh, there was a bit of anger in the
Speaker 1: holes of parliament.
Speaker 2: Have a look, now, why don't you talk this frown people?
Speaker 5: What is going to happen.
Speaker 2: The big money that will be in politics is the
Speaker 2: public money, because.
Speaker 4: Now the public is paying for the money that you
Speaker 4: that you want to still spend during elections, and the
Speaker 4: transparency anticipat in elections will be Union members.
Speaker 1: That that is completely untrue. Bit of action there, and
Speaker 1: Gira explain this to us and why people are so
Speaker 1: annoyed about what I think a lot of people might
Speaker 1: just on the face of things seem like sensible changes.
Speaker 2: I would never be here today had it not been
Speaker 2: for a billion billionaire and his kindness to get me
Speaker 2: where I am.
Speaker 1: And there was a Jackie Lambi there there. But Gira
Speaker 1: talk us through this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're completely right. It it seems like a sensible
Speaker 4: change on the face of it. But the issue is
Speaker 4: that the Independence are saying this is essentially a way
Speaker 4: for the bigger parties to have an upper hand. Now,
Speaker 4: these changes won't impact the upcoming election, which is due
Speaker 4: in May this year, but it will have an impact
Speaker 4: for future elections. And what they're saying is this is
Speaker 4: essentially Anthony Albanezi and Peter Upton safeguarding major parties and
Speaker 4: their future so that people can't just keep voting and
Speaker 4: supporting smaller parties. We did see a third of people
Speaker 4: voted for an independent or minor party at the last election,
Speaker 4: so I think they've realized, you know, the independent movements
Speaker 4: is not something that's just a one off. We probably
Speaker 4: will see it more in future elections, and they want
Speaker 4: to make sure that they're not getting as much funding
Speaker 4: as they were able to previously.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Louise, what's your take on this? Is this, you know,
Speaker 1: a way to protect the system or is this actually
Speaker 1: an anti democratic move against you know, as a Gerra
Speaker 1: says independence, although you know, as we've also seen an
Speaker 1: awful lot of these independence and heals. Well, I think
Speaker 1: that disclosure about the donations that's about showing how some
Speaker 1: of these aren't as independent as you'd think.
Speaker 7: Yes, the tears or like the billionaire babies, they're certainly
Speaker 7: not impressed with this change at all. We all know
Speaker 7: why the current situation isn't ideal in my opinion, and
Speaker 7: I also don't think that the reforms that have just
Speaker 7: passed the Senate are ideal either. I think that we
Speaker 7: do need to absolutely get more everyday people into politics,
Speaker 7: less career politicians, less people who are mates with billionaires.
Speaker 7: I mean, at least Jackie Lamby was honest about it.
Speaker 7: To her credit, I do think that the two major
Speaker 7: parties undoubtedly have and will retain massive advantages. They have
Speaker 7: the branding, and they have often the huge benefit of incumbency.
Speaker 7: So I don't think today's laws or the future laws
Speaker 7: are ideal, but I do think it is It's good
Speaker 7: to see the billionaire funded tials a bit nervous, and
Speaker 7: I do hope that whatever it is, that we do
Speaker 7: see more everyday people inspired to be and enabled to
Speaker 7: be able to stand up for and represent our country.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for that, Louis. Great, great take
Speaker 1: on that there. But let's take a break ourselves here,
Speaker 1: because we've got to talk about Russia Ukraine. There's another
Speaker 1: ceasefire on the cards. Trump and Putin to meet face
Speaker 1: to face for talks about a possible deal between the
Speaker 1: two nations. We're going to break it down and whether
Speaker 1: or not Ukraine's gonna wind up having to give up
Speaker 1: any territory after the break. James Barrow here sitting in
Speaker 1: for Paul Murray in the man Cave on Poulburray Live
Speaker 1: on a Thursday night where they say Thursdays are the
Speaker 1: new Friday. So let's have some fun here. Let's go
Speaker 1: back to our panel here and Gira barrat WAG and
Speaker 1: Louise Elliott from Hobart and Gira, I want to talk
Speaker 1: to you again about another great piece of reporting you've
Speaker 1: done in the Daily Telegraph where we both have the
Speaker 1: honor of working together. Fantom of Payment. It turns out,
Speaker 1: according to your report, will take the guest of honor
Speaker 1: spot at a fundraising event for AH Muslim Votes Matters now.
Speaker 1: Attendees have been assured that it's not only a night
Speaker 1: of fun and trivia, but also an opportunity to support
Speaker 1: Muslim Votes Matter and empower the community. Aghiro, what do
Speaker 1: you make of this headline act here?
Speaker 4: I mean it's interesting to see the senator pop up
Speaker 4: here after she initially said that she didn't have any
Speaker 4: immediate plans of working with Muslim Votes Matter when she
Speaker 4: left Labor back in July last year. She has also
Speaker 4: launched her own party, Australia's Voice, which she says is
Speaker 4: not just here to represent a certain demographic. She wants
Speaker 4: to represent all Australians who've been left behind. But she
Speaker 4: hasn't announced any candidates yet. She hasn't announced too many
Speaker 4: major policies, so to see her pop up for this
Speaker 4: other grassroots movement has been interesting because I think she's
Speaker 4: at risk of pigeonholing herself as basically a candidate for
Speaker 4: Muslim Wotes Matter as opposed to an independent senator with
Speaker 4: her own party.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I think that's a really good point there, and
Speaker 1: she has taken some pretty interesting stances over the past
Speaker 1: number of months too. But we've got to also move
Speaker 1: on and cover this whole question of Donald Trump and
Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin, and I'd love to get both of you
Speaker 1: guys take on this. They're going to have a meeting,
Speaker 1: apparently in Saudi Arabia to try to come to some
Speaker 1: end to the fighting between Russia and Ukraine. Russia, of course,
Speaker 1: invaded Ukraine a couple of years ago, and the fighting
Speaker 1: has just been a Charnal House for both nations ever since,
Speaker 1: but critics Louise have said that Trump has already given
Speaker 1: away the game by saying that Ukraine will have to
Speaker 1: give up some territory. What do you think is it
Speaker 1: better here, Louise, to give up a bit of territory
Speaker 1: and end the fighting or does this wind up being
Speaker 1: a Neville Chamberlain appeasement thing all over again.
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, this is an immense program compared
Speaker 7: to the non existent action we had under the Biden administration.
Speaker 7: So I'm really relieved to actually see some movement. Some
Speaker 7: discussions had myself and millions and millions of other people
Speaker 7: would be really sad. And if it came to the
Speaker 7: fact that Ukraine actually did lose territory, no one wants
Speaker 7: that to happen. Well, no one in Australia, that's for sure.
Speaker 7: But I do think that this is progress. It's great
Speaker 7: to see Donald Trump talking to both of the leaders
Speaker 7: and having constructive conversations, And like I said, I hope
Speaker 7: that Ukraine can absolutely retain We get back it's any
Speaker 7: land that it has lost, and most of all, everyone
Speaker 7: wants to see an then to the loss of innocent
Speaker 7: lives and the devastation and heartbreak that is left on
Speaker 7: the families involved.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Giral, what's the mood in Canberra about all of this?
Speaker 1: These developments here? I mean, obviously the Albanizer government has
Speaker 1: been at least verbally very supportive of Ukraine, although some
Speaker 1: people have said that their support has gone far enough
Speaker 1: in a material sense. Have you heard any chatter about
Speaker 1: this and more generally, how is the government coping with
Speaker 1: the change of change show in Washington.
Speaker 4: Look, it's been interesting because with Donald Trump, there's been
Speaker 4: new developments every day, something for the government to be
Speaker 4: asked about, something for them to comment on. Now, Anthony Albanize,
Speaker 4: he has repeatedly said that he doesn't want to provide
Speaker 4: a running commentary on Donald Trump's second presidency. But with
Speaker 4: some of these really big issues involving our allies, involving
Speaker 4: countries that we've supported, it is ultimately going to mean
Speaker 4: that we're going to have to start to weigh in.
Speaker 4: I did have someone mentioned to me today that it's
Speaker 4: been interesting that the Foreign Minister, Penny Wong has been
Speaker 4: quite restrained in weighing into some of these international affairs.
Speaker 4: She hasn't done a lot of interviews. It's really only
Speaker 4: what's been coming up in question Time, and in some
Speaker 4: ways it's probably understandable. I mean, things are changing very rapidly,
Speaker 4: but I think the mood here is to try and
Speaker 4: just wait out some of these updates from Donald Trumpet
Speaker 4: before Australia has to weigh in. I did also spot
Speaker 4: the Ukraine's ambassador to Australia here in Parliament House today,
Speaker 4: so I'm sure there are some conversations taking place behind
Speaker 4: post doors as well, but I think we might have
Speaker 4: to wait a little bit before we get any more
Speaker 4: updates from the government.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you're right here very quickly. I just
Speaker 1: want to cover this off here because tomorrow's Valentine's Day,
Speaker 1: but it's no longer apparently Valentine's Day, because I got
Speaker 1: changed to Gallentine's Day with ladies celebrating their friendships. But
Speaker 1: now apparently it's become Palantine's Day, a rebranding just aimed
Speaker 1: at making sure no one feels excluded. Louise, have we
Speaker 1: gone too far making every single thing totally inclusive? Is
Speaker 1: Valentine's Day just too offensive to the Singletons?
Speaker 7: We went too far five years ago. The line is
Speaker 7: well and truly been crossed. Let's get back to reality, all.
Speaker 1: Right, thank you, thanks so much, Louise and Gerre. We're
Speaker 1: gonna have to leave it there. I hope everybody out
Speaker 1: there has a great Valentine's Day. Gallentine's Day, Valentine's Day.
Speaker 1: You watch me tomorrow night on the US Report. And
Speaker 1: Palmray is back on Sunday.