Speaker 1: Get everyone Darci here off the top of the show,
Speaker 1: just to let you know that we did record this
Speaker 1: before the Sean Darcy news on Thursday, February six, if
Speaker 1: you haven't heard that already, Sean Darcy unfortunately having ankle surgery,
Speaker 1: a minor surgery by all reports, but a surgery. Nonetheless,
Speaker 1: Freeman was hoping he's going to be available for the
Speaker 1: early rounds of the season, but he's insignificant doubtful round one.
Speaker 1: Just factor that into the discussion. It's quite ironic looking back,
Speaker 1: so I didn't want to take it out loving Shawne
Speaker 1: Darcy in the way he's been looking this preseason. But
Speaker 1: unfortunately that is a setback that's going to affect some
Speaker 1: of our rankings in particular mind, but it shouldn't affect
Speaker 1: Lefdogs too much, who we are going to be talking
Speaker 1: about on the show today, as he did factor in
Speaker 1: the Big Fellow's injury concerns within his ranking. So anyway, kickback, relax.
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Speaker 1: got Patch and Lefdog back for another episode and we're
Speaker 1: going to be talking all things ruck rankings on this show,
Speaker 1: going through Leftdog's top eighteen ranks. We're going pretty deep
Speaker 1: in the ruck department, Leftdog, but there are some leagues
Speaker 1: out there that like to go deep or dare I
Speaker 1: say go the two rucks like.
Speaker 2: I mean, do it at your own peril.
Speaker 3: That at the flex position will severely impact how early
Speaker 3: or late ruckman get taken in your draft because there
Speaker 3: are just not that many to go around.
Speaker 1: Yes, we have been going through our ranks. We started
Speaker 1: with the midfielders. If you missed that podcast that was
Speaker 1: a longer one. I expect this one to be a
Speaker 1: little bit shorter than that one. But joining us again,
Speaker 1: we have Patch. Welcome aboard Patch.
Speaker 4: Hello, delighted to be here to chat about my favorite position,
Speaker 4: the rucks.
Speaker 1: Well, without any further ado, let's get started. We're going
Speaker 1: to go through picks one to five, to start with
Speaker 1: five to ten and so on. Let's go. Let dogs
Speaker 1: start with your top five rucks for season twenty twenty
Speaker 1: five in Super Coach.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, my.
Speaker 3: Top five rucks this season. It'll already surprise people. Number
Speaker 3: one is Max Gorn in Tier one on his own.
Speaker 3: Number two is Tristan Cherry in Tier two on his own.
Speaker 3: And then rounding out the top five in tier three
Speaker 3: is Tim English, Brodi Grundy, and Tom Conning.
Speaker 1: All right, keen to talk about this. I'm at the
Speaker 1: top tier, even though we might you know, as it
Speaker 1: gets deeper, it's not as exciting a discussion with the rucks.
Speaker 1: But at the top end, these guys are the uber
Speaker 1: Uber premiums. Right at the top end of your draft.
Speaker 1: You might be picking Maxicorn pretty early, even Tristan Cherry.
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about that top two debate.
Speaker 1: Gorn versus Cherry, because Cherry finished the season on fire
Speaker 1: last year, was there any consideration? I mean, I see
Speaker 1: here as you said your tears, You've got Gorn on
Speaker 1: his own. There is an argument that Cherry should be
Speaker 1: on the same tier level I reckon this year, lector.
Speaker 3: There is an argument. There is an argument. So I'll
Speaker 3: start with Maxicorn. He's consistent. Every single week, he'll give
Speaker 3: you a five marks, A couple of them will be
Speaker 3: behind the ball, he'll contest the ruck, he'll have a
Speaker 3: couple of tackles, and you know he'll have eighteen to
Speaker 3: twenty disposals. Maxicorn is just consistent. Maxicorn. Your only potential
Speaker 3: question mark over him is games played, because he's always
Speaker 3: going to miss one two games. But I think he'll
Speaker 3: be the highest averaging ruckman this year, and I've got
Speaker 3: Cherry slightly lower. So yes, he played more games than
Speaker 3: Maxicran last year. Yes, he did score more total points
Speaker 3: than Max Gooran last year, and yes I did have
Speaker 3: him at a one last year all year, so I
Speaker 3: understand he's good. However, my biggest question mark over him
Speaker 3: is the ability to recreate what he did last year,
Speaker 3: because he had a massive jump and the main one
Speaker 3: that people are talking about is the tackle numbers. He
Speaker 3: jumped from a career average of about three tackles a
Speaker 3: game to seven point five tackles per game last year.
Speaker 3: Was that an outlier or was that the new norm
Speaker 3: for Christian Cherry? A slight step back and that tackle
Speaker 3: number alone will impact his output this year, and I
Speaker 3: suspect it's going to be pretty hard to maintain that
Speaker 3: massive number. All the other stuff, the mark, the disposals,
Speaker 3: the rough contest, I think that's all consistent for Cherry,
Speaker 3: But those tackle numbers, there's a few points in those.
Speaker 1: It's big. I'm keen to hear your thoughts Patch as well,
Speaker 1: the Gorn versus Cherry debate right at the top of
Speaker 1: the draft. I mean, you'd be happy with either of
Speaker 1: these guys, but where do you see that landing.
Speaker 4: I've got Cherry at one and Gorne at two, and
Speaker 4: I've got them in the same tier. So I think
Speaker 4: you know Cherry is still he's still a baby by
Speaker 4: ruck standard, He's still what twenty five twenty six coming
Speaker 4: into this season. I think as much as you know
Speaker 4: that there's every chance that the tackle numbers could be
Speaker 4: an outlier and he could see a drop off in tackles.
Speaker 4: I think there's still that natural improvement to come from Cherry,
Speaker 4: and even if that's a five percent improvement across every
Speaker 4: every stack category, that's still going to be enough to
Speaker 4: offset I think no any any major drop in average
Speaker 4: or total output of points. Maybe he drops you know,
Speaker 4: one or two average you know, over the season, or
Speaker 4: he drops you know, fifteen hundred points compared to last year.
Speaker 4: But I still certainly see as much room for upside
Speaker 4: as I see as room for downside in Cherry's growth,
Speaker 4: and I'd be happy with either of them. If I'm
Speaker 4: splitting hairs, I'm probably going Cherry just because of the
Speaker 4: games played. I don't want one of those games that's
Speaker 4: missed to be a final or be a must win
Speaker 4: game to get me into the top eight, or you know,
Speaker 4: a game that's going to avoid me getting a punishment
Speaker 4: at the end of the year. I think I'd just
Speaker 4: rather the consistency with you know. And I know Cherry's
Speaker 4: had some injury problems way back, but I think Gorn
Speaker 4: is getting on a little bit. He worries me a little,
Speaker 4: just that tiny bit that father time might start catching
Speaker 4: up with him. I think if not this year, then
Speaker 4: certainly by next year we'll be having a pretty big
Speaker 4: discussion about father time in MAXICRN. But I think I'm
Speaker 4: struggling to split them.
Speaker 3: You can clip just DOSSI Max corn is the Lebron
Speaker 3: James of AFL, and what I mean by that is
Speaker 3: I don't think Age is going to touch him. I
Speaker 3: think he's smart in how he uses his body. He
Speaker 3: rests on field and a lot of his points come
Speaker 3: from the stuff he does behind the ball, taking interscept marks.
Speaker 3: I'm not worried about Max Gorn in the slightest, but
Speaker 3: I can understand that one or two these are the
Speaker 3: two best rockman I think in.
Speaker 1: The comp Yeah, I currently have Chariot number one, but
Speaker 1: I also have them in the same tier. But it'd
Speaker 1: be interesting, Yeah, like that, Teering them separately, I think
Speaker 1: is a distinguished point there for your draft. There, Lefdog
Speaker 1: that you're happy going Gorne, you know, much higher than Cherry.
Speaker 4: Seemingly, while we're on these two, where do you take
Speaker 4: them overall? Do you do you go in the top three,
Speaker 4: Do you go bond Decos Gorne for you or do
Speaker 4: you look at a Ruckman in the top five what's
Speaker 4: your strategy for rucks? Do you like punting them? Do
Speaker 4: you do you like grabbing one early and not worrying
Speaker 4: about it? Do you just middle around and pick up
Speaker 4: a like a Lloyd Meek or whatever in the middle, Like,
Speaker 4: how do you go about picking a ruck.
Speaker 3: For me Gorne or Cherry? I'm taking with my first pick,
Speaker 3: unless i have pick one or two, in which case
Speaker 3: I'm taking BoNT and Decos in almost every circumstance. If
Speaker 3: you don't get a Gorne or Sherry with your first pick,
Speaker 3: then I think you can probably wait to your second, third,
Speaker 3: fourth pick onwards to get at ruckman. But I think
Speaker 3: these two guys do separate themselves from the rest of
Speaker 3: the pack when we look back at season twenty twenty five.
Speaker 3: So yeah, jump early on one of these two guys.
Speaker 3: If they're your first player, I think you're going to
Speaker 3: be happy. The other guys you can probably let slip
Speaker 3: a little bit further.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about a couple other players in the top five.
Speaker 1: Tim English, You've got a three bit of a down
Speaker 1: year for his standards, but you've got him bouncing back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I do.
Speaker 3: I think he's still really solid. Yes, last year was
Speaker 3: a bit of a downslide, but.
Speaker 2: He's still got that dog's midfield to hit it too.
Speaker 3: Even with trelaw Out, who we spoke about in the
Speaker 3: last podcast. There's guys like Matt Kennedy and stuff that
Speaker 3: have come in can potentially fill roles. So I think
Speaker 3: he's still got the opportunity there. Another year under his belt,
Speaker 3: I think I think he'll be solid. I'm not sure
Speaker 3: he's going to necessarily get back to that one hundred
Speaker 3: and twenty eight average he had in twenty twenty three,
Speaker 3: but somewhere around the one ten range would.
Speaker 2: Not shock me.
Speaker 4: Right, Tom da Cooney, you're a blues man. We've had
Speaker 4: lots of discussions about Tom d Cooney over the past
Speaker 4: few years as someone that's owned him in a keeper league.
Speaker 4: What are your thoughts this year? There'll be some people
Speaker 4: not naming names, are very very high on him this year.
Speaker 4: What point would you be taking him? What do you
Speaker 4: see his output being? Do you see Carton playing him
Speaker 4: as a sole ruck? What's talk to me about the
Speaker 4: wonderful hair that is attached to Tom de Cooney?
Speaker 1: Why do I have him three currently in my ranks like.
Speaker 3: We have him three because when he's a solo ruck.
Speaker 3: He's really, really, really good for Carlton. Now, past me
Speaker 3: might have said that he's not a ruckman and that
Speaker 3: he'll end up playing behind the ball as an intercept
Speaker 3: defender in his career, and I still think age thirty five,
Speaker 3: Tom de Conig might do that. It's upside the biggest
Speaker 3: query I have because I've got him fifth, so I
Speaker 3: think he can score the points. I think he has
Speaker 3: the role. The de lingering question I have in the
Speaker 3: back of my head is just Fossy consistently says he
Speaker 3: wants the two rucks setup. I don't necessarily know if
Speaker 3: they've been rolling with that this preseason. Tom Deconning announced
Speaker 3: himself last year as the number one a sort of
Speaker 3: ruckman at Carton. I do think on a holistic view,
Speaker 3: he's actually better off as as sharing the rock duty
Speaker 3: with someone else and being that energizer rather than the
Speaker 3: slog ruckman throughout the whole game. If Pitto plays then
Speaker 3: and you take him with your fifth pick, then you've
Speaker 3: ruined your draft. If Pindo doesn't play and you take
Speaker 3: him with your fifth pick, then jeez, you might have
Speaker 3: won your draft.
Speaker 2: It's just so tough. I don't know what Voss he's
Speaker 2: going to do.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, panicking super Coaches is the Carlton social media
Speaker 1: team putting out there today. Pitto is heading into the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five season fit and firing with a muscle
Speaker 1: emoji and putting out a video and interview with pitten
Speaker 1: out about how he's came to impact this year.
Speaker 2: So don't pick Tom.
Speaker 1: I might have to bump him down a bit, just
Speaker 1: do that risk. But no, Yeah, I think that the
Speaker 1: ceiling is tantalizing. Yeah, whether we get it for a
Speaker 1: full season and whether it is solo is the question mark.
Speaker 1: So fair enough for putting in five. It's probably going
Speaker 1: to be an up and down season. But you still
Speaker 1: be happy taking him. You've got Grundy at four, happy
Speaker 1: with that, just replicating what he did last year. Now
Speaker 1: let's move through.
Speaker 3: So sorry, I just very quickly. I know we've got
Speaker 3: to rush. But Brodie Grundy was in classic last year,
Speaker 3: was maligned and traded out and traded in and traded out,
Speaker 3: ended up being the fourth.
Speaker 2: Yeah ranked ruckman. He's just really really good. That's why
Speaker 2: he's fourth.
Speaker 3: Alright, So after Tom deconning, who I think is an
Speaker 3: upside play, you've got the following guys. So you've got
Speaker 3: Toby Nan Curvis sitting at six in Tier four. Also
Speaker 3: in Tier four is Roand Marshall and Lloyd Meek. Now
Speaker 3: rowand Marshall on a per game basis is probably the
Speaker 3: best of this bunch.
Speaker 2: This one.
Speaker 3: This ranking was done after he had that preseason injury concern,
Speaker 3: so he's been bumped down Nank. He is going to
Speaker 3: miss three weeks every year, but he's going to score
Speaker 3: really well in the games he does play. And then
Speaker 3: Lloyd Meek just had a sneaky good season last year
Speaker 3: for Hawthorne. And in the same way back when we
Speaker 3: talked about midfield, as Dosh you talked about the upside
Speaker 3: in that Hawk's midfield, I think Lloyd Meek really has
Speaker 3: an opportunity here. Average one hundred and five last year
Speaker 3: across nineteen games, he plays twenty three games, he becomes
Speaker 3: like the fifth best ruckman.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a huge call. I think the role Marshal.
Speaker 1: Did you see the news coming out today that you
Speaker 1: know Ross Lyne, I think it was reported on AFL
Speaker 1: dot com said that he was definitely he will definitely
Speaker 1: play Round one. So some of the injury concerns that
Speaker 1: you might be speaking about. Does with that change just
Speaker 1: quickly on Role Marshall, With that change your adjust your
Speaker 1: rankings from him down at seventh.
Speaker 2: It might bump him up a couple of spots.
Speaker 3: So Roma, every year he's gone, he's played twenty three
Speaker 3: games the last two years for an average of one
Speaker 3: hundred and thirteen across those two years. That's elite numbers.
Speaker 3: So if Ross is not lying to me, Roma jumps
Speaker 3: up above Tom to Conne. He becomes a safer pick.
Speaker 3: I still probably take Brodie Grundy and Tim English ahead
Speaker 3: of him, but again, he becomes a tier three player
Speaker 3: if he's fit. It does concern me that they signed
Speaker 3: a mature age ruckman and they've got seemingly a lot
Speaker 3: of rock depth, like just old dudes who really want
Speaker 3: to play. I don't know, I've got some question marks
Speaker 3: over what Ross says as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Pat, you've got any thoughts on the six through ten.
Speaker 4: Look, I think Roald Marshall's quite good. We haven't you know,
Speaker 4: Lecky didn't talk about nine and ten there, but we've
Speaker 4: got Jared Witz and Sean Darcy there in the fifth year.
Speaker 4: I think Seawan Darcy's you know, obviously there's the injury cloud,
Speaker 4: which makes it a bit hard. I do really like
Speaker 4: Seawan Darcy, especially if you can pick up Luke Jackson
Speaker 4: with him. I want you to talk for a second
Speaker 4: about that. You know, handcuffing as a concept is around
Speaker 4: for a draft as where you take the you know,
Speaker 4: the number one ruckman if it's Roald Marshall and you
Speaker 4: take Harry Boyd very late, or if you can take
Speaker 4: you know, Seawan Darcy and Luke Jackson. I'm intrigued as
Speaker 4: to what your thoughts are around Shrek. You know, I
Speaker 4: had a difficult last year with injury. Would you consider, like,
Speaker 4: if he's if he's fit and firing and dominates pre season,
Speaker 4: does that move him up? Do you need to take
Speaker 4: Jackson if you're taking Darcy as well? What are your
Speaker 4: thoughts there?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Sean Darcy's had one season in his career where
Speaker 3: he played more than twenty games, and in all those
Speaker 3: other season he averages about fifteen. So I just can't
Speaker 3: believe that he's fit and firing. I know he's been
Speaker 3: over to Qatar, maybe somewhere he's back.
Speaker 1: And just before you continue answering, I would just love
Speaker 1: you to go to Instagram, find Sewan Darcy's Instagram and
Speaker 1: look at his latest post. Because me, after seeing that,
Speaker 1: I've adjusted him right up. He's not gone below top
Speaker 1: five for me now after seeing the big tank Sean Darcy,
Speaker 1: the man is shredded. The man is an absolute unit.
Speaker 1: This preseason, he was training straight back in the main
Speaker 1: group upon returning from Qatar. So look, we know what
Speaker 1: elliot yo happened after he went to Qatar last year,
Speaker 1: not excluding this pre excluding this preseason for Paul Elliot Yoe.
Speaker 1: But I bounce back, rejuvenated season. Gosh, I think Big
Speaker 1: Shrek could be in for a big year this year.
Speaker 3: I'm not shaming him, but it looks like he's lost
Speaker 3: forty kilos.
Speaker 2: He looks like a different person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I guess worthy injuries caused by the weight
Speaker 3: that he was carrying or they caused by something else.
Speaker 3: That's the question you've got to ask. In terms of
Speaker 3: handcuffing Patch, I think you're going to struggle to get
Speaker 3: both Sean Darcy and Luke Jackson just because of how
Speaker 3: thin the forward line is. And Luke Jackson won't feature
Speaker 3: in these rankings because we're considering him a forward, but
Speaker 3: The concept of handcuffing is really important, and it's the
Speaker 3: reason I've had Riley O'Brien and Kieren strawn in my
Speaker 3: keeper league for the last six years, and I'm just
Speaker 3: waiting for Strawan to break through and get into that
Speaker 3: main Adelaide Crow's team. But basically, as you said, the
Speaker 3: concept is if one misses, you've got the guy that's
Speaker 3: going to replace him already on your team.
Speaker 4: I am. I've got a differing rank with you as well.
Speaker 4: On Jared Witz. I'm off Jared Witz this season. I
Speaker 4: reckon he's going to start making way for Ned Moyle
Speaker 4: and Ethan Reid as well to mostly forward and chop out.
Speaker 4: I reckon he'll kind of break down at some point.
Speaker 4: He's done that the last couple of years, and I
Speaker 4: just think Moyle will just hold his spot. Which that's
Speaker 4: I'm not picking Ned Moyle. I'm not drafting Ned Moyle,
Speaker 4: but I'm right off Jared this year. I reckon this
Speaker 4: is possibly the last hurrah we see for the big Man's.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's tea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could go either way, couldn't it. Because if
Speaker 1: he's a joint and if he's performing, he's locked into
Speaker 1: the best twenty two and he's not moving. But yeah,
Speaker 1: if they decide to, I mean, Moyle is a rising ruckman,
Speaker 1: they want to keep him, keep him there as well
Speaker 1: long term. So that's a really tough dilemma for the Suns.
Speaker 1: But I think I'm probably along with lek In, I
Speaker 1: think I have him. I still have wits tenth in
Speaker 1: my ranks, just because, yeah, if he is fit, and
Speaker 1: I know it's a big you know, it's an if
Speaker 1: nowadays rather than a guarantee, but he still just does
Speaker 1: all the things that you want out of a super
Speaker 1: coach ruckman, and you know, the hit outs to advantage
Speaker 1: in particular.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I've got no evidence. It's a gut feeling
Speaker 4: that I'm like, I just don't I'm worried. I don't
Speaker 4: want to pick him if he's still there with my
Speaker 4: you know, if he's no one, you know, he's the
Speaker 4: fifteenth ruck there and he's still there, I'm picking him,
Speaker 4: but I'm not. Yeah, I don't know, I'm just not
Speaker 4: feeling it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't think a dimmer led team that's
Speaker 3: bored in guys like John Noble Daniuriali to impact straight away.
Speaker 3: They're desperate to play finals. They have they have to
Speaker 3: play finals. I know everyone's going to say that they
Speaker 3: have to play finals. I just don't think a team
Speaker 3: that's been as aggressive in the off season as they were,
Speaker 3: he's going to potentially hinder their their ceiling by playing
Speaker 3: developing ruckman over a guy like Jade Witz. I just
Speaker 3: think if he's on your list and it's for a
Speaker 3: range of things, it's for it's for not only his skill,
Speaker 3: but it's for his leadership and given how dimm has
Speaker 3: behaved in the past with his ruckman, you know, giving
Speaker 3: Nank the captaincy, I think he was still there when
Speaker 3: Nank was captain. I would just suspect that is locked
Speaker 3: into play as many games as is available for Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know where you've adjusted. Sean Darcy two
Speaker 1: in the comments as well after looking at his Instagram posts.
Speaker 1: So he's top five for all of us.
Speaker 4: I've heard hit us up with that eleven to may
Speaker 4: as well go eleven to eight een. Just hit us
Speaker 4: with the rest of them.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: Tier six at eleven, we've got Darcy Cameron, followed by
Speaker 3: Kieran Briggs. Tier seven and number thirteen and fourteen is
Speaker 3: Riley O'Brien and Oscar macanony. There you're you know what
Speaker 3: they're going to give you tier and then Tier eight
Speaker 3: through nine is Jordan Sweet, Sam Draper, Maddy Flynn, and
Speaker 3: Toby Conway. That's your top eighteen. And I think that's
Speaker 3: one ruckman from every team as well, ideally the main
Speaker 3: ruckman for each team.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a solid list. I think Kieran Briggs could
Speaker 1: be I haven't heard too much out of his camp.
Speaker 1: I thought I saw somewhere he was injured at one
Speaker 1: point in the preseason. I don't like I need to
Speaker 1: look more into that. I'd be keen on a Kieran
Speaker 1: Briggs b out's back season, and he'd be probably one
Speaker 1: that I'd be very interested in drafting a bit later
Speaker 1: because he's probably off a lot of people's radars. Had
Speaker 1: a stinker of a start last season, kind of came
Speaker 1: home a bit stronger. But Briggsy could be one that
Speaker 1: I'd be interested taking in those sort of mid to
Speaker 1: later rounds if I wanted to kind of not completely
Speaker 1: punt rucks but get a guy a bit later on.
Speaker 4: Agreed, Sorry, I absolutely agreed, And.
Speaker 1: A player I have a little bit higher just looking
Speaker 1: here I have Darcy Cameron quite a bit higher in
Speaker 1: my ranks this year, just because I think he's pretty
Speaker 1: much going to have to be the guy that's in
Speaker 1: there all the time. Now. I don't think they're going
Speaker 1: to really roll with the Mason cock split as much.
Speaker 1: I think we saw him sort of perform really well
Speaker 1: towards the end of the year when he had that
Speaker 1: solo ruck, and I think it's just his time to
Speaker 1: kind of take the reins a bit more. That's just
Speaker 1: also a bit of a gut feel their patch. We
Speaker 1: do like gut feelds. And then the other one, Jordan Sweet,
Speaker 1: I've got at eleven, You've got him down fifteen, and
Speaker 1: it's I heard him on a podcast good friend of mine,
Speaker 1: the Keeper League Pod. Jordan Sweet mentioned that he is
Speaker 1: interested this year in playing a bit more around the
Speaker 1: ground and he said he's basically got the license to
Speaker 1: go and get disposals more, get the footy more, which
Speaker 1: he didn't have in his kind of first season at
Speaker 1: the Helm last year. So yeah, Jordan Sweet's one that
Speaker 1: I'd be kind of interested in as well, picking up
Speaker 1: a little bit later in the draft patch. Your thoughts
Speaker 1: on these.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Jordan Sweet. I'm very intrigued in I
Speaker 4: think he's a number one role, but like just the
Speaker 4: specter of Ivan Soldo looming, what do they do with him?
Speaker 4: Do they play him as a backup right to the Sweet,
Speaker 4: spend a bit all time forward. I'm intrigued. I don't
Speaker 4: dislike him, but yeah, I'd be wanting to take him
Speaker 4: really late in a draft on that front, Darcy Cameron,
Speaker 4: I agree with you. I've got him at six, I've
Speaker 4: got him ahead of Nank, I've got him behind Marshall.
Speaker 4: But I think you know, we know what we're going
Speaker 4: to get last year will basically be the same this year. He's,
Speaker 4: barring injury, we should play every game, and I just
Speaker 4: I just think he's kind of reliable and neat and
Speaker 4: I'm happy to pick him up with my you know,
Speaker 4: if he's there at my eighth pick, then I'll do
Speaker 4: a little bit of a swerve and then stop worrying
Speaker 4: about the Rucks.
Speaker 1: Quick bombers thoughts on Sam Draper as well patch as
Speaker 1: a bombers man.
Speaker 4: I want Nick Brian to be the number one ruck.
Speaker 2: Me too.
Speaker 4: I think Draper is a better forward. Is he a
Speaker 4: good forward? I don't know, but he's a better forward
Speaker 4: than Brian is. So I think what Brad Scott will do,
Speaker 4: as a lover of playing two rucks, will start Draper
Speaker 4: forward and start Brian in the ruck and then sub
Speaker 4: Brian out at three quarter time. So I'm not touching
Speaker 4: Essendon's rucks and if you are, then you're insane.
Speaker 3: No, They're the probably the hardest rock lineup to read
Speaker 3: because and as someone who has handcuffed them in one
Speaker 3: of our super coach keeper League's patch, I just need
Speaker 3: one of them to be good, not both of them
Speaker 3: to be bad, which is what I've experienced today.
Speaker 4: That don't be changing.
Speaker 3: I've just got them in there at sixteenth Sam Draper
Speaker 3: because I think as a starting spot he's probably slightly
Speaker 3: ahead Brian. You're going to be able to get Brian
Speaker 3: later in drafts, but I've got him just ahead of
Speaker 3: Matt Flynn for reasons, and ahead of Toby Conway because
Speaker 3: Toby Conway might not even play for Geelong. He should,
Speaker 3: but it might still be Rectadly. I don't even know
Speaker 3: if he's on an AFL list anymore.
Speaker 2: He might still play.
Speaker 4: It could be Blitzerves, it could be samda Conning, it
Speaker 4: could be they could bring Mitch Edwin's in, Brad Close
Speaker 4: could play in the rock for them. They're just as
Speaker 4: bad as Bevo and they should got more flak for it.
Speaker 3: The Jordan's sweet point you made Dossi is interesting. If
Speaker 3: he does have that license, I probably actually push him
Speaker 3: ahead of Riley O'Brian and Oscar mcinernie in that you're
Speaker 3: not what you're going to get to here, because his
Speaker 3: issue is that he's basically the Pido of Port Adelaide
Speaker 3: in that he's locked to you are in the center
Speaker 3: square and anything else is not allowed. If he's got
Speaker 3: a bit more flexibility than yeah, he probably does jump
Speaker 3: in value above those slightly older battlers in O'Brien and mcinennie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a growing interest after that quote. So that was
Speaker 1: on the keep leg. It was an interview. It was
Speaker 1: only like a ten minute interview, so if you can
Speaker 1: to listen, go check out that pod. The other thing
Speaker 1: that I would say, let's just quickly touch on Matt
Speaker 1: Flynn because he's talked about massively in Classic Circus. You've
Speaker 1: got him at seventeenth, So essentially you're saying, if you
Speaker 1: are deciding to punt rucks and pick up a ruck
Speaker 1: super late, you reckon Matt Flynn may be available there,
Speaker 1: and maybe the classic sort of impact could hurt how
Speaker 1: high he does go. But I think you'd be pretty
Speaker 1: safe getting him late. What do you think he can
Speaker 1: produce for us this year? You've got him seventeen.
Speaker 3: If you're picking Matt Flynn, you're probably also taking like
Speaker 3: a I don't know, a Bailey Williams and sitting him
Speaker 3: on the bench someone like that. I'm not really sure
Speaker 3: the reason I've got him there. I think he does
Speaker 3: get first crack at the main rock roll for West Coast,
Speaker 3: but we know what.
Speaker 2: The risks are. We know the risks are.
Speaker 3: He's played four games, nine games, twelve games, and twelve
Speaker 3: games in the past. He's had flashes of moments where
Speaker 3: he's scored well, He's never averaged above eighty eighty eight
Speaker 3: in his career in a season. But if you're getting him,
Speaker 3: if you're punting Rucks and he's available there late in
Speaker 3: a draft, you take him at he's going to average
Speaker 3: eighty plus points, which.
Speaker 2: Is decent between the games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, and sleepers. We're going through sleepers again.
Speaker 1: Let's avoid sleepers on this one. Yeah. I think there's there's.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'd be probably happy taking anyone in that
Speaker 1: sort of top ten range. I think drafting a ruck's
Speaker 1: always just confusing to me. I don't know where the
Speaker 1: best spot to draft him is. I think I'll be happy,
Speaker 1: as you said, Cherry or gone early. If not, I'm
Speaker 1: almost happy sort of punting the ruck usually, and I'll
Speaker 1: just find that sweet spot in the middle of a
Speaker 1: draft where to pick up my guy, and I'll be
Speaker 1: picking Saw darst week, Sean Darcy first round, Seawan Darcy
Speaker 1: first round, or that's sweet Jordan sweet spot later on. Yeah. Well,
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Speaker 1: Patch for joining us again on this Rock Draft rankings episode.
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