1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,719 Speaker 1: This podcast was recorded on the land of the Gadigel 2 00:00:02,720 --> 00:00:09,479 Speaker 1: people of the Uran Nation. Hello, and welcome to the 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Real Story with Joe Hildebrand. We've got an absolute crackerjack 4 00:00:12,920 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: chocer block show for you. Woke is dead. It's official, yes, 5 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,799 Speaker 1: even while Dali has said so. And we're going to 6 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: do a deep dive into why that is so and 7 00:00:22,840 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: how that is so very shortly. Plus we're going to 8 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: speak to a guy who was the biggest anti COVID 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:35,680 Speaker 1: lockdown crusader in the country. This guy was at the 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: vanguard who was pilloried at the time. It turns out 11 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:43,520 Speaker 1: he was right. Plus, what is going on with Mark Zuckerberg? Well, 12 00:00:43,600 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: you asked, and I'm going to answer, And I have 13 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: the election date for you. Well, I have an election 14 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: date for you, a possible election date for you. Could 15 00:00:53,760 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: I be right? Remember where you heard it? So I'm excited. 16 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:05,680 Speaker 1: And when I'm excited, I know you're excited. I'm excited 17 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: because I've got it all figured out. Everything that is 18 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: going on in the world, everything that's wrong, everything that's right, 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:14,120 Speaker 1: all wrapped up in a nice little bow from you. 20 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 1: And to start with, we're going to go to what 21 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,600 Speaker 1: is probably the best news of twenty twenty five, and 22 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: that is woke is dead. Woke politics the biggest cancer 23 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: on society for both the left and the right, because 24 00:01:29,680 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: it gives the right plenty of fuel to destroy the left, 25 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:37,760 Speaker 1: and right now that side is winning, the left is 26 00:01:37,800 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: destroying itself. Well, woke politics is dead, but don't take 27 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 1: my word for it. While le E dl who for 28 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:48,640 Speaker 1: many is a leading figure, leading commentator of the progressive left, 29 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: he has declared it as well. He wrote a piece 30 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 1: for nine newspapers and he said, he said, this is 31 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: the midnight hour for woke politics. It is all over. 32 00:01:58,040 --> 00:01:59,600 Speaker 1: He's sort of hes, he's bets a bit instead of 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: talked to me a bit. But anyway, the headline writers 34 00:02:01,760 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: knew what they were doing, and they basically said woke 35 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 1: is dead. And when while ead La is saying woke 36 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 1: is dead, you can bet your asset's dead. And he's 37 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:11,880 Speaker 1: not the first, of course, for plenty of people, for 38 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:15,639 Speaker 1: plenty of conservatives, they've been saying for a fair bit 39 00:02:15,680 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: of time. But it wasn't really until Donald Trump's incredibly 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:25,640 Speaker 1: emphatic victory in the US presidential elections in November that 41 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: people realized just how much, how powerful how big and 42 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 1: how seemingly lasting the backlash to identity politics, to the 43 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: politics of progressive elites, if you like what they call 44 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,320 Speaker 1: in the state's East coast and West coast liberals. People 45 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: are just starting to realize just how deep and how 46 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: widespread that anger actually is. And again we saw a 47 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: record result for Donald Trum, a record result for Republicans 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 1: in the House of Representatives, a record result for Republicans 49 00:03:06,000 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: in the Senate, record result for Republicans in and Donald 50 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: Trump in the popular vote, and of course in all 51 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:16,920 Speaker 1: the gubernatorial races. I just like saying that word, but 52 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 1: he just cleaned up. He won everything. Trump and the 53 00:03:19,600 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: Republicans won pretty much everything. There is no way of 54 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: slicing and dicing this then as an absolute, complete and 55 00:03:26,160 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: utter repudiation of the Democrats under Joe Biden and then 56 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:36,600 Speaker 1: of course KRMLA Harris, and since then the evidence has 57 00:03:36,760 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: kept just growing and growing and growing. We've seen with 58 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: the wildfires in Los Angeles and the surrounds around California's 59 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 1: suddenly the West Coast celebrities who were usually all in 60 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: on liberal politics are turning on the liberal mayor and 61 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 1: the liberal governor of California and there's accusations that they 62 00:03:56,880 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: were too focused on these sort of bespoke environmental concerns, 63 00:04:01,040 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: including trying to save some little fish and giving the 64 00:04:04,080 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: fish more water and not having enough water for the 65 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: actual fire department to fight fires. Now, I don't know 66 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: how much truth is actually in that, or rather I 67 00:04:13,640 --> 00:04:15,600 Speaker 1: don't think there is a huge amount of truth in 68 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: a direct link between those two things. The point, though, 69 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,839 Speaker 1: is that suddenly, when problems come to people's doorsteps, suddenly 70 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 1: the tone of the conversation turns very very quickly. So suddenly, 71 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:33,880 Speaker 1: when you don't have the luxury of worrying about things 72 00:04:33,880 --> 00:04:37,799 Speaker 1: that are sort of abstract, like climate change in the future, 73 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: or integrity in government or saving democracy, Suddenly when it's 74 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,480 Speaker 1: actually a matter of life and death, or a matter 75 00:04:45,480 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: of having people on your doorstep or a natural disaster 76 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: on your doorstep, tends to kind of sharpen the mind, 77 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: and whoever's in charge, suddenly you don't have as much 78 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: tolerance for all these high minded ideals. Suddenly you don't 79 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: care as much about saving the fish if it's a 80 00:05:00,600 --> 00:05:04,919 Speaker 1: choice between an endagered fish and you're endangered mansion in 81 00:05:04,960 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 1: Pacific Palisades. So again we are seeing this turn, and 82 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,200 Speaker 1: not just in America, we are seeing in Australia. My 83 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: beloved albow is in the fight of his life. It 84 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 1: has to be said this upcoming election I'll have a 85 00:05:17,680 --> 00:05:19,720 Speaker 1: bit more to say about when that might be very shortly. 86 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:23,600 Speaker 1: But Peter Dutton, of course, the left in Australia assumed 87 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: was unelectable. Great, they said when he became leader, no 88 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: one will vote for that guy. He's just like Donald Trump. 89 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:34,479 Speaker 1: Right wrong. Donald Trump's got elected a landslide. Now the 90 00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,080 Speaker 1: dynamics in Australia obviously very different. But it turns out 91 00:05:38,080 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: that Peter Dutton is nowhere near as unpopular as everyone 92 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: on the left assumed he would be. In fact, by 93 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: most poles, he's about as popular as my beloved Anthony Albanezi. 94 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:50,840 Speaker 1: And I like Peter Dutto. He's a nice guy. If 95 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: any of these people on the left actually met him, 96 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 1: they might actually like him. And that is the problem 97 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: because they don't actually know these people, and they don't 98 00:06:00,680 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: know not Peter Dutton, but people who support him, people 99 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:06,479 Speaker 1: who his ideas resonate with people who think, you know what, 100 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: we do need better control of our borders, you know, 101 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: and we do need to get tough on crime. People 102 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:14,839 Speaker 1: who are the victims of crime having their houses broken into. 103 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,720 Speaker 1: I was scared to go to work because street crime 104 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: is so bad. And that's been reported in the regions 105 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 1: in Queensland and New South Wales, has been reported in Melbourne, CBD. 106 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,520 Speaker 1: And again, what has happened here is not that there 107 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: weren't people who were kind of skeptical about this sort 108 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: of shutting down of debate, But anyone who spoke up 109 00:06:37,040 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: against any of these things, and I did, and I 110 00:06:38,839 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: spoke up against, for example, the crazy COVID restrictions that 111 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: just simply did not make sense. Why were we shutting 112 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: down schools? You speak up against it, you speak up 113 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: about indigenous violence, and you get absolutely killed, You get smashed. 114 00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: You have people accusing you of being a racist, literally 115 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 1: racist saying and people doing shout outs, activist groups saying, Hey, 116 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: that guy who talked about violence and indigenous communities and 117 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:07,040 Speaker 1: we need to do something about it. He's a racist. 118 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: Hey everyone, So now I'm just telling me I'm a racist. 119 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: They're telling everybody else that I'm a racist. And you have, 120 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: of course, during the COVID lockdowns, anyone who questioned any 121 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: of his dictions. Oh, you weren't just a racist, you're 122 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 1: a murderer. You wanted to kill grandma. And this is 123 00:07:24,160 --> 00:07:27,400 Speaker 1: what's happened across the left. This is what's happened as 124 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: the left has become more and more dominated by upper 125 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: middle class, tertiary educated people who often run our governments, 126 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: our bureaucracies, are cultural institutions, universities. The left kind of 127 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: becomes the establishment, and suddenly whatever the latest progressive caused 128 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 1: a jury is becomes not part of the counterculture where 129 00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: people are out protesting on the streets. There's plenty of 130 00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: Ferohs doing that too, but it becomes the rule. It 131 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:01,840 Speaker 1: becomes what is and isn't allowed, perfectly literally, in the 132 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: case of the COVID restrictions, which we've seen in the 133 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: reports released since, there've just been two major inquiries, one 134 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: commissioned by a bunch of philanthropists when the government refused 135 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:13,920 Speaker 1: to do it, and then when the government did do 136 00:08:13,960 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: an inquiry, it came back with the same thing. It 137 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:20,480 Speaker 1: said that these restrictions were not justified, that they harmed 138 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,520 Speaker 1: public trust in government, and that people would not do 139 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: what governments did I told them to in the future. 140 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: There's a big problem because sometimes there is an actual emergency, 141 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: but like the Boy that cried wolf, because they are excessive, 142 00:08:31,840 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 1: they weren't based on reasonableness or based on evidence. People 143 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:40,400 Speaker 1: just won't cop it anymore because they've lost faith in 144 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 1: the integrity of those rules, have lost faith in the 145 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: integrity of facts. And again this is why now you 146 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 1: see the reaction to something like the government's Misinformation Bill. So, 147 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: you know, Albo said, oh, we've got to stop people 148 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: from you know, from you know, spreading dangerous misinformation online. 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,040 Speaker 1: Of course, everyone doesn't want dangerous misinformation going around, but 150 00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,240 Speaker 1: who decides what it is? And again it goes back 151 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,840 Speaker 1: to COVID. There's plenty of stuff that would have been 152 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 1: considered dangerous misinformation back then that now turns out, by 153 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,079 Speaker 1: the government's own findings of its own independent report, as 154 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,600 Speaker 1: well as the privately commissioned independent report headed up by 155 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:23,679 Speaker 1: the former head of the Department of Prime Minister and Cabinet, 156 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: turns out all that misinformation was actually true. Turns out 157 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:31,440 Speaker 1: it's all correct. Turns out we were on the right 158 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: side of history. And again, this is a concept that 159 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: progressives will often roll out. It is rooted in and 160 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like sort of crazy Sky 161 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: News After Dark commentator, but I am actually a sky 162 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 1: Is after Dart commentator, and they're not crazy. They're wonderful people. 163 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: But this is actually something that is rooted in Marxism. 164 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: It is rooted in the idea central to people, especially 165 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: on the far left, that there is some kind of utopia. 166 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: There is a perfect world in which everyone is equal, 167 00:09:59,600 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: has e called rights, and lives together in peace and harmony. 168 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,559 Speaker 1: And we are on a road to that utopia. That's 169 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: why they're called progressives, because you are progressive to a 170 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 1: foregone conclusion that utopia is there. The future is there, 171 00:10:14,600 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: we just have to get there. And that's what being 172 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: on the right side of history means. It means when 173 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:24,000 Speaker 1: we inevitably get to this place, the people who supported 174 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,959 Speaker 1: it from the get go, they will be on the 175 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: right side of history. Anyone who dared question it will 176 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: be on the wrong side of history. But again, that 177 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: only works if everyone agrees that this is inevitable, that 178 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,600 Speaker 1: everyone agrees that it is an inevitable fact that we 179 00:10:41,640 --> 00:10:43,760 Speaker 1: will get to that place, and that that is a 180 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: good thing that will work perfectly because we know how 181 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: it's going to go again. This is pretty much standard 182 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: sort of Marxist orthodoxy that all of history leads to 183 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: this conclusion. And the problem is that it's not inevitable. 184 00:10:56,720 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 1: It turns out it's wrong. It turns out that group 185 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: think was wrong. And that was what was so dangerous 186 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: in COVID. It wasn't the people questioning the group think. 187 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,359 Speaker 1: It was the group thinkers who were shutting down any questions, 188 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: shutting down any serious concerns, any actual, valid, evidence based 189 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 1: concerns that people raised with this orthodoxy, and it ended 190 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,960 Speaker 1: up being incredibly damaging. It was damaging to the community. 191 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,280 Speaker 1: It was damaging to people's lives. It was damaging to 192 00:11:27,320 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: the economy. The crisis we're going through is still a 193 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: result of this. But it was also damaging to themselves 194 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:42,319 Speaker 1: because Daniel Andrews's legacy is trash now. He looked so 195 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 1: strong at the time and made decisions knowing that he 196 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: was looking strong. They had the data to show this 197 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 1: makes him look like a strong leader. But because it 198 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 1: was part of group think, because it wasn't actually really 199 00:11:52,640 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: stress tested, it's actually torched his legacy. It has posthumously 200 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,040 Speaker 1: torched his reputation. At the point where the guy you 201 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: can't even get restaurant bookings now, apparently because of what 202 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: he did to the hospitality industry. And again you look 203 00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,120 Speaker 1: at Kamala Harris talking about all her crazy little you know, 204 00:12:09,280 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean, Karmla Harris is the embodiment of identity politics. 205 00:12:11,840 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: She is the Megan Markle of politics. And she bangs 206 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: on and on about joy and she bangs on and 207 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 1: on about equality and equity and a little cartoon doing 208 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: the difference, and she says all this ridiculous stuff, and 209 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,680 Speaker 1: it is bad, not just for the country, it is bad, 210 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: not just for all the people in America, who are 211 00:12:31,080 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 1: you know, tens of thousands of dollars a year worse off, 212 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 1: saying why aren't you actually just talking about how you're 213 00:12:35,679 --> 00:12:37,559 Speaker 1: going to make my life better, Find me a job, 214 00:12:38,240 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 1: get my people off fentanyl, get you know, legal immigrants 215 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,679 Speaker 1: out of the community who are undercutting wage rates or 216 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:50,040 Speaker 1: forcing up housing pressures. And see she's banging on, hanging 217 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 1: out with Oprah, all this silly stuff. And again she 218 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 1: is the ultimate DEI pick. Joe Biden said he was 219 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: going to get a black woman as his vice president 220 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 1: and then he got her. I mean, it sounds insanely 221 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: racist to me that you would choose this criteria. But 222 00:13:05,520 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: this is what happened, And it didn't just do appalling 223 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 1: things for the country. It didn't just do palling things 224 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:16,439 Speaker 1: for the people who needed a strong president with good qualities. 225 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: It did appalling things for the Democrats of Kamaha. She lost. 226 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:23,079 Speaker 1: She got absolutely creamed. People hate this stuff, They absolutely 227 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,000 Speaker 1: hate it, but they submitted to it for years and 228 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,920 Speaker 1: years because if they dared step out of line, they 229 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: would get absolutely smashed. They would be told that they 230 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:36,920 Speaker 1: were pariahs or racists or grammar killers. But then something happens. 231 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: You reach a critical mass and someone like Donald Trump 232 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 1: gets elected, or someone like Peter Dutton starts to go 233 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: up in the polls, and everyone sort of looks around saying, oh, 234 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: so I'm not alone. It's not just me. It is 235 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: okay to question these things, or to have some concerns about, 236 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: you know, whatever it might be. You know, biological men 237 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: competing in female sports. They seem to love that one. 238 00:13:58,640 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: And again, I don't know if I even have a 239 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,000 Speaker 1: problem with it, but I certainly have a problem with 240 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,280 Speaker 1: people being told they can't even talk about it without 241 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: being transphobic. And just the same way as you can't 242 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: talk about violence and indigenous communities. If you raise that 243 00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 1: as an issue, suddenly you're a racist. And again every time, 244 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 1: more ademing. You know, she had to be shut down 245 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: because she went against the orthodoxy. Turns out at cost 246 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: not her job but the liberal leader's job. And he's 247 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: no more, not because he didn't agree with her, but 248 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: because he didn't allow her to have her own opinion. Again, 249 00:14:33,320 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: group think kills people. It kills people, but mostly it 250 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: kills the people who try to impose it. Sooner or 251 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 1: later people say, actually no, And that's exactly what happened 252 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: with Donald Trump. It's what happened with the Voice, which 253 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: went from sixty forty in favor of a voice to 254 00:14:51,240 --> 00:14:55,640 Speaker 1: Parliament to sixty forty against once people started saying, well, 255 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: if you don't support it, you're a racist again. As 256 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: soon as you impose this group think on people, sooner 257 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 1: or later they will rise up, and hopefully they rise 258 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: up in a nice, peaceful, democratic way. But either way, 259 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: as soon as they realize that there are enough other 260 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: people around them who speak like them, who think like them, 261 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: then suddenly they'll speak up. They suddenly get that social license. 262 00:15:21,480 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: And I know from talking to people in the New 263 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:26,080 Speaker 1: South Wales Labor Party as well years ago, where it 264 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 1: was going in the wrong direction and people concerned that 265 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:32,800 Speaker 1: identity politics was overtaking. That I'd speak to all these people, 266 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:35,240 Speaker 1: they think, oh god, I was worried about that as well, 267 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: but I didn't realize. I thought I was the only one. 268 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 1: And then suddenly, of course, it turns out that everyone 269 00:15:41,400 --> 00:15:43,320 Speaker 1: had these concerns. And what did we get. We've got 270 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: the most handsome leader in the world, Premier Chris Mints, 271 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 1: a bastion of sensible centrist politics, but also someone who 272 00:15:52,360 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: could be compassionate on all these issues for people who 273 00:15:55,120 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 1: are marginalized because he had that strong sense of the mainstream. 274 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: And the mainstream is coming back now and woke is dead. 275 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:08,160 Speaker 1: Wali Dai. He said it himself and he was right. 276 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: Woke is dead. So I wanted to start off this 277 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: year with what I usually do, which is save the 278 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,320 Speaker 1: entire nation and indeed the world from itself. And I 279 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: couldn't think of a better guest to have on as 280 00:16:26,080 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 1: our first guest of the year, as someone who has 281 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,480 Speaker 1: sort of led the way in the fight against the 282 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:36,080 Speaker 1: kind of group think I've been railing against here's someone 283 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: who was at the forefront of questioning some of the 284 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:47,200 Speaker 1: more bizarre, anti economic, illogical, and arguably borderline illegal COVID 285 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 1: restrictions that have since been found to be exactly that. 286 00:16:50,920 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: The two major reviews that looked into the COVID lockdowns, 287 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 1: as we have established, found exactly that that people like 288 00:16:59,680 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: my guest and indeed, if I may say so, myself, 289 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: were right all along. None of it made any sense. 290 00:17:05,080 --> 00:17:08,639 Speaker 1: It was anti scientific, illogical, and it crushed both the 291 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 1: economy and people's lives. And so to set us on 292 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,359 Speaker 1: the right direction, to set Australia on the right path 293 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: for twenty twenty five, I thought I'd bring in this 294 00:17:18,880 --> 00:17:22,600 Speaker 1: freedom fighter who was at the vanguard of this battle, 295 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:30,240 Speaker 1: Jim Penman, the founder of Jim's Mowing anti COVID lockdown Crusader. 296 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: Welcome to the real story. It's lovely to have your company, 297 00:17:33,640 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 1: It good to be here, so talk us through. There 298 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: has been a lot of i think armchair quarterbacking about 299 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: that time and again people have had more than enough 300 00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 1: debate about COVID. It's the sea word that's even more 301 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: offensive than the other sea word for most people. But 302 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: one of the things I have found extremely frustrating is 303 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,280 Speaker 1: that these two landmark reports came out, one commissioned by 304 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,639 Speaker 1: a group of flag anthropists when it was clear that 305 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:03,919 Speaker 1: the government wasn't going to commission its own, and that 306 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: was headed by former head of the Department of Prime 307 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: Minister and Cabinet and now the vice chancellor of Western 308 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Sydney University. Then the government commissions its own, it says, look, 309 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: don't worry about reporting about the lockdowns, and the state responses. 310 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 1: It goes and does that anyway, and both find the 311 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,119 Speaker 1: exact same thing, which was that the lockdowns were excessive, 312 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:28,320 Speaker 1: that they were not merit based after the initial phase 313 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: where we did not know what we were dealing with, 314 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,159 Speaker 1: that schools should never have been shut down, and it 315 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,440 Speaker 1: caused all these sort of untold catastrophes. And you see 316 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: all these people saying, oh, well, yeah, but we didn't 317 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 1: know that at the time. Did we ah with this 318 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:41,480 Speaker 1: only now? But you did know it at the time, 319 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,960 Speaker 1: because people like you were saying it at the time, 320 00:18:44,040 --> 00:18:46,679 Speaker 1: people like me were saying it at the time, and 321 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: we were pointing to the evidence, pointing to the data, 322 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 1: pointed the illogicality of it all, and we were simply 323 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: being shut down and shamed by this kind of hive 324 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:01,919 Speaker 1: mind of outrage that seemed to mm andate troublingly, I think, 325 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:06,960 Speaker 1: from the left, and suddenly you know, the system was 326 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: just sort of crushing anyone who voiced any descent against 327 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: what was I think the ultimate case of groupthink. Just 328 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 1: take us back to that time and in your own words, 329 00:19:18,880 --> 00:19:22,360 Speaker 1: what made you decide that. I suppose that the main 330 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: thing was you run Jim's mowing, probably the most iconic 331 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: and famous handyman tradesman business in the country, and you 332 00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 1: were saying, well, look, this is an outdoor activity, we 333 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,679 Speaker 1: are doing home maintenance that seems to be within the rules. 334 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:40,679 Speaker 1: We're going to keep going. And then that sort of 335 00:19:40,720 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 1: just ignited a nuclear war, didn't it talk us through it? 336 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,680 Speaker 2: Well, it's even the most stupid than now. I wouldn't 337 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,959 Speaker 2: even say group thinker is. I think it's cynical political 338 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 2: thing really, which is ponsible with this story? Says in Victoria, 339 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: which is the worst effect of the state. We had 340 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,280 Speaker 2: the Department of Health and Human Services do. 341 00:20:00,280 --> 00:20:02,040 Speaker 3: A detailed report. 342 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: On the way to shut down the economy with the 343 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 2: minimum of damage. All Right, this was a carefully document. 344 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 2: It was about four pages long, and one of the 345 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 2: things right at the top it said that individual workers 346 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: working by themselves outdoors no threat to public health. Clearly, 347 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 2: So it went through construction, that went through retail, went 348 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: through everything. Was a really carefully considered document that came 349 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 2: out at the weekend. The Wednesday, Victorian Prema gets up 350 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 2: at a press confidence and says, okay, you can't have 351 00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:36,000 Speaker 2: your houses cleaned and your lawns mode. Now where did 352 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,840 Speaker 2: he get that from? As far as I can concern, 353 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,840 Speaker 2: I know it was simply an off the cuff comment, 354 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: thinking very significantly about his affluent, elite, inner suburban professional 355 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,959 Speaker 2: classes who might get someone to do it, not thinking 356 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 2: of one hundred thousand plus Victorians thrown out of work 357 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: for no reason. 358 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 3: And now once he. 359 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 2: Said that, he thought, politically speaking, it's a lot better 360 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:03,440 Speaker 2: for me to just bear down and change the law 361 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: rather than recognize that I made a mistake, I'll look 362 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 2: better for me politically. And the damage that he did 363 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 2: to some people, and the suffering and the hurt that 364 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,160 Speaker 2: I saw in my franchises and other people as a result, 365 00:21:15,240 --> 00:21:18,359 Speaker 2: it was just terrific. We went to court later to 366 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 2: challenge is that there's a law in Victoria that says 367 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 2: you cannot remove a person's livelihood without their. 368 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 3: Consent unless for good reason. 369 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 2: So he went to court and said, okay, we challenged 370 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 2: you on this, what was your reason for doing this? 371 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 2: What was your profound medical health advice? And you know 372 00:21:36,600 --> 00:21:39,440 Speaker 2: what the response was, We don't have to tell you. 373 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 2: In fact, we defy you. We will defy you. We 374 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 2: will not give you any evidence. Now, why on earth 375 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 2: there's a there's a sound scientific studies showing that there 376 00:21:51,480 --> 00:21:53,919 Speaker 2: was reason for doing this, why not present it? Of 377 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 2: course you present why he didn't have anything? There was 378 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 2: nothing at all. It was simply off the comment from 379 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: a cynical politician who's done terrible damage to state and 380 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:06,360 Speaker 2: every other way too. 381 00:22:06,720 --> 00:22:09,400 Speaker 1: And look, I completely agree with you about the Victorian experience, 382 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: and I know so many people that were broken by that. 383 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: The strange thing was, though, and again this is the 384 00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:17,719 Speaker 1: disturbing thing, is that it became so prevalent and that 385 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: its spread, indeed like the virus itself, to the point 386 00:22:22,280 --> 00:22:26,840 Speaker 1: where not only were governments issuing these edicts without any 387 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: scientific basis behind them, but people were being shamed. Anyone 388 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: who questioned this, anyone who said, well, this is not 389 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 1: evidence based, or that this is a logical or this 390 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: is inconsistent, or this just makes no sense. How is 391 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:43,720 Speaker 1: someone mowing the lawn on their own not probably the 392 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:47,840 Speaker 1: most COVID safe employee on the planet. But anyone who 393 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: actually questioned that as you did, as I did, got 394 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:57,879 Speaker 1: absolutely pilloried by especially by the activist left online. And 395 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 1: these are the same people who were saying, oh, well, 396 00:22:59,800 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 1: we do know at the time, and yet when they 397 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: were actually being told at the time, they were accusing 398 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: anyone who raised these concerns as you know, the usual stuff, 399 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: wanting to kill Grandma, et ceterat c. And this strikes 400 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 1: me as exactly the sort of problem that is resulting 401 00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: in the huge backlash against the sort of activist left class, 402 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: if you like people I like to call the sort 403 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: of new upper middle class left. And that is why 404 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: we're seeing Donald Trump rise again, that is why Peter 405 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,639 Speaker 1: Dutton is rising in the polls. That's why you're seeing 406 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:35,800 Speaker 1: tech giants who used to bang on about providing a 407 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: safe environment that would protect against misinformation and be supportive 408 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,880 Speaker 1: and everything, suddenly they're saying, no, no, we're all here 409 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: for the bro culture. We're going to have absolute free speech. 410 00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 1: And it seems to be a backlash against this culture, 411 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: this really ugly and nasty culture, but also this really 412 00:23:53,240 --> 00:23:55,760 Speaker 1: sort of chilling culture that said, no, we are going 413 00:23:55,800 --> 00:23:57,919 Speaker 1: to decide what the facts are, we are going to 414 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: decide what is acceptable speech. We are going to decide 415 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: what you should and shouldn't believe in, what you can 416 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,440 Speaker 1: and can't say. It just turns out that it's all wrong. 417 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 2: But look at it at the referendum, that was a 418 00:24:11,320 --> 00:24:15,480 Speaker 2: great event. You have the government and all the elites, 419 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 2: the educated elites, and the heads of the big companies 420 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: all putting massive amount of money to say, hey, euros training, 421 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:23,880 Speaker 2: you're a whole lot of ignorant racists. We know what's 422 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 2: best for you. Sixty percent of us said, no, you don't. 423 00:24:27,720 --> 00:24:30,879 Speaker 2: We refuse to treat people on the basis of race 424 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 2: and color. That is against everything we believe in. It 425 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:34,440 Speaker 2: we said no to it. 426 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: See this is where I find myself, as usual, in 427 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 1: just this really weird, difficult place where I was originally, 428 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,720 Speaker 1: You know, I was of the left. I supported the 429 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: Labor Party. I still support the Labor Party, much as 430 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: I kind of often lament about that some of the 431 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: directions it takes, and especially where people like Daniel Andrews 432 00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: took it during COVID, and so you see this happening, 433 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:57,800 Speaker 1: and I was I was a supporter of the Voice 434 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: and had had been for years as it was sort 435 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,240 Speaker 1: of being thrashed out, and then I saw what was 436 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,439 Speaker 1: happening in the lead up to the campaign, and then 437 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,320 Speaker 1: I saw these sort of accusations of people being racist 438 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 1: if they didn't support it, and it was amazing to 439 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 1: just see. It was almost it was like one of 440 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: those dreams where you see something happening and you scream 441 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: and nothing comes out. And I was talking to people. 442 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:23,480 Speaker 1: I was saying, we are absolutely blowing this, We are 443 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,359 Speaker 1: losing this, this has got completely and we turned. You 444 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: talked about that sixty forty result, That result was flipped. 445 00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,480 Speaker 1: That was the other way around at the beginning of 446 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: the campaign. So when the sort of people who were 447 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: put in charge of that campaign, and yes, I have 448 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: to agree, it was the typical sort of you know, 449 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:45,160 Speaker 1: again left activist academic elites for whom you know, anyone 450 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: who opposed the Voice, they probably thought it was a 451 00:25:47,520 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: racist because they'd never met anyone who opposed the Voice 452 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: or thought it was a bad idea or raised any 453 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,480 Speaker 1: concerns about it, because of course they all moved in 454 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,960 Speaker 1: the same circles and they all agreed with each each other. Again, 455 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 1: you have this sort of group think, and so they 456 00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,920 Speaker 1: go out and they aren't speaking about it. They start 457 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: talking about it as though this is something that anyone 458 00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: would naturally just want, and anyone who disagreed with is 459 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: a borrent beyond the pale, is bigoted. And again, had 460 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,480 Speaker 1: you even had groups like activist groups saying the way 461 00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:18,760 Speaker 1: to win this is to try to push people into 462 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: a position where if they oppose it, they are considered 463 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: racist and they'll get them on board. That was actually 464 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,840 Speaker 1: one of the tactics. That was one of the strategies. 465 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: And again it is just emblematic of the incredible dangers 466 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:33,280 Speaker 1: of groupthink, not just to society as a whole, but 467 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 1: to the people who try to implement it. So you 468 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:39,120 Speaker 1: have these people who blew up their own campaign, despite 469 00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 1: having every advantage in the world, and just destroyed it 470 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,600 Speaker 1: simply because they didn't brook any dissent. They didn't actually 471 00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:49,960 Speaker 1: acknowledge that people could oppose this and still be nice 472 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,400 Speaker 1: human beings, have a valid point of view by engaging 473 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:57,240 Speaker 1: in this hive mind mentality. They're not just hurting other people, 474 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: they're not just hurting society at large, They're actually hurting themselves. 475 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 1: It is an act of self harm as well as 476 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: everything else. I still see the frustration from someone of 477 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,200 Speaker 1: the center. This is the thing I see as someone 478 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:12,440 Speaker 1: who sees themselves as being of the sensible center and 479 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,520 Speaker 1: having a sense of what is right or wrong and 480 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,200 Speaker 1: what is a fair go for people, and the sort 481 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,679 Speaker 1: of people who really are vulnerable and struggling and battling 482 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,080 Speaker 1: that we should be supporting. And then seeing what everyone's 483 00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: getting outraged about, I just think, hang on, sorry, come again, 484 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: like we've got you know, we've got, you know, more 485 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,080 Speaker 1: than one hundred thousand homeless people in this country. And 486 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: people are jumping up and down screaming about you know, 487 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: pronouns or carrying on about you know, systemic racism in 488 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: the ABC. 489 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 2: But not onally that the homelessness is largely government policy. 490 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 2: The government says we're going to have policies which mean 491 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: that housing price is going to go astronomical rates are 492 00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 2: going to go astronomics. If you can get what you've 493 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:55,080 Speaker 2: got to pay a huge amount of money, you're going. 494 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 3: To mortgage your sort of for years. 495 00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 2: Why because they set zonings in place that makes it 496 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 2: possible to build where people want to live. They say, 497 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 2: you're in the leafy green suburbs. Be you can't have terrocets, 498 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 2: you can't have high rises near near railway stations. You 499 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,680 Speaker 2: cannot build anything, and you force the price of housing 500 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:13,479 Speaker 2: up and up and up. 501 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,120 Speaker 3: Young people can't afford to buy. 502 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,359 Speaker 2: Many people are in the streets where they can die 503 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: of exposure and all kinds of dessault and all the 504 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,240 Speaker 2: bad things happen homeless people. You look in America, people 505 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: say it's immigration. It's not immigration, it's zoning. Look in America. 506 00:28:28,040 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 2: San Francisco, the most greeny, lefty city in the whole 507 00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,199 Speaker 2: United States, has got the worst homeless problems, the worst 508 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: problems with drugs, the worst problems with unaffordable housing. Now 509 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:42,520 Speaker 2: you go to somewhere like Dallas or Minneapolis, those kind 510 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,440 Speaker 2: of countries with jogo cities, with more sensible policies, you 511 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:48,800 Speaker 2: have affordable housing, and people are moving away from these 512 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 2: elite bastions of the left. 513 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,440 Speaker 3: You know what's stupid. You have the place like. 514 00:28:52,440 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 2: San Francisco, you get the people who are so over 515 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 2: Greening's all we care about. 516 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 3: You buy it. We're so green, We're so good. 517 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 2: If you are a school teacher or a policeman, you 518 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,479 Speaker 2: have to drive two hours to get to work in 519 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: San Francisco, two hours. 520 00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 3: What do you think you're doing. 521 00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,880 Speaker 2: You're burning cub possible fuels all the way there about 522 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 2: These greenies are the worst threat to the environment there's 523 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 2: ever been. 524 00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: Well, after the fires that just happened in La even 525 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: the California, the leads are starting to turn on the livers. 526 00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,280 Speaker 1: But you'll be pleased to know that in New South 527 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,960 Speaker 1: Wales we have a labor right government led by Chris 528 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: Min's that is very very keen and ripping up all 529 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: those ridiculous, archaic NIMBI policies to build more housing so 530 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 1: it can be done from the Labor Party. Jim, have hope, 531 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:38,080 Speaker 1: Have hope, have courage. 532 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,760 Speaker 2: There are some wonderful people. I don't reckon Australia ever happened. 533 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,200 Speaker 2: A better Prime minister than Bob Horp Love Bob Hoork. 534 00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 2: Just the better bottomographone? 535 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 3: Is it? 536 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: There? You go? We just need a new one. 537 00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,120 Speaker 3: But you look Alberanze, You look at Alberanzi. 538 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 2: I mean, how can you in the same moral universe 539 00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: as someone like by Hark Horky was great who. 540 00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:57,080 Speaker 3: Is he was a great leader. 541 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm obviously I've got a soft spot for Albert Obviously 542 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: I know him and like him. But what he's doing. 543 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 1: The problem is that he has come from the left, 544 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: is now trying to occupy the center, and I think 545 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: genuinely wants to and genuinely intends to and genuinely is 546 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 1: trying to. But because he's got all this baggage, and 547 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,200 Speaker 1: because he's got sort of people around him, who are 548 00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: you know again going to these default positions like you know, 549 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: of course Israel's an either occupying force or of course 550 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: the voice is going to get up and everyone's going 551 00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: to vote for it because everyone I know is going 552 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:31,480 Speaker 1: to support it, And so it's a kind of baptism 553 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 1: of fire I think into where mainstream Australia really is. 554 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: So hopefully, hopefully he learns from it and comes out. 555 00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 3: I'm not I guess everything he's done. 556 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 2: I think one of the things I approve is that 557 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 2: he's setting up the limit for a superannuation at three 558 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,680 Speaker 2: million dollars. Now, let's face it, three dollars do you 559 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,560 Speaker 2: need for retirement. 560 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 3: Anything more than that's a text dodge. And I'll be 561 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 3: quite honest with you. 562 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 2: We have a superhiation, Polsy, not because I need it, 563 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,520 Speaker 2: because I'm obviously pretty rull off myself, but because it's 564 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:58,600 Speaker 2: a tax seduction. It's a text dodge. That's how you 565 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 2: do it for and it's legal do it, but it's 566 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 2: not necessary. I do not need to be to have 567 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 2: massive amount of superinnuation to survive my old age. 568 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: That's exactly right. There you go on. There, we've found 569 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: common ground. Jim, I love it. Jim Penman from Jim's 570 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,840 Speaker 1: Bowing endorses and Albert Ezy labor government policy. We've got 571 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,560 Speaker 1: at least one. But yes, that's absolutely true. And that 572 00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 1: is for the record, of course, the policy that they 573 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: put in that anything more than three million dollars in 574 00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:29,160 Speaker 1: you super account will not get any tax concessions. It'll 575 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: just be treated as normal income. 576 00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:30,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 577 00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,080 Speaker 2: I know the Australian was I love the Australian. They 578 00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 2: were gone afray, I thought, you idiots. I mean this 579 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: is just a tax DoD I don't mind. Actually, my 580 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,160 Speaker 2: daughter says, I'm quite lefty in some ways. I think 581 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: that actually having rollers be higher taxes and giving more 582 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: to people in need is a probably a pretty good policy. 583 00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 2: I just can't down the left green left garbage. I mean, 584 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 2: look at very well run country, very well countries, some 585 00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 2: of the happiest in the world. They have real heavy taxes, 586 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:57,920 Speaker 2: and I don't mind. I'm rich enough, I can't put 587 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,719 Speaker 2: the pay a bit more, but they look after well. 588 00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,760 Speaker 2: That's a good society, that's a good system. I don't 589 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,160 Speaker 2: like the level of inequality in this country. The problem 590 00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 2: is what you've got in this country is a war 591 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 2: between two leaks. There's the elite of wealth, people who've 592 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,000 Speaker 2: got money, and there's the elite of education. And then 593 00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,600 Speaker 2: there's the majority of people who are not elites, and 594 00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,960 Speaker 2: they are treated like dirt in so many different ways. 595 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: I think that is an excellent point and a perfect 596 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: place on which to end it. Jim Penman, founder of 597 00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,680 Speaker 1: Jim's Boeing and anti COVID Crusader, thank you so much 598 00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: for joining us on the real story. 599 00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 3: Good to be here, Joey. 600 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:38,400 Speaker 1: And now we're going to kick off twenty twenty five 601 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:41,040 Speaker 1: with a little bit of question time, and Ellie has 602 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: written in with this question. Ellie's a great friend of 603 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:47,200 Speaker 1: the show. By the way, Hi, Ellie, and she says, 604 00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: why are we hearing so much from Mark Zuckerberg. He 605 00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,200 Speaker 1: used to be a quiet figure, but now he's doing 606 00:32:51,280 --> 00:32:55,400 Speaker 1: interviews with Joe Rogan making some pretty crazy statements. Why 607 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: is he doing that? And is he good or evil? Well, Ellie, 608 00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: that is a great question. Firstly, to answer the second 609 00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:05,960 Speaker 1: part first, he's evil. Secondly to answer the rest. The 610 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: reason is kind of what I've been talking about, because 611 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,080 Speaker 1: there has been this sort of orthodoxy of group think 612 00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: that sort of said, right, all right, social media companies, 613 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,280 Speaker 1: there's misinformation everywhere. We've got to you know, they've got 614 00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: to control this. They've got to have a duty of care. 615 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: And there's a lot of this stuff I actually agree with, 616 00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,160 Speaker 1: but they've got to have a duty of care to 617 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 1: their people. You know, they can't just be spreading all 618 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 1: this terrible stuff. And Elon Musk basically just broke ranks 619 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:29,880 Speaker 1: and said, ah, you know, I screw it, I'm not 620 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 1: a Democrat anymore. On with Donald Trump or you know, 621 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:36,719 Speaker 1: quote unquote liberals are actually just proto fascists who are 622 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: trying to censor free speech. And I can't have that 623 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: because I'm all for freedom and blah blah blah blah blah, 624 00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 1: good on you, Elon, fantastic whatever. And suddenly Mark Zuckerber 625 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 1: had seen Elon mustter that and said, well, if that's 626 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,360 Speaker 1: the way everyone's going, then I'm with him. I'm going 627 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,400 Speaker 1: to jump on the right. And so he is now 628 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,880 Speaker 1: rolling back Facebook's fact checking systems, so the fact checking 629 00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: thing won't be there, because again it's all good, but 630 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: sometimes we don't know what the actual facts are, and 631 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: what people say is misinformation at the time turns out 632 00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:09,960 Speaker 1: to be true. And again this all harks back to 633 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: the sort of stuff we were told or not told 634 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,839 Speaker 1: during COVID. And of course he just wants to make 635 00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,520 Speaker 1: money as well. So if he thinks this is where 636 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,919 Speaker 1: most Americans are going, where the values that most people have, 637 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: what they want to see or read on their social 638 00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 1: media feeds, and how they think they should be curated, 639 00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,319 Speaker 1: well he's just going to follow the money. And it's 640 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,600 Speaker 1: the same with you know, he goes on Joe Rogan 641 00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: and he's getting with the bros and everything. Now, I 642 00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:38,759 Speaker 1: think a bit of that, like Elon, has to do 643 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:40,640 Speaker 1: with the fact that, like me, they were massive nerds 644 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: where they were young and now they've grown up and 645 00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,319 Speaker 1: they get to hang out with all these alpha males. 646 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,319 Speaker 1: They're like, yeah, that can be cool finally, But it's 647 00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: also just following the money. Joe Rogan is the zeitgeist. 648 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,680 Speaker 1: He is where it's at now, Donald Trump, Elon Musk, 649 00:34:54,960 --> 00:35:00,920 Speaker 1: he is going to go where the action is. And 650 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,399 Speaker 1: so suddenly all these rules we were told we had 651 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: to have, all this sort of orthodoxy that you know, 652 00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:08,680 Speaker 1: corporations with their triple bottle lines would say we have 653 00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:11,560 Speaker 1: to adhere to. Someone just suddenly liked the guy in 654 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: the Life of Brian says I'm not, and everyone goes, yeah, 655 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,480 Speaker 1: actually I'm not either. Screw that. So that's kind of 656 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: what's going on with Mark Zuckerberg. He's been freed, and 657 00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:26,879 Speaker 1: yes he is I think probably evil or just doesn't care. 658 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,279 Speaker 1: He just doesn't care about anyone but Facebook, and he's 659 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:38,640 Speaker 1: billions of dollars. And just before we go, I promise 660 00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,719 Speaker 1: you I'd give you a little tidbit about when the 661 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: election might be, and it might be sooner than you think. 662 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,280 Speaker 1: A little birdie who's worked on many many campaigns before 663 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: and has very close ties to the Labor Party and 664 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,080 Speaker 1: has worked for a few prime Ministers has said that 665 00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,000 Speaker 1: he reckons March twenty two could be the day, and 666 00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,399 Speaker 1: the magic of that is that it would be way 667 00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,640 Speaker 1: before May, which is way too late. You avoid all 668 00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:07,480 Speaker 1: things like school holidays and stuff in April, so you 669 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:10,520 Speaker 1: beat all that and you could call it at the 670 00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,400 Speaker 1: end of this month. You could call it just after 671 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:17,480 Speaker 1: Australia Day, which of course the PM wholeheartedly supports, as 672 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,360 Speaker 1: do the vast majority of Australians. It would mean that 673 00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,279 Speaker 1: you wouldn't have to go back to Parliament. Feb four 674 00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 1: is when parliament resumed, so if you call it before then, 675 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: you don't have to go back to Parliament, run the gauntlet, 676 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,560 Speaker 1: face your questions times. You know you can spend that 677 00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:34,439 Speaker 1: time out on the road campaigning instead. It would also 678 00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: get you out of the budget. You could push back 679 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,399 Speaker 1: the budget which Jim Charmers is going to hand down, 680 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: which we know would have to have a deficit, so 681 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be good news. So you flick aside the budget, 682 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: you flick aside the Parliament and you stroll up to 683 00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: March twenty two election day. And the best thing of 684 00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: all is that RBA is meeting in the second week 685 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: of Feb and there is an increased chance that they 686 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: might actually cut interest rates. So basically, a week or 687 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 1: two after you call the campaign, the RBA cuts interest rates. 688 00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: That is a pretty good look for an incumbent government 689 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: which is arguing that things are going to get better. 690 00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: So that's one little tip that's come to me. If 691 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:18,040 Speaker 1: it's true, remember you heard it here first. If it's not, 692 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,239 Speaker 1: I'm just passing on what I'm told. And that is 693 00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 1: all we have time for this week. Thank you so 694 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:25,240 Speaker 1: much for your company. It is so good to be back. 695 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,959 Speaker 1: If you've got any questions, If you've got anything you'd 696 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:30,799 Speaker 1: like us to dive into, just email us at the 697 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: Real Story at Nova Podcasts dot com dot au, or 698 00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,719 Speaker 1: you can follow me on Instagram at Joe Underscore Hildebrand 699 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,240 Speaker 1: and slide into my dms. You can also, of course 700 00:37:40,680 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 1: catch my columns every Monday and Saturday in the various 701 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: news cort mast Heads. And you can also rate this 702 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:54,600 Speaker 1: podcast a five star rating. You can do it. I 703 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,160 Speaker 1: know you can. I believe in you. I could leave 704 00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,640 Speaker 1: us a little review say how great we are? Well am, 705 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,919 Speaker 1: it's the Royal way. It's been an absolute joy. Can't 706 00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: wait to see you next week. M HM