WEBVTT - Paul Murray Live | 13 February 0:00:00.040 --> 0:00:07.240 On the Sky News Center. This is Paul Murray Live. Well, 0:00:07.280 --> 0:00:10.280 good evening. James Barrow here filling in for Paul Murray 0:00:10.320 --> 0:00:13.080 from the Man Cave. Coming up tonight, We've got an 0:00:13.119 --> 0:00:17.360 absolutely massive show. Well, there was an artist, it turns out, 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:21.720 who was handpicked to represent Australia on the world stage. 0:00:22.360 --> 0:00:25.000 Just the only thing is some of his former works 0:00:25.040 --> 0:00:29.200 include a depiction of a dead terrorist leader. Hey why 0:00:29.240 --> 0:00:34.120 not all under Tony Brooks nose of course, plus Boulder 0:00:34.200 --> 0:00:37.400 By the minute, Chinese warships have been spotted off the 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.200 coast of our nation and there's been another close call 0:00:41.280 --> 0:00:44.960 between fighter jets and another ceasefire could be on the 0:00:45.000 --> 0:00:48.600 cards with talks, said Trump and Putin, we'll meet to 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:54.080 discuss a deal to end the war in Ukraine. Anyway, 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:57.520 it is great to be with you here tonight. Only 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.920 I wish that I had happier news to talk with 0:01:01.000 --> 0:01:04.880 you about the fallout from those two New South Wales 0:01:04.920 --> 0:01:07.640 health nurses who were having a bit of you know, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:13.119 cheeky internet banter suggesting, we hope jokingly that they would 0:01:13.360 --> 0:01:18.200 kill Israeli patience. News of this well, it spread nationwide, 0:01:18.480 --> 0:01:24.199 even internationally, and it also featured heavily in today's debates 0:01:24.200 --> 0:01:29.479 in Parliament. But first, just to refresh everyone's memory, let's 0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:32.560 go back and have one more look at what nurses 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:39.319 Ahmed Rashad Nadir and Sarah Abu Lebden said online, apparently 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:43.320 while they were on shift, words that were so shocking 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:49.120 that everyone was completely shocked. Let's say an Israeli. 0:01:50.240 --> 0:01:52.520 God batak them out. 0:01:52.480 --> 0:01:54.000 To them, you kill them. 0:01:54.080 --> 0:01:57.400 So if an Israeli is in Australia and God forbid 0:01:57.480 --> 0:02:00.000 something happened to him and he comes to your hospital, 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:01.760 would you kill him? 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.880 Okay, you have no idea how many Israeli A dog 0:02:05.960 --> 0:02:14.200 came to this hospital and. 0:02:12.840 --> 0:02:16.800 A charming stuff. There you go. They would kill Israeli patients, 0:02:17.080 --> 0:02:21.000 send them to a Jahannam, which is apparently Islam's version 0:02:21.040 --> 0:02:25.880 of hell. You name it. Obviously horrific stuff even to 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.600 joke about. Now the nurses have of course gone to ground, 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.680 claimed it was all of being misunderstanding the usual stuff. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:38.200 But who's buying it not me? And the cops are, 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:42.360 according to the headlines quote, negotiating with the pair over 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:46.320 them doing a full interview. Now they've been stood down 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.200 by the authorities, saying that they will never work in 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.920 the New South Wales Health system. Again good And in 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.079 the latest development, just a few hours ago, the Australian 0:02:56.160 --> 0:03:01.880 Practitioner Regulation Agency has updated their register to reflect this. 0:03:02.120 --> 0:03:06.040 They have been struck off the rolls. And you know, 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:09.320 as I talk about this, I can already hear a 0:03:09.360 --> 0:03:12.920 few of the keyboard worriors out there limbering up saying, 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:17.560 Ohmorrow tomorrow. Isn't this cancel culture? I thought you were 0:03:17.600 --> 0:03:22.960 against that. Don't you believe in free speech? Well, yeah, 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:26.640 of course I do, which is why it is so 0:03:26.800 --> 0:03:31.800 important to understand just why this speech here was not 0:03:32.000 --> 0:03:35.640 the sort of thing that anyone should deem as protected 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:39.280 like other sorts of offensive comments. I mean, first of all, 0:03:39.920 --> 0:03:42.640 this video took place. It was filmed and made in 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:47.480 the workplace, presumably when the pair should have been looking 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:52.120 after patients Israeli or otherwise. Though let's be frank, I 0:03:52.160 --> 0:03:55.160 think you'd be hard pressed to find too many Sabras 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.200 hanging out in Bankstown these days. Now, the pair were 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:04.000 also representing their employer, the taxpayer, New South Wales Health 0:04:04.560 --> 0:04:10.160 via their uniforms, and what they said, well, again, that 0:04:10.320 --> 0:04:14.400 wasn't a mere opinion. It could be constituted as a 0:04:14.440 --> 0:04:18.120 threat that, if taken seriously, would have meant they were 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.919 happy and willing to put lives at risk. Now, you 0:04:22.960 --> 0:04:25.360 know how there are signs at the airport that say, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:29.160 don't make jokes about bombs at security or you are 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.520 going to have a pretty awful rest of the day. Well, 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.239 it's the same principle here. This is a hospital where 0:04:37.360 --> 0:04:42.240 lives and not just feelings are at stake, and where 0:04:42.279 --> 0:04:49.280 the entire system relies on the fundamental foundational understanding that 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:53.040 everyone who walks through or is wheeled in through those 0:04:53.120 --> 0:04:57.520 doors is going to get the same first class treatment 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:02.320 as anybody else. No wonder. Today there was a rally 0:05:02.360 --> 0:05:06.000 of nurses and midwives outside New South Wales Parliament House, 0:05:06.640 --> 0:05:11.159 with many of the participants in tears, yes, tears, understandably 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:16.960 over the thought that their profession they're calling their vocation 0:05:17.680 --> 0:05:21.840 had been called into question, its integrity called into questions. 0:05:21.880 --> 0:05:24.960 And they carried signs that said things like no hate 0:05:25.000 --> 0:05:30.200 in healthcare to reassure the public that their profession hasn't 0:05:30.200 --> 0:05:35.760 been infiltrated by jihadists and anti semits. Now, these are hospitals, 0:05:35.880 --> 0:05:39.600 after all, not university humanities faculties. So you know, I 0:05:39.640 --> 0:05:42.720 think we're safe. There are those still at least some 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.599 standards there. But look, there is also in a sense 0:05:47.040 --> 0:05:49.520 a sense which there is perhaps a bit of good 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:53.480 I think that might come out of this whole discussion. Yes, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:57.719 that's right now. I don't say this with any particular joy, 0:05:58.440 --> 0:06:02.520 but the shock brazenness of this video has I think 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:08.280 lifted a lot of the taboos around talking about multiculturalism 0:06:08.920 --> 0:06:12.520 and how Australia, which is yes, a nation of migrants, 0:06:12.720 --> 0:06:16.160 I'm one a nation of settlers and of Aboriginals who 0:06:16.200 --> 0:06:20.520 were here before anybody else, has gone off the rails. 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:24.440 Now we saw another example of that today when Sky 0:06:24.560 --> 0:06:27.880 News went out to Bankstown, where the hospital in question 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:32.679 is located in Sydney's western suburbs, and well they spoke 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:33.200 to this man. 0:06:33.279 --> 0:06:36.640 Have a look, they have a free right to say 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:37.160 whatever they want. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.159 You know, is it wrong to say that? 0:06:40.600 --> 0:06:43.120 Yes, in any way possible. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.320 You stand with the fact that someone has threatened to 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:48.159 kill and not treat a Jewish patient. 0:06:48.480 --> 0:06:50.279 And what about all the kids that Jews have killed, 0:06:50.640 --> 0:06:54.720 Israel's killing kids in Palestini and people here obviously all 0:06:54.760 --> 0:06:55.360 around the world. 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:57.159 Look what they did and live. 0:06:57.040 --> 0:06:57.560 On them as well. 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:04.480 Catch you just feel the vibrancy. I'm enriched already. Now 0:07:04.680 --> 0:07:07.240 our reporter is, to be fair, found plenty of people 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.520 out there who disagreed with those sentiments. But this is, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.160 you'd have to say, an attitude that is all too prevalent. 0:07:14.640 --> 0:07:17.120 And I'll tell you something else. My own sources in 0:07:17.120 --> 0:07:20.320 the medical profession have told me that the pair we've 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:23.920 been talking about are not an outlier at least an attitude, 0:07:23.920 --> 0:07:27.200 if not an actual action in some parts of the 0:07:27.240 --> 0:07:31.160 Sydney and New South Wales health system. What a mess 0:07:31.240 --> 0:07:35.760 we have gotten ourselves into. But here's the thing. People 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:37.760 like me and probably a lot of you out there 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:43.800 have been warning about the failings of multiculturalism for years now, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:47.960 and it is worthwhile to break down just how this 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.920 has all gone so wrong. And number one, I think 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.920 it starts with a series of small l liberal delusions, 0:07:57.280 --> 0:08:02.000 delusions like all cultures are equal, and not only that 0:08:02.040 --> 0:08:05.920 they are compatible, and that there is some magical process, 0:08:06.000 --> 0:08:10.600 a transubstantiation, if you will, that turns people from very 0:08:10.640 --> 0:08:14.880 different cultures with very alien attitudes about religion and children 0:08:14.920 --> 0:08:18.840 and family and work and everything else into people who 0:08:18.920 --> 0:08:24.440 share our nations common values and beliefs. Thus, for example, 0:08:25.000 --> 0:08:27.760 some people who come from a place that treat women 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.040 as property suddenly land in Australia, get a house in 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.240 the Burbs, and magically accept all of a sudden that 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.920 women should be able to work and date and marry 0:08:38.960 --> 0:08:41.000 who they wish, even if that person is a member 0:08:41.000 --> 0:08:45.280 of a different religion or no religion at all. And likewise, 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:50.320 some people who think Jews are evil and demonic will 0:08:50.720 --> 0:08:53.960 at some point on the way to Australia suddenly being 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.120 seen the light and understand that Jews are in fact 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:02.280 valued members of the Australian communit who have been contributing 0:09:02.600 --> 0:09:07.520 to Australian society at the highest levels virtually since our 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:13.040 modern nation was founded. So as a result of this, well, 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.480 these delusions have led us to make all sorts of 0:09:15.480 --> 0:09:20.040 poor policy choices and led to this situation now where 0:09:20.040 --> 0:09:25.360 we have ethnicity based identity politics. These delusions, this magical 0:09:25.400 --> 0:09:31.320 thinking about multiculturalism, of course, began under Guff Whitlam, though multiculturalism, 0:09:31.320 --> 0:09:36.040 it should be said, wasn't part of his original plan. Instead, 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.800 official multiculturalism was foisted on the nation by activists and 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:45.640 Whitlam's Immigration minister Al Graspy, which has meant that since 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:51.920 the seventies, Australian's official policy has been to encourage migrants 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:57.360 not so much to become Australians as instead to hold 0:09:57.400 --> 0:10:00.360 on to their identity that they've brought over from the 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:04.320 Old Country with whatever attitudes it happened to go with it. 0:10:05.120 --> 0:10:08.360 How's that working out for us now? Back then, the 0:10:08.400 --> 0:10:12.400 government did things like create the SBS network, Sex and 0:10:12.440 --> 0:10:14.320 Bloody Soccer as it was known in the days, to 0:10:14.400 --> 0:10:19.400 keep migrants connected to their homelands, their home countries. In 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.920 the process. Of course, this also kept them from diving 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:28.120 head first into the project of becoming Australians, as occurred 0:10:28.120 --> 0:10:32.240 with previous generations, particularly those who came over here after 0:10:32.320 --> 0:10:36.559 World War II. Now today, of course, they don't need SBS. 0:10:36.960 --> 0:10:39.480 They just need the Internet and they can remain living 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:43.920 mentally in the Old Country even if physically they live here. 0:10:45.160 --> 0:10:48.520 Former Prime Minister John Howard recently had to sit down 0:10:48.559 --> 0:10:52.040 with his former deputy John Anderson and talked about how 0:10:52.160 --> 0:10:55.280 that earlier generation of migrants, the post World War II 0:10:55.440 --> 0:10:59.400 migrants pre SBS, pre guff Whitland, pre al Gaspi, all 0:10:59.440 --> 0:11:03.200 of that well, how they approached migration, and he told 0:11:03.240 --> 0:11:04.199 this story. 0:11:05.280 --> 0:11:07.920 Time and time again as I moved around the country 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.760 as Prime Minister. I can remember I'd go to a 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:17.160 country here and go to me in ban dance and Lady, 0:11:18.360 --> 0:11:21.840 I came from Croatia and this is the greatest country 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:24.800 in the world, and I came here because I liked 0:11:25.559 --> 0:11:29.400 what you were. She didn't come to Australia to make 0:11:29.480 --> 0:11:35.160 us like she was. She wanted to become like we were. 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.840 But as we know, things changed after that generation mister 0:11:40.880 --> 0:11:44.880 Howard was referring to, particularly when it came to importing 0:11:44.920 --> 0:11:48.840 people from the Middle East from a very alien culture, 0:11:49.320 --> 0:11:52.520 with all the tribal and religious grievances that can go 0:11:52.640 --> 0:11:56.640 along with that. Now Labor's Paul Keating, for example, lobby 0:11:56.679 --> 0:12:00.600 to stop the controversial shak kalally from being deported to 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:05.559 play to ethnic votes that resulted from this cultural tribalism 0:12:05.559 --> 0:12:09.760 that we developed the Liberals, although I use that word loosely. 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:14.480 Malcolm Fraser well he was warned by Immigration Department officials 0:12:14.520 --> 0:12:18.319 that his government was accepting too many Lebanese Muslim refugees 0:12:18.320 --> 0:12:22.800 from the Lebanese Civil War without quote the required qualities. 0:12:22.840 --> 0:12:28.000 According to the Department, for successful integration, and most recently 0:12:28.200 --> 0:12:32.439 we have seen Labor under Anthony Albanizi presiding over the 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:37.760 worst outbreak of hatred an anti semitism in Australian history. Truly, 0:12:37.880 --> 0:12:42.320 that began just after the October seventh atrocities. I mean, 0:12:43.280 --> 0:12:47.920 who could forget this moment from Western Sydney as news 0:12:47.960 --> 0:12:52.080 of Hamas's rapes and massacres ricochet around the world. 0:12:53.160 --> 0:12:58.160 I'm smighty, I'm smiling and unhappy. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:00.720 I'm the night. 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:16.960 It's a die of courage fall. 0:13:19.520 --> 0:13:21.600 It seems like we're gating a lot more than vibrant 0:13:21.600 --> 0:13:25.959 Cuisines with our multiculturalism. Hey but remember, as Labor always says, 0:13:26.600 --> 0:13:31.520 it's always anti Semitism and Islamophobia. That's the problem which 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:35.760 brings us to the other part of the delusions behind 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:40.479 our multicultural policy, and that is the failure to actively 0:13:40.600 --> 0:13:45.160 turn new migrants from anywhere into Australians. And that has 0:13:45.280 --> 0:13:48.439 been that failure to do so has been and remains 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:53.120 a grave error. You see, since whatever faery dust they 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:56.400 supposedly sprinkle on people when they land in Australia to stay, 0:13:56.840 --> 0:13:58.560 I mean, I remember what I got it, I called 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:02.800 for weeks, Well, where's that that stuff doesn't work. Effort 0:14:02.920 --> 0:14:06.600 needs to be made by Australia, by the Australian government 0:14:06.640 --> 0:14:11.080 and the Australian people to help knit people into our 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:17.559 collective Australian family. Yet the Albanese government has failed at 0:14:17.600 --> 0:14:20.920 every turn to do so. To be fair, previous governments 0:14:20.920 --> 0:14:24.800 have as well. It's mouth the right words about hate 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.680 having no place during the current crisis, but because it 0:14:28.760 --> 0:14:32.120 is so wedded to votes and heavily Muslim outer suburban 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:35.520 Sydney seats and in Sydney and Melbourne, that it plays 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.360 into these old country obsessions. Therefore you have Penny Wongs 0:14:39.400 --> 0:14:44.640 continued railing against Israel at the UN and elsewhere. But 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:48.080 more than that, all Australians have been let down by 0:14:48.160 --> 0:14:52.640 governments again of both stripes, to really argue for what 0:14:52.880 --> 0:15:00.520 is necessary, not a multi cultural Australia, but a multi racial, 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:06.520 multi ethnic, multi confessional Australia where we may come from 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:10.520 wherever and have whatever skin color, and have whatever religious beliefs, 0:15:10.560 --> 0:15:16.560 but our first loyalty is to Australia and a firmly 0:15:17.040 --> 0:15:21.480 articulated set of values. What, after all, our new migrants 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.920 to think when they see the government undermining the very 0:15:25.040 --> 0:15:30.440 legitimacy of the modern nation that they came to when 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:34.240 they see things like the Voice referendum and the school 0:15:34.240 --> 0:15:38.000 curriculum that runs down our history at every turn, where 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.800 even the kids are told, no, this isn't Australia, this 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.680 is stolen land and if you come here, well you're 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:48.200 in on the thievery. To this end, perhaps I reckon 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:52.800 Peter Dutton ought to pledge, if elected, to eliminate the 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.160 multiculturalism portfolio from his government should he win power, and 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.560 instead replace it with something else not maybe a Minister 0:16:01.640 --> 0:16:04.800 for Social cohesion. I think that's a willy phrase. It 0:16:04.880 --> 0:16:07.560 all too often is used to tell people to shut 0:16:07.680 --> 0:16:10.800 up and not talk about the problem. But maybe a 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:17.040 Minister for integration making sure the entire Australian family, whenever 0:16:17.080 --> 0:16:22.960 you arrived here, is knitted together as one. Because focusing 0:16:23.040 --> 0:16:28.360 on multiculturalism and nostrums like diversity is our strength. Well 0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:32.400 by doing so, we have for decades been walking into 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.080 a trap, a trap that is being sprung on us. Now, 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:40.040 diversity for its own sake is actually, let's be clear 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.960 about it, a ticket to a low trust society, one 0:16:44.000 --> 0:16:48.360 where social cohesion drops. Just look at the latest scandal 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:53.240 report and where individual participation in the community falls as 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:57.880 everyone retreats to be with their own kind. Now, that's 0:16:57.920 --> 0:17:00.160 not the Australia I came here for, and I'm not 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:03.040 and I am sure it is not the Australia you 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:06.320 want to live in. So how about we do something 0:17:06.400 --> 0:17:14.880 about it? People altogether? Well, all right, there's so much 0:17:14.920 --> 0:17:17.359 talking about tonight and I'm thrilled to be able to 0:17:17.359 --> 0:17:20.920 get straight into it with my panel. Both here in 0:17:20.960 --> 0:17:26.040 the man came Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrandt, also read 0:17:26.119 --> 0:17:30.640 his stuff in the Daily Telegraph, the country all over 0:17:30.680 --> 0:17:33.520 the country, all over the country and a Donni Media's 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:36.719 Lisa Godthard. Now, both of you, thank you so much 0:17:36.720 --> 0:17:39.240 for joining me tonight. We have got to talk. I'm 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:44.200 sorry about this. The nurses, the New South Wales police 0:17:44.240 --> 0:17:48.000 are getting involved and gathering evidence of this latest display 0:17:48.080 --> 0:17:52.840 of vitriol by these two now former nurses. Now they 0:17:52.880 --> 0:17:56.280 are lawyering up apparently after the video surfaced online. They 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:58.720 are bragging about where they are seen, bragging about how 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.639 they would rather kill than tree. It is really pacious 0:18:01.920 --> 0:18:05.240 and apparently the full unedited video is going to wind 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:08.679 up in the hands of detectives. But Joe, I'll start 0:18:08.720 --> 0:18:12.919 with you here. This feels to me like this is 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.240 what happens when we let ethnic sectarianism build in the 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:20.400 community and we don't, you know, focus on what brings 0:18:20.480 --> 0:18:20.919 us together. 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:24.160 I think we're actually looking at a very specific example 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:30.800 of one particular ethnic sectarianism and extrapolating that to all 0:18:30.840 --> 0:18:33.440 the multiculturalism. And I think that actually that's not fair 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:36.160 on the rest of Australia. I think the vast majority 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.240 of migrants have been very, very capable of walking and 0:18:39.280 --> 0:18:41.920 chewing gum at the same time. They love Australia. They 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:46.000 love Australia. Day they voted against the Voice overwhelming. She 0:18:46.040 --> 0:18:47.800 should be happy about it was all the white ones 0:18:47.800 --> 0:18:50.480 who have been here forever and rich in the city 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:53.840 leaky sub actually voted for the Voice. So these guys 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.840 really do love Australia and they and they do want 0:18:56.880 --> 0:19:01.160 to be here. There is a very particular group of people, 0:19:01.240 --> 0:19:06.320 and it's not just Muslims or Islamists. It is also 0:19:06.640 --> 0:19:10.840 know noodle armed snot nosed upper middle class socialists who 0:19:10.960 --> 0:19:13.399 adorn our universities and holds it in there, who have 0:19:13.520 --> 0:19:18.320 legitimized the hatred of Israel and therefore the hatred of Israelis. 0:19:18.600 --> 0:19:21.160 And as you can see from the video where quite frankly, 0:19:22.280 --> 0:19:25.680 the words are used interchangeably. For example, when they're used 0:19:25.720 --> 0:19:28.040 on the video and what the man in the street says, 0:19:28.080 --> 0:19:32.440 he supports Israelis and Jews are simply used interchangeably as 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:35.800 people who are worthy of being killed because of what 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:38.720 the Israeli government is doing on the other side of 0:19:38.720 --> 0:19:41.280 the world. So the problem is that you have one 0:19:41.600 --> 0:19:45.120 set of people, and again it's not all. The head 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.680 of the Lebanese Muslims Association, Jamal Reefi, former Australian Australian 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:51.359 of the Year, absolute superstar. He is clamped down on 0:19:51.400 --> 0:19:53.879 this extremists just like you did when Isis was rising up. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.280 He has no truck with it whatsoever. But you do have, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:20:00.000 i think sections of the community which have been told 0:20:00.200 --> 0:20:04.880 that all Israelis are murderous, genocidal, barbarous, you know, non 0:20:05.040 --> 0:20:08.159 humans who need to be slaughtered in retaliation for the 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:11.000 murder of children. They've been told that by their communities, 0:20:11.119 --> 0:20:15.480 They've been told that by their families. That has been ratified, 0:20:15.520 --> 0:20:20.000 if you like, and given political justification by the upper 0:20:20.040 --> 0:20:23.679 middle class activist Left, the Greens and people like that, 0:20:24.000 --> 0:20:26.840 and so they actually see within this bubble I think 0:20:26.880 --> 0:20:29.560 you called it a silo, whatever it was, this is 0:20:29.720 --> 0:20:33.320 a completely unremarkable view. And so what happens when these 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.520 two kids, young people are on a late shift with 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:39.720 not enough to do at Bankstown Hospital. They say this 0:20:39.840 --> 0:20:43.960 stuff as though it's completely fine, even as a joke, 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:46.879 and they say this as though, of course it's okay 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.199 to kill Israelis, even though there are no Israelis in 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.480 banks Down because guess what they're in Israel. 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:52.960 But of course what they. 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:55.240 Actually what it's code for is Jews, of who they 0:20:55.240 --> 0:20:57.040 wouldn't be too many in banks Down either, and they 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.600 think it's okay. So the thing that gets me is 0:20:59.600 --> 0:21:01.800 that I think, even if they think this in their 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:04.600 deepest thoughts, that they think it would be perfectly okay 0:21:05.000 --> 0:21:08.119 to say in a video interview on social media in 0:21:08.200 --> 0:21:11.199 their New South Wales health scrubs, because this is a 0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:14.640 view that has been so ratified to them and been 0:21:14.680 --> 0:21:17.240 given so a figure ief of legitimacy by the activist 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:20.320 left as well as by their communities. And you have 0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:24.960 basically ended up justifying anti Semitism, justifying murder in the 0:21:25.040 --> 0:21:26.000 name of activism. 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.080 Well, you know you talked about that, actors, But Lisa, 0:21:28.520 --> 0:21:30.600 people have been warning for years and years and years, 0:21:30.640 --> 0:21:32.359 long before our cover safe with and long before the 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:35.640 albanize A government came to power that this equation of 0:21:35.760 --> 0:21:39.000 Zionism with war crimes and all sorts of things and 0:21:39.080 --> 0:21:41.560 the BDS movement and all of these other sort of 0:21:41.720 --> 0:21:45.400 boycott Israel. Israel's a genocidal state that has been percolating 0:21:45.960 --> 0:21:48.280 on the left for an awful long time. And it 0:21:48.320 --> 0:21:51.720 feels to me like the government, you know, tacitly encouraged 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:54.440 us for a while and didn't you know, understand that 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:56.719 they were playing with real fire with this, and you know, 0:21:57.119 --> 0:21:59.880 hence we see this, Hence we see a million others 0:22:00.160 --> 0:22:03.040 horrible things almost every morning, it seems like sometimes when 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:04.119 you wake up a look at the paper. 0:22:04.240 --> 0:22:06.240 So what jarred with me with this is you can't 0:22:06.280 --> 0:22:09.399 tell me that in that hospital that these opinions weren't 0:22:09.440 --> 0:22:11.920 being said, and that other people in that hospital weren't 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.639 aware of what their thoughts were, and the fact that 0:22:14.680 --> 0:22:17.960 you've got them in those roles. And even a whistleblower 0:22:18.000 --> 0:22:20.240 who did come forward, she was the one that was disciplined. 0:22:20.560 --> 0:22:22.480 That's the problem. And when you come back to the 0:22:22.520 --> 0:22:24.800 grassroots of this, that's where you've got an issue that 0:22:24.920 --> 0:22:26.760 people know this is happening, and you've got people turning 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.439 a blind eye, so it's allowed to continue. So that 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.320 silo or that bubble exists, that's. 0:22:32.240 --> 0:22:35.120 Right, and the views are legitimized. And because of course, 0:22:35.160 --> 0:22:38.359 if you accuse someone of being genocide and perpetrating genocide, 0:22:38.480 --> 0:22:41.119 well of course that makes them a rule target. And 0:22:41.200 --> 0:22:44.560 so again I think there are sections of the Muslim community, 0:22:44.560 --> 0:22:48.119 but the minority by no means of uss majority, but 0:22:48.280 --> 0:22:52.560 also sections of the activist left who both basically have 0:22:52.960 --> 0:22:54.520 blood on their hands or. 0:22:57.800 --> 0:22:59.919 And like, let's just take it beyond that though. You know, 0:23:00.280 --> 0:23:02.080 we are in a position right now where we have 0:23:02.119 --> 0:23:05.639 got a huge migration right into this country. Neither side 0:23:05.680 --> 0:23:08.280 seems to be able to really talk about it or 0:23:08.280 --> 0:23:10.520 do anything about it, you know, and we've got a 0:23:10.640 --> 0:23:13.520 large proportion of people who've been born overseas. They are 0:23:13.560 --> 0:23:16.720 often living, you know, very in communities where they are 0:23:16.840 --> 0:23:18.760 all coming from the same country, in different suburbs and 0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:21.520 so on. Whatever that is, you know, perfectly fine, wonderful people, 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:26.080 but are we doing enough Joe to teach these people 0:23:26.160 --> 0:23:28.000 or bring them into or make them feel like they 0:23:28.040 --> 0:23:30.680 are part of you know, Team Australia, as we say, 0:23:30.800 --> 0:23:34.439 and not just coming in and say, well, you know, 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.919 we're here in Australia because there's a economic opportunity and 0:23:37.000 --> 0:23:37.400 that's it. 0:23:37.760 --> 0:23:39.199 Now. I think people are voting for their fate and 0:23:39.200 --> 0:23:41.200 the reason they come here is because they say, what 0:23:41.320 --> 0:23:43.159 we have in Australia and they want a part of it. 0:23:43.240 --> 0:23:45.640 And again, if you look at pretty much every single 0:23:45.960 --> 0:23:51.280 section of the community, they have all integrated incredibly well 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:54.639 while at the same time bringing great sort of cultural riches, 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:57.600 be it food, you know, Chinese New Year, which goes 0:23:57.640 --> 0:24:01.199 on forever, you know, whatever it may be, None of 0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.159 that impacts anyone else's life and it adds, you know, 0:24:04.200 --> 0:24:07.480 it adds depth and fun and color to Australian life. 0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.040 So the first big non European intake we had in 0:24:11.080 --> 0:24:14.840 Australia was largely the boat people that came in from Vietnam, 0:24:14.960 --> 0:24:18.920 people fleeing the communist insurgents from the north. So these 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:21.840 were you know, these were shopkeepers, These were small business 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:24.400 people who had been run out of town by the communists, 0:24:24.440 --> 0:24:25.760 and we took in thousands. 0:24:25.480 --> 0:24:29.000 Upon them the phenomenal comunity. 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:33.440 Clearly, it's not multiculturalism that's failing. It is these particular attitudes, 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:37.040 and it is as my and I think they are 0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:41.639 particularly toxic because not only are they held by you know, 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.560 a particular community, who is who's often been raised on propaganda, 0:24:45.560 --> 0:24:48.040 who has people in Ghaza, people in Pasdane who have 0:24:48.119 --> 0:24:51.600 been indoctrinated by Hamas or Fatah or whatever, who are 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:53.600 telling people on the other side it's horrible what they're doing. 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:56.200 And yes, Israel has been killing a lot of them. 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.119 Does that make it okay to kill is random Israelis 0:24:59.320 --> 0:25:02.800 or random jew instead of criticizing the Israeli government? Of 0:25:02.840 --> 0:25:05.080 course not. But these people have been indoctrinated. And then 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:07.960 when they look outside their own communities for whether or 0:25:08.000 --> 0:25:10.600 not this is true or not, they have it again. 0:25:10.760 --> 0:25:13.919