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Speaker 1: Hi, my Boris, and this is straight talk, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Minchel, Well, we're straight talk. You were three hundred

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Speaker 1: and two, orbo.

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Speaker 2: Got three or six, and now Jared's clips everyone three

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Speaker 2: hundred and seven. You would have eclipsed all of them

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Speaker 2: if you hadn't had those massive injury periods.

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Speaker 1: Mind you maybe if Jared added up all the time.

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Speaker 3: Well that's true as well. He had a few suspensions.

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Speaker 3: He's been suspended the first six years. I didn't get injured,

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Speaker 3: and I've played more games than anyone in a four

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Speaker 3: or five year period where we were making Grand finals

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Speaker 3: and I was playing for the NIS in Australia. But

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Speaker 3: two thousand and six it all come crashing down. Chronic

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Speaker 3: information bubbling beneath my body was out of control. You're

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Speaker 3: eating out, you're drinking alcohol, prescription medication through the week.

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Speaker 3: So something had to give. Right two back operations, I

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Speaker 3: had a smaller disk buldge in my thorasic and then

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Speaker 3: I've got this huge dis bulge in my neck and yes, mate,

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Speaker 3: just got your report back. It's showing that you're like

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Speaker 3: one millimeter away from your spinal cord. That's when I

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Speaker 3: really started to dive into nutrition and the role it

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Speaker 3: my nutrition that I've still follow now. So the first

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Speaker 3: one is Russ has been my whole life basically. You know,

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Speaker 3: I grew up as the youngster of the Roosters and

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Speaker 3: they've certainly made me the man that I am today.

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Speaker 3: An Okay, wait mate, thanks MAV, I appreciate it. Well.

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Speaker 2: We're straight talk and as put together by the Sydney

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Speaker 2: Roosters Business Club, and we want to thank our sponsors,

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Speaker 2: are and my HR thanks very much. And our live

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Speaker 2: audience is pretty good. A live podcast. I've known one

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Speaker 2: I did with Bit of Landers had that he told

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Speaker 2: me at the end of the podcast that I sort

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Speaker 2: of hypnotized him and he said to me, I started

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Speaker 2: talking about things I never thought I'd ever talk about,

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Speaker 2: and and I wouldn't let him into the edit room either.

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Speaker 1: So welcome, ladies and gentlemen. Thanks very much. So Ricco was.

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Speaker 2: Through in one games correct, yep, you with three hundred

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Speaker 2: and two, Albo got three or six and now Jared's

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Speaker 2: eclipse everyone three hundred and seven. What do you think

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Speaker 2: of Jared's game for his three hundred and seventh game.

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Speaker 2: I mean, in terms of the way he presented himself

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Speaker 3: It was pretty fitting on it he got sent for

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Speaker 3: ten blood running down his face. It was just a

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Speaker 3: perfect setting for him to break the record. You know,

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Speaker 3: I watched him come over from Manley when he was

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Speaker 3: a young kid, and you could just see this sort

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Speaker 3: My loveliest bloke off the field deal met him as well.

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Speaker 3: The way he treats the sponsors and fans and around

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Speaker 3: on the field. He's an absolute beast. And to sustain

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Speaker 3: it was just an amazing day. You know, we are

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Speaker 3: the only club to have four three hundred game players

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Speaker 2: I mean, we're going to do a bit a bit

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Speaker 2: later but to be frank with you, you would have eclipsed

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Speaker 2: have eclipsed everyone by an even greater amount as we

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Speaker 1: Actually looks like a few like you get younger.

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Speaker 1: I want to go back to when you were a

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Speaker 2: Was this something that your family, because you know, you

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Speaker 3: Well, it was basically just natural. So we've got Italian heritage.

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Speaker 3: So the Italian culture right is to grow your own,

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Speaker 3: It was just how we lived our lives, you know.

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Speaker 2: Six seven six six, Yeah if I but if I

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Speaker 1: And I've often thought this, I mean, apart from having.

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Speaker 2: genetics associated with this, I would have thought. I thought

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Speaker 3: So that was my main sport as a young kid

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Speaker 3: And my auntie's sister was a gymnastics coach out at

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Speaker 3: I did that from six to about eleven. And I

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Speaker 3: was going to State for tumbling and a state competition

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Speaker 3: then I had sort of the power core foundation from gymnastics,

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Speaker 3: So when I went into rugby, I started league at

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Speaker 3: And the explosive power definitely come from gymnastics.

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Speaker 1: I remember you when you're playing, obviously, remember your plane.

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Speaker 2: When you're playing, You're used to bounce off people, and

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Speaker 1: Was that an ethan Minochello like tactic?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, gymnastics, they teach you how to fall

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Speaker 2: Me that you had a bit of a You hit

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Speaker 2: But I don't know whether you had a big, big

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Speaker 1: Maybe you did.

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Speaker 2: But do you put that down to the fact that

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Speaker 2: you were more of a distance runner, because often, I mean,

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Speaker 2: I remember Jay Gibson. You just say to me, the

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Speaker 2: best rugby league player is someone who can do four hundreds,

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Speaker 2: four hundred like not a not one hundred meter sprinter,

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Speaker 2: but a four hundred runner, do you put much weight

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Speaker 3: Well, the long distance running definitely helped my cardiovasciar fitness,

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Speaker 2: Being able to do Vo two max and all, let's

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, I'm massively in the nutrition before

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Speaker 3: And I remember the second day in Brian Kenevan rings

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00:21:57,640 --> 00:22:00,680
Speaker 3: the phone, the home phone back then, and my mum

437
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,760
Speaker 3: answers and they put me on and he says, I'd

438
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 3: like to offer your two year contract anyway. So I

439
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,840
Speaker 3: got offered a two year contract at sixteen, and I

440
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,560
Speaker 3: remember telling my family and anyway, all was forgiven about

441
00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 3: the suspension of school and I had the rest of

442
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,320
Speaker 3: the week off and I was killing it, and I

443
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 3: was like, this is all obviously, play first grade for

444
00:22:20,800 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: the roosters now. And I remember my dad saying, look,

445
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:25,440
Speaker 3: that's all. That's all well and good. You can play foot.

446
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,200
Speaker 3: You know. There's no dramas there, but you either finish

447
00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,200
Speaker 3: eleven and twelve or you get yourself a trade as well.

448
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:37,159
Speaker 3: So obviously, being all about sport and not focusing on

449
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,879
Speaker 3: school studies too much, I went, I'll get myself a trade.

450
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 3: So my dad drove me around to lots of different

451
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:46,960
Speaker 3: I liked woodwork and metal work back at school as well,

452
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 3: and so we drove around to lots of different joiners

453
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: and cabinet makers around Liverpool and Hoxton Park.

454
00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 1: And austral and plenty of Italian ones around.

455
00:22:56,960 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 3: There's lots lots of Italian ones around. But I I

456
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 3: like to finish early every day to go train excite,

457
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 3: to drive on the old M five which is almost

458
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 3: one lane, and to get on Kenoby Road and go

459
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 3: to Hanson Park or go to s Mark. So it

460
00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 3: was over an hour to get there. So I had

461
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 3: to leave by three o'clock and most of the tradesman,

462
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:19,960
Speaker 3: all the bosses were like, naha, you know, if he's

463
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 3: doing an apprenticeship, then he's got to work for five.

464
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 3: So I reckon. We went around about twenty but that

465
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 3: just kept going. That just kept driving another one and

466
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:31,679
Speaker 3: another one another. Anyway, we found this guy's Italian dominic,

467
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:37,240
Speaker 3: Kimira West End Kitchens out of Austril, and he said, yeah,

468
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,800
Speaker 3: I'll give him a go, no dramas. He can start

469
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 3: at seven and he can finish at three, and you

470
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 3: do tafe on Thursdays and all good. So I was.

471
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 3: I was obviously getting up at six point thirty and

472
00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 3: driving out further west to work and then leave it

473
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,640
Speaker 3: three and then try and race into es Marks by

474
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 3: four four fifteen every day, and then on Thursdays I'll

475
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,719
Speaker 3: go to Taife and Taye finished at five as well,

476
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,840
Speaker 3: but I'll leave at three in the afternoon tea break

477
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 3: and my teacher Cotton underwe goes, mate, what are you doing?

478
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 3: You're leaving at three every every week? What's happening? What

479
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:16,760
Speaker 3: are you doing. I said, I'm going to footy training.

480
00:24:16,760 --> 00:24:19,399
Speaker 3: I'm playing for the Roosters. And he was like, mate,

481
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,080
Speaker 3: that's no career, Like this is a creed what you're

482
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 3: doing now, This is a career anyway. So I was like, okay, right, mate,

483
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,240
Speaker 3: kept leaving it three and yeah, I made first grade

484
00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:30,760
Speaker 3: at nineteen.

485
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,400
Speaker 1: What was like to meet someone like Jack?

486
00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:38,480
Speaker 2: Was a jackalslad to meet something like Arthur?

487
00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,399
Speaker 1: But did you know who he was? I mean, you're

488
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,720
Speaker 1: a sixteen year old kid, I mean, did you know

489
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: who Arthur was?

490
00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:48,200
Speaker 3: Really not? At the start, I used to love Laurie Daily.

491
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 3: I used to follow the Raiders because I love Laurrie Day,

492
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,359
Speaker 3: the way you played. And then my mum used to

493
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:57,280
Speaker 3: film every game of ours, like my brother's footy games,

494
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 3: my sister's netball games, my games. So I a talent scout.

495
00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 3: Come up. Well, I was playing for East Valley United Talents.

496
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:06,480
Speaker 3: Talent scout come up to my mom and said, I

497
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,320
Speaker 3: do you have any videotapes because I'm interested in number

498
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,679
Speaker 3: three and number ten was two guys and she has

499
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 3: number three is my son Anthony, And yeah, I've got

500
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 3: heaps of tapes.

501
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: Yeah Italian serious.

502
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, we show the Christmas, so she gave it to

503
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 3: him and then he took those tapes back to Arthur.

504
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 3: But yeah, the after I got signed at the Ruses,

505
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,040
Speaker 3: then yeah, you get to know a bit of the

506
00:25:33,119 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 3: history of the club and Arthur beats and now he's

507
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,800
Speaker 3: a legend in the game and the statue that he had,

508
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 3: And then I had a really good relationship with him

509
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: because you know, he signed me at the club, but

510
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:47,920
Speaker 3: then we developed a really nice relationship and become great

511
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 3: mates over that period. And yeah, he was what do

512
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 3: you remember of him? He was He had a big aura,

513
00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:57,960
Speaker 3: like you just lumbered into the room, big guy, and

514
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,280
Speaker 3: you can just you know, as soon as Artie walked in,

515
00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:04,359
Speaker 3: you knew it was there. And just just subtle comments,

516
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 3: you know, like he used to just come in and go,

517
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 3: soe you catch those balls, make sure you get elbows in,

518
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 3: or just like little comments that were okay, nowhere, he's

519
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:15,239
Speaker 3: already all good. But he loved to tell stories as well,

520
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,119
Speaker 3: so everyone used to listen, and yeah, he was the

521
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:18,880
Speaker 3: top guy.

522
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 2: Unreal who was in the who else was in the

523
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,080
Speaker 2: stuy ball? So do you remember that we ended up

524
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 2: all knowing it.

525
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 3: Of well, Mark Ridell played with Mark Ridell, peg You Riddell,

526
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 3: Andrew Lomu. He played first red for the Rusters. So

527
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 3: we had heaps of talented guys in that but we won.

528
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,639
Speaker 3: We actually won that comp seventeen sixteen. I think we

529
00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 3: beat Newcastle at nor Sydney Oval that year in nineteen

530
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 3: ninety seven it was and we had guys there that

531
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 3: were more talented than me, but obviously they just didn't

532
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: work hard enough. All they got distracted by alcohol or

533
00:26:54,760 --> 00:27:00,640
Speaker 3: women or whatever. It was well above yeah, yeah, yeah,

534
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,879
Speaker 3: So it was like out of the whole team, I

535
00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 3: was myself, Mark Riddell, and Andrew Lomu, and there's another

536
00:27:09,280 --> 00:27:12,080
Speaker 3: guy called Nelson Lommie. He only played a few first

537
00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 3: grade games. Are those the only guys that really made

538
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,640
Speaker 3: first grade?

539
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:16,920
Speaker 2: Really?

540
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,800
Speaker 3: All the rest had more talent but then just fell

541
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 3: by the wayside.

542
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 1: It's a very interesting thing point you just made.

543
00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,680
Speaker 2: Actually, it's very interesting, and you know, we can probably

544
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 2: all of us have at some stage in our lives,

545
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: at school or playing stu ball or whatever it is,

546
00:27:30,960 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: have known guys and girls, probably in female sports, who

547
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 2: are much more talented than most of the other people

548
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: in the group, yet didn't get there and there's an

549
00:27:40,520 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: old saying talent is great, but persistence is king, and

550
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 2: persistency is the most important thing. Most of these individuals,

551
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,639
Speaker 2: the ones I knew as well, just didn't stick with

552
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: what they were doing. They just gave it away and

553
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: they got distracted for some reason. What is it that

554
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 2: sets someone like you aside and other people? Because here's

555
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 2: an a stuy ball side won the comp. Only three

556
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 2: or four paps ended up playing doing anything with their lives,

557
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:13,919
Speaker 2: and probably you and Rodella are the probably the most

558
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 2: signifitant of that particular side. Every year, this happens every

559
00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:21,639
Speaker 2: single year for the last fifty years. I mean, I

560
00:28:21,760 --> 00:28:23,679
Speaker 2: played a shueball. All the kids in my only two

561
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:25,760
Speaker 2: guys that are playing grade. But there were some really

562
00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 2: talented guys and there who should have played grade, but

563
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 2: they didn't because they just didn't hang in there. What

564
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:35,479
Speaker 2: is it that brings persistence to a particular individual. I mean,

565
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 2: consistencies are obviously an important thing, but persistence, in other words,

566
00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,200
Speaker 2: stick at your game. Why do you think that you

567
00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:44,480
Speaker 2: stuck at your game and others didn't. I mean, you

568
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: just kept in front of everybody and just kept doing it.

569
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: What was it about you? I don't know.

570
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 3: To be honest, I don't know. I've always been sort

571
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: of intrinsically motivated within myself. Like Susan, my alarm got up,

572
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 3: went off in the morning, I'll get up out of

573
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,479
Speaker 3: bed straight away, I'll go for a run by myself.

574
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:07,680
Speaker 3: I was. I didn't have to get pushed by my

575
00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:10,040
Speaker 3: parents at all. Oh you got to go out and

576
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 3: chop wood? Okay, yep, sweet. I always felt like my

577
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 3: mental prep. I always visualized my game from a young

578
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 3: age too, And that's mindfulness, mental prep, that meditation, all

579
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:27,680
Speaker 3: that stuff that's in our game now. I don't know.

580
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 3: I just had a good ability to prepare mentally, I felt,

581
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:36,280
Speaker 3: and I had an ability. I felt that I could

582
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 3: separate things. You know, if something was going wrong in

583
00:29:40,280 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 3: say your family life or an argument whatever, I could

584
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: come to training or just put that aside and I

585
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 3: could just focus on training and play my best, where

586
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 3: some other people can't do that. That comes into their training,

587
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: They train poorly, they play poorly well. I felt like

588
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 3: I could always separate things and then visualize what I

589
00:29:57,360 --> 00:30:00,600
Speaker 3: needed to do and try and execut the best of

590
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 3: my ability. And then it was it was a repetition

591
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 3: it's like as a fullback, you just got to catch,

592
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: repetition a ball after the ball, ball after the ball,

593
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:12,520
Speaker 3: until it becomes automatic. Because you know, in the pressure

594
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 3: of eighty minute Grand Final, when there's eighty thousand fans,

595
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 3: people get overawed by it. But if you've just caught

596
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: that ball a thousand times at training, it's the same thing. Really,

597
00:30:23,280 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 3: it's just a lot more noise around you. But if

598
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:32,239
Speaker 3: you can separate that and persist and consistently do your

599
00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 3: bit and train and train and catch and catch, it

600
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:38,240
Speaker 3: just becomes automatic. And then and then like after you've

601
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: done your physical prep, then the mental prep starts. Like

602
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: and I was always visualizing, not doing like amazing things,

603
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,120
Speaker 3: so you'll do you would visualize that, but visualize like

604
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 3: like just immense fatigue, but pushing through that fatigue to

605
00:30:56,400 --> 00:31:00,160
Speaker 3: do something good like that. That was my visualization that

606
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 3: I did weekly and see if I did my training regime,

607
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 3: then I did my catching and my extras, then I

608
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 3: did my visualization prep. I always felt I went into

609
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: a game confident because I ticked all my boxes, all

610
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 3: my prep boxes. Always went into a game confident. If

611
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: I didn't do something, then you goeshit. I didn't do

612
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,280
Speaker 3: that this week. It's in the back of your head

613
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 3: straight away, and that brings doubt into your mind. And

614
00:31:22,720 --> 00:31:25,440
Speaker 3: when it's when it's under pressure, you don't want doubt.

615
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 1: Do you remember having.

616
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 2: Dreams the night before a game or something like that

617
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: that you perhaps forgot your mouthguard, or you had the

618
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 2: wrong boots, or you didn't I've heard stories from guys

619
00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: who played first grade and probably in many grades where

620
00:31:40,600 --> 00:31:43,640
Speaker 2: they had sort of dreams about not being prepared for

621
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 2: the game that were about to play, dreaming, so it

622
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: could be a bit of a nightmare to some extent.

623
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 1: But did you ever have experiences? Riquet used to me, You.

624
00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 3: Know, it's really weird. I still have dreams now, like

625
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,160
Speaker 3: I'm like Robo calls me back in I'm playing, I'm

626
00:31:56,200 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 3: on the field. That's weird. I do. I have not,

627
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 3: not all the time, but it happened. It happens sort

628
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,480
Speaker 3: of quite regularly where you get one more shot and yeah,

629
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 3: you play well, or you feel like you're out of

630
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,680
Speaker 3: the loop and you yeah, you wake up?

631
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Was that real? Yeah?

632
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 3: I know, yeah, No, I have some of those now still.

633
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm thinking back when I was playing, I think I

634
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 3: was okay with all that type of stuff. But I

635
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 3: have more now I reckon And.

636
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 2: You would you say that your ability to You just

637
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 2: said if if you had some drama somewhere, you could

638
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 2: actually separate that from what it is the task at hand,

639
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 2: get on the task at hand, and perhaps deal with

640
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 2: the drama after it.

641
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: That compartmentalization.

642
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 2: That you were using, do you think that's a bit

643
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 2: of a superpower of say, when your case someone like you,

644
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: because I know other people who do the same thing

645
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: in business and all sorts of things. Compartmentalization of something

646
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 2: in other words, park something, deal with it later. I

647
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 2: mean I have this process where I say I'll put

648
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 2: some you know, in a not in a real sense,

649
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 2: but I actually put something in a box closer they'd

650
00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 2: lock it.

651
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: It's there. Get on all that I've got to get

652
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 1: on with. That's just a technique I use.

653
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:17,600
Speaker 2: Is that something you use as a superpower in terms

654
00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 2: of being able to do your best on the field

655
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 2: on the day.

656
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I felt I had that. I felt I had

657
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 3: it mentally over other opponents because I could do that,

658
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 3: I felt and you know, the I always the visualization

659
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 3: part was massive for me. And then like even like

660
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 3: you see people when they come off contract, they're always

661
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: eager to sign a deal, like oh, they get really stressed.

662
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 3: The last five years of my career, I just I

663
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:47,600
Speaker 3: did one new deals would David olam Menze will go

664
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 3: to you guys on the board and Nick and going

665
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:51,200
Speaker 3: up and he's feeling good. You want he wants to

666
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,040
Speaker 3: go one more year. Okayep, let's work it out. This

667
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 3: was at the end of the season in September and October. Yep,

668
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 3: we'll go one more. Yep, we'll go one more. So

669
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 3: it didn't really bother me that I was on a

670
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: one year deal or I was coming off contract. It

671
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 3: was fine, but I can I can see in other

672
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 3: players they get stressed. This is what I'm coming off

673
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 3: contract this year, and I need to get this deal

674
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 3: done and I need security. That's that's That's why I've

675
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 3: always felt I've seen other players get stressed in different areas,

676
00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:23,520
Speaker 3: and I always felt that my mental prep was not

677
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:29,919
Speaker 3: better than others, but I could really excel and jump

678
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 3: other other players in that area because in the NROL

679
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,719
Speaker 3: now everyone's pretty much physically matched up pretty well. They're

680
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:39,920
Speaker 3: all strong, they're all fast or powerful. But it's how

681
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 3: you prepare in your head. That really elevates you from

682
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 3: good to great. That's very interesting.

683
00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 2: I can you said confidence of your own confidence felt

684
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:02,640
Speaker 2: to perhaps the confidence that others didn't have. And I

685
00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: know there's going to be hard question to answer, or

686
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 2: maybe not a hard complex question to answer, given personalities,

687
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: et cetera. When you run on a field, which front

688
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: rower have you played with in terms of either for

689
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,880
Speaker 2: Roosters or Origin or Australia that would give you the

690
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 2: most confidence that because the smaller guys, guys out of

691
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 2: the back like to know they've got the big guys

692
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: up the front. Which, dude, do you just comes to

693
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 2: your mind?

694
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,160
Speaker 3: Oh well, it's pretty easy. Both of them are pretty

695
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 3: equally there that I'll have in any team as my

696
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,399
Speaker 3: front rows, which will be Adrian Mullin and Jared were

697
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 3: hard graves. Those two would be my front rollers any

698
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 3: day of the week at any player in the it's

699
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:53,880
Speaker 3: ever played.

700
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: And of course both of the nicest blokes off the field.

701
00:35:57,640 --> 00:35:58,319
Speaker 1: Did you like to meet?

702
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't say shit for a shilling, but what was

703
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,520
Speaker 2: the characteristic, the common characteristic perhaps for those two that

704
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 2: when they're.

705
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 3: On the field, well, as you mentioned, off the field,

706
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 3: they were just like the loveliest spokes, like by your beer,

707
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 3: even Morley, even like back when the early two thousands,

708
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 3: wrestling wasn't in the game that much, and then it

709
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,920
Speaker 3: sort of filtered into the game where we did wrestle sessions.

710
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 3: I remember Moreley. He was just just to cuddle youer

711
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 3: and just put you down to the ground and didn't

712
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: want to hurt your teammate, where now restolession is a

713
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 3: bit different. Right, the boys go hard, but as soon

714
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,560
Speaker 3: as they get into the change room, same with Jared,

715
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 3: and they crossed that white stripe and they run out

716
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 3: and play. They just absolute beasts. Like Molly. His eyes

717
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 3: used to flicker and you can see the glint and

718
00:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,200
Speaker 3: Jared's eyes. They have focused ears. You want to be

719
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 3: playing with them, not against them. You know, I played

720
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 3: against Morley in two thousand and three and when we

721
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: played it was a last Ashes series ever played, so

722
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 3: I was great Britain forsus Australia. And you'll probably remember

723
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:11,120
Speaker 3: this way great Britain kickoff and I think Darren Locket

724
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:15,160
Speaker 3: catches it passes the Robbie Kerns. Anyway, Adrian Morley's five

725
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,840
Speaker 3: meters in front of his line of his own teammates

726
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,240
Speaker 3: five meters in front, coming down the bash Robbie Kerns.

727
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: Robbie Kerns just puts a right foot step. Morley hangs

728
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 3: out the arm, clips on the chin and knockout. Carried

729
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: Robbie ERNs carried off. Morley sent off one of the

730
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 3: fastest send off send offs in history. He's just it

731
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: was just like a ball. He just wanted to love

732
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 3: the aggressive nature of it. And the same as Jared.

733
00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 3: And that's those two guys you want to be playing with,

734
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 3: not against.

735
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: That's what's so important for a back or someone in

736
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 2: the back line. Why was it so important for you

737
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 2: to have these guys up front.

738
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: Well, you know they're the engine room, right, so they

739
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 3: set the platform, set the tone of the game. So

740
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:00,480
Speaker 3: we're the little guys. We can't make big hit So

741
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: I'm at fullback, so I don't tackle that much. So

742
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 3: if you see your forwards going hard and they're making

743
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: inroads and they're building momentum, that's that's what you want

744
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 3: for confidence. It gives me confidence and it gives us

745
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 3: room to move right, sob.

746
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: Them creating space for you.

747
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you want space and time, and that's that's

748
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,320
Speaker 3: what happened in Origin too, where the forwards got on

749
00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 3: a roll on and they are pushing coins m forwards

750
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 3: back and as soon as you spread about wide, then

751
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 3: the defence is on the back foot. So you've got

752
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 3: time and space and that's what you want, and you

753
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,400
Speaker 3: know the forwards obviously create that.

754
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 2: For the people in the room, perhaps you can explain

755
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 2: something and it's often something I look at sort of

756
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:46,480
Speaker 2: more in a mathematical sense, But basically, Joey Freddie, those

757
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:49,120
Speaker 2: grade halves always look like they've got more time than

758
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 2: everybody else when they've got the ball in the hand.

759
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: But is that because they is it because the forwards

760
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 2: are creating the space for them? Because space and tom

761
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 2: has sort of related. So the more space got more

762
00:38:58,080 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: time you got. So look because he looks like everyone's

763
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: hanging off them. I mean, by the way, same have

764
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 2: played for Lockyer and et cetera. I mean like Queensland

765
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: players equivalent. Because is it because the forwards were making

766
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 2: that space for you?

767
00:39:12,760 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 3: And is that?

768
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 1: How important is that in terms of selection?

769
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: Oh, it's so important. I would say those three players

770
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: that you just mentioned, Joey Freddie and Lockey, they're the

771
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,560
Speaker 3: best players I've ever ever played with equally. But they're

772
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: all different players, right, and I think those three, even

773
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: though the momentum wasn't in our favor, those three could

774
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:36,320
Speaker 3: actually turn the momentum. That's how good they were. Whereas

775
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,320
Speaker 3: you know, you need the forward roll on which we

776
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: just spoke about. But Joey was like he was a

777
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: massive thinker, so he would he would just work three

778
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 3: players over, get them tackling, tackling, tackling, and you'll just

779
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 3: mention the me stanly inside tackle four and you would

780
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 3: have outside support ready inside in me. But he would

781
00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 3: get those three players tackling on the inside for the

782
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 3: last three tackles, so they're tired already, and Joey will

783
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 3: go to the line and weave his magic and just

784
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 3: pass it inside to me and here's a half gap

785
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:13,080
Speaker 3: or a gap there, I'll go through at pace. At pace. Yeah, yeah,

786
00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:15,759
Speaker 3: he was all speed, but he had like he was

787
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 3: like he was a massive thinker. So he'll get the

788
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 3: A V to B, you know, get these guys tackling

789
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: like he was unbelievable. Even that Origin game where he

790
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 3: kicked the ball back hit the post, well, I swooped in.

791
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 3: He actually told me about that I room with him

792
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:34,279
Speaker 3: that two thousand and five series where we called Joey

793
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 3: back in game two playing at Home Bush, and he said,

794
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 3: Billy Slayter, fullback, mate, really good, fullback smart. I'm going

795
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: to kick the corner, corner, corner, corner for twenty minutes,

796
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: and he's going to start hugging the corner to get

797
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 3: the ball in the full I'm going to kick back

798
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 3: and try and hit the post. I want you swooping

799
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 3: down in the middle. I mean, yeah, sweet, same way

800
00:40:52,280 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 3: he kicks twenty minutes, kicking to the corner, Billy Slater

801
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:59,800
Speaker 3: starts hugging the corner and then I think it was

802
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,840
Speaker 3: like tackle three or something. I call for an inside

803
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,360
Speaker 3: board because I was just always hanging inside Joey. And

804
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:07,080
Speaker 3: he does the kick and what do you know, hits

805
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 3: the post. We've been the score the try. So it

806
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 3: wasn't a fluke. No, it wasn't a fluke at all.

807
00:41:11,520 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 3: He actually he mentioned that to me in my in

808
00:41:14,360 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 3: our room like two days before the game.

809
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:17,880
Speaker 1: So Billy Slater is mortal.

810
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,560
Speaker 3: He is normal, So he's a freak.

811
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: He's so if I just go back to it, just

812
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:26,320
Speaker 1: I just want to cover off this before we get.

813
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: Moved on, but I've never spoke about Joey or Locke yet.

814
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:32,799
Speaker 2: In two thousand and two, Villa Sandy put a good

815
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: shot on Freddy and I don't know if everyone room

816
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 2: remembers it, but.

817
00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: Open him up a bit and it was a bit

818
00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: of a shock to us.

819
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:43,239
Speaker 2: And at that stage I think we were they were

820
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,240
Speaker 2: leading Auckland were leading it in New Zumber.

821
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,840
Speaker 3: I think it was twelve six maybe to us, but

822
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,240
Speaker 3: that they had all the momentum, they had the sndency

823
00:41:51,239 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 3: at that point, we're one of the pump.

824
00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: What was Morley's response at that point.

825
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:03,399
Speaker 3: He's like, you see's eye steaming. So Freddie gets cut half,

826
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 3: gets knocked out, and Villasany is standing over him and

827
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:09,040
Speaker 3: then everyone comes in and he's like, I got you.

828
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 3: Like he's just pointing that, yeah, it's your mind anyway.

829
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 3: So he's in the memory bank and the play goes on,

830
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:20,320
Speaker 3: and then I think Stacy Jones gets the ball and

831
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,839
Speaker 3: drops it under to villas Andy and Mos just come

832
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,719
Speaker 3: out flying out of the line and just wax him

833
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 3: and just knocks him over and everyone's like, eh, they

834
00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:33,000
Speaker 3: momentum changes it massively. Yeah. Yeah, I remember one game

835
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:34,919
Speaker 3: in New Zealand. We'll come back with the Grand Final.

836
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:39,759
Speaker 3: But one game in New Zealand, Ned Caddick got hit

837
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: by Owen Good and bild it was and it was

838
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 3: a high shot and got knocked him out, carried him

839
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:51,440
Speaker 3: off anyway, Morley just went you mate, anyway you literally

840
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 3: point to it. Yeah. Anyway, he didn't get him that

841
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 3: game anyway. A year later, a year later, we're back

842
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: at Mount Smart Stadium and mate, he just tore on

843
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 3: Good the shreds like he just asked him to come

844
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 3: out of the line. And even Owen said, mate, I

845
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 3: know more is coming for me today. And that that

846
00:43:11,360 --> 00:43:12,879
Speaker 3: was a year later. He had it in the memory bank.

847
00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 3: He never never forgets. And then so that back to

848
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: that Grand Final, that moment and change and then Freddy

849
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 3: kicks at forty twenty fitsy scores and then we roll

850
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 3: on and score all those points to win.

851
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: Because I remember Fitzi telling me a little bit after that.

852
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: He said to me that Freddy was behind the trial

853
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 2: on one stage and he said to the forwards, just

854
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 2: get me down there, get me down down to our

855
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:34,439
Speaker 2: try line and I'll do the rest.

856
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 3: Freddy was unbelievable.

857
00:43:36,040 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 1: He could actually the.

858
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 2: Confidence you must have got from someone like that just said,

859
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 2: if you get me down there, yeah, I saw something

860
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 2: out for him.

861
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 3: His instincts. Freddy's instincts was just phenomenal. Like he was

862
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,200
Speaker 3: just a footy player where you know, as you said,

863
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 3: just get me down there and then he will look

864
00:43:50,680 --> 00:43:53,279
Speaker 3: for certain things, weaknesses into the fence, like he was

865
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: so quick at picking something and just give me the ball, boom,

866
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 3: and that's that. That was Freddy's superpower. He's instinct was unbelievable.

867
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: I spoke about Joey so Lockey. Lockeye was different. He

868
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: was just a smooth sort of operator. He would like,

869
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:13,560
Speaker 3: you know, skip this player, skip two players in a

870
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:15,880
Speaker 3: heartbeat and put you on a block or an overlap

871
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 3: every single time because he's such a good mover and

872
00:44:19,080 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 3: he could skip two players in so quick overlap every

873
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,880
Speaker 3: single time. So those three players were some of the

874
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: best players I've ever played with.

875
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,880
Speaker 1: Who was the in your opinion?

876
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: Put yourself out aside, because you can't talk about yourself.

877
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 2: I guess of all the fullbacks us a great fullbacks,

878
00:44:38,719 --> 00:44:40,720
Speaker 2: not just here at the Ruster, but just generally speaking,

879
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,080
Speaker 2: there's been Who do you think is a real standout

880
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 2: fullback apart from Anthony Minchello.

881
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 3: Well, Billy Slater's no doubt so back back in the

882
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:55,400
Speaker 3: early two thousands, like fullbacks were known for all their attack,

883
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 3: but then as you get into the mid to late

884
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 3: two thousands, then the fullbacks really control the defensive line basically.

885
00:45:04,640 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 3: And what I mean by that is, you know there's

886
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,919
Speaker 3: three people in the tackle and they're trying to slow

887
00:45:08,960 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 3: the tackle down for a slow player the ball and

888
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 3: obviously two markers. Then the third person comes out and

889
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: gets back to the line. But that third person needs

890
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 3: to look at the fullback and they're pointing him where

891
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: to go left or right. So you've got to get

892
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:27,040
Speaker 3: the defensive numbers right every single time to give your

893
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 3: the best opportunity for your defensive line to combat their attack.

894
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,880
Speaker 3: When it becomes goal line defense, that's that happens to

895
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 3: split second. You've got a pool players where to go,

896
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 3: put them on the left or right. You get it wrong,

897
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 3: then there's an overlap for the attacking team. Billy Slater

898
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 3: was one of the best defensive organization fullbacks going around

899
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:49,680
Speaker 3: plus then adding his attack and being a ball player

900
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 3: as well. Like a second five eight. He was unbelievable

901
00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 3: Back in the was it late nineties or early two

902
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:58,960
Speaker 3: thousands when Brett Mullins was on fire at fullback, like

903
00:45:59,360 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: I used to love watching him play as well. But

904
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 3: there's been semi wonderful fullbacks. But that's the big thing

905
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 3: in today's game is how they can control the defensive line.

906
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: That basically the defensive line is yours as a fullback,

907
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 3: because you're you're controlling and putting the players where you

908
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,319
Speaker 3: need to put them.

909
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 1: Which means they've got to be super fit because you've got.

910
00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 3: To be You got to think under fatigue, yep, and

911
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:27,320
Speaker 3: especially goal line defense. You're doing forty men sprints just

912
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 3: in case they get around around the defensive line for

913
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 3: you to cover. But you know, obviously the defensive line

914
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 3: makes a tackle, so he've done a forty minute sprint

915
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:37,080
Speaker 3: for nothing. But you need to be there. That's your job.

916
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 3: But then you need to look at the defensive line,

917
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,319
Speaker 3: see where the players are left right, pull that guy there,

918
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,720
Speaker 3: so you're under fatigue. But then you need to organize

919
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:49,360
Speaker 3: the line as well. Billy was pretty good at that.

920
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 2: And I dare say, I don't dare say, I definitely

921
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: say that you and Teddy's very good at that too.

922
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: Heels unbelievable. That ye unbelieva and you know you.

923
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 1: Saw a of great full ball, great fullbacks comes through.

924
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,319
Speaker 2: Of course Roger was. We put Roger on the wing

925
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:07,359
Speaker 2: for a while and then you know it was the process.

926
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: We put him on the wing. You were on the

927
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: process on the wing for a while. Luke Phillips was

928
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,240
Speaker 2: full back. I think it was full back two thousand

929
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,120
Speaker 2: and two. I think wasn't he fullback? End the game

930
00:47:15,160 --> 00:47:18,719
Speaker 2: where we played Brisbane too in the Grand Final he

931
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: played two thousand and I actually to met good defenders.

932
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:24,840
Speaker 1: I remember.

933
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:31,800
Speaker 2: Wendell Saylor hurling down and Luke just he's not a

934
00:47:31,840 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 2: big guy, like completely arm I.

935
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: Thought, because he was one of the hardest players at tackle.

936
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 3: Wendell Sailor, he's a beast, unbelievable. He was fast, too, huge,

937
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 3: and he had lots of skills. So you know, like

938
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 3: the general process.

939
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:45,640
Speaker 2: I don't know about this whether this is the case

940
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: no other clubs, but at our club anyway, you play

941
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 2: wing for a while and you get chooed into the

942
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 2: full back position, into the full position, and so Roger

943
00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 2: was playing on the wing.

944
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: Were you were playing full back at the time.

945
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,799
Speaker 3: So what was in two thousand and two we won

946
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:02,640
Speaker 3: the obviously one comp and then in the preseason that year,

947
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,359
Speaker 3: Luke Phillips retired and we thought Luke Phillis was still

948
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,880
Speaker 3: only twenty seven to twenty eight. What are you doing

949
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 3: retire because he should all the stuffed And I said,

950
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 3: what are you doing retiring? And you're twenty eight, head mate,

951
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 3: I've been lying about my age for years. I'm like

952
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 3: thirty four.

953
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 2: That's what he did.

954
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he used to lie about his age anyway, So

955
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 3: he retired and then in the preseason we had Justin Hodgs,

956
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 3: remember right center, and he played lots of fullback at

957
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:29,799
Speaker 3: the Broncos before we come to ass and Ricky goes, mate,

958
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 3: what do you think about playing fullback? And I like, yeah,

959
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 3: give me a crack. I want to get the hands

960
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 3: on the ball much more because I'm thinking about you

961
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: or Justin Hodges, and I said, I'll give me first

962
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 3: crack anyway, So he did, Ricky, and always praise Ricky

963
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,120
Speaker 3: for this because that sort of elevated my career to

964
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 3: the next level where I made Origin that year. So

965
00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,959
Speaker 3: my first ever game at fullback was the World Club

966
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 3: Challenge over in England when we play yeah two and three,

967
00:48:58,320 --> 00:48:59,800
Speaker 3: when we were off the back of winning two thousand

968
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: and two correct, yeah, and we went on the smash

969
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 3: thirty eight nil. And that was the start of my

970
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 3: fullback career. And then later that year making the Blue

971
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 3: Squad at fullback and that was it. That was the

972
00:49:12,239 --> 00:49:14,800
Speaker 3: start of the fullback career. And then then in twenty

973
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 3: fourteen when it was my sort of last year, I

974
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:20,319
Speaker 3: sat down and Robert at the start of the year

975
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:22,959
Speaker 3: and he said, we want to sort of get Roger

976
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,720
Speaker 3: a bit more involved. What do you think about whenever

977
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 3: we go across the fifty meter line when we were attacking,

978
00:49:29,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: you go to right wing, Roger comes into fullback, and

979
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 3: then all the defensive organization, all the defensive play your fullback,

980
00:49:37,080 --> 00:49:40,320
Speaker 3: Roger right wing. And I went, yeah, yeah, no dramas

981
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 3: if that you know, that sounds like a plan. I

982
00:49:43,640 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: moved to the right wing. I think I scored more

983
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:47,960
Speaker 3: tries on the right wing that year. That's good, but

984
00:49:48,400 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 3: it worked really well, just to give Roger a taste

985
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 3: of playing fullback in that attacking zone where you can

986
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 3: do some ball playing and just feel out how much

987
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:03,720
Speaker 3: running he needs to do before he takes over in fifteen,

988
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 3: So that worked really well.

989
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: So your I think it was two thousand and six

990
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: two seven.

991
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:09,960
Speaker 2: Let's talk about your injuries. I mean, you had a

992
00:50:10,080 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 2: horrific two or three year period with your back, and

993
00:50:14,239 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 2: as a request Cynerical, we had two back operations.

994
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 3: Is that right?

995
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:20,040
Speaker 2: Yep, I've had three now, but three now two dreams. Yeah,

996
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:24,320
Speaker 2: most this would be career ending back operations.

997
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Just tell me quickly.

998
00:50:27,120 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 2: I mean, given your abs are so strong, I mean,

999
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,040
Speaker 2: you know you've been a gymnast, a professional sportsman, very

1000
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: conscious about your health and strength and speed and et cetera.

1001
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 2: I'm sure in those days you're probably doing lots of

1002
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 2: agility stuff and lots of stretching, et cetera.

1003
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,239
Speaker 1: Why do you think you had a back a back problem?

1004
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:49,160
Speaker 1: Was that cause by game or was that genetic?

1005
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 3: Now, so I'll tell you the story. So obviously I

1006
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 3: had that good foundation of when I was a kid,

1007
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 3: whole food, nutrition and all that type of stuff. But

1008
00:50:57,280 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: you know, as soon as I signed the ruses, I

1009
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 3: moved that a home at a Dean and I started

1010
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 3: living in the city with the boys and all that

1011
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 3: times of so you're burning the candle at both ends, right,

1012
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 3: So you lose that home cooked meals. You're eating out

1013
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,840
Speaker 3: every night, you're eating poor quality food.

1014
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 1: Who are you living with?

1015
00:51:11,680 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 3: So two thousand and four we called this house the

1016
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:17,879
Speaker 3: House of Grouse was in Bond. I had a big

1017
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:23,520
Speaker 3: five bedroom houses, myself, Brett Finch, Chris Walker, Mick Krocker,

1018
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 3: Todd Payton and so that was a pretty madhouse for

1019
00:51:27,719 --> 00:51:32,160
Speaker 3: a year. And I remember we got the house and

1020
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:34,120
Speaker 3: Ricky has, no, you're not living again, no way. And

1021
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:36,000
Speaker 3: we're like, well, you can't really tell us where to live.

1022
00:51:36,040 --> 00:51:38,719
Speaker 3: If we're playing bad, then we'll move out. That's the deal,

1023
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,160
Speaker 3: rick and he has all right, done, all right, you

1024
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 3: play well, you know we're on fire that year. But

1025
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:49,440
Speaker 3: go back to two thousand and six where the breakdown happened.

1026
00:51:49,640 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: So you know you're eating out, you're drinking alcohol on

1027
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:57,000
Speaker 3: the weekends and even prescription medication through the week you know,

1028
00:51:57,160 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: everything like back then the voltarans and yeah, volta burns

1029
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 3: and sleeping tabors all around. And two thousand and five

1030
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 3: I had some flare ups in my lower back. So

1031
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,320
Speaker 3: but prior to this, right, we had professional nutritus and

1032
00:52:12,520 --> 00:52:14,440
Speaker 3: dietitians on board, and all that type of stuff. And

1033
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,160
Speaker 3: that day, because I was always lean, I was lean

1034
00:52:17,239 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: as bloken the team and they were saying eight ninety killers.

1035
00:52:22,560 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 3: I played at eighty eight killer killer, but still I

1036
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 3: was still really lean. Skin fold is always the lowest,

1037
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:31,920
Speaker 3: and they were just saying to me, you just got

1038
00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:34,239
Speaker 3: great jeans and genetics from your parents and grandparents. You're

1039
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,800
Speaker 3: one of the lucky ones. You know, you can basically

1040
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: eat what you want all that type of stuff. So

1041
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,520
Speaker 3: you know, in the early twenties, when you get told that,

1042
00:52:41,640 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 3: you think you're bulletproof. Right. So I was drinking all

1043
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,719
Speaker 3: weekend and eating out and eating whatever I wanted, and

1044
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: I wasn't getting injured through that two thousand and twousand

1045
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 3: and five period, so I thought, I thought I was bulleproof.

1046
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:54,200
Speaker 3: I can do whatever I want because IVE got great jeans.

1047
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:57,000
Speaker 3: But yeah, in two thousand and six, it all come

1048
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 3: crashing down. Two thousand and five, I had some flare

1049
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 3: ups in my low back, got an MRI. It was

1050
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: two bulging discs L five s one L four five

1051
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,360
Speaker 3: two lolls discs in your back. And I remember lizeed

1052
00:53:07,400 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 3: a physios I could look after your back. You go

1053
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 3: to make sure I was like, yeah, yeah, it's all good.

1054
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,600
Speaker 3: I didn't even care about it. I just kept doing

1055
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:19,239
Speaker 3: what I was doing on and off the field. And

1056
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 3: then it went from back spasms one time for a day,

1057
00:53:22,760 --> 00:53:25,120
Speaker 3: then I went to two or three days where they

1058
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 3: was backspasms. And then in two thousand and six preseason,

1059
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 3: I was just in a scrimmage down down the South

1060
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 3: Coast and I just did this little click. I just

1061
00:53:36,320 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 3: got checked. There wasn't even like a bad tackle or anything,

1062
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 3: and I had this nerve pain running down my left leg.

1063
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: And I took two weeks to get over. And this

1064
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: was leading into the season where we were playing South

1065
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 3: Sydney for the first game, and I rehabbed it and

1066
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 3: I played the first six games and I played with

1067
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,840
Speaker 3: constant hamstring pain. I thought it was hamshing pain, but

1068
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:01,399
Speaker 3: it was actually nerve pain running down my leg into

1069
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:03,200
Speaker 3: my toes. But every time I warmed up it would

1070
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 3: fade away. But every time I'd warm down or around

1071
00:54:06,600 --> 00:54:09,880
Speaker 3: the house, it'll increase from week to week, ever so slightly.

1072
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 3: I got picked in the ANZAC Day Tests against New Zealand.

1073
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:15,840
Speaker 3: I remember coming in. Tony Abe was a physio and

1074
00:54:15,920 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: he been down Touchy toes all the things to get

1075
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 3: the tick of approval, and I was bending down and

1076
00:54:19,960 --> 00:54:22,040
Speaker 3: touch my knees before that sharp pain will dig in

1077
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,359
Speaker 3: and I'll go back up and what are you doing

1078
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,520
Speaker 3: go back down and touch it? I can't. I've got

1079
00:54:26,560 --> 00:54:28,360
Speaker 3: this pain that runs down my leg. And he was

1080
00:54:28,400 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 3: asking me more questions and more questions, and he said, man,

1081
00:54:30,640 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 3: I can't let you play with this, meaning there's no chance.

1082
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 3: He ruled me out of that game. I was angry

1083
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 3: at the time, but he set me up a little

1084
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:40,000
Speaker 3: specialists and I had an MRI and I had a

1085
00:54:40,080 --> 00:54:42,200
Speaker 3: ruptured diss in my L five s one the lowes

1086
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 3: diss in your back pressing on that sidic nerve. And

1087
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,880
Speaker 3: I remember the surgeon goes, you need an operation. You

1088
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:51,480
Speaker 3: need to get that just shaved off and through that

1089
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: for you because it just would.

1090
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 1: Have been put. But the bit was protruding, hitting the

1091
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:56,000
Speaker 1: hitting on the nerve.

1092
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:57,960
Speaker 3: Hitting on the nerve, protruding, hitting on the nerve. And

1093
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 3: that's that constant nerve pain that I was always there

1094
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,400
Speaker 3: throughout the days, and trying to get your socks and

1095
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 3: shoes on was a nightmare. But you know, I thought

1096
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,760
Speaker 3: i'd warm up the fades away. It's all good anyway.

1097
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 3: So the actually the surgeon explained what I was experiencing

1098
00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 3: and that you need an operation, and I thought, you know,

1099
00:55:16,600 --> 00:55:18,840
Speaker 3: I played more games than anyone through this four or

1100
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:22,120
Speaker 3: five year period. I get this operation and come back

1101
00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 3: bigger and stronger. So I'll get the operation, and I'm

1102
00:55:26,600 --> 00:55:29,440
Speaker 3: running within six weeks. I'm now taking more any inflammatories,

1103
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:32,839
Speaker 3: thinking they're helping me. Two thousand and seven season rolls around.

1104
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 3: I play the first ten games and I'm in camp

1105
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,879
Speaker 3: actually for Origin. Get picked in the Origin side again.

1106
00:55:39,880 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: It's game two and I literally just roll out of

1107
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:44,520
Speaker 3: bed to put my socks on. This click in my back.

1108
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 3: My back goes in the spasm. This time nerve pain's

1109
00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 3: running down my right leg. So I sort of crawled

1110
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,960
Speaker 3: the fall alert on the floor. Call Lizzy in the physio,

1111
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: and I'm sort of I was sort of stuck to

1112
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: the four for an hour or two. Anyway. This was

1113
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,839
Speaker 3: three days before the game. The bus was going out

1114
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 3: to the home bush to stay last night. So the

1115
00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,319
Speaker 3: obviously the bus days on course, all the boys get

1116
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 3: leave and I get ruled out obviously because I couldn't move,

1117
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: and they called Brett Stewart in go back up to

1118
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 3: the s Vincent's, the mur and the surgeons, and they

1119
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: go them. I look, the disc above has done the

1120
00:56:16,320 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: same thing. L four five is ruptured hitting the side nerve.

1121
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,320
Speaker 3: Do you want to come back and play a contact

1122
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 3: sport like rugby league? Again?

1123
00:56:22,600 --> 00:56:23,480
Speaker 1: Was Dr Tim Steel?

1124
00:56:23,719 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: Now that I wasn't Tim Steel, was Richard Parkinson had

1125
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,120
Speaker 3: some Vincent's And I go, yeah, of course I want

1126
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:31,880
Speaker 3: to come back and play. I'm twenty seven, of course,

1127
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 3: I'm so young. And he has well, look well, had

1128
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,920
Speaker 3: a lemonectomy the first operation. This one will do a

1129
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 3: micro to secting. It's a bit of a smaller operation.

1130
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:42,280
Speaker 3: Similar operation, but a little bit small, but don't affect

1131
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 3: the structure of his spine. If you're going back in

1132
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 3: the contact. And he said you've got to take the

1133
00:56:46,560 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: recovery a lot slower. I said, okay, sweet, get that operation.

1134
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 3: I take the recovery a lot slower. But I still

1135
00:56:53,360 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 3: hadn't connected to the dots with lifestyle and nutrition all

1136
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,000
Speaker 3: that type of stuff. Yet I'll still doing the same things.

1137
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: Any inflammatories morning and night too, and morning two at night.

1138
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 3: I was doing four a day last I've had stomach

1139
00:57:03,520 --> 00:57:07,840
Speaker 3: ulcers and everything developed a year after that. Anyway, So

1140
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:11,760
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight season rolls around and I'm preparing

1141
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:14,000
Speaker 3: for that season. I played the first six games. I'm

1142
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,360
Speaker 3: on the bench press and I just push out a

1143
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: rep three days before a game. I sort of pinched

1144
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:19,680
Speaker 3: a nerve in my neck. You don't really think too

1145
00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 3: much of it. Go out and play that game. Towards

1146
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 3: the end of the game, I get the water bottle

1147
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 3: and squeeze the water out. I feel like my wrist

1148
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:30,160
Speaker 3: in hand just didn't have any power. That's weird, right,

1149
00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 3: And I finished the game off tell the dock and

1150
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 3: they're like, that doesn't sound right, like knowing your back history.

1151
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 3: Maybe I should get an MRI. That was a Sunday

1152
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:41,360
Speaker 3: night game, Monday MRI, and I don't. I didn't think

1153
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,240
Speaker 3: anything of it. I'm training on field. It was a

1154
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 3: Tuesday night. We're doing scrimmage against reserve grade and our

1155
00:57:47,800 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 3: physio comes running out down the tunnel. Not he's screaming.

1156
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: One day, many many mini come off, come off, and

1157
00:57:53,520 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 3: I'll walk over to him, what's up? And yes, mate,

1158
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:59,800
Speaker 3: I just got your report back. You've got a like

1159
00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 3: significant dispulge in your C five c six vertebra and

1160
00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:06,560
Speaker 3: it's like it's showing that you're like one millimeter away

1161
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 3: from your spinal cord. Anyway, so I was basically in

1162
00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 3: shop two back operations. I had a smaller dispuldge in

1163
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,320
Speaker 3: my thoracic and then I've got this huge dis bulge

1164
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 3: in my neck and we just sit on the side

1165
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,280
Speaker 3: of the stadium and a million thoughts are running through

1166
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:23,800
Speaker 3: your head. Go back up to St. Vincent's and they

1167
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 3: do another MRI, and this is when the surgeon was

1168
00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:30,680
Speaker 3: looking at my spine and he was like, like, all

1169
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 3: your discs they're black. In someone that has a healthy spine,

1170
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 3: there should be white. They're your cushioning system for running, grappling, sprinting,

1171
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 3: all that type of stuff. Yours are all dehydrated. This

1172
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 3: is why they start to bulge out, tear and rupture.

1173
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:46,880
Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, well, how do you fix it?

1174
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 3: How can I fix it? How can I rehydrate my

1175
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 3: disk again? And he was like it's pretty hard to

1176
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 3: rehydrate one, let alone all of them anyway, So you know,

1177
00:58:55,640 --> 00:58:57,320
Speaker 3: we've got access to all the best specialists. You go

1178
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,080
Speaker 3: see another one, you go see another one else, giving

1179
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: me the same answers. And I remember I met my

1180
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,959
Speaker 3: wife prior to this, and she's always asking me about

1181
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 3: you got to find out the reasons why you'r this

1182
00:59:08,320 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: there black and someone else's. Isn't that why I kept

1183
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 3: bringing in my head? So I just went on. I

1184
00:59:13,960 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 3: just tried to find anyone to give me some answers

1185
00:59:17,680 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: or how to repair my body. And I went conventional holistic.

1186
00:59:21,360 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 3: I saw heaps of people, heaps of different people, and

1187
00:59:24,800 --> 00:59:27,640
Speaker 3: towards the end of that journey, I found he's a

1188
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,200
Speaker 3: good friend of mine now, I Ara mackenzie. He's got

1189
00:59:30,240 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 3: a training studio in bond Ni Junction. Original Energy does

1190
00:59:34,120 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 3: all the gymnastic stuff. It does all the gymnastics and

1191
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:39,040
Speaker 3: functional movement type training. This is two thousand and eight

1192
00:59:39,680 --> 00:59:42,320
Speaker 3: where functional movement training wasn't really in rugby league yet.

1193
00:59:43,200 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: And yeah, he sat me down. He didn't even ask

1194
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 3: me once about injuries. He asked me about my childhood

1195
00:59:47,240 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 3: and what I ate in all these lifestyle questions, which

1196
00:59:50,000 --> 00:59:51,800
Speaker 3: I thought was weird at the time, but he was

1197
00:59:51,840 --> 00:59:55,000
Speaker 3: trying to get a picture of haw Shrong, my foundation

1198
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,080
Speaker 3: was as a kid, and what I'm doing now to

1199
00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: improve my body. And he said to me, you can

1200
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,840
Speaker 3: repair your body if you're willing to make some sacrifices

1201
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:06,200
Speaker 3: and do things consistently. And I was like pretty much

1202
01:00:06,240 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 3: invested in that straightway, because you know, I saw on

1203
01:00:10,320 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 3: contract for another year at the Roosters and I had

1204
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 3: three spine injuries in the last three years. I played

1205
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 3: minimal amount of games. So I started training with him

1206
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 3: where the last part of our session he would film

1207
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: it send it to my phone, and I would bring

1208
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 3: my phone into the Roosters gym, put it up on

1209
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 3: the corner, and I'll do all this sort of functional

1210
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,840
Speaker 3: type movement training, which was all weird back then because

1211
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:34,400
Speaker 3: there was all how much can you lift and squat

1212
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 3: and all that still, But you know, the Rusters were

1213
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:38,840
Speaker 3: pretty good to me. They let me do what I

1214
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,919
Speaker 3: wanted because they tried a lot of things that sort

1215
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 3: of hadn't been working either. So I felt two thy

1216
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: and nine season now rolls around and I felt stronger

1217
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 3: in my core, ready to start the season, try and

1218
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: push out a full season this year. And it's around

1219
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 3: two down in Cambra and I do all my ligaments,

1220
01:00:56,640 --> 01:00:59,240
Speaker 3: my ankle and we did a sidneys mosis and I'd

1221
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 3: spiral fraction in my fibula. I thought I broke men

1222
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:05,880
Speaker 3: be cause I heard this huge crack. So another operation.

1223
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:07,920
Speaker 3: I was out for twenty two weeks I think, so

1224
01:01:08,040 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 3: most of the season again, So that was four years

1225
01:01:09,680 --> 01:01:11,760
Speaker 3: in a row and I was coming off contract and

1226
01:01:12,600 --> 01:01:15,280
Speaker 3: I remember, you know, you guys gave me great support.

1227
01:01:15,520 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 3: A lot of the board rung me and said, look, well,

1228
01:01:18,800 --> 01:01:23,360
Speaker 3: I don't give you another year match payments and I said, yep, sweet,

1229
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 3: I'll you know, I'll take that. And that's when I

1230
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 3: did one year deals for the rest of my career.

1231
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 3: But that's when I started really two thousand and eightousand

1232
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:36,760
Speaker 3: and nine, that's when I really started to dive into

1233
01:01:37,680 --> 01:01:42,200
Speaker 3: nutrition and the role it plays in healing and restoring

1234
01:01:42,280 --> 01:01:44,320
Speaker 3: the body. And I really I dived into it like

1235
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 3: one hundred percent. I took a deep dive into it,

1236
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 3: and I was really meticulous with lots of the things

1237
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 3: that I still practice now. I've got four steps with

1238
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:56,800
Speaker 3: my nutrition that I've still follow now. So the first

1239
01:01:56,840 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 3: one is get to know the source of food and

1240
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 3: where it comes from. You know, everyone's heard of the

1241
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 3: saying you are you eat, but I take that a

1242
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 3: step further, so you are what your food eats so

1243
01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:09,080
Speaker 3: meaning like you know, if you're eating beef for lamb,

1244
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 3: it's got to be grass fed, grass finished, so they're

1245
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 3: on their own natural diets of the animals healthy themselves

1246
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 3: before you consume it, wild caught fish, organic, free range

1247
01:02:18,360 --> 01:02:22,680
Speaker 3: pork and chicken, seasonal fruit and veg, spray free if

1248
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:25,960
Speaker 3: you can, or the washing process becomes important because lots

1249
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 3: of herbicides and pesticides are sprayed on crops. Now the

1250
01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,480
Speaker 3: prescious food cutting down on ultra process food big time.

1251
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 3: Step two is the process of your food. Now, save

1252
01:02:39,040 --> 01:02:42,320
Speaker 3: you got just so you've got a lamb shoulder. Most

1253
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 3: people put it in the oven, put it one hundred

1254
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 3: and eighty degrees and cook it way too quickly, burning

1255
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:48,000
Speaker 3: all the enzymes and nutrition out of it. So I'll

1256
01:02:48,040 --> 01:02:49,919
Speaker 3: just turn that doll down to one hundred and twenty

1257
01:02:50,360 --> 01:02:52,439
Speaker 3: one hundred and thirty or put it in a slow cooker,

1258
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:53,600
Speaker 3: cook it over time.

1259
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: Old school stuff, old school Yeah, And I.

1260
01:02:55,880 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 3: Was thinking, this is what I used to do, this

1261
01:02:57,320 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 3: is what my parents used, It's how they used to cook. Right.

1262
01:02:59,520 --> 01:03:02,600
Speaker 3: I didn't get so really hit a chord with me.

1263
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 3: It was natural, so you know, cooking with the right oils,

1264
01:03:06,840 --> 01:03:09,160
Speaker 3: getting rid of all the vegetables industrial seed dolls which

1265
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 3: can harm your health. And then step three is that

1266
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 3: cut down on the ultra process foods. And then step four,

1267
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,040
Speaker 3: which I practiced now, which I didn't have the research

1268
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,080
Speaker 3: behind me then was the weaving intimate fasting for accelerated healing.

1269
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 3: So they are my four steps of nutrition now. And

1270
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:29,480
Speaker 3: you still do that now, yeah, big time. Yeah. I

1271
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 3: always create my foundation always. I do lots of speaking

1272
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 3: on nutrition now as well, but I always create my

1273
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:37,560
Speaker 3: foundation at home and through the work week, so you

1274
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,720
Speaker 3: have a good, strong foundation, and then when you have

1275
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:42,480
Speaker 3: a weekends, I'm pretty relaxed. Or if you have a function,

1276
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 3: you know, enjoy yourself. It's part of life. You've got

1277
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,600
Speaker 3: to enjoy yourself as well. If you work towards the

1278
01:03:47,640 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 3: eighty twenty rule eighty percent whole nutrient dense foods twenty percent,

1279
01:03:52,520 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 3: enjoy what you'd like to enjoy. But when I was

1280
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,640
Speaker 3: back then, I was like more ninety ninety five five

1281
01:03:58,800 --> 01:04:01,560
Speaker 3: or not ninety ten because I was really honing in

1282
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 3: on decreasing the inflammation in my body. I'll always show

1283
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,640
Speaker 3: a photo of Arthur Beats and when he was handing

1284
01:04:07,720 --> 01:04:09,960
Speaker 3: me the Golden Boodleward in two thousand and five. I'm

1285
01:04:09,960 --> 01:04:12,240
Speaker 3: playing for Australiam over in England. You should used to

1286
01:04:12,240 --> 01:04:14,919
Speaker 3: see the photo in My face is puffy, my eyes

1287
01:04:14,920 --> 01:04:18,320
Speaker 3: are almost closed over. I had like the oxidave stress

1288
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,720
Speaker 3: and the chronic inflammation bubbling beneath my body was out

1289
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,360
Speaker 3: of control, so something had to give. Right for an athlete,

1290
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 3: that's an injury, but for a normal person that's illness disease,

1291
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 3: chronic disease, and that can be all reversed through what

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01:04:33,360 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 3: we put in our mouth, because we have the choice

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01:04:36,040 --> 01:04:37,840
Speaker 3: every single day or what we put in our mouth.

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Speaker 1: You said something really interesting in the beginning of this.

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01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,120
Speaker 2: You talked about you do a bit of resistance work

1296
01:04:42,240 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 2: in order to help you with your hormonal balance, in particular,

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01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 2: probably something like testosterone, because particularly you do legs, just

1298
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,320
Speaker 2: trying to keep things at balance.

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Speaker 1: You're not trying to pump it up, You're just trying

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01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:53,480
Speaker 1: to keep it a balance.

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01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 2: How important is it to have a real in your case,

1302
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:03,120
Speaker 2: at least a full picture as to your not only

1303
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: nutrition in your exercise, but things like hydration like you know,

1304
01:05:06,760 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 2: like because and not take things like voltauran for example,

1305
01:05:10,240 --> 01:05:14,680
Speaker 2: because and inflammatory, especially in essay. It's like voltan, which is,

1306
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,440
Speaker 2: as I understand, it actually have the negative effect on

1307
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:21,760
Speaker 2: your hormonal system, make you lose testosterone. They're trying to

1308
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 2: build testostera by doing squats for example or something like that.

1309
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:26,920
Speaker 2: And then the next thing, you know, because you get

1310
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 2: to saw back, you sho't have a couple of voltauran

1311
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,920
Speaker 2: down your gob and it reverses exactly what you just did.

1312
01:05:33,360 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 2: So this whole process, Anthony Minochello is really good at this.

1313
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:38,400
Speaker 2: How important is this whole process?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Massively? Like so you know, obviously they have a

1315
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,680
Speaker 3: short term benefit. If you've got a really acute saw

1316
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 3: back or whatever it is, you take a voltaire and

1317
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:49,480
Speaker 3: it gives you some these but if the long term

1318
01:05:49,600 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 3: use of that one hundred percent affects your hormonal profile,

1319
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,360
Speaker 3: then it makes your gut lining compromise all that type

1320
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:02,680
Speaker 3: of stuff. But also the biggest thing that hurts testosterone

1321
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 3: is plastics as well. If you.

1322
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: So, do you stop eating fish though as a result

1323
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: of it, I mean, what.

1324
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:13,560
Speaker 3: Do you do like well, like, well, microplastics in yeah, yeah,

1325
01:06:13,720 --> 01:06:16,800
Speaker 3: there's a lot of research around. There's lots of microplastics

1326
01:06:16,840 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 3: in fish. If I get fish. I try, I always

1327
01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 3: try and buy wild court. But even then, still there's

1328
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:27,959
Speaker 3: there's some effects of microplastics in the ocean, no doubt.

1329
01:06:28,040 --> 01:06:30,920
Speaker 3: But the things that you can control more it's from

1330
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 3: your grass feed, grass finished beef, and more animal animal

1331
01:06:34,280 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: products rather than sea products. But the thing is if

1332
01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 3: you put everything together right. So if you're when I

1333
01:06:42,200 --> 01:06:45,200
Speaker 3: when I dive deep into this, and inflammation is the

1334
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,320
Speaker 3: key driver to chronic disease, everyone will know that now,

1335
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:53,960
Speaker 3: So how can you minimize your own information? Well? What

1336
01:06:54,080 --> 01:06:56,080
Speaker 3: can what can you can you control? You control your

1337
01:06:56,080 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 3: food intake, you can you control your sleep, you can

1338
01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:03,440
Speaker 3: control your hydration, and you can natural sunlight's important. But

1339
01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 3: then the plastic thing, like drinking out of plastic bottles consistently,

1340
01:07:08,600 --> 01:07:13,080
Speaker 3: all the skin care and all these products, right, they

1341
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 3: have just little micro toxins in them. But if you're

1342
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 3: consuming poor quality produce, you're drinking tap water, you're getting

1343
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:24,280
Speaker 3: six hours sleep, you're not getting that much sunlight using

1344
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,560
Speaker 3: conventional products. These are the things that all add up.

1345
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,959
Speaker 3: And as we age, the detoxification systems in our body

1346
01:07:31,120 --> 01:07:33,280
Speaker 3: just that slows down. It's just the aging process. So

1347
01:07:33,360 --> 01:07:37,000
Speaker 3: in your twenties, you can get rid of stuff quite easily. Thirties, still,

1348
01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:40,200
Speaker 3: forties starts slow down fifties, and that's when your toxic

1349
01:07:40,280 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 3: load just keeps building and building and building, and then

1350
01:07:42,840 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 3: what happens. Shit, I've got chronic disease, I've got top

1351
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,360
Speaker 3: two diabetes, I've got this autoimmune disease. Where did it

1352
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,760
Speaker 3: come from? It's just accumulation of what we've done to

1353
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:56,439
Speaker 3: ourselves over a number of years. So I've gone deep

1354
01:07:56,440 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 3: into all like, so my household all natural products, and

1355
01:07:59,320 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 3: my whole house is filtered, and so I'm meticulous of

1356
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:04,160
Speaker 3: all this. But then I'm not.

1357
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,640
Speaker 1: I'm not like obsessed, obsessed.

1358
01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:11,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, everyone, anyone knows me. We're on

1359
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 3: the sponsorship. I'm having a thousand beesving. I'm enjoying. I'm

1360
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:18,040
Speaker 3: enjoying my time, right, But I know that my foundation

1361
01:08:18,240 --> 01:08:19,479
Speaker 3: is strong because I practiced this.

1362
01:08:19,560 --> 01:08:20,840
Speaker 1: And you keep coming back to your foundation.

1363
01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:22,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I always keep coming back with my

1364
01:08:22,680 --> 01:08:25,639
Speaker 3: four steps that I'm meticulous with at home, with my nutrition.

1365
01:08:26,160 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 3: Then all the trying to decrease all the crap that's

1366
01:08:31,400 --> 01:08:38,000
Speaker 3: around train, you know, eight hours sleep, hydrate, good quality water,

1367
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:43,559
Speaker 3: reverse filter at home, stop trying to drink out of plastics.

1368
01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:46,479
Speaker 3: Had to mate whose testosterone was really late. His estrogen

1369
01:08:46,600 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 3: was really high, right, this is from blood tests anyway.

1370
01:08:49,600 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 3: So he cut out he actually cut out beer, and

1371
01:08:54,120 --> 01:08:58,799
Speaker 3: he cut out drinking from plastic bottles and plastic food containers.

1372
01:08:58,880 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 3: Got rid of all that, and his testosterone went up,

1373
01:09:01,880 --> 01:09:04,919
Speaker 3: and his estro and went down just from the plastic

1374
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 3: use and cutting out some beer as well.

1375
01:09:08,200 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't talked about your family, and you

1376
01:09:10,160 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 2: have a wonderful family, and I don't think we'll talk

1377
01:09:12,560 --> 01:09:14,920
Speaker 2: about them today, but I could talk to you for hours,

1378
01:09:15,320 --> 01:09:19,640
Speaker 2: but within the interest everybody's time. What's Mini do now?

1379
01:09:19,800 --> 01:09:21,839
Speaker 2: Apart from you helping us, helping us with the roosters,

1380
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 2: and you know, we see you all the time down

1381
01:09:23,360 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 2: the grounds and you obviously, you know, always beautifully attired

1382
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 2: and you're a great representative, great representative of our club.

1383
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,439
Speaker 1: What does Mini do day to day?

1384
01:09:33,520 --> 01:09:33,640
Speaker 3: Then?

1385
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: In terms, and you said earlier on you do you

1386
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:38,479
Speaker 2: know ten to fifteen thousand steps today? What are you

1387
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 2: doing to get those ten to fifteen thousand steps up?

1388
01:09:40,600 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 2: With the kids in particular your kids are the kids?

1389
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, my business minifits So I just registered the name

1390
01:09:45,880 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: Mini Fit in twenty ten, because you know, obviously, throughout

1391
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,120
Speaker 3: injury period, I was like, shit, what if I don't

1392
01:09:52,160 --> 01:09:54,320
Speaker 3: come back. I don't want to go back to cabinet making.

1393
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 3: That wasn't really what I wanted to do. But I

1394
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:00,639
Speaker 3: love playing sport obviously and working with kids, and Rusters

1395
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:03,879
Speaker 3: used to do lots of holiday clinics, so I thought Minifield,

1396
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:05,880
Speaker 3: what a great name. I just registered that, and then

1397
01:10:06,040 --> 01:10:11,880
Speaker 3: in twenty twelve I sort of worked with a friend

1398
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:14,560
Speaker 3: who was in the p space in schools and she

1399
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:16,960
Speaker 3: helped me get One school was East Lakes Public School,

1400
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:18,360
Speaker 3: where I used to go in there once a week

1401
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:19,760
Speaker 3: and run a pea pregnant by I used to get

1402
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 3: someone else to run it for me as well because

1403
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:25,160
Speaker 3: I was still playing footy. But then when I retired

1404
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 3: in twenty and ten, I still work full time at

1405
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,240
Speaker 3: the Roosters, and I always say my transition was smooth,

1406
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 3: but it will still like a four year transition. I

1407
01:10:33,880 --> 01:10:37,760
Speaker 3: felt for me to run my own business and feel

1408
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:42,760
Speaker 3: comfortable doing that, so the transition was smooth, but I

1409
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,280
Speaker 3: was at full time at the Rusters and I had

1410
01:10:44,360 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 3: Minifit on the side, and I started running holiday clinics.

1411
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 1: For the club industries during the school holidays.

1412
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:54,680
Speaker 3: School holidays yep, so clubs like wwenty and Mountis and

1413
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 3: Rieesby Workers Club and all these big clubs that spend

1414
01:10:57,600 --> 01:11:00,920
Speaker 3: money on community. I will go in there run a

1415
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,720
Speaker 3: holiday clinic for them on their field. And that was

1416
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: really starting to take off. And then I sort of

1417
01:11:08,160 --> 01:11:11,760
Speaker 3: started to transition from the Roosters more into my own

1418
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 3: business to start to grow that because I always felt

1419
01:11:14,040 --> 01:11:16,720
Speaker 3: like I wanted to grow something of my own. And

1420
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:22,040
Speaker 3: then a few years after that, I had an email

1421
01:11:22,120 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 3: from a past teacher of mine year six. He was

1422
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 3: my year six teacher and footy coach and obviously he's

1423
01:11:28,160 --> 01:11:31,679
Speaker 3: a primary school teacher. He'd been working in Hong Kong

1424
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:34,519
Speaker 3: for eighteen years teaching and he was moving back to

1425
01:11:34,600 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: Australia and he said, I follow you love the Roosters

1426
01:11:37,640 --> 01:11:41,320
Speaker 3: and followed your career and see you've got minifit. Now

1427
01:11:41,439 --> 01:11:43,679
Speaker 3: are you thinking about going back into the school system.

1428
01:11:44,479 --> 01:11:47,880
Speaker 3: We should have a coffee And so I've got him

1429
01:11:48,120 --> 01:11:50,000
Speaker 3: on board now and he's one of my head pe

1430
01:11:50,160 --> 01:11:52,680
Speaker 3: teachers that writes the program to the syllabus, and we've

1431
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,080
Speaker 3: gone into the school program we found in the public

1432
01:11:55,120 --> 01:11:58,120
Speaker 3: school system they outsourced a lot of their physical activity

1433
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,640
Speaker 3: where they don't have PE to part it's anymore like

1434
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:04,360
Speaker 3: the private schools do. They just have PEA coordinators and

1435
01:12:04,520 --> 01:12:07,040
Speaker 3: not many teachers want to really teach PE anymore. And

1436
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:08,640
Speaker 3: in the syllabus, you've got to have a minimum of

1437
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,960
Speaker 3: one hundred and fifty minutes of physical activity per week

1438
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 3: for the kids really yep, each kid yep, yep. So

1439
01:12:14,600 --> 01:12:18,719
Speaker 3: that's like two PE class a PE class P doubles

1440
01:12:18,880 --> 01:12:20,599
Speaker 3: on Friday, and then there has to be something else

1441
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: in there. So a lot of the public schools they

1442
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:25,280
Speaker 3: outsourced to companies like ours, where we come in once

1443
01:12:25,280 --> 01:12:27,599
Speaker 3: a week and run a ten week program for them

1444
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 3: in a term. Yep. So we'll go there, say a

1445
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:34,240
Speaker 3: school on a Wednesday, and we'll go nine to three

1446
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:36,479
Speaker 3: and we roll two or three classes will come out

1447
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: and we roll out the whole school in that day.

1448
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 3: If it's a big school, we'll go there two days

1449
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,280
Speaker 3: a week. But my model is a PE teacher and

1450
01:12:45,400 --> 01:12:48,639
Speaker 3: athlete delivering a program. So the school loves that there

1451
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,880
Speaker 3: is a PE teacher credit the PE teacher running it,

1452
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 3: and then an athlete, which is the kids love. Is

1453
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,200
Speaker 3: a rooster actually, and I employ a lot of the

1454
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:04,760
Speaker 3: young roosters Sheridan here and it's the NROLW girls and

1455
01:13:06,120 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 3: every under twenty one plan needs to be working or

1456
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 3: studying otherwise and allowed to play in the NRL. So

1457
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:13,519
Speaker 3: there's an access of a lot of the kids that

1458
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:15,840
Speaker 3: want to work and have their working with children checks

1459
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:20,240
Speaker 3: and so I employed. Yeah yeah, yeah, so that's great.

1460
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:22,800
Speaker 3: So the kids love there's an athlete there, school loves it.

1461
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:26,800
Speaker 3: There's a PE teacher there, so that that's been sort

1462
01:13:26,840 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 3: of growing nicely. And then last year we last year

1463
01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 3: we went into the special needs school space. So my Rick,

1464
01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,320
Speaker 3: my head teacher, is special needs trained and we just

1465
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,840
Speaker 3: put on another PE teacher that worked in Hong Kong

1466
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:42,200
Speaker 3: with him, and an Australian guy who's special needs trained

1467
01:13:42,200 --> 01:13:44,880
Speaker 3: as well. So we started with one special needs school,

1468
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:48,519
Speaker 3: Lucas Gardens in the Inner West, which is moderitor severe

1469
01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 3: disabilities and now we're working with six this year already.

1470
01:13:51,560 --> 01:13:54,479
Speaker 3: So that's a real area of growth for Minifit this

1471
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:58,920
Speaker 3: year where we can. It's a much needed area that

1472
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:02,040
Speaker 3: needs more attention really because those teachers they're like angels.

1473
01:14:02,080 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 3: They're looking after these kids with disabilities every day and

1474
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:06,760
Speaker 3: they're trying to teach them, but then when it comes

1475
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:10,600
Speaker 3: to sport that they sort of find it hard to

1476
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,599
Speaker 3: have kids maybe in wheelchairs or non verbal or whatever

1477
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 3: it may be, what do we do with them?

1478
01:14:17,320 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: Right?

1479
01:14:17,640 --> 01:14:19,639
Speaker 3: So that's where we come in and run that ten

1480
01:14:19,680 --> 01:14:22,840
Speaker 3: week program for the disability kids, and that's been working awesome.

1481
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:24,280
Speaker 3: They're they're unreal.

1482
01:14:24,360 --> 01:14:25,960
Speaker 1: They'll be fairly fulfilling seeing that.

1483
01:14:26,080 --> 01:14:29,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll tell you it puts everything in perspective, that's

1484
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 3: for sure. If you think you're having a bad day,

1485
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:33,800
Speaker 3: going into the school and seeing these kids and the

1486
01:14:33,960 --> 01:14:36,760
Speaker 3: challenges that they face each each day's phenomenal.

1487
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:39,439
Speaker 2: I guess it's a really good opportunity for you to

1488
01:14:39,520 --> 01:14:43,240
Speaker 2: be grateful to for what you have osed to what

1489
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:43,760
Speaker 2: you don't have.

1490
01:14:44,400 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: And I can't go.

1491
01:14:45,560 --> 01:14:47,880
Speaker 2: I mean, we've talked about a lot of really serious topics,

1492
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 2: and you know you're going to get the Good Guy

1493
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,200
Speaker 2: Award for being Anthony Minoicello the good guy.

1494
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:56,080
Speaker 1: But you were at one stage voted I can't remember.

1495
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,880
Speaker 1: Now there's some of the sexiest.

1496
01:14:57,520 --> 01:14:57,800
Speaker 2: Man and.

1497
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:00,960
Speaker 3: What was I think I come forth?

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure about that. Do you remember this? It

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01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,080
Speaker 1: was the two thousand and two or three yeah.

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Speaker 3: Before that was Wingy, right, he won Clean of the

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01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,640
Speaker 3: Year and you know that's all the girls loved him

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01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:18,600
Speaker 3: after that. They still do. Yeah, but yeah, you know

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01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:21,240
Speaker 3: the Errol used to run the sixtiest Mining League thing. Yeah,

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01:15:21,400 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 3: I think I got thrown in there one.

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01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:25,320
Speaker 1: I think you won it, I think, And you're just

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01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:26,320
Speaker 1: for everybody in the room.

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01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 2: You had two nicknames, obviously Mini, but the other one

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01:15:30,200 --> 01:15:32,479
Speaker 2: was Count, and the players office often referred to as

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01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:33,920
Speaker 2: Camp when they were being interviewed and they were talking

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01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:35,840
Speaker 2: about if players were being interviewed during that during your

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01:15:35,840 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: playing period, they were to talk about Count, the Count,

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01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:38,840
Speaker 2: that's you.

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Speaker 1: What's what's the reference there?

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Speaker 3: So two thousand and one I made the City Origin

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01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 3: team when the City Country was around still and Brett

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01:15:48,120 --> 01:15:50,519
Speaker 3: Kenney was our coach, and here's the guy that named

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01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:54,800
Speaker 3: me the Count. Yeah, yeah, like Count. So he's out

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01:15:54,840 --> 01:15:57,960
Speaker 3: of street, yeah straight, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 1: So he was on his account, you look like the

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01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:00,599
Speaker 1: out of session.

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01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:00,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

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01:16:01,000 --> 01:16:03,439
Speaker 3: And then all the fans ran with that actually, and

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01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:09,479
Speaker 3: then later in the two thousands it went to the

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01:16:09,560 --> 01:16:12,080
Speaker 3: Mountain Cat, the Italian Mountain Cat, the min Cat, all

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01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 3: that type of stuff, because in back in the Monday

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01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 3: Sports section. There was there's a section where fans could

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01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:23,080
Speaker 3: write in little comments about anyone, players, whatever, and one

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01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,599
Speaker 3: guy wrote, Anthony Minichello reminds me of an Italian mountain cat.

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01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,960
Speaker 3: He always lands on his front anyway. Rico reads true. Though,

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01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,000
Speaker 3: Rico read this and went bang all the mountain cat,

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01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 3: and that was it. That's how it started.

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01:16:37,400 --> 01:16:39,320
Speaker 2: Maybe you've had a wonderful career, and everyone in this

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01:16:39,439 --> 01:16:41,720
Speaker 2: room would acknowledge that, obviously with a lot of ruster

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01:16:41,800 --> 01:16:43,439
Speaker 2: fans here the but you've had a wonderful crew just

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01:16:43,560 --> 01:16:47,520
Speaker 2: generally for both state, country, importantly.

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01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:52,920
Speaker 1: Our club and our local area. But you're also a great.

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01:16:54,320 --> 01:16:57,000
Speaker 2: In factor of prodigy of rugby league in that not

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01:16:57,160 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: just your own rugby league talent.

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01:16:58,600 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: But I'm not talking about just talent.

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01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:04,599
Speaker 2: I'm talking about the outcome of Anthony Milicello today, being

1541
01:17:04,600 --> 01:17:07,840
Speaker 2: able to get through adversity and come out the other

1542
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:11,559
Speaker 2: side probably much better than you were prior to yourself

1543
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:13,760
Speaker 2: going into adversity, and being able to be grateful and

1544
01:17:13,840 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: have a great family. I built a great career post

1545
01:17:16,680 --> 01:17:23,479
Speaker 2: rugby league and still maintain your fantastic and probably one

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01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,880
Speaker 2: of the most elevated reputations in roadby league. You never

1547
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: really get yourself in any trouble or at least that

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01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:28,920
Speaker 2: we know about.

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01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:30,400
Speaker 3: Well, there's no social media back then.

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01:17:30,680 --> 01:17:33,840
Speaker 1: Great, but you know, be in real terms.

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01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,800
Speaker 2: And we think, I think, and I'm sure I'm talking

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01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:39,400
Speaker 2: on behalf of everybody, hit on everybody who supports Rus's

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01:17:39,439 --> 01:17:42,880
Speaker 2: that we think you're just a wonderful example of what

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01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:44,840
Speaker 2: it means to be a Rooster.

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01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:47,599
Speaker 3: Thanks very much, mate, I appreciate it. Thanks Mane, thanks

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01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,920
Speaker 3: for having me. It's you know, RUS has been my

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01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,680
Speaker 3: whole life basically. You know, I grew up as as

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01:17:53,720 --> 01:17:56,519
Speaker 3: a youngster at the Roosters and they've certainly made me

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01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:59,599
Speaker 3: the man that I am today. And you know, obviously

1560
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,799
Speaker 3: through verity that's when you learn and evolve and adapt,

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01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: and that's through that mid part of my career, that's

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,760
Speaker 3: where I sort of started to educate myself a little

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01:18:08,760 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 3: bit more through those injuries and I had massive support

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01:18:11,360 --> 01:18:14,720
Speaker 3: obviously from my wife and my family, and it's been

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01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:17,360
Speaker 3: a wonderful ride. Mate. So I appreciate you having me today.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen,